Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
Please dot't send any message. Thanks Rgds Durai --- On Sun, 5/9/10, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com wrote: From: FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 5 September, 2010, 8:15 AM Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 04 00:00:00 2010 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 11 00:00:00 2010 42 messages as of (UTC) Sun Sep 05 00:13:53 2010 7 WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com 5 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 3 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 2 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 2 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 2 ditzyklanmail carc...@yahoo.co.in 2 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 2 PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk 1 yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com 1 pranamoocher bh...@hotmail.com 1 krysto kry...@natel.net 1 hermandan0 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 1 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 1 Selvadurai Nagappan selvadot...@yahoo.com.sg 1 Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com Posters: 19 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sihk Guru said Kali Yuga now coming to an end
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: yes, kali yuga is coming to an end, then california is going to fall into the ocean, then a great wave of bliss is going to hit us all and we'll all experience heaven on earth for eternity until the world comes to an end in 2012, then Jesus will return as prophesized and make everything perfect, then a new demon will take over this realm and make everything worse for us all, then it will all get better, then it will get worse again, then better, then worse, then better, then worse, then better, and hell, by then hopefully we'll all evolve to a point where we don't need someone to tell us everything's gonna be alright. Well said. Personally, given the lessons of history, I'm thinkin' that great waves of bliss and lollipop trees and free ice cream for everyone are FAR more likely to happen than people no longer longing for someone to tell them everything's gonna be alright. In a very real sense, the entire history of spiritual seeking can be reduced to people look- ing for someone to tell them everything's gonna be alright. Instead of looking around and real- izing that everything has pretty much always been as all right as it's ever going to get so one might as well relax and enjoy the parts of it that are enjoyable. The only element I'd add to your short synopsis of the spiritual path as most people follow it is the self importance thang: All of these great things that are going to happen are going to happen in YOUR lifetime, as a result of YOUR actions, because YOU are just so important. Go now and practice humility like the world- saving saints you are. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Selvadurai Nagappan selvadot...@... wrote: Please dot't send any message. Thanks Rgds Durai Dear Please RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) and realize that you can turn off email messages from Fairfield Life yourself on the Yahoo website, and that only a clueless newb thinks he accomplishes this by making repetitive and barely literate posts to the very forum he wants to turn off. 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ 2. Login 3. Click Edit Membership 4. Under Step 2 Message Delivery, select Web Only 5. Save Changes 6. Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave. Fkof Unc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Robert: Sexy Sarah~What Have Ye, Done?'... You sound really afraid of Sarah Palin and other women with power, Robert! What's up with that? (snip) Just a feeling that she's like a facist...that's all. And using Fox News platform for her propaganda...that's all. Knowing that the forces of seperation and fear are using her... She is sparkly on the outside, but only seeking power, for power's sake... That is why, we must fear the evil of seperation and division that she represents... Sort of like hitler in girl form... Robert One of the problems might be that Mrs. Palin, like Hitler, could have, for some peculiar reason, the support of Nature, at least for a while. In Hitler's case one of the proofs is that he seemed to survive several (seventeen?) assassination attempts? http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/assassination_attempts.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: One of the problems might be that Mrs. Palin, like Hitler, could have, for some peculiar reason, the support of Nature, at least for a while. In Hitler's case one of the proofs is that he seemed to survive several (seventeen?) assassination attempts?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
Of course. That's no big deal for me. I just like to think it that way... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: One of the problems might be that Mrs. Palin, like Hitler, could have, for some peculiar reason, the support of Nature, at least for a while. In Hitler's case one of the proofs is that he seemed to survive several (seventeen?) assassination attempts?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: Of course. That's no big deal for me. I just like to think it that way... I understand. You know me...I like to play with assumptions. On this or any TM forum one can throw out the term and the concept support of Nature and find everyone just assuming not only the existence of such a thing, but the truth of it. I just like every so often to challenge the base assumption. Me, I have no idea whether there is such a thing as Nature that might have the sentience, power and will to support someone. There might be, but I'm bettin' that Nature lacks the first quality, and thus the other two are rendered moot. Some days we drive across town and hit nothing but red lights. The next day, all green. It became common in the TMO for people to say that the latter was an example of support of Nature and for everyone to silently agree. In retrospect, I find it a curious belief system, and wonder how I silently agreed with it for so long. Maybe I had the support of Nature then, and now I don't. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: One of the problems might be that Mrs. Palin, like Hitler, could have, for some peculiar reason, the support of Nature, at least for a while. In Hitler's case one of the proofs is that he seemed to survive several (seventeen?) assassination attempts?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service
Dear Turq, Reasonable non prejudice answer. : ) Good opinion of his movies. Fair. Inland Empire takes one down a road of complete agony that appears to never stop, until the credits. Must be the intent. Upcoming work in china. your below link from IMDB. Must be someone willing to finance? His work is interesting. Compliments to the Lynch man for wanting to share art illuminating the depth of ignorance.Why the TMO embraces him, I do question. Does anyone in Fairfield dive their talents into dark art and are not embraced or rather discouraged from dark art because it is an unenlightened way of thinking? I would like to know why the double standard, or why it appears that way. Is it because of donations that are gathered? This topic, I am only wanting answers to what comes naturally to question. Deep rest brings more creativity as it is said, these email groups are creative, so no one is wrong to display opinion. This email is not attempting to bash the TMO nor David Lynch. I appreciate the Turqs value in this thread. Thank you. From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 September, 2010 10:03:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Off the topic of spiritual quest. This is not a trick question to tie you down on the tracks. Turq, you do like David Lynch films as an artist, correct? I'm actually not a big fan. I liked his Dune because he brought a good dark side to the set design and some of the darker characters. I thought Blue Velvet was interesting, but too weird for me. Go figure. :-) I thought Mulholland Drive was overrated, him *trying* to be enigmatic and mysterious, as opposed to really being those things. Saw long outtakes from Inland Empire and decided not to bother, even though it starred one of my faves, Laura Dern. Never encountered him in the TMO, so I really have no personal feelings about him. As a film- maker I think he's the type of director who has discovered that the weirder and less under- standable he makes his movies, the better they will be reviewed. A pleasant exception to this was The Straight Story, which was just that. I respect his naive view of both Maharishi and what he hopes to do with his project, and think he's well-meaning, but yes, I think he's naive. Can't imagine why you thought that mattered, but I guess you'll say. If you do like his work, explain this upcoming project to me, based on its IMDB page. I can't make heads nor tails of it myself. :-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712185/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service
LOL From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 September, 2010 11:26:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Off the topic of spiritual quest. This is not a trick question to tie you down on the tracks. Turq, you do like David Lynch films as an artist, correct? I'm actually not a big fan. I liked his Dune because he brought a good dark side to the set design and some of the darker characters. I thought Blue Velvet was interesting, but too weird for me. Go figure. :-) I thought Mulholland Drive was overrated, him *trying* to be enigmatic and mysterious, as opposed to really being those things. Saw long outtakes from Inland Empire and decided not to bother, even though it starred one of my faves, Laura Dern. Never encountered him in the TMO, so I really have no personal feelings about him. As a film- maker I think he's the type of director who has discovered that the weirder and less under- standable he makes his movies, the better they will be reviewed. A pleasant exception to this was The Straight Story, which was just that. I respect his naive view of both Maharishi and what he hopes to do with his project, and think he's well-meaning, but yes, I think he's naive. Can't imagine why you thought that mattered, but I guess you'll say. If you do like his work, explain this upcoming project to me, based on its IMDB page. I can't make heads nor tails of it myself. :-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712185/ So how many other than me saw the Lynch documentary (the 2007 one)? No one else has commented. Sal was going to watch it as she finally found it on Netflix WI and I know a lot more here use that streaming service. Have you seen it by the eyepatch service? I think you would find it amusing. I find it interesting how many quirky people (which I'm fine with because they're artists) become poster children for the TM industry. The price and that is enough to keep the general public well at bay. And I have a suspicion that if Nabby ever visited Fairfield he would not be allowed into the dome, especially with his Benjamin Creme t-shirt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Dear Turq, His work is interesting. Compliments to the Lynch man for wanting to share art illuminating the depth of ignorance. An interesting phrase, one I cannot disagree with. The word Why? keeps popping into my head, but the phrase is accurate. Why the TMO embraces him, I do question. Does anyone in Fairfield dive their talents into dark art and are not embraced or rather discouraged from dark art because it is an unenlightened way of thinking? I do not live there and cannot say what happens in Fairfield. In general, I think that there is a certain reverence for the famous in TM circles, and I think it's fair to say that this came from Maharishi. He was attracted to fame like a moth to a flame, and liked to surround himself with famous faces. It didn't seem to matter what the person did to become famous, only that he was famous. I would like to know why the double standard, or why it appears that way. Is it because of donations that are gathered? These days, very possibly. For Maharishi himself, in all honesty I think he was attracted more to the fame than the money. The money just came *with* the famous people, and to him as a result of being photographed with them. This topic, I am only wanting answers to what comes naturally to question. Deep rest brings more creativity as it is said, these email groups are creative, so no one is wrong to display opinion. Except when someone displays an opinion that pushes buttons. Then we need our oracles to tell us which opinion is right and which is wrong. :-) This email is not attempting to bash the TMO nor David Lynch. This reply is not attempting to bash the TMO, David Lynch, ditzyklanmail, or anyone else on this forum. I will take the opportunity, however, to bash Stanley Weisenbaum, who stole my girlfriend in seventh grade. Guy was a shithead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
I switched him over to no email last night. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Selvadurai Nagappan selvadotcom@ wrote: Please dot't send any message. Thanks Rgds Durai Dear Please RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) and realize that you can turn off email messages from Fairfield Life yourself on the Yahoo website, and that only a clueless newb thinks he accomplishes this by making repetitive and barely literate posts to the very forum he wants to turn off. 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ 2. Login 3. Click Edit Membership 4. Under Step 2 Message Delivery, select Web Only 5. Save Changes 6. Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave. Fkof Unc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. That made me flashback to the time on a.m.t when I responded with a simple shit happens to that angry mess who had stormed onto the newsgroup, hurling abuse at the TMers. I just revisited the thread on Google Groups, and looking back, 12 years later, I can still understand perfectly why I responded the way I did. If it happened today, I think I'd simply ignore the guy, but if I were to respond, I would respond the same way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. That made me flashback to the time on a.m.t when I responded with a simple shit happens to that angry mess who had stormed onto the newsgroup, hurling abuse at the TMers. I just revisited the thread on Google Groups, and looking back, 12 years later, I can still understand perfectly why I responded the way I did. If it happened today, I think I'd simply ignore the guy, but if I were to respond, I would respond the same way. There are days when I think that, after 40+ years on a spiritual path, the only thing I can say with any certainty is shit happens. Either that or it doesn't. Whatever. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in the 21st Century
Nice. The exact quote, by Margaret Mead, is: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: RSA A small group of people aspiring can change the world, as there is the collective vision to support it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7ANGMy0yofeature=player_embedded
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. Excellent point. One of the most interesting changes in my world view having extracted the movement mindset was facing the loss of the illusion of control over the world through my inner state. The means collecting around sattwa, my subtlest impulse of desire being fulfilled by nature. That last claim was actually on my MIU diploma. In Swami G's Batgap interview she claims to have had experiences of influencing the weather among her many miracles. The burden of maintaining this grandiose view of one's relationship with the world involves getting others to buy in. If you can get enough people to buy in, jackpot, you are a guru and other people pay your bills. Meanwhile the human condition is much more humble. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. We know so little, and front'n isn't helping us improve that situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: One of the problems might be that Mrs. Palin, like Hitler, could have, for some peculiar reason, the support of Nature, at least for a while. In Hitler's case one of the proofs is that he seemed to survive several (seventeen?) assassination attempts?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service
Turq, All is fair. I can not disagree with your comments, this time. LOL You have good focus. I do like when Stein puts you in your place. All is fun. Where is Stein? You two should marry. : ) I appreciate you taking time to dissect the below. I just keep wondering if there was/is a better way for the TMO to forward itself. ... wait, I think you gave an intelligent answer to that in a previous post, in a previous thread. In the TMO, there is rather a huge focus on the faces who make accomplishments, commercially and I am not one to really do something just because a figure head did or does. That is a teenager's way of thinking. lol I like teenagers, when they are teenagers in their teens. lol. When it carries on to superficial adults, I tend to not wish to go that route. I wish not to bash you Turq. Nabby, well, it goes both ways with him. Jar Jar Binks is easy to pick on. : From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 5 September, 2010 7:04:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great opportunity for service --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Dear Turq, His work is interesting. Compliments to the Lynch man for wanting to share art illuminating the depth of ignorance. An interesting phrase, one I cannot disagree with. The word Why? keeps popping into my head, but the phrase is accurate. Why the TMO embraces him, I do question. Does anyone in Fairfield dive their talents into dark art and are not embraced or rather discouraged from dark art because it is an unenlightened way of thinking? I do not live there and cannot say what happens in Fairfield. In general, I think that there is a certain reverence for the famous in TM circles, and I think it's fair to say that this came from Maharishi. He was attracted to fame like a moth to a flame, and liked to surround himself with famous faces. It didn't seem to matter what the person did to become famous, only that he was famous. I would like to know why the double standard, or why it appears that way. Is it because of donations that are gathered? These days, very possibly. For Maharishi himself, in all honesty I think he was attracted more to the fame than the money. The money just came *with* the famous people, and to him as a result of being photographed with them. This topic, I am only wanting answers to what comes naturally to question. Deep rest brings more creativity as it is said, these email groups are creative, so no one is wrong to display opinion. Except when someone displays an opinion that pushes buttons. Then we need our oracles to tell us which opinion is right and which is wrong. :-) This email is not attempting to bash the TMO nor David Lynch. This reply is not attempting to bash the TMO, David Lynch, ditzyklanmail, or anyone else on this forum. I will take the opportunity, however, to bash Stanley Weisenbaum, who stole my girlfriend in seventh grade. Guy was a shithead.
[FairfieldLife] Kit Carson: The Oliver North of the Wild West
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm3mX1UoJQo Who would the current or recent American Kit Carson be? Rummy? Betrayus? Darth C.? (You have to listen to the story and the song) Bruce Cockburn and Colin Linden, Austin City Limits 1992. Also worth watching: See How I Miss You, again from Autin City limits 1992 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28bRKv218I
[FairfieldLife] Re: support of Nature, deities, karma, morality
Support of Nature = the deities. After the conquests of Alexander the Great and the defeat of so many local deities, this explanation no longer was considered tenable by the thoughtful. People turned to new deities during the consolidation of the Hellenic empire. In Hinduism karma meant the performance and results of ritual action. Most of these results were not testable because they were formulated for entry into heaven. Buddha changed this concept by ethicizing it, thus asserting a universe of moral reciprocity for the consequences of action. This is the current state of belief for Indic based traditions. Semite religions originally asserted that the only morality is submission to their chosen god. His will was the only universalizing value. Then they slightly modified this belief by contact with Hellenic Platonism when they were forced to consider the world at large rather than just their ideo-tribalism. Scientism asserts an amoral universe. Morality is simply a means toward an equilibrium that can function to assist tribal cohesion. Crow-shite rains from the sky is simply the recognition of the inane, w.t.f. universe we inhabit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. That made me flashback to the time on a.m.t when I responded with a simple shit happens to that angry mess who had stormed onto the newsgroup, hurling abuse at the TMers. I just revisited the thread on Google Groups, and looking back, 12 years later, I can still understand perfectly why I responded the way I did. If it happened today, I think I'd simply ignore the guy, but if I were to respond, I would respond the same way. There are days when I think that, after 40+ years on a spiritual path, the only thing I can say with any certainty is shit happens. Either that or it doesn't. Whatever. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday FFL
Today is our 9th birthday. 255,824 posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. Excellent point. One of the most interesting changes in my world view having extracted the movement mindset was facing the loss of the illusion of control over the world through my inner state. I get what you are saying. I waver between both views, and while not ever buying into the whole TMO thing as much as you did, I find the opposite view to be really uncomfortable, too. I think the idea of random, plotless, structureless life is terrifying to most of us. Feeling that one can control or at least influence events in our lives is a pretty basic need, and I think that is what this stems from. Since most of us assume that we can make choices in life (toast or eggs for breakfast? which movie to see? who to call on the phone?) -both mundane and more profound- that do tend to improve the happiness in life, it is normal to think of the same process occurring on a grander, more universal scale. Somehow this morphs into what i object to in the TMO and other similar philosophies: the whole karma thing and then the means collect around sattwa idea. This is a very nice idea if you yourself and your loved ones are fine and The Good Guys. It can lead to justifying all sorts of nasty behavior if you look at Others as nasty or bad and not deserving of respect. But back to the main point. Here is what I am thinking these days: It actually does make sense to me that things in creation have a pattern - since everything is a result of the prior state. And I assume that at least at the atomic and cellular levels of life there is a fairly predicable sequence of events as things unfold. Certainly when science cannot find that pattern, the next research involves figuring out just what is missing in understanding and finding that missing info so the cause and effect pattern can be continued. Science assumes patterns.The big leap is the assumption that this same orderliness continues as we move up the scale of creation and especially into human thinking and feeling and neurology. And I think it is pretty likely that even our thoughts and sense of free will are part of that automatic process. So, the sense that we have personal control of events and thoughts is really an illusion. I think it all just happens but we feel as if we are doing and choosing and controlling. So the actuality is that we have no control at all over life. But that does not have to mean that there is not some sort of pattern to it all, even if it is pure scientific cause and effect happening on zillions of levels at a time in all of creation. What is intriguing is the intense sense of control, an example of which is below in the Swami G interview. She went from our typical human wanting to control and believing in some degree of control, to absolutely and clearly feeling that she was controlling nature and events far removed from her personal sphere of influence. I have had a few times like that - one just after the 6 month course when for about a week I felt I could control the flow of interactions between people at work in the office! Is this the opposite of the supposedly Enlightened state where one witnesses things as flowing without personal involvement, or what? Maybe it is the state of witnessing while at the same time wanting to be in control out of old habit? And then the witnessing itself feels like controlling what is going to happen anyway? Argh...Here I am trying to slap a pattern on perhaps random events!!! Enough for a Sunday morning. . The means collecting around sattwa, my subtlest impulse of desire being fulfilled by nature. That last claim was actually on my MIU diploma. In Swami G's Batgap interview she claims to have had experiences of influencing the weather among her many miracles. The burden of maintaining this grandiose view of one's relationship with the world involves getting others to buy in. If you can get enough people to buy in, jackpot, you are a guru and other people pay your bills. Meanwhile the human condition is much more humble. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. We know so little, and front'n isn't helping us improve that situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in the 21st Century
Depends on who that small group is. If they are a bunch of wealthy Neocons it would be change we don't want. That's the problem with 1% of the populace holding much of the wealth. They aren't that much better than anyone else they just have accumulated more money. A bad decision on their part (or usually their money manager folks) can be very destructive to a lot of people. Of course it is usually small groups of people changing things because most of the populace is too busy just surviving. But it is usually best that the intellectual class be the source of change than the merchant class. The intellectual class sees ways to improve things while the merchant class is only concerned with more profits. TurquoiseB wrote: Nice. The exact quote, by Margaret Mead, is: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: RSA A small group of people aspiring can change the world, as there is the collective vision to support it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7ANGMy0yofeature=player_embedded
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sihk Guru said Kali Yuga now coming to an end
Maybe somebody should tell the Iranian authorities about the Sihk's great revelation: Iran stoning woman 'to be lashed over photograph' Ms Ashtiani's family say they have not been allowed to contact her in prison for two weeks. The Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery now faces being whipped for indecency, her son says. Iranian authorities sentenced Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani to 99 lashes after the Times newspaper published a picture purportedly of her without a headscarf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: overhead said by Hari Nam Singh Khalsa on TV. but we heard that from Maharishi already.
[FairfieldLife] SARANGI - Pandit Ram Narayan and a little bit of me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CklvW9HEL4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: That was an interesting response. Many cool points, especially the one about the good guys and the others'! Gives me a LOST flashback. I am not anti control. I also try to keep my eye on the things I can control to improve my life and others. (In that order!) I believe that the otherwise dubious AA, who adopted this prayer: God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference. is brilliant if you just drop the God part. I can just as easily ask myself to stay clear on this distinction and manage how pissed off I am willing to get about shit that just happens. Weather, known douchbags acting like douchbags, my car F'ing, up don't get on the front page of my pissed off meter. In fact my pissed off list is getting pretty short since I faced the death of a loved one and figured out the conveyor belt we are on. (SPOILER ALERT: it doesn't end well.) So every day I am alive starts with a big plus and I give myself a lot of slack for the bumbling way I go about trying to bend the world to my will. I have some pluses, I advance my pawns, I give it the old college try, and try not to be too unkind to my dumbass for not being a superman. Dropping the perfectionist standard of enlightenment was a big help in my own acceptance of my flaws. And since the high and mighty are dropping like flies into the even I am not that much of an asshole bin, I'm spending more time whistling while I work. It seems that we are all bozos on this bus and that suits me just fine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. Excellent point. One of the most interesting changes in my world view having extracted the movement mindset was facing the loss of the illusion of control over the world through my inner state. I get what you are saying. I waver between both views, and while not ever buying into the whole TMO thing as much as you did, I find the opposite view to be really uncomfortable, too. I think the idea of random, plotless, structureless life is terrifying to most of us. Feeling that one can control or at least influence events in our lives is a pretty basic need, and I think that is what this stems from. Since most of us assume that we can make choices in life (toast or eggs for breakfast? which movie to see? who to call on the phone?) -both mundane and more profound- that do tend to improve the happiness in life, it is normal to think of the same process occurring on a grander, more universal scale. Somehow this morphs into what i object to in the TMO and other similar philosophies: the whole karma thing and then the means collect around sattwa idea. This is a very nice idea if you yourself and your loved ones are fine and The Good Guys. It can lead to justifying all sorts of nasty behavior if you look at Others as nasty or bad and not deserving of respect. But back to the main point. Here is what I am thinking these days: It actually does make sense to me that things in creation have a pattern - since everything is a result of the prior state. And I assume that at least at the atomic and cellular levels of life there is a fairly predicable sequence of events as things unfold. Certainly when science cannot find that pattern, the next research involves figuring out just what is missing in understanding and finding that missing info so the cause and effect pattern can be continued. Science assumes patterns.The big leap is the assumption that this same orderliness continues as we move up the scale of creation and especially into human thinking and feeling and neurology. And I think it is pretty likely that even our thoughts and sense of free will are part of that automatic process. So, the sense that we have personal control of events and thoughts is really an illusion. I think it all just happens but we feel as if we are doing and choosing and controlling. So the actuality is that we have no control at all over life. But that does not have to mean that there is not some sort of pattern to it all, even if it is pure scientific cause and effect happening on zillions of levels at a time in all of creation. What
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Today is our 9th birthday. 255,824 posts. Best celebration I can think of is the recent thoughtful exchange with Barry and Wayback. Thanks Rick, this joint rocks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: ET morality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Who has written or theorized about morality in our possible future contacts with ET-s? How could we even evaluate them enough to judge if there is any form of moral code. That means no human analogues. WTF? Sometime back TurquoiseB mentioned Mary Doria Russell's The Sparrow and Children Of God. They are compelling, very well written, and have the crux of your question as a key theme.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lady Dior series of film noir mini-features
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Dear Turq, Upcoming work? in china? your below link from IMDB. Must be someone willing to finance? [:-?] Lynch's Lady Blue is, fashion film, the third film in the Lady Dior series of film noir mini-features, as usually oblique, enigmatic, weird crammed with Lynchian leitmotifs flashing lights, flashbacks and a haunting soundtrack. It launches on the Dior website this weekend-plot/topic ( Moira Benigson, managing partner of the MBS Group, ) on demand, * to show the handbag, * the Pearl Tower and * some old Shanghai and falls IMHO between a regular film and a commercial. watch: http://www.ladydior.com/ Those who log on will see French actress Marion Cotillard, who has starred in all the Dior films, tiptoeing along a deserted corridor in a deserted Shanghai hotel. As for the actors, cue a natural segue from still adverts and acting as opposed to modeling. Music is blaring from her room. She opens the door, terror etched across her face, to find a bag (yes, it's the Lady Dior!) blue, square, on a pedestal, a light beaming behind it. Two security guards arrive to investigate and, as Cotillard describes the scene, she slips into a dream-like state. The bag has triggered the memory of febrile kisses exchanged between her and a Chinese paramour in front of Shanghai's Pearl Tower, and of his hurried escape, handing her a blue rose as he flees. She awakens, a tear trickling down her powdered cheek. She inches towards the bag, opens the clasp, looks inside and finds the blue rose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Blue_Shanghai The commercial aspect of the film has been may be diluted (the word Dior is notably absent), but this may enhance the brand's artistic credibility, merging and blurring of what is art, what is film, and may confuse some.(!) But what better way to expose a brand's sensitive, intellectual, artsy side? Savour! appreciate the art! (and then buy the perfume) TM artsy will coming, soon, you bet. Pearl Tower was inspired by a poem by Bai Juyi about pearls falling on jade, two dragons playing with pearls falling from the sky over a plate of jade. http://en.wikiarquitectura.com/index.php?title=Eastern_Pearl_Tower and the sound of a Pipa. pipa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCXzOsKn3Pofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZT5-W_vPFYfeature=related (*Part one Lady Noire, directed by Olivier Dahan (La Vie en Rose).Part two appeared in January: Lady Rouge, directed by music video and film director Jonas Akerlund) BTW Chanel has also lured a roll-call of directorial greats to create its own fragrance advert trilogy: Baz Luhrmann, Jean-Pierre Jeunet (of Amélie) and Martin Scorsese !!. Lynch may be known for edgy, unorthodox films such as Mulholland Drive and Blue Velvet but he seems to have explored a lot, for the past few years, a sideline in fashion films. He has worked with Gucci, (Gucci By Gucci (David Lynch) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QFZ-Njmjofeature=related) Calvin Klein and Yves Saint Laurent on the filming of the Gucci, Obsession and Opium fragrance adverts respectively, as well as with shoemaker Christian Louboutin on a photographic exhibition about fetishistic shoes. see also obsession by Calvin Klein Ad 2 - David Lynch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vagl2g3BB7Q David Lynch's opium commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nni-CGgHlZEfeature=related David Lynch Playstation Commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMehuZo3x8feature=related David Lynch's pregnancy test commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcUaVHi9Qggfeature=related David Lynch ps2 commercial - blind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-i__nfVdGINR=1 and other D.L.'s commercial at youtube intesting to compare Baz Luhrmann for Chanel No 5 (2004) Nicole Kidman's Chanel No. 5 Chanel works with movie directors because they bring depth, emotion and what we call in French, `a supplement of soul,'â says Andrew d'Avack, president of Chanel fragrance and beauty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C525FnMFSBIfeature=related making of chanel no.5 nicole kidman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaSsLH3B8ng THE LADY NOIR AFFAIR / BY LADY DIOR / CHAPTER ONE / DIRECTED BY OLIVIER DAHAN FEAT. MARION COTILLARD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL5Nnay5sKY Dior's cinematographic fashion campaign for the Lady Dior Handbag. Art direction by John Galliano, directed by Jonas Akerlund, starring by Marion Cotillard singing The Eyes Of Mars with Franz Ferdinand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj2yzpbWquAfeature=related Have a good time watching and forget the rational side in You! Washing your eyes xÇâ yÇnâ jingâ as the Chinese saying goes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lady Dior series of film noir mini-features
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Dear Turq, Upcoming work? in china? your below link from IMDB. Must be someone willing to finance? [:-?] Lynch's Lady Blue is a fashion film, the third film in the Lady Dior series of film noir mini-features, as usually oblique, enigmatic, weird crammed with Lynchian leitmotifs flashing lights, flashbacks and a haunting soundtrack. It launches on the Dior website this weekend-plot/topic ( Moira Benigson, managing partner of the MBS Group, ) on demand, * to show the handbag, * the Pearl Tower and * some old Shanghai and falls IMHO between a regular film and a commercial. watch: http://www.ladydior.com/ Those who log on will see French actress Marion Cotillard, who has starred in all the Dior films, tiptoeing along a deserted corridor in a deserted Shanghai hotel. As for the actors, cue a natural segue from still adverts and acting as opposed to modeling. Music is blaring from her room. She opens the door, terror etched across her face, to find a bag (yes, it's the Lady Dior!) blue, square, on a pedestal, a light beaming behind it. Two security guards arrive to investigate and, as Cotillard describes the scene, she slips into a dream-like state. The bag has triggered the memory of febrile kisses exchanged between her and a Chinese paramour in front of Shanghai's Pearl Tower, and of his hurried escape, handing her a blue rose as he flees. She awakens, a tear trickling down her powdered cheek. She inches towards the bag, opens the clasp, looks inside and finds the blue rose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Blue_Shanghai The commercial aspect of the film has been may be diluted (the word Dior is notably absent), but this may enhance the brand's artistic credibility, merging and blurring of what is art, what is film, and may confuse some.(!) But what better way to expose a brand's sensitive, intellectual, artsy side? Savour! appreciate the art! (and then buy the perfume) TM brand artsy will coming, soon, you bet. Pearl Tower was inspired by a poem by Bai Juyi about pearls falling on jade, two dragons playing with pearls falling from the sky over a plate of jade. http://en.wikiarquitectura.com/index.php?title=Eastern_Pearl_Tower and the sound of a Pipa. pipa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCXzOsKn3Pofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZT5-W_vPFYfeature=related (*Part one Lady Noire, directed by Olivier Dahan (La Vie en Rose).Part two appeared in January: Lady Rouge, directed by music video and film director Jonas Akerlund) BTW Chanel has also lured a roll-call of directorial greats to create its own fragrance advert trilogy: Baz Luhrmann, Jean-Pierre Jeunet (of Amélie) and Martin Scorsese !!. Lynch may be known for edgy, unorthodox films such as Mulholland Drive and Blue Velvet but he seems to have explored a lot, for the past few years, a sideline in fashion films. He has worked with Gucci, (Gucci By Gucci (David Lynch) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QFZ-Njmjofeature=related) Calvin Klein and Yves Saint Laurent on the filming of the Gucci, Obsession and Opium fragrance adverts respectively, as well as with shoemaker Christian Louboutin on a photographic exhibition about fetishistic shoes. see also obsession by Calvin Klein Ad 2 - David Lynch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vagl2g3BB7Q David Lynch's opium commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nni-CGgHlZEfeature=related David Lynch Playstation Commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMehuZo3x8feature=related David Lynch's pregnancy test commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcUaVHi9Qggfeature=related David Lynch ps2 commercial - blind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-i__nfVdGINR=1 and other D.L.'s commercial at youtube intesting to compare Baz Luhrmann for Chanel No 5 (2004) Nicole Kidman's Chanel No. 5 Chanel works with movie directors because they bring depth, emotion and what we call in French, `a supplement of soul,'â says Andrew d'Avack, president of Chanel fragrance and beauty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C525FnMFSBIfeature=related making of chanel no.5 nicole kidman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaSsLH3B8ng THE LADY NOIR AFFAIR / BY LADY DIOR / CHAPTER ONE / DIRECTED BY OLIVIER DAHAN FEAT. MARION COTILLARD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL5Nnay5sKY Dior's cinematographic fashion campaign for the Lady Dior Handbag. Art direction by John Galliano, directed by Jonas Akerlund, starring by Marion Cotillard singing The Eyes Of Mars with Franz Ferdinand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj2yzpbWquAfeature=related Have a good time watching and forget the rational side in You! [:D] Washing your eyes - Xi YanJing - as the Chinese saying goes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lady Dior series of film noir mini-features
Thanks for the information. I've actually seen some interesting work done by major filmmakers as fashion ads, although I've never seen any of Lynch's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc108@ wrote: Dear Turq, Upcoming work? in china? your below link from IMDB. Must be someone willing to finance? [:-?] Lynch's Lady Blue is a fashion film, the third film in the Lady Dior series of film noir mini-features, as usually oblique, enigmatic, weird crammed with Lynchian leitmotifs flashing lights, flashbacks and a haunting soundtrack. It launches on the Dior website this weekend-plot/topic ( Moira Benigson, managing partner of the MBS Group, ) on demand, * to show the handbag, * the Pearl Tower and * some old Shanghai and falls IMHO between a regular film and a commercial. watch: http://www.ladydior.com/ Those who log on will see French actress Marion Cotillard, who has starred in all the Dior films, tiptoeing along a deserted corridor in a deserted Shanghai hotel. As for the actors, cue a natural segue from still adverts and acting as opposed to modeling. Music is blaring from her room. She opens the door, terror etched across her face, to find a bag (yes, it's the Lady Dior!) blue, square, on a pedestal, a light beaming behind it. Two security guards arrive to investigate and, as Cotillard describes the scene, she slips into a dream-like state. The bag has triggered the memory of febrile kisses exchanged between her and a Chinese paramour in front of Shanghai's Pearl Tower, and of his hurried escape, handing her a blue rose as he flees. She awakens, a tear trickling down her powdered cheek. She inches towards the bag, opens the clasp, looks inside and finds the blue rose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Blue_Shanghai The commercial aspect of the film has been may be diluted (the word Dior is notably absent), but this may enhance the brand's artistic credibility, merging and blurring of what is art, what is film, and may confuse some.(!) But what better way to expose a brand's sensitive, intellectual, artsy side? Savour! appreciate the art! (and then buy the perfume) TM brand artsy will coming, soon, you bet. Pearl Tower was inspired by a poem by Bai Juyi about pearls falling on jade, two dragons playing with pearls falling from the sky over a plate of jade. http://en.wikiarquitectura.com/index.php?title=Eastern_Pearl_Tower and the sound of a Pipa. pipa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCXzOsKn3Pofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZT5-W_vPFYfeature=related (*Part one Lady Noire, directed by Olivier Dahan (La Vie en Rose).Part two appeared in January: Lady Rouge, directed by music video and film director Jonas Akerlund) BTW Chanel has also lured a roll-call of directorial greats to create its own fragrance advert trilogy: Baz Luhrmann, Jean-Pierre Jeunet (of Amélie) and Martin Scorsese !!. Lynch may be known for edgy, unorthodox films such as Mulholland Drive and Blue Velvet but he seems to have explored a lot, for the past few years, a sideline in fashion films. He has worked with Gucci, (Gucci By Gucci (David Lynch) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QFZ-Njmjofeature=related) Calvin Klein and Yves Saint Laurent on the filming of the Gucci, Obsession and Opium fragrance adverts respectively, as well as with shoemaker Christian Louboutin on a photographic exhibition about fetishistic shoes. see also obsession by Calvin Klein Ad 2 - David Lynch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vagl2g3BB7Q David Lynch's opium commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nni-CGgHlZEfeature=related David Lynch Playstation Commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMehuZo3x8feature=related David Lynch's pregnancy test commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcUaVHi9Qggfeature=related David Lynch ps2 commercial - blind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-i__nfVdGINR=1 and other D.L.'s commercial at youtube intesting to compare Baz Luhrmann for Chanel No 5 (2004) Nicole Kidman's Chanel No. 5 Chanel works with movie directors because they bring depth, emotion and what we call in French, `a supplement of soul,'â says Andrew d'Avack, president of Chanel fragrance and beauty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C525FnMFSBIfeature=related making of chanel no.5 nicole kidman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaSsLH3B8ng THE LADY NOIR AFFAIR / BY LADY DIOR / CHAPTER ONE / DIRECTED BY OLIVIER DAHAN FEAT. MARION COTILLARD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL5Nnay5sKY Dior's cinematographic fashion campaign for the Lady Dior Handbag. Art direction by John Galliano, directed by Jonas Akerlund, starring by Marion Cotillard singing The Eyes Of Mars with Franz Ferdinand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj2yzpbWquAfeature=related Have a good time watching and forget
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: I switched him over to no email last night. You might also want to switch him over to no light on upstairs today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Selvadurai Nagappan selvadotcom@ wrote: Please dot't send any message. Thanks Rgds Durai Dear Please RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) and realize that you can turn off email messages from Fairfield Life yourself on the Yahoo website, and that only a clueless newb thinks he accomplishes this by making repetitive and barely literate posts to the very forum he wants to turn off. 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ 2. Login 3. Click Edit Membership 4. Under Step 2 Message Delivery, select Web Only 5. Save Changes 6. Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave. Fkof Unc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday FFL
Happy Birthday FFL! Maybe this bring life to FF! From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 5 September, 2010 10:18:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday FFL Today is our 9th birthday. 255,824 posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Catfood Commission
Ask President Obama to can the Catfood Commission before it guts Social Security. Please sign the ActBlue petition below: http://www.actblue.com/page/catfoodads Follow developing story here: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/08/27/grayson-progressive-groups-join-call-to-fire-alan-simpson/ And here: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/16/democrats/index.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: What's More Important For Black Leadership? Turning Off Fox News? Or Stopping the President's Cat Food Commission? http://tinyurl.com/25cmjqx http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/whats-more-important-turning-fox-news-or-stopping-presidents-cat-food-commission
[FairfieldLife] Re: ET morality
Thanks for the tip. I'll look them up. No one else on FFL seems to have poised this Q. I'm wondering if an ethicist, philosopher or social scientist has considered it? The time may be coming in the current century when we feel the need to give it a very close look. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Who has written or theorized about morality in our possible future contacts with ET-s? How could we even evaluate them enough to judge if there is any form of moral code. That means no human analogues. WTF? Sometime back TurquoiseB mentioned Mary Doria Russell's The Sparrow and Children Of God. They are compelling, very well written, and have the crux of your question as a key theme.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palin's Temper
Ray, don't feel discriminated against if I rarely answer your posts. I pick a few posts per day to look at and may, or may not, reply to any of them. I'm not here to change any body's mind about anything and I've noticed very few, if any, instances of that occurring here on FFL. I'm pretty much here to witness all the *peace, love,harmony, and wisdom* generated by lots of long time taters and see where their heads are at. As for the Bush/ Cheney years, they sure beat the heck out of what we have now, by the trillions! We had an economy growing so fast, millions sneaked across the border to take jobs Americans thought they were too good for. Just wished the congress would have taken heed to Bush/McCain warnings about future problems with Fanny May/ Freddy Mac. It just pissed me off when Bush suggested amnesty for illegals and putting them on the big government tit like Obama wants to do now. I guess Bush saw cheap labor to compete with unions and Obama sees another *victim* class to exploit for cheap votes. Anyway the Bush economy was very robust up until about a year after the dems took congress in 2006. Business read the writing on the walls and stopped growing, knowing what was coming down the pike, higher taxes, more regulation and big government. Businesses just will not invest in expansion unless they are certain of a formula for success and a healthy return on their investment and Obama, Reid and Pelosi just do not inspire that confidence in investors with their constant redistribution of wealth schemes of punishing success and rewarding failure. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 7:52:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palin's Temper Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: ROFLMAO! What's the old saying? It takes a Jimmy Carter to make a Ronald Reagan. Well, it takes a Barrack Hussein Obama to create a Sarah Palin! Dix, tell me again what was so grand about George Bush and Dick Cheney, and their War on Terror we heard about day in and day out for 7 years. And wasn't Obama going to lower the shield, and leave the US open to attack? Are you disappointed this hasn't happened? George Bush, and Dick Cheney are conservatives? Are you kidding? In what way? Maybe Obama isn't living up to my expectations. Maybe he is throwing a lot of money around. But look at what we had prior to this. Tell me again. What was so great about George Bush and Dick Cheney? But then again Dix, I notice that you typically ignore, or don't read or at least respond to my posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: That was an interesting response. Many cool points, especially the one about the good guys and the others'! Gives me a LOST flashback. I am not anti control. I also try to keep my eye on the things I can control to improve my life and others. (In that order!) I believe that the otherwise dubious AA, who adopted this prayer: God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference. is brilliant if you just drop the God part. I can just as easily ask myself to stay clear on this distinction and manage how pissed off I am willing to get about shit that just happens. Weather, known douchbags acting like douchbags, my car F'ing, up don't get on the front page of my pissed off meter. In fact my pissed off list is getting pretty short since I faced the death of a loved one and figured out the conveyor belt we are on. (SPOILER ALERT: it doesn't end well.) So every day I am alive starts with a big plus and I give myself a lot of slack for the bumbling way I go about trying to bend the world to my will. I have some pluses, I advance my pawns, I give it the old college try, and try not to be too unkind to my dumbass for not being a superman. Dropping the perfectionist standard of enlightenment was a big help in my own acceptance of my flaws. Yeah, me too - that perfectionism is a heavy burden, especially for TM teachers. Curtis wrote:And since the high and mighty are dropping like flies into the even I am not that much of an asshole bin, I'm spending more time whistling while I work. It seems that we are all bozos on this bus and that suits me just fine. Wayback: Good thoughts, great attitude. The conveyor belt image is, well, I guess grimly true. Basically, it sounds as if you are saying that many of the Enlightenment Industry ideas get in the way of honest living and complicate it too much. So true. I have had to drop a whole ton of spiritual baggage over the years. It's been a interesting journey, and honestly I am glad I have had the spiritual exposure. I think the question you bring up is if people really need religion and spirituality to modify or improve their behavior, or if they would be just as good or even better off without it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Another possibility, Card, is that there is no such thing as support of Nature, and that the very concept is something made up by people who aren't comfortable with Shit Happening That They Can't Explain. In my opinion, everyone in human history has had exactly the same support of Nature. That is, none. Shit just happens, and those who like to pose as knowing WHY shit happens make up theories like support of Nature to pretend they're not just as clueless as everyone else. Excellent point. One of the most interesting changes in my world view having extracted the movement mindset was facing the loss of the illusion of control over the world through my inner state. I get what you are saying. I waver between both views, and while not ever buying into the whole TMO thing as much as you did, I find the opposite view to be really uncomfortable, too. I think the idea of random, plotless, structureless life is terrifying to most of us. Feeling that one can control or at least influence events in our lives is a pretty basic need, and I think that is what this stems from. Since most of us assume that we can make choices in life (toast or eggs for breakfast? which movie to see? who to call on the phone?) -both mundane and more profound- that do tend to improve the happiness in life, it is normal to think of the same process occurring on a grander, more universal scale. Somehow this morphs into what i object to in the TMO and other similar philosophies: the whole karma thing and then the means collect around sattwa idea. This is a very nice idea if you yourself and your loved ones are fine and The Good Guys. It can lead to justifying all sorts of nasty behavior if you look at Others as nasty or bad and not deserving of respect. But back to the main point. Here is what I am thinking these days: It actually does make sense to me that things in creation have a pattern - since everything is a result of the prior state. And I assume that at least at the atomic and cellular levels of life there is a fairly predicable sequence of events as things unfold. Certainly when science cannot find that pattern, the next research involves figuring out just what is
Re: [FairfieldLife] ET morality
emptybill wrote: Who has written or theorized about morality in our possible future contacts with ET-s? How could we even evaluate them enough to judge if there is any form of moral code. That means no human analogues. WTF? NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute in 1960 to do a study on the consequences of contacts with extraterrestrials. One of the supposed conclusions was to keep such contact or discovery of either extraterrestrials or their existence (such as ruins on Mars or even the Moon) kept from the public as it could cause upheaval since it would invalidate a lot of religious beliefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sihk Guru said Kali Yuga now coming to an end
Why would they pay any attention to a Sikh? I believe the Sikh religion started because the Hindu were too passive about Muslims overrunning India. So I suspect you don't know much about Islam? This is a great PBS documentary on it's beginnings and history produced by Muslims for PBS. http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/Islam-Empire-of-Faith/60021655 I know some Indians who say Mohammad was tantric and invented the religion to curb regional wars and the Kaaba has some big Shiva lingams in it (that would make Islam a Shaivite religion). Also like most other religions probably only about 15% practice it and the other 85% only lip service. Their medieval practices need to go but then I'm an equal opportunity religion basher and see them all worthless pieces of crap that need to be consigned to museums.They cause mostly upheavals and were designed as behavioral control systems. Just teach people basic psychology instead and be done with it. I've also watched some good films by Iranian expats who told the story of what was going on in Iran when the Shah fell and how the students who wanted a true democracy were betrayed and got a repressive Islamic regime instead. I've also chatted with Iranian expats because we have some here because the climate is very much the same as Tehran. One fled with her husband when the Shah was felled because they were Christian. Often good to get away from the cracker barrel and meet some folks from other cultures. sgrayatlarge wrote: Maybe somebody should tell the Iranian authorities about the Sihk's great revelation: Iran stoning woman 'to be lashed over photograph' Ms Ashtiani's family say they have not been allowed to contact her in prison for two weeks. The Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery now faces being whipped for indecency, her son says. Iranian authorities sentenced Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani to 99 lashes after the Times newspaper published a picture purportedly of her without a headscarf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: overhead said by Hari Nam Singh Khalsa on TV. but we heard that from Maharishi already.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Unless they are computer engineers most Indians aren't all that computer literate. Believe me I often have to do tech support for my tantra guru. ;-) Sal Sunshine wrote: On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: I switched him over to no email last night. You might also want to switch him over to no light on upstairs today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Selvadurai Nagappan selvadotcom@ wrote: Please dot't send any message. Thanks Rgds Durai Dear Please RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) and realize that you can turn off email messages from Fairfield Life yourself on the Yahoo website, and that only a clueless newb thinks he accomplishes this by making repetitive and barely literate posts to the very forum he wants to turn off. 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ 2. Login 3. Click Edit Membership 4. Under Step 2 Message Delivery, select Web Only 5. Save Changes 6. Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave. Fkof Unc
[FairfieldLife] What is common between Ahmadinejad and Hitler?
What is common between Ahmadinejad and Hitler? Both have Jewish roots?? According to Daily Telegraph, A's former family name was Jewish Sabourjian!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ET morality
On Sep 5, 2010, at 1:49 PM, emptybill wrote: Thanks for the tip. I'll look them up. No one else on FFL seems to have poised this Q. I'm wondering if an ethicist, philosopher or social scientist has considered it? The time may be coming in the current century when we feel the need to give it a very close look. Tibetan Buddhism and Hinduism (and many other cultures) recognize a species of interbeing that corresponds to the frequently observed greys of modern angelic and daemonic mythos. Generally the people who are having provocations (abduction experiences, etc.) of such (actually terrestrial) beings, in a previous existence, or in the current one, have damaged ecosystems involving water. Of course, if you don't believe in reincarnation, you could parse it as subconscious elements or even neurological shadows of our reptilian brains or something else. For example, this morality, across time would mean that modern day humans involved the Deepwater Horizon disaster would, in some future life, possibly be tormented by greys. Disease of the skin, etc. Unfortunately humans, having relatively short lifespan durations, can't easily deal with beings whose lifespans are vastly longer than theirs. Hell, they can't even get along with other humans, in their own time-scale! This is just one example. As with any beings, you have a number of reasons why people in another dimensions of existence would happen upon them. Since their scale of time is much, much longer than human beings, humans generally don't notice them. That's also why their vehicles (UFO's) seem to appear so quickly relative to human-time, they're really in a much longer time-frame. Thus judging them moralistically via human life is only relatively meaningful.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ET morality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Thanks for the tip. I'll look them up. No one else on FFL seems to have poised this Q. I'm wondering if an ethicist, philosopher or social scientist has considered it? It has been considered in science fiction since its earliest days, and well. All of the best SF authors know the limitation they labor under. They may be trying to write about alien civil- izations, but they just can't be too alien. If they were, their readers could not identify, and thus they cannot sell their fiction. As a result, most aliens are pretty much like us. But this does not mean that these authors have not tried to portray aliens who were *not* like us. This theme -- one species with its own view of what ethics entails meeting another with an entirely different, not only incompatible but *inconceivable* view -- has been dealt with often in classic science fiction. Might I recommend, as a starting point, a story by Terry Carr in World's Best Science Fiction 1969 called The Dance of the Changer and the Three. Brilliant. Or many of the works of Ursula K. Le Guin, especially The Left Hand of Darkness and Rocannon's World. The time may be coming in the current century when we feel the need to give it a very close look. As Ray Bradbury once wrote about what he did for a living, 'We do this not to predict the future but to prevent it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Who has written or theorized about morality in our possible future contacts with ET-s? How could we even evaluate them enough to judge if there is any form of moral code. That means no human analogues. WTF? Sometime back TurquoiseB mentioned Mary Doria Russell's The Sparrow and Children Of God. They are compelling, very well written, and have the crux of your question as a key theme.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Babaji's problem with Palin's power
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: I think the question you bring up is if people really need religion and spirituality to modify or improve their behavior, or if they would be just as good or even better off without it. Or, is there another way of doing things that provides the Good Stuff about religion and spirituality -- the stuff that actually inspires and uplifts and helps people -- without all the fuckin' baggage?
Re: [FairfieldLife] ET morality
On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute in 1960 to do a study on the consequences of contacts with extraterrestrials. One of the supposed conclusions was to keep such contact or discovery of either extraterrestrials or their existence (such as ruins on Mars or even the Moon) kept from the public as it could cause upheaval since it would invalidate a lot of religious beliefs. No kidding! Especially since it looks like half the time extraterrestrials are what's running Washington. Sure would invalidate my religious beliefs~~if I had any. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report Um, do you believe everything you read, Bhair? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Burning Man, from space
A couple of close friends of mine are there now. Even though my apartment is air-conditioned and the desert is not, I kinda envy them. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/55083981_e431957ca1_o.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] ET morality
Sal Sunshine wrote: On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute in 1960 to do a study on the consequences of contacts with extraterrestrials. One of the supposed conclusions was to keep such contact or discovery of either extraterrestrials or their existence (such as ruins on Mars or even the Moon) kept from the public as it could cause upheaval since it would invalidate a lot of religious beliefs. No kidding! Especially since it looks like half the time extraterrestrials are what's running Washington. Sure would invalidate my religious beliefs~~if I had any. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report Um, do you believe everything you read, Bhair? Sal No, but the Brookings Report has been discussed for years. Sorry you're late to the party. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Burning Man, from space
TurquoiseB wrote: A couple of close friends of mine are there now. Even though my apartment is air-conditioned and the desert is not, I kinda envy them. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/55083981_e431957ca1_o.jpg Live stream from Burning Man. Not sure if you can see it in Europe though: http://www.ustream.tv/burningman Seems to be stuck at the moment (chatroom thinks so).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Burning Man, from space
I already know I do very poorly in a hot desert environment, and the huge dust cloud blowing through on that live streaming video makes me especially happy that I'm not there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: A couple of close friends of mine are there now. Even though my apartment is air-conditioned and the desert is not, I kinda envy them. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/55083981_e431957ca1_o.jpg Live stream from Burning Man. Not sure if you can see it in Europe though: http://www.ustream.tv/burningman Seems to be stuck at the moment (chatroom thinks so).
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: ET morality
Yep, I agree. Considering that most SciFi is human story telling, it can't go too far in imaginings that are outside the envelope. At least Starship Troopers assumed that contact with intelligent Bugs quickly would become a race to annihilate the Other. However, Arthur C. Clark's novel, Childhood's End, came close to positing the Other (not the look-like-devils) as inconceivable rather than merely dangerous. Considering that 75% of our galaxy's stars are in the hub, are 25-45% older than our local solar system and are only 1-2 light years apart, the chances of inhabited planets has got to be even higher than current speculation. This might also explain why we have not been visited by ET's. We are just too far away ... way out on the archipelagos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Thanks for the tip. I'll look them up. No one else on FFL seems to have poised this Q. I'm wondering if an ethicist, philosopher or social scientist has considered it? It has been considered in science fiction since its earliest days, and well. All of the best SF authors know the limitation they labor under. They may be trying to write about alien civil- izations, but they just can't be too alien. If they were, their readers could not identify, and thus they cannot sell their fiction. As a result, most aliens are pretty much like us. But this does not mean that these authors have not tried to portray aliens who were *not* like us. This theme -- one species with its own view of what ethics entails meeting another with an entirely different, not only incompatible but *inconceivable* view -- has been dealt with often in classic science fiction. Might I recommend, as a starting point, a story by Terry Carr in World's Best Science Fiction 1969 called The Dance of the Changer and the Three. Brilliant. Or many of the works of Ursula K. Le Guin, especially The Left Hand of Darkness and Rocannon's World. The time may be coming in the current century when we feel the need to give it a very close look. As Ray Bradbury once wrote about what he did for a living, 'We do this not to predict the future but to prevent it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Who has written or theorized about morality in our possible future contacts with ET-s? How could we even evaluate them enough to judge if there is any form of moral code. That means no human analogues. WTF? Sometime back TurquoiseB mentioned Mary Doria Russell's The Sparrow and Children Of God. They are compelling, very well written, and have the crux of your question as a key theme.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday FFL
Happy Birthday, FFL and founder Rick! Under the influence of maya, Brahman appears as Ishvara, the personal God, who exists on the celestial level of life, in the subtlest field of creation. In a similar manner, under the influence of avidya, atman appears as jiva, or individual soul. - MMY --- On Sun, 9/5/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday FFL To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:18 AM Today is our 9th birthday. 255,824 posts.
[FairfieldLife] Dexter Season 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUbCMbW-BREfeature=channel I can't wait!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is common between Ahmadinejad and Hitler?
Some writers noted that Hitler was a Catholic at one time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: What is common between Ahmadinejad and Hitler? Both have Jewish roots?? According to Daily Telegraph, A's former family name was Jewish Sabourjian!
