[FairfieldLife] RE: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-03 Thread dhamiltony2k5
This was sent by e-mail to me by a FFL lurker. Jim was someone I knew even from High school. Was in one of my brother's grades then. A bunch of us were and still are Iowa meditators from back then together. Just wondering, where else did groups go to meditate in coherence campaigning

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread Share Long
thank you, merudanda, but for someone like me with pre glaucoma, it's better to avoid any asanas that feature the legs above the head. Something about increased pressure on optic nerve. On Friday, January 31, 2014 5:04 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:   ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: thank you, merudanda, but for someone like me with pre glaucoma, it's better to avoid any asanas that feature the legs above the head. Something about increased pressure on optic nerve. Aren't all of us without the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread Share Long
Ann, it's a matter or gradation rather than either or. Meaning that pre glaucoma is designated by a certain level of pressure on optic nerve and above that is full blown glaucoma. On Saturday, February 1, 2014 8:52 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:   ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread Share Long
noozguru, I read once that 1 ounce of alcohol kills 10,000 brain cells. Forever! I figure I need all the ones I have left! On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:57 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:   A lot of people drink occasionally for social reasons.  It loosens the tongue and in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread Share Long
shocking shocking merudanda the little rope of hemp has only dreams of morphing into eel electric! On Friday, January 31, 2014 5:27 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:   shockingshocking shocking ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: being blue

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, it's a matter or gradation rather than either or. Meaning that pre glaucoma is designated by a certain level of pressure on optic nerve and above that is full blown glaucoma. Then let's hope you stay in the pre state

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: noozguru, I read once that 1 ounce of alcohol kills 10,000 brain cells. Forever! I figure I need all the ones I have left! That is a myth. On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:57 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: A lot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-02-01 Thread Bhairitu
I don't know about it being a myth but because alcohol thins the blood it might actually improve blood flow to the brain. Probably another reason why some red wine daily is not a bad idea unless you're too kapha for it. I'm not much into drinking probably because it was not a mystery to me

[FairfieldLife] RE: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread salyavin808
A great many courses were started and the usual huge claims were made and universities were supposed to be studying them but the results never published. I did a few myself actually but I knew enough to know that leaving results that don't suit your purpose on the shelf is very bad science.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Why not just be happy that you've got a nice little technique that makes you feel happy and relaxed, why does it have to be the most ultimate thing of any kind ever? In one phrase, because Maharishi's idea of enlightenment was always my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread salyavin808
Perhaps but maybe having such a mythos also helps keep people together in one place where they can reinforce each others beliefs. If everyone is spread out it gets hard to keep reality at bay. I remember moving into an academy and it was a rapid and steep lesson in the TM language and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Perhaps but maybe having such a mythos also helps keep people together in one place where they can reinforce each others beliefs. If everyone is spread out it gets hard to keep reality at bay. I remember moving into an academy and it was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Jason
--- salyavin808 wrote: Perhaps but maybe having such a mythos also helps keep people together in one place where they can reinforce each others beliefs. If everyone is spread out it gets hard to keep reality at bay. I remember moving into an academy and it was a rapid and steep lesson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread anartaxius
One phrase in movement jargon is 'self-sufficiency'. I find it interesting that when it comes to 'self-sufficincy' on the movement's spiritual path, it is a bad word. It means you are on your own. It doesn't mean ego, but it does mean that eventually you have to give up the herd, herd

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Share Long
Xeno, according to Maharishi, self sufficiency is a quality of the unified field. As such, I don't think it's a bad word in the TMO. Quite the opposite. In practical terms, I've noticed over the decades that some of the most self sufficient people in the TMO are those who are what I call on the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/31/2014 5:25 AM, Jason wrote: Lie no 1), This is the highest path, purest path, the supreme path, the most sublime path, and also the easiest and effortless path. Is there a better way? Lie no 2), The eastern version of the 'hell fire and brimstone' scare. What will happen to you if

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: One phrase in movement jargon is 'self-sufficiency'. I find it interesting that when it comes to 'self-sufficiency' on the movement's spiritual path, it is a bad word. It means you are on your own. It doesn't mean ego, but it does mean that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Xeno, according to Maharishi, self sufficiency is a quality of the unified field. As such, I don't think it's a bad word in the TMO. Quite the opposite. In practical terms, I've noticed over the decades that some of the most self

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/31/2014 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */Especially if you've created a myth -- pretty much since Day One -- of the terrible things that will happen to you if you ever leave the herd. Think about the phrases Off The Program and off the path and losing one's way that we heard so often./*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/31/2014 3:44 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Probably something about it in Cults 101, which doesn't mean it was done deliberately to brainwash the newbies According to most scientists, brain washing has been largely discredited as a technique for enforcing conformity. If brainwashing worked we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/31/2014 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */ In one phrase, because Maharishi's idea of enlightenment was always my enlightenment. /* Well, I don't recall MMY ever saying anything about his own enlightenment, or lack of it. You seem to be on a strange program these days - making up stuff all

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/31/2014 2:02 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Why not just be happy that you've got a nice little technique that makes you feel happy and relaxed, why does it have to be the most ultimate thing of any kind ever? The most ultimate thing would be to create a lasting world peace. If there was a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread authfriend
I don't think this is necessarily an infallible test. Parading around examples of purportedly enlightened students is not without some potentially negative consequences, for the students in question and for the as-yet-unenlightened students, and this has to be weighed against the presumed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Why not just be happy that you've got a nice little technique that makes you feel happy and relaxed, why does it have to be the most ultimate thing of any kind ever?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Share Long
That's ok, turq, I don't take it personally. On Friday, January 31, 2014 7:29 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Xeno, according to Maharishi, self sufficiency is a quality of the unified field. As such, I don't think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: That's ok, turq, I don't take it personally. Good. It's just the concept I'm objecting to. I mean, who could possibly equate being completely dependent on the TMO and no other source for all of one's spiritual teachings and techniques --

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Share Long
turq, I once heard Maharishi say that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From my own experience, I'd say this is right on target. Different people have different ways of dealing with fear, especially the fear of death. Go figure (-: On Friday, January 31, 2014 9:44 AM, TurquoiseB

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread anartaxius
And, were I to become an alcholic, and not use any other whiskey than Jack Daniels, would that make me the most self-sufficient drunk among drunks?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: And, were I to become an alcoholic, and not use any other whiskey than Jack Daniels, would that make me the most self-sufficient drunk among drunks? To be truly self-sufficient as a whiskey drinker TM-style, you'd have to be drinking only Macallan

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Share Long
Xeno, only if the drinking of Jack Daniels allowed you to transcend this very activity. TM transcends its own activity and thus allows one to become self sufficient. On Friday, January 31, 2014 10:57 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:   And, were I to become an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/31/2014 7:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */Could you show me a few of your students who have achieved this enlightenment you speak of, *as a result of following your teachings*? /* Well, it's settled then - the TurqB never achieved any enlightenment from any of his teachers in forty-six years

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread anartaxius
People drink to transcend self, to get away from the image of themselves. So in that sense, that activity is the same as transcending in TM. The small self is transcended when you pass out, the activity of drinking ceases. If an automobile comes to rest and stops moving, does that make it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: People drink to transcend self, to get away from the image of themselves. So in that sense, that activity is the same as transcending in TM. The small self is transcended when you pass out, the activity of drinking ceases. I would say instead,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Share Long
Xeno, though it has been over 40 years, I have been drunk. In fact, I would say for about 1 month, I was addicted to alcohol. I was newly separated from my husband of 6 years. I was 26 and living alone for the first time in my life. I never passed out. I think I got sick only once. Plus I had

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread anartaxius
Good! When you pass out drunk, you transcend self, but not consciously. Drug effects can give great, or not so great experience, but do not as a rule result in any sense of advancement. As for the meditation transcendence, that is a metaphor, one of the more effective carrot-on-the-sticks

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Bhairitu
A lot of people drink occasionally for social reasons. It loosens the tongue and in general can make folks a little more pleasant to be around (not counting those whose over indulgence turns them in to belligerent and often violent ass holes). However MADD did a good job of getting rid of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread authfriend
Getting rid of the drinking social scene?? Are you dreaming? A lot of people drink occasionally for social reasons. It loosens the tongue and in general can make folks a little more pleasant to be around (not counting those whose over indulgence turns them in to belligerent and often

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread anartaxius
Oh, I enjoy your humour. I have shown examples of your writing to someone who is very into TM and they thought you were a good writer. But if the subject matter you selected for a particular post encroached on the sanctity of belief, they would shun it. From my perspective creativity and craft

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Getting rid of the drinking social scene?? Are you dreaming? Maybe he's drunk. A lot of people drink occasionally for social reasons. It loosens the tongue and in general can make folks a little more pleasant to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread merudanda
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: .. over 40 years, I have been drunk..was addicted to alcohol. I.. I never passed out..have been lassoed. Over and over again. Though Siddhartha fled from the self a thousand times, stayed in nothingness, stayed in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread merudanda
shockingshocking shocking ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: being blue shocking blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAsrOCj6a5k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAsrOCj6a5k ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: .. over 40

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Bhairitu
Remember I used to play night clubs for a living and certainly that movement or what came of it reduced the traffic in the clubs. I didn't mean to say it got rid of it entirely. Or maybe things are wilder in NJ? What time do the bars open or do they ever close? On 01/31/2014 02:08 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Om ha ha ha. .. considering you guys as source about these things spiritual. --- salyavin808 wrote: Perhaps but maybe having such a mythos also helps keep people together in one place where they can reinforce each others beliefs. If everyone is spread out it gets hard to keep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread steve.sundur
That's a rather interesting approach. But it would not be my style. And I have visited a few other teachers, but have been content to just listen and then make a determination. And then, either leave, or come back for another session. Turns out I never latched on to another teacher other

[FairfieldLife] RE: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Ecuador too. Somebody contacted me today about having gone to Ecuador with a team testing the extended Global Maharishi Effect. Anybody go on a project team to Africa?What other countries or places? Anywhere else? [If you are shy about posting to the list, To reply, push reply and then

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread Share Long
Happy Year of the Wood, Green Horse, merudanda... On Friday, January 31, 2014 5:04 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: .. over 40 years, I have been drunk..was addicted to alcohol. I.. I never passed out..have

[FairfieldLife] RE: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: .. over 40 years, I have been drunk..was addicted to alcohol. I.. I never passed out..have been lassoed. Over and over again. Though Siddhartha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deploying Meditators for Peace

2014-01-31 Thread dhamiltony2k5
The interests of both the individual and society are unified in the Transcendental Meditation programme. In one stroke of action the individual takes care of himself and society -that single operation is to take deep rest through transcendental Meditation. Through that most simple and