[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-09 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread Duveyoung
Wgm4u, Who in the fuck are you to conclude that I am some sort of dogma-bound, true believer? The truth about Shiva, being and non-being, heart and mind, actuality and illusion, cannot be lassoed with words. My trolling blurb was just that, a trolling blurb. You would know that if

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread wgm4u
A little thin skinned here EDg?, just thought your post was a great opportunity to debunk this idea that Shiva is actually what God looks like, (God can take any form and is ALL forms). At any rate, all you had to say was you were kidding, it was obvious from your satirical post. Anyway DOES

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: A little thin skinned here EDg?, just thought your post was a great opportunity to debunk this idea that Shiva is actually what God looks like, (God can take any form and is ALL forms). At any rate, all you had to say was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: A little thin skinned here EDg?, just thought your post was a great opportunity to debunk this idea that Shiva is actually what God looks like, (God can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread Jason
--- Susan wayback71@ wrote: Maybe it would be less offensive if that idea were just left unsaid and they got on with the usual acceptance of life responsibilities, difficulties, disappointments. But that is a more Buddhist approach, and they are Hindu. ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: A little thin skinned here EDg?, just thought your post was a great opportunity to debunk this idea that Shiva is actually what God looks like,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-08 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: A little thin skinned here EDg?, just thought your post was a great

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Maybe it would be less offensive if that idea were just left unsaid and they got on with the usual acceptance of life responsibilities, difficulties,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I'm not convinced that the beggar-recluse lifestyle is a healthy one for anyone, in any tradition. ANY tradition, including Buddhist monks who live the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: When meeting Lord Shiva, being on hands and knees doesn't cut it. Better to be faced down, laying prone on the floor in abject unworthiness, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Poor Edg, he just don't get it! Shiva is merely a symbolic form *representing* a formless creative intelligence of nature. There ain't no Shiva out

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Poor Edg, he just don't get it! Shiva is merely a symbolic form

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I rather doubt there's a formless creative intelligence out there either.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I disagree *vehemently* about all of this speculation meaning that we don't behave differently. Several on this forum have claimed this, but I don't believe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Poor Edg, he just don't get it! Shiva is merely a symbolic form *representing* a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I disagree *vehemently* about all of this speculation meaning that we don't behave

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I'll insert a couple of questions, if you don't mind About Mother Divine - that is a very small group of women who have chosen to live this way (even if their self did not choose it). Is joining the MD enforced on someone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Maybe it would be less offensive if that idea were just left unsaid and they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Maybe it would be less offensive if that idea were just left unsaid and they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I'll insert a couple of questions, if you don't mind About Mother Divine - that is a very small group of women who have chosen to live this way

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Maybe it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: You are a smart enough guy, Richard, that you don't need to make stuff up to make your points. Xenophaneros: Not every procedure in the TMO has existed throughout its history. Legalese documents

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As many have probably figured out, I have just been having fun with this scripture thread. I knew when I started it that it would push a few people's buttons. I also knew that some of them ones whose buttons had gotten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: snip Very nice, thanks for sharing. Regarding the Puja, Maharishi allowed doing Puja when appropiate, and not only for Initiation many years ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Just to start the week off right :-), Translation: Barry is about to tell a lie. I'll point out that not a single TM defender here has tried to make a case for either 1) the need to protect the purity of a tradition

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
You guys can talk about the appropiate-ness [sic] of doing puja all you want. I'm still rolling my eyes at the phrase Maharishi allowed. Grown adults talking about someone allowing them to do something? What a waste of a mind. authfriend: As long as what Barry claims to believe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: snip There are probably many witnesses that observed Barry down on his hands and knees doing a puja to Lord Shiva! It's funny how often people say on his hands and knees when they mean on his knees. They're two

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
There are probably many witnesses that observed Barry down on his hands and knees doing a puja to Lord Shiva! authfriend: It's funny how often people say on his hands and knees when they mean on his knees. They're two very different postures. Let me re-phrase that: There are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread Emily Reyn
I think Merudanda's poetry might make for an enjoyable compilation.   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: There are probably many witnesses that observed Barry down on his hands and knees doing a puja to Lord Shiva! authfriend: It's funny how often people say on his hands and knees when they mean on his knees.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread Duveyoung
When meeting Lord Shiva, being on hands and knees doesn't cut it. Better to be faced down, laying prone on the floor in abject unworthiness, and crying in body shuddering sobs and having your hairs standing on end and abiding with your mantra: have mercy on me Lord. And be prepared to have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: When meeting Lord Shiva, being on hands and knees doesn't cut it. Better to be faced down, laying prone on the floor in abject unworthiness, and crying in body shuddering sobs and having your hairs standing on end and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-05 Thread sparaig
Actually, in a type IV multiverse, ALL consistent stories are true somewhere. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: When meeting Lord Shiva, being on hands and knees doesn't cut it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: The word scripture means 'writing'. It is a piece of writing. Any piece of writing might do if for some reason it is revered by some one person or more. My point in bringing up this topic was merely to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Vaj
On May 3, 2012, at 3:49 PM, emptybill wrote: I was at the Fiuggi 2000 course and we did not sign or pledge anything. Learning the param-para puja and bBecoming a TM teacher was itself considered a pledge. Then get selling mantras dude! Perhaps at your next Yonge Khachab retreat you vent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not all who became initiators took it that way, though a lot of us did. I've been a big fan of that puja for a long time. There were years when I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: I was made a TM initiator by Maharishi on my birthday in 1972 in Fiuggi, Italy. According to the number assigned me I was the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Guru Stotram (the TM puja) gets sung every morning at the Domes. For TM as a movement it is an acculturating thing now in function. For ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
The word scripture means 'writing'. It is a piece of writing... turquoiseb: Judy, presented with an opinion from Vaj, one that is also undeniably fact (that Maharishi's teaching that he characterized as the holy tradition wasn't, and was made up by him)... So what part exactly, is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Did you take an oath on TTC? No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep the teaching pure - it's in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
You are a smart enough guy, Richard, that you don't need to make stuff up to make your points. Xenophaneros: Not every procedure in the TMO has existed throughout its history. Legalese documents etc., have proliferated over the years. So, maybe some teachers didn't agree to a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Very nice, thanks for sharing. Regarding the Puja, Maharishi allowed doing Puja when appropiate, and not only for Initiation many years ago... turquoiseb: Grown adults talking about someone allowing them to do something? What a waste of a mind... Here is an updated version of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/04/2012 07:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Did you take an oath on TTC? No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread merudanda
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture? You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Bhairitu: Did you take an oath on TTC? No, but everyone knows

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Bhairitu
richard@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture? You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Bhairitu: Did you take an oath on TTC

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread authfriend
Barry's still smarting from having his buttons pushed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip I think that both crazies are lazy, and are a great example of how believing in scripture or dogma erodes their ability to think. A rational response from the Waco

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Susan
I was in Fiuggi, and that pledge looks very familiar. I think I must have read it and signed it at some point there or on an ATR course a year later. I do not recall Jerry having us make a verbal pledge, but maybe we did. It was an amazing time, and I felt so grateful to be there. After

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
merudanda: On scripture one of the poets, whose name I cannot recall, Did I tell you about the time I lost my keys and they were in my right hand? has a passage, which I am unable at the moment to remember, in one of his works, which for the time being has slipped my mind... Did I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip But that's just my opinion. You are free to have your own opinion. I rest my case. Now make yours. :-) I think of scripture being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Judy, presented with an opinion from Vaj, one that is also undeniably fact (that Maharishi's teaching that he characterized as the holy tradition wasn't, and was made up by him), did *exactly* the same thing and accused

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread merudanda
[:D] Ahh --that time..wasn't it the first known instance of lost keys when the Devil took the Keys to the Pearly Gates.(BTW Satan denies hiding the Keys, but doesn't he denies always everything? God too proud to admit his mistake to give the Keys into your right hand, insisted that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Richard J. Williams
You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Bhairitu: Did you take an oath on TTC? No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep the teaching pure - it's in the Guru

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/03/2012 07:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Bhairitu: Did you take an oath on TTC? No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Vaj
On May 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep the teaching pure - it's in the Guru Dev puja that you used to recite every day and it's in the TTC pledge you made. What if, as we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So here's a followup question. If someone were capable of what you call direct

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep the teaching pure - it's in the Guru Dev puja that you used to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip I consider Joss Whedon a master storyteller. If someone hired him to make a move of The Bible, he could probably manage to make it interesting...that's how good a story- teller he is. :-) But it wouldn't be the best

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Richard J. Williams
No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep the teaching pure - it's in the Guru Dev puja that you used to recite every day and it's in the TTC pledge you made. Vaj: What if, as we now know, the teaching was impure? Should

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Emily Reyn
, May 3, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture? You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. Bhairitu: Did you take an oath on TTC? No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/03/2012 10:42 AM, wgm4u wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vajvajradhatu@ wrote: On May 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Emily Reyn
.   From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip I consider Joss Whedon a master

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread marekreavis
I was made a TM initiator by Maharishi on my birthday in 1972 in Fiuggi, Italy. According to the number assigned me I was the 1018 TM initiator that he made. I was never asked to take a pledge, either the one you printed below or any other version. And the invocation to Guru Dev in the puja is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
The word scripture means 'writing'. It is a piece of writing. Any piece of writing might do if for some reason it is revered by some one person or more. For example: tracert Usage: tracert [-d] [-h maximum_hops] [-j host-list] [-w timeout] target_name Options: -d Do not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip I mean, where do you start with someone who thinks the Bible is boring because it's mostly about superheroes rather than fallible human beings? Sorry Barry, I'm praying today :) and getting a good laugh at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Emily Reyn
This was my point as well - sacred is in the eye of the beholder.  Number 3 resonates.   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Emily Reyn
Well, I'm all for simplification.  My Mother's Bible Stories does include a number of smitings :) From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: I was made a TM initiator by Maharishi on my birthday in 1972 in Fiuggi, Italy. According to the number assigned me I was the 1018 TM initiator that he made. I was never asked to take a pledge, either the one you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread emptybill
I was at the Fiuggi 2000 course and we did not sign or pledge anything. Learning the param-para puja and bBecoming a TM teacher was itself considered a pledge. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: I was made a TM initiator by Maharishi on my birthday in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: I was made a TM initiator by Maharishi on my birthday in 1972 in Fiuggi, Italy. According to the number assigned me I was the 1018 TM initiator that he made. I was never asked to take a pledge, either the one you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I mean, where do you start with someone who thinks the Bible is boring because it's mostly about superheroes rather than fallible human

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread marekreavis
Not all who became initiators took it that way, though a lot of us did. I've been a big fan of that puja for a long time. There were years when I did puja every morning. It's funny that all my heroes were monks and renunciates (except for Vermeer). *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread marekreavis
No, that doesn't ring a bell, but it's entirely possible that I don't recollect it or, perhaps, I didn't attend for some reason. An absolutely wonderful course and such a high time. Really lucky to have caught that wave. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
The opening of the book of Genesis in Paleo-Hebrew script. The alphabet was based on the Phonecian alphabet. From the viewpoint of modern archaeology, most of the timeline of this collection of writings (what Christians call the Old Testament) is very likely mythological until about the mid-first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Not all who became initiators took it that way, though a lot of us did. I've been a big fan of that puja for a long time. There were years when I did puja every morning. It's funny that all my heroes were monks and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: I was made a TM initiator by Maharishi on my birthday in 1972 in Fiuggi, Italy. According to the number assigned me I was the 1018

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It occurred to me, after writing an earlier post today about the way I view scripture, that I don't remember the subject of how others here view scripture having been discussed. Anyone up for such a discussion? Are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It occurred to me, after writing an earlier post today about the way I view scripture, that I don't remember the subject of how others here view scripture having been discussed. Been discussed a lot, actually. Anyone up

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It occurred to me, after writing an earlier post today about the way I view scripture, that I don't remember the subject of how others here view scripture

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It occurred to me, after writing an earlier post today about the way I view scripture, that I don't remember the subject of how others here view scripture having been discussed. Anyone up for such a discussion? Are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It occurred to me, after writing an earlier post today about the way I view

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Emily Reyn
.   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
I suspect that some will react to this as if I'd plopped a turd in the communal punchbowl or tried to insult people, but that's not really my intention. authfriend: Unfortunately, your takes on the specifics of scripture have been so shallow and basically juvenile that your boast

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Scripture is always secondary to direct knowing, which is *intuition*, without the direct

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Scripture is always

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Some people believe that the Vedas are just a collection of tales that traders used to tell. If that were true, would that make them less than if one considered them scripture? See...to me, it wouldn't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: snip Dogmatic following of scripture is responsible for the lives of millions of people, clearly a mistake! Even today! Yeah, it can be dangerous in that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Emily Reyn
Uptight.  Ha ha hathat's my funny for the day.   From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/02/2012 12:23 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Some people believe that the Vedas are just a collection of tales that traders used to tell. If that were true, would that make them less than if one considered them scripture?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
If that were true, would that make them less than if one considered them scripture? See...to me, it wouldn't. Bhairitu: These are the kind of discussions that often go on OUTSIDE the TMO. ;-) You two Barrys ARE the TMO. ;-) You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/02/2012 05:22 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: If that were true, would that make them less than if one considered them scripture? See...to me, it wouldn't. Bhairitu: These are the kind of discussions that often go on OUTSIDE the TMO. ;-) You two Barrys ARE the TMO. ;-) You two

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
These are the kind of discussions that often go on OUTSIDE the TMO. ;-) You two Barrys ARE the TMO. ;-) You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. So, NOW you tell us its not sacred? Go figure. Bhairitu: You're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/02/2012 05:48 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: These are the kind of discussions that often go on OUTSIDE the TMO. ;-) You two Barrys ARE the TMO. ;-) You two used to bow down to the Hindu Gods and you took an oath to your guru to keep the teaching pure. So, NOW you tell us its not