When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one
must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness,
faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind
wanders away from it. Thus, mindfulness means not only, moment to
moment awareness
On 5/30/2014 11:31 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Mindfulness is just a form of continuous mental recollection of the
field of subjective experience – whether sensations or mentations,
whether body, senses or mind.
Of course, that's what TMers do every time they mediate:
On 5/30/2014 11:31 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
The rest is just bullshit, bullshit, swaha.
As a meditation technique, /mindfulness/ is similar to /TM practice/ and
/Soto Zen/ - that is, a direct introduction to the natural state of mind
where all thoughts and perceptions
I don't do any of that stuff - point being that once consciousness becomes
infinite, the goal of 'mindfulness' is accomplished, anyway. Even better,
because carrying the consciousness of Infinity, is, by definition, unlimited,
any situation can be recalled in perfect detail, if additional
Good practical spiritual discussion in this whole thread. It [ mindful Being]
in gradient could also be called, 'spiritual discernment' that can be turned on
or cultivated sort of like a faculty. Being mindful, as in Being in it. A sort
of a vector of Apprehending or Discernment as something
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
I don't do any of that stuff - point being that once consciousness becomes
infinite, the goal of 'mindfulness' is accomplished, anyway. Even better,
because carrying the consciousness of Infinity, is, by definition,
On 5/29/2014 9:28 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
As you say, the end result is fullness of mind, anyway, even when it
is empty.
This sounds like a Zen koan - /a mind full of thoughts but empty of
thoughts at the same time?/ That might cause a lot of strain in
When walking, just walk. When eating, just eat. When sleeping, just sleep.
When sitting just sit.
Richard, I think this is the result of rather than the cause of being
established in Being. I could be wrong.
On Friday, May 30, 2014 9:01 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com
Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All
that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all
the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on them?! Just
let attention go where it goes naturally, to a field of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All
that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all
the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on
On 5/30/2014 9:19 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
When walking, just walk. When eating, just eat. When sleeping, just
sleep. When sitting just sit.
Richard, I think this is the result of rather than the cause of being
established in Being. I could be wrong.
Yeah, Mindfulness as a formal practice tries to simulate the infinite nature of
the mind, as it is naturally experienced during enlightenment. Kinda like
faking an orgasm, to try and get the sense of a real one.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In
On 5/30/2014 8:05 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Here are a few key components of practicing mindfulness that
Kabat-Zinn and others identify:
* Pay close attention to your breathing, especially when you’re
feeling intense emotions.
* Notice—really notice—what
Ann, I get a daily newsletter called dailygood.org. Probably that's what you're
referring to...
On Friday, May 30, 2014 10:20 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, thanks
Mindfulness is just a form of continuous mental recollection of the field of
subjective experience – whether sensations or mentations, whether body, senses
or mind. It can be quite exhausting as you suggest and probably is exhausting
for many beginners. As a method for repeated refocusing of
emptybill, re your first paragraph: imo continuous mental recollection is NOT
witnessing because recollection suggests that the object of awareness has
occurred in the past. Witnessing is ongoing.
I equate consciousness with awareness and agree with Maharishi that attention
is a beam of such.
My dictionary, Share, gives the first meanings of recollection as
tranquility of mind and religious contemplation. Those are older,
specifically spiritual uses of the term that don't refer to remembering what is
past. I would assume that's how emptybill is using it with regard to
imo continuous mental recollection is NOT witnessing because recollection
suggests that the object of awareness has occurred in the past. Witnessing is
ongoing.
Apples and oranges, Share - witnessing, the initial sense of an expanded self,
beyond obvious boundaries, witnesses everything -
You're absolutely right, auth. It can be thought of as re-collection, which
gets the sense over well.
This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say about it:
Recollection, as understood in respect to the spiritual life, means attention
to the presence of God
I had a friend with whom I had lunch recently talk about the value of Ravi
Shankar's breathing exercises, i.e., the merging of the inward and outward
breath. He spoke so highly of it, that it almost made me want to consider it.
But that horse has sort of left the barn for me, so I don't think
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I get a daily newsletter called dailygood.org. Probably that's what
you're referring to...
Yes, I realized that after I had written that. But I think you like good and
you like a daily dose of it so that is fine!
As I said before, some scholars claim that mindfulness as a practice is
quite a recent innovation in Buddhist circles and some older Buddhist
traditions think it is counterproductive:
2. Outside of zazen practice, in our daily life when we walk, talk, eat, sit,
lay down or work,
Mindfulness is just another door to the same room.
On 05/28/2014 09:37 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I was thinking about those here, that I know of - Barry, Barry2, and
Anne - who have closely studied with a guru, or spiritual teacher, and
how the concept, the
On 5/28/2014 11:37 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I was thinking about those here, that I know of - Barry, Barry2, and
Anne - who have closely studied with a guru, or spiritual teacher, and
how the concept, the practice of mindfulness, makes a lot of sense, in
that
Mindfullness is getting quite popular but it's probably just a fad. I've met
two who tried it, both claimed they only got a headache from it and no
peacefulness.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 5/28/2014 11:37 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@...
] Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or
not?
Mindfullness is getting quite popular but it's probably just a fad. I've met
two who tried it, both claimed they only got a headache from it and no
peacefulness.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 5/28/2014 11
, 2014 6:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let
'er rip, or not?
Mindfullness is getting quite popular but it's probably just a fad.
I've met two who tried it, both claimed they only got a headache from
it and no peacefulness.
---In FairfieldLife
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or
not?
Point of order, Michael. The puja isn't made up. It is a collection of
different traditional shuddhis including parts of the guru puja. Probably
On 5/29/2014 6:14 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Point of order, Michael. The puja isn't made up. It is a collection
of different traditional shuddhis including parts of the guru puja.
Probably the only original part is that playing homage to Brahmananda
.
*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let
'er rip
On 5/29/2014 7:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
OK then, cobbled together from his own culture experience rather than
being given him by Guru Dev - which so far as I know Marshy never said
Guru Dev gave him the puja, but a whole lot of TM'ers believe he did
On 5/29/2014 8:06 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
It's not uncommon to compose pujas by putting the different shuddhis
together. Also one might learn how to do a short version too just
including the essential parts. And yup, westerners didn't understand
this and
I agree that it has that potential, though I personally prefer the brute
strength efficiency , of TM - unless under a trusted teacher's supervision, as
mentioned below. As you say, the end result is fullness of mind, anyway, even
when it is empty.
Thanks for your tidbits on puja
oops - should read: BTW, I am a total fan of the MMY Puja - Exquisite.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
I agree that it has that potential, though I personally prefer the brute
strength efficiency , of TM - unless under a trusted teacher's supervision, as
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
oops - should read: BTW, I am a total fan of the MMY Puja - Exquisite.
Me too.
And BTW, I have nothing interesting to say about mindfulness. I could talk
about a personal relationship with a teacher but it doesn't
I was thinking about those here, that I know of - Barry, Barry2, and Anne - who
have closely studied with a guru, or spiritual teacher, and how the concept,
the practice of mindfulness, makes a lot of sense, in that context.
As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a
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