[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip However, if one really understands what Maharishi is saying, one is left with just two possibilities. When someone claims total knowledge as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip However, if one really understands what Maharishi is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Good analogies. Although I cannot see that we generally choose to see the view as black and white. A new dimension or structure in our perception seems to first appear as black and white. With more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotes TB Kirkpatrick as saying: When someone begins TM he is told what its theoretical basis is. One can practice TM quite well without really understanding that basis. However, if one really understands what Maharishi is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread TurquoiseB
Judy points out similarities between Kirkpatrick's rant to the Fairfield Ledger and Kai's recent rant here about Jeezus. I noticed another similarity buried in his dissertation: When someone claims total knowledge as Maharishi has, it gives us a great epistemological advantage. How can anyone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread TurquoiseB
Following up on my own post (rude, I know, but this subject fascinates me); --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This last statement is spurious enough just on its own, but look at the *further* implication and assumption in this amazing rant. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, August 11. If you feel inspired to write a letter to the editor in response to this, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. One wonders if there are any sane letters being sent, or are only the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotes TB Kirkpatrick as saying: When someone begins TM he is told what its theoretical basis is. One can practice TM quite well without really

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread Rick Archer
Good material in here for a letter to the editor. I' hoping you'll write one. on 8/21/05 3:05 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy points out similarities between Kirkpatrick's rant to the Fairfield Ledger and Kai's recent rant here about Jeezus. I noticed another similarity

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy points out similarities between Kirkpatrick's rant to the Fairfield Ledger and Kai's recent rant here about Jeezus. I noticed another similarity buried in his dissertation: When someone claims total knowledge

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread authfriend
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I beleive that Maharishi has total knowledge, so do I, so do you. It is conceivable, at least to me,that MMY's access to total knowledge is better than mine, but that's not the same thing as saying he's perfect. I think the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I beleive that Maharishi has total knowledge, so do I, so do you. It is conceivable, at least to me,that MMY's access to total knowledge is better than mine,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. One wonders if there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if there is a relationship between Shinzen Young's theory of 'poly-spiritual' and 'mono-spiritual' and seekers' assumptions about whether they will ever realize their own enlightenment. The distinction made by Young

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread authfriend
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I beleive that Maharishi has total knowledge, so do I, so do you. It is conceivable, at least to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread authfriend
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The point being that the bottom line is *always* our own judgment. Having a teacher who has total knowledge does NOT relieve us of the responsibility of making such judgments. I don't disagree with any of what you go on to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Again, if total knowledge means anything, it means being able to say and do what people need to hear and see for their own development of consciousness. Perhaps this makes sense in the context of a spritual teacher, but total

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread authfriend
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The point being that the bottom line is *always* our own judgment. Having a teacher who has total knowledge does NOT relieve us of the responsibility of making such judgments. Tangentially, I find it amusing when people say

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread authfriend
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Again, if total knowledge means anything, it means being able to say and do what people need to hear and see for their own development of consciousness. Perhaps this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/21/05 8:48 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread jyouells2000
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Again, if total knowledge means anything, it means being able to say and do what people need to hear and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-21 Thread gable52556
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. One wonders if there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. I'm struck by the fact that Kai used the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. I'm struck by the fact that Kai used the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
This guy comes off as the TMO equivalent of a fanatical born-again Christian...more responses interweaved below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, August 11. If you feel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. Ohmigod...just the title scares me...