[FairfieldLife] Oh, you know all the words and you've sung all the notes, but...
Edg, this one's for you, written last night, but my battery ran out before I could send it then... I know you're sensitive, and that possibly some part of you felt blown off by my I'm bored with the subject line. So I'm taking the time to explain what I mean by that and why it's not just a brush-off line. I live for two things -- writing and having really good conversations. For me, a good conversation is one in which the subject flows (in a Taoist sense) rather than sticks to the way that the subject started. I know that this is not everyone's idea of a good time, and I'm doing my best these days to remember that and respect that everyone is different. But what I get off on are the conversations in which someone says something on the subject, and the other person takes that idea and uses it as a kind of springy diving board, bouncing on it a couple of times to get the feel of it, but then taking the original subject and turning it into a triple gainer with a full twist. That is to say, taking it off the subject. But not really. The original subject sparked an idea in the other person, an idea that he or she could *relate* to something in his or her life. And so, rather than stick to the subject, the other person takes it off in a slightly different direction. The river branches. Those around the table who prefer the original subject continue to follow it. But those who prefer the new tributary branch go off with it and follow it for a while. Needless to say, I almost always follow the tributaries. But interestingly, I find that they often lead right back to the original subject. Sorta the way this story is going to, no matter how many infuriating non- sequiturial asides I subject you to. :-) I also love to write. I mean, it's pathological. You know those computer programmers who code all day and then go home and relax by sitting in front of another computer and play games till the wee hours of the evening? That's me, with regard to writing. I'm in Paris this week, not Sitges. It's the last grueling week of a long software project, and it made more sense to be here at the center of the cyclone than far away. So all day today -- and this is deadline time, so today in this case means 11 hours straight, not breaking for lunch -- I've been sitting at my computer, writing. And so what do I do to relax? Before even going to dinner? I come to this cafe and write. Because I met someone tonight and had a neat conversation of sorts with him and I want to springboard from the subject we had been discussing here on FFL to the subject I discussed with him, and then back to the subject of Fairfield Life again, somehow trying to tie it all together. This is my idea of a fun thing to do on a Monday night in Paris. Go figure. So anyway, here goes... Tonight I met a hedgehog. Really. I'd never even seen one before, except in a zoo, but I walked out of the offices in Gentilly around 8:30 and there he was on the sidewalk. He was WAY cute. Only about six inches long, this tiny ball of slow-moving fur, staring out at the busy street in front of him and pondering a variant of the chicken-and-the-road koan -- What is the sound of one hedgehog as slow-moving as I am being squished as I try to cross this road? But it really looked as if he was going to try it anyway, so I spent some time trying to talk him out of it. He was very shy, and basically curled up in a ball at first. Hedgehogs are basically like tiny porcupines; they've very passive- agressive in their approach to survival. Like porucpines, hedgehogs are covered with pointy spines that make them basically inedible by most predators. So they just curl up and wait for the predator to go away. I didn't go away. I really *liked* the little guy, and I didn't want him to get squished. So I sat down on the side- walk there and talked to him -- or rather at him -- for a while, trying to get him to accept me a little. The talk didn't work. It took feeding him a few cracker crumbs from my backpack for him to loosen up and figure out that I wasn't going to try to eat him. After he did, and I'd tried a few experiments in picking him up by the spines and realized that *that* wasn't going to happen, what I settled on was taking my laptop out of the backpack and coaxing him to climb up on it. He did, I carried him across the street and set him down in the park he had been trying to get to, and we parted company. But as I was walking away an old Incredible String Band song (that Rick, if no one else here does, will recognize) popped into my head. And that made me laugh out loud. The words go something like: This funny little hedgehog Comes running up to me And it starts to sing me this song: Oh, you know all the words And you've sung all the notes But you never once learned The songs you sung I can tell by the sadness in your eye That you never guite learned the song. At the end of forty-some years on the spiritual path, the things
[FairfieldLife] Oh, you know all the words and you've sung all
Barry writes snipped: So please don't take offense if you're still way into a subject and want to pursue it and I don't want to play. It's only that I've used the original subject as inspiration and am now off up some tributary that seems more interesting to me. And I'm probably up there without a paddle, but I'm having fun. TomT: Loved your piece and your love of writing shines through clearly. It kind of reminded me of the saying that you can not stand in the river of time. It keeps on moving. We all do. Your work is appreciated from this end. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: What a great movie!!!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rabia lundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello dear ones, Found a movie explaining our relationship to God and each other in a super pedagogical way. After seeing this movie all my theological question marks were straightened out. What a tool! (and FREE to watch) (-: http://theomegashift.com/video.html Love, Rabia Many thanks, Rabia! Despite and/or because of the oddly endearing Romper-Room-style presentation, I found this to be one of the clearest Understandings transmissions any of my particles (mini- me's) are currently giving of ourselves and Me (maxi-me) :-) *Love*Light*Laughter* __ __ Shape Yahoo! -n your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Just curious...
...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh, you know all the words and you've sung all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry writes snipped: So please don't take offense if you're still way into a subject and want to pursue it and I don't want to play. It's only that I've used the original subject as inspiration and am now off up some tributary that seems more interesting to me. And I'm probably up there without a paddle, but I'm having fun. TomT: Loved your piece and your love of writing shines through clearly. It kind of reminded me of the saying that you can not stand in the river of time. It keeps on moving. We all do. Your work is appreciated from this end. Tom Thanks, Tom. But it's not really work, it's play. Writing this was what I did to unwind from a long, hectic day on an out-of-control software project. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Trikkes
I've uploaded another trikking video. I think this video really shows the free flowingness of trikking, and how much a trikker has to move to be in harmony with the Trikke. http://youtube.com/watch?v=eVnfWtMVkC8 Watch my shadow being fresh born and alive and carvingjust like all of us...seemingly having a soul. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick: So what is that thing? Who invented it? Can it go forward at a decent speed, or is it just good for fooling around in circles? Ed: I've posted hundreds of times about trikking on trikking Web sites. A Trikke is a very deep metaphor with very wide applications. Easy to see the Trikke as a spiritual program, or even as a Master, for instance. I can get up to about 15MPH comfortably for at least a few miles, cruise for hours at about 10MPH, and climb up to a 17% grade hill. One can carve a three foot wide sidewalk, or do huge 20 foot wide swaths of Doom. It's all fun. Here's me doing about 10 - 15 MPH going up a 12% hill and back down: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbXRXYxo-Zk Also, I do dozens and dozens of tricks on the Trikke -- but most of the tricks are too subtle for a non-trikker to really appreciate. Going down a curb, for instance, takes more than just a dollop of courage when one is first learning it, and it's not learned with a few attempts -- takes 50 - 100 times before one can just go down a curb without intense mindfulness of the action. And there's many ways to go down a curb -- some very artistic, some very athletic. Like that the Trikke, for four years, has had me out there every day nuancing my skill set. In the above video, you'll see me jump over a speedbump -- nothing but net. That took a lot of practice, let me tell ya, yet, it's almost nothing to the casual observer who has probably seen skateboarders etc. do such amazing things, but, if you want your heart in your throat, try jumping a speedbump with a Trikke for the first time. The emotional thrill of trikking is an all time reality, and one can jack it up or tamp it down at will by changing one's carving style. Risk management is a constant palpable dynamic. One chooses amount of risk as much as one chooses amount of effort being expended. This makes the Trikke into an artist's tool. How one dances around a neighborhood with a Trikke is different every time. Every day means any day above 20 degrees with dry surfaces available. And additionally on many days below zero, or with slush everywhere but enough islands of dry to trikke from one traction area to another. Like that -- gotta trikke! I can't think about the Trikke without wanting to get on one NOW. It's buttah! Discuss amongst yourselves. I use my Trikke mostly around the neighborhood, but I'd say, most trikkers like to get out there and carve for serious distances -- 5 -15 miles in a session. I like to do about five to ten miles a day futzing around locally, but one guy trikked across the United States, then did Europe, and now he's doing the United States again. Other folks have done over 100 miles in a day, and one guy did 350 miles NON-STOP over, say, 36 hours of trikking. So the Trikke will be to you what you want it to be when it comes to having fun getting fit. I can just carve my driveway and be in a desperate, out of breath, 170 heart beats per minute, drenched in sweat state in FIVE MINUTES FLAT if I really put the oomph into my carves. Aerobically and weight-training-wise -- I just cannot think of any machine that can get one as fit across so many muscle groups with so little stress on the body. Anyone who can think a thought can meditate, and anyone who can walk can learn to trikke. Walking is always falling, right? Twenty minutes a day three times a week will be more than anyone needs to stay fit, and 20 minutes EVERY DAY will be the minimal addiction to trikking if one gets into the poetry of it. Gotta have it. It's dancing -- see Fred Astaire's dance with the coat rack. http://youtube.com/watch?v=xbBdgSnPkGI A full body workout with almost zero impact on joints. I've lost over 50 pounds of fat and put back on, say, 10 - 15 pounds of muscle. My love handles are almost gone now despite still being about 30 pounds overweight. Trikking impact core bigtime. I lose weight immediately if I diet and do my normal trikking. Just gotta stop shoving goop into my pie hole, but sighthe Trikke doesn't teach one that skill. I burn about 400 calories in a 30 minute session, and, sheesh, that's merely a soft drink and a bag of chips worth. Easy to shovel it in, but at least trikking has upped my metabolism and I can actually eat quite a lot without gaining weight. Not that I would ever do such a thing of course. Ahem. Observers are hard pressed to tell how it works when first encountering trikking. It looks like almost no effort is being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh, you know all the words and you've sung all the notes, but...
Good post Turq. And I will use this as a springboard to some thoughts that occurred to me. The main set of thoughts your post invoked have to do with other than opinion being expressed. Or grossly inaccurate information being expressed as an opinion. I don't have a strong opinion yet on where good markers are -- by which I will try to post. But here are some extreme examples. What are just opinions where no correction is called for. Though someone might offer up that they have an different opinion than yours. HYPOTHETICALLY, if some ones states the following as their opinion, when if ever is any thing more than I have a different opinion, here it is is warranted. Mr Opinionated HYPOTHETICALLY states, AS HIS OPINION: 1) Americans never landed on the moon, it was a hoax. 2) The Holocaust never happened 3) All pakastanis are liars. 4) GWBush is the greatest president ever. 5) Global Warming is a hoax and will never happen. 6) A large majority of scientists tend to oconcur on the large body o scientific studies over 20 years that indicate that global warming has a greater than 95% chance of occuring at levels that will effect over 100 million people significantly and adversely. 7) Lost sucks. 8) You lied 9) Even if it was a lie, i didn't intend it as a lie so its ok. 10) 2+2 = 5 11) the sun revolves around the earth 12) The Theory of Evolution is bogus an a pack of lies REMEMBER these are HYPOTHETICALLY statements by an ficticious figure. these are NOT my opinions. Which of the above are pure opinions in which no correction is warranted or polite? Rather if one has a different opinion they should state it as such. Only. And that there are no grounds to try to correct the other's opinion (if it indeed is pure opinion)? *** Another thought stemming from your post: One of which is that I heartily agree that others posts at time create great springboards, an I often jump askew of the post. To some this seems to be confusing, or even an insult. When going out on my own tangent, I have been reprimanded for doing so in that paraphrasing, its common knowledge in WWW etiquette that its not proper to respond to a post without responding to the posters topic. A response that has totally puzzled me, but I can see the essence of it. It occurs to me sometimes, I write something, someone responds way of track (my initial misview) aka their own tangent (more the reality) and I have thought, or sometimes written, WTF, I didn't imply THAT This seems to be one of several sources of misunderstandings, sometimes leading to personal insults. My opinion: it might be useful to make such a transition explicit. I am going to try to do that. -- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, this one's for you, written last night, but my battery ran out before I could send it then... I know you're sensitive, and that possibly some part of you felt blown off by my I'm bored with the subject line. So I'm taking the time to explain what I mean by that and why it's not just a brush-off line. I live for two things -- writing and having really good conversations. For me, a good conversation is one in which the subject flows (in a Taoist sense) rather than sticks to the way that the subject started. I know that this is not everyone's idea of a good time, and I'm doing my best these days to remember that and respect that everyone is different. But what I get off on are the conversations in which someone says something on the subject, and the other person takes that idea and uses it as a kind of springy diving board, bouncing on it a couple of times to get the feel of it, but then taking the original subject and turning it into a triple gainer with a full twist. That is to say, taking it off the subject. But not really. The original subject sparked an idea in the other person, an idea that he or she could *relate* to something in his or her life. And so, rather than stick to the subject, the other person takes it off in a slightly different direction. The river branches. Those around the table who prefer the original subject continue to follow it. But those who prefer the new tributary branch go off with it and follow it for a while. Needless to say, I almost always follow the tributaries. But interestingly, I find that they often lead right back to the original subject. Sorta the way this story is going to, no matter how many infuriating non- sequiturial asides I subject you to. :-) I also love to write. I mean, it's pathological. You know those computer programmers who code all day and then go home and relax by sitting in front of another computer and play games till the wee hours of the evening? That's me, with regard to writing. I'm in Paris this week, not Sitges. It's the last grueling week of a long software project, and it made more sense to be here at the center
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh, you know all the words and you've sung all the notes, but...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good post Turq. And I will use this as a springboard to some thoughts that occurred to me. The main set of thoughts your post invoked have to do with other than opinion being expressed. Or grossly inaccurate information being expressed as an opinion. I don't have a strong opinion yet on where good markers are -- by which I will try to post. But here are some extreme examples. What are just opinions where no correction is called for. Though someone might offer up that they have an different opinion than yours. HYPOTHETICALLY, if some ones states the following as their opinion, when if ever is any thing more than I have a different opinion, here it is is warranted. Mr Opinionated HYPOTHETICALLY states, AS HIS OPINION: 1) Americans never landed on the moon, it was a hoax. 2) The Holocaust never happened 3) All pakastanis are liars. 4) GWBush is the greatest president ever. 5) Global Warming is a hoax and will never happen. 6) A large majority of scientists tend to oconcur on the large body o scientific studies over 20 years that indicate that global warming has a greater than 95% chance of occuring at levels that will effect over 100 million people significantly and adversely. 7) Lost sucks. 8) You lied 9) Even if it was a lie, i didn't intend it as a lie so its ok. 10) 2+2 = 5 11) the sun revolves around the earth 12) The Theory of Evolution is bogus an a pack of lies REMEMBER these are HYPOTHETICALLY statements by an ficticious figure. these are NOT my opinions. Which of the above are pure opinions in which no correction is warranted or polite? I'll take the time to answer, since you seem to have put so much thought into the question: I DON'T CARE. The keyword in your blurb above is warranted. Warranted is in the eye of the beholder. If someone reads an opinion of mine and wants to present a different one, that's his business. If others want to present a contrary one, that's their business. If someone wants to go postal and get all critical about my opinion, that's their business. Not mine. I am under no obligation to respond to *any* of the above responses to some opinion of mine that I post. The original opinion stands on its own. I may choose to reply, if I want to. But *only* if I want to. I am under no obligation to anyone here to respond to their posts, just because they expect a response. If they get their noses bent out of shape because I don't respond, that too is their business. Rather if one has a different opinion they should state it as such. Only. And that there are no grounds to try to correct the other's opinion (if it indeed is pure opinion)? Clearly, some folks are under the impression that their opinion *equals* truth or even Truth, and if they get off on that fantasy, I wish them well with it. I am under no more obligation to respond to it. It's their business, not mine. *** Another thought stemming from your post: One of which is that I heartily agree that others posts at time create great springboards, an I often jump askew of the post. To some this seems to be confusing, or even an insult. Again, that's their business. Or limitation, however you choose to see it. I merely stated how I approach discussions. Others are free to approach them however they want, within the FFL guidelines. When going out on my own tangent, I have been reprimanded for doing so in that paraphrasing, its common knowledge in WWW etiquette that its not proper to respond to a post without responding to the posters topic. It's also common knowledge that America has the highest standard of living in the world, and that's a crock of shit. :-) Crocks of shit tend to proliferate, many of them called common knowledge. A response that has totally puzzled me, but I can see the essence of it. It occurs to me sometimes, I write something, someone responds way of track (my initial misview) aka their own tangent (more the reality) and I have thought, or sometimes written, WTF, I didn't imply THAT This seems to be one of several sources of misunderstandings, sometimes leading to personal insults. My opinion: it might be useful to make such a transition explicit. I am going to try to do that. Whatever floats your boat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly! It looks like something Liberace would have used as a suppository.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
Bling! --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthetic life skeptics...
Here's evidence that home-grown discoveries can make main-stream scientific news. Not as interesting as Synthetic Life, but incredible nevertheless. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156268,00.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296395,00.html Jeff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, My main problem with your presentation is that there is simply no way for you to get from Readers' Point A to Jeff's Point B. It seems there is a way -- it's America and everyone has a chance to win the gold ring, but in fact, it just isn't easy to shake up the world's beliefs. Consider Robert Bussard -- this scientist's attempt to show his concept and get funding and serious attention is a deep lesson for us all, but you especially. Why? Because Bussard has credentials up the yinyang, and he is nonetheless struggling to get funding for his invention. http://tinyurl.com/2c22az On this page, you'll see a link to a video presentation by Bussard. Watch and weep. He presents an iron clad all we need is a bit of money idea that really kicks ass, but even so, he must grind and struggle to get his baby welcomed by the scientific establishment. I cannot think that anyone posting here would have the background to say whether Bussard should be funded or not, but don't miss the point that this video's standards of presentation is exactly what you, Jeff, should aim for. And even then, you're going to struggle -- even more than Bussard has to because you're not a part of the establishment, and you're making claims far far far more astounding than Bussard. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Cook jnoelcook@ wrote: Edg, It just occured to me tonight how hopelessly naive I have been about something: how difficult it would be to believe the validity of my experiments and the videos with all the nonsense we are fed daily on both the Internet and the Television. It just seems that many have just learned to not believe anything, even when they are looking right at it. I admit, I would be the same. But you made very good comments and I don't think perhaps I responded in the best way. Maybe I didn't explain the answers to your questions. Can you give me a mental picture of how you felt about the demonstration and what I could do better. I really want to move this discovery along, but I do not think I can do this without feedback. So...can you give me a little more feedback, in terms of constructive advice of anyone's ideas as to how to handle this? And I would welcome if from anyone else too...even Mord. ;) Jeff
[FairfieldLife] Rick -- a flaming has definitely happened (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines
Duveyoung wrote: Could you elaborate on why you questioned the word yokel. Yokel? What's a yokel?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick -- a flaming has definitely happened (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:47 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick -- a flaming has definitely happened (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines Duveyoung wrote: Could you elaborate on why you questioned the word yokel. Yokel? What's a yokel? Cool name for a rock band: “The Flaming Yokels” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 5:43 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthetic life skeptics...
Edg, Yes, there are many problems with the videos. If I had any other resources available, I could have solved many of them. Even with that, I chose not to script my dialogue. I wanted everyone to see that very few things were planned, except the solution preparation. But to get from Readers' Point A to Jeff's Point B, that is infinitely relative for the reader. A number of people have written me, chemists and chemistry students who were astounded. These are people who know what is possible but are simply missing a few details to make it possible for themselves. Individuals who have no understanding of the chemistry of life will find it impossible to grasp from the videos alone. As far as shaking up world beliefs, you're right. But the world needs to catch up, and quickly, as I am not stopping with this. It will be thrown at them very soon and they can either stand in confusion and frustration, or they can catch up quickly. This has happened many times in the past with drastic world belief changing, such as the world being round, the Earth not being the center of the universe and the like. But I understand your perspective on the difficulties ahead with this. But I can be quite resourceful if in a desperate enough situation. I and my wife want this house in Indiana on the lake. We will get it one way or another, as living at my mom's is not an option. We want a family and we will get it one way or another. I am choosing to sidestep the scientific community on a whole with paper submission to journals and the like, as I've been down that road with my Riemann Hypothesis Proof (that carries a million dollar prize, which nobody wants anyone else to win), as well as other inventions and scientific discoveries I've made over the years. To date no one is giving me credit, even as I watch the experiments repeated by fully creditialed institutes months or years later after I discovered it who give absolutely no reference to me who discovered it earlier and reported it to scientists on the Internet. They make the press, which leads to their further funding and prestige. But I have been patient with this to date. I'll give you an example of my take on resourcefulness. One time I was driving my car from Phoenix to Toledo when it overheated in the desert mountains and blew a gasket. Well, I was stranded with no cell phone and no water or food. I felt like I hit a brick wall, as something was stopping me from leaving so it seemed. So, in desperation, I started walking in the direction of Toledo, as cars whizzed by not even slowing. I said to myself, I am not going to worry the least bit; if no one stops by to come to my aid before I reach my wit's end, I will simply start a desert fire and stop all the traffic. Of course I'd be arrested, but at least I'd be safe and I would survive. I will not be ignored if it costs my life needs. Now my life needs are a bit different. I have $70 to my name to last me until next week to provide my wife and I food, but we are content. So, I have passed on my discovery to the world via the Internet and I will give it one week for at least someone to step forward and begin to talk of the future research in one way or another. All I want is simply to begin discussions on how to take this discovery to the next step. If this does not happen, then I guess I will move on to Plan B. Now Plan B is far off from any desperation, such as the desert fire analogy. But every brick wall I hit, I get more resourceful. I will start applying for jobs at gas stations and/or grocery stores over the next week...a horrible break from my successful careers of the past. But I want to remain un- contented. As long as I am not content, I can keep pushing this discovery forward all the more, knowing somehow that it needs to be the source that will give my wife and I a decent life. That's all I'm working for, and it will happen...one way or another. Now, Robert Bussard is one of many other stories who disappear into the realm of science fiction. It is a hopeless injustice. However, I bet he is content with his life not to push as hard as I. Besides, it's easier for me to develop my experiments than he. It costs me virtually nothing to acquire all the ingredients to my solution. In the meantime, I have made a cleaner version or Absolute Black. It is not longer black at all, but pink. It works even better as a massage solution. It jump starts seratonin levels, helps one sleep and relax and heals the skin in very effective ways. I don't need to market or sell this. It's a free medicine for me and my family. Everyone else simply is at loss...by their own choice. So, I realize I am sounding like a prick right now. I'm just sharing my POV. I have no means to present this discovery to the scientific community on their's or anyone else's terms, each change I make costs me money I do not have. So what
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bling! --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly! You don't think that those pandit ringtones will bring world peace, eh ? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly! Looks like something for someone looking to unload excess cash (like the Robin William's joke about cocaine is God's way of telling you that you have too much money...), though the one thing I like about it is that it does move the look of our techno devices away from the standard grey, black, white and putty colors. I have the same model phone as pictured, without the bling, but with a red case instead.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthetic life skeptics...
Alex, Very cool. But honestly, if I had $100, I use it to buy food. Besides, from my experience, as soon as I'd post anything from that microscope people would then jump on the fact that they include software to add special effects and the ability to manipulate the images. I think this would just complicate things further at his point. But thanks for the link. I added it to my favorites. Jeff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey N Cook jnoelcook@ wrote: Well, then how would I film it? Here's a $100 method to film it with a PC at up to 200x magnification: http://digiblue.com/digital_blue/qx5.html Besides, isn't it more eye-opening to be able to see things occur with the naked eye? I mean, I understand that you want a closer look, and I will indeed provide that in time when I somehow aquire the proper film equipment for that. But isn't this at least a good start and a reasonable demonstration? Maybe it actually is more impressive literally with the naked eye. As in actually being in the room, seeing the stuff up close with the naked eye. However, the view from the 'net, on YouTube, is far less impressive. There's no way to determine from those videos that the stuff in the container is a lifeform. But please, this is great to know what other's are expecting. I didn't think that would be one. Alright, what else? Jeff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Use a microscope instead of a videocam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthetic life skeptics...
You should request the National Science Foundation for a grant to carry on your work. They should be interested in funding your work since it is related to synthetic life or artificial life. A few weeks ago, there was an article in Reuters that other scientists are developing methods to create life from basic chemical compounds. These scientists believe that they are in the verge of a new discovery for creating life. This brings us to the next question if this new life can fit in to the world ecological balance, or natural law. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey N Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, Very cool. But honestly, if I had $100, I use it to buy food. Besides, from my experience, as soon as I'd post anything from that microscope people would then jump on the fact that they include software to add special effects and the ability to manipulate the images. I think this would just complicate things further at his point. But thanks for the link. I added it to my favorites. Jeff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey N Cook jnoelcook@ wrote: Well, then how would I film it? Here's a $100 method to film it with a PC at up to 200x magnification: http://digiblue.com/digital_blue/qx5.html Besides, isn't it more eye-opening to be able to see things occur with the naked eye? I mean, I understand that you want a closer look, and I will indeed provide that in time when I somehow aquire the proper film equipment for that. But isn't this at least a good start and a reasonable demonstration? Maybe it actually is more impressive literally with the naked eye. As in actually being in the room, seeing the stuff up close with the naked eye. However, the view from the 'net, on YouTube, is far less impressive. There's no way to determine from those videos that the stuff in the container is a lifeform. But please, this is great to know what other's are expecting. I didn't think that would be one. Alright, what else? Jeff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Use a microscope instead of a videocam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Policy and updated guidelines
jstein wrote: I'd ask Barry to provide examples to the contrary, but there wouldn't be any point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143310 No, the above is what I actually wrote, citing Wilber, and showing you to be a liar. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143497 As you know, Willytex, what I was calling Barry's fantasy was *not* that Lenz had levitated. Liar that you are, you omitted the context to make it seem that I had. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140399 Your team of profligate liars and racketeers lost in '06 and continues to lose. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143504 Horseshit. Classics from the alt.m.t. Groove Yard http://tinyurl.com/74d95 From Judy Stein to Willytex: Liar. No, liar. Wrong, liar. Bite me, toots. Non sequitur, liar. Yes, it does, liar. Willytex is a liar. No, she did not, liar. Yeah, it's a non sequitur. As usual, Willytex is the liar. Outright, deliberate falsehood. Bob Dole is a liar, just like you. Another right-winger bent on deception. You've been lying your head off for months. And that's just an outright, deliberate falsehood. You snipped the context to obscure that fact, liar. Boy, do you need a course in the fundamentals of logic. His opinion about the general usage here of the term liar is also incorrect, in my observation. It's rare that someone is called a liar for merely expressing an opinion about someone else. If it does happen, it's likely to be because the person using the term knows that the person expressing the opinion has evidence that clearly documents the inaccuracy of that opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Rick: ANOTHER FLAMING POST (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines)
Rick, Er, after a hundred posts from folks who seemed to agree to warn then penalize someone for flaming, I would think that you'd have warned Willy for his previous post. Now the one below seems to go way over the top into very obvious flaming. Are you going to do this warn-then-ban bit? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: I'd ask Barry to provide examples to the contrary, but there wouldn't be any point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143310 No, the above is what I actually wrote, citing Wilber, and showing you to be a liar. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143497 As you know, Willytex, what I was calling Barry's fantasy was *not* that Lenz had levitated. Liar that you are, you omitted the context to make it seem that I had. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140399 Your team of profligate liars and racketeers lost in '06 and continues to lose. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143504 Horseshit. Classics from the alt.m.t. Groove Yard http://tinyurl.com/74d95 From Judy Stein to Willytex: Liar. No, liar. Wrong, liar. Bite me, toots. Non sequitur, liar. Yes, it does, liar. Willytex is a liar. No, she did not, liar. Yeah, it's a non sequitur. As usual, Willytex is the liar. Outright, deliberate falsehood. Bob Dole is a liar, just like you. Another right-winger bent on deception. You've been lying your head off for months. And that's just an outright, deliberate falsehood. You snipped the context to obscure that fact, liar. Boy, do you need a course in the fundamentals of logic. His opinion about the general usage here of the term liar is also incorrect, in my observation. It's rare that someone is called a liar for merely expressing an opinion about someone else. If it does happen, it's likely to be because the person using the term knows that the person expressing the opinion has evidence that clearly documents the inaccuracy of that opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Pete wrote: Vaj is making quite a funny when he writes Axis II TM/TMSP Practioner disorder. Symptoms include: A paranoid dislike of onions and garlic Bob Brigante wrote: My guess is that celibates are recommended a diet free of garlic/onions, but for householders, it does not make much difference. MAPI discusses the issue of bad foods, under the heading of behavioural rasayana http://www.mapi.com/en/newsletters/ayurvedic_behavioral_rasayanas.html Tamasic foods are the opposite of saatvic - they break down the coordination between mind and body and inhibit the experience of pure consciousness. They create darkness rather than light. Tamasic foods include alcohol, garlic, onions, red meat, leftovers, and packaged foods, which have little life force. Anyone who wishes to practice Achara (Behavioural) Rasayana should avoid them. *** An interesting contradiction, since MAPI sells Garlic Ghee, and publishes recipes that list garlic and onions as ingredients. I believe mushrooms also used to be on the tamasic list -- I wonder why they don't list them here? Maybe because one type of mushroom (Cordyceps) is now being recommended?
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris, New Article
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[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris, Nature article
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
Pete, it is also called tic doloroux (I might have spelled this incorrectly). They call it a tic only becaue when the pain hits, the person winces and can jerk - looks as if you are ticcing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, what do you know, I suffer occasionally from the same thing. Never knew it had a name. Mine's in the lower left jaw behind the jaw joint. Have it several times a year. An ice pick of the most excruciating pain turning on and off for a few minutes. Few times a year. If I don't get enough sleep it occurs. Not a nice experience at all. Wayback, you and I have it at the same frequency. And Jason, sorry to hear that you have this. Most unpleasant. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, I have the quick bursts of pain of trigeminal neuropathy about 3 times a year, for just a few seconds. They always occur along the left side of my neck/jaw. The pain is intense,, but thankfully brief. If you have this often, I can only imagine how awful that must be. My neice had it so bad and so often that surgery was performed (which worked). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Jason, I'm not a medical doctor. I'm a psychologist. I'm sorry that I can't help you -Peter --- Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Dr. Pete, I've been suffering from Trigeminal Neuropathy since 1999. The attacks were very severe in 1999, 2000, 2001. The symptoms have subsided for the past few years. My allopathic Doctor has put me on Gabapentin and Clonazepham. He said Alchohol chould not be taken under any circumstances while on these drugs as it would damage the liver permanantly. He said that Neuropathy occurs if there is 'kidney problem' or 'Vascular disorders' or 'Auto-Immune disorders' I have vascular disorder. I ruptured a vein in my left testes twice. First while playing tennis ruptured it inside the testes and second while getting down from a bike ruptured the same vein above the left testes in the left groin. I tore a ligament in my tibia while running and continued running not realising the seriousness of the injury and a major vein in my leg became varicated. Even doctors dont understand how this happened. Both Gabapentin and Clonazepham completely depresses the Sexual function and errection. You can call me an artificial bramachari. Are there any other medicines to treat Trigeminal Neuropathy and Peripheral Neuropathy.?? I would like your opinion on this. Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda Axis II disorders are refered to as the characterological or personality disorders. These are chronic and egosyntonic and much more subtle and more difficult to diagnose that the Axis I disorders. Vaj is making quite a funny when he writes Axis II TM/TMSP Practioner disorder. Symptoms include: a. A paranoid dislike of onions and garlic b. A vocal tic characterized by the phrase, Jai Guru Dev. c. A partial facial paralysis resulting in a permanent blissful smile with soft focused eyes. d. A delusional/hysteric al condition of believing one no longer has genitals and if genitals are admitted to, then no understanding of their sexual function. e. A delusional obsession that one's narrative. explanation of existence (supreme knowledge) is superior to all others regardless of the practical consequences of these obsessions (i.e., poverty, poor health, failed relationships, etc.) - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris, New Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam has posted a new essay to the Washington Post / Newsweek website, responding to the recent revelations about Mother Teresa. And missing the point completely. What he misses is that for many years, Mother Teresa had the constant, tangible experience of God's presence (or that was how she interpreted it). Then it very suddenly disappeared, to return very briefly awhile later, only to disappear for good. That's quite a bit different from mere belief in dogma. She believed in the dogma because she had what seemed to her to be the experience of the truth of that dogma. So the doubts she wrestled with were not just doubts about the dogma, but doubts about her own very vivid experience of many years. That's such a different situation psychologically from simply coming to doubt what one has been taught. Faith in what one has been taught is of a very different order than faith based on direct personal experience of what one has been taught. It isn't *that* difficult to decide that what one has been taught is garbage. It's a whole 'nother thing to decide that one's own experience was garbage. Harris shows no sign of understanding the distinction. As far as he's concerned, Mother Teresa believed for years in a lot of stupid stuff that she'd been taught, then began to wise up, but he never completes the thought as to why she didn't...didn't what? He never says. He's so intellectually dishonest. He says, Teresa's response to her own bewilderment and hypocrisy (her term) reveals just how like quicksand religious faith can be. But then he doesn't tell us what her response *was*, so his comparison of religious faith to quicksand is just an empty assertion. Very superficial, very shallow. It's a little like having a long-term passionate love affair with someone, only to have them disappear, then get a few letters from them continuing to profess great devotion, then nothing. Are you going to say to yourself, Well, he must never have loved me in the first place; I just imagined that he did? Are you then going to chalk it up, forget all about him, and go on about your business? Of course not. You're going to wonder for the rest of your life what the hell happened, agonize over it, wonder if you did something wrong, try to figure out how he could suddenly have stopped loving you. Sure, it'll occur to you that maybe you misinterpreted his feelings, but this affair had lasted *years*, so that just seems wildly unlikely. It's not an exact parallel by any means, but that's the *kind* of situation Mother Teresa was dealing with.
[FairfieldLife] Rick: ANOTHER FLAMING POST (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines)
Edg, Willytex is quoting old posts (mostly mine) from FFL and alt.m.t. Didn't you click on the links? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Er, after a hundred posts from folks who seemed to agree to warn then penalize someone for flaming, I would think that you'd have warned Willy for his previous post. Now the one below seems to go way over the top into very obvious flaming. Are you going to do this warn-then-ban bit? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: jstein wrote: I'd ask Barry to provide examples to the contrary, but there wouldn't be any point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143310 No, the above is what I actually wrote, citing Wilber, and showing you to be a liar. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143497 As you know, Willytex, what I was calling Barry's fantasy was *not* that Lenz had levitated. Liar that you are, you omitted the context to make it seem that I had. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140399 Your team of profligate liars and racketeers lost in '06 and continues to lose. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143504 Horseshit. Classics from the alt.m.t. Groove Yard http://tinyurl.com/74d95 From Judy Stein to Willytex: Liar. No, liar. Wrong, liar. Bite me, toots. Non sequitur, liar. Yes, it does, liar. Willytex is a liar. No, she did not, liar. Yeah, it's a non sequitur. As usual, Willytex is the liar. Outright, deliberate falsehood. Bob Dole is a liar, just like you. Another right-winger bent on deception. You've been lying your head off for months. And that's just an outright, deliberate falsehood. You snipped the context to obscure that fact, liar. Boy, do you need a course in the fundamentals of logic. His opinion about the general usage here of the term liar is also incorrect, in my observation. It's rare that someone is called a liar for merely expressing an opinion about someone else. If it does happen, it's likely to be because the person using the term knows that the person expressing the opinion has evidence that clearly documents the inaccuracy of that opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly! Looks like something for someone looking to unload excess cash (like the Robin William's joke about cocaine is God's way of telling you that you have too much money...), though the one thing I like about it is that it does move the look of our techno devices away from the standard grey, black, white and putty colors. I have the same model phone as pictured, without the bling, but with a red case instead.:-) For years, I'd always carried around the low-end clunker phones that they give away with a two year contract. And, this past winter, when the charger connector on my phone started getting flaky, I decided to get a nice phone for the first time ever. So, I got a RAZR. Mine is the standard dark gray and silver because that's what I like, and I always use covers on my cellphones, but I could have gotten it in a choice of bright colors. It's my first camera phone, and the camera really comes in handy. I can transfer files between the phone and my PC over USB, including MP3 ringtones. I finally have a ringtone that I can hear over my car stereo: http://alex.natel.net/misc/bobby_hill_thats_my_purse.mp3 I found the clip on YouTube, saved the audio to my hard drive, and made an MP3 out of it.
[FairfieldLife] Rick: ANOTHER FLAMING POST (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines)
Judy, I didn't go very deeply into it, because, well, Rick would know whatever you seem to know that I don't know regarding this matter. That and the fact that I am a sinner of this very kind of sinning and to the same or worst degree. I didn't delineate my own conceptions because Rick is the one who has the power to describe what a flame is. I merely bring to his attention a posting that -- even if editorially reiterative -- abuses the spirit of our group's intent to keep things a bit more responsible. To wit: the swear words and the ad hominem attacks cited have been actively and mindfully edited into a 'list of past offenses' for the obvious purpose of attacking the character of another poster. We've all sinned, but for Willy to single you out -- gratuitously -- is a flame in my opinion. Others may have other issues to see in this scenario, but mine is the first one to pop in my mind. Come on, you folks o'light, ain't it a flame on Judy? Given that at a this time when we're trying to begin anew to have community of civility here that at the least accords each poster the dignity of having logic, truth, and kindness (sweet truth) applied to her/his presentation with the expectation that all will enjoy the benefits of these velvet constraints on our egoic artistries, why the Willytext posts? We all know, right? If you're silent, thanks for agreeing with me. If there's any aging hippies out there reading this, Give peace a chance you hosers! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, Willytex is quoting old posts (mostly mine) from FFL and alt.m.t. Didn't you click on the links? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Rick, Er, after a hundred posts from folks who seemed to agree to warn then penalize someone for flaming, I would think that you'd have warned Willy for his previous post. Now the one below seems to go way over the top into very obvious flaming. Are you going to do this warn-then-ban bit? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: jstein wrote: I'd ask Barry to provide examples to the contrary, but there wouldn't be any point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143310 No, the above is what I actually wrote, citing Wilber, and showing you to be a liar. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143497 As you know, Willytex, what I was calling Barry's fantasy was *not* that Lenz had levitated. Liar that you are, you omitted the context to make it seem that I had. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140399 Your team of profligate liars and racketeers lost in '06 and continues to lose. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143504 Horseshit. Classics from the alt.m.t. Groove Yard http://tinyurl.com/74d95 From Judy Stein to Willytex: Liar. No, liar. Wrong, liar. Bite me, toots. Non sequitur, liar. Yes, it does, liar. Willytex is a liar. No, she did not, liar. Yeah, it's a non sequitur. As usual, Willytex is the liar. Outright, deliberate falsehood. Bob Dole is a liar, just like you. Another right-winger bent on deception. You've been lying your head off for months. And that's just an outright, deliberate falsehood. You snipped the context to obscure that fact, liar. Boy, do you need a course in the fundamentals of logic. His opinion about the general usage here of the term liar is also incorrect, in my observation. It's rare that someone is called a liar for merely expressing an opinion about someone else. If it does happen, it's likely to be because the person using the term knows that the person expressing the opinion has evidence that clearly documents the inaccuracy of that opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jp g No way! That thing is fugly! Looks like something for someone looking to unload excess cash (like the Robin William's joke about cocaine is God's way of telling you that you have too much money...), though the one thing I like about it is that it does move the look of our techno devices away from the standard grey, black, white and putty colors. I have the same model phone as pictured, without the bling, but with a red case instead.:-) For years, I'd always carried around the low-end clunker phones that they give away with a two year contract. And, this past winter, when the charger connector on my phone started getting flaky, I decided to get a nice phone for the first time ever. So, I got a RAZR. Mine is the standard dark gray and silver because that's what I like, and I always use covers on my cellphones, but I could have gotten it in a choice of bright colors. It's my first camera phone, and the camera really comes in handy. I can transfer files between the phone and my PC over USB, including MP3 ringtones. I finally have a ringtone that I can hear over my car stereo: http://alex.natel.net/misc/bobby_hill_thats_my_purse.mp3 I found the clip on YouTube, saved the audio to my hard drive, and made an MP3 out of it. Nice- Great ringtone!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Dr Pete wrote: Vaj is making quite a funny when he writes Axis II TM/TMSP Practioner disorder. Symptoms include: A paranoid dislike of onions and garlic Bob Brigante wrote: My guess is that celibates are recommended a diet free of garlic/onions, but for householders, it does not make much difference. MAPI discusses the issue of bad foods, under the heading of behavioural rasayana http://www.mapi.com/en/newsletters/ayurvedic_behavioral_rasayanas.html Tamasic foods are the opposite of saatvic - they break down the coordination between mind and body and inhibit the experience of pure consciousness. They create darkness rather than light. Tamasic foods include alcohol, garlic, onions, red meat, leftovers, and packaged foods, which have little life force. Anyone who wishes to practice Achara (Behavioural) Rasayana should avoid them. *** An interesting contradiction, since MAPI sells Garlic Ghee, and publishes recipes that list garlic and onions as ingredients. I believe mushrooms also used to be on the tamasic list -- I wonder why they don't list them here? Maybe because one type of mushroom (Cordyceps) is now being recommended? It's interesting that the mushroom they recommend is one that kills animals.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: ANOTHER FLAMING POST (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines)
All you're trying to do is impose political correctness here and instead you will wind up killing off this this group. No one will come here. Who wants to read the posts of a bunch of pansies. :D FFL R.I.P. 2001-2007 Duveyoung wrote: Judy, I didn't go very deeply into it, because, well, Rick would know whatever you seem to know that I don't know regarding this matter. That and the fact that I am a sinner of this very kind of sinning and to the same or worst degree. I didn't delineate my own conceptions because Rick is the one who has the power to describe what a flame is. I merely bring to his attention a posting that -- even if editorially reiterative -- abuses the spirit of our group's intent to keep things a bit more responsible. To wit: the swear words and the ad hominem attacks cited have been actively and mindfully edited into a 'list of past offenses' for the obvious purpose of attacking the character of another poster. We've all sinned, but for Willy to single you out -- gratuitously -- is a flame in my opinion. Others may have other issues to see in this scenario, but mine is the first one to pop in my mind. Come on, you folks o'light, ain't it a flame on Judy? Given that at a this time when we're trying to begin anew to have community of civility here that at the least accords each poster the dignity of having logic, truth, and kindness (sweet truth) applied to her/his presentation with the expectation that all will enjoy the benefits of these velvet constraints on our egoic artistries, why the Willytext posts? We all know, right? If you're silent, thanks for agreeing with me. If there's any aging hippies out there reading this, Give peace a chance you hosers! Edg
[FairfieldLife] Rick: ANOTHER FLAMING POST (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines)
Edg, I think you're going way overboard about all this (not just Willytex's post but the whole thing). If you're getting something positive out of just writing these posts, fine; but if you're going to be crushed if everybody doesn't fall in line with just how you think it should go, well, prepare to be crushed. Seems to me it would be more productive to leave posts that fall into the gray area be and keep an eye out for posts that blatantly cross the line. Thing is, you'll most likely have to wait a while for them, because folks are going to be minding their P's and Q's as long as the issue is fresh in their minds. My sense is that you're anxious to start implementing the ban, but the only posts there are at the moment for you to jump on don't really fall into the category of what folks have been complaining about or how Rick has defined what (if anything) he's going to sanction. Last I saw, before he even warned anybody, he was going to highlight any posts he thought met the criteria for being sanctioned and invite discussion about them. And as I suggested, I doubt there are even going to *be* any such posts for the time being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I didn't go very deeply into it, because, well, Rick would know whatever you seem to know that I don't know regarding this matter. That and the fact that I am a sinner of this very kind of sinning and to the same or worst degree. I didn't delineate my own conceptions because Rick is the one who has the power to describe what a flame is. I merely bring to his attention a posting that -- even if editorially reiterative -- abuses the spirit of our group's intent to keep things a bit more responsible. To wit: the swear words and the ad hominem attacks cited have been actively and mindfully edited into a 'list of past offenses' for the obvious purpose of attacking the character of another poster. We've all sinned, but for Willy to single you out -- gratuitously -- is a flame in my opinion. Others may have other issues to see in this scenario, but mine is the first one to pop in my mind. Come on, you folks o'light, ain't it a flame on Judy? Given that at a this time when we're trying to begin anew to have community of civility here that at the least accords each poster the dignity of having logic, truth, and kindness (sweet truth) applied to her/his presentation with the expectation that all will enjoy the benefits of these velvet constraints on our egoic artistries, why the Willytext posts? We all know, right? If you're silent, thanks for agreeing with me. If there's any aging hippies out there reading this, Give peace a chance you hosers! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Edg, Willytex is quoting old posts (mostly mine) from FFL and alt.m.t. Didn't you click on the links? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Rick, Er, after a hundred posts from folks who seemed to agree to warn then penalize someone for flaming, I would think that you'd have warned Willy for his previous post. Now the one below seems to go way over the top into very obvious flaming. Are you going to do this warn-then-ban bit? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: jstein wrote: I'd ask Barry to provide examples to the contrary, but there wouldn't be any point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143310 No, the above is what I actually wrote, citing Wilber, and showing you to be a liar. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143497 As you know, Willytex, what I was calling Barry's fantasy was *not* that Lenz had levitated. Liar that you are, you omitted the context to make it seem that I had. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140399 Your team of profligate liars and racketeers lost in '06 and continues to lose. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143504 Horseshit. Classics from the alt.m.t. Groove Yard http://tinyurl.com/74d95 From Judy Stein to Willytex: Liar. No, liar. Wrong, liar. Bite me, toots. Non sequitur, liar. Yes, it does, liar. Willytex is a liar. No, she did not, liar. Yeah, it's a non sequitur. As usual, Willytex is the liar. Outright, deliberate falsehood. Bob Dole is a liar, just like you. Another right-winger bent on deception. You've been lying your head off for months. And that's just an outright, deliberate falsehood. You snipped the context to obscure that fact, liar. Boy, do you need a course in the fundamentals of logic. His opinion about the general usage here of the term liar is also incorrect, in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Pete wrote: Vaj is making quite a funny when he writes Axis II TM/TMSP Practioner disorder. Symptoms include: A paranoid dislike of onions and garlic Bob Brigante wrote: My guess is that celibates are recommended a diet free of garlic/onions, but for householders, it does not make much difference. MAPI discusses the issue of bad foods, under the heading of behavioural rasayana http://www.mapi.com/en/newsletters/ayurvedic_behavioral_rasayanas.html Tamasic foods are the opposite of saatvic - they break down the coordination between mind and body and inhibit the experience of pure consciousness. They create darkness rather than light. Tamasic foods include alcohol, garlic, onions, red meat, leftovers, and packaged foods, which have little life force. Anyone who wishes to practice Achara (Behavioural) Rasayana should avoid them. *** An interesting contradiction, since MAPI sells Garlic Ghee, and publishes recipes that list garlic and onions as ingredients. I believe mushrooms also used to be on the tamasic list -- I wonder why they don't list them here? Maybe because one type of mushroom (Cordyceps) is now being recommended? Onion and garlic are pungent and therefore useful for balancing kapha. Each too much sattvic foods and you will probably wind up with a vata imbalance and be a space case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each too much sattvic foods and you will probably wind up with a vata imbalance and be a space case. Oh please. If that were actually the case, there'd be people like that in Fairfield. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris, New Article
He's so intellectually dishonest. He says, Teresa's response to her own bewilderment and hypocrisy (her term) reveals just how like quicksand religious faith can be. But then he doesn't tell us what her response *was*, so his comparison of religious faith to quicksand is just an empty assertion. I think it was her reaction that makes this a story at all, she kept quiet about it carrying on with her I have a special relationship with God routine. That's what I thought he was referring to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet coshlnx@ wrote: Sam has posted a new essay to the Washington Post / Newsweek website, responding to the recent revelations about Mother Teresa. And missing the point completely. What he misses is that for many years, Mother Teresa had the constant, tangible experience of God's presence (or that was how she interpreted it). Then it very suddenly disappeared, to return very briefly awhile later, only to disappear for good. That's quite a bit different from mere belief in dogma. She believed in the dogma because she had what seemed to her to be the experience of the truth of that dogma. So the doubts she wrestled with were not just doubts about the dogma, but doubts about her own very vivid experience of many years. That's such a different situation psychologically from simply coming to doubt what one has been taught. Faith in what one has been taught is of a very different order than faith based on direct personal experience of what one has been taught. It isn't *that* difficult to decide that what one has been taught is garbage. It's a whole 'nother thing to decide that one's own experience was garbage. Harris shows no sign of understanding the distinction. As far as he's concerned, Mother Teresa believed for years in a lot of stupid stuff that she'd been taught, then began to wise up, but he never completes the thought as to why she didn't...didn't what? He never says. He's so intellectually dishonest. He says, Teresa's response to her own bewilderment and hypocrisy (her term) reveals just how like quicksand religious faith can be. But then he doesn't tell us what her response *was*, so his comparison of religious faith to quicksand is just an empty assertion. Very superficial, very shallow. It's a little like having a long-term passionate love affair with someone, only to have them disappear, then get a few letters from them continuing to profess great devotion, then nothing. Are you going to say to yourself, Well, he must never have loved me in the first place; I just imagined that he did? Are you then going to chalk it up, forget all about him, and go on about your business? Of course not. You're going to wonder for the rest of your life what the hell happened, agonize over it, wonder if you did something wrong, try to figure out how he could suddenly have stopped loving you. Sure, it'll occur to you that maybe you misinterpreted his feelings, but this affair had lasted *years*, so that just seems wildly unlikely. It's not an exact parallel by any means, but that's the *kind* of situation Mother Teresa was dealing with.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris, New Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's so intellectually dishonest. He says, Teresa's response to her own bewilderment and hypocrisy (her term) reveals just how like quicksand religious faith can be. But then he doesn't tell us what her response *was*, so his comparison of religious faith to quicksand is just an empty assertion. I think it was her reaction that makes this a story at all, she kept quiet about it carrying on with her I have a special relationship with God routine. That's what I thought he was referring to. But he didn't say any of that. I think he didn't have a clue how to describe her response so it would fit with his quicksand analogy, so rather than discard the analogy, he just left out anything about her response and hoped nobody would notice, just as he hoped nobody would notice that he failed to say anything at all about what had been the motivating force of her entire life, what she perceived to be the experience of God's presence. That's why she started the whole Calcutta deal, after all. She was on her way to a vacation from her order when she believed she heard God's voice telling her to start a mission to help the poor and homeless instead. It was only after she had overcome all kinds of obstacles and actually managed to get the thing going that this sense of presence suddenly vanished, for the first time in her life. It's no wonder Harris didn't know how to characterize her response; he left out what she was responding *to*. She wasn't bewildered because she was having doubts, she was bewildered because God seemed to have left her in the lurch, shut her out of his presence. Of course *one* of her reactions was going to be to begin to wonder whether God really existed, but from what I've read of those letters, most of her questioning had to do with why God had deserted her and how she was supposed to deal with that. I'm no big fan of Mother Teresa, by the way. I just am appalled at the cavalier and dishonest way Harris dismisses her struggle.
[FairfieldLife] Rick -- a flaming has definitely happened (Re: New Policy and updated guidelines
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Could you elaborate on why you questioned the word yokel. Yokel? What's a yokel? Common British sayings: A country yokel - varioously translated as: a woolyback, a country bumpkin, a sheepshagger, a hillbilly, a redneck, GW bush. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Wow
Just checkin' in after a hiatus. Wow, insanity has won the day among the regular FFL posters. Good luck wit' that. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris, New Article
---quite true, authfriend, I like your analysis! Looks like she was on the verge of a genuine spontaneous breakthrough into pure Consciousness (the Presense mentioned); but the organized Church is basically incapable of providing a nurturing environment for such development; since although there are major differences between Catholocism and Evangelical theology, the bottom line is that the Christian experience is all about one's dualist relationship to Jesus, not a direct experience of the nondual Presence. Thus, she was destined to find no sympathy for nondualism in the Catholic Tradition. She might have taken the course of action taken by former Nun Karen Armstrong, who was able ultimately to clearly distinguish between Fundie dualism and the experiential wisdom of Gnosis. She chose the latter and became a best selling author, (leaving the Nunnery far behind). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: He's so intellectually dishonest. He says, Teresa's response to her own bewilderment and hypocrisy (her term) reveals just how like quicksand religious faith can be. But then he doesn't tell us what her response *was*, so his comparison of religious faith to quicksand is just an empty assertion. I think it was her reaction that makes this a story at all, she kept quiet about it carrying on with her I have a special relationship with God routine. That's what I thought he was referring to. But he didn't say any of that. I think he didn't have a clue how to describe her response so it would fit with his quicksand analogy, so rather than discard the analogy, he just left out anything about her response and hoped nobody would notice, just as he hoped nobody would notice that he failed to say anything at all about what had been the motivating force of her entire life, what she perceived to be the experience of God's presence. That's why she started the whole Calcutta deal, after all. She was on her way to a vacation from her order when she believed she heard God's voice telling her to start a mission to help the poor and homeless instead. It was only after she had overcome all kinds of obstacles and actually managed to get the thing going that this sense of presence suddenly vanished, for the first time in her life. It's no wonder Harris didn't know how to characterize her response; he left out what she was responding *to*. She wasn't bewildered because she was having doubts, she was bewildered because God seemed to have left her in the lurch, shut her out of his presence. Of course *one* of her reactions was going to be to begin to wonder whether God really existed, but from what I've read of those letters, most of her questioning had to do with why God had deserted her and how she was supposed to deal with that. I'm no big fan of Mother Teresa, by the way. I just am appalled at the cavalier and dishonest way Harris dismisses her struggle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic mushrooms, light/gemstone therapy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/10/07 2:53:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Shining gemstones on Marma Points) Another new therapy is being offered on the campus, it involves shining the light through the gemstones, on the main marma points of the body. Each of the main marma points has a specific gemstone associated with it, and by shining special light through the gemstones on these points, they get enlivened. This in turn helps the vital energy to flow in the body, which brings about better health. We have tried this therapy too, and we found it to be the most powerful external intervention so far, that helps in spiritual development. Our experiences in the program are much clearer and due to better upward energy flow through the main marma points, we have some new experiences, like never before. What kind of light do you shine through the gem stones? Is it artificial light or natural sun light? I thought the Vaidyas told M to stop messing with the marmas, thus no more marama therapy. *** I can't see any difference between artificial light or sun light. Each frequency (color) of light is produced by an electron stepping down to a lower level and emitting a photon characteristic of that atom, so what difference would it make whether these photons come from the sun or from any other generator of photons? The main difference is that one comes from the Sun, and the other.well.it doesn't. 'nuff said. OffWorld .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic mushrooms, light/gemstone therapy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/10/07 2:53:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Shining gemstones on Marma Points) Another new therapy is being offered on the campus, it involves shining the light through the gemstones, on the main marma points of the body. Each of the main marma points has a specific gemstone associated with it, and by shining special light through the gemstones on these points, they get enlivened. This in turn helps the vital energy to flow in the body, which brings about better health. We have tried this therapy too, and we found it to be the most powerful external intervention so far, that helps in spiritual development. Our experiences in the program are much clearer and due to better upward energy flow through the main marma points, we have some new experiences, like never before. What kind of light do you shine through the gem stones? Is it artificial light or natural sun light? I thought the Vaidyas told M to stop messing with the marmas, thus no more marama therapy. Sorry mate, it was the other way around. The Vaidyas kept touching the marmas and MMY just shut the whole thing down. Apparently touching them could aggrevate all sort of sideeffects. I touched some marmas today. i don't see anything wrong with it, and neither did she. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Dr Pete wrote: Vaj is making quite a funny when he writes Axis II TM/TMSP Practioner disorder. Symptoms include: A paranoid dislike of onions and garlic Bob Brigante wrote: My guess is that celibates are recommended a diet free of garlic/onions, but for householders, it does not make much difference. MAPI discusses the issue of bad foods, under the heading of behavioural rasayana http://www.mapi.com/en/newsletters/ayurvedic_behavioral_rasayanas.html Tamasic foods are the opposite of saatvic - they break down the coordination between mind and body and inhibit the experience of pure consciousness. They create darkness rather than light. Tamasic foods include alcohol, garlic, onions, red meat, leftovers, and packaged foods, which have little life force. Anyone who wishes to practice Achara (Behavioural) Rasayana should avoid them. *** An interesting contradiction, since MAPI sells Garlic Ghee, and publishes recipes that list garlic and onions as ingredients. I believe mushrooms also used to be on the tamasic list -- I wonder why they don't list them here? Maybe because one type of mushroom (Cordyceps) is now being recommended? It's interesting that the mushroom they recommend is one that kills animals. *** Yes, but the caterpillar attains nirvana when it croaks: Cordyceps is also known as the Chinese caterpillar fungus (yuck!) because it is a parasitic organism that grows on a rare Tibetan caterpillar until the caterpillar dies and the mushroom sprouts from the caterpillar's head (double yuck!!). Luckily, the source of cordyceps used in most modern supplements is not pulverized caterpillar heads, but a strain grown on soybeans or other less disgusting nutrient source. http://www.mdidea.com/products/herbextract/cordyceps/data.html I did not see any reference to cordyceps being poisonous to animals even in high doses: Cordyceps has been regarded as a very safe herb throughout its traditional history, and is considered completely safe for clinical use today. Experiments on animals have not found a lethal dose, even when Cordyceps is given in extremely high amounts (10 to 80 grams per kilogram of body weight), nor does Cordyceps have any teratogenic or mutagenic effects. Instances of mild stomach discomfort have been reported in clinical trials. (same link as above)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Pete, I've been suffering from Trigeminal Neuropathy since 1999. The attacks were very severe in 1999, 2000, 2001. The symptoms have subsided for the past few years. My allopathic Doctor has put me on Gabapentin and Clonazepham. He said Alchohol chould not be taken under any circumstances while on these drugs as it would damage the liver permanantly. He said that Neuropathy occurs if there is 'kidney problem' or 'Vascular disorders' or 'Auto-Immune disorders' I have vascular disorder. I ruptured a vein in my left testes twice. First while playing tennis ruptured it inside the testes and second while getting down from a bike ruptured the same vein above the left testes in the left groin. I tore a ligament in my tibia while running and continued running not realising the seriousness of the injury and a major vein in my leg became varicated. Even doctors dont understand how this happened. Both Gabapentin and Clonazepham completely depresses the Sexual function and errection. You can call me an artificial bramachari. Are there any other medicines to treat Trigeminal Neuropathy and Peripheral Neuropathy.?? I would like your opinion on this. A fruit diet for 3 months, and eat a teaspoon of raw seseme seeds every day, and satisfy very strong cravings, will cure it. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention Dr. PETE - Chinese herbs
---Vital Cell might work (a combination of Chinese herbs - tested for purity). It's from Tango Advanced Nutrition. I have no connection to that Co. I just recently received two bottles of Vital Cell and am looking forward with continued use to evaluating it fully. Check out the testimonials. http://www.puretango.com/vitalcell.html In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Dr. Pete, I've been suffering from Trigeminal Neuropathy since 1999. The attacks were very severe in 1999, 2000, 2001. The symptoms have subsided for the past few years. My allopathic Doctor has put me on Gabapentin and Clonazepham. He said Alchohol chould not be taken under any circumstances while on these drugs as it would damage the liver permanantly. He said that Neuropathy occurs if there is 'kidney problem' or 'Vascular disorders' or 'Auto-Immune disorders' I have vascular disorder. I ruptured a vein in my left testes twice. First while playing tennis ruptured it inside the testes and second while getting down from a bike ruptured the same vein above the left testes in the left groin. I tore a ligament in my tibia while running and continued running not realising the seriousness of the injury and a major vein in my leg became varicated. Even doctors dont understand how this happened. Both Gabapentin and Clonazepham completely depresses the Sexual function and errection. You can call me an artificial bramachari. Are there any other medicines to treat Trigeminal Neuropathy and Peripheral Neuropathy.?? I would like your opinion on this. A fruit diet for 3 months, and eat a teaspoon of raw seseme seeds every day, and satisfy very strong cravings, will cure it. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh, you know all the words and you've sung all the notes, but...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take the time to answer, since you seem to have put so much thought into the question: I DON'T CARE. OK. I ws not really addressing you. Just spring boarding. The keyword in your blurb above is warranted. Warranted is in the eye of the beholder. If someone reads an opinion of mine and wants to present a different one, that's his business. If others want to present a contrary one, that's their business. If someone wants to go postal and get all critical about my opinion, that's their business. Not mine. You are missing my point. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Some opinions are are pure speculation, and some opinions can be about: i) facts that aren't true that they believe are true, i) facts that aren't true that they know are not true, but express them as opinions. Perhaps there is not a meaningful distinction here. but I wanted to explore it. You are under no obligation to stay at this table. I am under no obligation to respond to *any* of the above responses to some opinion of mine that I post. The original opinion stands on its own. I think you have made that quite clear. Did you feel I was suggesting you were? I may choose to reply, if I want to. But *only* if I want to. I am under no obligation to anyone here to respond to their posts, just because they expect a response. If they get their noses bent out of shape because I don't respond, that too is their business. Yes, I got it. I did not expect any response from you. I was asking for any. Rather if one has a different opinion they should state it as such. Only. And that there are no grounds to try to correct the other's opinion (if it indeed is pure opinion)? Thats fine. Not the point I was after. You are under no obligation to follow my thought there. Clearly, some folks are under the impression that their opinion *equals* truth or even Truth, and if they get off on that fantasy, I wish them well with it. I am under no more obligation to respond to it. It's their business, not mine. Just curious, you have repeated the point I don't need to respond many multiple times? Do you feel you were not clear the first time? Do you feel I, or readers have not yet gotten your point. I ask because you seem well, obsessed with repeating this point over and over -- as you have in the past. Thats certainly your perogative. Just seems strange for some one who loves good writing. I assume that implies that you feel that your opinion does not equal truth, per se. That seems consistent with your long expressed view here. Which is fine. But That strikes ideas in me, I wish to explore. And turq, please ignore if you are not interested. this is not addressed to you solely. Its a group question. If one holds that opinions do not equal truth, and there is merit to that, there seems to be something more that a dichotomous is/isn't situation. For example, if one holds the above (truth opinion), and one holds that the holocaust happened, then it implies that they are also quite open to the holocaust not happening. I choose this example because there appears to be so much evidence of the holocaust that not having an opinion that it happened seems odd to me. *** Another thought stemming from your post: One of which is that I heartily agree that others posts at time create great springboards, an I often jump askew of the post. To some this seems to be confusing, or even an insult. Again, that's their business. Or limitation, however you choose to see it. I merely stated how I approach discussions. Others are free to approach them however they want, within the FFL guidelines. Yes, we GOT the point. Do you feel I have been arguing with you in my original post. You seem so defensive. When going out on my own tangent, I have been reprimanded for doing so in that paraphrasing, its common knowledge in WWW etiquette that its not proper to respond to a post without responding to the posters topic. It's also common knowledge that America has the highest standard of living in the world, and that's a crock of shit. :-) Crocks of shit tend to proliferate, many of them called common knowledge. Well yes, I thought it a bit of a crock when proffered to me, but I still think some transition language is helpful. Thats my opinion. YMMV. A response that has totally puzzled me, but I can see the essence of it. It occurs to me sometimes, I write something, someone responds way off track (my initial misview) aka their own tangent (more the reality) and I have thought, or sometimes written, WTF, I didn't imply THAT This seems to be one of several sources of misunderstandings, sometimes leading to personal insults. My opinion: it might be useful to make such a transition explicit. I am going to try to do that. Whatever floats your boat. Turq, feel free, any time, to be gratuatiously
[FairfieldLife] Opinions and Truth
Some opinions are are pure speculation, and some opinions can be about: i) facts that aren't true that they believe are true, i) facts that aren't true that they know are not true, but express them as opinions. Perhaps there is not a meaningful distinction here. but I wanted to explore it. If one holds that opinions do not equal truth, and there is merit to that, there seems to be something more that a dichotomous is/isn't situation. For example, if one holds the above (truth opinion), and one holds that the holocaust happened, then it implies that they are also quite open to the holocaust not happening. I choose this example because there appears to be so much evidence of the holocaust that not having an opinion that it happened seems odd to me. Yet holding that ones opinion is equivalent with truth is frought with problems. In thinking abut it, a bit more, I guess a framework I use in parallel things is also applicable here. For me, opinions are working hypotheses, of which I am willing to reject any and all if better information or insight appears. That doesn't imply that one hypotheses is as good ad its alternative. Some working hypotheses may have a very high probability of being true (in my opinion -- a bit of a recursive loop). Others afe 50/50. Others 10% probability, with nine other hypotheses with similar weights. [for those on email, disregard my adjacent prior post. I deleted it and rewrote it here.]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Opinions and Truth
Hi, New Morning - You're getting pretty deep here, fella. Interesting point about the holocaust opinion. I see myself as pretty open-minded, a respecter of opinions not my own. But I see red when somebody starts telling me they believe the holocaust never happened. So I guess I do take my own opinion here as truth. Am I being narrow-minded for not saying I respect your right to believe as you do? Taking it further, what if I met a member of the Ku Klux Klan who was expounding racist beliefs. Would I still say, I respect your right to believe as you do? Do we respect the right to hold any opinion, even if it's hurtful of others? Do we respect that Hitler had a right to believe Jews were bums? Maybe we should respect the right to hold hateful or racist ideas but not acknowledge a right to act on them. I don't know. You've challenged me to think about this. One thing along similar lines I do have a clear opinion about. That is, how hard it is to hear another's opinion and even CONSIDER its possible legitimacy when it is 180 degrees antithetical to one's own. We give them the same reaction we'd give the holocaust denier or the Ku Klux Klan dogmatist. But sometimes, that antithetical opinion has merit, with facts to support it. It's very hard to listen to supporting evidence when the mind's made up. But not to listen keeps the mind within its own confines, unable to grow beyond certain perimeters. I know a guy who actually does believe there was no holocaust. He would like to explain to me all his reasons. I absolutely go livid when he asks to, and pounce on him about all the hell the Jews went through in the Second World War and that if it were left to people like him, all that would be forgotten. I tell him I have friends who lost family in the concentration camps, and it's a personal affront to me that he tells people their suffering never occurred. In this case, I KNOW that he's wrong. But how many other issues do I KNOW about, and could I be wrong on some on them? Can my assurance that I'm right keep new light from entering my mind? David Icke is a British guy (former national spokesperson for The Green Party) who is very brilliant and original but who writes books that most people think are plumb crazy. I've read some of them. He backs up his wild premises with countless amounts of evidence. He may or may not be right. Maybe right about some of it, wrong about other parts. But all you have to do is mention the guy's name to most people and they go, oh my god, that crazy guy. When another person's belief is so out of line with our own opinions and assumptions, it's almost impossible to bend the mind to form an opening large enough to consider the radical possibility. I try to bend mine as much as possible. It's let me find a lot of interesting stuff. But I wonder how much of what may be real my assumptions still manage to block out. New Morning's questions make me wonder. Bronte new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some opinions are are pure speculation, and some opinions can be about: i) facts that aren't true that they believe are true, i) facts that aren't true that they know are not true, but express them as opinions. Perhaps there is not a meaningful distinction here. but I wanted to explore it. If one holds that opinions do not equal truth, and there is merit to that, there seems to be something more that a dichotomous is/isn't situation. For example, if one holds the above (truth opinion), and one holds that the holocaust happened, then it implies that they are also quite open to the holocaust not happening. I choose this example because there appears to be so much evidence of the holocaust that not having an opinion that it happened seems odd to me. Yet holding that ones opinion is equivalent with truth is frought with problems. In thinking abut it, a bit more, I guess a framework I use in parallel things is also applicable here. For me, opinions are working hypotheses, of which I am willing to reject any and all if better information or insight appears. That doesn't imply that one hypotheses is as good ad its alternative. Some working hypotheses may have a very high probability of being true (in my opinion -- a bit of a recursive loop). Others afe 50/50. Others 10% probability, with nine other hypotheses with similar weights. [for those on email, disregard my adjacent prior post. I deleted it and rewrote it here.] - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
