date:20060724







In a message dated 7/24/06 9:23:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
   Israel invaded palestine 50 years ago, and has been surpressing 
  and  keeping the people in apartheid ever since.   
  I know, I hitch hiked through palestine. You must be reading 
  Iran's current president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "book", he is known to 
  re write history as of late. lolmaybe you should hitch hiked to 
  Iran ,Ahmadinejad like zealos ignorant people.Let us examine the 
  truths here: 1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian 
  nation. There are no Palestinian people, per se. Rather, these are Arabs 
  living in a region that historically has been called many things, 
  including "Palestine." 2) Israel did not go to war against a 
  Palestinian state and occupy its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six 
  Arab countries at once. She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and 
  won the so-called territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan 
  and Egypt. 3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. 
  It was certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why 
  should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? 
  Because they have terrorists? 4) Jerusalem, under the current 
  Israeli control, is a free and open city. Israel, as a democracy, 
  guarantees freedom of religion within its borders. Contrast this fact with 
  areas that have come under Palestinian occupation. What percentage of 
  Christians have left in recent years because they cannot stand the 
  harassment and persecution? 5) Most Arabs living in Palestine 
  today are not indigenous to the region. It was not until after the Jews 
  had changed deserts and swamps into a productive and thriving land that 
  the Arabs started migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in 
  Cairo, Egypt. Did you know that? The belief that giving the 
  Palestinians a state will bring peace is a delusion. Unless the 
  Arabs recognize and accept these truths, even if they are given a state of 
  their own, and no matter how many agreements and treaties they sign, they 
  will always feel wronged, cheated, and forced into giving up what they now 
  claim is theirs. They will continue to plot and look for an opportunity to 
  destroy Israel in order to take back what they claim is theirs, especially 
  the younger generation that has been brainwashed to hate the "occupying 
  enemy." Whether there is a Palestinian state or not, there will be no 
  peace. Only a massive and ongoing re-education of the Arab people to 
  these truths will enable meaningful negotiations to begin, followed by a 
  lasting peace between Arabs and Jews. It is therefore critical that 
  everyone who has an audience, whether in print or other media, use the 
  forum they have available to repeat these truths again and again until 
  they reach the consciousness of those waging war in the Middle 
  East 
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Larry , you can't tell OffWorld anything, after all, he hitch hiked thru 
"Palestine" and knows it all.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English Palestine is 
 ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
 Herodotus who wrote of the district of Syria, called Palaistinê
i. 
 The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly 
 stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy 
also 
 used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that 
 was formerly called Palaestina when describing the eastern coast 
 of the Mediterranean.
 
 Roman times
 As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (6673), Titus sacked 
 Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the 
Western 
 Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
 Kokhba in 132135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews 
from 
 Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the 
Galilee. 
 He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) 
to 
 Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the 
now 
 conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological 
 warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to 
 Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the 
 name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
had 
 become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History

It's obvious you don't understand what you are reading.

why do you think you read about the Jews and the Greeks and 
not the Palestinians... ? 

The Roman destroyed the Second Temple that belonged to the Jews.
and trying to change the name of the land in order to steal it from 
the Jews.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English Palestine is 
  ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
  Herodotus who wrote of the district of Syria, called 
 Palaistinêi. 
  The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly 
  stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy 
 also 
  used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that 
  was formerly called Palaestina when describing the eastern 
coast 
  of the Mediterranean.
  
  Roman times
  As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (6673), Titus sacked 
  Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the 
 Western 
  Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
  Kokhba in 132135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews 
 from 
  Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the 
 Galilee. 
  He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) 
 to 
  Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the 
 now 
  conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological 
  warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem 
to 
  Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the 
  name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
 had 
  become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 
 
 There are people who deny that Nazi Germany killed millions of 
Jews -
 - the claim that there never was a Palestine is on a moral and 
 intellectual par, by people who think that this big lie makes the 
 Zionist land grab an OK thing. 
 
 The victors of WWII forced Israel on the Arab world at a time when 
 those countries were weak, poor, and disorganized -- sooner or 
later
 the Arab peoples will be organized enough to reassert control over 
 Palestine, no matter how much blood and money the U.S. and Israel 
 are willing to spend. 
 
 Zionism is really just trying to put the toothpaste back in the 
 tube, and it ain't gonna work. Europeans took over North America 
 primarily because disease killed 90% of the indigenous population, 
 but Israel's 5 million Jews are vastly outnumbered  and that math 
is 
 never going to change in Israel's favor. It's entirely 
 understandable that the Jews of Europe would seek a place where 
Jews 
 could live without pogroms, but Israel is not that place and never 
 will be. If humans were capable of reason (and of course they are 
 not, the situation is hopeless until human consciousness is more 
 expanded), then another homeland for the Jews would be found, 
 instead of a place that will be a super-pogrom for them and their  
 neighbors.

Bob that's only in your twisted mind.

The land of Israel was always the Jew's land. It's true that Jews 
were driven away from the land to
whatever extent, and yes it's also true that others occupied it but 
there always were Jews their. 
Zionism is a return of rest of the Jews to their birth right land.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/24/06 9:14:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 The Greek form PalaistinÃªi from which English Palestine is 
 ultimately  derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
 Herodotus who wrote of  the district of Syria, called 
PalaistinÃªi. 
 The boundaries of the area he  referred to were not explicitly 
 stated, but Josephus used the name only  for Philistia. Ptolemy 
also 
 used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a  region of Syria that 
 was formerly called Palaestina when describing the  eastern 
coast 
 of the Mediterranean.
 
 Roman times
 As a result of  the First Jewish-Roman War (66â73), Titus sacked 
 Jerusalem and destroyed  the Second Temple, leaving only the 
Western 
 Wall. In 135, following the  fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
 Kokhba in 132â135, the Roman emperor  Hadrian expelled most Jews 
from 
 Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in  Samaria and the 
Galilee. 
 He also changed the name of the Roman province of  Judea (Israel) 
to 
 Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an  insult to the 
now 
 conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of  psychological 
 warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of  Jerusalem to 
 Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time  the 
 name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
had  
 become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
 _http://en.wikipediahttp://en.http://en.http://_ 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History) 
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 
 
 Read it again dumbass. There never was a Palestinian nation, only 
a  
 Palestinian region. OffWorld go back to school, obviously you 
didn't learn  much.


You have been brainwashed. 

The British called the country they mandated in 1917 Palestine. 
The League of Nations called it Palestine. The Arabs living there 
were referred to as Palestinian Arabs, the Jews living there were 
referred to as Jewish Palestinians, even by themselves.
You are brainwashed and of low education.

Map of the 1917 British Mandate called Palestine by the British, 
French, Jews, Arabs, and the Americans fo the time, later 
called Palestine by the League of Nations (UN)
Look at the map redneck. Do you see Isreal written anywhere on there?
http://tinyurl.com/kj6qe

Get an education.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

 The modern media is filled with stories about the Palestinians, 
their plight, their dilemmas and their struggles. All aspects of 
their lives seem to have been put under the microscope. Only one 
question never seems to be addressed: Who are the Palestinians? Who 
are these people who claim the Holy Land as their own? What is their 
history? Where did they come from? And how did they arrive at the 
country they call Palestine? Now that both U.S. President George 
Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (in direct opposition 
to the platform he was elected on) have come out in favor of a 
Palestinian state, it would be prudent to seek answers to these 
questions. After all, for all we know, Palestine could be as real as 
Disneyland. 
The general impression given in the media is that Palestinians have 
lived in the Holy Land for hundreds, if not thousands of years. But 
curiously, when it comes to giving the history of this ancient 
people most news outlets find it harder to go back more than the 
early nineteen hundreds.

CNN, a news outlet which has devoted countless hours of airtime to 
the plight of the Palestinians, has a website which features a 
special section on the Middle East conflict called Struggle For 
Peace. In it, is included a promising sounding section 
entitled Lands Through The Ages which assures us it will detail 
the history of the region using maps. But strangely, it turns out, 
the maps displayed start no earlier than the ancient date of 1917. 
The CBS News website has a background section called 'A Struggle For 
Middle East Peace.'' Its history timeline starts no earlier than 
1897. The NBC News background section called ''Searching for Peace'' 
has a timeline which starts in 1916. BBC's timeline starts in 1948.

But the clincher must certainly be the Palestinian National 
Authority's own website. While it is top heavy on such phrases 
as Israeli occupation and Israeli human rights violations the 
site offers practically nothing on the history of the so-called 
Palestinian people. The only article on the site with any historical 
content is called Palestinian History - 20th Century Milestones 
which seems only to confirm that prior to 1900 there was no such 
concept as a Palestinian people.

While the modern media maybe short on information about the history 
of the Palestinian people the historical record is not. Books, 
such as Battleground by Samuel Katz and From Time Immemorial by 
Joan Peters long ago detailed the history of the region.

Far from being settled by Palestinians for hundreds, if not 
thousands of years, the Land of Israel, according to dozens of 
visitors to the land, was, until the beginning of the last century, 
practically empty. Alphonse de Lamartine visited the land in 1835. 
In his book, Recollections of the East, he writes Outside the 
gates of Jerusalem we saw no living object, heard no living sound. 
None other than the famous American author Mark Twain, who visited 
the Land of Israel in 1867, confirms this. In his book The 
Innocents Abroad he writes, A desolation is here that not even 
imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached 
Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole journey. 
Even the British Consul in Palestine reported in 1857, The country 
is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its 
greatest need is that of a body of population

In fact, according to official Ottoman Turk census figures, in 1882, 
in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141 000 Muslims, both 
Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650 000 Arabs by 
1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would 
become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years. 
Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. 
Where did all these Arabs come from?

According to the Arabs the huge increase in their numbers was due to 
natural childbirth. In 1944, for example, they alleged that the 
natural increase (births minus deaths) of Arabs in the Land of 
Israel was the astounding figure of 334 per 1000. That would make it 
roughly three times the corresponding rate for the same year of 
Lebanon and Syria and almost four times that of Egypt, considered 
amongst the highest in the world. Unlikely, to say the least. But if 
the massive increase was not due to natural births, then were did 
all these Arabs come from?

All the evidence points to the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, 
Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. In 1922 the British Governor of the Sinai 
noted that illegal immigration was not only going on from the 
Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria.

In 1930 the British Mandate sponsored Hope-Simpson Report noted 
that unemployment lists are being swollen by immigrants from Trans-
Jordania and illicit immigration through Syria and across the 
northern frontier of Palestine is material. Indeed the Arabs 
themselves bare witness to this trend. For example, the governor of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English Palestine is 
  ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
  Herodotus who wrote of the district of Syria, called 
 Palaistinêi. 
  The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly 
  stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy 
 also 
  used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that 
  was formerly called Palaestina when describing the eastern 
coast 
  of the Mediterranean.
  
  Roman times
  As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (6673), Titus sacked 
  Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the 
 Western 
  Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
  Kokhba in 132135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews 
 from 
  Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the 
 Galilee. 
  He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) 
 to 
  Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the 
 now 
  conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological 
  warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem 
to 
  Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the 
  name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
 had 
  become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 
 
 There are people who deny that Nazi Germany killed millions of 
Jews -
 - the claim that there never was a Palestine is on a moral and 
 intellectual par, by people who think that this big lie makes the 
 Zionist land grab an OK thing. 

It is Ironic




 The victors of WWII forced Israel on the Arab world at a time when 
 those countries were weak, poor, and disorganized -- sooner or 
later
 the Arab peoples will be organized enough to reassert control over 
 Palestine, no matter how much blood and money the U.S. and Israel 
 are willing to spend. 
 
 Zionism is really just trying to put the toothpaste back in the 
 tube, and it ain't gonna work. Europeans took over North America 
 primarily because disease killed 90% of the indigenous population, 
 but Israel's 5 million Jews are vastly outnumbered  and that math 
is 
 never going to change in Israel's favor. It's entirely 
 understandable that the Jews of Europe would seek a place where 
Jews 
 could live without pogroms, but Israel is not that place and never 
 will be. If humans were capable of reason (and of course they are 
 not, the situation is hopeless until human consciousness is more 
 expanded), then another homeland for the Jews would be found, 
 instead of a place that will be a super-pogrom for them and their  
 neighbors.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 7/24/06 9:14:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   
   
  The Greek form PalaistinÃªi from which English Palestine is 
  ultimately  derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
  Herodotus who wrote of  the district of Syria, called 
 PalaistinÃªi. 
  The boundaries of the area he  referred to were not explicitly 
  stated, but Josephus used the name only  for Philistia. Ptolemy 
 also 
  used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a  region of Syria that 
  was formerly called Palaestina when describing the  eastern 
 coast 
  of the Mediterranean.
  
  Roman times
  As a result of  the First Jewish-Roman War (66â73), Titus 
sacked 
  Jerusalem and destroyed  the Second Temple, leaving only the 
 Western 
  Wall. In 135, following the  fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
  Kokhba in 132â135, the Roman emperor  Hadrian expelled most 
Jews 
 from 
  Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in  Samaria and the 
 Galilee. 
  He also changed the name of the Roman province of  Judea 
(Israel) 
 to 
  Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an  insult to 
the 
 now 
  conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of  psychological 
  warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of  Jerusalem 
to 
  Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time  
the 
  name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
 had  
  become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
  _http://en.wikipediahttp://en.http://en.http://_ 
  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History) 
  
  OffWorld
  
  
  
  
  
  Read it again dumbass. There never was a Palestinian nation, 
only 
 a  
  Palestinian region. OffWorld go back to school, obviously you 
 didn't learn  much.
 
 
 You have been brainwashed. 
 
 The British called the country they mandated in 1917 Palestine. 
 The League of Nations called it Palestine. The Arabs living 
there 
 were referred to as Palestinian Arabs, the Jews living there were 
 referred to as Jewish Palestinians, even by themselves.
 You are brainwashed and of low education.
 
 Map of the 1917 British Mandate called Palestine by the British, 
 French, Jews, Arabs, and the Americans fo the time, later 
 called Palestine by the League of Nations (UN)
 Look at the map redneck. Do you see Isreal written anywhere on 
there?
 http://tinyurl.com/kj6qe
 

Again off_world you are confused.

Prior to the influx of thousands of eastern European hardworking 
Jews in the second half of XIX c and on, the Land of Israel was 
scarcely populated: majority were religious Jews who lived in the 
holy cities (Tver, Hevron, Tsfat etc.), Druze in the north, 
Bedouins, who wondered all over Negev, Sinai and Tran Jordan 
deserts, and, yes, there were two, I repeat TWO Arab clans. One 
Muslim clan Husseini, and one Christian Nusseibah. That is it. All 
those Arabs, who now call themselves Palestinians Refugees etc. 
are in fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon 
etc. looking for the handouts from the Jews. They are grandchildren 
of scavengers and have no historical, moral or any other right in 
the Land of the Jews.
Palestine?  Why won't these Arabs call themselves Martians, no wait, 
Lunatics! 

Let us examine the truths here: 

1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. 
There are no Palestinian people, per se. Rather, these are Arabs 
living in a region that historically has been called many things, 
including Palestine. 

2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and occupy 
its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at once. 
She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-called 
territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt. 

3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It was 
certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why 
should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? 
Because they have terrorists? 

4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and open 
city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion within 
its borders. Contrast this fact with areas that have come under 
Palestinian occupation. What percentage of Christians have left in 
recent years because they cannot stand the harassment and 
persecution? 

5) Most Arabs living in Palestine today are not indigenous to the 
region. It was not until after the Jews had changed deserts and 
swamps into a productive and thriving land that the Arabs started 
migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in Cairo, Egypt. 
Did you know that? 

The belief that giving the Palestinians a state will bring peace is 
a delusion. 

Unless the Arabs recognize and accept these truths, even if they are 
given a state of their own, and no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English Palestine is 
  ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
  Herodotus who wrote of the district of Syria, called Palaistinê
 i. 
  The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly 
  stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy 
 also 
  used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that 
  was formerly called Palaestina when describing the eastern 
coast 
  of the Mediterranean.
  
  Roman times
  As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (6673), Titus sacked 
  Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the 
 Western 
  Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
  Kokhba in 132135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews 
 from 
  Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the 
 Galilee. 
  He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) 
 to 
  Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the 
 now 
  conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological 
  warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem 
to 
  Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the 
  name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
 had 
  become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History
 
 It's obvious you don't understand what you are reading.
 
 why do you think you read about the Jews and the Greeks and 
 not the Palestinians... ? 
 
 The Roman destroyed the Second Temple that belonged to the Jews.
 and trying to change the name of the land in order to steal it 
from 
 the Jews.

So it belongs to the Italians now?!

The Jews were a tiny nation among the region and people that they 
called the Philistines --- from whence comes the name Palestine

Get an education...and not from the baptist childrens bible please.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  no_reply@ wrote:
  
   The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English Palestine is 
   ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
   Herodotus who wrote of the district of Syria, called 
  Palaistinêi. 
   The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly 
   stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy 
  also 
   used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that 
   was formerly called Palaestina when describing the eastern 
 coast 
   of the Mediterranean.
   
   Roman times
   As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (6673), Titus 
sacked 
   Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the 
  Western 
   Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
   Kokhba in 132135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most 
Jews 
  from 
   Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the 
  Galilee. 
   He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea 
(Israel) 
  to 
   Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to 
the 
  now 
   conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological 
   warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem 
 to 
   Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time 
the 
   name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by 
then 
  had 
   become an administrative political unit within the Roman 
Empire.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History
   
   OffWorld
  
  
  
  
  There are people who deny that Nazi Germany killed millions of 
 Jews -
  - the claim that there never was a Palestine is on a moral and 
  intellectual par, by people who think that this big lie makes 
the 
  Zionist land grab an OK thing. 
  
  The victors of WWII forced Israel on the Arab world at a time 
when 
  those countries were weak, poor, and disorganized -- sooner or 
 later
  the Arab peoples will be organized enough to reassert control 
over 
  Palestine, no matter how much blood and money the U.S. and 
Israel 
  are willing to spend. 
  
  Zionism is really just trying to put the toothpaste back in the 
  tube, and it ain't gonna work. Europeans took over North America 
  primarily because disease killed 90% of the indigenous 
population, 
  but Israel's 5 million Jews are vastly outnumbered  and that 
math 
 is 
  never going to change in Israel's favor. It's entirely 
  understandable that the Jews of Europe would seek a place where 
 Jews 
  could live without pogroms, but Israel is not that place and 
never 
  will be. If humans were capable of reason (and of course they 
are 
  not, the situation is hopeless until human consciousness is more 
  expanded), then another homeland for the Jews would be found, 
  instead of a place that will be a super-pogrom for them and 
their  
  neighbors.
 
 Bob that's only in your twisted mind.
 
 The land of Israel was always the Jew's land. It's true that Jews 
 were driven away from the land to
 whatever extent, and yes it's also true that others occupied it 
but there always were Jews their. 
 Zionism is a return of rest of the Jews to their birth right 
land.

And there were always native americans in America, but you want them 
to stay on the reservations don't you. The jews were one irrelevant 
desert tribe among many. They referred to the mass of people living 
in the region as Phillistines, hence the name Palestine. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine/ Philistia

Utter uneducated BS, Larry.

The name that was given to the region was Philistia and the people 
were known as the Phillistines, hence the name Palestine

After being repulsed by the Egyptians, they occupied the coastal 
plain of Palestine from Joppa (modern Tel AvivYafo) southward to 
the Gaza Strip. The area contained the five cities (the Pentapolis) 
of the Philistine confederacy (Gaza, Ashkelon [Ascalon], Ashdod, 
Gath, and Ekron) and was known as Philistia, or the Land of the 
Philistines. It was from this designation that the whole of the 
country was later called Palestine by the Greeks. 
---Encyclopedia Brittanica

You lose
Adios

OffWorld




. 
 Again off_world you are confused.
 
 Prior to the influx of thousands of eastern European hardworking 
 Jews in the second half of XIX c and on, the Land of Israel was 
 scarcely populated: majority were religious Jews who lived in the 
 holy cities (Tver, Hevron, Tsfat etc.), Druze in the north, 
 Bedouins, who wondered all over Negev, Sinai and Tran Jordan 
 deserts, and, yes, there were two, I repeat TWO Arab clans. One 
 Muslim clan Husseini, and one Christian Nusseibah. That is it. All 
 those Arabs, who now call themselves Palestinians Refugees 
etc. 
 are in fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, 
Lebanon 
 etc. looking for the handouts from the Jews. They are 
grandchildren 
 of scavengers and have no historical, moral or any other right in 
 the Land of the Jews.
 Palestine?  Why won't these Arabs call themselves Martians, no 
wait, 
 Lunatics! 
 
 Let us examine the truths here: 
 
 1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. 
 There are no Palestinian people, per se. Rather, these are Arabs 
 living in a region that historically has been called many things, 
 including Palestine. 
 
 2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and occupy 
 its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at 
once. 
 She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-
called 
 territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt. 
 
 3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It was 
 certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why 
 should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? 
 Because they have terrorists? 
 
 4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and 
open 
 city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion 
within 
 its borders. Contrast this fact with areas that have come under 
 Palestinian occupation. What percentage of Christians have left in 
 recent years because they cannot stand the harassment and 
 persecution? 
 
 5) Most Arabs living in Palestine today are not indigenous to the 
 region. It was not until after the Jews had changed deserts and 
 swamps into a productive and thriving land that the Arabs started 
 migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in Cairo, 
Egypt. 
 Did you know that? 
 
 The belief that giving the Palestinians a state will bring peace 
is 
 a delusion. 
 
 Unless the Arabs recognize and accept these truths, even if they 
are 
 given a state of their own, and no matter how many agreements and 
 treaties they sign, they will always feel wronged, cheated, and 
 forced into giving up what they now claim is theirs. They will 
 continue to plot and look for an opportunity to destroy Israel in 
 order to take back what they claim is theirs, especially the 
younger 
 generation that has been brainwashed to hate the occupying 
enemy. 
 Whether there is a Palestinian state or not, there will be no 
peace. 
 
 Only a massive and ongoing re-education of the Arab people to 
these 
 truths will enable meaningful negotiations to begin, followed by a 
 lasting peace between Arabs and Jews. It is therefore critical 
that 
 everyone who has an audience, whether in print or other media, use 
 the forum they have available to repeat these truths again and 
again 
 until they reach the consciousness of those waging war in the 
Middle 
 East
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[FairfieldLife] 'The End of the Road'

2006-07-24 Thread Robert Gimbel

On the bus I was going; And sitting behind me, Was two Fellows; Ya, know, I was saying to them: I'm from Madison, Wixconsin, and we there are kind of 'old hippie anti-war radicals; And we think that King George II is evil, and that he just wants to take over the world; Him and his offspring are just parasites, for their lavish lifestyles, and they just want money, power and control? Did you know all that? And now the Israeli's are going a little nuts, and so, we might be at the 'End of Time(s)'; Because the Mayan Calendar says so: Because it ends on December 24Th 20012.Well he says, one of the guys, sitting behind me on the bus... He just joined the Army; so he's out to change this crazy world, for real! Ah, I said, he joined the Army; I asked, "YOu actually joined the Army?" Yeah, and my
brother just died, last month in Afghanistan; He wasin the Special Forces. "I'm sorry to hear that,,, "I think you are really a brave soul, for joining...I felt embarrassed that my government conspiracy theories, Were falling on deaf ears... But the other guy I was talking to; His family was also heavily involved inmilitary affairs.. His uncle he said, was a Federal Marshall; And he was down in New Orleans, after the flood; And there was murder and rape, in the stadium there... And there is a lot going on in the government, it's true... That we don't know about; But that he felt it was 'justified'. And told me that a plot was just uncovered recently; Some evil doer, was coming in from Mexico; And that the plot which was uncovered, really
scaredhim; "Well, can you tell me what it was about?" "No, I really can't, he said; "But in a way, I wish the government would come out with the details, Of this plot, because we do really need to take this enemy seriously"...Now, sitting in front of me, on the bus; We're two younger guys; One black and one white; They were talking about music, and rap; And religion, and Jesus, and miracles; And they were makinga friendship, right then and there; I could hear them really bearing their soul's to one another.On the way out of the station; When we arrived in Seattle; I came up to the black guy, And asked him for his number. I told him, I was a writer, and that I needed to ask him some things, Which I had
over-heard him speaking of...R.Gimbel Seattle,WA.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine/ Philistia


You repeat the same mistakes as you do, you hardly read the thread 
or if you did you have a comprehending problem.

get a brain then get education.




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Utter uneducated BS, Larry.
 
 The name that was given to the region was Philistia and the 
people 
 were known as the Phillistines, hence the name Palestine
 
 After being repulsed by the Egyptians, they occupied the coastal 
 plain of Palestine from Joppa (modern Tel AvivYafo) southward to 
 the Gaza Strip. The area contained the five cities (the 
Pentapolis) 
 of the Philistine confederacy (Gaza, Ashkelon [Ascalon], Ashdod, 
 Gath, and Ekron) and was known as Philistia, or the Land of the 
 Philistines. It was from this designation that the whole of the 
 country was later called Palestine by the Greeks. 
 ---Encyclopedia Brittanica
 
 You lose
 Adios
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 
 . 
  Again off_world you are confused.
  
  Prior to the influx of thousands of eastern European hardworking 
  Jews in the second half of XIX c and on, the Land of Israel was 
  scarcely populated: majority were religious Jews who lived in 
the 
  holy cities (Tver, Hevron, Tsfat etc.), Druze in the north, 
  Bedouins, who wondered all over Negev, Sinai and Tran Jordan 
  deserts, and, yes, there were two, I repeat TWO Arab clans. One 
  Muslim clan Husseini, and one Christian Nusseibah. That is it. 
All 
  those Arabs, who now call themselves Palestinians Refugees 
 etc. 
  are in fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, 
 Lebanon 
  etc. looking for the handouts from the Jews. They are 
 grandchildren 
  of scavengers and have no historical, moral or any other right 
in 
  the Land of the Jews.
  Palestine?  Why won't these Arabs call themselves Martians, no 
 wait, 
  Lunatics! 
  
  Let us examine the truths here: 
  
  1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. 
  There are no Palestinian people, per se. Rather, these are Arabs 
  living in a region that historically has been called many 
things, 
  including Palestine. 
  
  2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and 
occupy 
  its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at 
 once. 
  She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-
 called 
  territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and 
Egypt. 
  
  3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It 
was 
  certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why 
  should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want 
it? 
  Because they have terrorists? 
  
  4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and 
 open 
  city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion 
 within 
  its borders. Contrast this fact with areas that have come under 
  Palestinian occupation. What percentage of Christians have left 
in 
  recent years because they cannot stand the harassment and 
  persecution? 
  
  5) Most Arabs living in Palestine today are not indigenous to 
the 
  region. It was not until after the Jews had changed deserts and 
  swamps into a productive and thriving land that the Arabs 
started 
  migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in Cairo, 
 Egypt. 
  Did you know that? 
  
  The belief that giving the Palestinians a state will bring peace 
 is 
  a delusion. 
  
  Unless the Arabs recognize and accept these truths, even if they 
 are 
  given a state of their own, and no matter how many agreements 
and 
  treaties they sign, they will always feel wronged, cheated, and 
  forced into giving up what they now claim is theirs. They will 
  continue to plot and look for an opportunity to destroy Israel 
in 
  order to take back what they claim is theirs, especially the 
 younger 
  generation that has been brainwashed to hate the occupying 
 enemy. 
  Whether there is a Palestinian state or not, there will be no 
 peace. 
  
  Only a massive and ongoing re-education of the Arab people to 
 these 
  truths will enable meaningful negotiations to begin, followed by 
a 
  lasting peace between Arabs and Jews. It is therefore critical 
 that 
  everyone who has an audience, whether in print or other media, 
use 
  the forum they have available to repeat these truths again and 
 again 
  until they reach the consciousness of those waging war in the 
 Middle 
  East
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[FairfieldLife] Palestine/ Philistia

The name that was given to the region was Philistia and the people
were known as the Phillistines, hence the name Palestine

After being repulsed by the Egyptians, they occupied the coastal
plain of Palestine from Joppa (modern Tel AvivYafo) southward to
the Gaza Strip. The area contained the five cities (the Pentapolis)
of the Philistine confederacy (Gaza, Ashkelon [Ascalon], Ashdod,
Gath, and Ekron) and was known as Philistia, or the Land of the
Philistines. It was from this designation that the whole of the
country was later called Palestine by the Greeks. 
---Encyclopedia Brittanica

The British called the country they mandated in 1917 Palestine.
The League of Nations called it Palestine. The Arabs living there
were referred to as Palestinian Arabs, the Jews living there were
referred to as Jewish Palestinians, even by themselves. Even the 
jews living there called the region Palestine for centuries or 
longer.

Map of the 1917 British Mandate called Palestine by the British,
French, Jews, Arabs, and the Americans fo the time, later
called Palestine by the League of Nations (UN)

http://tinyurl.com/kj6qe

In 1922, the British declared that the boundary of Palestine would 
be limited to the area west of the river. The area east of the 
river, called Transjordan (now Jordan), was made a separate British 
mandate and eventually given independence (See map at right) . A 
part of the Zionist movement felt betrayed at losing a large area of 
what they termed historic Palestine to Transjordan, and split off 
to form the Revisionist movement, headed by Benjamin Vladimir 
(Ze'ev) Jabotinsky. 
http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine







In a message dated 7/24/06 9:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You 
  have been brainwashed. The British called the country they mandated in 
  1917 "Palestine". The League of Nations called it "Palestine". The Arabs 
  living there were referred to as Palestinian Arabs, the Jews living there 
  were referred to as Jewish Palestinians, even by themselves.You are 
  brainwashed and of low education.Map of the 1917 British Mandate 
  called "Palestine" by the British, French, Jews, Arabs, and the Americans 
  fo the time, later called "Palestine" by the League of Nations 
  (UN)Look at the map redneck. Do you see Isreal written anywhere on 
  there?http://tinyurl.com/kj6qeGet 
  an education.OffWorld

And it never was a Palestinian nation only a Palestinian Region. Trans 
Jordan was the original intended Homeland for the Palestinian Arab.History of Israel and Palestine 
in VERY Easy To Understand Maps 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

2006-07-24 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  no_reply@ wrote:
  
   The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English Palestine is 
   ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by 
   Herodotus who wrote of the district of Syria, called 
  Palaistinêi. 
   The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly 
   stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy 
  also 
   used the term. In Latin, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that 
   was formerly called Palaestina when describing the eastern 
 coast 
   of the Mediterranean.
   
   Roman times
   As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (6673), Titus sacked 
   Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the 
  Western 
   Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar 
   Kokhba in 132135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews 
  from 
   Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the 
  Galilee. 
   He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) 
  to 
   Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the 
  now 
   conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological 
   warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem 
 to 
   Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the 
   name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then 
  had 
   become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History
   
   OffWorld
  
  
  
  
  There are people who deny that Nazi Germany killed millions of 
 Jews -
  - the claim that there never was a Palestine is on a moral and 
  intellectual par, by people who think that this big lie makes the 
  Zionist land grab an OK thing. 
  
  The victors of WWII forced Israel on the Arab world at a time when 
  those countries were weak, poor, and disorganized -- sooner or 
 later
  the Arab peoples will be organized enough to reassert control over 
  Palestine, no matter how much blood and money the U.S. and Israel 
  are willing to spend. 
  
  Zionism is really just trying to put the toothpaste back in the 
  tube, and it ain't gonna work. Europeans took over North America 
  primarily because disease killed 90% of the indigenous population, 
  but Israel's 5 million Jews are vastly outnumbered  and that math 
 is 
  never going to change in Israel's favor. It's entirely 
  understandable that the Jews of Europe would seek a place where 
 Jews 
  could live without pogroms, but Israel is not that place and never 
  will be. If humans were capable of reason (and of course they are 
  not, the situation is hopeless until human consciousness is more 
  expanded), then another homeland for the Jews would be found, 
  instead of a place that will be a super-pogrom for them and their  
  neighbors.
 
 Bob that's only in your twisted mind.
 
 The land of Israel was always the Jew's land. It's true that Jews 
 were driven away from the land to
 whatever extent, and yes it's also true that others occupied it but 
 there always were Jews their. 
 Zionism is a return of rest of the Jews to their birth right land.


Now... Who says it is their birth right land?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/24/06 9:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 You  have been brainwashed. 
 
 The British called the country they mandated in  1917 Palestine. 
 The League of Nations called it Palestine. The Arabs  living 
there 
 were referred to as Palestinian Arabs, the Jews living there  were 
 referred to as Jewish Palestinians, even by themselves.
 You are  brainwashed and of low education.
 
 Map of the 1917 British Mandate  called Palestine by the 
British, 
 French, Jews, Arabs, and the Americans  fo the time, later 
 called Palestine by the League of Nations  (UN)
 Look at the map redneck. Do you see Isreal written anywhere on  
there?
 _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/kj6qe) 
 
 Get  an education.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 And it never was a Palestinian nation only a Palestinian Region. 
Trans  
 Jordan was the original intended Homeland for the Palestinian 
Arab._History of 
 Israel and Palestine  in VERY Easy To Understand Maps_ 
 (http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html)

Palestine/ Philistia 


The name that was given to the region was Philistia and the people
were known as the Phillistines, hence the name Palestine

After being repulsed by the Egyptians, they occupied the coastal
plain of Palestine from Joppa (modern Tel AvivYafo) southward to
the Gaza Strip. The area contained the five cities (the Pentapolis)
of the Philistine confederacy (Gaza, Ashkelon [Ascalon], Ashdod,
Gath, and Ekron) and was known as Philistia, or the Land of the
Philistines. It was from this designation that the whole of the
country was later called Palestine by the Greeks. 
---Encyclopedia Brittanica

The British called the country they mandated in 1917 Palestine.
The League of Nations called it Palestine. The Arabs living there
were referred to as Palestinian Arabs, the Jews living there were
referred to as Jewish Palestinians, even by themselves. Even the
jews living there called the region Palestine for centuries or
longer.

Map of the 1917 British Mandate called Palestine by the British,
French, Jews, Arabs, and the Americans fo the time, later
called Palestine by the League of Nations (UN)

http://tinyurl.com/kj6qe

In 1922, the British declared that the boundary of Palestine would
be limited to the area west of the river. The area east of the
river, called Transjordan (now Jordan), was made a separate British
mandate and eventually given independence (See map at right) . A
part of the Zionist movement felt betrayed at losing a large area of
what they termed historic Palestine to Transjordan, and split off
to form the Revisionist movement, headed by Benjamin Vladimir
(Ze'ev) Jabotinsky.
http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm






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In a message dated 7/24/06 10:02:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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If the 
  Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why 
  invent an imaginary people? The answer is, the myth of the Palestinian 
  people serves as the justification for the Arab occupation of the Land of 
  Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their 
  own (more than any other people on earth) and control a land mass 800 
  times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for 
  them. They therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only 
  country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many people 
  ignorant of the history of the region, including much of the world media, 
  are only too willing to help.Yehezkel Bin-Nun 
2002

It was always an Arab/ Israeli conflict until the sixties then it was 
repackaged into an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to gain sympathy for the Arab 
cause to drive Israel into the sea.
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[FairfieldLife] What to do about Scientology

2006-07-24 Thread qntmpkt

--- 
what to do about Scientology:
http://www.tinyurl.com/z5yrz

and Pee Wee Herman misses his bike ride:

http://www.tinyurl.com/r5e25

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[FairfieldLife] Dibs

2006-07-24 Thread new . morning

Curtis:
Did you just call dibs on Maria? Damn!


Yea. But there are a number of other hot russian tennis players in top
50 in the world. 

http://elenahttp://www.myskina.com/
http://www.myskina.com/
http://www.dhantuchova.com/indexEN.html
http://www.dinarasafina.com/
http://www.xs4all.nl/~martenws/kirilenko/
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=310623
http://www.advantage-tennis.com/zvonareva/index.php
http://www.hicelebs.com/gallery/elena_vensnina/4.html

John Lennon was right:

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
They Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, come on
Hu Hey Hu, hey, ah, yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are, boys
Back in the USSR

Oh, show me round your snow peaked
mountain way down south
Take me to you daddy's farm
Let me hear you balalaika's ringing out
Come and keep your comrade warm
I'm back in the USSR
Hey, You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the USSR











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/24/06 10:02:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 If the  Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question 
 becomes Why? Why  invent an imaginary people? The answer is, the 
 myth of the Palestinian  people serves as the justification for 
the 
 Arab occupation of the Land of  Israel. While the Arabs already 
 possess 21 sovereign countries of their  own (more than any other 
 people on earth) and control a land mass 800  times the size of 
the 
 Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for  them. They 
 therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only  
 country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many 
 people  ignorant of the history of the region, including much of 
the 
 world media,  are only too willing to help.
 
 Yehezkel Bin-Nun  2002
 
 
 
 It was always an Arab/ Israeli conflict until the sixties then it 
was  
 repackaged into an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to gain sympathy 
for the Arab  
 cause to drive Israel into the sea.


Ditto.







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