[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> > (Caveat: I'm not arguing that Hagelin's ideas 
> > connecting theoretical physics with TM are correct,
> > only that Barry's ideas about Hagelin are
> > INcorrect, especially his puerile analogy with Dan
> > Brown.)
> 
> All physicists would agree with Barry on that point.

I'm pretty sure they would, at least working
physicists. The only ones who have any respect
for Hagelin probably appeared with him on the
"What the bleep..." film. :-)

There is something that happens to supposed
scientists when they catch the "New Age disease"
or the "religion disease" or the "bhakti disease,"
whatever you choose to call it. They become 
believers in whatever their spiritual or occult
trip is, and science goes right out the window
EXCEPT as a mechanism for them to "get strokes"
from the religion or teacher they've become
enamored with. 

Judy wouldn't know about this. She never got any
closer to the TM movement than to dip a toe in
so she could say, "I've been there." But she never
*has* "been there." She never had what it took to
become a TM teacher, or to commit to trying to
spread TM. Above all, she doesn't understand the
fanatical desire to "please the teacher" that 
people who *do* commit to such spiritual groups
feel. They will do the stupidest things on earth,
just to be "patted on the head" by the teacher.

Hagelin is NOT a scientist. He stopped being one
many, many years ago. What he is is a religious
fanatic. And pretty much anyone who still *is*
a scientist can see what Hagelin has become.

Like jr_esq, science and the "desire to find out"
no longer drive Hagelin. He is driven by the desire
to "prove" that the "vedic ideas" Maharishi gave to
him are "correct" or "true." So he attempts to "bend"
science to "fit" these ideas. 

It's a shitty fit. But he gets away with it because
the people in the audiences he speaks to are trying
just as hard as he is to do the same thing. Like jr,
they BELIEVE completely that the vedic seers "knew
it all," and that modern thinkers and modern science
are merely trying to "catch up." 

That's ridiculous, of course, but so are they. 
Religious fanatics always are, whether it's 
Christian fundamentalism or Hindu fundamentalism.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>

> Stehphen Hawking is taking another approach to this inquiry.  He favors a 
> model of the universe that follows all the laws of physics.  But like a novel 
> that begs for more questions, he concludes that one cannot ask what happened 
> before the Big Bang because nothing existed before then in scientific terms.

Vielleicht kann er nix Heisenbergische Unsicherheit ertragen? LOL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[guyfawkes91]

> > A bit like Satyendra Nath Bose was "ripped into pieces"?  :D
> >
> 
> Oddly enough, the major purpose of the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland 
> is to find the Higgs boson, a particle named for SN Bose who theoretically 
> proposed it.
>
Clarification:- "Bosons" are named after Bose. The hypothetical Higgs Boson is 
named after Peter Higgs who proposed it. Bosons are well known, the Higgs Boson 
has not yet been discovered.

The idea that the LHC was built to find the Higgs may be the way the thing is 
presented to the public, but it's not the way it's seen amongst scientists. If 
the LHC doesn't find the Higgs then that would be bigger discovery than finding 
it because that would falsify a larger number of theories than finding it and 
therefore provide more information.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
> >
>   Mr. L Iacocca called him an illegal alien -- what if he is right?
>
Then we are the United Corporations of America...
Racist, brainwashed and beyond hope.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten beautiful roads in India

[bob_brigante]

> Sorry the photos didn't post. You can find them at the link:
>

**

As recently posted here, if you want to make sure photos post:

1. Click on Rich-Text Editor (Beta)
2. Insert photo(s)
3. Check the "View HTML Source" box

4. If the html code does not list "width" and "height" in the IMG SRC,
specify those parameters which you can get by rightclicking the photo
and selecting properties

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
>   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
>
  Mr. L Iacocca called him an illegal alien -- what if he is right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Patriotic Teabagger Americans and their 2nd Amendment rights

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Patriotic teabagger-Americans Exercising their Second Amendment Rights
>  ml> There's a new site  
> on the internets tubes that tracks the arrests of our greatest
> Teabagger-Americans, the fine patriots who possess concealed carry
> weapons (CCW) permits. It's a shame that such true Americans are
> harassed for simply exercising their Second Amendment rights. You'd
> think the police would have much better things to do, like tazing the
> disrespectful or arresting brown people for losing their keys.
> 
> I've gone through the list and randomly picked a few cases to look at a
> little more closely. In each case, I found that the patriotic CCW holder
> was simply acting in the manner God and the NRA intended.
> 
> I've organized them into specific categories of lawful use below.
> 
> Auto Insurance Negotiation
> There's noting that settles an auto insurance related negotiation faster
> than a 9mm.
> 
> July 2009
>   [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5361912293551635058] 
>  AE/s1600-h/jesusgun_bottle.png> Edmond, Oklahoma – An angry driver
> pulls a gun on an Oklahoma couple during a road rage incident. Concealed
> weapons permit holder, 43-year-old Darryl Inman, charged with felony.
> Inman is currently a pilot for JetBlue.
> snip
  Quoting half of the statistics is like government spin- useless
  A lot of lives have been saved by legal CCP holders too.
   

[FairfieldLife] Quantum Mechanics Course On Line

[John]

To All:

For the hardy souls who are curious about what the subject of quantum mechanics 
is about, here is the link to a continuing education course from Stanford 
University,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1E3YJMKfA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ananda Mayi Ma

[Bhairitu]

nablusoss1008 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> nablusoss1008 wrote:
>> 
>>> Sri Ananda Mayi Ma
>>>
>>> In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large 
>>> group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the 
>>> great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on 
>>> the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the 
>>> group should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets 
>>> — masses of them — as our gift.
>>>
>>> The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house 
>>> while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she 
>>> gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low 
>>> over her house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp.
>>>
>>> Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that 
>>> we were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as 
>>> the space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that 
>>> Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to 
>>> the people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. 
>>> that had been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, 
>>> and near the end of her Earth days.
>>>
>>> It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that 
>>> this was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell 
>>> Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. 
>>> The administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where 
>>> he said "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi" Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt 
>>> upright and folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and 
>>> flowers and wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver 
>>> to Maharishi.
>>>
>>> Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to 
>>> Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to 
>>> Maharishi's great joy.
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at 
>>> her place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda 
>>> Mayee Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree 
>>> and let him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out 
>>> to the car, walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small 
>>> child. There was a mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to 
>>> the brim with marigold garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee 
>>> Ma pointed to him so that her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then 
>>> Sri Ananda Mayee Ma took the whole basket to where Maharishi was now 
>>> sitting in the car, and she tipped the whole basket of garlands through the 
>>> window into his lap.
>>>
>>> Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India, 
>>> enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the 
>>> world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to 
>>> Maharishi to learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, 
>>> the brother of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have 
>>> grasped very little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, 
>>> and his role in the universe.
>>>
>>> http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/stories.html
>>>   
>
>   
>> Did anyone ever figure out if that was her that came around with 
>> Maharishi to the courses in 1976? There was a woman with Maharishi at my 
>> TTC in Biarritz in spring '76. Many said it was her. Others claim she 
>> never left India. Maybe MMY took out of Indian illegally. Anyway as I 
>> walked by her after being made a teacher she was in samadhi and glowed 
>> like a lightbulb. I'll never forget that image.
>> 
>
> Ananda Mayi Ma wanted to go to Switzerland with Maharishi. His logistic 
> problem was She was always surrounded with minimum 80 Disciples who went 
> werever She went. What to do with all these people ? He told Her to stay put 
> in India with Her Disciples (Her people as He said). 
> Did She quietly slip away to Biarritz for a short while ? Perhaps, but I 
> don't think so. There would have excisted photographs of this rare Avatar 
> blessing the french soil.
>
> When She dropped the body in 1982 Maharishi is quoted as saying; "Now I am 
> really alone."
>
> Jai Ma !
It sure looked like her.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sen. Voinovich (R-OH) : Southern Republicans are sinking GOP

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2009, at 2:23 PM, do.rflex wrote:
> 
> > Republicans have become more rural and less educated
> 
> Going, going...
> 
> Sal
>


Sure looks that way:

With an increasingly fringe GOP, the more moderates who leave the GOP, the more 
conservative and extreme the GOP becomes, and the more the party will pick 
people like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee in their primaries - people who can't 
win a general election. 

http://www.americablog.com/2009/07/cnn-palin-is-another-huckabee-party.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten beautiful roads in India

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:27 PM, do.rflex wrote:
> 
> 
> > Sorry the photos didn't post. You can find them at the link:
> 
> They came across fine in email.
> 
> Sal
>


Glad to hear it, Sal. I just use the FFL website.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ten beautiful roads in India

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:27 PM, do.rflex wrote:



Sorry the photos didn't post. You can find them at the link:


They came across fine in email.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sen. Voinovich (R-OH) : Southern Republicans are sinking GOP

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jul 30, 2009, at 2:23 PM, do.rflex wrote:


Republicans have become more rural and less educated


Going, going...

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:

[snip]


> 
> "It may take a little self-discipline."  MMY   

Imagine that, MMY recommending discipline..it may also take A LOT of 
self discipline especially if you have problems, and who doesn't have those.
> 
> On no, don't use your God given dynamic free will, problems will resolve 
> themselves, it may take a million years but hey, what's the rush?
> 
> Proverb:  "If you're waiting for TM alone to solve your problems, you will be 
> waiting a long time!"  BillyG.
> 
> TM as taught and not conjoined to Religion or ethical and moral development 
> (like Patanjali's first two limbs)  is like a boat without a rudder, you're 
> going nowhere, fast!
> 
> MMY says Practice (TM) and Religion must go together;
> 
>  "The rituals of the various religions represent the body, and the practice 
> of directly experiencing Being represents the Spirit. Both are necessary and 
> should go hand in hand. One will not survive without the other."  MMY SOBAL 
> page256
> 
> So what are you waiting for..go solve your problems, nature ain't gonna 
> do it for you! if God was going to do it, why would he need YOU??  Grace AND 
> effort are required!!
> 
>  **BillyG dispelling yet another TM myth!!!**
>



FWIW, I fully agree with Billy on this. I happened to run across the following 
today from Wikipedia on 'Higher Consciousness.' 

The last sentence pretty much summarizes what Billy is saying:


= = Higher consciousness, also called super consciousness (Yoga), objective 
consciousness (Gurdjieff), Buddhic consciousness (Theosophy), cosmic 
consciousness, God-consciousness (Sufism and Hinduism) and Christ consciousness 
(New Thought), are expressions used in various spiritual traditions to denote 
the consciousness of a human being who has reached a higher level of 
evolutionary development and who has come to know Reality as it is.

Evolution in this sense is not that which occurs by natural selection over 
generations of human reproduction but evolution brought about by the 
application of spiritual knowledge to the conduct of human life.

Through the application of such knowledge (traditionally the preserve of the 
world's great religions) to practical self-management, the awakening and 
development of faculties dormant in the ordinary human being is achieved.

These faculties are aroused by and developed in conjunction with certain 
dispositions of character such as patience, kindness, truthfulness, humility 
and forgiveness towards one's fellow man – qualities without which, according 
to moral/ethical stipulations of the various traditions, higher consciousness 
is not possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_consciousness#The_spiritual_path 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten beautiful roads in India

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Ten beautiful roads in India
> 
> 10 most beautiful Indian roads
> (Yes Indian)
> 
> Ahtong , Sikkim
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT8.jpg]
> 
> 
> Corbert Park Pathway
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT7.jpg]
> 
> 
> Numaligarh , Assam
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT6.jpg]
> 
> 
> Dalhousie
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT3.jpg]
> 
> 
> Nainital, Uttaranchal
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT00010.jpg]
> 
> 
> Almora, Uttaranchal
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT2.jpg]
> 
> 
> Ooty
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT9.jpg]
> 
> 
> Patratu valley, Jharkhand
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT1.jpg]
> 
> 
> Gulmarg
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT5.jpg]
> 
> 
> Manali Pass
>   [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT4.jpg] 
> [nightmare_harry583 is offline]
> http://geniusharish.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/08/30/Ten-beautiful-roads\
> -in.html
>


Sorry the photos didn't post. You can find them at the link:

http://geniusharish.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/08/30/Ten-beautiful-roads-in.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> Happiness
> 
> Enjoy your life and be happy.
> 
> Being happy is of the utmost importance. Success in anything is through 
> happiness. Under all circumstances be happy, even if you have to force it a 
> bit to change some long standing habits. Just think of any negativity that 
> comes at you as a raindrop falling into the ocean of your bliss. You may not 
> always have an ocean of bliss, but think that way anyway and it will help it 
> come.
> 
> Doubting is not blissful and does not create happiness. Be happy, healthy and 
> let all that love flow through your heart. We have an infinite number of 
> reasons to be happy and a serious responsibility not to be serious.
> 
> Always think of good qualities. Life is so precious. Every minute contributes 
> to future progress. Where is the time to think of bad things? There is not 
> enough time to think of all the good that exists on earth and in heaven."
> 
> Keep Your Desire Turning Back
> 
> Keep your desire turning back within and be patient. Allow the fulfillment to 
> come to you. Resist the temptation to chase your dreams into the world. 
> Pursue them in your heart until they disappear into the Self and leave them 
> there. It may take a little self-discipline. Be simple, be kind, stay rested.
> 
> Attend to your own inner health and happiness. Happiness radiates like a 
> fragrance from a flower and draws all good things towards you. Allow your 
> love to nourish yourself as well as others.
> 
> Do not strain after your needs of life. It is sufficient to be quietly alert 
> and aware of them. In this way, life proceeds more naturally, effortlessly.
> 
> Life is here to enjoy.
> 
> 
> http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/discourses.html

"It may take a little self-discipline."  MMY   Imagine that, MMY recommending 
discipline..it may also take A LOT of self discipline especially if you 
have problems, and who doesn't have those.

On no, don't use your God given dynamic free will, problems will resolve 
themselves, it may take a million years but hey, what's the rush?

Proverb:  "If you're waiting for TM alone to solve your problems, you will be 
waiting a long time!"  BillyG.

TM as taught and not conjoined to Religion or ethical and moral development 
(like Patanjali's first two limbs)  is like a boat without a rudder, you're 
going nowhere, fast!

MMY says Practice (TM) and Religion must go together;

 "The rituals of the various religions represent the body, and the practice of 
directly experiencing Being represents the Spirit. Both are necessary and 
should go hand in hand. One will not survive without the other."  MMY SOBAL 
page256

So what are you waiting for..go solve your problems, nature ain't gonna do 
it for you! if God was going to do it, why would he need YOU??  Grace AND 
effort are required!!

 **BillyG dispelling yet another TM myth!!!**

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > To All:
> > > 
> > > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It appears that he 
> > > got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> > >
> > John's problem is that he never strays outside his comfort zone. He only 
> > ever gives talks to non-physicists who don't know anything much about the 
> > subject matter. If he had the courage to make some presentations at physics 
> > conferences (if they'd accept his abstracts), then they'd rip him to pieces 
> > and he'd have to start >thinking deeply about how to defend his ideas.
> 
> A bit like Satyendra Nath Bose was "ripped into pieces"?  :D
>

Oddly enough, the major purpose of the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland is 
to find the Higgs boson, a particle named for SN Bose who theoretically 
proposed it.

[FairfieldLife] Ten beautiful roads in India

[do.rflex]

Ten beautiful roads in India

10 most beautiful Indian roads
(Yes Indian)

Ahtong , Sikkim
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT8.jpg]


Corbert Park Pathway
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT7.jpg]


Numaligarh , Assam
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT6.jpg]


Dalhousie
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT3.jpg]


Nainital, Uttaranchal
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT00010.jpg]


Almora, Uttaranchal
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT2.jpg]


Ooty
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT9.jpg]


Patratu valley, Jharkhand
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT1.jpg]


Gulmarg
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT5.jpg]


Manali Pass
  [http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z220/nightmare583/ATT4.jpg] 
[nightmare_harry583 is offline]
http://geniusharish.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/08/30/Ten-beautiful-roads\
-in.html

[FairfieldLife] Taner Edis on Victor Stenger and the ME

[yifuxero]

from back cover of "Quantum Gods, Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic 
Consciousness" by physicist Victor Stenger (just receivedI don't have time 
now to copy/summarize the 3 pages re: ME and Hagelin except to say that Stenger 
takes a critical but unbiased (for the most part)) and scientifically objective 
stance regarding the many "What-The-Bleep" types of claims...and Hagelin fits 
into that category.
 In partial defense of MMY and Hagelin, Stenger (and also Harris, Dawkins, and 
Shermer), have not had direct experience with TM so their "scientific 
objectivity" falls a bit short of experimentation.
Did they skip "lab" in high school chemistry?

At any rate, an excerpt from the back cover:

Taner Edis, physics, Truman State University:
"Physics has developed a reputation of providing support for all sorts of 
supernatural beliefs, from old-fashioned religions to New Age ideas.  Quantum 
physics, especially, seems to mean "magic" for too many people...Be grateful 
for the work of Victor Stenger, who is one of the best for diligently 
separating real physics from popular misconceptins...Everyone interested in 
depbtes over physics and the supernatural should read this book".

Geoff Gilpin, author of the Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey through the 
Movement that Transformed American Spirituality" says:

"Stenger confronts mainstream theologians and New Age gurus -- anyone who tries 
to link physics to mysticism. He takes their theories seriously enough to 
examine them in detail and finds that, so far, none of them live up to teh 
standards of scientific truth".

...then Stenger has about 3 pages of criticism re: MMY's ME and Hagelin, which 
I will summarize later.

[FairfieldLife] Patriotic Teabagger Americans and their 2nd Amendment rights

[do.rflex]

Patriotic teabagger-Americans Exercising their Second Amendment Rights
 There's a new site  
on the internets tubes that tracks the arrests of our greatest
Teabagger-Americans, the fine patriots who possess concealed carry
weapons (CCW) permits. It's a shame that such true Americans are
harassed for simply exercising their Second Amendment rights. You'd
think the police would have much better things to do, like tazing the
disrespectful or arresting brown people for losing their keys.

I've gone through the list and randomly picked a few cases to look at a
little more closely. In each case, I found that the patriotic CCW holder
was simply acting in the manner God and the NRA intended.

I've organized them into specific categories of lawful use below.

Auto Insurance Negotiation
There's noting that settles an auto insurance related negotiation faster
than a 9mm.

July 2009
  [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5361912293551635058] 
 Edmond, Oklahoma – An angry driver
pulls a gun on an Oklahoma couple during a road rage incident. Concealed
weapons permit holder, 43-year-old Darryl Inman, charged with felony.
Inman is currently a pilot for JetBlue.

December 2005
Beavercreek, Ohio – CCW holder Jason Todd Waple placed his 9 mm
handgun up to a man's neck after a New Year's Eve traffic
dispute.

Home Defense
A patriot's home is his "Forward Operating Base Alpha Charlie," and he's
right to defend it.

July 2009
Tampa, Florida – Marcos Antonio Truillio, a concealed weapons permit
holder, shot Carlos Aris, a graphics artist working for the Seventh Day
Adventist Church, because he thought the man was breaking into his
house. Family members say he had been going door to door evangelizing.

July 2009
Jeffersonville, Kentucky – Concealed weapons permit holder,
39-year-old Michael Dunn, is being held on seven counts of first-degree
child sodomy in a case involving a 14-year-old boy. In a separate case,
Dunn is being charged with filing incomplete firearms training records
while servicing as a concealed weapons instructor. In February 2008 a
grand jury found Dunn acted in self-defense when he shot and killed a
man during a dispute at his home.

Defending Second Amendment (Stopping Gungrabbers)
Someone's cold, dead hands.

April 2009
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – Richard Poplawski, a CCW permit holder,
ambushed four police officers, killing three and wounding one.

July 2009
Galion, Ohio – Police responding to a domestic violence call shoot
and kill William Kitzmiller. Concealed weapons permit holder Kitzmiller
told his wife if she called the police he "would not be taken
easily." When police tried to disarm him an officer was shot in the
hand, a second officer returned fire and struck and killed Kitzmiller.

Employment Related Need for Firearm
Some jobs require firepower.

July 2009
Rotterdam, New York – Gary DiCocco, CCW permit holder, was found
guilty of promoting illegal gambling in a sport –betting operation
which netted $250,000 in two months.

July 2009
Seven Hills, Ohio - Concealed weapons permit holder, 43-year-old Russell
Larson, was pulled over for going 50 mph in a 25 mph zone. Larson, who
had eight prior [I'd say eight DUI's qualifies as a career] operating a
vehicle while intoxicated arrests, had a loaded .45-caliber pistol in
his car, as well as a large folding knife, brass knuckles, and a bag of
marijuana. He was charged with operated a vehicle while intoxicated ,
felony improper handling of a firearm in a motor vehicle, using weapons
while intoxicated, and possession of marijuana.

Training Youth Sports Officials
Nothing gets a ref's attention like a .44 in the ear.

October 2008
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania -Tye Burke, CCW holder, put a gun to a man's
head at a children's soccer game because he took issue with a coach's
call. The victim was the coach's husband.

Women Dig a Man with a Big Gun
Some of us need all the help we can get.

March 2009
Los Angeles, California - Concealed carry weapon permit holder, Robert
O'Ryan was arrested after jumping the fence at CBS Studios and
attempting to meet Shawn Johnson. A search of his car at the time of the
arrest found a loaded handgun, a loaded shotgun, duct tape and love
letters to Johnson. The 17 year old's parents are filing for a
restraining order against O'Ryan.

February 2009
Brockport, New York - CCW holder Frank Garcia killed three people and
wounded one in upstate New York. Reports are that the killings occurred
because the women had reported Garcia for sexual harassment.

October 2008
Windsor, Cororado -CCW Holder, Thomas Krueger was arrested on school
grounds carrying a loaded Glock and drinking alcohol.

~~  Posted by Gen. JC Christian, Patriot
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2009/07/patriotic-teabagger-americans.htm\
l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[guyfawkes91]

> (Caveat: I'm not arguing that Hagelin's ideas 
> connecting theoretical physics with TM are correct,
> only that Barry's ideas about Hagelin are
> INcorrect, especially his puerile analogy with Dan
> Brown.)

All physicists would agree with Barry on that point.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It appears that he 
> > got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> >
> 
> Cool. It's the bubble diagram revisited. John goes back to basics, the bubble 
> diagram, and boils it all down, explaining complex concepts, simply and 
> elegantly. The beauty of the bubble diagram is that it makes transcending, an 
> abstract concept, more concrete without over intellectualizing the TM 
> experience, a simple, natural, innocent process. Maharishi did his best to 
> keep it simple, knowing that it is just about impossible for some folks to 
> do. After all, how could anything so simple be any good? The over-thinker 
> thinks, "This is TOO simple, let's add some bells and whistles to make it 
> more interesting!" And, so go the lemmings, over the cliff. Tying one's 
> intellect into knots over such a simple process is counterproductive. KISS. 
> IMO.
>

In physics, simplicity is elegance.  But governments spend large sums of money 
to build elaborate machines to prove this point.

See this clip about LHC in Switzerland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJFllPVIcpg&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > To All:
> > > 
> > > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.
> > > It appears that he got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> > >
> > John's problem is that he never strays outside his
> > comfort zone. He only ever gives talks to non-physicists
> > who don't know anything much about the subject matter.
> 
> FWIW, what he's saying in this clip isn't some weird
> idea he dreamed up himself. The quantum foam concept
> came from John Wheeler back in the 1950s. The notion
> that the bubbles give birth to universes was proposed
> by physicist Andrei Linde in the 1990s. It's one of
> several competing approaches in the field of 
> theoretical physics. In that exotic context, it's
> mainstream.
> 
> It isn't Hagelin's physics that physicists have a 
> problem with; it's the connections he makes to 
> consciousness and the Vedic literature.
> 
> On the other hand, there's a bunch of highly
> credentialed (non-TM) physicists who are convinced
> there are very strong connections to be made between
> physics principles and consciousness. That's not
> mainstream yet, but it's getting there.

Stehphen Hawking is taking another approach to this inquiry.  He favors a model 
of the universe that follows all the laws of physics.  But like a novel that 
begs for more questions, he concludes that one cannot ask what happened before 
the Big Bang because nothing existed before then in scientific terms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Kp0rQ23PY

If you all have the time, you should watch the entire series of clips, five in 
all.







>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ananda Mayi Ma

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > Sri Ananda Mayi Ma
> >
> > In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large 
> > group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the 
> > great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on 
> > the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the 
> > group should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets 
> > — masses of them — as our gift.
> >
> > The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house 
> > while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she 
> > gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low 
> > over her house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp.
> >
> > Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that 
> > we were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as 
> > the space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that 
> > Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to 
> > the people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. 
> > that had been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, 
> > and near the end of her Earth days.
> >
> > It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that 
> > this was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell 
> > Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. 
> > The administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where 
> > he said "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi" Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt 
> > upright and folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and 
> > flowers and wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver 
> > to Maharishi.
> >
> > Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to 
> > Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to 
> > Maharishi's great joy.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at 
> > her place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda 
> > Mayee Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree 
> > and let him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out 
> > to the car, walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small 
> > child. There was a mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to 
> > the brim with marigold garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee 
> > Ma pointed to him so that her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then 
> > Sri Ananda Mayee Ma took the whole basket to where Maharishi was now 
> > sitting in the car, and she tipped the whole basket of garlands through the 
> > window into his lap.
> >
> > Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India, 
> > enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the 
> > world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to 
> > Maharishi to learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, 
> > the brother of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have 
> > grasped very little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, 
> > and his role in the universe.
> >
> > http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/stories.html

> Did anyone ever figure out if that was her that came around with 
> Maharishi to the courses in 1976? There was a woman with Maharishi at my 
> TTC in Biarritz in spring '76. Many said it was her. Others claim she 
> never left India. Maybe MMY took out of Indian illegally. Anyway as I 
> walked by her after being made a teacher she was in samadhi and glowed 
> like a lightbulb. I'll never forget that image.

Ananda Mayi Ma wanted to go to Switzerland with Maharishi. His logistic problem 
was She was always surrounded with minimum 80 Disciples who went werever She 
went. What to do with all these people ? He told Her to stay put in India with 
Her Disciples (Her people as He said). 
Did She quietly slip away to Biarritz for a short while ? Perhaps, but I don't 
think so. There would have excisted photographs of this rare Avatar blessing 
the french soil.

When She dropped the body in 1982 Maharishi is quoted as saying; "Now I am 
really alone."

Jai Ma !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > To All:
> > > 
> > > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It 
> > > appears that he got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> > 
> > John's problem is that he never strays outside his comfort 
> > zone. He only ever gives talks to non-physicists who don't 
> > know anything much about the subject matter. If he had the 
> > courage to make some presentations at physics conferences 
> > (if they'd accept his abstracts), then they'd rip him to 
> > pieces and he'd have to start thinking deeply about how 
> > to defend his ideas. Because no one ever questions him, 
> > then he never has to think, and because he never has to 
> > think then he just goes round and round on an endless loop 
> > of new-age TMO happy clappy speak. 
> 
> 
> Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.

You pass judgement too early without knowing the background and context of the 
current quest of the theory of everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2K_FR_MWMw

Admittedly, I came to the realization that these physicists are getting 
"beaucoup bucks" for thinking these ideas up.  But that is the field of physics 
at the cutting edge.









>

[FairfieldLife] Sen. Voinovich (R-OH) : Southern Republicans are sinking GOP

[do.rflex]

Republicans have become more rural and less educated


In an interview on Hardball, former Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) followed up on recent 
comments made by Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) about how the Republican party is 
losing its appeal.

Said Davis: "Politics has been defined by culture over the last few cycles, and 
we've become a rural party and a Southern party. We've been losing inner 
suburbs and the like. A lot of this was the policies of the Bush 
administration."

Furthermore, as the GOP increased its focus on cultural issues, it also caused 
a widening education gap.

Davis added: "The high education areas Obama carried -- 78 of the 100 counties 
with the highest education. McCain carried 88 of the 100 counties with the 
lowest education. As we move to cultural politics, that's been the shift."

Here's the clip:
http://www.gawkk.com/voinovich-southern-republicans-sinking-the-gop/discuss

via: 
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/30/a_rural_and_southern_party.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sri Ananda Mayi Ma

[Bhairitu]

nablusoss1008 wrote:
> Sri Ananda Mayi Ma
>
> In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large 
> group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the 
> great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on 
> the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the group 
> should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets — masses 
> of them — as our gift.
>
> The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house 
> while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she 
> gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low over 
> her house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp.
>
> Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that we 
> were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as the 
> space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that Sri 
> Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to the 
> people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. that had 
> been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, and near the 
> end of her Earth days.
>
> It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that this 
> was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell Sri 
> Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. The 
> administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where he said 
> "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi" Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt upright and 
> folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and flowers and 
> wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver to Maharishi.
>
> Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to 
> Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to 
> Maharishi's great joy.
>
> * * *
>
> On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at her 
> place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda Mayee 
> Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree and let 
> him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out to the car, 
> walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small child. There was a 
> mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to the brim with marigold 
> garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee Ma pointed to him so that 
> her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then Sri Ananda Mayee Ma took the 
> whole basket to where Maharishi was now sitting in the car, and she tipped 
> the whole basket of garlands through the window into his lap.
>
> Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India, 
> enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the 
> world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to Maharishi 
> to learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, the brother 
> of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have grasped very 
> little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, and his role in 
> the universe.
>
> http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/stories.html
Did anyone ever figure out if that was her that came around with 
Maharishi to the courses in 1976? There was a woman with Maharishi at my 
TTC in Biarritz in spring '76. Many said it was her. Others claim she 
never left India. Maybe MMY took out of Indian illegally. Anyway as I 
walked by her after being made a teacher she was in samadhi and glowed 
like a lightbulb. I'll never forget that image.






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[FairfieldLife] A Brief Biography of Guru Dev

[nablusoss1008]

Jai Guru Dev

  [Guru Dev]

Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath
Known by His disciples simply as Guru Dev

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His Divinity Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, 1941 - 1953

A Brief Biography

Our Guru Dev was born "Rajaram" on Thursday, December 21, 1870 in the
village of Gana, Uttar Pradesh, India. As a son of a distinguished
family of Brahmins, his future was all but determined by strict social
rules and family obligations. But Destiny had different plans for young
Rajaram. At the tender age of 9 he became convinced of the futility or
worldly pursuits and decided to leave home in search of God. Several
times, his family tired to stop him…first by force and then by
persuasion. But his determination was strong and eventually his parents
reluctantly gave permission with one condition. His mother asked that he
never become a begging sadhu (wandering ascetic) and that if he was ever
in want, he would come home. Rajaram gave his word and set out on foot
to the Himalayas.

Although young in years, the boy ascetic was mature in understanding and
firm in his resolve. He had made up his mind that he needed a proper
guru and that anyone worthy of that position should fulfill three
requirements. First he should be a fully realized spiritual master.
Second, he should be well versed in Vedic philosophy. And third, he
should be a life celibate, an ideal that the young renunciate himself
had decided to maintain. During his search, he met many teachers but
none who measured up to these high standards. After 5 years of
wandering, he made his way to Uttar-Kashi where he met Sri Swami
Krishnanand Saraswati. There and then, the young ascetic had found his
master and he surrendered himself fully and without hesitation.

A close master/disciple relationship gradually developed between the
young brahmachari (monk) and Swami Krishnanand. After several years of
devotion and study, his desire for realization had become a burning
flame in his heart. When the master sensed the student was ready, he
gave him advanced meditation instruction and sent him to spend time in a
cave, away from the other disciples. While the rest of the world
continued to turn, the young renunciate entered the cave, vowing not to
come out until his spiritual quest was complete. We don't know how
long he kept himself locked away. But at some point, the Self-luminous
Truth revealed itself as it always has for those rare devotees who are
ready. He stepped off the wheel of samsara (endless cycle of action and
reaction) and stepped out of the cave a jivanmukti (liberated soul). As
Guru Dev was later to say,

"The dawn comes to dispel the darkness of night, by the light of the
sun, which is self-luminous. Likewise, spiritual teachings come to
destroy ignorance. But they cannot throw light on the Self. The Self is
Light."

In 1906, our Guru Dev, then age 36, attended the Kumbh Mela in Prayag.
At this auspicious gathering, he was formally ordained by Swami
Krishnanand, and given the title Sri Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
Maharaj.

Prior to his public life, as Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Guru Dev
spent long stretches of time in seclusion, in forest caves and remote
jungles where even the light of day is unable to penetrate the thick
overgrowth. For much of his life, he remained in these isolated places,
deeply involved in his love affair with the Divine. Outwardly, he lived
in total harmony with nature, whether among people or animals. Even
during some chance encounter with a tiger or other wild animal, each
would pass one another and go their own way, without fear or discord.

Whenever he ventured into the towns and villages of the region, his
physical presence and spiritual charisma attracted people from all walks
of life wishing to receive his darshan (`sight' or blessing).
Inasmuch as he was able, he avoided notoriety and sought the solitude of
a reclusive life. Yet despite his efforts to remain anonymous, local
residents as well as spiritual leaders throughout North India became
aware of this rare saint who lived in the forest…a sage of the
highest order and a radiant beacon of spiritual light.

The seat of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the principal seat of the
four maths (monasteries) originally established by Adi Shankara some
1,500 years ago. The seat had remained vacant for 165 years, largely
because a fully qualified candidate could not be found. According to
tradition, the Shankaracharya should be a Brahmin, someone linked by
guru-disciple relationship to Adi Shankara, a Dandi Swami ('staff
bearing', advanced renunciate) well versed in the Vedic Literature and a
fully realized embodiment of Advaita Vedanta (School of Non-duality).
The Indian Religious Federation, as well as various state and spiritual
leade

[FairfieldLife] Happiness

[nablusoss1008]

Happiness

Enjoy your life and be happy.

Being happy is of the utmost importance. Success in anything is through 
happiness. Under all circumstances be happy, even if you have to force it a bit 
to change some long standing habits. Just think of any negativity that comes at 
you as a raindrop falling into the ocean of your bliss. You may not always have 
an ocean of bliss, but think that way anyway and it will help it come.

Doubting is not blissful and does not create happiness. Be happy, healthy and 
let all that love flow through your heart. We have an infinite number of 
reasons to be happy and a serious responsibility not to be serious.

Always think of good qualities. Life is so precious. Every minute contributes 
to future progress. Where is the time to think of bad things? There is not 
enough time to think of all the good that exists on earth and in heaven."

Keep Your Desire Turning Back

Keep your desire turning back within and be patient. Allow the fulfillment to 
come to you. Resist the temptation to chase your dreams into the world. Pursue 
them in your heart until they disappear into the Self and leave them there. It 
may take a little self-discipline. Be simple, be kind, stay rested.

Attend to your own inner health and happiness. Happiness radiates like a 
fragrance from a flower and draws all good things towards you. Allow your love 
to nourish yourself as well as others.

Do not strain after your needs of life. It is sufficient to be quietly alert 
and aware of them. In this way, life proceeds more naturally, effortlessly.

Life is here to enjoy.


http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/discourses.html

[FairfieldLife] Devraha Baba

[nablusoss1008]

Devraha Baba was a great saint of India who passed away in 1991. So elderly was 
he that the President of India, Dr. Rajendra Prasad, more than fifty years ago 
said that his father had sat at the feet of Devraha Baba as a child — that is, 
in the middle of the nineteenth century — and Devraha Baba was already elderly 
at that time. An Allahabad High Court Barrister told Purusha visiting there 
that seven generations of his family had sat at the feet of Devraha Baba.

In 1982, a group of Purusha visited Devraha Baba at the Aardh Kumbha Mela, in 
Hardwar. In front of all the people attending his talk, the Purusha introduced 
themselves as being from Maharishi. Devraha Baba replied, "Maharishi is very 
dear to me." After saying some other very nice things about Maharishi, he 
started throwing fruit to the Purusha. That was his way of giving blessings. He 
did three rounds of fruit-throws to them, which they were told was very special.

* * *

In 1989 another group of Purusha visited Devraha Baba at the Kumbha Mehla in 
Allahabad, where he was residing on a raised platform above the sand banks near 
the Sangam. The Purusha were with Devraha Baba when he saw a long line of 
yellow-clad young Vedic Pandits coming across the sands towards him chanting 
the Veda, sent by Maharishi to greet India's eldest saint.

When he saw them, Devraha Baba suddenly put his hands across his heart and said 
passionately, "Maharishi has revived the whole Vedic tradition!"

* * *

At the Kumbha Mela in 2001, the devotees of Devraha Baba told our Purusha how 
Devraha Baba would often say that there is a Gyan Yuga coming in the midst of 
Kali Yuga, starting from a transition period from 2000 to 2020, and that His 
Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is the one creating it!


Sadguru Sant Keshava Das

Sadguru Sant Keshava Das was a saint from south India who was considered a 
great exponent of Bakti Yoga. He primarily composed and sang Bhajans and 
expounded on the Bhagavad Gita and Lord Krishna's teachings.

In 1996, a group of Purusha, local representatives of Maharishi's Indian 
organizations, and a local real estate agent were out looking for land for 
building Vedic Pandit schools. The realtor was a devotee of  Keshava Das and 
took the group to his main ashram, close to the land they were looking at, for 
his Darshan.

Keshava Das was very gracious to the group. And when they introduced themselves 
as being from Maharishi, Keshava Das said,

"Maharishi is single-handedly reviving the Vedic tradition."

This was a great compliment to Maharishi from a revered saint, as he himself 
was also trying to revive the Vedic knowledge.

Swami Lakshmanju

Swami Lakshmanju (1907–1991) was the last Acharya of the Kashmir Shaiva 
tradition. Written accounts of conversations with Swami Lakshmanju include the 
following comments about Maharishi:

"If you ask me, Maharishi's teaching starts where mine ends and it goes from 
there to Infinity." Then he added, "Maharishi is the greatest saint to walk the 
Earth in ten thousand years!"

Raj Mata of Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
(as told by Dr. Neil Patterson)

"In 1976, the Raj Mata of Lucknow, U. P., came to visit Maharishi in 
Switzerland. She had been a great devotee of Guru Dev when he was 
Shankaracharya and Guru Dev used to stay at the Royal Palace whenever he would 
visit Lucknow. Raj Mata told me that she remembers Maharishi when he was a 
brahmachari serving Guru Dev, but she really didn't pay much attention to him 
at the time. However, she was very surprised years later, after Guru Dev had 
left this earth, when people would come to her…people who had known Guru Dev 
and who had recently seen Maharishi. They would tell Raj Mata that Maharishi is 
just like Guru Dev. At first, Raj Mata said she didn't believe this. But 
throughout the sixties and early seventies, people kept telling her that 
Maharishi was just like Guru Dev and that she should go and see him. So, 
finally, she decided that before the end of her life, she had to come and see 
for herself. She stayed with us for about three months. On the day she was 
leaving, I escorted her to Maharishi's meeting room where she was to see him 
for the last time and with my assistance she sat on the floor. I protested that 
Maharishi would not want her to sit on the floor but she said to me in a very 
heartful tone,

'Oh no, you do not understand. When all those people told me that Maharishi was 
just like Guru Dev, I came to see for myself. But having been with Maharishi 
these past few months, I can see that they were wrong. Maharishi is not like 
Guru Dev, He is Guru Dev. There is no difference between the two. Maharishi got 
completely absorbed in Guru Dev's Being and became That. Maharishi is not only 
the disciple who is just like the Master. He is the Master. He is Guru Dev and 
therefore I have to sit at his feet.'"

http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/stories.html

[FairfieldLife] Tat Wala Baba

[nablusoss1008]

Tat Wala Baba

During the Teacher Training Course with Maharishi in the Academy of Meditation 
Shankaracharya Nagar in Rishikesh at the end of 1969, a course that included 
many of the greatest luminaries of the Movement, the course participants asked 
Maharishi if the famous recluse saint Tat Wala Baba could come to visit the 
course, as had happened in previous courses. Tat Wala Baba was living in a cave 
about three miles up in the hills behind our Academy. It was his custom to only 
come out once a day for one hour to let visitors enjoy his darshan. There was a 
lean-to just below his cave for this purpose.

He was a very powerful man, very muscular like a wrestler, with matted hair 
that fell all the way to the ground. Maharishi said of him that he seemed to be 
in a good state of Unity Consciousness.

Maharishi agreed to invite Tat Wala Baba to come to speak to the course, and 
sent Brahmachari Shankerlalji, a very elderly and blissful Brahmachari, who had 
been Maharishi's Guru Bhai when Maharishi was Guru Dev's Brahmachari, and who 
lived out all his final years in Maharishi's Academy of Meditation in Rishikesh 
(except for one time in 1970 when Maharishi sent him to Japan for a trip to see 
the Movement there). Maharishi also sent Bevan to accompany Shankerlalji to go 
to the cave and invite Tat Wala Babaji.

They drove as far as the could into the forest down a narrow track, and then 
climbed the final section up the hill. They found Tat Wala Baba had just come 
out for his daily Darshan and was sitting listening to a Pandit who was 
chanting slokas from a big book that was open in front of him.

Shankerlalji and Bevan respectfully greeted Tat Wala Babaji, and then 
Shankerlalji conveyed Maharishi's invitation to come to speak to the course. 
Tat Wala Babaji immediately stood up, saying to the Pandit and the others who 
had come to see him: "Maharishiji is calling I have to go," and put on his 
sandals and started walking down the hill.

He came in the car through the forest to the Academy, pulling up outside the 
lecture hall where the course was meeting with Maharishi. The lecture hall was 
approached from the back down a ramp, and as Tat Wala Babaji entered the ramp 
the course participants could see him coming, and indicated to Maharishi that 
he had arrived. Maharishi came immediately from his seat, and as he turned the 
corner up the ramp, at the moment he first saw Tat Wala Babaji, Maharishi's 
face lit up like the sun from the joy.

There followed a beautiful session of questions and answers with the course 
with Maharishi and Tat Wala Babaji sitting hand in hand — an experience that no 
one there will ever forget.

* * *

On another occasion a visitor to the Academy went up to see Tat Wala Babaji. 
When he arrived, he found another visitor there, a businessman from Delhi, who 
asked where our meditator was coming from. He said he came from Maharishi. The 
businessman scoffed, saying he should study some Indian philosopher from Oxford 
instead. So our meditator said, "Why not ask Tat Wala Babaji his opinion of 
Maharishi," to which the businessman agreed.

Tat Wala Babaji responded to the question, speaking very rapidly in Hindi, 
going on for about 15-20 minutes. As he continued, the businessman looked 
increasingly crestfallen. At the end our meditator asked, "What did Tat Wala 
Babaji say?" The businessman replied, "He said, `Maharishi knows everything.'"

http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/stories.html

[FairfieldLife] Sri Ananda Mayi Ma

[nablusoss1008]

Sri Ananda Mayi Ma

In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large group 
to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the great 
saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on the route 
back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the group should visit 
her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets — masses of them — as 
our gift.

The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house while 
waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she gave 
darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low over her 
house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp.

Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that we 
were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as the space 
was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that Sri Ananda 
Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to the people coming 
and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. that had been placed in 
front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, and near the end of her Earth 
days.

It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that this 
was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell Sri 
Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. The 
administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where he said 
"Maharishi Mahesh Yogi" Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt upright and 
folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and flowers and 
wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver to Maharishi.

Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to 
Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to Maharishi's 
great joy.

* * *

On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at her 
place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda Mayee 
Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree and let 
him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out to the car, 
walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small child. There was a 
mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to the brim with marigold 
garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee Ma pointed to him so that 
her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then Sri Ananda Mayee Ma took the 
whole basket to where Maharishi was now sitting in the car, and she tipped the 
whole basket of garlands through the window into his lap.

Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India, 
enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the 
world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to Maharishi to 
learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, the brother of 
Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have grasped very little 
of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, and his role in the 
universe.

http://www.srigurudev.net/maharishi/stories.html
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> 
> > Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.
> 
> You rate him that highly?

LOL.  See my followup post.  :-)

In terms of success and achievement, absolutely not.

In terms of "selling out" for their respective versions
of "success," absolutely. 

[FairfieldLife] On Finding God and the Value of Worship

[nablusoss1008]

On Finding God and the Value of Worship

The heart went to find God and was caught…caught for sure. As you send a doll 
made of salt into the ocean, and say to the doll, 'Go and measure! How deep is 
the ocean? What is the depth?' Just so, the salt doll can easily go in, but it 
will not be able to come back. There is no difficulty to go but there is 
difficulty to come back. As it goes into the ocean it dissolves. So, who will 
come back when the seeker experiences Paramatman (God)? How is it possible for 
the soul to listen or speak of Paramatman, if Paramatman has not been seen?

Worshipping Paramatman is highly profitable. Any amount of time spent on it 
will come back to you with multifold interest. One should be fortunate enough 
to do profitable business. The unfortunate will always involve himself in such 
business where loss is inevitable. It is surprising that people make a huge 
effort to gain wealth and materials of comfort. But no effort is put forth in 
activities that gain Paramatman, which is a natural activity and can be done 
with ease. What an indiscretion! The still more astonishing thing is that 
people are not putting their attention to Paramatman, who is the very source of 
peace and happiness.

People struggle hard to gain valueless baubles of daily living, day in and day 
out. It is said: 'Gain one thing to gain everything - try to gain everything 
and you will gain nothing.' By gaining Paramatman, everything will be gained 
automatically. If you leave Paramatman and try to gain everything else, you 
will never be able to gain anything. Whatever is gained, will seem so small, 
that you will not feel happy.

If you want to catch the shadow, catch the real thing and automatically the 
shadow will be in your hands. Leaving the real, if you run after the shadow, 
the faster you run, the faster it will run away from you. That is why to run 
after shadowy wealth and fame is foolhardy. Catch hold of the Real - Paramatman 
- and all else will be under your command. Remember that keeping attention to 
Paramatman is always highly profitable. Whatever time you put on this, you will 
get back with multifold interest.

It is a waste to make much of your activity, so try to live quietly as long as 
you have to live in the world. Even emperors like Chakravarti Dasaratha could 
not get all that they desired. That is why it is a great mistake to involve 
oneself day and night in trying to satisfy desires.

One should not forget, one day it is certain that we have to move out of here! 
Whatever the project we may be engaged, whatever condition and wherever it 
might be, we will have to leave it as it is and go. Everyone has to travel 
alone. So do not be sad about things that we have no choice but to leave.

As long as one has to live, live peacefully. It is certain that work here can 
never be completed. So do not make much out of doing work in the world. Work, 
as an end in itself, is a waste. Lead this life with a peaceful mind, doing 
your duty and always remembering Paramatman.

The Creator is Vishvambhara. He shoulders the duty to sustain and protect us. 
And so, he will make arrangements. Without having faith in His support, if you 
depend on your intellect and cleverness, deceit and craftiness, you will lead a 
life of turbulence and the future path will also be darkened. So, lead life in 
such a way that you will be peaceful while living and making your future path 
bright as well.

http://www.srigurudev.net/gurudev/discourses.html

[FairfieldLife] The Value of a Human Birth and the Importance of Right Action

[nablusoss1008]

The Value of a Human Birth and the Importance of Right Action

Do good works without hesitation. The Jiva has been experiencing samsara for 
many, many births. It is only natural, therefore, that its tendencies have 
become worldly. To turn its tendencies toward Paramatman and away from samsara 
requires some effort. In reality, the aim of life is to stop the mind from 
involvement with this world. If one engages in spiritual practice and in 
thinking and speaking about God, the mind will start dwelling on Him and after 
some time it will withdraw from the world on its own.

In our daily affairs we should adopt a strategy of quickly attending to good 
works and things related to the Divine. Should any wrong thought arise, on the 
other hand, we should try to postpone it to another time by saying, "I'll do it 
tomorrow, or the day after next." In this way, wrong action can be continuously 
postponed.

To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva (angel or Divine 
being). Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any 
other life form. Birth as a deva is attained by those who perform certain 
sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to 
enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devas wander incessantly because of 
the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot 
perform purushartha (Divine action - action in accord with the cosmic evolution 
and individual destiny). For this reason, the human birth is considered 
superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can 
eventually merge with God.

A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas devas are like pieces of 
fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their progress is complete, and 
they cannot be further improved. On the other hand, gold which has not yet been 
crafted by the jeweler, has unlimited potential. Hence the birth of a human 
being is said to be the very best birth for action.

Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should 
conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while 
keeping faith in Paramatman is the greatest purushartha. Strive to become one 
with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in the Vedas and Shastras (Vedic 
scripture) and keep the company of saints, mahatmas and wise people. Only then 
will the purpose of your life be fulfilled.

To get a human body is a rare thing—make full use of it. There are four million 
kinds of births which a soul can gather. After that one gets a human body. 
Therefore, one should not waste this opportunity. Every second in human life is 
very valuable. If you don't value this, then you will have nothing in hand and 
you will weep in the end.

Because you're human, God has given you power to think and decide what is good 
and bad. Therefore, you can do the best possible kind of action. You should 
never consider yourself weak or a fallen creature. Whatever may have happened 
up to now may be because you didn't know. But now be careful. After gaining a 
human body, if you don't reach God, then you have sold a diamond at the price 
of spinach.

http://www.srigurudev.net/gurudev/discourses.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Dan Brown takes popular legends (New Age or older),
> learns just enough about them to weave them into one
> of his shitty plots, and doesn't bother to learn any
> more. As far as I can tell, that is what Hagelin has
> done with physics.

Naah. Hagelin has made significant contributions
to mainstream theoretical physics; Dan Brown has
never made any significant contribution to
literature.

That alone blows the "analogy."

Hagelin learned "just enough about physics" to
graduate summa cum laude from Darthmouth, win a
physics fellowship to and get his master's and
Ph.D. from Harvard, become a researcher at CERN
and SLAC, and publish 70 papers in mainstream
physics journals.

He continued to contribute to theoretical physics
in collaboration with some of his earlier 
colleagues after he was appointed to MIU.

He learned TM in 1970 and became a TM teacher
after his first year at Dartmouth, so his interest
in physics and his interest in TM coexisted well
before he joined MIU.

> He may have "started well." But then the quest for
> fame -- and, in his case, guru worship, and the desire
> to be "noticed" and "favored" by Maharishi -- took hold
> of him, and he stopped trying to be true to physics, or
> to reality. He started saying the kinds of things that
> would get him "strokes" from Maharishi, just as Dan
> Brown stopped trying to get things right, and started
> writing the things that would sell the most books.

(When, exactly, was Dan Brown ever actually "trying
to get things right"? Below Barry claims he *never*
cared about the truth. Which is it?)

Barry's take on Hagelin is based on his conviction
that because *Barry's* view of How It All Works is
the correct one, Hagelin's view isn't True to Science.
Therefore, Hagelin couldn't possibly really believe
the view he promotes and is only after money, fame,
and strokes.

There's nothing sadder in someone who thinks of
himself as a "creative writer" than a lack of
imagination, the inability to see things from
another's perspective.

(Caveat: I'm not arguing that Hagelin's ideas 
connecting theoretical physics with TM are correct,
only that Barry's ideas about Hagelin are
INcorrect, especially his puerile analogy with Dan
Brown.)

This is 50 for me.

[FairfieldLife] Story of the Cocaine Addict

[nablusoss1008]

Story of the Cocaine Addict

'One day a man who was considered to be very wealthy came to Guru Dev and 
asked, "I have been so happy whenever I have come to you. Would you allow me to 
donate something for your ashram?"

"No", said Guru Dev, "I do not want your money but I want from you what is 
dearest to you!"

"Do you want my estates?"

"No, your estates do not belong to you, you have so many debts."

Now the man was deeply frightened! Guru Dev continued quietly: "You have a 
little box in your pocket, what is in it, that is what I want, for that is 
dearest to you! For that cocaine you have been spending all your money and have 
made your family unhappy. If you have to make an offering, offer not your money 
but your defects, so that you are redeemed and made whole."

Trembling the man took out of his pocket a little box and handed it to Guru 
Dev. He prostrated before the master for a long time and then thanked him from 
the deepest bottom of his heart for having been cured of his addiction.

Guru Dev said: "Now go and work and make your family happy!"'

http://www.srigurudev.net/gurudev/discourses.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[uns_tressor]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> 
> > John Hagelin was honored with a Kilby International Award 
> > for his work in particle physics leading to the development 
> > of super-string grand unified field theories.
> >
> Which doesn't mean anything. He's now a salesman for an idea 
>(the ME) which requires abandoning conservation of energy. 
>
I hate to give Donald Rumsfeld credit for anything, but the
Conservation of Energy isn't worth a piss in a bucket unless
you include in the equations all forms of energy you know
about, AND all forms of energy you know that you don't know
about AND all forms of energy you don't know you know about
AND all forms of energy that you don't know that you don't
know about.

Remember that when you use the Law of Conservation of energy. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[guyfawkes91]

> John Hagelin was honored with a Kilby International Award 
> for his work in particle physics leading to the development 
> of super-string grand unified field theories.
>
Which doesn't mean anything. He's now a salesman for an idea (the ME) which 
requires abandoning conservation of energy. 

I'll quote from Peter Woit's book about string theory "Not even wrong" where he 
mentions the case of Hagelin as an example of a bright guy gone mad

"Virtually every theoretical physicist in the world rejects all of this as 
nonsense and the work of a crackpot, but Hagelin's case shows that crackpots 
can have PhDs from the Harvard Physics Department ..."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[uns_tressor]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> FWIW, what he's saying in this clip isn't some weird
> idea he dreamed up himself. The quantum foam concept
> came from John Wheeler back in the 1950s...
>
Is this what the Nobel Physics Prize of 1957 (Lee and Yang)
is all about? Seething mass of particles with a + charge or
a - charge, springing into existance and then decaying
almost immedately?

Remember Hal Puthoff's remark that if you could get all the
energy out of the air occupied by a tea cup, you could boil
the Altantic ocean dry, and have enough left to do the same
to the others - and several times over. 

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smith.pdf
http://www.cheniere.org

I have it on good authority from a siddha in London that
people are starting to get results. A bit like the 
Californian gold rush.
Uns.

[FairfieldLife] The tide is turning on climate change debate

[shempmcgurk]

Climate Revolt: World's Largest Science Group 'Startled' By Outpouring of 
Scientists Rejecting Man-Made Climate Fears! Clamor for Editor to Be Removed! 
 
Scientists seek to remove climate fear promoting editor and 'trade him to New 
York Times or Washington Post'

Wednesday, July 29, 2009By Marc Morano  –  Climate Depot

Climate Depot Exclusive

An outpouring of skeptical scientists who are members of the American Chemical 
Society (ACS) are revolting against the group's editor-in-chief -- with some 
demanding he be removed -- after an editorial appeared claiming "the science of 
anthropogenic climate change is becoming increasingly well established." 

The editorial claimed the "consensus" view was growing "increasingly difficult 
to challenge, despite the efforts of diehard climate-change deniers." The 
editor now admits he is "startled" by the negative reaction from the group's 
scientific members. The American Chemical Society bills itself as the "world's 
largest scientific society."

The June 22, 2009 editorial in Chemical and Engineering News by editor in chief 
Rudy Baum, is facing widespread blowback and condemnation from American 
Chemical Society member scientists. Baum concluded his editorial by stating 
that "deniers" are attempting to "derail meaningful efforts to respond to 
global climate change."

Dozens of letters from ACS members were published on July 27, 2009 castigating 
Baum, with some scientists calling for his replacement as editor-in-chief.

The editorial was met with a swift, passionate and scientific rebuke from 
Baum's colleagues. Virtually all of the letters published on July 27 in 
castigated Baum's climate science views. Scientists rebuked Baum's use of the 
word "deniers" because of the terms "association with Holocaust deniers." In 
addition, the scientists called Baum's editorial: "disgusting"; "a disgrace"; 
"filled with misinformation"; "unworthy of a scientific periodical" and "pap."

One outraged ACS member wrote to Baum: "When all is said and done, and you and 
your kind are proven wrong (again), you will have moved on to be an unthinking 
urn for another rat pleading catastrophe. You will be removed. I promise."

Baum 'startled' by scientists reaction

Baum wrote on July 27, that he was "startled" and "surprised" by the "contempt" 
and "vehemence" of the ACS scientists to his view of the global warming 
"consensus."

"Some of the letters I received are not fit to print. Many of the letters we 
have printed are, I think it is fair to say, outraged by my position on global 
warming," Baum wrote.

Selected Excerpts of Skeptical Scientists: 

"I think it's time to find a new editor," ACS member Thomas E. D'Ambra wrote. 

Geochemist R. Everett Langford wrote: "I am appalled at the condescending 
attitude of Rudy Baum, Al Gore, President Barack Obama, et al., who essentially 
tell us that there is no need for further research—that the matter is solved."

ACS scientist Dennis Malpass wrote: "Your editorial was a disgrace. It was 
filled with misinformation, half-truths, and ad hominem attacks on those who 
dare disagree with you. Shameful!"

ACS member scientist Dr. Howard Hayden, a Physics Professor Emeritus from the 
University of Connecticut: "Baum's remarks are particularly disquieting because 
of his hostility toward skepticism, which is part of every scientist's soul. 
Let's cut to the chase with some questions for Baum: Which of the 20-odd major 
climate models has settled the science, such that all of the rest are now 
discarded? [...] Do you refer to 'climate change' instead of 'global warming' 
because the claim of anthropogenic global warming has become increasingly 
contrary to fact?"

Edward H. Gleason wrote: "Baum's attempt to close out debate goes against all 
my scientific training, and to hear this from my ACS is certainly alarming to 
me...his use of 'climate-change deniers' to pillory scientists who do not 
believe climate change is a crisis is disingenuous and unscientific."

Atmospheric Chemist Roger L. Tanner: "I have very little in common with the 
philosophy of the Heartland Institute and other 'free-market fanatics,' and I 
consider myself a progressive Democrat. Nevertheless, we scientists should know 
better than to propound scientific truth by consensus and to excoriate skeptics 
with purple prose."

William Tolley: "I take great offense that Baum would use Chemical and 
Engineering News, for which I pay dearly each year in membership dues, to 
purvey his personal views and so glibly ignore contrary information and scold 
those of us who honestly find these views to be a hoax."

William E. Keller wrote: "However bitter you (Baum) personally may feel about 
CCDs (climate change deniers), it is not your place as editor to accuse 
them—falsely—of nonscientific behavior by using insultingly inappropriate 
language. [...] The growing body of scientists, whom you abuse as sowing doubt, 
making up statistics, and claiming to be ignored by the media, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[guyfawkes91]

> Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.
>
You rate him that highly?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[guyfawkes91]

> FWIW, what he's saying in this clip isn't some weird
> idea he dreamed up himself. The quantum foam concept
> came from John Wheeler back in the 1950s. The notion
> that the bubbles give birth to universes was proposed
> by physicist Andrei Linde in the 1990s. It's one of
> several competing approaches in the field of 
> theoretical physics. In that exotic context, it's
> mainstream.
> 
> It isn't Hagelin's physics that physicists have a 
> problem with; it's the connections he makes to 
> consciousness and the Vedic literature.
> 

There are interesting issues which JH could make some headway with except that 
he never has to think. All he ever does is talk in superficial terms to people 
who don't know much about the subject. If you look closely at what he's saying 
then all he's doing is endlessly shuffling a pack of cards with various new 
agey or TMO speak sayings  on them. He never gets to the point of being able to 
calculate something or prove something. 

> On the other hand, there's a bunch of highly
> credentialed (non-TM) physicists who are convinced
> there are very strong connections to be made between
> physics principles and consciousness. That's not
> mainstream yet, but it's getting there.
>
Yes but they present arguments in a very meticulous way appropriate for high 
level physicists.

In any case, space time foam is done away with in string theory, so if he's 
arguing the case for space-time-foam being connected to TC then he's also 
inadvertently arguing that string theory is wrong and therefore his 
"connections" between Vedic literature and string theory are an exact 
correlation between VL and a theory which is wrong.

But because no one ever argues with him he never has to stop and think these 
things through.

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Organic no healthier: study

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Organic food is no healthier, study finds
>>>
>>>   
>> ***
>>
>> The basis for choosing organic food is to avoid pesticide/herbicide 
>> contamination of one's food and the environment. I'm not sure why anybody 
>> (except for nonorganic farming industry) would choose to make such a narrow 
>> claim that seems obvious without doing this big meta-analysis: nutritional 
>> value of food remains the same whether you soak it in pesticides/herbicides 
>> or not -- amazing! A relevant study would have been to find out if organic 
>> consumers lower their cancer etc risk when compared to nonorganic consumers.
>> 
>
>
>
>
> Why would you assume that consuming organics would LOWER cancer risks?
>
> If eating non-organics means consuming more pesticides and herbicides 
> wouldn't that be more akin to chemotherapy?
>
> Eating non-organics may ward off cancer.  I mean, who knows?
>   
Better living through chemistry?  When are you getting your chip 
implant, Shemp?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow: Secret 'C' Street Christianist sect goes global

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The fact that Inhofe belongs to that crackpot 'C' Street group that 
> > > > > > emulates Hitler and Mao's methods of rule instead of democracy 
> > > > > > speaks for itself about that nutbag Inhofe.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which of Hitler's and Mao's methods of rule does "C" Street group 
> > > > > emulate?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, according to what you reproduce below, having kids kill their own 
> > > parents is one of Mao's methods that the "C" Street group will emulate.
> > > 
> > > I see.
> > > 
> > > And do you personally believe that, John, that these elected Senators 
> > > subscribe to that method?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Their current leader makes his points quite clearly, Shremp. Do you think 
> > his followers are members of his sect because they don't agree with him?
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You're avoiding answering the question.
> 
> You made a claim.
> 
> The claim you made turns out to be that members of this organisation believe 
> in having children kill their own parents.
> 
> I then asked if you truly believed that members subscribed to this.
> 
> And you can't answer.
> 


Here's an expanded version to consider, Shremp:

Counseling Rep. Tiahrt, Doug Coe offered Pol Pot 
and Osama bin Laden as men whose commitment to their 
causes is to be emulated. Preaching on the meaning of 
Christ's words, he says, "You know Jesus said 'You got 
to put Him before mother-father-brother sister? Hitler, 
Lenin, Mao, that's what they taught the kids. Mao even 
had the kids killing their own mother and father. 
But it wasn't murder. It was for building the new 
nation. The new kingdom."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street/


The members have answered for themselves, Shremp. Knowing the tenets of Coe's 
sect, they are still members. 

I can't read their minds however, but in my view anyone who would belong to an 
ideologically elitist club who considers themselves above the law and professes 
the philosophies of Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao, is a not someone fit to represent 
the people of the United States.

After briefly associating herself with the sect, Hillary Clinton found out what 
they were really about and dropped them like a hot potato.

Hillary Clinton, who once described leader Doug Coe 
as a "genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide." 
(When NBC Nightly News broadcast videotape I supplied 
of Coe comparing his Fellowship to that of "Hitler, 
Goebbels, and Himmler," Clinton immediately distanced 
herself from the group, declaring that she'd never 
given it any money.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-26/conspiracy-on-c-street/full/

==

Author, Jeff Sharlet, of "The Family:The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of 
American Power" writes:


"Jesus didn't come to take sides. 
He came to take over." 
And by Jesus, the Family means the Family.


= = Family leaders consider their political network to be 
Christ's avant garde, an elite that transcends not 
just conventional morality but also earthly laws 
regulating lobbying. 

In the Family's early days, they debated registering as 
"a lobby for God's Kingdom." Instead, founder Abraham 
Vereide decided that the group could be more effective 
by working personally with politicians. "The more 
invisible you can make your organization," 

Vereide's successor, current leader Doug Coe preaches, 
"the more influence you can have." That's true -- which 
is why we have laws requiring lobbyists to identify 
themselves as such.

...I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks 
as a member of the Family. He's a surprising source of 
counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain 
what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David 
was -- or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate -- 
he asked a young man who'd put himself, body and soul, 
under the Family's authority, 

"Let's say I hear you raped three little girls. What 
would I think of you?" 

The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was 
a monster. 

"No," answered Coe, "I wouldn't." 

Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he's among what 
Family leaders refer to as the "new chosen." If you're chosen, 
the normal rules don't apply.


= = The Family likes to call itself a "Christian Mafia," but it began 74 years 
ago as an anti-New Deal coalition of businessmen convinced that organized labor 
was under the sway of Satan. 

The Great Depression, they believed, was a punish

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, WillyTex wrote:
> 
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.
> > 
> > John Hagelin was honored with a Kilby International Award
> > for his work in particle physics leading to the development
> > of super-string grand unified field theories.
> 
> He also received the prestigious Ig Nobel prize for his 
> contributions to the "Vedic" pseudoscience known as the 
> "Maharishi Effect". Very appropriately named since it 
> does nothing.
> 
> I'm really hoping to see some of his work make it into 
> The Journal of Scientific Exploration, like his other 
> colleagues in the TMO have. Perhaps a collaboration with 
> J.Z. Knight is in the works? One can only hope.

I still think my analogy to Dan Brown is apt.

Brown actually (and I know this defies belief)
*taught* creative writing before he got famous.
Then he decided to get famous instead.

Dan Brown is famous for doing "just enough research
to sound plausible to dumb readers, while missing 
the big picture entirely." For example, he carefully
poured over maps of Paris so he could write the 
scenes of his characters escaping from the Louvre
and use all the right street names. Of course, he
didn't learn to actually *read* the maps, and in the
book had his characters driving the wrong way on
one-way streets. He managed to get a tour of CERN
so that he could write "convincingly" about it, 
and then made so many mistakes describing both the
place and the things being studied there that CERN
barred him from ever being allowed access to any
information about the project that he could use in
a novel again. 

Dan Brown takes popular legends (New Age or older),
learns just enough about them to weave them into one
of his shitty plots, and doesn't bother to learn any
more. As far as I can tell, that is what Hagelin has
done with physics. 

He may have "started well." But then the quest for
fame -- and, in his case, guru worship, and the desire
to be "noticed" and "favored" by Maharishi -- took hold
of him, and he stopped trying to be true to physics, or
to reality. He started saying the kinds of things that
would get him "strokes" from Maharishi, just as Dan
Brown stopped trying to get things right, and started
writing the things that would sell the most books. 

Brown didn't *care* about telling the truth. He never
had to, because on the whole his readers aren't smart
enough to know the truth or even want to. They're the
literary counterparts of Raunchydog today, "dumb and
proud of it." 

Well, Hagelin no longer cares about being true to
science, either, and for the same reasons. He knows
that he has a soft, cushy salary for the rest of his
life saying the same things over and over again to a 
TM audience. He no longer cares about being "true to
science" because he knows that he's speaking to an
audience who doesn't care about science at all, only
what they can convinced to believe science "proves"
about their superstitious neoHindu beliefs. 

The only real difference I see between Dan Brown and
John Hagelin is that many people on the planet would
know Dan Brown's name if they heard it. Almost no one
on the planet would recognize Hagelin's name. 

And the saddest part of all of this is that being that
kind of "big fish in a small pond" was ENOUGH for John
Hagelin. Getting paid a cushy salary, getting strokes
from Maharishi while he was alive, getting lots of 
pussy from the TM "groupies" -- this was ENOUGH for
him. How pathetic.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[Vaj]

On Jul 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, WillyTex wrote:


TurquoiseB wrote:
> Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.
>
Yeah, Hagelin can't hold a candle to Fred Lenz!

At age 48, Lenz took an overdose of Valium and jumped into
a lake. His body was found two days later with a dog collar
around his neck.

John Hagelin was honored with a Kilby International Award
for his work in particle physics leading to the development
of super-string grand unified field theories.



He also received the prestigious Ig Nobel prize for his contributions  
to the "Vedic" pseudoscience known as the "Maharishi Effect". Very  
appropriately named since it does nothing.


I'm really hoping to see some of his work make it into The Journal of  
Scientific Exploration, like his other colleagues in the TMO have.  
Perhaps a collaboration with J.Z. Knight is in the works? One can  
only hope.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow: Secret 'C' Street Christianist sect goes global

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The fact that Inhofe belongs to that crackpot 'C' Street group that 
> > > > > emulates Hitler and Mao's methods of rule instead of democracy speaks 
> > > > > for itself about that nutbag Inhofe.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Which of Hitler's and Mao's methods of rule does "C" Street group 
> > > > emulate?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > So, according to what you reproduce below, having kids kill their own 
> > parents is one of Mao's methods that the "C" Street group will emulate.
> > 
> > I see.
> > 
> > And do you personally believe that, John, that these elected Senators 
> > subscribe to that method?
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Their current leader makes his points quite clearly, Shremp. Do you think his 
> followers are members of his sect because they don't agree with him?
> 






You're avoiding answering the question.

You made a claim.

The claim you made turns out to be that members of this organisation believe in 
having children kill their own parents.

I then asked if you truly believed that members subscribed to this.

And you can't answer.







> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ~~ The Fellowship Foundation or "The Family" and "C Street" Exposed ~~
> > > 
> > > Excerpts:
> > > 
> > > ...The founder believed that god gave him a new revelation saying that 
> > > Christianity had gotten it wrong for two thousand years and that what 
> > > most people think of as Christianity, as being about, helping the weak 
> > > and the poor and the meek and the down and out, he believes god came to 
> > > him one night in April in 1935 and said what Christianity should really 
> > > be about is building more power for the already powerful. 
> > > 
> > > And that these powerful men who were chosen by god can then if they want 
> > > to dispense blessings to the rest of us, through a kind of trickle-down 
> > > fundamentalism."
> > > 
> > > ...In public, they host Prayer Breakfasts; in private, they preach a 
> > > gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. 
> > > 
> > > Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao as leadership models, the Family's current 
> > > leader, Doug Coe, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new 
> > > power where we can't." 
> > > 
> > > Coe once stated, "Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and 
> > > father. But it wasn't murder. It was for building the new nation. The new 
> > > kingdom."
> > > 
> > > According to the Washington Post...the Fellowship Foundation is itself 
> > > linked to an even more secretive religious organization — Youth With a 
> > > Mission (YWAM), whose Washington, DC branch owns the "C Street House." 
> > > 
> > > "YWAM founder leader Loren Cunningham has publicly outlined a vision for 
> > > Christian world-control," which involves establishing domination over 
> > > government, education, business, the media, and other areas.
> > > 
> > > Full article here: http://snipurl.com/o8qps 
> > > 
> > > http://geniusofinsanityworld.blogspot.com/2009/07/fellowship-foundation-or-family-and-c.html
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.
>
Yeah, Hagelin can't hold a candle to Fred Lenz!

At age 48, Lenz took an overdose of Valium and jumped into 
a lake. His body was found two days later with a dog collar 
around his neck.

John Hagelin was honored with a Kilby International Award 
for his work in particle physics leading to the development 
of super-string grand unified field theories.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It appears that he 
> > got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> >
> John's problem is that he never strays outside his comfort zone. He only ever 
> gives talks to non-physicists who don't know anything much about the subject 
> matter. If he had the courage to make some presentations at physics 
> conferences (if they'd accept his abstracts), then they'd rip him to pieces 
> and he'd have to start >thinking deeply about how to defend his ideas.

A bit like Satyendra Nath Bose was "ripped into pieces"?  :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.
> > It appears that he got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> >
> John's problem is that he never strays outside his
> comfort zone. He only ever gives talks to non-physicists
> who don't know anything much about the subject matter.

FWIW, what he's saying in this clip isn't some weird
idea he dreamed up himself. The quantum foam concept
came from John Wheeler back in the 1950s. The notion
that the bubbles give birth to universes was proposed
by physicist Andrei Linde in the 1990s. It's one of
several competing approaches in the field of 
theoretical physics. In that exotic context, it's
mainstream.

It isn't Hagelin's physics that physicists have a 
problem with; it's the connections he makes to 
consciousness and the Vedic literature.

On the other hand, there's a bunch of highly
credentialed (non-TM) physicists who are convinced
there are very strong connections to be made between
physics principles and consciousness. That's not
mainstream yet, but it's getting there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow: Secret 'C' Street Christianist sect goes global

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The fact that Inhofe belongs to that crackpot 'C' Street group that 
> > > > emulates Hitler and Mao's methods of rule instead of democracy speaks 
> > > > for itself about that nutbag Inhofe.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Which of Hitler's and Mao's methods of rule does "C" Street group emulate?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So, according to what you reproduce below, having kids kill their own parents 
> is one of Mao's methods that the "C" Street group will emulate.
> 
> I see.
> 
> And do you personally believe that, John, that these elected Senators 
> subscribe to that method?
> 



Their current leader makes his points quite clearly, Shremp. Do you think his 
followers are members of his sect because they don't agree with him?





> 
> 
> 
> 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > ~~ The Fellowship Foundation or "The Family" and "C Street" Exposed ~~
> > 
> > Excerpts:
> > 
> > ...The founder believed that god gave him a new revelation saying that 
> > Christianity had gotten it wrong for two thousand years and that what most 
> > people think of as Christianity, as being about, helping the weak and the 
> > poor and the meek and the down and out, he believes god came to him one 
> > night in April in 1935 and said what Christianity should really be about is 
> > building more power for the already powerful. 
> > 
> > And that these powerful men who were chosen by god can then if they want to 
> > dispense blessings to the rest of us, through a kind of trickle-down 
> > fundamentalism."
> > 
> > ...In public, they host Prayer Breakfasts; in private, they preach a gospel 
> > of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. 
> > 
> > Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao as leadership models, the Family's current 
> > leader, Doug Coe, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new 
> > power where we can't." 
> > 
> > Coe once stated, "Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and 
> > father. But it wasn't murder. It was for building the new nation. The new 
> > kingdom."
> > 
> > According to the Washington Post...the Fellowship Foundation is itself 
> > linked to an even more secretive religious organization — Youth With a 
> > Mission (YWAM), whose Washington, DC branch owns the "C Street House." 
> > 
> > "YWAM founder leader Loren Cunningham has publicly outlined a vision for 
> > Christian world-control," which involves establishing domination over 
> > government, education, business, the media, and other areas.
> > 
> > Full article here: http://snipurl.com/o8qps 
> > 
> > http://geniusofinsanityworld.blogspot.com/2009/07/fellowship-foundation-or-family-and-c.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow: Secret 'C' Street Christianist sect goes global

[WillyTex]

do.rflex wrote:
> You can read the whole article here:
>
Funded by the likes of George Soros...

You can read the whole article here:

'Left-Wing Website With Direct Ties To White House Smears Alex Jones'
Prison Planet:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow: Secret 'C' Street Christianist sect goes global

[WillyTex]

> > Secret  'C'  Street  Christianist sect 
> > goes global...
> >
wayback wrote:
> There is a book out called The Family...
> >
Oh yeah, and some members and ringleaders
of a Hindu cult, one that led at least three 
wives out of the desert of Utah, to join
a sect down in Brazil, a coffee-clatch no 
less. My Gawd, a 'Prayer Breakfast' out on
the Washington D.C. Mall. 

This is just totally outrageous

LOL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It 
> > appears that he got this idea from the vedic literatures.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
> 
> John's problem is that he never strays outside his comfort 
> zone. He only ever gives talks to non-physicists who don't 
> know anything much about the subject matter. If he had the 
> courage to make some presentations at physics conferences 
> (if they'd accept his abstracts), then they'd rip him to 
> pieces and he'd have to start thinking deeply about how 
> to defend his ideas. Because no one ever questions him, 
> then he never has to think, and because he never has to 
> think then he just goes round and round on an endless loop 
> of new-age TMO happy clappy speak. 


Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature.

[FairfieldLife] product of oragnic food consumption

[Mike Dixon]

---


From: Raisor, Michelle Jeanette 
Subject: Fwd: Pelosi's daughter
To: "mike dixon (new) " , "jennifer" 
, "lourdes fernandez" , 
"Joleen Davis" , "cameliaesetters" 
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:22 PM





This is too painful to watch. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OaBS_q9TA 




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Organic no healthier: study

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > Organic food is no healthier, study finds
> > 
> 
> ***
> 
> The basis for choosing organic food is to avoid pesticide/herbicide 
> contamination of one's food and the environment. I'm not sure why anybody 
> (except for nonorganic farming industry) would choose to make such a narrow 
> claim that seems obvious without doing this big meta-analysis: nutritional 
> value of food remains the same whether you soak it in pesticides/herbicides 
> or not -- amazing! A relevant study would have been to find out if organic 
> consumers lower their cancer etc risk when compared to nonorganic consumers.




Why would you assume that consuming organics would LOWER cancer risks?

If eating non-organics means consuming more pesticides and herbicides wouldn't 
that be more akin to chemotherapy?

Eating non-organics may ward off cancer.  I mean, who knows?







> 
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3076638/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:29pm EDT  
> > 
> > 
> > (Reuters) - Organic food has no nutritional or health benefits over 
> > ordinary food, according to a major study published Wednesday.
> > 
> > Researchers from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine said 
> > consumers were paying higher prices for organic food because of its 
> > perceived health benefits, creating a global organic market worth an 
> > estimated $48 billion in 2007.
> > 
> > A systematic review of 162 scientific papers published in the scientific 
> > literature over the last 50 years, however, found there was no significant 
> > difference.
> > 
> > "A small number of differences in nutrient content were found to exist 
> > between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs, but these are 
> > unlikely to be of any public health relevance," said Alan Dangour, one of 
> > the report's authors.
> > 
> > "Our review indicates that there is currently no evidence to support the 
> > selection of organically over conventionally produced foods on the basis of 
> > nutritional superiority."
> > 
> > The results of research, which was commissioned by the British government's 
> > Food Standards Agency, were published in the American Journal of Clinical 
> > Nutrition.
> > 
> > Sales of organic food have fallen in some markets, including Britain, as 
> > recession has led consumers to cut back on purchases.
> > 
> > The Soil Association said in April that growth in sales of organic products 
> > in Britain slowed to just 1.7 percent in 2008, well below the average 
> > annual growth rate of 26 percent over the last decade, following a plunge 
> > in demand at the end of the year.
> > 
> > (Reporting by Ben Hirschler; editing by Simon Jessop)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[guyfawkes91]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> To All:
> 
> Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It appears that he got 
> this idea from the vedic literatures.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
>
John's problem is that he never strays outside his comfort zone. He only ever 
gives talks to non-physicists who don't know anything much about the subject 
matter. If he had the courage to make some presentations at physics conferences 
(if they'd accept his abstracts), then they'd rip him to pieces and he'd have 
to start thinking deeply about how to defend his ideas. Because no one ever 
questions him, then he never has to think, and because he never has to think 
then he just goes round and round on an endless loop of new-age TMO happy 
clappy speak. 

He's a bright guy, if he ever gets into a situation where he has to do some 
deep thinking he might get somewhere. But endless repetitions of flawed 
arguments to zombie audiences isn't going to get him there.

I actually wonder if the renewed intensity of him making recordings of his 
lectures isn't due to some deep seated awareness that he's got things wrong and 
that he's trying to reconcile the cognitive dissonance by getting frantic about 
making people believe him. (cf "When prophecies fail" look it up). 

For a physicist the cognitive dissonance of believing in the ME and at the same 
time knowing that if the ME was real it would have to violate the principle of 
energy conservation must be pretty severe. I guess it helps him to stop 
thinking about it by standing up and talking to zombified audiences who just 
nod appreciatively and say "this is such beautiful knowledge". He could almost 
convince himself he's right, until he gets a pencil and paper out and does some 
calculating. 

It'll be interesting to see how he handles whatever results come out of CERN in 
the next few years.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindsight, cutting edge meditation research

[Vaj]

On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> Typically vipashyana but it ranges from vipashyana (insight
> meditation) to shamatha (samadhi meditation) to nondual 'resting in
> the natural state' or the union of vipashyana and shamatha. Roughly
> speaking, you can divide these into two styles: Open Presence
> meditation or Fixed Attention meditation.

That is interesting. Is there anyone teaching a middle way between  
these two?


It's not usual for both or all of these to be taught, and of course  
once one knows how to gauge their own practice and their own  
consciousness, they can also regulate what practice is most  
appropriate for their condition and level of integration.



Like combining the mindful with open presence transcending.


Well of course you can transcend with eyes open, but typically  
meditation working with the calm / transcendent state is more  
introspective, at least in the beginning. A typical sequence might be  
introspective, transcending style meditation for a couple of months  
segueing into vipashyana, eyes somewhat open, then the union of the  
two eventually leading to a nondual "pointing out" by the teacher,  
and then nondual meditation from there, often eyes fully open.


Sort of like mindful technique of Patanjali in practice, just may  
be not that nomenclature. Is there a secular version being taught  
in the middle way of both orthodox Eastern meditation practices;  
between Buddhist mindfulness-insight practices on the one hand and  
TM type transcending on the other. (?)


TM is a basic form of shamatha meditation. There are literally  
hundreds of different types of shamatha.


Yes, both orthodoxy are known to go crazy in the comparison with  
the other. However, is there anything formulating like the TMSP  
practiced out of Patanjali in a form like a mindfulness  
transcending. Anybody incorporating the two descriptions in  
teaching a technique? Mindfulness with transcending?


In practice is possibly how Hagelin, Travis, Siegel, and even Herb  
Bensen can talk the similar inter disciplinary research points and  
get to the same policy place in their thinking. Are some of these  
techniques in the middle effectively the same but with different  
clothing from the proprietary ones of orthodoxy on either side?


I think the idea of "proprietary" meditation techniques is an idea  
that has more to do with commercial forms of meditation than it does  
traditional meditation forms. Sure, certain schools may use certain  
advanced techniques as a hallmark, e.g. Tummo or Heat yoga is some  
Tibetan schools, but their basic meditation techniques are less  
concerned with anything proprietary or exclusive or "the one".  
Personal meditation instruction is more about the person and less  
about the technique; 'the right tool for the right job' rather than  
'one tool fits all'.

[FairfieldLife] Fun Break -- videos from FunnyOrDie.com

[TurquoiseB]

Designed to make normal, happy, well-adjusted people
laugh, and uptight people more uptight. You'll know
which you are by how you react:

The Gaythering Storm -- hilarious sendup of the real 
"Gathering Storm" anti gay marriage TV ads:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6eddb255b2/a-gaythering-storm

Denise Richards' Funbags -- liven up your next party
with a pair of these:
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Enjoy. Or not, depending...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> To All:
> 
> Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.  It appears that he got 
> this idea from the vedic literatures.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk
>

Cool. It's the bubble diagram revisited. John goes back to basics, the bubble 
diagram, and boils it all down, explaining complex concepts, simply and 
elegantly. The beauty of the bubble diagram is that it makes transcending, an 
abstract concept, more concrete without over intellectualizing the TM 
experience, a simple, natural, innocent process. Maharishi did his best to keep 
it simple, knowing that it is just about impossible for some folks to do. After 
all, how could anything so simple be any good? The over-thinker thinks, "This 
is TOO simple, let's add some bells and whistles to make it more interesting!" 
And, so go the lemmings, over the cliff. Tying one's intellect into knots over 
such a simple process is counterproductive. KISS. IMO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindsight, cutting edge meditation research

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> Typically vipashyana but it ranges from vipashyana (insight  
> meditation) to shamatha (samadhi meditation) to nondual 'resting in  
> the natural state' or the union of vipashyana and shamatha. Roughly  
> speaking, you can divide these into two styles: Open Presence  
> meditation or Fixed Attention meditation.

That is interesting.  Is there anyone teaching a middle way between these two?  

Like combining the mindful with open presence transcending.  Sort of like 
mindful technique of Patanjali in practice, just may be not that nomenclature.  
Is there a secular version being taught in the middle way of both orthodox 
Eastern meditation practices; between Buddhist mindfulness-insight practices on 
the one hand and  TM type transcending on the other. (?)

Yes, both orthodoxy  are known to go crazy in the comparison with the other.  
However, is there anything formulating like the TMSP practiced out of Patanjali 
in a form like a mindfulness transcending.   Anybody incorporating the two 
descriptions in teaching a technique?  Mindfulness with transcending?  

In practice is possibly how Hagelin, Travis, Siegel, and even Herb Bensen can  
talk the similar inter disciplinary research points and get to the same policy 
place in their thinking.  Are some of these techniques in the middle 
effectively the same but with different clothing from the proprietary ones of 
orthodoxy on either side?

Just wondering,

-Doug in FF

> 
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:04 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr4Od7kqDT8
> > >
> > > Dr. Dan Siegel, MD, father of modern attachment psychiatry and
> > > meditation researcher on Google Tech Talks Personal Growth Series
> > > speaks on Mindsight, the new science of personal transformation.
> > >
> >
> > Of the different settings that are using these techniques that they  
> > are studying, who teaches the techniques?
> 
> Depends on who's doing the research and where. Sometimes it's monks,  
> sometimes it might be a Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction instructor  
> (MBSR), etc.
> 
> > What is the array of techniques and who are they taught?
> 
> Typically vipashyana but it ranges from vipashyana (insight  
> meditation) to shamatha (samadhi meditation) to nondual 'resting in  
> the natural state' or the union of vipashyana and shamatha. Roughly  
> speaking, you can divide these into two styles: Open Presence  
> meditation or Fixed Attention meditation.
> 
> > Led group meditations? Lay instructors, therapist ounselors, bring  
> > in non-secular ordained or certified people,, classroom teachers  
> > otherwise, or health clinic staffs like who teach the various  
> > techniques that are like TM. Individual instruction, classroom  
> > instruction? Learned and practiced by led meditations? ala quiet  
> > time meditations structured in to the work or school days. Sounds  
> > like Siegel is following a number to settings and finding similar  
> > results.
> >
> > Just wondering.
> 
> 
> It's typically going to be some senior practitioner who instructs in  
> meditation practice. Some practice in groups, some practice primarily  
> alone, some do group setting and alone.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> To All:
>
> Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin.
> It appears that he got this idea from the vedic literatures.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk



John Hagelin -- the physicist so brilliant that the only
place he can publish is YouTube.  :-)
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