The difference between anesthesia and pure consciousness is that the brain is
still showing many of the accepted physiological correlates of being alert.
One thing I picked up from chatting with Fred and Alaric and reading their
research on PC and CC is that there are anecdotal reports of
The current physiological model used to explain PC explains why it is
impossible to have sensory perception OR mental perception during the pure
state of PC.
It is possible that the model is wrong. It is also possible taht you are an
exception to the rule.
It is also possible that what
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shushrut_statue.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shushrut_statue.jpg
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
The current physiological model used to explain PC explains why it is
impossible to have sensory perception OR mental perception during the pure
state of PC.
It is possible that the model is wrong. It is also possible taht you
Richard, I thought maybe you were at one of those science museums for kids.
There's a great one in Madison, WI. Or at least used to be...
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:32 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
We went to the Apple Store at Mall of the Americas to get the battery
And you thought this because of all the kids you saw in the picture, hanging
out in the science museum? Righteeooo, Share. Way to cover
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I thought maybe you were at one of those science museums for kids.
There's a
Actually, Richard, it was Ann Arbor. I don't remember if there was one in
Madison. Emily, you're up early...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:28 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
And you thought this because of all the kids you saw in the picture, hanging
out in the
Share, what does the location of a science museum in Ann Arbor have to do with
the picture Richard posted? Here, I will redirect you to this and ask for your
prayers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oso-washington-mudslide-another-body-spotted-in-debris/
Perhaps you ahead of the rest of us, or perhaps the model is too limited.
MUM has an advantage over anywhere else i the world when it comes to studying
advanced meditators since as much as 20% of the population does TM, but they
don't have any high-end equipment, so the measurements they
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
Lawson, I think it's less confusing if you talk about
pure-consciousness-by-itself rather than the 'pure' state of PC.
It looks to me as though Salyavin is describing first PC-by-itself, and then
witnessing during meditation, in which PC coexists with sensory and/or mental
perception (as it
Are the farmers re-reimbursed for the loss of crop from all those circles.
That would really piss me off if those showed up in my fields one morning.
-Buck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
On 3/27/2014 11:20 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
More like a genius in training. Looks like she's sitting on medicine
ball. I think young geniuses like those.
She probably brought her mom and dad to the Apple Store so they could
learn how to download a flat file. Something your
On 3/28/2014 8:41 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*Where did you take this essay from, Michael?*
From Honest John?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I thought maybe you were at one of those science museums for kids.
There's a great one in Madison, WI. Or at least used to be...
Share, you need to get out more. If you've never been to an Apple Store you've
been in
On 3/27/2014 10:57 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
See that little kid at the end of the table? She's a genius.
Compared to most Windows PC or Android users. LoL!
Share, this is where geniuses hang out; it is a genius bar.
LOL, that's all I have to say.
What kind of place is it,
Ever seen Lenz on videotape? There are some very interesting clips of his
interview with John Hockenberry for Dateline NBC. Here's a post with a bunch of
URLs to those clips (some are just of Hockenberry talking to Lenz's former
followers):
Ann: right, right, right, right, right, wrong, wrong, don't know...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:22 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
That was pretty funny Ann, particularly since I had just
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I
think it would take a bit of effort not to go back to the mantra.)
For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its
adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when you
Yep, for me it's like the realization is the kite and the tail of the kite is
the mantra...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:18 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
I should add that for me, realizing I'm not thinking the mantra and going back
to it are virtually
On 03/27/2014 02:58 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
On 3/27/2014 1:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
...with no family hanging off me
It sounds good on paper, but sometimes it's better to have force in
numbers - a family support system.
and can explore different avenues of revenue generation.
If you
For people attending Rama’s talks, witnessing levitation, disappearance,
beautiful colors and waves of golden light all around Rama and spreading
through the hall or room – were commonplace.
http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz
The TMO doesn't have a shoot the messenger philosophy.
That's really how the TMO shoot the messenger philosophy is taught: That's
just how things are done around here.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:47 PM
Sad story, probably what'll happen to us, old and alone in our tiny flats with
just the flickering light of the FFL message screen to give an indication of
what happened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Sounds like a variant of Schoedinger's Cat. Was the
On 3/27/2014 10:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Share, this is where geniuses hang out; it is a genius bar.
LOL, that's all I have to say.
It all depends on whether or not you're smarter than the average fifth
grader. LoL!
The Apple stores sell Macintosh personal computers, software,
I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a
theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment -
having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are
born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so
I should add that for me, realizing I'm not thinking the mantra and going back
to it are virtually simultaneous. The realization instantly evokes the
mantra--as if, in some sense, the realization were the mantra.
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
That was pretty funny Ann, particularly since I had just mentioned Madison,
WI. Go figure! I do go to Annapolis area twice a year to visit family. But
admit that Apple store is not high on our list of things to do. Go figure
Sounds like a variant of Schoedinger's Cat. Was the spirit of the original cat
still there in any of its descendents? :-)
Speaking of Schroedinger's Cat, I saw a news story today that reminded me that
to some extent people in modern society are a lot like that cat in the mystery
box -- are
But Share, from literary and cinema studies you learned that an
interpretation is neither right nor wrong. Perhaps you should stick with the
don't know. :)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann: right, right, right, right, right, wrong, wrong, don't know...
Ah, but Emily, Ann was not interpreting. She was figuring. Go figure!
On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:27 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
But Share, from literary and cinema studies you learned that an
interpretation is neither right nor wrong. Perhaps you should
From raght here
http://transcendental-meditation-honestly.blogspot.com/2009/09/lies-of-tm-1-effortless-lie.html
On Fri, 3/28/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: IS TM and Effortless Practice?
To:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I don't have the time or inclincation to read through all of this, Michael. I
skimmed it enough to know that I agree with some of it and disagree with some
of it, especially the link between laxity and breath cessations at the
But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are
slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody
else ever mentions. Not true Richardno need to keep falsifying this point.
http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf
http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf
---In
From: emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a
theory and come from
On 3/28/2014 7:28 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Share, what does the location of a science museum in Ann Arbor have to
do with the picture Richard posted? Here, I will redirect you to this
and ask for your prayers.
Maybe Share was referring to the fact that the science museum in Ann
But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are
slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand
I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her
figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance
right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
But Emily
On 3/28/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
The first of these lies or deceptions about Transcendental
Meditation (TM) that I'd like to talk about is the idea of
effortlessness. It is often claimed that TM is effortless and that
this somehow makes it superior to other forms of meditation
That was pretty funny Ann, particularly since I had just mentioned Madison, WI.
Go figure! I do go to Annapolis area twice a year to visit family. But admit
that Apple store is not high on our list of things to do. Go figure again!
On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:37 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
All very interesting and needs much thought and further reading. I do agree
with you about the process of science though, having an idea and then checking
it out is all perfectly reasonable. And the more ideas that are being tested
the sooner any subject gets understood. As long as everyone is
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of
this treatise on TM and its effortlessness:
The first of these lies or deceptions about Transcendental Meditation (TM)
that I'd like to talk about is the idea of effortlessness. It is often claimed
that TM is
at first they were not - but then the artists made a lot of them realize they
could cleanup by charging admission/viewing fees to the gawking gullible public
so they get advance permission from the farmers who make sometimes more on the
gawkers than they would from selling the crops - the money
This reminds me of the following story:
When the spiritual teacher and his disciples began their evening meditation,
the cat who lived in the monastery made such noise that it distracted them. So
the teacher ordered that the cat be tied up during the evening practice. Years
later, when the
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On 3/28/2014 8:21 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Ever seen Lenz on videotape?
Yes, but I have never seen a videotape of Lenz levitating.
Apparently this is because there is a certain Woo Woo that can be
employed making the images disappear off the tape. Several of the Lenz
talks about
On 3/28/2014 8:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
a couple guys with garden rakes did it
You got to work really early this morning!
That was my question, BTW, and I supplied the same URL. It's always good to
credit your sources.
From raght here
http://transcendental-meditation-honestly.blogspot.com/2009/09/lies-of-tm-1-effortless-lie.html
On 3/28/2014 9:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how
its adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when
you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about --
to decide to think about something else and
Beautiful, Nablusoss, I love this one, have seen it before...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 7:52 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
That's really how the TMO shoot the messenger philosophy is taught: That's
just how things are done around here.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The
On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In
fact, I think it would take a bit of effort /not/ to go back to the
mantra.)
Barry's analysis also assumes that at some point in your meditation
you've stopped thinking
Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback
about her assumptions about me...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her
figuring as
Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on.
Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14
On 3/28/2014 10:22 AM, Share Long wrote:
Yep, for me it's like the realization is the kite and the tail of the
kite is the mantra...
It's like a the vibrationsystem in Kashmir which is described as the
vibration/movement of consciousness, a kind of throb, which is the
essence of some sort
But, but, but Xeno says that having an idea and checking it out is not how to
do science. In fact, he compares it to what fundamentalist Christians do. Are
you saying he's (gasp) wrong?
BTW, this whole exchange, and most of Lawson's recent posts, all very much
demonstrate the wish to find
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 3/28/2014 6:28 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
And you thought this because of all the kids you saw in the picture, hanging
out in the science museum? Righteeooo, Share. Way to cover
The last time I
This is a lot of assumption. This guy is working really hard to make [assert] a
point. TM as it is instructed is a pretty effortless mental practice
comparatively. But the guy makes some good points about spiritual laxity.
-Buck in the Dome
mjackson74 writes:
Would like to know that all
Where did you take this essay from, Michael?
Wouldn't be from here, would it?
http://transcendental-meditation-honestly.blogspot.com/2009/09/lies-of-tm-1-effortless-lie.html
http://transcendental-meditation-honestly.blogspot.com/2009/09/lies-of-tm-1-effortless-lie.html
Would
Or you could be witnessing thoughts the whole time...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:02 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I
think it would take a
Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT)
and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple
Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic
design, glass and that they call their computer experts
On 3/28/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former
think of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness:
Let's see, how many times have we discussed this topic? If you count the
discussions on Google Groups, it would probably be
What's really funny about this thread, Richard is that first I googled Genius
San Antonio because I forgot that you Rita are vacationing. I think there's a
bar named Genius in San Antonio! And then someone on FFL made a joke about
that. But it's really a store! It's all one big, fat spider
a couple guys with garden rakes did it
On Fri, 3/28/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Have A Nice Day :-)
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 12:52 PM
Note that the subject of this thread 'IS TM and Effortless Practice' is
nonsensical because of a couple of typos.
The first part 'IS TM' would seem to be asking if there is such as thing as
TM, unless this means there is something called 'IS TM' whose existence is
being questioned.
Maybe
On 3/28/2014 6:18 AM, Share Long wrote:
I thought maybe you were at one of those science museums for kids.
More than a museum - an Apple Store is a workshop for hands-on training.
As of February 2014, Apple has 423 retail stores in 15 countries with
global sales of US$16 billion in
http://lekki.fr/ http://lekki.fr/
I don't have the time or inclincation to read through all of this, Michael. I
skimmed it enough to know that I agree with some of it and disagree with some
of it, especially the link between laxity and breath cessations at the end.
I'm going to try to avoid any lengthy discussions on this
So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you
think would have been an appropriate answer?!
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically
They are reimbursed, but the check is drawn on the First National Bank of the
Pleiades, so good luck cashing it. :-)
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:27 PM
Subject:
Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it
may be that with advanced TM'ers, you being one, this can happen also. Is this
what you meant? Do you think witnessing thoughts is effortless?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Or you
Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the same time that thinking is
happening and yes, it is effortless.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:39 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it
may be
Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not,
because I certainly notice the fact that I am witnessing my thoughts, which I
consider an effort.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the
That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple
computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use
maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products
that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not
From Clyde Cleveland:
Dear Friends:
I will be giving another public
presentation similar to the January presentations with Foster Gamble and Bob
Podolsky. It will be at 1:15 P.M this Saturday afternoon (March 29th) at the
Overland Sheepskin company on the third floor. I hope you can come
There are wireless enabled bracelets that could alert people if the
pulse stopped being registered (they're also waterproof so can be worn
in showers). A friend (who isn't an oldster) has one to track
activities to aid his dieting. They will probably be the wave of the
future unless they
Emily, that's a very interesting perspective.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple
computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use
maybe?
Emily, which is effort, the noticing or the witnessing? BTW, I'm not a TM
teacher so not really trained in all this.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:54 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not,
I always wanted a heart monitor watch so I could monitor my meditating. You
can get them that download your program (or daily run) to a computer so you can
keep track of progress. I could have sold the results to Lawson...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
There are
It was supposed to read Is TM an Effortless Practice?
On Fri, 3/28/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 6:32
typos are there because I was typing fast - very little time for FFL right now
as my mother and her husband are visiting - he is in the advanced stages of
Alzheimers and when they are here, everything revolves around his needs - thus
no time for proofing before hitting send
He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not a
couple as he says.
It was supposed to read Is TM an Effortless Practice?
Note that
the subject of this thread 'IS TM and
Effortless Practice' is nonsensical because of a couple
of typos.
The first
part
On 3/28/2014 6:28 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
And you thought this because of all the kids you saw in the picture,
hanging out in the science museum? Righteeooo, Share. Way to cover
The last time I was at the local science museum I saw hundreds of kids
hanging out on a school
On 3/28/2014 12:41 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*That was my question, BTW, and I supplied the same URL. It's always
good to credit your sources.*
*
*It sort of looks like the work of Honest John Knapp.**Go figure.*
*
From raght here
No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The
first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of
'an'.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not
On 3/28/2014 10:11 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Is that enough figuring for one day do you think?
Anyway, I figure I'll just go to the online Apple Store from now on -
I'm not that big on malls.
http://store.apple.com/us
As Xeno knows, all-caps are often used for emphasis in Web comments.
No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The
first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of
'an'.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
He
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded as 'effortless'?
The definition of effortless is 'requiring no physical or mental exertion'. The
word has synonyms easy
offhand
painless
uncomplicated
child's play
cursive
duck soup
facile
flowing
fluent
light
no problem
Xeno, for me the best descriptors would be the words flowing and simple. But I
bet others would choose different words as the best descriptors.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:48 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded
Depending on the context, capitalisation certainly can be used for emphasis,
but in this case it looks like a mistake because the word 'is' is so short. On
a forum that allows some typeface adjustment I would have used 'Is TM an
effortless practice?' In HTML there are elements (tags) em and
Translation: If you think I'm going to acknowledge being inconsistent right
here in front of God and everybody, you've got another think coming. What a
nerve!
Emily, that's a very interesting perspective.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote:
Like Jack Daniel's burning holes through your karma. Smooth. (Although on the
web some say Jack Daniels is for pussies:
It isn't so much that Jack is bad, (but it ain't great) it is that outside of
being drank neat, it isn't detectable as whiskey, it’s more of a light sweet
water. Jack
I was going to do that too. Online those sensors they put on your finger
cost less than $2. You could probably set up a simple software program
or even VideoLan to record the pulses. Problem with sensors were they
were only sold in lots and I didn't need lots. BTW, I told my tantra
guru I
But if you think about it, waiting for the check to transfer would probably be
better than waiting for an electronic bank transfer. because at the speed of
light/electricity, it would take 440 years to complete. At least with the check
you've got something to hold onto while waiting. :-)
I researched the sports watches and there are only a few that are capable of
measuring all the way down to zero. For some reason the manufacturers didn't
think people going jogging would need that facility! The one I was going to buy
cost about $300 but was really cool and had loads of handy
The latest interview was Menos Kafatos, and the one before that was Jack
Petranker. Was it one of those, because I read the write ups, and nothing
jumped out at me.
Let me also say, that I haven't really read any books on spiritual
personalities in about 20 years. The Lenz interviews I
Old Grand-Dad was a distiller named Basil Hayden who made his name by
distilling a bourbon whiskey made with a higher percentage of rye giving it a
more robust and spicy flavor. The distillery he started (along with his recipe)
was handed down from generation to generation and it was his
I read this article a couple weeks ago, and found it kind of interesting.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303287804579443160558822086
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303287804579443160558822086
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