Thanks for your scientifically verified exposition. Now, where's your research
on the angels that dance on the head of a pin? Be specific. I wan't to know
numbers down to the last digit, thanks.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:42 AM,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:42 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM
practice.
Vaj said: Someone practicing at the finest levels will be able to experience
around 512 thought-recitations of mantra to the average beginners 1 vibration.
If we would have just one person practicing like this in the domes, having 512
thought recitations, that's almost the amount of pundits
On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:34 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Welcome back, Vaj! Interesting thoughts.
One thing that is also a misunderstanding of the terms subtle and vague. The
instruction in TM is always to pick up the mantra on the level of thought,
where one just is at the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
This may also be why more and more Domers are incorporating Mindfulness into
their TM practice (MTM). This is helping compensate for the
over-institutionalisation of effortlessness in the TM Org and the loss of
purity of
On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:01 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Vaj said: Someone practicing at the finest levels will be able to experience
around 512 thought-recitations of mantra to the average beginners 1
vibration.
If we would have just one person practicing like this in the
On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:37 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
This may also be why more and more Domers are incorporating Mindfulness
into their TM practice (MTM). This is helping compensate for the
.
From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during
meditation
On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:37 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
MTM, is currently practiced
Even the initials of the word are more balanced!
You can say what you want about this Vaj fellow, but he does have humour !
On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Vaj, do you realize that MTM also stand for Mary Tyler Moore and that this
came out in the famous Merv Griffin Show with Maharishi and Clint and Mary?
MTM was the name of her production company. She made a joke about
: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during
meditation
On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Vaj, do you realize that MTM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
snip
To speak of the mantra as being there, while a person would not
even notice it, as Judy has once in the past suggested to me,
is simply an absurdity.
I don't believe I ever suggested such a thing. Could you quote
the post,
Vag
You should give up trying to convince TM practitioners by paraphrasing
ol' Gelugpa Lati Rinpoche and Rama Linga Ding Dong.
As usual, your Buddhist Gelugpa idiot-olgy betrays you as a doctrinare.
Go back to Shambhala, Maine and smoke some more chara-s. Then praise
Shiva. You'll feel like you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
But PC is not awareness OF awareness.
PC is just awareness by Itself.
BE-ing.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
[...]
None of this seems remotely right to me.
What you say may be true, but I assert that no-one here is really at the level
where that becomes an issue.
Why would I assert this? Because anyone that subtle in their thinking would
have much better things to do than argue with people on the internet.
*I* even have better things to do.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
What you say may be true, but I assert that no-one here is really at the
level where that becomes an issue.
Why would I assert this? Because anyone that subtle in their thinking would
have much better things to do than
On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:42 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice.
Lawson, you were making the point, that just thinking OF the mantra, would
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice.
Lawson, you were making the point, that just thinking OF the mantra, would be a
subtle form of the mantra. And, since it is your main point here, to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
I'll put it differently:
if there is a choice, there is also a chooser.
There is no choice. It is choiceless awareness.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
You're sure about this,
I have never made the claim that I never knew the mantra was there or not.
I have made the claim that mantraness can be infinitely
faint/vague/ill-defined, etc and that just as one doesn't have to be thinking P
I N K E L E P H A N T in order to qualify as thinking about pink elephants, so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
I have never made the claim that I never knew the mantra was there or not.
I have made the claim that mantraness can be infinitely
faint/vague/ill-defined, etc and that just as one doesn't have to be thinking
P I N K E L
Lawson,
As SSRS discussed many times, abiding in silent awareness during
meditation happens naturally in TM practice that is if someone has
meditated for a long time following proper instruction. He further
clarified that if a practitioner continues to maintain an effortless TM
practice, then
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror.
Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know
anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very
Xeno, very beautiful analysis, just what I was thinking about, but expressed
more elegantly.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
I think this argument here may be because we have assigned a term to a
particular experience and view that as an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror.
Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror.
Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know
anymore, all
Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice.
Nor does it matter that it doesn't matter. If you're doing TM, then you
follow the instructions, if you don't follow the instructions, such as they
are, then you're not doing TM.
Of course, follow the instructions can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
I have been practicing TM for a long time, and I do think this 'don't know'
mind has come about. A long long time ago I learned mindfulness, and found at
that time it was rather difficult, or perhaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice.
Nor does it matter that it doesn't matter. If you're doing TM, then you
follow the instructions, if you don't follow the instructions, such as they
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
Dr. Michael Shermer replies to Harris (and the recent reseach on
choices) in his Sci Am article Free Won't. The experimentation isn't as
If this is what you meant as my point
Lawson sez:
And again: noticing something, however subtle, even the first
glimmering of awareness of awareness, is no longer pure consciousness.
Empty Bill sez:
Theny ou do not understand what the witness actually is.
However,if you are referring
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
If this is what you meant as my point �
Lawson sez:
And again: noticing something, however subtle, even the first
glimmering of awareness of awareness, is no longer pure consciousness.
Empty Bill sez:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
One thing that I'll mention is that the research on pure consciousness
shows that people's brains have returned to a more normal mode of
functioning by the time they actually notice PC. In a very real sense,
Yoohoo Transcendendal Meditation...
Eventually the mantra transcends out of existence, or rather, the
three-in-one rishi-devata-chhandas during meditation converges into a
single point whose only quality is observerness.
L
On 7/24/12 8:27 AM, Vaj wrote:
On Jul 24, 2012, at 11:14 AM,
There's that pesky I again...
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
One thing that I'll mention is that the research on pure consciousness
shows that people's brains have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
Dr. Michael Shermer replies to Harris (and the recent reseach on choices)
in his Sci Am article Free Won't. The experimentation isn't as simple as a
neurological blip, then choice made a few second later. First, as to the
Thank you Empty, this is simply superb, best post of the week IMHO.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Lawson.
You do not seem to understand SSRS's instructions about meditation with
a mantra. Is this because you have never heard those instructions?
And again:
noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of awareness of
awareness, is no longer pure consciousness.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
Thank you Empty, this is simply superb, best post of the week IMHO.
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
And again:
noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of awareness of
awareness, is no longer pure consciousness.
Lawson, not trying to be arrogant here, but the states Empty and I are talking
about,
You're sure about this, are you...
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
And again:
noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of awareness
of awareness, is no
I'll put it differently:
if there is a choice, there is also a chooser.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
You're sure about this, are you...
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
You're sure about this, are you...
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
And again:
noticing something,
I think this argument here may be because we have assigned a term to a
particular experience and view that as an entity, as if it were an object. When
we are awake we are conscious, even if we cannot define what consciousness is.
The experience called TC is also consciousness, but it is not a
The argument is simply because the presentation, as is, specifically states
there is a choice to be made, and that in the proper circumstances, nothing
need be done.
In fact, as long as there is a choice, there is a chooser, and as long as there
is a chooser, the choice should be made. Now, it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
And again:
noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of awareness
of awareness, is no longer pure consciousness.
Lawson,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
And again:
noticing something, however subtle, even the first
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
But PC is not awareness OF awareness.
PC is just awareness by Itself.
BE-ing.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
[...]
None of this seems remotely right to me. This would mean PC is unconciousness
not awareness of awareness itself which is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
The argument is simply because the presentation, as is, specifically states
there is a choice to be made, and that in the proper circumstances, nothing
need be done.
In fact, as long as there is a choice, there is a
Dr. Michael Shermer replies to Harris (and the recent reseach on choices) in
his Sci Am article Free Won't. The experimentation isn't as simple as a
neurological blip, then choice made a few second later. First, as to the blip
indicating a choice, even more recent reseach indicates the first
One of the first signs of the progressive development of CC is the
simultaneous presence of pure awareness together with either
the mantra or thought(s).
You are not accounting for this development but are treating pure
consciousness only in the exclusionary terms of TC. MMY never
treated CC as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
The argument is simply because the presentation, as is, specifically states
there is a choice to be made, and that in the proper
Many words, none of which address my point.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
One of the first signs of the progressive development of CC is the
simultaneous presence of pure awareness together with either
the mantra or thought(s).
You are not
And this is where SSRS and I disagree.
Recognizing ANYTHING is a form of thought. That is, by definition, the very
first act of the intellect: the universal conscious notes that it exists.
Likewise, it can be the very first act of our own internal equivalent: we note
that we exist -that we
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