--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Linda Greenhouse is one of the journalists at the NY Times who covers
the Supreme Court. My civil procedure professor recommended that I
read everything that she writes; she has a very clear and deep insight
into the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I'd love to know more about Judge Adams. Do you know
his first name, by any chance? I can't find it in the
document.
FWIW, looked him up on the Web, found a transcript
of an oral history interview he did for Penn
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
wrote:
Linda Greenhouse is one of the journalists at the NY Times who covers
the Supreme Court. My civil procedure professor
I wonder if he was ever initiated? With that type of background and
leanings, and after studying the case and hearing arguments, the idea
of learning to meditate might have been pretty tempting.
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@
wrote:
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
Sentencing Program developed ny Farrokh. It's an option made
available, and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@
wrote:
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder if he was ever initiated? With that type of background and
leanings, and after studying the case and hearing arguments, the
idea of learning to meditate might have been pretty tempting.
Dunno, it's not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
wrote:
Linda Greenhouse is one of the journalists at the
While he's often right on, I think Jody (Guruphiliac) missed
the boat on this one. While the lawyer in question may be
Christian, what he's saying in his lawsuit is *correct*:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere*
to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of
--- TurquoiseB wrote:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere*
to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of
meditation or spiritual practice for *any* reason. Period.
I don't believe compulsion enters in; I believe the parolee
decides whether to participate in the
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
Sentencing Program developed ny Farrokh. It's an option made
available, and accepted by the *choice* of the participant after they
learn what the program entails. They take *responsibility* for their
*choice* and their own lives.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- TurquoiseB wrote:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere*
to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of
meditation or spiritual practice for *any* reason. Period.
I don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
jpgillam@ wrote:
--- TurquoiseB wrote:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere*
to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While he's often right on, I think Jody (Guruphiliac) missed
the boat on this one. While the lawyer in question may be
Christian, what he's saying in his lawsuit is *correct*:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote:
On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises
questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an
alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim madras(sp)?
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote:
On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises
questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an
alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim madras(sp)? Or as an
apprentice in the Moonies' programs? Or attendance at a 12 part tantra
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- TurquoiseB wrote:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere*
to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of
meditation or spiritual practice for *any* reason. Period.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
wrote:
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote:
On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises
questions: can other judges offer prayer
--- Marek Reavis wrote:
There are lots of orders and conditions given in any grant of
probation and they frequently involve participation in quasi-
religious programs like AA or even church conducted programs with
very heavy Christian components (Teen Challenge, Rescue Mission,
etc.). So
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
**SNIP**
To me, the Enlightened Sentencing Program isn't justified
because other programs are religiously slanted, but because
the ESP's been demonstrated effective regardless of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/112006e.asp
Jody (Guruphiliac) comments quite rightly:
That bulwark of spiritual ignorance impeding progress and cultural
evolution, the American Family Association, is going
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While he's often right on, I think Jody (Guruphiliac) missed
the boat on this one. While the lawyer in question may be
Christian, what he's saying in his lawsuit is *correct*:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
Sentencing Program developed ny Farrokh. It's an option made
available, and accepted by the *choice* of the participant after
they
learn what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
Sentencing Program developed ny Farrokh. It's an option made
available, and accepted by the *choice* of the participant after
they
learn what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote:
On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises
questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an
alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
jpgillam@
wrote:
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote:
On the surface -- it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/112006e.asp
Jody (Guruphiliac) comments quite rightly:
That bulwark of spiritual ignorance impeding
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@
wrote:
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
Sentencing Program developed ny Farrokh. It's an option made
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@
wrote:
Correction!
No one is *compelled* to participate in The Enlightened
One of my tantric guru's disciples was a juvenile officer and had him
come in and teach some juvenile offenders meditation. It was very
helpful and the kids enjoyed it. He had them write short papers on
meditation and I read some of them. It seemed to mean a lot to these
kids. One touching
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
jpgillam@ wrote:
--- TurquoiseB wrote:
it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge
On Apr 12, 2006, at 4:02 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
Unless the court rejects the thinking by the Malnak court (certainly
always a possibility in American jurisprudence), the court will find
that TM amounts to establishment of religion,
And where they'd get a crazy idea like that is beyond me.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Apr 12, 2006, at 4:02 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
Unless the court rejects the thinking by the Malnak court
(certainly
always a possibility in American jurisprudence), the court will
find
that TM amounts to
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Brigante wrote:] Not exactly a surprise, in fact I was wondering
why there had not
been a challenge earlier, given the Malnak ruling years ago
(1979 --
Bunches of reasons: 1) it works; 2) the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
wrote:
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote:
On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises
questions: can other judges offer prayer and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
wrote:
On Apr 12, 2006, at 4:02 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
Unless the court rejects the thinking by the Malnak court
(certainly
always a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
I'm sorry, but ANY MUM study is suspect due to this exectations
pehenomenon. It doesn't mean David OJ, Skip A, Arick A, or Fred T.. or
whoever are evil or ill-intentioned, but they live and work and
breath in a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The ruling in Malnak v. Yogi (592 F.2d 197 (1977)) was from the
Third District Federal Court and consequently only binding
precedent in the Third District, and only *persuasive* authority
(but not binding) in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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I'm sorry, but ANY MUM study is suspect due to this exectations
pehenomenon. It doesn't mean David OJ, Skip A, Arick A, or Fred T.. or
whoever are evil or ill-intentioned, but they live and work and
breath
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
[Brigante wrote:] Not exactly a surprise, in fact I was
wondering
why there had not
been a challenge earlier, given the
Judy, thanks for the correction; I did a quick search and didn't think
to check and see if this was a separate opinion. I assumed (and
apparently, incorrectly) that this was from the Court's actual ruling.
Some judges do write with great clarity and those that do, not
infrequently, with great
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**SNIP
...courts often rely on persuasive precedent from courts in other
jurisdictions that have previously dealt with similar issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent
I can't imagine a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy, thanks for the correction; I did a quick search and didn't
think to check and see if this was a separate opinion. I assumed
(and apparently, incorrectly) that this was from the Court's actual
ruling.
Well,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@
wrote:
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I'm sorry, but ANY MUM study is suspect due to this exectations
pehenomenon. It doesn't mean David OJ, Skip A, Arick A, or Fred T.. or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
reavismarek@ wrote:
Judy, thanks for the correction; I did a quick search and didn't
think to check and see if this was a separate opinion. I assumed
(and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
reavismarek@ wrote:
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
[Brigante wrote:] Not exactly a surprise, in fact I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
reavismarek@ wrote:
Jerry Jarvis being cross-examined about the puja and its meaning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
For instance, the US armed forces employs a wide variety of clergy to
serve as chaplains. They do ALL of the above and get paid by the US
government for doing it.
It just dawned on me how cool a USAF chaplain's job might
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@
wrote:
For instance, the US armed forces employs a wide variety of
clergy to
serve as chaplains. They do ALL of the above and get paid by the
US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@
wrote:
For instance, the US armed forces employs a wide variety of
clergy to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff
no_reply@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
sparaig@
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff
no_reply@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
sparaig@
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff
no_reply@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff
no_reply@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@
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Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**SNIP**
I'd love to know more about Judge Adams. Do you know
his first name, by any chance? I can't find it in the
document.
Do appeals court rulings typically include opinions by
one or more of
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