Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Because he doesn't understand it. Maybe he should ask for an explanation instead of assuming he's found some wiggle room for whatever god he's believing in. Maybe Hawking shouldn't assume prior knowledge before writing about such abstract things. Maybe if I had the book to hand I could work ou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth Cousin Found

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
That's another problem with radio waves, there are better ways to do it that the aliens might have thought of too. Highly focused lasers would be good too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If there are any advanced civilizations out there, maybe they're using another method of c

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Transcendentalism,

2014-04-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Good Friday signifies the day on which Jesus was crucified and laid in the tomb. It symbolizes the process of transformation followed by resurrection. One can see it as a time for Being in the Unified Field transcendent and enter into a higher state of consciousness as we release what no longer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "steve.sundur@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And a little o

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
Hey Curtis, everything going pretty well on this end. Had softball practice tonight for our company team. We got trounced last week. Some comments below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Steve, how you been brother? Comments below --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Yes, the Raja part of TM is such a small circle in TM and of the larger TM community but people do wonder if they are going to keep doing it. When you talk to meditators in the community there is a general disheartenment that those guys wear that stuff representing the movement and the meditatin

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
Thanks for your comment Sal. I think many of us just like to ponder the issue, when we have some free time to think. And it remains open issue, at least for me. It is a shame when some try to polarize it, instead of bandying it about and maybe gaining some insight. That takes plac

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Barry, I did believe in God. Then did not, although always held out hope that there was God. Then doubted the TM concept of Being, or my take on it. The slightly more abstract concept works better for me. But when I give up even Being or some

Re: [FairfieldLife] Crimean Deal to 'de-escalate' agreed to in Geneva

2014-04-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Well actually Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam [MAR], CEO and Teacher of all of TM commented the other evening that as much as we go in to consciousness we bring it out and that as humans we should be active, caring and present in life and civic affairs as well being meditators. This was in response to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
Michael, you once offered your services to help me get over my TBerness. I now make the same offer to you. Lesson One: Maharishi was never a God, and is not God. He did not possess supernatural powers and never claimed to have them. Now, I realize that this may be hard for your to accept.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on losers?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And *this* gets me to thinking about whether Maharishi always pitched TM to losers and people with problems and low self esteem because they become the best disciples. And *disciples* is what he was looking for. Or is it possible that for whatev

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.

2014-04-18 Thread Michael Jackson
But its not that Ann, its not regular Joes living their lives - that's the whole point - the TMO leaders are selling TM based on the lie that TM makes you superhuman! They used to say so explicitly, now they are a LITTLE more subdued about it, but not much. And in so doing they are hurting a lot

[FairfieldLife] Excellent, a must-see, enjoy!

2014-04-18 Thread Dick Mays
A really great 6-minute conversation in a restaurant between Howard Stern and Jerry Seinfeld Discussing Transcendental Meditation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLn1ZgGxos

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.

2014-04-18 Thread Michael Jackson
Spoken like the puffed up with TM specialness fool you are. If you had ever served on staff at MIU you would have heard Big Bopper Bevan speak many times to the staff on the total importance of the dedicated staff in serving Marshy and the Movement and bringing the world to enlightenment. We wer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-18 Thread Michael Jackson
that's interesting that some would have the reaction. I mean, didn't they know the rajas wore such outfits? On Fri, 4/18/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield! To: Fair

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Michael Jackson
well I was saying mainly as a joke, but if you think about it, there is something to ponder in it - those who really believe in the Marshy Effect DO have utter faith it works, and the evidence is that it does not. You yourself Rick have given specific examples of vastu veda homes and businesses

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Mother India -- "Take your poo to the loo"

2014-04-18 Thread emptybill
Great refutation of Chan Master Sheng-Yen and his teaching about Mo-Chao. "I'm practicing lighten-mint - can't you see? I'm the very eh-pee-tomee of it." Yep ... the practice is the end-all of it all. Why it's just sittin' on my ass looking oh-so-lightened. Ca..., Can..., Can't you all see my aur

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sat 19-Apr-14 00:15:07 UTC

2014-04-18 Thread FFL PostCount
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 04/12/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 04/19/14 00:00:00 838 messages as of (UTC) 04/18/14 23:38:02 113 Richard J. Williams 91 authfriend 85 nablusoss1008 58 salyavin808 58 Share Long 57 TurquoiseBee 57 Michael Jackson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reposted just because it seems folks need a reminder

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 8:26 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: If you disagree, produce either of these supposed beings. Or the other one, for that matter. :-) > We don't have to produce the Tooth Fairy or Santa Clause - all we have to do is send in the clowns - you'd believe in anything if it was up on stage and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth Cousin Found

2014-04-18 Thread jr_esq
If there are any advanced civilizations out there, maybe they're using another method of communication other than by using radio waves, which are limited by the speed of light. They could be using the principle of quantum entanglement to communicate which would be instantaneous. I'm not sure i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 9:02 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > You must not be from the Deep South - in SC, if you mention atheism, > the fundies start sharpin' their pitchforks. > Better not let your neighbors see you practicing the Chinese communist Kung Fu in your back yard! --- This email is free from viru

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 10:03 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > There are a lot of folks who have faith that the Marshy Effect is real > when in fact it is not. The same group has faith that vastu ved is > gonna straighten their lives out when in fact it does not. Some few > individuals have faith that crop cir

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 4/18/2014 10:21 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Sorry, Curtis, I get it that you were looking forward to a big fight, but you aren't going to get it from me. I've had more than enough of your dishonest debating tactics

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 10:21 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: *Sorry, Curtis, I get it that you were looking forward to a big fight, but you aren't going to get it from me. I've had more than enough of your dishonest debating tactics.* * * *Cops refer to other cops they know to be corrupt as "dirty." Y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Not sorted, sorry. You claimed Hawking couldn't have written what Feser quoted him as saying because it was "appallingly inaccurate," but in fact Hawking did write it, twice. So why was Feser wrong to have called him on it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ignore for the momen

Re: [FairfieldLife] "The End" must be nigh

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 11:59 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > Wow, all this chatter about God, Theism, etc yawn. > All this chatter without even having seen Transcendence. Go figure. > The end must be nigh. Oh wait, never mind, this is the Funny Farm > Lounge. :-D > It was kind of funny watching Judy pull thes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For Judy: So I post my reasons for objecting to Feser's absurd position on classical theism being the strongest version of the god idea that atheists need to address, a statement you yourself have parroted giving no reasons... you attack me pers

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 1:43 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: > But keep on with the whacking stick for all of us Richard. It seems to > suit you. > You don't seem to be interested in music anymore. What's with all the metaphysics? Why is Judy so easily able to suck you down the rabbit hole? I guess

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
See below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As an example, if there is a God, and He/She/It has a PLAN for all of this, how is it that all these atheists aren't part of it? Were they created by someone/something else? What exactly

Re: [FairfieldLife] What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Bhairitu
It got an 18% on the tomatometer. I have friends visiting who might like to see it but they also TV and movie phobic and I'm afraid if they didn't like it at the theater they would want to leave before it finished. Yup, it's right up the street. Sounds like a "renter" to me. On 04/18/2014 1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Ignore for the moment the incoherence of the notion of self-causation (which we explored recently here http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2010/12/dreaded-causa-sui.html and here http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2010/12/causal-loops-infinite-regresses-and.html). Put to one side the question of w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As an example, if there is a God, and He/She/It has a PLAN for all of this, how is it that all these atheists aren't part of it? Were they created by someone/something else? What exactly is this "else?" And this is saying nothing about stuff like pl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
So I still don't know what Feser said that you thought was wrong... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's deja vu all over again! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : BTW, the review of the book I cited for Salyavin quotes a different paragraph containing the same se

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth Cousin Found

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is another exoplanet that could host living beings, even humanoids. But so far, SETI has not been able to trace any signs of communications data from the planet. Even if we could send a greeting by radio, TV or digital transmission, it w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
An exhibition of how Curtis twists what one says: j: Curtis is indeed "very sharp," and anyone who tangles with him is in for a hassle because he knows how to twist an argument into ingenious corkscrews. As I've pointed out before, one won't be able to see what he does until one has tangled w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on losers?

2014-04-18 Thread LEnglish5
Yes, the money people donate goes to: 1) the overhead for keeping the doors of the DLF open. 2) the TM teachers 3) the Maharishi Foundation according to the Maharishi Foundation 990 form from 2012, https://bulk.resource.org/irs.gov/eo/2014_01_EO/04-3196447_990_201212.pdf https://bulk.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth Cousin Found

2014-04-18 Thread jr_esq
Don't tell Bill Clinton this secret. Or even Hillary.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
It's deja vu all over again! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : BTW, the review of the book I cited for Salyavin quotes a different paragraph containing the same sentence: “[Just] as Darwin and Wallace explained how the apparently miraculous design of living forms could appear

Re: [FairfieldLife] Atheists are terrorists!

2014-04-18 Thread Bhairitu
Saudis ought to go back to herding goats. That's more their speed. :-D On 04/18/2014 11:35 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Saudi Arabia declares all atheists are terrorists in new law to crack down on political dissidents Saudi Arabia has introduced a series of new laws which define atheists as

Re: [FairfieldLife] What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread TurquoiseBee
It's not out here yet, and not available as eyepatch-wear either. From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   Where's your review of "Tran

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
BTW, the review of the book I cited for Salyavin quotes a different paragraph containing the same sentence: “[Just] as Darwin and Wallace explained how the apparently miraculous design of living forms could appear without intervention by a supreme being, the multiverse concept can explain the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "The End" must be nigh

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Well, it keeps us off the streets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know, it's just funny to watch these OCD trends on FFL. Who gives a shit whether "God" exists or not or over some intellectuals masturbation? It's not going to change anything. Enjoy life while you have it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
It appears they are using "nothing" to mean something different from the philosophical nothing of ex nihilo, in which quantum fluctuations and/or gravity would not be nothing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That is an incomplete quote Judy: 'Because gravity shapes space and t

Re: [FairfieldLife] What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Bhairitu
Where's your review of "Transcendence"? :-D On 04/18/2014 02:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Sometimes I look at the way that believers react to the word "atheist" -- spitting it out as if it were an epithet -- and find it a curious reaction. I mean, with the exception of a vocal few who make their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "The End" must be nigh

2014-04-18 Thread Bhairitu
I know, it's just funny to watch these OCD trends on FFL. Who gives a shit whether "God" exists or not or over some intellectuals masturbation? It's not going to change anything. Enjoy life while you have it. Now to ask or resident eyepatch guy where his review of "Transcendence" is. Of co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
It appears to be a quote from the book, Salyavin. I kind of doubt Feser would just make it up. Hmm, here's another review by a philospher that quotes the same sentence: http://www.firstthings.com/article/2010/12/philosophy-lives http://www.firstthings.com/article/2010/12/philosophy-lives

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread anartaxius
That is an incomplete quote Judy: 'Because gravity shapes space and time, it allows space-time to be locally stable but globally unstable. On the scale of the entire universe, the positive energy of the mater can be balanced by the negative gravitational energy, and so there is no restriction

[FairfieldLife] Re: "The End" must be nigh

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Sorry man, are we going on a bit? It ought to be over before the predicted end of the universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, all this chatter about God, Theism, etc yawn. The end must be nigh. Oh wait, never mind, this is the Funny Farm Lounge. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists are terrorists!

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Hmm, the link didn't work http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists are terrorists!

2014-04-18 Thread jr_esq
In this particular case, the royal family wants to keep their power in the country by political and religious means. As such, they can keep all of the money from the oil revenues. This is the disadvantage of a monarchy, especially when the people become educated and want more freedom in though

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Thanks for that. Some good ones there, Don't Fear The Roofer is classic. Didn't know he did a Star Trek though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Is this it? As I showed in my review of their book The Grand Design http://nrd.nationalreview.com/?q=MjAxMDExMjk= for National Review, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow are no more philosophically competent than Siegel is. Indeed, one of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Standard Curtis context-shifting. He can't respond to my point, so he shifts the context and claims it's a "straw man" (even though he had insisted on precisely what I addressed). C: No it is either your misread or my imprecision of language. But r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
All very funny Richard. I've noticed that you have really been rocking the house this last year. Sorry I can't help you on the Barry campaign.We just don't roll like that with each other. We seem satisfied to state our opinions, and then drop it. As I said I don't have any unresolved issues ab

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If classical theism is wrong, the universe is no different, of course. Is that what you really meant to ask? Um, that's what I did ask. But it's nice to hear that there isn't anything to worry about cosmologically. For a trillionth of a nano

[FairfieldLife] Atheists are terrorists!

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
Saudi Arabia declares all atheists are terrorists in new law to crack down on political dissidents Saudi Arabia has introduced a series of new laws which define atheists as terrorists, according to a report from Human Rights Watch. In a string of royal decrees and an overarching new piece of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 10:56 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: As I am a ember of the class of 'anyone', I want you to respond to each point Curtis made below. Try not to make character assassination and 'honesty' the main point. I think Curtis is the sharpest thinker that has appeared on FFL since I have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 12:24 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: > It is all intellectual smoke and mirrors. > Judy did a masterful job of sucking you guys down a theistic rabbit hole. I can't recall a time when she was in better form. It was just awesome! The question is why would you guys be so sugges

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Standard Curtis context-shifting. He can't respond to my point, so he shifts the context and claims it's a "straw man" (even though he had insisted on precisely what I addressed). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For the record, Fe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth Cousin Found

2014-04-18 Thread TurquoiseBee
If it's Earth's cousin, be sure not to tell anyone from Arkansas, or they'll want Earth to marry it.  :-) From: "jr_...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Earth Cousin Found   This i

[FairfieldLife] Earth Cousin Found

2014-04-18 Thread jr_esq
This is another exoplanet that could host living beings, even humanoids. But so far, SETI has not been able to trace any signs of communications data from the planet. Even if we could send a greeting by radio, TV or digital transmission, it would take 490 years to get there. So, we won't hear

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 12:23 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I don't think that the concept of human birth-death-rebirth requires any more "organizing power" than the concept of annual plants blooming, dying after producing seed, and then blooming again. There is no need to supply a Woo Woo explanation for what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 11:38 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: And yes, I don't think an atheist wants to go there, because it opens the door to the notion that there is some sort of organizing power at work. What do you think? > Apparently Barry is not a true atheist, otherwise he wouldn't believe in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Is this it? As I showed in my review of their book The Grand Design http://nrd.nationalreview.com/?q=MjAxMDExMjk= for National Review, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow are no more philosophically competent than Siegel is. Indeed, one of their errors is the same as Siegel’s: They tell us

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
-In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For the record, Feser's "position on classical theism" is not significantly different from that of the other philosophers of religion and thelogians who espouse classical theism. To single his out as absurd is, well, absurd. C: I already said his s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And a little of mine. I'm an atheist for purely pragmatic, Occ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
For the record, Feser's "position on classical theism" is not significantly different from that of the other philosophers of religion and thelogians who espouse classical theism. To single his out as absurd is, well, absurd. Yes, you had a short ride this time. Sorry about that. As I said, I'v

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
If classical theism is wrong, the universe is no different, of course. Is that what you really meant to ask? Here's a question for you: Try assuming that this classical god theory is wrong and whatever it is that it does - or did - stops, or never started. In what way is the universe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
For Judy: So I post my reasons for objecting to Feser's absurd position on classical theism being the strongest version of the god idea that atheists need to address, a statement you yourself have parroted giving no reasons... you attack me personally and I ask you to stick to the topic as usual

[FairfieldLife] "The End" must be nigh

2014-04-18 Thread Bhairitu
Wow, all this chatter about God, Theism, etc yawn. The end must be nigh. Oh wait, never mind, this is the Funny Farm Lounge. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And a little of mine. I'm an atheist for purely pragmatic, Occam's Razor reasons. "No need to postulate a God to explain existence" is a simpler and more efficient explanation of the universe than "A God was/is required for it to exist." A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I can't find the Hawking post on Feser's blog. Do you perhaps have a link? He did publish a review of Hawking's book on National Review Online; could that be where you saw it? It was apparently for subscribers only. Are you a subscriber to NRO?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?   His books are full of little puns too, which is a nice touch considering the effort it takes him to do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM teachers cannot get Shankara's teachings

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 3:37 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: FWIW, I seem to recall having seen tattvamasi (that's how it's spelled in DN, that is, without any spaces between the individual words)read as 'tattvam asi' , something like '(you) are the truth'. Be it as it may, the personal pronoun (tvam) i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread salyavin808
His books are full of little puns too, which is a nice touch considering the effort it takes him to do anything! I believe he is also the person with the most guest appearances on the Simpsons. I looked on youtube for a link but no deal, dang copyright. Where's the harm? ---In Fairfiel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why does TM seem to focus on losers?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 3:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." > That's funny -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread anartaxius
This is an aside regarding Hawking. I was watching the sitcom 'The Big Bang Theory' on Blu-ray last night, and in it the main character Dr Sheldon Cooper is desperately trying to get a meeting with Stephen Hawking to discuss his paper. He finally gets his meeting and the performer for Stephen Ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Afterwords, out in the Dome entry area and on the sidewalks to the parking areas as the meeting closed and people left: a big WTF reaction was, that they actually came wearing the gold foil hats and robes and stuff. I can't say that Alex's brother or some of those others following after Mahara

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread nablusoss1008
Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an ARTIST, then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-18 Thread nablusoss1008
Vero Beach probably has it's advantages too, price is one. A 3 bedroom flat in Nice could set you back 1,3 mill $ http://www.prestigeproperty.co.uk/property/168606/Apartment-Nice-France/ http://www.prestigeproperty.co.uk/property/168606/Apartment-Nice-France/ generally more than double that of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on losers?

2014-04-18 Thread Share Long
Lawson and Judy, good points. turq, to whom was Maharishi *marketing* TM when he went on the Merv Giffin Show? TV watchers?! And in your opinion would those folks be in an *at risk* group? Or a privileged, wealthy group? Or a mental problem group? All of the above?! I remember that a couple wee

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi University of Management Wins National Ethics Case Study Award | Virtual-Strategy Magazine

2014-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2014/04/18/maharishi-university-management-w ins-national-ethics-case-study-award

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.

2014-04-18 Thread nablusoss1008
"For the record, you didn't attend classes at MIU - apparently you were on staff in the kitchen, so you didn't get "booted from MIU" - you got booted from your job as a waiter in the cafeteria. Who cares if was Willie the Sandman? The important thing is they got you out of there before you

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread nablusoss1008
Merely thinking about Him/Her and praying to a God you have never seen is a waste of time. If a meditation doesn't land you at His/Her doorstep, if there is no communication with speech, touch and visions in broad daylight you are doing an inferior/too slow, effectless woo-woo meditation based

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sorry, Curtis, I get it that you were looking forward to a big fight, but you aren't going to get it from me. I've had more than enough of your dishonest debating tactics. Cops refer to other cops they know to be corrupt as "dirty." You're di

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread nablusoss1008
Curtis, yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an ARTIST, then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig claiming it is ART :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sorry, Curtis, I get it that you were looking forward to a big fight, but

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Share Long
wayback, it's good to have you back (-: You too Curtis but I have not yet read your main post. 104 emails this morning! Oy! On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:58 AM, "waybacki...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Barry, I did believe in God.  Then did not, although always held out hope that there was God. Then

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 10:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? there must be limitations to the pra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-18 Thread Share Long
Nablusoss, here in the states some FFers hie off in winter to a place in Florida called Vero Beach. Probably not as nice as Nice (-: Anyway, yes the meeting was good, though it went a little too late for my preference. imo Dr. Nader embodies a loving heart and brilliant mind and down to earth pr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread Michael Jackson
there must be limitations to the practical function of faith in the real world. There are a lot of folks who have faith that the Marshy Effect is real when in fact it is not. The same group has faith that vastu ved is gonna straighten their lives out when in fact it does not. Some few individual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Sorry, Curtis, I get it that you were looking forward to a big fight, but you aren't going to get it from me. I've had more than enough of your dishonest debating tactics. Cops refer to other cops they know to be corrupt as "dirty." You're dirty, Curtis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
I can't find the Hawking post on Feser's blog. Do you perhaps have a link? He did publish a review of Hawking's book on National Review Online; could that be where you saw it? It was apparently for subscribers only. Are you a subscriber to NRO? Hawking's contention that philosophy is dead is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to buy NOK?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 3:27 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: > Strong buy! NYSE > > http://www.zacks.com/stock/quote/NOK > > 7.34 USD... > So, I guess you'll be retiring in a year or two. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM teachers cannot get Shankara's teachings

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 3:00 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't worry - you needn't be. > As a TM teacher you should be worried. Shankara is just a re-statement of Mahayana Buddhism with the added element of illusion or "maya" thrown in to confuse people like you. Go figure. Excerpt from Mahayana Sut

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why TM teachers cannot get Shankara's teachings

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
What our resident sage has just posted is a re-statement of the Mahayana Buddhism. However, he failed to mention that the notion of "maya", a Shankara invention, is NOT what underpins a TM teachers understanding about meditation and reality. In fact, most of the TM teachers that I know never me

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
No, he was not asked about that so did not get to that. Uptown that readily gets asked by meditators but it was not asked last night for him to comment on. Nobody spoke about that. That as a larger community question Is still unresolved, as in not spoken to. -Buck mjackson74 asks:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread wgm4u
Perhaps Barry is waiting for someone to prove it FOR him!? Unfortunately Barry will be waiting a long time if that's the case, as God can only be proved to oneself since it is a subjective experience. I can't prove it for him, he can only prove it for himself. God is an *experience* that transce

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reposted just because it seems folks need a reminder

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Er, Barry, this was one of the fallacies listed on your chart. Oopsie again. But it IS absurd, and *exactly* like believing in either Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. If you disagree, produce either of these supposed beings. Or the other one, for that matter. :-) From: "authfriend@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
But it's perfectly OK for atheists to try to get theists to believe what the atheists do? As I've said, people are free to believe whatever they bloody well choose to believe that helps them get through the day. As I've also said, however, they cross a line when they attempt to get me to bel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 1:53 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Just imagine how Judy and Robin would get their buttons pushed if we intentionally misspelled another supposed "authority" they love to throw around, > So, it's all about Judy. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast!

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