Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-30 Thread Vaj
On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Seeing how MMY believed that the BUddha taught TM, that's an odd thing to say. Lawson Can't recall Maharishi ever say that, though He always spoke very highly of the Buddha. The MIU curriculum used to claim the Surangama sutra was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-30 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness- aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one or another particular correlates of pure

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-30 Thread Vaj
On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then what is there to measure? Sorry to break into your flake-fest here Ms. Enlightened--and not to belabor the point--but as long as the physical body remains you cannot negate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote: What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'... 'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still aware. Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking, needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. No, I base it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:38 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes Vaj, can you describe some of those attributes? Control over waking,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Bhairitu
enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The difference between spontaneous samadhi and spacing out is that nothing is accomplished by spacing out except escape. It is a little like being dead. Caused by actions leading to a big dosha imbalance. Spontaneous samadhi (is there really unspontaneous

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that is still

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information. Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or anything else that actually works. Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience versus their outdated

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners, thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Peter
I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I now realize that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-) --- On Mon, 9/29/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out? To:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Peter wrote: I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I now realize that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-) Well hey, look at the bright side: at least you didn't try to swallow the absolute like Bevan.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-29 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:14 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: There is no psysiological correlate to Pure Consciousness and Being. It is unmanifest. Whether we have awareness of PC (ha-ha) or Being is not measurable, except by awareness; mindfulness and transcendence both. It cannot be conveyed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-28 Thread Bhairitu
Tom wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, were you talking to me? What? Ah, I think they were talkin about chicken sandwiches .ya know, being grounding. I like mustard on mine...and a little mayo. Would you like some fries

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-28 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
We need to ask Sondheim about this.  Leonard once said that during the time while he was pretending to be a hetero married guy all that sex energy was sublimated into his music.  The result was the score to West Side Story.  It was, he said, the most creative period of my life. --- On Sun,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?

2008-09-28 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:02 PM Tom wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Peter drpetersutphen@ ... wrote: I'm sorry, were you