[FairfieldLife] Re: The argument against Vaj knowing Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey I just read this letter. This sounds pretty fair to me. My apologies to Robin and also to Judy for making some assumptions that have been cleared up by this post and letter. Sounds like you are being sincere in your desire to get to the bottom of it Robin. That would be cool to get some closure on the matter. See how easy that was? Just a little bit of homework and you don't set yourself up for a loosing battle. Word to the wise. If you want to stay out of an argument with Judy, be more attentive to reading comprehension. Apologies delivered and accepted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Note: This is a letter which I wrote to Lord Knows upon receiving the letter from LN--before I realized he was a lawyer. I set out the case against accepting the truth of the letter. Juxtaposed with the letter that the lawyer has written, were he not a lawyer, the case that I make for Vaj not knowing me and not attending a seminar seems overwhelming to me. Once this letter was sent to Lord Knows, however, upon discovering that this old friend (LN) was a lawyer I decided to accept that I was really raised by Grizzlies in Alaska. I should stipulate once again that I would wish to resolve this matter in a humanly appropriate way, and that Vaj himself can very easily bring about this satisfactory resolution. As can any number of persons who knew me at the time that LN alleges that Vaj knew me. Jesus Christ! I want it to be true that I knew Vaj. But I will need evidence which becomes the innocent refutation of the evidence I have presented in this sixteen point letter to LK. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lord Knows, Vaj, then, attended a course in Victoria? He was with [lawyer's name: herein: LN] and Gary Ostlerlund. Vaj has never claimed he knew me in Victoria. While I trusted LN when I knew him, I can understand his willingness to testify to something which would have consequences that might adversely affect me. I will need another witness other than LN to verify the physical presence of Vaj in Victoria in the summer of 1986. I am profoundly drawn to the truth of things, and I have no reason--none--to question someone's claim that he or she knew me, attended a seminar, was initiated into TM, knew Maharishi, and taught TM. But I am saying that LN is not telling the truth here. Not because I have any reason to be harmed by acknowledging that someone knew me that I didn't think knew me. However here are the facts which contradict LN: 1. Vaj claims he was initiated into TM, that he taught TM, that he met Maharishi. He has never provided any kind of proof of this, and he refuses to do so. And everything he says about TM, how it is done, what the experience is, and what it is to teach TM simply does not accord with reality. The reality of TM. 2. Vaj says that he came to Washington, DC, and deconstructed my enlightenment such as to prove to everyone present how false my claims were and how easy it was to prove that my integrity was an entire fiction. 3. Vaj has never furnished a single iota of proof that would demonstrate any personal knowledge of me. If Vaj came to Victoria, how could it be that I would not have met him, known him, interacted with him? I remember every person who attended a seminar, and if Vaj was there at that time, then he must have stayed at one of the houses. He must have made himself known to many persons other than LN. In your letter of ten years ago you told me you maintained contact with everyone from the Ten Years. I would need at least two other persons from that course to verify what LN has said. Do you know DK, or SP, or MN, or HB, or BB, or SB, or DM, or DF, or G or MW, or LP? If you are in touch with any of these persons--or even someone else [there are so many witnesses to the fact of Vaj having been in Victoria]--I would ask you to corroborate the word of LN. This should be extraordinarily easy to do, Lord Knows. 4. The proof that I was not enlightened, and that I knew nothing about The Personal, is proven by the fact that someone entered into that intense and dramatic and harrowing experience--in their trust in my enlightenment--and I didn't even remember them! I must have been suffering premature and selective Alzheimers. No, since I have no pride or investment in holding out on acknowledging the fact that VaJ attended a seminar and knew me personally, I can only believe there is something very fishy going on here. And I can assure you, Lord Knows, that Vaj has done his brilliant best to try to persuade me that he does not know me, was never initiated into TM, and never went on a rounding course, did not know Maharishi, and certainly never 'confronted' me as he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ravi Chivukula* chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, *this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. *This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -* they are damning and thoroughly convincing*. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case, so it's OK for someone to react in such a fashion. But unless someone is able to be totally objective, free of self deception, it would be very hard to effectively rail, rally against someone. Here's where Gail certainly got my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Ha. Good to see there is action over there though. I loved your post actually. What, are you channeling Robin these days...so intellectual and all that. Blew everyone over there away. Ha. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - morally accountable especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -they are damning and thoroughly convincing. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and
[FairfieldLife] Mannerheim from Kenia!
Mr. Otieno from Kenia shall play Baron Mannerheim in a Finnish Broadcasting Company's film. http://www.iltalehti.fi/leffat/2012081515955971_le.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerheim
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
You are right, I did receive a personal email from that guy where he is totally clueless as to what free and intelligent speech means, I felt sorry for the guy so I let him off the hook very mildly since he was nice and friendly :-) I'm not surprised you noticed the Robinesque posts of mine, I hope he doesn't sue me - I am ready to credit him if he asks :-) May be he won't like it - if so I expect him to stand and speak up. Anyway I would think there is a unique style of mine. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Ha. Good to see there is action over there though. I loved your post actually. What, are you channeling Robin these days...so intellectual and all that. Blew everyone over there away. Ha. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ravi Chivukula* chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The argument against Vaj knowing Robin
Steve, Steve. You are a busy man, as you note. Running a business, raising a family. That's a lot. I have a lot of respect for you. All aspects of a conversation are of value in most cases. I choose to believe in Robin's sincerity on wanting to get this matter settled, as lord knows, he's been dealing with all this for awhile now. Methinks the truth might be too close for comfort for Vaj (either way), but we shall see. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The argument against Vaj knowing Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey I just read this letter. This sounds pretty fair to me. My apologies to Robin and also to Judy for making some assumptions that have been cleared up by this post and letter. Sounds like you are being sincere in your desire to get to the bottom of it Robin. That would be cool to get some closure on the matter. See how easy that was? Just a little bit of homework and you don't set yourself up for a loosing battle. Word to the wise. If you want to stay out of an argument with Judy, be more attentive to reading comprehension. Apologies delivered and accepted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Note: This is a letter which I wrote to Lord Knows upon receiving the letter from LN--before I realized he was a lawyer. I set out the case against accepting the truth of the letter. Juxtaposed with the letter that the lawyer has written, were he not a lawyer, the case that I make for Vaj not knowing me and not attending a seminar seems overwhelming to me. Once this letter was sent to Lord Knows, however, upon discovering that this old friend (LN) was a lawyer I decided to accept that I was really raised by Grizzlies in Alaska. I should stipulate once again that I would wish to resolve this matter in a humanly appropriate way, and that Vaj himself can very easily bring about this satisfactory resolution. As can any number of persons who knew me at the time that LN alleges that Vaj knew me. Jesus Christ! I want it to be true that I knew Vaj. But I will need evidence which becomes the innocent refutation of the evidence I have presented in this sixteen point letter to LK. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lord Knows, Vaj, then, attended a course in Victoria? He was with [lawyer's name: herein: LN] and Gary Ostlerlund. Vaj has never claimed he knew me in Victoria. While I trusted LN when I knew him, I can understand his willingness to testify to something which would have consequences that might adversely affect me. I will need another witness other than LN to verify the physical presence of Vaj in Victoria in the summer of 1986. I am profoundly drawn to the truth of things, and I have no reason--none--to question someone's claim that he or she knew me, attended a seminar, was initiated into TM, knew Maharishi, and taught TM. But I am saying that LN is not telling the truth here. Not because I have any reason to be harmed by acknowledging that someone knew me that I didn't think knew me. However here are the facts which contradict LN: 1. Vaj claims he was initiated into TM, that he taught TM, that he met Maharishi. He has never provided any kind of proof of this, and he refuses to do so. And everything he says about TM, how it is done, what the experience is, and what it is to teach TM simply does not accord with reality. The reality of TM. 2. Vaj says that he came to Washington, DC, and deconstructed my enlightenment such as to prove to everyone present how false my claims were and how easy it was to prove that my integrity was an entire fiction. 3. Vaj has never furnished a single iota of proof that would demonstrate any personal knowledge of me. If Vaj came to Victoria, how could it be that I would not have met him, known him, interacted with him? I remember every person who attended a seminar, and if Vaj was there at that time, then he must have stayed at one of the houses. He must have made himself known to many persons other than LN. In your letter of ten years ago you told me you maintained contact with everyone from the Ten Years. I would need at least two other persons from that course to verify what LN has said. Do you know DK, or SP, or MN, or HB, or BB, or SB, or DM, or DF, or G or MW, or LP? If you are in touch with any of these persons--or even someone else [there are so many witnesses to the fact of Vaj having been in Victoria]--I would ask you to corroborate the word of LN. This should be extraordinarily easy to do, Lord Knows. 4. The proof that I was not enlightened, and that I knew nothing about The Personal, is proven by the fact that someone
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Yes, this new compassionate intellectual style of yours - it suits you. Just a hint of Robin I noted in one post - no problem. You are one of the brilliant ones Ravi - glad your back. You have a lot to add. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride You are right, I did receive a personal email from that guy where he is totally clueless as to what free and intelligent speech means, I felt sorry for the guy so I let him off the hook very mildly since he was nice and friendly :-) I'm not surprised you noticed the Robinesque posts of mine, I hope he doesn't sue me - I am ready to credit him if he asks :-) May be he won't like it - if so I expect him to stand and speak up. Anyway I would think there is a unique style of mine. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Ha. Good to see there is action over there though. I loved your post actually. What, are you channeling Robin these days...so intellectual and all that. Blew everyone over there away. Ha. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering
[FairfieldLife] Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
[FairfieldLife] Bhagavad-Gita, the condensed version
Photo and caption passed along from a friend, who just nails it... [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224629_348558631\ 891778_1162664539_n.jpg] Arjuna, please, stop groveling and act like the killing machine that you are.
[FairfieldLife] Followup articles on the sorry state of science
For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. Just How Scientific is Science-Based Medicine Really? Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-compa\ nies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-comp\ anies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx The mainly unreported large number of retractions in scientific studies http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-likel\ y-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-like\ ly-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ Precious research money is wasted on unreal results, but we can change the culture of science. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprodu\ cing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html Most People Who Take Blood Pressure Medication Possibly Shouldn't An independent analysis finds no real benefit for people with mild hypertension. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html%20 http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/0\ 8/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_heart\ _attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. Interesting and very disturbing. Nothing wrong with scientific method just too much money at stake I suppose, real shame drug companies have to resort to this sort of thing but drugs are getting harder to develop because the easy work has been done I guess and it's very expensive to test something. This isn't an excuse there has to be some sort of restructuring of funding and laws about publication of evidence. I remember the first time this came to my attention with Prozac, they launched a major PR exercise and got some shrink to lie about how good it was and could transform your life even if you weren't suffering from depression! People took to it and swallowed the stuff like MMs. I was shocked when the truth came out, maybe I shouldn't have been but you hope the hypocratic oath stands for something, and even later they find it's no better than a placebo. Another thing that annoys me as the amount journals charge to read papers, all you can access is the abstract and you can pay $20 for a read of the data. Should all be free to make it easier to research things. . Just How Scientific is Science-Based Medicine Really? Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-compa\ nies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-comp\ anies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx The mainly unreported large number of retractions in scientific studies http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-likel\ y-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-like\ ly-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ Precious research money is wasted on unreal results, but we can change the culture of science. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprodu\ cing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html Most People Who Take Blood Pressure Medication Possibly Shouldn't An independent analysis finds no real benefit for people with mild hypertension. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html%20 http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/0\ 8/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_heart\ _attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. Interesting and very disturbing. Nothing wrong with scientific method just too much money at stake I suppose, real shame drug companies have to resort to this sort of thing but drugs are getting harder to develop because the easy work has been done I guess and it's very expensive to test something. This isn't an excuse there has to be some sort of restructuring of funding and laws about publication of evidence. I remember the first time this came to my attention with Prozac, they launched a major PR exercise and got some shrink to lie about how good it was and could transform your life even if you weren't suffering from depression! People took to it and swallowed the stuff like MMs. I was shocked when the truth came out, maybe I shouldn't have been but you hope the hypocratic oath stands for something, and even later they find it's no better than a placebo. Another thing that annoys me as the amount journals charge to read papers, all you can access is the abstract and you can pay $20 for a read of the data. Should all be free to make it easier to research things. . Just How Scientific is Science-Based Medicine Really? Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-compa\ nies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-comp\ anies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx The mainly unreported large number of retractions in scientific studies http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-likel\ y-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-like\ ly-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ Precious research money is wasted on unreal results, but we can change the culture of science. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprodu\ cing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html Most People Who Take Blood Pressure Medication Possibly Shouldn't An independent analysis finds no real benefit for people with mild hypertension. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html%20 http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/0\ 8/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_heart\ _attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. Interesting and very disturbing. Nothing wrong with scientific method just too much money at stake I suppose, real shame drug companies have to resort to this sort of thing but drugs are getting harder to develop because the easy work has been done I guess and it's very expensive to test something. This isn't an excuse there has to be some sort of restructuring of funding and laws about publication of evidence. The problem, as I see it, is the state of modern science has little to do with the basic principle of science -- the replication of results. And it's all about money. Drug companies invest millions in some new drug and then need to have it tested to get it approved for sale by the FDA and other governmental agencies around the world. So they fund the studies, which *may or may not* influence the results of the studies. The only way to tell whether the preliminary studies paid for by the drug companies are accurate or not is to *replicate the studies*, and try to reproduce the results. That is the *only* way that scientific evidence can be considered to be real evidence. But the problem is, *Who pays for the followup studies*? No real governmental or private agencies are in charge of funding and supporting replication studies. I remember the first time this came to my attention with Prozac, they launched a major PR exercise and got some shrink to lie about how good it was and could transform your life even if you weren't suffering from depression! People took to it and swallowed the stuff like MMs. I was shocked when the truth came out, maybe I shouldn't have been but you hope the hypocratic oath stands for something, and even later they find it's no better than a placebo. Another thing that annoys me as the amount journals charge to read papers, all you can access is the abstract and you can pay $20 for a read of the data. Should all be free to make it easier to research things. I agree. One could almost get the impression that the researchers don't WANT people to view their actual data and look into the details of their methodology, eh? Just How Scientific is Science-Based Medicine Really? Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-compa\ nies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-comp\ anies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx The mainly unreported large number of retractions in scientific studies http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120529181145.htm http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-likel\ y-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/is-misconduct-more-like\ ly-in-drug-trials-than-in-other-biomedical-research/ Precious research money is wasted on unreal results, but we can change the culture of science. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprodu\ cing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/reprod\ ucing_scientific_studies_a_good_housekeeping_seal_of_approval_.html Most People Who Take Blood Pressure Medication Possibly Shouldn't An independent analysis finds no real benefit for people with mild hypertension. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\ t_attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html%20 http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/0\ 8/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_heart\ _attacks_strokes_or_early_death.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/\ 08/blood_pressure_drugs_for_mild_hypertension_not_proven_to_prevent_hear\
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
You are very welcome. The wall, will be called, The Ravi Wall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: ** Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ravi Chivukula* chivukula.ravi@... Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, *this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. *This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -* they are damning and thoroughly convincing*. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case,
[FairfieldLife] Dialog With The Devil
Here's an interesting blog, reposted here for a couple of reasons. The first is that there are a few people here who know who this odd Canadian is, and appreciate his music. The second is that this guy (who I don't know) has found a nice way to talk about music *while giving readers the ability to listen to it*. He just links to the song he's talking about on a site called Grooveshark, which somehow allows you to listen to the music. Cool, say I. No more searching for the song you want to share with people on YouTube, only to discover that the only version of it there is some CAMjob taken from the audience by someone who was seated behind a pole and never noticed because he was too stoned. No more wanting to rap about a fave song and being constrained by the fact that most of your intended audience have never heard it. http://thedeletebin.com/2012/08/13/bruce-cockburn-performs-dialogue-with-the-devil-live-version/ As for the song itself, the blogger barely scratches the surface of it. It's one of the high points not only of Bruce's career, but his growth as a spiritual being. He doesn't just borrow the imagery of Christ standing on a mountaintop having a dialog with The Other Guy, *he puts himself in Christ's shoes*. He can *identify* with the koan/offer being presented to him, and what it means to either accept it, or reject it. Those who get off on Christian imagery here will prob- ably enjoy it, if you don't know the song already. In it, Bruce captures the essence of cool Christianity. That is, the mystery and wonder of Christ is *not* that he was different than we are. It's that he was exactly the same as we are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows
Jyeshtha, keeper of this pathetic lineage. These words of unfortunate restraint, tally these forbidden threads. Foretold by the ruined, flared by her gaze, constrained as a drought stricken farmer, crop circle phenomenon sent to blaze. O' what can nabby do with a waterless plain? O' what can the interment camp do, of these here page? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: May be get Kurt Warner back :-) - what's a little put down between friends huh? Anyway be good - stay away from those three women, I tell ya. Perhaps stick to Emily, Share and Obba? - no offense, not meant in any condescending way, Emily, Share and Obba - more like Kali vs Durga perhaps? - you know what I mean :-) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:02 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** Hey Ravi, Thanks for the friendly tone, even if it's just a pretty big put down. No worries. I just read a post of Robin's that puts things in a little different perspective for me. And I made some apologies. No, I don't really do Fantasy Football. Our football team is pretty lackluster. Maybe that's why we've (the family) have become more hockey fans. Well that and the free tickets. You're right Rav, I'm tired and I need to go to bed. Your kind thoughts will help in that regard. Love ya Brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Steve - look I hate it as well that Olympics have ended as well. Considering I bought an Oakley Team USA Sunglasses with a coupon that equates to number of gold medals won by Team USA which I hoped would get me a good discount off the Rayban I have been eyeing - anyway it's 46. So yeah - look you are just tired and you don't even seem to realize that you have actually accused Judy of slander - OMG - hilarious this. You just need to go to bed my friend. Let me tell me you - these gals - Judy, Ann and Raunchy - whew - I guess the term you wanted to use in your earlier mail was loser right? You feel like a loser along with iranitea and others? I feel for ya man. Anyway football season is starting soon - Yaay !!! The scores should be interesting - do you play fantasy football - hey I can join you if are in any one of these fantasy leagues. Anyway as a friend I had to watch out for you. Good night. Love ya Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:30 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...: ** Raunch, I may have many faults. And I do hold loyalty to my friends to be a most important virtue as you demonstrate to Judy. But I would hope that if I slandered someone inadvertently, and it was pointed out to me, I would have the integrity and courtesy to apologize to that person either directly or in absentia. But that's just me. And when I observe that such a person does not have that integrity, it sort lowers the esteem I have for them, even though they may have many other admirable traits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip God, you're dishonest. Nobody is asking or expecting to be granted omniscience. Common sense is all that's needed in this case. You obviously don't have it. I think this is the reason you are 10,000 and 0 in terms of winning arguments on the various forums in which you participate. When all else fails, you are able to tell the person you are jousting with, what they are actually feeling and what they actually mean to say. That, and the fact that you are indefatigable in carrying arguments to absurd lenghts. Jousting? What jousting, Steve? You fell off the horse first post out of the gate on this thread. You're tilting at windmills, Don Quixote. I suppose I should let Judy answer for herself, and to be kind I shouldn't take advantage the disadvantaged, but alas, it's hard to resist poking fun at someone who won't stay down for the count. don't subscribe to this abilit Most people I know change in the course of 30 years. But at any rate, the fact remains that Robin's claim that Vaj never attended Robin's seminars, or met Robin has been proven wrong. No, it hasn't been. Explain this to me Judy. Try reading Robin's posts, Steve. I don't blame you for not trying to answer this Judy. Kudos to you for that Disingenuous. Judy is asking you to do your homework so she can have an intelligent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows
dear RaunchyD I am saving this post forever because it made me laugh. I am thanking you for same reason. The bit about dog eating homework and the other one about being in hole so stop digging. Very wonderful. Steve, I am not laughing AT you. Why? Because as often happens in these FFL kerfufels, I am unable to follow such discussions: who said what who's lying who's lying about telling the truth who's telling the truth about lying who's snipping unfairly etc. I admit there's a lot of my laziness happening too. Plus it's a deluge when I get on computer in morning so skimming happens. Wish I could stay up late to play with you all but am early riser and have health issues so need to go to bed by 9:30 Central. Triguna said if we went to bed by 8:30 we wouldn't even need ayurveda. Imagine that! Anyway, everyone, keep up the good work. May you all always play as lovingly and wisely and fully as possible. Chubadunga! Share From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip God, you're dishonest. Nobody is asking or expecting to be granted omniscience. Common sense is all that's needed in this case. You obviously don't have it. I think this is the reason you are 10,000 and 0 in terms of winning arguments on the various forums in which you participate. When all else fails, you are able to tell the person you are jousting with, what they are actually feeling and what they actually mean to say. That, and the fact that you are indefatigable in carrying arguments to absurd lenghts. Jousting? What jousting, Steve? You fell off the horse first post out of the gate on this thread. You're tilting at windmills, Don Quixote. I suppose I should let Judy answer for herself, and to be kind I shouldn't take advantage the disadvantaged, but alas, it's hard to resist poking fun at someone who won't stay down for the count. don't subscribe to this abilit Most people I know change in the course of 30 years. But at any rate, the fact remains that Robin's claim that Vaj never attended Robin's seminars, or met Robin has been proven wrong. No, it hasn't been. Explain this to me Judy. Try reading Robin's posts, Steve. I don't blame you for not trying to answer this Judy. Kudos to you for that Disingenuous. Judy is asking you to do your homework so she can have an intelligent discussion with you. If you had simply said, The dog ate my homework, it would have been a more honest response. Again you and Robin seem to maintain that it has not been proven that Vaj has attended Robin's seminars, but yet Robin accepts that word of his lawyer friend who vouches that Vaj did attend the seminars. Or are you saying that Vaj attended in person, but not in spirit? I think this is what Robin is implying, but I'm not sure. Maybe this is the angle you are taking as well. I would appreciate hearing what you have to say on this Nobody is taking this angle. If you now wish to change the assertion from, there is no way Vaj attended my seminars, to well, okay, Vaj attended my seminars, but he didn't get anything out of them else he would still be showing some emotional residue from that time, be my guest. But I call it back pedaling. But hey, it's one way of saving face, or at least trying to. Steve, you can't even keep track of who you're addressing in this post. You were responding to Ravi's post, and you addressed him in your first paragraph; but in the paragraph immediately above, you've switched to addressing Robin-- without realizing what you were doing. Judy, this is one of your specialties. I was well aware that I was, as addressing Robin, when the post was directed to Ravi. It's called taking a little license. It's called making a really dumb mistake and not being willing to admit it. Judy, your omniscience is showing. Doubling down on dumb, isn't a smart move. But if it intrudes with some need to mock on your part, then please go ahead. That lack of attention is representative of how you involve yourself in any controversy here. You simply do not pay attention to what's being said. Not that you have to agree with it, but you at least have to show that you've taken it in and incorporated it into your argument. It's as if you read every fifth word and base your conclusions on what you get from that. It's just unimaginably shallow and superficial. I am sorry Judy that this little inconsistency is what you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: May be get Kurt Warner back :-) Class act, that Kurt Warner. He and Brenda. I admit to being pretty skeptical when an athlete pushes the Fundamentalist Christian agenda. But Kurt comes through. I just hope all those concussions aren't going to cause him problems later. - what's a little put down between friends huh? Anyway be good - stay away from those three women, I tell ya. Perhaps stick to Emily, Share and Obba? - no offense, not meant in any condescending way, Emily, Share and Obba - more like Kali vs Durga perhaps? - you know what I mean :-) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:02 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** Hey Ravi, Thanks for the friendly tone, even if it's just a pretty big put down. No worries. I just read a post of Robin's that puts things in a little different perspective for me. And I made some apologies. No, I don't really do Fantasy Football. Our football team is pretty lackluster. Maybe that's why we've (the family) have become more hockey fans. Well that and the free tickets. You're right Rav, I'm tired and I need to go to bed. Your kind thoughts will help in that regard. Love ya Brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Steve - look I hate it as well that Olympics have ended as well. Considering I bought an Oakley Team USA Sunglasses with a coupon that equates to number of gold medals won by Team USA which I hoped would get me a good discount off the Rayban I have been eyeing - anyway it's 46. So yeah - look you are just tired and you don't even seem to realize that you have actually accused Judy of slander - OMG - hilarious this. You just need to go to bed my friend. Let me tell me you - these gals - Judy, Ann and Raunchy - whew - I guess the term you wanted to use in your earlier mail was loser right? You feel like a loser along with iranitea and others? I feel for ya man. Anyway football season is starting soon - Yaay !!! The scores should be interesting - do you play fantasy football - hey I can join you if are in any one of these fantasy leagues. Anyway as a friend I had to watch out for you. Good night. Love ya Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:30 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...: ** Raunch, I may have many faults. And I do hold loyalty to my friends to be a most important virtue as you demonstrate to Judy. But I would hope that if I slandered someone inadvertently, and it was pointed out to me, I would have the integrity and courtesy to apologize to that person either directly or in absentia. But that's just me. And when I observe that such a person does not have that integrity, it sort lowers the esteem I have for them, even though they may have many other admirable traits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip God, you're dishonest. Nobody is asking or expecting to be granted omniscience. Common sense is all that's needed in this case. You obviously don't have it. I think this is the reason you are 10,000 and 0 in terms of winning arguments on the various forums in which you participate. When all else fails, you are able to tell the person you are jousting with, what they are actually feeling and what they actually mean to say. That, and the fact that you are indefatigable in carrying arguments to absurd lenghts. Jousting? What jousting, Steve? You fell off the horse first post out of the gate on this thread. You're tilting at windmills, Don Quixote. I suppose I should let Judy answer for herself, and to be kind I shouldn't take advantage the disadvantaged, but alas, it's hard to resist poking fun at someone who won't stay down for the count. don't subscribe to this abilit Most people I know change in the course of 30 years. But at any rate, the fact remains that Robin's claim that Vaj never attended Robin's seminars, or met Robin has been proven wrong. No, it hasn't been. Explain this to me Judy. Try reading Robin's posts, Steve. I don't blame you for not trying to answer this Judy. Kudos to you for that Disingenuous. Judy is asking you to do your homework so she can have an intelligent discussion with you. If you had simply said, The dog ate my homework, it would have been a more honest response.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The argument against Vaj knowing Robin
Hi Em, Robin''s bullet point letter was clear to me. Up until that point I could not make sense of all the inferences. But I think he spelled it out in his letter and I am convinced of his sincerity to wanting to clear up the matter. In the past Vaj has also indicated his desire to set the record straight. I hope this will be the case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Steve, Steve.  You are a busy man, as you note.  Running a business, raising a family.  That's a lot.  I have a lot of respect for you.  All aspects of a conversation are of value in most cases.  I choose to believe in Robin's sincerity on wanting to get this matter settled, as lord knows, he's been dealing with all this for awhile now.  Methinks the truth might be too close for comfort for Vaj (either way), but we shall see.    From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The argument against Vaj knowing Robin  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hey I just read this letter. This sounds pretty fair to me. My apologies to Robin and also to Judy for making some assumptions that have been cleared up by this post and letter. Sounds like you are being sincere in your desire to get to the bottom of it Robin. That would be cool to get some closure on the matter. See how easy that was? Just a little bit of homework and you don't set yourself up for a loosing battle. Word to the wise. If you want to stay out of an argument with Judy, be more attentive to reading comprehension. Apologies delivered and accepted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Note: This is a letter which I wrote to Lord Knows upon receiving the letter from LN--before I realized he was a lawyer. I set out the case against accepting the truth of the letter. Juxtaposed with the letter that the lawyer has written, were he not a lawyer, the case that I make for Vaj not knowing me and not attending a seminar seems overwhelming to me. Once this letter was sent to Lord Knows, however, upon discovering that this old friend (LN) was a lawyer I decided to accept that I was really raised by Grizzlies in Alaska. I should stipulate once again that I would wish to resolve this matter in a humanly appropriate way, and that Vaj himself can very easily bring about this satisfactory resolution. As can any number of persons who knew me at the time that LN alleges that Vaj knew me. Jesus Christ! I want it to be true that I knew Vaj. But I will need evidence which becomes the innocent refutation of the evidence I have presented in this sixteen point letter to LK. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lord Knows, Vaj, then, attended a course in Victoria? He was with [lawyer's name: herein: LN] and Gary Ostlerlund. Vaj has never claimed he knew me in Victoria. While I trusted LN when I knew him, I can understand his willingness to testify to something which would have consequences that might adversely affect me. I will need another witness other than LN to verify the physical presence of Vaj in Victoria in the summer of 1986. I am profoundly drawn to the truth of things, and I have no reason--none--to question someone's claim that he or she knew me, attended a seminar, was initiated into TM, knew Maharishi, and taught TM. But I am saying that LN is not telling the truth here. Not because I have any reason to be harmed by acknowledging that someone knew me that I didn't think knew me. However here are the facts which contradict LN: 1. Vaj claims he was initiated into TM, that he taught TM, that he met Maharishi. He has never provided any kind of proof of this, and he refuses to do so. And everything he says about TM, how it is done, what the experience is, and what it is to teach TM simply does not accord with reality. The reality of TM. 2. Vaj says that he came to Washington, DC, and deconstructed my enlightenment such as to prove to everyone present how false my claims were and how easy it was to prove that my integrity was an entire fiction. 3. Vaj has never furnished a single iota of proof that would demonstrate any personal knowledge of me. If Vaj came to Victoria, how could it be that I would not have met him, known him, interacted with him? I remember every person who attended a seminar, and if Vaj was there at that time, then he must have stayed at one of the houses. He must have made himself known to many persons other than LN. In your letter of ten years ago you told me you maintained contact with everyone from the Ten Years. I would need at least two other persons from that course to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] dear Rick Raunchy Nablusoss
Hi Rick, is it possible to increase the posting limit to 70/week which is 10/day which is easier on sharelong 64 yr old brain? Hi Raunchy, forgot to thank for Roz Russell clip, the Queen of Droll. My absolute favorite: Auntie Mame which one must see. Her gang sort of like the one here on FFL (-: Hi Mr. Nablusoss, I won't call you Nabby because sometimes that's used meanly. I want to confess that I don't know if this is your personal name or your family name. Also that I don't know how to pronounce it wherever it falls. So in my head somehow I've ended up calling you Apple Sauce. Please tell me if you object and I will no longer use it here Mr. Sauce, just to set the record straight, you were the first one to post that beautiful Buddhist crop circle. Not Mr. Turq. So I'm quite sure there was no pooping in pants happening. But I do wonder if maybe BW snuck over from Bad Canal World Habits to create that just for you. What do you think? BTW, thanking you as always for crop circles.
[FairfieldLife] Fw: Buddha Relics in Des Moines this weekend
You won't want to miss the Maitreya Project Heart Shrine Relic Tour this weekend in Des Moines. An exhibition of sacred Relics of the Buddha and other Buddhist Masters Dates - Friday, Aug 17th from 6-8 pm - Opening Ceremony ( they are expecting 1200 people and the doors lock at 6:00, so give yourself lots of time to get there) Saturday, Aug. 18th from 10 am to 7 pm Sunday, Aug. 19th from 10 am to 5 pm The Des Moines Register has an article, called Buddhist Relics Stop in Des Moines this weekend Check it out, it talks about people having healing experiences just being in the room with the relics. Location: Hoyt Sherman Place, 1501 Woodland Ave., Des Moines, IA 50309 website: www.hoytsherman.org www.maitreyaproject.org
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read. She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way). If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no? The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile. I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution. Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is. She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma. A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were. Finding new footing can be a rocky ride. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: dear Rick Raunchy Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Rick, is it possible to increase the posting limit to 70/week which is 10/day which is easier on sharelong 64 yr old brain? Hi Raunchy, forgot to thank for Roz Russell clip, the Queen of Droll. My absolute favorite: Auntie Mame which one must see. Her gang sort of like the one here on FFL (-: Hi Mr. Nablusoss, Hello ShareLong, I won't call you Nabby because sometimes that's used meanly. It was started by, guess who ! I want to confess that I don't know if this is your personal name or your family name. It's a nick I picked up on feeling the intense stress coming from the Palestinian city of Nablus when the israelies were conducting the huge massacres there. Also that I don't know how to pronounce it wherever it falls. So in my head somehow I've ended up calling you Apple Sauce. Please tell me if you object and I will no longer use it here Both Nablusos and Apple Sauce are nice :-) Mr. Sauce, just to set the record straight, you were the first one to post that beautiful Buddhist crop circle. Not Mr. Turq. So I'm quite sure there was no pooping in pants happening. But I do wonder if maybe BW snuck over from Bad Canal World Habits to create that just for you. What do you think? Impossible. He is an old man now, given to walking, sitting on benches thinking about death etc where he is experiencing quitness, or SILENCE which he preffers to call it. So no, I still think our SpaceBrothers are the culprits. BTW, thanking you as always for crop circles. Thank you too for posting here, and no, I think a 70 postinglimit is a non-good idea. I already have a hard time digesting all the SILENCE coming from Leiden as it is, thank you very much !
[FairfieldLife] Re: dear Rick Raunchy Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Rick, is it possible to increase the posting limit to 70/week which is 10/day which is easier on sharelong 64 yr old brain? Hi Raunchy, forgot to thank for Roz Russell clip, the Queen of Droll. My absolute favorite: Auntie Mame which one must see. Her gang sort of like the one here on FFL (-: Thanks, Share. My father was a Rosalind Russel fan so much so he named my sister after her. Loved Auntie Mame. His Girl Friday Roz with Cary Grant, have you seen it? http://youtu.be/K-Rx6FrjX5k Hi Mr. Nablusoss, Hello ShareLong, I won't call you Nabby because sometimes that's used meanly. It was started by, guess who ! I want to confess that I don't know if this is your personal name or your family name. It's a nick I picked up on feeling the intense stress coming from the Palestinian city of Nablus when the israelies were conducting the huge massacres there. Also that I don't know how to pronounce it wherever it falls. So in my head somehow I've ended up calling you Apple Sauce. Please tell me if you object and I will no longer use it here Both Nablusos and Apple Sauce are nice :-) Mr. Sauce, just to set the record straight, you were the first one to post that beautiful Buddhist crop circle. Not Mr. Turq. So I'm quite sure there was no pooping in pants happening. But I do wonder if maybe BW snuck over from Bad Canal World Habits to create that just for you. What do you think? Impossible. He is an old man now, given to walking, sitting on benches thinking about death etc where he is experiencing quitness, or SILENCE which he preffers to call it. So no, I still think our SpaceBrothers are the culprits. BTW, thanking you as always for crop circles. Thank you too for posting here, and no, I think a 70 postinglimit is a non-good idea. I already have a hard time digesting all the SILENCE coming from Leiden as it is, thank you very much !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Are you talking about Bronte? She was here, and did her thing. I don't recall all the details. Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC. But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows
Oh you are too kind, Mr. Ravi but evidence shows that I wear pink and as we know any woman over age of 6 who wears pink should be avoided like the plague. According to Mr. Wright but I am not taking the time to locate that post. See, another reason to exclude me from auspicious grouping. PS I remember you from other funny forum, Buddha At Gas Pump aka Batgap aka Bat. Seems so long ago... From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows May be get Kurt Warner back :-) - what's a little put down between friends huh? Anyway be good - stay away from those three women, I tell ya. Perhaps stick to Emily, Share and Obba? - no offense, not meant in any condescending way, Emily, Share and Obba - more like Kali vs Durga perhaps? - you know what I mean :-) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:02 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey Ravi, Thanks for the friendly tone, even if it's just a pretty big put down. No worries. I just read a post of Robin's that puts things in a little different perspective for me. And I made some apologies. No, I don't really do Fantasy Football. Our football team is pretty lackluster. Maybe that's why we've (the family) have become more hockey fans. Well that and the free tickets. You're right Rav, I'm tired and I need to go to bed. Your kind thoughts will help in that regard. Love ya Brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve - look I hate it as well that Olympics have ended as well. Considering I bought an Oakley Team USA Sunglasses with a coupon that equates to number of gold medals won by Team USA which I hoped would get me a good discount off the Rayban I have been eyeing - anyway it's 46. So yeah - look you are just tired and you don't even seem to realize that you have actually accused Judy of slander - OMG - hilarious this. You just need to go to bed my friend. Let me tell me you - these gals - Judy, Ann and Raunchy - whew - I guess the term you wanted to use in your earlier mail was loser right? You feel like a loser along with iranitea and others? I feel for ya man. Anyway football season is starting soon - Yaay !!! The scores should be interesting - do you play fantasy football - hey I can join you if are in any one of these fantasy leagues. Anyway as a friend I had to watch out for you. Good night. Love ya Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:30 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** Raunch, I may have many faults. And I do hold loyalty to my friends to be a most important virtue as you demonstrate to Judy. But I would hope that if I slandered someone inadvertently, and it was pointed out to me, I would have the integrity and courtesy to apologize to that person either directly or in absentia. But that's just me. And when I observe that such a person does not have that integrity, it sort lowers the esteem I have for them, even though they may have many other admirable traits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip God, you're dishonest. Nobody is asking or expecting to be granted omniscience. Common sense is all that's needed in this case. You obviously don't have it. I think this is the reason you are 10,000 and 0 in terms of winning arguments on the various forums in which you participate. When all else fails, you are able to tell the person you are jousting with, what they are actually feeling and what they actually mean to say. That, and the fact that you are indefatigable in carrying arguments to absurd lenghts. Jousting? What jousting, Steve? You fell off the horse first post out of the gate on this thread. You're tilting at windmills, Don Quixote. I suppose I should let Judy answer for herself, and to be kind I shouldn't take advantage the disadvantaged, but alas, it's hard to resist poking fun at someone who won't stay down for the count. don't subscribe to this abilit Most people I know change in the course of 30 years. But at any rate, the fact remains that Robin's claim that Vaj never attended Robin's seminars, or met Robin has been proven wrong. No, it hasn't been. Explain this to me Judy. Try reading Robin's posts, Steve. I don't blame you for not trying to answer this Judy. Kudos to you for that Disingenuous. Judy is asking you to do your homework so she can have an intelligent
[FairfieldLife] responding to Derrida on words
This was offered by another poster on another forum. In 2007! The four levels of speech from tantric tradition are para (transcendent or nondual speech), pashyanti (the speech which is seen), madhyama (mental speech), vaikhari (spoken speech). In para, one just has to hang around a nondual realizer and they realize that that state transmits the potentiality for all answers without an intervening transfer. So the tension of question and answer just spontaneously resolves itself at that level. Thus a realizer radiating bodhichitta, the thought of enlightenment for all sentience tends to actualize realization in others merely by their presence, although this is not necessarily is limited by space/ distance or time. Pashyanti is pure visionary speech beyond karmic vision. Madhyama are thoughts or communication within the mental body or dimension. Vaikhari is dualistic speech coming from our vocal chords.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site. The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates. She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward. As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places. Or, they can jump into other places at the onset. Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Are you talking about Bronte? She was here, and did her thing. I don't recall all the details. Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC. But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read. àShe's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way). àIf she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no? àThe shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile. àI couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution. àBronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is. àShe is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma. àA bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were. àFinding new footing can be a rocky ride. àFrom: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
On 08/15/2012 02:39 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. Interesting and very disturbing. Nothing wrong with scientific method just too much money at stake I suppose, real shame drug companies have to resort to this sort of thing but drugs are getting harder to develop because the easy work has been done I guess and it's very expensive to test something. This isn't an excuse there has to be some sort of restructuring of funding and laws about publication of evidence. The problem, as I see it, is the state of modern science has little to do with the basic principle of science -- the replication of results. And it's all about money. Drug companies invest millions in some new drug and then need to have it tested to get it approved for sale by the FDA and other governmental agencies around the world. So they fund the studies, which *may or may not* influence the results of the studies. The only way to tell whether the preliminary studies paid for by the drug companies are accurate or not is to *replicate the studies*, and try to reproduce the results. That is the *only* way that scientific evidence can be considered to be real evidence. But the problem is, *Who pays for the followup studies*? No real governmental or private agencies are in charge of funding and supporting replication studies. The problem is for profit medicine. These companies have to invent new drugs just to keep the cash flow going. It has little or nothing to do with solving health problems just their economic health problems. IOW, science is getting gamed for the profits of these companies. Human health is pretty much dependent on biochemistry. There are a lot of problems that can be solved with traditional and ancient medicine all which falls in line with biochemistry. But there are no big profits in that for the boys in the Armani suits. As we don't want to be living in the Orwellian 1984 world neither should we be living in the Huxley Brave New World.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
snip I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Barry, being the first post I read this morning, I got a huge laugh out of this, btw. Really, this could be a line in a comic strip. From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:53 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. LOL No laughing matter this. The Waybackwards as we know are kith and kin to the Wrights. Sure the behavior of Ms. Waybackward is an affront to all of us here but we need to consider the emotionally delicate and fragile state of mind King Baby Wright is in. He is in shock at the reappearance of The Voices he hears - the voice #2, which is clear when you look at his behavior yesterday, his somber, slumberous, soliloquies with Barry 2. I may not be his personal psychiatrist, but I'm his, self appointed one here. I challenge any of his personal psychiatrists to match my insights on him. So let's show him some compassion here - let him recuperate under the mind-numbingly stupid yet loving guidance of the Waybackwards, the Dumbazgreys. I would even go as far as to suggest some spiritual, moral guidance for King Baby - I can't think of anyone but His Holiness. Clearly the love, trust, faith King Baby shows in His Holiness is well documented. So his presence is truly needed - the situation is very grave. Love, Ravi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote Barry: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Robin: I felt the insanity possessing me, Barry, but I thought my bedazzling and sophistical rebuttals might just overcome the cold objectivity of your mind. I was incorrect: I got called on it--Wish you had intervened a little sooner--but then I felt your attitude was not quite sympathetic enough, even when you did. While I grant the truth of almost all that you say on FFL (most especially when an issue is being controverted passionately), I think you make it harder on me than you realize: you want me to get a deeper perspective, but--maybe I am now paranoid here--I get the feeling--not always, but sometimes--that you are judging me, that even you are casting me out, giving up in me, then. I know you don't mean to be this fatalistic about me, but it would mean a great deal to me, Barry, if you at least encouraged me to amend my behaviour. Mind you, don't get me wrong: I appreciate the truth--and you dish it out prodigally here at FFL--it is just that sometimes--not always, as I say--it doesn't have enough sweetness in it for me to swallow it right then and there. And I am inclined (can't help this) to begin to rationalize and self-justify as soon as there is a little lapse of time--which explains of course the fact that I appear to be terminal. I need only some proffering of hope and faith, Barry. I know you are willing to give it to me. Some mercy, then, Barry. Still, reading this is salutary. And I thank you. Barry as Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Robin: There was a slight tinge of the totally awesome when I pretended I was enlightened, Barry, but the deranged psychopathic charlatan:-- I always knew throughout those ten years that was closer to the truth. Vaj has refused to become credible on FFL as someone who knew me and attended seminars, because he wants to give me his loving criticism, but he is protecting me by making sure he sounds as if he really didn't know me and didn't attend any seminars. It is an algorithm of truth which no one but God and Vaj know. But guess what, Barry? I get it--and if the truth be known, I have always got it. This is a charade. And it is about time that I was called on it. Folks, Vaj has acted like a dishonest witness to Robin's past because he wishes to strike the truth into me--which he has--while at the same time giving me the means to refute him, even as in that act of attacking Vaj, I am aware of this most exquisite form of martyrdom. Barry as Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Robin: This seems too straightforward for commentary. Of course this is true. But it seems too obvious to have said, Barry. The only problem is, the feeding is never enough. And I don't understand this. But the neediness, I am working on that big-time. Is there some way you can prevail upon the posters here at FFL NOT TO FEED ROBIN? The deprivation, it will, I think, heal me. No; I have changed my mind; I think it was important that my exact thoughts and feelings get represented here in Voice 2. So, no harm done, Barry. This was necessary. I wonder whether that neediness and starvation comes from? Ah, I think I know: I am starving myself of contact with the Impersonal God in my fanatical adherence to this first-person ontological thing. No, that can't be it. You are making contact with the pathology, Barry; what do *you* think is its etiology? Barry as Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. Robin: No, no. This defending of crazy people, this is compassion, Barry. You think that those who write in support of me are duped by me. You are wrong. They are part of the same collective compensatory mechanism which seeks my cure. You are for tough love. They, their stratagem is more sophisticated: I assure you, Barry, most of these persons have a much harsher and more hopeless view of me than you do--but at least they are giving me a chance. First, by seemingly to reinforce me. But in effect it is like the Special Olympics all the way--they don't really mean what they say. And I am somewhat surprised you can't see through this ruse--benignly motivated as it is. They agree with you entirely--so I think you should not go after the very persons who diagnostic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I choose to reserve judgment on all three adjectives. She's been pretty clear that the ExAmma site is *not* for the same stated purpose as is the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. I *still* believe the site serves a purpose at this stage in the evolution of the movement. It happens to be strongly moderated by Bronte. One has to deal with the baby and the bath water in that sense. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
Well, the amends just never stop with you Robin - your humility is admirable :). I think Voice 2 was directed at Ravi, yes? From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote Barry: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Robin: I felt the insanity possessing me, Barry, but I thought my bedazzling and sophistical rebuttals might just overcome the cold objectivity of your mind. I was incorrect: I got called on it--Wish you had intervened a little sooner--but then I felt your attitude was not quite sympathetic enough, even when you did. While I grant the truth of almost all that you say on FFL (most especially when an issue is being controverted passionately), I think you make it harder on me than you realize: you want me to get a deeper perspective, but--maybe I am now paranoid here--I get the feeling--not always, but sometimes--that you are judging me, that even you are casting me out, giving up in me, then. I know you don't mean to be this fatalistic about me, but it would mean a great deal to me, Barry, if you at least encouraged me to amend my behaviour. Mind you, don't get me wrong: I appreciate the truth--and you dish it out prodigally here at FFL--it is just that sometimes--not always, as I say--it doesn't have enough sweetness in it for me to swallow it right then and there. And I am inclined (can't help this) to begin to rationalize and self-justify as soon as there is a little lapse of time--which explains of course the fact that I appear to be terminal. I need only some proffering of hope and faith, Barry. I know you are willing to give it to me. Some mercy, then, Barry. Still, reading this is salutary. And I thank you. Barry as Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Robin: There was a slight tinge of the totally awesome when I pretended I was enlightened, Barry, but the deranged psychopathic charlatan:-- I always knew throughout those ten years that was closer to the truth. Vaj has refused to become credible on FFL as someone who knew me and attended seminars, because he wants to give me his loving criticism, but he is protecting me by making sure he sounds as if he really didn't know me and didn't attend any seminars. It is an algorithm of truth which no one but God and Vaj know. But guess what, Barry? I get it--and if the truth be known, I have always got it. This is a charade. And it is about time that I was called on it. Folks, Vaj has acted like a dishonest witness to Robin's past because he wishes to strike the truth into me--which he has--while at the same time giving me the means to refute him, even as in that act of attacking Vaj, I am aware of this most exquisite form of martyrdom. Barry as Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Robin: This seems too straightforward for commentary. Of course this is true. But it seems too obvious to have said, Barry. The only problem is, the feeding is never enough. And I don't understand this. But the neediness, I am working on that big-time. Is there some way you can prevail upon the posters here at FFL NOT TO FEED ROBIN? The deprivation, it will, I think, heal me. No; I have changed my mind; I think it was important that my exact thoughts and feelings get represented here in Voice 2. So, no harm done, Barry. This was necessary. I wonder whether that neediness and starvation comes from? Ah, I think I know: I am starving myself of contact with the Impersonal God in my fanatical adherence to this first-person ontological thing. No, that can't be it. You are making contact with the pathology, Barry; what do *you* think is its etiology? Barry as Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. Robin: No, no. This defending of crazy people, this is compassion, Barry. You think that those who write in support of me are duped by me. You are wrong. They are part of the same collective compensatory mechanism which seeks my cure. You are for tough love. They, their stratagem is more sophisticated: I assure you, Barry, most of these persons have a much harsher and more hopeless view of me than you do--but at least they are
[FairfieldLife] The Assumption of the Virgin Mary August 15
Celebrated every year on August 15, the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary commemorates the death of Mary and her bodily assumption into Heaven, before her body could begin to decay--a foretaste of our own bodily resurrection at the end of time. Because it signifies the Blessed Virgin's passing into eternal life, it is the most important of all Marian feasts and a Holy Day of Obligation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows
Dear Share, LOL..yes I do fondly remember our conversations from Batgap, how could I not remember that kind and sweet lady? Yes it's been 2 years - sorry I couldn't get to your astrology post from yesterday but I'm sure we will interact more. P.S. now that I have interacted with you watch out for a nasty post from an unknown person to be mailed to you privately via yahoo groups. I have been kindly notified of it's presence. Love, Ravi On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh you are too kind, Mr. Ravi but evidence shows that I wear pink and as we know any woman over age of 6 who wears pink should be avoided like the plague. According to Mr. Wright but I am not taking the time to locate that post. See, another reason to exclude me from auspicious grouping. PS I remember you from other funny forum, Buddha At Gas Pump aka Batgap aka Bat. Seems so long ago... From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows May be get Kurt Warner back :-) - what's a little put down between friends huh? Anyway be good - stay away from those three women, I tell ya. Perhaps stick to Emily, Share and Obba? - no offense, not meant in any condescending way, Emily, Share and Obba - more like Kali vs Durga perhaps? - you know what I mean :-) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:02 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey Ravi, Thanks for the friendly tone, even if it's just a pretty big put down. No worries. I just read a post of Robin's that puts things in a little different perspective for me. And I made some apologies. No, I don't really do Fantasy Football. Our football team is pretty lackluster. Maybe that's why we've (the family) have become more hockey fans. Well that and the free tickets. You're right Rav, I'm tired and I need to go to bed. Your kind thoughts will help in that regard. Love ya Brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve - look I hate it as well that Olympics have ended as well. Considering I bought an Oakley Team USA Sunglasses with a coupon that equates to number of gold medals won by Team USA which I hoped would get me a good discount off the Rayban I have been eyeing - anyway it's 46. So yeah - look you are just tired and you don't even seem to realize that you have actually accused Judy of slander - OMG - hilarious this. You just need to go to bed my friend. Let me tell me you - these gals - Judy, Ann and Raunchy - whew - I guess the term you wanted to use in your earlier mail was loser right? You feel like a loser along with iranitea and others? I feel for ya man. Anyway football season is starting soon - Yaay !!! The scores should be interesting - do you play fantasy football - hey I can join you if are in any one of these fantasy leagues. Anyway as a friend I had to watch out for you. Good night. Love ya Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:30 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** Raunch, I may have many faults. And I do hold loyalty to my friends to be a most important virtue as you demonstrate to Judy. But I would hope that if I slandered someone inadvertently, and it was pointed out to me, I would have the integrity and courtesy to apologize to that person either directly or in absentia. But that's just me. And when I observe that such a person does not have that integrity, it sort lowers the esteem I have for them, even though they may have many other admirable traits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip God, you're dishonest. Nobody is asking or expecting to be granted omniscience. Common sense is all that's needed in this case. You obviously don't have it. I think this is the reason you are 10,000 and 0 in terms of winning arguments on the various forums in which you participate. When all else fails, you are able to tell the person you are jousting with, what they are actually feeling and what they actually mean to say. That, and the fact that you are indefatigable in carrying arguments to absurd lenghts. Jousting? What jousting, Steve? You fell off the horse first post out of the gate on this thread. You're tilting at windmills, Don Quixote. I suppose I should let Judy answer for herself, and to be kind I shouldn't take advantage the disadvantaged, but alas, it's hard to resist poking fun
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
Dear Emily, You're right. I misread that. I'm back I thought meant that after the acknowledgement of the lawyer's letter I came back to more or less defend my original position. Of course I realize now that Barry was addressing the new old guy. I am glad you caught my humility sans irony. Barry is one of the few persons whom I feel I can really open up to. It's going to get interesting now, I think. For me, I look forward to the shock of learning that Vaj knew me all the time. Because then, I can really get a reality fix. You know, where boundaries come undone, and you have to let go, and get recreated. I would much rather this turn out to be the case than that I have been 'right' all along. Because with the proof that Vaj will bring will be the explanation for why I found him not credible. It is an answer to a mystery which we can only pray Vaj will vouchsafe us. Love going out to you, Emily. Sometimes I can be serious. I want you to be happy. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Well, the amends just never stop with you Robin - your humility is admirable :).  I think Voice 2 was directed at Ravi, yes? From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote Barry: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Robin: I felt the insanity possessing me, Barry, but I thought my bedazzling and sophistical rebuttals might just overcome the cold objectivity of your mind. I was incorrect: I got called on it--Wish you had intervened a little sooner--but then I felt your attitude was not quite sympathetic enough, even when you did. While I grant the truth of almost all that you say on FFL (most especially when an issue is being controverted passionately), I think you make it harder on me than you realize: you want me to get a deeper perspective, but--maybe I am now paranoid here--I get the feeling--not always, but sometimes--that you are judging me, that even you are casting me out, giving up in me, then. I know you don't mean to be this fatalistic about me, but it would mean a great deal to me, Barry, if you at least encouraged me to amend my behaviour. Mind you, don't get me wrong: I appreciate the truth--and you dish it out prodigally here at FFL--it is just that sometimes--not always, as I say--it doesn't have enough sweetness in it for me to swallow it right then and there. And I am inclined (can't help this) to begin to rationalize and self-justify as soon as there is a little lapse of time--which explains of course the fact that I appear to be terminal. I need only some proffering of hope and faith, Barry. I know you are willing to give it to me. Some mercy, then, Barry. Still, reading this is salutary. And I thank you. Barry as Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Robin: There was a slight tinge of the totally awesome when I pretended I was enlightened, Barry, but the deranged psychopathic charlatan:-- I always knew throughout those ten years that was closer to the truth. Vaj has refused to become credible on FFL as someone who knew me and attended seminars, because he wants to give me his loving criticism, but he is protecting me by making sure he sounds as if he really didn't know me and didn't attend any seminars. It is an algorithm of truth which no one but God and Vaj know. But guess what, Barry? I get it--and if the truth be known, I have always got it. This is a charade. And it is about time that I was called on it. Folks, Vaj has acted like a dishonest witness to Robin's past because he wishes to strike the truth into me--which he has--while at the same time giving me the means to refute him, even as in that act of attacking Vaj, I am aware of this most exquisite form of martyrdom. Barry as Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Robin: This seems too straightforward for commentary. Of course this is true. But it seems too obvious to have said, Barry. The only problem is, the feeding is never enough. And I don't understand this. But the neediness, I am working on that big-time. Is there some way you can prevail upon the posters here at FFL NOT TO FEED ROBIN? The deprivation, it will,
[FairfieldLife] Neal Patterson's Brother
Well here is a fun video of Neal Patterson's brother John from 2010. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/12/20/bc-stock-market-fraud-patterson.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:53 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. LOL No laughing matter this. The Waybackwards as we know are kith and kin to the Wrights. Sure the behavior of Ms. Waybackward is an affront to all of us here but we need to consider the emotionally delicate and fragile state of mind King Baby Wright is in. He is in shock at the reappearance of The Voices he hears - the voice #2, which is clear when you look at his behavior yesterday, his somber, slumberous, soliloquies with Barry 2. I may not be his personal psychiatrist, but I'm his, self appointed one here. I challenge any of his personal psychiatrists to match my insights on him. So let's show him some compassion here - let him recuperate under the mind-numbingly stupid yet loving guidance of the Waybackwards, the Dumbazgreys. I would even go as far as to suggest some spiritual, moral guidance for King Baby - I can't think of anyone but His Holiness. Clearly the love, trust, faith King Baby shows in His Holiness is well documented. So his presence is truly needed - the situation is very grave. Love, Ravi That Love Ravi gets me every time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
Dear Ann, That Love Ravi gets me every time. I hope in a positive way? I'm in a dilemma every time I put my name, to use it or not to use it? I face this dreaded choice everytime I post. I just go with the flow. Iranitea aka zarzari_786 called it love bombing. Love, Ravi. On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:53 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. LOL No laughing matter this. The Waybackwards as we know are kith and kin to the Wrights. Sure the behavior of Ms. Waybackward is an affront to all of us here but we need to consider the emotionally delicate and fragile state of mind King Baby Wright is in. He is in shock at the reappearance of The Voices he hears - the voice #2, which is clear when you look at his behavior yesterday, his somber, slumberous, soliloquies with Barry 2. I may not be his personal psychiatrist, but I'm his, self appointed one here. I challenge any of his personal psychiatrists to match my insights on him. So let's show him some compassion here - let him recuperate under the mind-numbingly stupid yet loving guidance of the Waybackwards, the Dumbazgreys. I would even go as far as to suggest some spiritual, moral guidance for King Baby - I can't think of anyone but His Holiness. Clearly the love, trust, faith King Baby shows in His Holiness is well documented. So his presence is truly needed - the situation is very grave. Love, Ravi That Love Ravi gets me every time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Ann, That Love Ravi gets me every time. I hope in a positive way? I'm in a dilemma every time I put my name, to use it or not to use it? I face this dreaded choice everytime I post. I just go with the flow. Iranitea aka zarzari_786 called it love bombing. Love, Ravi. Yes, in a positive way. It just seems to make whatever you wrote before it just fine and dandy and that you are most likely a fundamentally hunky dory guy. I might be setting myself up for something by saying this but so be it. Bomb away. On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:53 AM, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I, for one, appreciate the restraint and polite tone of your remarks. LOL No laughing matter this. The Waybackwards as we know are kith and kin to the Wrights. Sure the behavior of Ms. Waybackward is an affront to all of us here but we need to consider the emotionally delicate and fragile state of mind King Baby Wright is in. He is in shock at the reappearance of The Voices he hears - the voice #2, which is clear when you look at his behavior yesterday, his somber, slumberous, soliloquies with Barry 2. I may not be his personal psychiatrist, but I'm his, self appointed one here. I challenge any of his personal psychiatrists to match my insights on him. So let's show him some compassion here - let him recuperate under the mind-numbingly stupid yet loving guidance of the Waybackwards, the Dumbazgreys. I would even go as far as to suggest some spiritual, moral guidance for King Baby - I can't think of anyone but His Holiness. Clearly the love, trust, faith King Baby shows in His Holiness is well documented. So his presence is truly needed - the situation is very grave. Love, Ravi That Love Ravi gets me every time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Assumption of the Virgin Mary August 15
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Celebrated every year on August 15, the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary commemorates the death of Mary and her bodily assumption into Heaven, before her body could begin to decay--a foretaste of our own bodily resurrection at the end of time. Because it signifies the Blessed Virgin's passing into eternal life, it is the most important of all Marian feasts and a Holy Day of Obligation. [famous paintings assumption of the virgin] Paintings of the Assumption are often among the more extravagant religious artworks, with hordes of angels trailing billowing draperies as they hoist Mary aloft, and crowds of onlookers below gaping rapturously at the sky or peering astonished into the empty tomb. I love this one by the French painter Nicolas Poussin. It's one of his earliest, around 1635, very different in style from his later more classical works. The scene is quite peaceful, as if the miraculous event had just taken place quietly one afternoon. No multitudes of excited witnesses, no heavenly host, only Mary and a little flock of attending cherubs. There's a wonderful sense of airiness surrounding her as she's lifted gently up through the clouds. Mary is lovely but not glamorous; there's even a suggestion of matronliness about her figure. Her expression is radiant but calm as she gazes expectantly toward heaven. And the cherubs look like real babies, innocent and playful and even a bit awkward as they cluster around her. Detail of Mary: http://www.restoredtraditions.com/images/products/detail/Poussin_detail_\ of_the_Assumption_of_the_Virgin.jpg http://www.restoredtraditions.com/images/products/detail/Poussin_detail\ _of_the_Assumption_of_the_Virgin.jpg http://tinyurl.com/9n5hjp7 http://tinyurl.com/9n5hjp7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. Don't know what she's like now, but she sure was pretty, well, strange when she was on FFL for awhile about five years ago. Among other things, at the time she was a fan of arch- conspiracy theorist David Icke, of whom Wikipedia says: At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie. O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-K... On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site. à The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates. à She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward. à As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places. à Or, they can jump into other places at the onset. à Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. à à From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride à Are you talking about Bronte? à She was here, and did her thing. à I don't recall all the details. à Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC. à But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read. Ãâà She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way). Ãâà If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no? Ãâà The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile. Ãâà I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution. Ãâà Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is. Ãâà She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma. Ãâà A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were. Ãâà Finding new footing can be a rocky ride. Ãâà From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Ãâà --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip Another thing that annoys me as the amount journals charge to read papers, all you can access is the abstract and you can pay $20 for a read of the data. Should all be free to make it easier to research things. I agree. One could almost get the impression that the researchers don't WANT people to view their actual data and look into the details of their methodology, eh? One could, if one weren't aware of the fact that one factor in a researcher's prestige is the number of times his or her papers get cited in other researchers' papers.
[FairfieldLife] Transitioning a Movement
Noticeably, there were some few younger people meditating doing the TM-siddhis in the Dome today as University students return to campus for the start of a new year. Summer break shows what normally is a noticeable old-age group meditating with not hardly young people or even older young people the age of our adult children in there. Is not a particularly crowded number o people in the Dome anyway. Was noteworthy to see these few young-bloods in the larger group in the Dome now. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. I doubt anybody thought you were alone in being concerned, Barry. It's a pretty well-known problem. What was so amusing about your post was that it came from a Web site with a serious financial interest in promoting distrust of the drug companies--and you never noticed that it had the same problem of bias it was inveighing against, only in reverse. The site is in the business of selling natural remedies and health guides. Or maybe you did notice, and that was why you didn't provide a link to the article. You most definitely mischaracterized the paragraph you snipped, too. If anybody missed it, here's my post quoting Barry's mischaracterization *and* the part he snipped. It's pretty revealing: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316810 It's no wonder you didn't want readers to look at the original article. The articles you cited in this post are likely to be more reliable--except the one from Mercola's site: Just How Scientific is Science-Based Medicine Really? Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-companies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx Mercola happens to be a borderline quack. One should have a salt shaker handy when reading anything on his site and do a lot of checking with more reliable sources. (He's an anti-vaxer, just for one appalling thing.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The argument against Vaj knowing Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey I just read this letter. This sounds pretty fair to me. My apologies to Robin and also to Judy for making some assumptions that have been cleared up by this post and letter. Sounds like you are being sincere in your desire to get to the bottom of it Robin. That would be cool to get some closure on the matter. Good for you, Steve. Thank you, apology accepted (by me; Robin will speak for himself).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Verification of the Claims made by Lord Knows
Just want to come back and clean this bit up from yesterday: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip God, you're dishonest. Nobody is asking or expecting to be granted omniscience. Common sense is all that's needed in this case. You obviously don't have it. I think this is the reason you are 10,000 and 0 in terms of winning arguments on the various forums in which you participate. Oh, tell me about all the various forums in which I participate. Tell me the name of just one besides FFL. Just one. Altmed or whatever it was. Excuse me for getting my tense wrong. Excuse me for saying forums you participate in rather than participated in. I think the rest of the world knew what I was talking about, but you will discount the statement because I got the tense wrong. Using the wrong tense made the statement false, Steve, that's why I discounted it. After all, how are folks supposed to have any idea of how many forums I participate in? For all they know, I could be on dozens. Your assertion made it sound as if you were in possession of the facts. FYI, I left alt.meditation.transcendental not long after I started participating on FFL six years ago; and even back then, alt.m.t was the only forum I'd been on for several years. I had a very brief stint on John Knapp's TM-Free blog when it first started a few years back, but that's it. The difference between *now* and *in the past* can be quite important, so it's a good idea to be aware of your verb tenses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
Oh no Judy, I really like Dr. Mercola. Why do you think it's bad to be against vaccines? From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: For those who got the gist of the post I made the other day about the POM Wonderful lawsuit and what it implied about the state of science (most drug studies being paid for by the people who will profit from positive results being reported by the researchers), here are a few links to show that I was far from alone in being concerned. I doubt anybody thought you were alone in being concerned, Barry. It's a pretty well-known problem. What was so amusing about your post was that it came from a Web site with a serious financial interest in promoting distrust of the drug companies--and you never noticed that it had the same problem of bias it was inveighing against, only in reverse. The site is in the business of selling natural remedies and health guides. Or maybe you did notice, and that was why you didn't provide a link to the article. You most definitely mischaracterized the paragraph you snipped, too. If anybody missed it, here's my post quoting Barry's mischaracterization *and* the part he snipped. It's pretty revealing: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316810 It's no wonder you didn't want readers to look at the original article. The articles you cited in this post are likely to be more reliable--except the one from Mercola's site: Just How Scientific is Science-Based Medicine Really? Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-companies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx Mercola happens to be a borderline quack. One should have a salt shaker handy when reading anything on his site and do a lot of checking with more reliable sources. (He's an anti-vaxer, just for one appalling thing.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Projects
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: Does anyone have any idea of how many projects the Movement and Maharishi solicited funds for which subsequently were never built or completed? Be honest and demand honesty. Candy Crowley, CNN Chief Political Correspondent gave some pretty good advice at the MUM 2012 commencement in Fairfield. http://blog.mum.edu/2012/05/graduation-2012/ 'Going forward', This whole 'TM projects' thread with its varying responses is quite germane to the present movement transition. Thanks for bringing it up. Going forward, Be honest and demand honesty. is certainly a way to proceed as a departure from a past. Do things differently and say that. The New TM.org . -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I remember when that theory was circulating, so to speak. Perhaps her views have changed, or perhaps not :) From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. Don't know what she's like now, but she sure was pretty, well, strange when she was on FFL for awhile about five years ago. Among other things, at the time she was a fan of arch- conspiracy theorist David Icke, of whom Wikipedia says: At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie. O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-K... On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see
[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh no Judy, I really like Dr. Mercola. Why do you think it's bad to be against vaccines? OMIGOD. Share, being against vaccines is one of the very most dangerous of the unfounded myths circulating among alternative-health folks. There are huge amounts of excellent material on the Web debunking opposition to vaccines. That isn't to say that there is no risk to vaccines, just that the risks of not using them are far greater. Do you know what herd immunity means? Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity This is a good place to start. You really need to inform yourself of all the pros and cons instead of just swallowing what Mercola has to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Assumption of the Virgin Mary August 15
Can't help but notice today is the last full day in Cancer. Cancer's ruler is Moon (Mother), the Queen. It would make sense this would be the day she ascends to heaven. Tomorrow the Father comes in, Leo's ruler the Sun, the King. Anyone for a game of Chess? Vatican because Vedic, can. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Celebrated every year on August 15, the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary commemorates the death of Mary and her bodily assumption into Heaven, before her body could begin to decay--a foretaste of our own bodily resurrection at the end of time. Because it signifies the Blessed Virgin's passing into eternal life, it is the most important of all Marian feasts and a Holy Day of Obligation. [famous paintings assumption of the virgin] Paintings of the Assumption are often among the more extravagant religious artworks, with hordes of angels trailing billowing draperies as they hoist Mary aloft, and crowds of onlookers below gaping rapturously at the sky or peering astonished into the empty tomb. I love this one by the French painter Nicolas Poussin. It's one of his earliest, around 1635, very different in style from his later more classical works. The scene is quite peaceful, as if the miraculous event had just taken place quietly one afternoon. No multitudes of excited witnesses, no heavenly host, only Mary and a little flock of attending cherubs. There's a wonderful sense of airiness surrounding her as she's lifted gently up through the clouds. Mary is lovely but not glamorous; there's even a suggestion of matronliness about her figure. Her expression is radiant but calm as she gazes expectantly toward heaven. And the cherubs look like real babies, innocent and playful and even a bit awkward as they cluster around her. Detail of Mary: http://www.restoredtraditions.com/images/products/detail/Poussin_detail_\ of_the_Assumption_of_the_Virgin.jpg http://www.restoredtraditions.com/images/products/detail/Poussin_detail\ _of_the_Assumption_of_the_Virgin.jpg http://tinyurl.com/9n5hjp7 http://tinyurl.com/9n5hjp7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slit (Horror film)
I noticed. lol. The girl acted pretty well. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/13/2012 06:21 PM, obbajeeba wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z4Ho6DOVYY The original is called (in the west) Carved and available on Netflix WI: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Carved_The_Slit_Mouthed_Woman/70073736 A tip when directing non-actors is to tell 'em you are going to do a run through and film it anyway. What they will do is not try to act. When you yell action then they try and are give a stiff performance. Clint Eastwood doesn't even like to say action because he feels even professionals stiffen up when he does that.
[FairfieldLife] 'Cosmic Photo of President Obama in Iowa'
View this image › A light shines behind President Barack Obama as he speaks during a campaign event at Bayliss Park, Monday, Aug. 13, 2012, in Council Bluffs, Iowa, during a three day campaign bus tour through Iowa. Image by Carolyn Kaster / AP
[FairfieldLife] Buddhisms come to Iowa
Fw: Buddha Relics in Des Moines this weekend Dear Friends, You won't want to miss the Maitreya Project Heart Shrine Relic Tour this weekend in Des Moines. An exhibition of sacred Relics of the Buddha and other Buddhist Masters Dates - Friday, Aug 17th from 6-8 pm - Opening Ceremony ( they are expecting 1200 people and the doors lock at 6:00, so give yourself lots of time to get there) Saturday, Aug. 18th from 10 am to 7 pm Sunday, Aug. 19th from 10 am to 5 pm The Des Moines Register has an article, called Buddhist Relics Stop in Des Moines this weekend Check it out, it talks about people having healing experiences just being in the room with the relics. Location: Hoyt Sherman Place, 1501 Woodland Ave., Des Moines, IA 50309 website: www.hoytsherman.org www.maitreyaproject.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip Another thing that annoys me as the amount journals charge to read papers, all you can access is the abstract and you can pay $20 for a read of the data. Should all be free to make it easier to research things. I agree. One could almost get the impression that the researchers don't WANT people to view their actual data and look into the details of their methodology, eh? One could, if one weren't aware of the fact that one factor in a researcher's prestige is the number of times his or her papers get cited in other researchers' papers. the NIH requires all papers that were published using NIH grants to be available for free online. The Brits are going one step further and requiring ALL research (I think) to be be available free online. If you are interested in a specific paper, it is usual cool to email the author(s) and ask for a copy. They usually have a scanned copy sitting on their desktop computer. Some people have entire semi-private websites that are nothing but scanned papers and books -their own, and/or their friends', and will give you the URL to a specific paper so you can read it online/download it. Many of them aren't really good at more subtle internet trivia and leave their webpages open to google searches and if you know what you are doing, you can find some really neat stuff (e.g. I just found a site with about 500 high-level math books that can be downloaded -guess what I did today...) L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
Thanks, Judy, yes this is why I asked. I wanted your input on the topic in addition to what I knew from Mercola. I didn't know about herd immunity. Good to know. I guess I swallowed what Mercola said because no one else was talking. What about vaccines and autism? From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh no Judy, I really like Dr. Mercola. Why do you think it's bad to be against vaccines? OMIGOD. Share, being against vaccines is one of the very most dangerous of the unfounded myths circulating among alternative-health folks. There are huge amounts of excellent material on the Web debunking opposition to vaccines. That isn't to say that there is no risk to vaccines, just that the risks of not using them are far greater. Do you know what herd immunity means? Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity This is a good place to start. You really need to inform yourself of all the pros and cons instead of just swallowing what Mercola has to say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science
Hi Share: Here is a link to a discussion on Mercola's claims re: vaccinations. Number 6 provides this author's opinion on the link between autism and vaccines. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/9-reasons-to-completely-ignore-joseph-mercola-and-natural-news/ From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science Thanks, Judy, yes this is why I asked. I wanted your input on the topic in addition to what I knew from Mercola. I didn't know about herd immunity. Good to know. I guess I swallowed what Mercola said because no one else was talking. What about vaccines and autism? From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Followup articles on the sorry state of science --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh no Judy, I really like Dr. Mercola. Why do you think it's bad to be against vaccines? OMIGOD. Share, being against vaccines is one of the very most dangerous of the unfounded myths circulating among alternative-health folks. There are huge amounts of excellent material on the Web debunking opposition to vaccines. That isn't to say that there is no risk to vaccines, just that the risks of not using them are far greater. Do you know what herd immunity means? Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity This is a good place to start. You really need to inform yourself of all the pros and cons instead of just swallowing what Mercola has to say.
[FairfieldLife] Dogs in Art
A Creative Video That Morphs Through 5,000 Years of Dogs in Art https://laughingsquid.com/a-creative-video-morphing-through-5000-years-of-dogs-in-art/
[FairfieldLife] Women in Art
500 Years of Female Portraits in Western Art http://youtu.be/nUDIoN-_Hxs
[FairfieldLife] Livestream Julian Assange
The Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is being given asylum in London's Ecuadorean embassy. There are four police vans surrounding the embassy, each carrying twelve officers. At this moment, the Brits have threatened to storm the embassy. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupynewsnetwork
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's patented Insanity Compactor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Trying to make sense of the meltdown yesterday, in which doubling down on insanity seemed to be the operating principle du jour, I shall try to compact the blessedly short impressions of it all that I got from watching it unfold in Message View, to make them even shorter: Voice 1: It now appears that Vaj was telling the truth about having known me and attending my seminars in the past, but on another level he still has to be lying because he remembers me as a deranged psychopathic charlatan, not the totally awesome person *I* remember me as. Voice 2: Hi, I'm back, and still as needy and as starved for attention as before. Feed me. Multiple Voices: Nothing has changed what we know and believe. We are still attached to the same crazy people we were before, and will defend them no matter how crazy they get. And we still hate the same people we hated before, and will continue to scream at them every chance we get, because that makes *us* look more sane, doncha know. The only thing we're upset about is that the people we hate won't respond to us and let us scream at them even more. Bastids. Church, yo! Testify. The usual suspects were seriously flipping-out even *before* LK came in and blew the doors off the asylum with stories about Bull Goose Loony being a violent jew hating anti-semite who pushed people to suicide without a second thought. Didn't livery girl tell us over and over that we just didn't understand him? That he was a loving person who never engaged in more that a love tap and that was only on one occasion? Go figure. Rick then displays his outstanding sense of humor by pardoning the serial over-poster and readmitting another whack-job who seemingly promised self- castration. I *love* this place.
