[FairfieldLife] How the healthcare bill may INCREASE the number of uninsured.

[ShempMcGurk]

How Obamacare Will Hurt Young People – by Dick Morris
 
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A detailed analysis of the Obama health care program now before the
Senate indicates that it will force big premium increases for all
families  , especially for those
under 30 years of age.

The study  , by the consulting firm
of Oliver Wyman, concludes that premiums for individuals will rise by
$1,576 and $3,341 for families by under the bill. Young people will be
hit the hardest. The study predicted that premiums for new health
insurance policies purchased by the youngest third of the population
would rise by 35 percent under the bill.

These increases will stem from the bill's provisions that bar
  insurance companies from raising
rates on sick people and from excluding people based on pre-existing
conditions. Both of these mandates will mean higher costs for the
younger and healthier population. This bill is, in effect, a tax on the
young.

Nor will subsidies do much to mitigate the impact. To get a subsidy
under the bill, you have to earn less than about $80,000 a year
(combined household income) and have spent between 2 percent and 10
percent of your income on premiums 
.

So a couple making a combined income of $40,000 would have to pay about
5 percent of their income, $2,000, before they could get subsidies.
Those making $60,000 would have to pay about 8 percent of their income
— $4,800 – before they could get a subsidy.

And those making $80,000 would have to chip in 10 percent of their
income — $8,000 — before they would get a subsidy.

These are hefty bills for young families to bear.

So most won't do it. The fine for failing to have health insurance
[http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] 
  is only $750. So most young people
will just pay the fine and be done with it. When they get sick,
they'll get covered and the insurance company can't charge them
a higher premium than it would have charged when they were healthy. And
it can't turn them away.

So this bill is not a measure for full national health insurance
coverage. At best, it's a bill that will insure you when you are
sick and make the rest of us pay the bill. And, in the meantime,
you'll have to chip in $750 a year for the privilege.

Employers, too, will find it much cheaper to pay the $750 per employee
than to buy insurance.

Ironically, there is a good chance that this bill will actually increase
the number of uninsured. Its ban on letting insurers raise rates on sick
people will force premiums so high that many people will drop their
insurance. After all, when they get sick, they can and will easily get
their insurance back.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[ShempMcGurk]

What surprised me was that I heard on ABC's "This Week" that Long Term Care 
insurance is part of the package and that it will be mandatory to get this type 
of insurance as well.

Boy, I don't know how they are going to manage that!  Even Canada doesn't have 
socialized long term care.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Of course they'll go up! You  will have to pay the insurance companies to 
> take care of people they didn't have to take care of before. We can all 
> help pay the medical burden of alcholics, smokers, people not practicing safe 
> sex, morbidly obese, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: gullible fool 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:38:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
> 
>   
> 
> It's already mandatory here in Massachusetts.
>  
> Insurance companies on this state have not been able to deny coverage to 
> anyone for well over a decade...premiums went way up when that was legislated.
>      "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no 
> `you,' only love." 
>  
> - Amma  
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, BillyG  wrote:
> 
> 
> >From: BillyG 
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
> >To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> >Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:11 PM
> >
> >
> >"Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
> >children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on 
> >denial of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 
> >2014, a disappointment for consumer advocates."
> >
> >Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
> >with it, now you MUST have insurance!!  I wonder how this is going to play 
> >out..?
> >
> >
> >
> > - - --
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@...  wrote:
>
> As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, 
> some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really 
> scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly 
> had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more unpleasant 
> memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in 
> general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another 
> school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. 
> The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes 
> me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student 
> can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few 
> people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone 
> who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something 
> wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the 
> tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If 
> TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing 
> wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other 
> students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I was tought that 
> there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very 
> judgmental of any "non-meditators." My parents, though still in the TMO, have 
> become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they 
> respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising 
> and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold.


This is where the TMO really screws up.

It's a great technique but it isn't a magic pill, yet it is sold like that and, 
of course, it creates false expectations.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@...  wrote:
>
> All I know is that he was not the right person to be head of MSAE and almost 
> everyone felt that way. There was a major disconnect between him and the 
> student/parents. I have no doubt that he had good intentions, he simply 
> wasn't tuned in and therefore came across as a bumbling idiot despite his 
> intelligence in other areas. 
>

Om Well, it is doing better.  Evidently he got kicked upstairs the disconnect 
got so bad.  He got removed by sending him out to lecture and present about 
consciousness-based education/ MSAE.  & as a traveling consultant/expert to 
MSAE schools starting elsewhere.  

That allowed the school here to bring in real educators in his place to run the 
school. Was in near collapse but is going better now.   But not well.  The 
disconnect problem still exists in the few non-professional ideologue types 
leftover in the school.  President office types, sort of like Bush 
administration appointees put in to jobs because of their party loyalty more 
than ability or real or real credentialed professionalism.  
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up 
> > > in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't 
> > > practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings 
> > > about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm 
> > > just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always 
> > > thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact 
> > > that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my 
> > > mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents 
> > > felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some 
> > > positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed 
> > > have carried over to MSAE.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he 
> > was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most 
> > successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything 
> > spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the 
> > confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the "real world".  
> > He outshined everyone in the real world.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Failure was the plan

[raunchydog]

"Many of the posts and comments urging progressives to support the
health care reform bill are based on a false premise. When you remove
that false premise you realize that all the arguments for passing this
horrible bill are bogus...
The current argument among progressives is whether or not they should
support a horrible bill...
That false premise is the idea that Obama and the Democratic leadership
actually support health care reform, but the Republicans and the Blue
Dogs have joined forces with the lobbyists to obstruct them.
Obama and the Democratic leadership DO NOT support health care reform...
They aren't opposed on ideological grounds or because they want to
see people suffer, it's just a simple conflict of interest.  There
is no financial incentive for them to reform our nations health care
system, but obstructing and opposing reform is very lucrative."
Failure was the plan

Posted on December 20, 2009 by myiq2xu
This health care reform clusterfuck was not an accident, it was
planned...

Their primary goal is returning this country to the golden age that
existed before the New Deal.  No unions, no  government social spending,
and no regulation of banks and business.  Because this country is still
officially a democratic republic we still have elections, but the
corporatists have been successful at rigging the outcomes in their
favor.

With the exception of the Big Dawg in 1992 and 1996 I watched
Republicans run rough-shod over Democrats for decades...

I used to get frustrated watching the Democrats get outmaneuvered
tactically and many times I shook my head in disgust as they made
concession after concession. The worst part was when they surrendered
without a fight...


But when Nancy Pelosi took over as Speaker of the House one of the first
things she did was declare that impeachment was off the table. I
couldn't understand why the Democrats did nothing to stop the war or
end the lawless behavior of the Bush administration...


Then one day the light came on in my head. It was about the time that
Alberto Gonzales was telling the Senate he couldn't remember a
single thing about his job as Attorney General... There was ample
evidence to justify a special prosecutor or the appointment of a special
committee to investigate.  But all the Democrats did was make a little
noise and then drop it.

That's when I realized they didn't want to win...  The Democrats
would say the right things, but when it came time to vote they let the
Republicans win.  They would make speeches scolding bankers and then
turn around and deregulate Wall Street.  They pretend to be on our side,
but their loyalty goes to the big money special interests.

The Democratic leadership has gone over to the enemy, and that includes
Obama, Pelosi and Reid.  Why would they do something like that?... 
"follow the money." That is where the truth is.

Last year what party and which candidate got the most money from Big
Pharma and the health insurance companies?  I'll give you a hint
– it was the same party and candidate that got all the Wall Street
money.  They gave him millions back in 2007 when he was a rookie Senator
to start his campaign  and they spent  lots more buying him the
nomination.

You didn't really think all those career Democrat politicians in
Washington suddenly got starry eyes and tingly legs just because they
heard Obama make a speech did you?  The party insiders helped Obama
because Obama had rich and powerful friends that asked them to help
Obama.  The same thing goes for the media.  Early on Obama was getting
more media attention than he deserved, and it was mostly positive.

After decades in Washington shilling for the special interests Senators
Joe Biden and Chris Dodd could barely raise enough money to compete in
Iowa.  Even though they were both regulars on Sunday morning news shows
their campaigns got little attention.  Richardson, Vilsack, Kucinich and
Gravel were even worse off.  During 2007 the six of them combined raised
about $25 million.  Obama raised that much in the first quarter of the
year.

They took a light-weight politician with virtually no accomplishments
and hired David Axelrod to turn him into Candidate Obama.  He was nearly
perfect for them, an unscrupulous man with no core beliefs except his
own ambition.  Best of all from their point of view, Obama doesn't
have the strength of character to defy authority...

People think that after he took office Obama made secret deal with Big
Pharma and the health insurance companies. That's not true.  There
might have been some specific details to discuss but the basic outline
of the deal was made when Obama sold them his soul in exchange for being
President.

Despite his promise to consider all the options Obama made sure single
payer got buried. Max Baucus helped him in the Senate and the A-list
progressive bloggers cooperated to keep the subject taboo on the front
pages of their blogs.

T

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sad News for Shemp

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:

> Anyway, I'll bet that's what happened to Murphy.  If you
> remember her from her memorable roles in both "Clueless"
> and "Freeway" she was quite pudgy.  And then all of a
> sudden she reappeared on the scene as thin as a rake.  So
> I suspect a regiment of binging, throwing up, and massive
> weight gains resulting in anorexia led to complications
> that produced the heart attack.
> 
> Just a wild guess from a non-medical professional.  We
> shall see.

The one photo I saw of her must have been recent, because
she was quite thin, bones sticking out. I know nothing
about her, but anorexia was my first thought.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sad News for Shemp

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> One of his favorite actresses had died at a way too early age:
> 
> Brittany Murphy, the actress who got her start in the sleeper hit 
> "Clueless" and rose to stardom in "8 Mile," died Sunday in Los Angeles. 
> She was 32.
> 
> More here:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34500671/ns/entertainment-celebrities/
>


That truly is sad.  She was a great actress.  I only hope that they filmed "Sin 
City 2" so she had a chance to reprise her role.

And now for a prediction.  The article says she died of a heart attack.  Well, 
if you recall, that's the same thing that happened to Karen Carpenter, the 
singer, who died at age 33 back in the '80s. But her heart attack was from 
complications from anorexia and, if I remember correctly, because she gained 
weight back too quickly from her incredibly thin weight that it became a strain 
on her heart (or perhaps it was the up-and-down see-sawing of weight loss and 
gain that created the strain?).

Anyway, I'll bet that's what happened to Murphy.  If you remember her from her 
memorable roles in both "Clueless" and "Freeway" she was quite pudgy.  And then 
all of a sudden she reappeared on the scene as thin as a rake.  So I suspect a 
regiment of binging, throwing up, and massive weight gains resulting in 
anorexia led to complications that produced the heart attack.

Just a wild guess from a non-medical professional.  We shall see.

[FairfieldLife] Oath taken by TMO teachers re; mantras

[yifuxero]

Published for the first time, the entire oath of allegiance made by TMO 
teachers.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/HitlerOath.mpg

[FairfieldLife] neat lecture by Bevan, Hagelin, and King Tony

[yifuxero]

neat lecture by 3 TMO persons on UTube.  Check it out!
.
http://kristinag.com/2009/12/08/robotic-singing-heads-a-la-futurama/
 

[FairfieldLife] Japanese war tubas

[yifuxero]

For listening to the enemy
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/pc/mystery-789234.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Truth about Betty Boop

[yifuxero]

http://michaelpaulus.com/artwork/423836_Betty_Boop.html

[FairfieldLife] Sad News for Shemp

[Bhairitu]

One of his favorite actresses had died at a way too early age:

Brittany Murphy, the actress who got her start in the sleeper hit 
"Clueless" and rose to stardom in "8 Mile," died Sunday in Los Angeles. 
She was 32.

More here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34500671/ns/entertainment-celebrities/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[yifuxero]

rightbasically a high-tech version of:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1638307584/tt0099348

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Don't get me wrong, I liked the film and would recommend it to anybody. I 
> just found it *predictable* as if Cameron's favorite movies were Star Wars 
> and Dances With Wolves.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:55:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar
> 
>   
> Vaj wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American 
> >> Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more 
> >> intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the 
> >> Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals!
> >> 
> >
> > I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was 
> > responding more to "predictable" as a negative comment in terms of it being 
> > a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative- Republican corporate 
> > war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans.
> >
> > What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi 
> > embrace "tree-hugger crap" and that what was necessary was a "shock and awe 
> > campaign" of "pre-emptive action," as he "fights terrorists with terror"?
> > 
> 
> The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't 
> big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on 
> story. So far no one has said it will win a golden globe. I saw "2012" 
> but Emmerich is humble compared to Cameron. I'll have to check to see 
> if the schools are out all this week. If not I may go check it out 
> otherwise I'll skip it until school is back in session if I still chose 
> to go. BTW, 3D digital performances are as good the last day it is 
> shown as the first because there is no film to scratch. That is unless 
> some dumbshit kid hasn't thrown his drink at the screen and the theater 
> hasn't cleaned it properly (or replaced it in some cases).
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Mike Dixon]

Don't get me wrong, I liked the film and would recommend it to anybody. I just 
found it *predictable* as if Cameron's favorite movies were Star Wars and 
Dances With Wolves.





From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:55:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

  
Vaj wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
> 
>> Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American 
>> Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more 
>> intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the 
>> Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals!
>> 
>
> I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding 
> more to "predictable" as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green 
> planetary culture vs. a more Conservative- Republican corporate war machine: 
> Hollywood libs diss Republicans.
>
> What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi 
> embrace "tree-hugger crap" and that what was necessary was a "shock and awe 
> campaign" of "pre-emptive action," as he "fights terrorists with terror"?
> 

The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't 
big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on 
story. So far no one has said it will win a golden globe. I saw "2012" 
but Emmerich is humble compared to Cameron. I'll have to check to see 
if the schools are out all this week. If not I may go check it out 
otherwise I'll skip it until school is back in session if I still chose 
to go. BTW, 3D digital performances are as good the last day it is 
shown as the first because there is no film to scratch. That is unless 
some dumbshit kid hasn't thrown his drink at the screen and the theater 
hasn't cleaned it properly (or replaced it in some cases).





  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
> An interesting aside, at the beginning of the previews where you're told to 
> put on your 3D glasses, the theatre I saw it at opened with a 3D advert. by 
> the US Air Force. It was very clearly targeted at kids and teens. The tagline 
> is "It's not science fiction: it's what we do every day; it's the United 
> States Air Force." The hidden tagline is 'if you like video games and Sci-fi, 
> you'll just love killing people with us, you've never have to see the blood. 
> Sign up now!'
>
> I'm finding all movies for the last several years have cheesy military 
> advertisements in with the previews. This was the first 3D one.
>   

Depends on the theater.  The one nearby doesn't show ads just movie 
trailers.  The CineMark chain OTOH has way too many ads IMO including 
military ads.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Mike Dixon]

I guess it was more predictable than I imagined, but writing a story line with 
a statement like Col.Quaritch's comment is typical for Hollywood where everyone 
trips over themselves trying to prove they are more *sensitive and 
compassionate* than anybody else. I guess it's a guilt trip for playing 
*pretend* for a living.





From: Vaj 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:44:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

  


On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian 
all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace 
loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox 
infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals!

I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding 
more to "predictable" as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green 
planetary culture vs. a more Conservative- Republican corporate war machine: 
Hollywood libs diss Republicans.

What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi 
embrace "tree-hugger crap" and that what was necessary was a "shock and awe 
campaign" of "pre-emptive action," as he "fights terrorists with terror"?



  

[FairfieldLife] Levitator Fr. Paul of Moll (1824-1896),

[yifuxero]

"Father Paul of Moll, Benedictine Wonder-Worker", TAN Publishers - republished 
from first ed. of 1910, by Edward van Speybrouck, p. 154.:

Case #1:
"After that I knelt down at the railing while the Rev. Father prepared to give 
me Holy Communion.  Suddently I perceived a perfume so delicious that I was 
quite distracted by it.  I imagined that one of the lay-brothers must have 
brought a bouquet of flowers.  I raised my eyes and to my great astonishment, I 
saw Father Moll standing before me in ecstasy, raised a considerable distance 
above the ground, and holding the sacred host.  I cannot tell exactly how long 
he continued in this attitude, but I think it was at least five minutes.  I 
would be impossible for me to discribe how attractive the countenance and 
attitude of the Rev. Father appeared, and the atmosphere was scented with the 
most delicious perfume of roses and other flowers, such as I had never before 
experienced."
.
Case #2:, page 156: 
"A person from Ghent reports that sometimes she saw Father Paul riased above 
the ground.  He would first distract her attention elsewhere, saying for 
example, "Just look at those beautiful pigions in the garden!".  But when she 
turned around, after having looked at the pigeons, she would see the Rev. 
Father raised a few feet above the ground absorbed in an ecstasy which lasted 
about ten minutes"
.
Case #3, page 156:
"A young lady from Ghent paid a visit to Father Paul in 1889.  In the course of 
the conversation he suddently stopped and exclaimed, "For the love of Jesus!" 
and is if swapt in ecstasy, he was raised about three feet above his chair and 
remained thus eight or ten minutes; then he slowly descended upon his chair and 
resumed the conversation".
.
another miracle...
Case #4, page 157
"Another time, being at the church of the Benedictines in Termonde, and seeing 
there how the Rev. Father Paul gave to the people a relic to kiss, I saw to my 
great astonishment, a shining aureole surrounding his head".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh ok, my bad.
> > > > (sounds awful though --  like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a
Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin
policies and some taken from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and Neocon way of
thinking--will make you say things like Mike said.>>
> >
> > Well that shouldn't be a problem for me, seeing as how I was the
first on FFL to support Obama.
> >
> > < It was a very "tantric" movie in that it dealt well with
inter-dimensional congress>>
> >
> > Several times angelic-like females have descended and made love to
me in my sleep. Not joking. Its as real as it gets. The movie will not
capture that. The feeling stays with you for days, weeks, and even for a
lifetime you can recall it and it comes back. Very humbling feeling
mixed with sweet love.
> >
> Yes, but does she let you see the children?>>

Children are for mortal humans  like yourself for example. The rest
of the universe does not indulge in that practice.

OffWorld

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[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , therewillbeli...@...
 wrote:
>
> As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous
teachers, some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The
only really scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired
because he allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I
have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was
not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would
have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and
emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in
many ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as
being an ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is
complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold.
They were clueless about how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the
mold. We were made to believe that there was something wrong with us. I
remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the tescher talking
about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If TM could
cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing
wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several
other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured?>>

I don't understand, what did you need to be cured of?

OffWorld



  I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I
was younger I was very judgmental of any "non-meditators." My parents,
though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in recent
years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for
MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better
accomodate people who don't fit their mold.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "lurkernomore20002000"
 wrote:
> >
> > Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and
neagtives in that preschool through 12 experience.  Glimpses we have in
the past range from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged. 
Care to share?  Thanks.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , therewillbelight@ 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I
grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I
haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed
feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from
ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left.
I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to
the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it
with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said
the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have
been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those
changed have carried over to MSAE.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "lurkernomore20002000"
 wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
> wrote:
>
> I have seen this happen with other things Maharishi
> > implemented, and I find myself ranting with a friend about the
> craziness
> > of something but then end up concluding that, in fact, it was the
best
> > thing to do,  such as?>>

Like when he collected the "High Heap of Hazards" of modern medicine 
and made a pile out of them. Like when he said that democracy is a sham,
like when he said that the UK and US were dealing too much in arms and
that that was very dangerous to the world, like when he said Capitalism
will fall, like when he practically ignored 9/11 and went on as if it
never happened, like when he tore down all the non-Stapatya Ved
buildings at MUM and replaced them, like when he told John Fagan to get
out of genetics research, and John Hagelin to forget about physics, like
when he raised vast sums of money from the West and then spent it in
India, like when he said science will glimpse the Age of Enlightenment,
and so and so on.

All of these were unclear at first, but make total sense now.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[Vaj]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 5:56 PM, therewillbeli...@ymail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion. I am in therapy and I find it quite helpful. :)


This website may help you. They've helped hundreds of people such as yourself. 
Here are the references to the MSAE:

http://tmfree.blogspot.com/search?q=MSAE

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[therewillbelight]

Thanks for the suggestion. I am in therapy and I find it quite helpful. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  One thing you may want to consider is a support 
> group, or individual therapy or both.  Talking through issues, and sharing 
> them with others with similiar experiences can really help in sorting stuff 
> out.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@  wrote:
> >
> > As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, 
> > some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really 
> > scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he 
> > allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more 
> > unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy 
> > child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier 
> > at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during 
> > high school. The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. 
> > It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and 
> > that every student can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's 
> > ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how 
> > to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that 
> > there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade 
> > SCI class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I 
> > burst into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these 
> > issues? What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have 
> > sex (unlike several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't 
> > I cured? I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and 
> > when I was younger I was very judgmental of any "non-meditators." My 
> > parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in 
> > recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish 
> > for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better 
> > accomodate people who don't fit their mold.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives 
> > > in that preschool through 12 experience.  Glimpses we have in the past 
> > > range from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged.  Care to 
> > > share?  Thanks.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up 
> > > > in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't 
> > > > practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings 
> > > > about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm 
> > > > just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always 
> > > > thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the 
> > > > fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with 
> > > > my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the 
> > > > parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been 
> > > > some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those 
> > > > changed have carried over to MSAE.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride"
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you required by the government to buy auto insurance Mr Dixon?
> > >
> > > If so, why do you think that is, eh?
> > >
> >
> > None of us are required to buy auto insurance.  We just need to file
> > proof of financial responsibility, i.e. proof that property, both
> > private and public, and health, will be covered if there is an
> > accident.  Most large outfits self-insure.
> >
> 
> United States
> In the United States, auto insurance covering liability for injuries and
> property damage done to others is compulsory in most states, though
> enforcement of the requirement varies from state to state.  (emphasis
> added)
> 
> 
> The state of New Hampshire 
> , for example, does not require motorists to carry liability insurance
> (the ballpark model  ),
> while in Virginia   residents
> must pay the state a $500 annual fee per vehicle if they choose not to
> buy liability insurance.[8]
> 
> 
> 
> Penalties for not purchasing auto insurance vary by state, but often
> involve a substantial fine, license and/or registration suspension or
> revocation, as well as possible jail time in some states.
> 
> 
> Usually, the minimum required by law is third party insurance to protect
> third parties against the financial consequences of loss, damage or
> injury caused by a vehicle.
> 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance#United_States
>


Driving isn't a right, it's a privilege.

Plus, people can choose not to drive...and many don't.  Indeed, I would suspect 
that one reason many people don't drive is the expense, which would include 
insurance premiums.  Monthly insurance premiums is one of the most expensive if 
not (for many) the most expensive monthly cost to running a car.

Healthcare insurance under the bill, as I understand, would be mandatory for 
everyone (and I assume there would be exceptions for those that can't afford 
it).  Well, "everyone" is defined as everyone living, which one doesn't have a 
choice over.

Big difference.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for "fun": type Sanskrit in SMS-style?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.lipikaar.com/sanskrit
>

That might be a cool way to learn *some* devanaagarii!
Just type e.g. some consonant characters, and you get
the consonant + a, that is, typing for instance 't'
you get 'ta'. If you want to get mere 't' without the
inherent short a-sound, you should type 'x' after the
consonant, which adds the so called 'viraama' (almost like \ ) under
the consonant character! Have fun! ; )

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Been Thinking

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the recommendation.  Now I know what do to with
> the Barnse and Noble credit I have.

You'll most likely have better luck finding it if you
look for it under the title "The Sparrow" rather than
"The Swallow." (Barry did manage to get it right the
third time.)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> > If you like thinking about such things, Steve, I 
> > highly recommend a pair of novels by Mary Doria
> > Russell. The first is called "The Swallow" and 

> > In "The Swallow," Jesuit priests working at the

> > "The Sparrow" was Russell's first novel. It won the 

[FairfieldLife] Just for "fun": type Sanskrit in SMS-style?

[cardemaister]

http://www.lipikaar.com/sanskrit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride"
 wrote:
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
> >
> > Are you required by the government to buy auto insurance Mr Dixon?
> >
> > If so, why do you think that is, eh?
> >
>
> None of us are required to buy auto insurance.  We just need to file
> proof of financial responsibility, i.e. proof that property, both
> private and public, and health, will be covered if there is an
> accident.  Most large outfits self-insure.
>

United States
In the United States, auto insurance covering liability for injuries and
property damage done to others is compulsory in most states, though
enforcement of the requirement varies from state to state.  (emphasis
added)


The state of New Hampshire 
, for example, does not require motorists to carry liability insurance
(the ballpark model  ),
while in Virginia   residents
must pay the state a $500 annual fee per vehicle if they choose not to
buy liability insurance.[8]



Penalties for not purchasing auto insurance vary by state, but often
involve a substantial fine, license and/or registration suspension or
revocation, as well as possible jail time in some states.


Usually, the minimum required by law is third party insurance to protect
third parties against the financial consequences of loss, damage or
injury caused by a vehicle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance#United_States

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Been Thinking

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thanks for the recommendation.  Now I know what do to with the Barnse and Noble 
credit I have.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Seeing Avatar, and reading a lot recently of reports of possible
> > liquid water on other planets, had me thinking that if "intelligent"
> > life is found, then Christian missionaries would feel compelled to
> > immediately go and try to convert the inhabitants. I am not poking 
> > fun at them. But, I figure that a world view that holds that Jesus 
> > is the "Lord of the Unverse", does'nt really allow for any renegade 
> > provinces that may not have heard the "good news". I think 
> > discovered life on another planet, (if it happens) is going to be 
> > a tough one here.
> 
> If you like thinking about such things, Steve, I 
> highly recommend a pair of novels by Mary Doria
> Russell. The first is called "The Swallow" and 
> the sequel (necessary to get over the impact of
> the original) is called "Children Of God." Both
> are brilliant.
> 
> In "The Swallow," Jesuit priests working at the
> deep radio dish in Areceibo are on hand when the
> first radio communication arrives that definitely,
> no question about it, is from another species that
> does not live on Earth. They live on a planet that
> is actually reachable. So while the governments of
> the Earth are arguing about who is going to go there
> and who is going to pay for it and get the credit 
> for it, the Jesuits (phenomenally wealthy) do what
> they've always done and mount their own expedition.
> 
> Part scientists, part priests, they go to this planet
> with the best of intentions. And it turns out really,
> really, really badly. Heartbreakingly badly, shattering
> the life of the priest at the heart of it all.
> 
> It really takes the followup novel "Children Of God"
> to resolve things and make things somehow all right
> again. 
> 
> "The Sparrow" was Russell's first novel. It won the 
> Arthur C. Clarke Award, James Tiptree, Jr. Award, 
> Kurd-Laßwitz-Preis and the British Science Fiction 
> Association Award. But please don't think that these
> science fiction credentials make it lightweight on in
> any way a "genre" novel. Mary Doria Russell's favorite 
> author is the same as mine, Dorothy Dunnett. That's a 
> pretty awesome role model to feel that you have to 
> live up to in your own writing. She does.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:22 AM, therewillbeli...@ymail.com wrote:

> As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, 
> some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really 
> scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly 
> had sexual fantasies about his students.

He was fired over *fantasies*?  That's it?
Everyone has fantasies.
What he really should have been fired for
was being stupid enough to tell anyone.

> Overall I have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. 
> I was not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would 
> have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and 
> emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in many 
> ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an 
> ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is complete and 
> utter BS.

We've discussed this any number of times here,
light, and the general consensus seems to be
that the whole "ideal" thing has taken a big
beating in the last few years, with the school
currently struggling--combining different grades,
giving "deals," and even bringing in counselors--
finally!--in recognition that many students there
have problems that go beyond what they can
deal with in the classroom.  

> It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about 
> how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that 
> there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI 
> class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst 
> into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? 
> What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike 
> several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I 
> was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I was 
> younger I was very judgmental of any "non-meditators."

Ah, memories. :)

> My parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in 
> recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for 
> MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better accomodate 
> people who don't fit their mold.

False advertising or not, they're not
fooling anyone.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[It's just a ride]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, do.rflex  wrote:
>
> Are you required by the government to buy auto insurance Mr Dixon?
>
> If so, why do you think that is, eh?
>

None of us are required to buy auto insurance.  We just need to file
proof of financial responsibility, i.e. proof that property, both
private and public, and health, will be covered if there is an
accident.  Most large outfits self-insure.

[FairfieldLife] To Barry re Dexter

[Rick Archer]

I presume you finished watching it. What did you think of the ending?

[FairfieldLife] Hot tip for foodies

[Bhairitu]

I may be making a vegetarian chili or lentil soup with my crock pot for 
the family dinner.  To be ready I did a search and CD Kitchen once again 
came up a winner.  But they done something more since the last time I 
visited.  You can set the number of servings you need and it will adjust 
the recipe for that.  And their printing tool can print in varying 
formats (8x11, recipe card, etc).  Very cool.

http://www.cdkitchen.com/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[Bhairitu]

The problem is that people move in and out of employment.  That's why we 
need single player.  But this country is so enamored with capitalism 
that they can't stand the idea of driving the health insurance companies 
out of business.  You know the ones that overpay their executives while 
their insured die from being denied care?  America has become a hideous 
joke.

gullible fool wrote:
>  
> Today's Big Government is certainly no friend to business,  it sounds 
> unConstitutional to me, to require an insurance Company to carry anybody!?
>  
> I looked into insurance coverage when this was first legislated. The 
> insurance companies were not allowed to even ask what my health issues were.
>  
> It sounds like there will be subsidies for low income individuals which would 
> require taxes to go up.
>  
> The masses of unemployed can get medicaid coverage.
>
> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
> love." 
>  
> - Amma  
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[gullible fool]

 
Today's Big Government is certainly no friend to business,  it sounds 
unConstitutional to me, to require an insurance Company to carry anybody!?
 
I looked into insurance coverage when this was first legislated. The insurance 
companies were not allowed to even ask what my health issues were.
 
It sounds like there will be subsidies for low income individuals which would 
require taxes to go up.
 
The masses of unemployed can get medicaid coverage.
   
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Sun, 12/20/09, BillyG  wrote:


From: BillyG 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 3:44 AM


Today's Big Government is certainly no friend to business,  it sounds 
unConstitutional to me, to require an insurance Company to carry anybody!?

It sounds like there will be subsidies for low income individuals which would 
require taxes to go up.  I doubt they'll find a half a trillion of cuts in 
Medicare to finance this. But then, "America is a Rich Country"  Barack Obama

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> It's already mandatory here in Massachusetts.
>  
> Insurance companies on this state have not been able to deny coverage to 
> anyone for well over a decade...premiums went way up when that was legislated.
>  
> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
> love." 
>  
> - Amma  
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, BillyG  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: BillyG 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:11 PM
> 
> 
> "Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
> children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on 
> denial of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 
> 2014, a disappointment for consumer advocates."
> 
> Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
> with it, now you MUST have insurance!!  I wonder how this is going to play 
> out..?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[Bhairitu]

do.rflex wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>   
>> Supreme Court? CAn the government *make* you buy anything?
>>
>> 
>
>
>
> Are you required by the government to buy auto insurance Mr Dixon?
>
> If so, why do you think that is, eh?

Now if health insurance were only as cheap as auto insurance.  I pay 
roughly around $600 a year for auto insurance.   I wouldn't complain at 
all if that was what I paid for health insurance.  And at that I 
probably am still paying to much.  For instance a lot of insurers have 
convinced people they need more collision coverage because there are 
cars on the road that cost more than $50K.  I think that may be a 
ripoff.  If you pay more than 50K for a vehicle maybe you are the one 
who should buy additional coverage instead.

Since I turn 63 this week I got a nice little letter from my health 
insurance extortionists saying my rate will go up (about $60 a month).  
So it is time to go to their site and find a higher deductible policy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Supreme Court? CAn the government *make* you buy anything?
> 



Are you required by the government to buy auto insurance Mr Dixon?

If so, why do you think that is, eh?





> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: BillyG 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:11:53 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
> 
>   
> "Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
> children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on 
> denial of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 
> 2014, a disappointment for consumer advocates."
> 
> Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
> with it, now you MUST have insurance!! I wonder how this is going to play 
> out..?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Vaj]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Vaj wrote:

> An interesting aside, at the beginning of the previews where you're told to 
> put on your 3D glasses, the theatre I saw it at opened with a 3D advert. by 
> the US Air Force. It was very clearly targeted at kids and teens. The tagline 
> is "It's not science fiction: it's what we do every day; it's the United 
> States Air Force." The hidden tagline is 'if you like video games and Sci-fi, 
> you'll just love killing people with us, you've never have to see the blood. 
> Sign up now!'
> 
> I'm finding all movies for the last several years have cheesy military 
> advertisements in with the previews. This was the first 3D one.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123165646

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiB3vrhPDNs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Vaj]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> Vaj wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American 
> >> Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more 
> >> intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the 
> >> Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals!
> >> 
> >
> > I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was 
> > responding more to "predictable" as a negative comment in terms of it being 
> > a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative-Republican corporate 
> > war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans.
> >
> > What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi 
> > embrace "tree-hugger crap" and that what was necessary was a "shock and awe 
> > campaign" of "pre-emptive action," as he "fights terrorists with terror"?
> > 
> 
> The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't 
> big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on 
> story. 


The "story" here is largely non-verbal, as much of the story is about an 
advanced spiritual "technology", interfacing with a Brahman-like "unified 
field", which is portrayed visually and which only needs to be briefly 
described verbally.

An interesting aside, at the beginning of the previews where you're told to put 
on your 3D glasses, the theatre I saw it at opened with a 3D advert. by the US 
Air Force. It was very clearly targeted at kids and teens. The tagline is "It's 
not science fiction: it's what we do every day; it's the United States Air 
Force." The hidden tagline is 'if you like video games and Sci-fi, you'll just 
love killing people with us, you've never have to see the blood. Sign up now!'

I'm finding all movies for the last several years have cheesy military 
advertisements in with the previews. This was the first 3D one.

[FairfieldLife] Twelve Days of Christmas from Kenosha

[authfriend]

Christmas greetings from the police force of Kenosha, Wisconsin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_risJzuR2E

(After the song finishes, no need to watch the rest; it's just an endless 
series of photos of officers and staff.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
>   
>> Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American 
>> Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more 
>> intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the 
>> Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals!
>> 
>
> I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding 
> more to "predictable" as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green 
> planetary culture vs. a more Conservative-Republican corporate war machine: 
> Hollywood libs diss Republicans.
>
> What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi 
> embrace "tree-hugger crap" and that what was necessary was a "shock and awe 
> campaign" of "pre-emptive action," as he "fights terrorists with terror"?
>   

The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't 
big on this one either.  Cameron is often long on hype and short on 
story.  So far no one has said it will win a golden globe.  I saw "2012" 
but Emmerich is humble compared to Cameron.  I'll have to check to see 
if the schools are out all this week.  If not I may go check it out 
otherwise I'll skip it until school is back in session if I still chose 
to go.  BTW, 3D digital performances are as good the last day it is 
shown as the first because there is no film to scratch.  That is unless 
some dumbshit kid hasn't  thrown his drink at the screen and the theater 
hasn't cleaned it properly (or replaced it in some cases).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[Bhairitu]

It's just a ride wrote:
> Somehow we're going to prevent obesity, unsafe sex, smoking,
> alcoholism with preventive care.   Maybe everybody will be taught to
> read their pulse?

So what dosha are you today?  :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Vaj]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

> Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American 
> Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more 
> intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the 
> Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals!

I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding 
more to "predictable" as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green 
planetary culture vs. a more Conservative-Republican corporate war machine: 
Hollywood libs diss Republicans.

What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi 
embrace "tree-hugger crap" and that what was necessary was a "shock and awe 
campaign" of "pre-emptive action," as he "fights terrorists with terror"?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Been Thinking

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> Seeing Avatar, and reading a lot recently of reports of possible
> liquid water on other planets, had me thinking that if "intelligent"
> life is found, then Christian missionaries would feel compelled to
> immediately go and try to convert the inhabitants. I am not poking 
> fun at them. But, I figure that a world view that holds that Jesus 
> is the "Lord of the Unverse", does'nt really allow for any renegade 
> provinces that may not have heard the "good news". I think 
> discovered life on another planet, (if it happens) is going to be 
> a tough one here.

If you like thinking about such things, Steve, I 
highly recommend a pair of novels by Mary Doria
Russell. The first is called "The Swallow" and 
the sequel (necessary to get over the impact of
the original) is called "Children Of God." Both
are brilliant.

In "The Swallow," Jesuit priests working at the
deep radio dish in Areceibo are on hand when the
first radio communication arrives that definitely,
no question about it, is from another species that
does not live on Earth. They live on a planet that
is actually reachable. So while the governments of
the Earth are arguing about who is going to go there
and who is going to pay for it and get the credit 
for it, the Jesuits (phenomenally wealthy) do what
they've always done and mount their own expedition.

Part scientists, part priests, they go to this planet
with the best of intentions. And it turns out really,
really, really badly. Heartbreakingly badly, shattering
the life of the priest at the heart of it all.

It really takes the followup novel "Children Of God"
to resolve things and make things somehow all right
again. 

"The Sparrow" was Russell's first novel. It won the 
Arthur C. Clarke Award, James Tiptree, Jr. Award, 
Kurd-Laßwitz-Preis and the British Science Fiction 
Association Award. But please don't think that these
science fiction credentials make it lightweight on in
any way a "genre" novel. Mary Doria Russell's favorite 
author is the same as mine, Dorothy Dunnett. That's a 
pretty awesome role model to feel that you have to 
live up to in your own writing. She does.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Been Thinking

[Vaj]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:39 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

> Seeing Avatar, and reading a lot recently of reports of possible liquid water 
> on other planets, had me thinking that if "intelligent" life is found, then 
> Christian missionaries would feel compelled to immediately go and try to 
> convert the inhabitants. I am not poking fun at them. But, I figure that a 
> world view that holds that Jesus is the "Lord of the Unverse", does really 
> allow for any renegade provinces that may not have heard the "good news". I 
> think discovered life on another planet, (if it happens) is going to be a 
> tough one here.

I would suspect, like in Avatar, that the primary harm to other intelligent 
lifeforms would be due to militarism and/or corporatism. But keeping in mind 
that these two are, at least in the US, associated with ethnocentric levels of 
god worship and esp. Christian fundamentalism, the chances are fundie types 
would want to impose their primitive beliefs on even a more advanced 
civilization--which they would see Coulter-like, as "Godless".

It's interesting that in the Star Trek mythos their civilization had developed 
what they called "the prime directive", no interference with civilizations with 
less development. It would take humanity "getting over" it's collective "God 
delusion" in order for that to happen IMO. Unless militarism ceases or 
dramatically decreases, the chances of humanity (collectively) moving beyond 
primitive religious conceptions is unlikely, as the survival mode that war 
thrusts upon a nation or people will inevitably force them into more primitive 
religious memes. 

I tend to agree with HHDL, who when he spoke to Hindu leaders at the Kumbha 
Mela a number of years back said 'the time of conversion has ended'.

It could also be that space travel will require that forms of spiritual 
mastery, like being able to go into suspended animation, be wedded with 
technology. Such scientific realties could render primitive earth religions 
obsolete and potentially catalyze human evolution.

[FairfieldLife] Humor: Traditional Atheist Holiday Time

[Bhairitu]

Though I'm not an atheist (been there, done that, got the t-shirt) this 
is quite funny.
http://www.bigfatwhale.com/archives/bfw_439.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[It's just a ride]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
>
> Of course they'll go up! You  will have to pay the insurance companies to 
> take care of people they didn't have to take care of before. We can all help 
> pay the medical burden of alcholics, smokers, people not practicing safe sex, 
> morbidly obese, etc.

Remember, insurance company outflows will be somewhat balanced by
receiving premiums from the "immortals", the 20-30 somethings who
usually don't carry insurance because they typically don't get sick.
Babies, accidents and occasionally cancer but usual not much else for
this age group.

Somehow we're going to prevent obesity, unsafe sex, smoking,
alcoholism with preventive care.   Maybe everybody will be taught to
read their pulse?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Mike Dixon]

Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian 
all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace 
loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox 
infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! 

From: Vaj 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:04:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

  


On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

"will make you say things like Mike said"? What, predictable or Comparing it to 
*Star Wars* and *Dances With Wolves* or that I liked it?


"Predictable" .



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[It's just a ride]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:44 AM, BillyG  wrote:

> Today's Big Government is certainly no friend to business


Bullshit.  Big Government does all it can for Big Business.  In fact, Big
Business calls each and every shot taken by Big Government.  Now Big
Business is no friend of little business.  What's good for General Motors is
good for the country has always been the case, even during the Civil War
when the equivalents of GM were
racking in the dough.



>   it sounds unConstitutional to me, to require an insurance Company to
> carry anybody!?
>

It's also unConstitutional for the Federal Government to require States to
spend money.  But it's done constantly.  How?  If you want you highway money
(money taken in from the drivers in the state in federal gasoline taxes,
e.g.), you'll pass this bill, you'll do this, you'll spend money on that.
Been going on for decades.  If we can get around states rights, why not get
around individual rights?



>
> It sounds like there will be subsidies for low income individuals which
> would require taxes to go up.  I doubt they'll find a half a trillion of
> cuts in Medicare to finance this. But then, "America is a Rich Country"
>  Barack Obama
>

We're not good at accounting for the future.  Especially when an
administration is in power for from 4-10 (in the case of succession to the
presidency then reelections) and calculations are always done over a 10 year
future.  Congress meets and passes bills every year, remember.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[Bhairitu]

Big government is the result of big business.  They have a "partnership" 
as corporate slime proudly put it.  Apparently you guys don't have the 
brains to understand this.  Neither is good.  We need government to 
maintain the commons but it does not need to be in your face.  And big 
business is just the expression of someone's ego trip.  They keep 
building a company bigger and bigger, gobbling up other firms (in 
corporatespeak called "acquisitions") and with little or no regard what 
impact this all has on society which is in general negative.  
Competition is good and monopolies are not.  And maybe some lifetime 
you'll be born with a brain that can understand all this.

BillyG wrote:
> Today's Big Government is certainly no friend to business,  it sounds 
> unConstitutional to me, to require an insurance Company to carry anybody!?
>
> It sounds like there will be subsidies for low income individuals which would 
> require taxes to go up.  I doubt they'll find a half a trillion of cuts in 
> Medicare to finance this. But then, "America is a Rich Country"  Barack Obama
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool  wrote:
>   
>>
>> It's already mandatory here in Massachusetts.
>>  
>> Insurance companies on this state have not been able to deny coverage to 
>> anyone for well over a decade...premiums went way up when that was 
>> legislated.
>>  
>> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
>> love." 
>>  
>> - Amma  
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, BillyG  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: BillyG 
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:11 PM
>>
>>
>> "Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
>> children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on 
>> denial of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 
>> 2014, a disappointment for consumer advocates."
>>
>> Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
>> with it, now you MUST have insurance!!  I wonder how this is going to play 
>> out..?
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> To subscribe, send a message to:
>> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Or go to: 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
>> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Been Thinking

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
 wrote:
>
> Seeing Avatar, and reading a lot recently of reports of possible
liquid water on other planets, had me thinking that if "intelligent"
life is found, then Christian missionaries would feel compelled to
immediately go and try to convert the inhabitants. I am not poking fun
at them. But, I figure that a world view that holds that Jesus is the
"Lord of the Unverse", does'nt really allow for any renegade provinces
that may not have heard the "good news". I think discovered life on
another planet, (if it happens) is going to be a tough one here.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Vaj]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

> "will make you say things like Mike said"? What, predictable or Comparing it 
> to *Star Wars* and *Dances With Wolves* or that I liked it?


"Predictable".

[FairfieldLife] Just Been Thinking

[lurkernomore20002000]

Seeing Avatar, and reading a lot recently of reports of possible liquid water 
on other planets, had me thinking that if "intelligent" life is found, then 
Christian missionaries would feel compelled to immediately go and try to 
convert the inhabitants. I am not poking fun at them.  But, I figure that a 
world view that holds that Jesus is the "Lord of the Unverse", does really 
allow for any renegade provinces that may not have heard the "good news".  I 
think discovered life on another planet, (if it happens) is going to be a tough 
one here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[Mike Dixon]

Of course they'll go up! You  will have to pay the insurance companies to take 
care of people they didn't have to take care of before. We can all help pay the 
medical burden of alcholics, smokers, people not practicing safe sex, morbidly 
obese, etc. 




From: gullible fool 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:38:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

  

It's already mandatory here in Massachusetts.
 
Insurance companies on this state have not been able to deny coverage to anyone 
for well over a decade...premiums went way up when that was legislated.
 "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' 
only love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, BillyG  wrote:


>From: BillyG 
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
>To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:11 PM
>
>
>"Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
>children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on denial 
>of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 2014, a 
>disappointment for consumer advocates."
>
>Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
>with it, now you MUST have insurance!!  I wonder how this is going to play 
>out..?
>
>
>
> - - --
>
>To subscribe, send a message to:
>FairfieldLife- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
>
>Or go to: 
>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/FairfieldL ife/
>and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thanks for the feedback.  One thing you may want to consider is a support 
group, or individual therapy or both.  Talking through issues, and sharing them 
with others with similiar experiences can really help in sorting stuff out.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@...  wrote:
>
> As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, 
> some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really 
> scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly 
> had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more unpleasant 
> memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in 
> general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another 
> school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. 
> The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes 
> me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student 
> can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few 
> people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone 
> who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something 
> wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the 
> tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If 
> TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing 
> wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other 
> students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I was tought that 
> there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very 
> judgmental of any "non-meditators." My parents, though still in the TMO, have 
> become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they 
> respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising 
> and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives in 
> > that preschool through 12 experience.  Glimpses we have in the past range 
> > from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged.  Care to share?  
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up 
> > > in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't 
> > > practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings 
> > > about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm 
> > > just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always 
> > > thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact 
> > > that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my 
> > > mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents 
> > > felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some 
> > > positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed 
> > > have carried over to MSAE.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[Mike Dixon]

Supreme Court? CAn the government *make* you buy anything?





From: BillyG 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:11:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

  
"Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on denial 
of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 2014, a 
disappointment for consumer advocates."

Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
with it, now you MUST have insurance!! I wonder how this is going to play 
out..?





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking all your ideas

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymous_wone  wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone! x
> > 
> > Im seeking your infinite wisdom! 
> 
> Try thinking up your own ideas for a paper.

Just ignore Barry. He takes pleasure in dumping on
anything anybody else (especially a newcomer) is
enthusiastic about (unless it's something he himself
is enthusiastic about, of course). He read no 
further in your document than the words "based on,"
which supplied him with an excuse to put you down
(which was all he was looking for in any case).

If he'd read the rest of it, he'd have realized 
you've put a lot of your own thought into it, using
Ross's points as a jumping-off place. (Not that that
would have stopped Barry from putting you down; he'd
just have had to work a little harder to do it, and
he prefers not to have to exert himself if at all
possible.)

What you say sounds reasonable to me. I'm wondering,
though, if it might be interesting to see if you
could get comments from group *leaders* as well as
members and former members.

How do leaders justify in their own minds the kinds
of behavior you'd like to see reformed? Would that
give you any insights into how to approach the
problems more effectively? Would any of the
justifications make sense, or would they all be
purely self-serving? Even if the latter, would
knowing how leaders see things add to the 
understanding of the dynamics of such groups?

Don't know if you could find any leaders who'd be
willing to respond, but perhaps it would be worth
a try.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Mike Dixon]

"will make you say things like Mike said"? What, predictable or Comparing it to 
*Star Wars* and *Dances With Wolves* or that I liked it?





From: Vaj 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 7:25:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

  


On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote:

Oh ok, my bad. 
>(sounds awful though --  like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-)


It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a Republican, 
the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies and some taken 
from Bush-Cheney- Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will make you say things 
like Mike said. It was a very "tantric" movie in that it dealt well with 
inter-dimensional congress and the idea of interdependent origination as a web 
naturally connecting all sentience.



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[lurkernomore20002000]

I saw it Friday night. I thought there would be a huge throng, so I picked a 
low traffic theatre, and it didn't have 3D, so I was disappointed there.  But I 
enjoyed it.  I felt he really got the "mystical, back to nature, indigenous 
people tuned into nature" part right.  When I go to a movie, as long as I don't 
feel I wasted my money, or more importantly, time, then I feel pretty good.  My 
kid wants to see 2012, and I heard that it is sort of stupid, but the SE make 
it entertaining.  Yea, entertaining, (and a little escape).  I Can always use 
some of that. Also plan to see The Road, today if possible.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very 
> predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is 
> excellent and worth seeing.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
wrote:

I have seen this happen with other things Maharishi
> implemented, and I find myself ranting with a friend about the
craziness
> of something but then end up concluding that, in fact, it was the best
> thing to do,  such as? or that something occured because of it that I
hadn't
> thought of. such as? There are many things I still think are crazy
though, the
> middle of Kansas for example, and weighing a man in his weight in
gold,
> trying to close down the souhern entrances of countries, and tying to
> build the tallest building in the world, but who knows, maybe I'll be
> proven wrong, but probably not in this lifetime :-) Ashley Deans as
> Principal is down right rational compared to these others.
>
> OffWorld
>
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I
> grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I
> haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed
> feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from
> ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans
left.
> I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up
to
> the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it
> with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said
> the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have
> been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope
those
> changed have carried over to MSAE.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him
> when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was
the
> most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't
> anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to
escape
> to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the
"real
> world". He outshined everyone in the real world.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking all your ideas

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymous_wone  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone! x
> 
> Im seeking your infinite wisdom! 

Try thinking up your own ideas for a paper.

Rehashing someone else's rehash isn't exactly
the way to demonstrate that you're *not* brain-
washed. Even Rick Ross would think you're a wuss.

It's like screaming, "I have nothing of my own
to contribute, so I'll just rehash what this 
anti-cult guru told me to think, to prove how
bad cultists who mindlessly follow gurus are. :-)

[FairfieldLife] seeking all your ideas

[anonymous_wone]

Hello everyone! x

Im seeking your infinite wisdom! Some people label meditation as brainwashing & 
Im sure youve been to many groups some new age some traditional & have a wide 
range of the things that go right & wrong for these groups. And Im sure youve 
seen mistreatment & abuse too. So please all you great yogis ;) contribute to 
my document which in the end will be a list of 10 religious ethics that stop 
abuse

document below please edit & add ideas


Greetings

I am writing a document that can be used to criticise cults and am seeking 
advice & ideas for editing it from former cult members. If you feel anything is 
missing or something could be said clearer please give me your opinion & ideas, 
thank you.

It is 10 ethics based on Rick Ross's "10 Characteristics of a Cult

Document below


1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. 

The religious ethic: 

The solution to this is to have a feedback system where the feedback is valued 
& considered properly & addressed both by the leader & its administrators.

Would this solve it? Let¡¯s try an example out. In any religious organization, 
where celibates are running the show, if they have a sex scandal this is 
damaging. So let¡¯s apply my solution. 

Feedback ignored : 
always someone speaks up in the early stages. By discounting their evidence, 
the person with the hidden scandal will rise in the organization & later when 
in a high position it will almost always come to light. At that time¡Ü a lot of 
people will be affected. Most people will remember this scandal & think of how 
the person was hiding it, putting on a clean face. There will then develop 2 
groups. The people trying to move on from the scandal & the people exposing it. 

Feedback listened to : 
Before the person gets power, the scandal is told. The person exposing it is 
LISTENED to & an investigation is done that establishes the truth. The accused 
clearly understands the catalogue of disasters that will come if they are 
dishonest & in caring for the reputation of the organization cooperates with 
investigation. 

2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. 
--
The religious ethic: Again a feedback system that is not just a token gesture 
but genuine. 

Listening to feedback is a great protector of religious groups. If 1 out of 10 
people are finding a problem, then when you convert 1000 people, 100 of them 
will have a problem. So it is crucial to solve these problems & address these 
issues in the early stages. 

3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an 
independently audited financial statement. 
---
The religious ethic (please comment & revise)

Do not take large amounts of money from individuals. Find an ethical way to 
fundraise that is not this method. Do not lavish the leaders & admins with 
luxury whilst the new boy grinds away in a servile manner. Do not spend 
fundraised money on other than you declared it was for. 

So the outcome: 

Advice ignored : 
Amongst the entourage of the leader, accountants & admins with time people 
naturally leave any organization & a few are unhappy. Those people produce 
financial information they were privy to that is an embarrassment. All the 
raised money ends up being spent on defending the group in legal circles. 
People come away in debt & with a feeling of having being used for their money. 
Due to their debts they cannot move on as it is a constant reminder so they 
stay bitter & naturally begin to warn others. 

Advice listened to : 
Although some people may become unhappy in certain circumstances and leave the 
organization they will not feel like they were used for their money. They can 
move on & not have any debts to remind them of the organization. 

4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, 
evil conspiracies and persecutions. 

Religious ethic (please comment & revise this one really needs input)

Do not speak ill of the non believer. They are sponsoring your spiritual life, 
building your halls of worship, making the clothes you wear & providing a 
society in which all the things you need are given with ease. They are also 
supporting your religious freedom. Do not say they are degenerates, lower 
beings, foolish etc. 

Always keep respect gratitude & valuing of the community. Keep good relations 
with neighbours and the community without any conversion agenda. Do not 
chastise people who want to read news & go outside & socialize. (Does this go 
against any traditional way of life?)

Advice ignored : 
The larger community will always find out from former members that they are 
being spoken of as lesser or lower. The group will get a bad reputation in 
wider society for doing this. Without interaction wit

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , therewillbeli...@...
 wrote:
>
> All I know is that he was not the right person to be head of MSAE and
almost everyone felt that way. There was a major disconnect between him
and the student/parents. I have no doubt that he had good intentions, he
simply wasn't tuned in and therefore came across as a bumbling idiot
despite his intelligence in other areas. >>

He's more of a University academic type I think. He didn't ask for the
job I don't think, and he's always a good speaker and advocate.
Maharishi always put people in positions they did not seem right for at
first, but it is possible that his position there had other effects that
are still to unfold. I have seen this happen with other things Maharishi
implemented, and I find myself ranting with a friend about the craziness
of something but then end up concluding that, in fact, it was the best
thing to do, or that something occured because of it that I hadn't
thought of. There are many things I still think are crazy though, the
middle of Kansas for example, and weighing a man in his weight in gold,
trying to close down the souhern entrances of countries, and tying to
build the tallest building in the world, but who knows, maybe I'll be
proven wrong, but probably not in this lifetime :-)  Ashley Deans as
Principal is down right rational compared to these others.

OffWorld


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , therewillbelight@ 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I
grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I
haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed
feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from
ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left.
I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to
the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it
with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said
the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have
been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those
changed have carried over to MSAE.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him
when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the
most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't
anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape
to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the "real
world".  He outshined everyone in the real world.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[lurkernomore20002000]

Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives in that 
preschool through 12 experience.  Glimpses we have in the past range from the 
scandalous, to strong friendships being forged.  Care to share?  Thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@...  wrote:
>
> Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF 
> and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM 
> or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As 
> most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's 
> improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling 
> idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned 
> teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are 
> still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. 
> I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, 
> and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar

[Vaj]

On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, off_world_beings wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh ok, my bad. 
> > > (sounds awful though --  like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-)
> > 
> > 
> > It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a 
> > Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies 
> > and some taken from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will 
> > make you say things like Mike said.>>
> 
> Well that shouldn't be a problem for me, seeing as how I was the first on FFL 
> to support Obama.
> 
> < It was a very "tantric" movie in that it dealt well with inter-dimensional 
> congress>>
> 
> Several times angelic-like females have descended and made love to me in my 
> sleep. Not joking. Its as real as it gets. The movie will not capture that. 
> The feeling stays with you for days, weeks, and even for a lifetime you can 
> recall it and it comes back. Very humbling feeling mixed with sweet love.
> 
Yes, but does she let you see the children?

Buddhist and Shaivite yogis have actually perfected such interdimensional 
congress for the expansion of consciousness, but I think it's fair to say, not 
all such unions are necessarily evolutionary. But union with a yakshini is many 
times more intense than with a human. 


V
Of the Sabbath of the Adepts
In the black hours of earth, when the Christian superstition with fell blight 
withered most malignantly the
peoples of Europe, when our own Holy Order was dispersed and the sanctity of 
its preceptories lay violate,
there were yet found certain to hold Truth in their hearts, and, loving Light, 
to bear the Lamp of Virtue
beneath the Cloak of Secrecy. And these at certain seasons went at night by 
ways open or hidden to heaths
and mountains, and there dancing together, and with strange suppers and spells 
diverse, did call forth Him,
whom the enemy called ignorantly Satan, and was in truth the Great God Pan, or 
Bacchus, or even that
Baphomet whom the Templars worshipped secretly, and yet worship as in the VI° 
all Illustrious Knights of
the Holy Order of Kadosch, all Dame Companions of the Holy Grail are taught to 
do, or BABALON the
Beautiful, or even Zeus Apollo of the Greeks.
And each when first inducted to the revel was made partner of that Incarnate 
One by the Consummation of
the Rite of Marriage.
Consider of this.

VI
Of Classical Fables
The Ancients of every nation report their heroes to have been born of the 
marriage of Gods with mortals. As,
Romulus and Remus begotten of the God Mars upon a vestal Virgin, Hercules of 
Jove, Buddha of Vishnu in
the form of a white elephant with six tusks, Jesus of Jehovah upon a virgin, 
and many another. Even true
Gods were born of mortal mothers, as Dionysius of Semele.
Also they recount many loves of heaven for earth, Diana for Endymion, Zeus for 
Leda, Danae, Europa, and
the rest; even Hades issued from his gloomy kingdom to ravish the maid 
Persephone.
There are also loves of Gods for nymphs, Bacchus for the Ariadne, Zeus for Io, 
Pan for Syrinx; there is no
end of these. And satyrs, fawns, centaurs, dryads, a thousand gracious tribes, 
leap lightly and lustfully
through their legends.
Again we have the loves of fairies for mankind, and the commerce of the Beni 
Elohim with the daughters of
men; and yet again the marriage of Orpheus with Eurydice a nymph, and the fatal 
nets that Laura, Melusina,
the Sirens, Lilith and many another cast for men.
It is even said that to every Neophyte of the Order of A\A\ appeareth a demon 
in the form of a woman to
pervert him; within Our own knowledge have not less than nine brethren been 
utterly cast out thereby.
There are also vain loves, as that of Ixion for Hera, of Actaeon for Artemis.
Consider of this.

VII
Of Certain Greek Rites
Among the peoples of the Balkan Peninsula and especially the Greeks, beneath 
the bush of their false
Christianity, is hidden the wheat of Demeter. And even as the Muslim trust to 
be united by death to the Hur
al’ Ayn of Paradise, so do these others yet think that earthly marriage is but 
fornication, for that Death is a
nuptial wherein the soul is united to that God or Goddess to whom on earth his 
lust aspired. Thus, even in
the embraces of their lovers, their hearts were fixed on Artemis or on 
Aphrodite or on Ares or on Apollo, as
the inner tendency urges and the intuition thereof proclaims.
Consider of this.

VIII
Of Succubi and Incubi
>From all time the life of man has now and again overflowed, in sleep, without 
>will, and only reflected itself
dimly and fantastically by dream into his knowledge. Now since naught can be 
lost on any plane, but only
changed in appearance, the inner substance of this life-stuff does indeed beget 
monsters in part material,
which the doctors of the Middle Ages called Incubi or Succubi according as they 
performed the functions of
male or female. These, too, b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance may now be mandatory!

[BillyG]

Today's Big Government is certainly no friend to business,  it sounds 
unConstitutional to me, to require an insurance Company to carry anybody!?

It sounds like there will be subsidies for low income individuals which would 
require taxes to go up.  I doubt they'll find a half a trillion of cuts in 
Medicare to finance this. But then, "America is a Rich Country"  Barack Obama

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> It's already mandatory here in Massachusetts.
>  
> Insurance companies on this state have not been able to deny coverage to 
> anyone for well over a decade...premiums went way up when that was legislated.
>  
> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
> love." 
>  
> - Amma  
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, BillyG  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: BillyG 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Health Insurance may now be mandatory!
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:11 PM
> 
> 
> "Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to 
> children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on 
> denial of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 
> 2014, a disappointment for consumer advocates."
> 
> Why not just wait till you get sick? Except for the penalties you'd get away 
> with it, now you MUST have insurance!!  I wonder how this is going to play 
> out..?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[guyfawkes91]

> 
> I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was 
> a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful 
> person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out 
> about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the 
> Movement because he couldn't make it in the "real world".  He outshined 
> everyone in the real world.
>

The medical term is "ideology", it rots the brain and makes intelligent people 
do stupid things. There are plenty of examples in the TMO of otherwise bright 
well organized people who get infected with ideology and then behave as if 
they've had parts of their brains removed. Technically they have, but without 
having had the operation, they've silently shut down parts of their 
intelligence in order to "be with the group". 

It's not something that's unique to the TMO, other groups can get infected too. 
In fact so common that it's the rule rather than the exception. Look at the 
number of otherwise bright scientists who think that the laws of thermodynamics 
no longer apply to the earth's atmosphere and therefore by some miracle 
increasing CO2 isn't going to make the earth warmer. A simple hand calculation, 
as Fourier did in 1845, would show that it can't possibly work like that, yet 
to "be with the group" they'll shut off parts of their brains and believe 
obvious nonsense even though they have the intelligence and training to 
actually sit down and do a hand calculation to show that it's nonsense.

Michael Shermer in "The borderlands of science" relates an example of someone 
being hypnotized to forget that the number 8 exists. They'll count on their 
fingers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11. They know the real answer is not 11 but they 
can't work out why they keep getting 11 when they count their fingers. Even an 
explanation won't help them, they have to be un-hypnotized to be able to see 
the number 8 again.

Google "groupthink" for other examples of clever people doing dumb things.

If Ashley Deans was taken out of the TMO and recovered his intelligence he'd 
most likely be a very sensible person.