date:20110602

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread John

According to jyotish, it's not easy to become a guru.  One must have an 
inherent strenght in the Vimsamsa chart of spirituality in order to realize the 
potential of being a guru.  One can be either married or a bramachari to 
realize this potential.  If these steps are not taken, the potential for being 
a guru will not happen.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread merudanda

you  Snake Charmer  you
http://tinyurl.com/3sqqdfv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsVmu1PaiJs&feature=player_embedded#at=70
bingo BINGO BINGO BINGO

but since  read your post at  "Sri Kumaré FREE blog"
to find out my  Sri Kumaré mantra means "Be all you can be,"
I am terrible in Limbo LimboLimbo Limb [:((]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
snip
> Say it ain't so - tell us he's just your "web-associate"!
>
http://www.kumare.org/teachings/

I am so so so afraid to  look in the mirror and practise the Sri
Kumaré method now

to  became a Aghori ascetic

so I cannot cut my hair or shave my beard --what other choice do I have
than to became a  GU-RU
(You can email us at i...@kumare.org)
Where  was our my ransaka viking  friend Card de Maister of
transliteration when we needed him most??!!If I had knew in advance
about the wrong spelling of 'aadarsha' I would not fall in this Sri
Kumaré trap.Believing that the Hindi word aadarsh means ideal,
perfect, suitable to be emulated or a principle that deserves to be
followed.OMG .
Does not a mirror faithfully reflects whatever is placed before it and
does in Sanskrit, aadarsh came to be applied to copies of books, a
pattern or anything that could be copied? Doesn't in the old time the
copy of a work to be called an aadarsh as it faithfully reproduced the
original, doing the work of a mirror. When this word was incorporated
into Hindi the folk etymological interpretation of it did not become
`being good enough to imitate'  further expanded to include
anything that was imitable?
Sri Kumaré has not to be imitated aadarsh-ed*? What a loss to be now
a ex-Sri Kumaré TB [:((]

Love Guru Trailer:
http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j 

Guru Pitka:
http://tinyurl.com/5ttvtvk 
the Deep Chop wood Cutter as aSuper guru to tell you "You do not need a
guru"lol

*aadarsh-ed sounds like "im Arsch"(!)is the translation in "
fouled/fucked up beyond all recognition/repair" correct, Card de
Maister? Whatever- the Love Guru described it  more easier to understand
with this mudraa

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread merudanda

The trailer on the film's official website gives no indication of
the film's funny side. They encounter and interview a variety of
spiritual leaders, including other gurus and swamis in India that are
"trying to out guru each other," and Gabriel of Urantia, the
head of a religious order that believes he will save them from the
apocalypse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jC37vfXuOg
http://www.gabrielofurantia.net/#
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> Rick,good prep for your coming interviews?(!) [:D] Buck should invite
> HIM to Fairfield..for:
> Decompress with Blue Light Meditation
>   Hectic day?  Take a deep breath and relax with Sri Kumaré's led
> Blue Light Meditation.Kumare Movie Teaserhttp://tinyurl.com/4xgczcg

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
>
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.ht\
\
> ml
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday, Marilyn Monroe: 85 Rare Photos

2011-06-02 Thread John

Those are the main features of her chart.  If you know the basics of jyotish, 
you can't argue with it.

Just for the record, the jyotish chart, which includes the various vargas or 
divisions, shows the potential or probabilities of one's life and activities.  
In that sense, it is similar to drawing the location of an electron in Hilbert 
space.  But in reality the electron is always vibrating and one can only 
surmise the probability of where it is located at any given space and time.

Nonetheless, the role of consiousness has an effect on our individual 
activities as it does in the observation of electron particles or photons.  As 
such, the effects of the gunas or the planets can be altered to a certain 
extent by mantras.

Thanks anyway for your observations.

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> No one, but no one can draw a bullseye around an arrow like you John.  But at 
> least Ravi had the courage to take me up on the challenge I made to you for a 
> Jyotish reading.  And you gotta love your profound second paragraph.  Really, 
> that is a pretty profound insight.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Marilyn had the Moon in the 7th house which contributed to her popularity.  
> > The 7th lord Saturn was exalted in the 4th house which allowed her to marry 
> > older and famous men.  Joe DiMaggio was one of them.
> > 
> > Nontheless, her star power still exists today which outlasted her own short 
> > life.
>

[FairfieldLife] Larkin

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu

http://visionaryartgallery.weebly.com/larkin.html

[FairfieldLife] Ernst Fuchs museum

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu

http://visionaryartgallery.weebly.com/ernst-fuchs.html

[FairfieldLife] Garden Kitty

2011-06-02 Thread yifuxero

http://home.gwi.net/~gwens/gardenkitty.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bears

2011-06-02 Thread seventhray1


Too little, too late.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" yifuxero@ wrote:
> >
> > by Casey Weldon
>
> >http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/48582.jpg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bears

2011-06-02 Thread seventhray1


you mean "bares", cuz that all we got Yifu.  Pulling the 'ol bait and
switch.  Draw us in with an expectation of cuddly bears, and then slam
us with a  bare post.  Very clever.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> by Casey Weldon
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday, Marilyn Monroe: 85 Rare Photos

2011-06-02 Thread seventhray1

No one, but no one can draw a bullseye around an arrow like you John.  But at 
least Ravi had the courage to take me up on the challenge I made to you for a 
Jyotish reading.  And you gotta love your profound second paragraph.  Really, 
that is a pretty profound insight.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Marilyn had the Moon in the 7th house which contributed to her popularity.  
> The 7th lord Saturn was exalted in the 4th house which allowed her to marry 
> older and famous men.  Joe DiMaggio was one of them.
> 
> Nontheless, her star power still exists today which outlasted her own short 
> life.

[FairfieldLife] Biz vs Beastie

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu

by Casey Weldon
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/48584.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bears

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> by Casey Weldon

>http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/48582.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Bears

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu

by Casey Weldon

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Enlightened Cuckoo Clock

2011-06-02 Thread emptybill

Not to worry. You were constrained by forces beyond your control.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
>
> I intend to reply to this last post of yours in response to my
response to your original post regarding free will, but I have not had
time to study it, so it might be a few days.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:  . . . .  .   .   .   .   .
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread seventhray1



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
>
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.ht\
ml
>

Get your money for nothing and your chicks for free!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Enlightened Cuckoo Clock

2011-06-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius

I intend to reply to this last post of yours in response to my response to your 
original post regarding free will, but I have not had time to study it, so it 
might be a few days.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:  . . . .  .   .   .   .   .

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Rich Text Editor Encoding Test " " " " “ ” â ï¿½�

2011-06-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius

The system may be limiting the number of graphics to conserve bandwidth. It is 
expected that the bandwidth requirements of the Internet will quadruple in just 
the next 4-5 years as video continues to draw more and more bandwidth. Service 
providers are already trying to cap heavy users. Still images also take 
considerably more bandwidth than text or HTML, and there can be bandwidth 
savings here too.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> It has also started being picky about how many graphics
> you can paste in. In the past I was able to add 2-3 
> graphics to the same post, no problem. Now when I do 
> that it allows me to send the post, but displays 
> "Truncated at ??K" at the bottom, and shows only the
> first one. 
> 
> Also, as you'll notice if you try to view this post 
> in a browser using the Yahoo reader, it does not 
> support extended characters in Subject lines. The
> same characters that work fine in the body of a post
> turn into ASCIIcrap in Subject lines.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > This is a test of Fairfield Life's Yahoo Groups Rich Text Editor, to see
> > how it supports standardised character encoding.
> > 
> > 1. Straight Double Quotes (HTML): " "
> > 2. Straight Double Quotes (XHTML) " "
> > 3. Curly Double Quotes (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â ï¿½�
> > 4. Curly Double Quotes (Windows): â ï¿½� [not legal in
> > UTF-8]
> > 5. Em-Dash (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): ï¿½"
> > 6. Em-Dash: ï¿½" (Windows)
> > 
> > This editor seems to change some content, and certain characters do not
> > seem to display properly, especially when cut and pasted into the
> > subject line which is why some of us might see strange symbols in
> > certain posts. The result also depends on how a web browser is set to
> > display characters,  or how an email reader interprets characters.
> > 
> > The changes made by this editor look OK in preview mode, but once posted
> > the result might be different. This happened to me in a post where a
> > sequence of Greek letters was used, and it looked fine -- until I sent
> > it in.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday, Marilyn Monroe: 85 Rare Photos

2011-06-02 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:16 PM, merudanda wrote:

> A teenaged dark-haired Norma Jeane Baker, future film star Marilyn Monroe, 
> circa 1941.

Amazing.  If that really was taken in 1941,
she was 14 or 15.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread emptybill

So he is the guru of you too?
So what about Vaj?
Will he Step on a Hen to peer at us from a. Safe Height?

Heh Heh.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> emptybill:
> > One of your friends?
> > Or is he another one of your gurus?
> >
> Guru Pitka is an American who was left at the gates of an ashram in
> India as a child and raised by gurus.
>
> Love Guru Trailer:
> http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j 
>
> Guru Pitka:
> http://tinyurl.com/5ttvtvk 
>
>   
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wars are for profit, revolutions for liberty

2011-06-02 Thread WillyTex



> > Romney is all about job creation and that is what Americans
> > are going to vote for...
> >
Bhairitu:
> Romney will never win as Americans won't vote for a 
> cult member.
> 
You're not making any sense. What would a candidate's
faith have to do with U.S. job creation? 

> > "Under normal circumstances, this would be the time for the
> > federal government to take bold action to ward off a double
> > dip. For example, it could put more cash in peoples' pockets
> > while giving employers an extra incentive to hire by exempting
> > the first $20,000 of earnings from payroll taxes, for a year
> > or two..."
> >
> > Read more:
> >
> > 'Back towards a US double-dip'
> > By Robert Reich
> > http://tinyurl.com/5sbj6gp

[FairfieldLife] How friends of Maharishi helped transform this planet

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMN4U-Alqfc&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Køln

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread WillyTex

emptybill:
> One of your friends?
> Or is he another one of your gurus?
>
Guru Pitka is an American who was left at the gates of an ashram in
India as a child and raised by gurus.

Love Guru Trailer:
http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j 

Guru Pitka:
http://tinyurl.com/5ttvtvk

[FairfieldLife] Panorama of Constantinople

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu

by Ivan Aivazovsky
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/46590.jpg

[FairfieldLife] How Maharishs students transformed this planet with music

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdTzBvP0cDI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_JtEY8oZ6s&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl2UkWoN368


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn5r6KscagM&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9yC2xDzC8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcmwp9HMXPs&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZgBhyU4IvQ

[FairfieldLife] Re: What I believe, here and now

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

Hey Turq, given your machine gun writing technique, I have a new appreciation 
for this post for example. As you say, its a rap, and if I read it like you 
wrote it, straight through, no pauses, it comes through possibly more as you 
intend it, as a rap, vs. "a statement". I get it more. Thanks. 

When something is expressed artfully, no matter what the opinion or sentiment, 
I can enjoy the art for what it is. If you remember Diane Arbus's photos. Very 
disturbing, yet really good. Same with Helen Frankenthaler's paintings, or the 
king of disturbed, Edvard Munch. I am not drawing any kind of a comparison 
between you and these other artists, just a similarity in technique that all of 
us share, in order to communicate. Seeing it so obviously in words is a new one 
for me.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Since some on this forum seem to have funny ideas 
> about what exactly I believe, I thought I'd take
> advantage of a work holiday to rap about it, from
> my point of view. What follows is just a rap, One
> Man's Opinion. I make no attempt to claim it's 
> true, let alone Truth. It's just how I see things, 
> based on my subjective experiences and intuition
> following a somewhat spiritual path for over 50 
> years. It does not affect you and what you believe
> in any way *unless you allow it to*. 
> 
> As for the nature of the universe, I believe that
> it is eternal, and was never created. That elimin-
> ates the need for me to ponder a Creator, or God.
> None appears necessary, given my perception of the
> world around me, so given the principles of Occam's
> Razor I postulate that none exists.
> 
> As for whether the universe is real or "Maya," I 
> have no clue, and don't much care. It's real *to me*
> in certain states of attention, less real in others.
> Big whoop. It's a given that one's state of attention
> is the "filter" through which we experience the world
> around us, so *of course* that's going to affect our
> perceptions. 
> 
> What, after all, is "real?" In the dream plane (because
> I studied lucid dreaming for some time, and got pretty
> good at it), I am definitely a "co-creator" of that
> reality. I can cause whole worlds to manifest and then
> play in them. In waking state...uh...not so much. :-)
> 
> However, what I honestly believe is that the universe is
> "co-created," and was not Created by some entity called
> God or the Laws Of Nature. The universe, whether "real"
> or a Maya-like hologram, is IMO co-created by the 
> collective thoughts and actions of all the sentient
> beings that inhabit it. It is the *sum* of all of these
> sentient beings' thoughts and actions. 
> 
> IMO, no one has inherently more power or value in that
> co-creation process than another. Enlightened, schmit-
> ened...if they can't remake the world around them *on
> demand*, in such a way that other sentient beings 
> perceive it as changed, then they ain't got no more
> "creator" status than I have. I think it's a group
> effort.
> 
> That said, IMO *all* members of the group have total 
> free will, and the ability to make their own decisions.
> If you think about it, the idea of karma *can't work*
> if there is no free will. Karma merely produces a set
> of influences, based on past thoughts and actions. But
> those influences are not binding. People *can* change,
> as the result of their own intent and will. If that
> will did not exist, there would be only predestination,
> and that is not how I perceive the world, or even how
> most people perceive it. 
> 
> As for enlightenment, and its possible value, I feel
> that while it may be a neat thing for an individual,
> subjectively, it has absolutely zero objective value,
> and I have seen no evidence that it has any value for
> anyone else other than the person experiencing it.
> In a very real sense, enlightenment is the most selfish
> act a sentient being could perform. It's all about what
> *they* feel and think and experience. 
> 
> Subjectively, I have experience this state from time to
> time. Big whoop. While it was fun at the time, 50 years
> on the path have convinced me that it was no more fun,
> and certainly no more valuable to others, than any other
> state of attention I have experienced. I no longer seek
> enlightenment, and wouldn't cross the street if it were
> being sold for a quarter at a hot dog stand. I am content
> with experiencing the fleeting states of attention that
> come and go for me on a daily basis, and seek no state 
> of attention in particular.
> 
> That said, there is still the element of focus or 
> attention. Although I live in a co-created universe, and
> experience things that were Not Of My Doing, some of 
> them...uh...less than positive, I don't have to focus
> on them to the exclusion of the more positive things.
> I have free will. I can *choose* what to focus my attention
> on. And so I choose to focus it on shinier, happier mind-
> states, and on actions that seem to have a

[FairfieldLife] Romani Goddess Kali Sara

2011-06-02 Thread Yifu

Indian origins of the European Black Goddess.

http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3939

[FairfieldLife] Re: Michelle Obama's "Shotgun" diet

2011-06-02 Thread raunchydog



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> When are people going to learn that we all have different metabolic 
> rates and require different diets.  One shoe size will not fit all nor 
> will one diet.  But then we have the First Lady promoting a new diet 
> standard.  One plate fits all?   Ayurveda and Chinese medicine has 
> recognized the different metabolic rates for centuries.  Reading the 
> story as reported on the NY Times earlier this morning on my cancer 
> inducing smart phone I trundled through the comments (16 pages of them) 
> and not one mentioned metabolic rates.  The most cogent comment was from 
> a Canadian mentioning caution on the fruits as they are carbs too and 
> can through the metabolism off.  In fact some doctors have at least 
> taken to saying "vegetables and some fruits" as opposed to the gleeful 
> "fruits and vegetables."
> 
> And vegetables?  Root or green leafy?  They different effects on the 
> body.  Basically vegetables as well as fruits address a problem of 
> mineral intake and a meat and carbs diet and be deficient in them 
> (unless you are way too alkaline).
> 
> And of course another culprit in all of this: capitalism.  Gotta sell 
> those products even if they are unhealthy for the populace.  "It's good 
> for the economy."
> 
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/02/us-usa-food-usda-idUSTRE7514AC20110602
> 
> and many other news sources on the Internet.
>

The food plate's Mommy State companion, the RFID refrigerator:
http://cs.nyu.edu/~jml414/ui/assign3/smart_refrig.html

Michelle must have gotten her food police inspiration from Woody Allen's 
Sleeper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfrShu_Lp2A

[FairfieldLife] Re: Contributors for the Age of Enligtenment

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytVww5r4Nk0
> 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdTzBvP0cDI

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2011-06-02 Thread FFL PostCount

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[FairfieldLife] Contributors for the Age of Enligtenment

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytVww5r4Nk0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday, Marilyn Monroe: 85 Rare Photos

2011-06-02 Thread tartbrain

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Marilyn had the Moon in the 7th house which contributed to her popularity.  

One in twelve people have moon in 7th. Does this mean 1 in 12 people have the 
similar level of popularity? 

The 7th lord Saturn was exalted in the 4th house which allowed her to marry 
older and famous men.  Joe DiMaggio was one of them.

On in 72 charts have this. Does this mean 1 in 12 people have the similar level 
of popularity?

Or do you need both? Thats one in 864 charts. So does this mean 1  /864 in the 
population are as popular as Marilyn and were allowed to marry older famous 
men? So US alone would have over 300,000 people with such a chart. Amazing, 
there are Marilyn's everywhere. 

(Jeez and are there THAT many older famous men out there to marry these 
Marilyns?)

> 
> Nontheless, her star power still exists today which outlasted her own short 
> life.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
> >
> > In honor of the screen siren's 85th birthday, TIME looks back at the
> > many faces of Marilyn  from barefoot starlet to sexy fashion icon.
> > She's been gone for nearly a half-century, but the bombshell known as
> > Marilyn will forever strike it hot.
> > On Wednesday, which would have been her 85th birthday
> > http://tinyurl.com/3kwuvrv
> > http://tinyurl.com/43m3hgd
> > http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/marilyn-monroe-photos-turn-up-in-nj-man-\
> > studio-20110531
> > http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2074872_2279279,00.html
> > 
> > A teenaged dark-haired Norma Jeane Baker, future film star Marilyn
> > Monroe, circa 1941.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread emptybill

One of your friends?
Or is he another one of your gurus?
Say it ain't so - tell us he's just your "web-associate"!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> The real "Maharishi effect"! ;-)
>
> On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
>
> >
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.ht\
ml
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: CO2 now is travelling to the past:Climate drive Vikings from Greenland

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:



You are on to something but I see it 
slightly different; Maharishi voiced how the world will change and how we will 
experience it by declaring;

"We have today inaugurated the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment"
and
"Heaven will walk on earth in this generation"

As evidenced by recent development in the Middle East this Dawn is not 
localized but global. Everything will change; our economy will change, the 
weather, the seasons, how we interact with each other, but most importantly the 
huge shift in global consciousness is making this planet a better place to be. 

Maharishi, the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Brahmananda Saraswathi 
made this a living reality for all generations to come by His tireless efforts 
year after year, decade after decade. 

Only a truely great Warrior could take that resposibility upon his shoulders 
and usher in The Age of Enlightenment.

At this crucial point in time of human development and the development of this 
planet Maharishi was perhaps the only one to do it, and He did ! 

The results of Maharishis tireless work is unfathomable. 

What we know is that this world is becoming a better place due to the tireless 
efforts of Maharishi, the Masters of Wisdom and all those who have contributed 
to the great transformation we are witnessing today to make this planet a 
better place to be and a better place for all of us to incarnate in the future.


He once told us; "For this to happen, the life had to be sacrified".


He did it, he sacrified His life and by doing so He created the future for this 
planet we now only glimpse.

For this we say; Jai Guru Dev !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9n1bAahg4&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> meditative reflection.  The Sanskrit word "Adarsha" has been translated
> by scholars as "the Ideal", "Mirror", and even as "the Non-Vision."  

Oh shucks!

Now, the correct word for 'mirror' seems to be 'aadarsha'. Puhleeze,
keep in mind that the prefix 'aa' (as in 'aa-nanda', aa-kaasha, etc.)
prolly has (almost?) nothing to do with the negative prefix 'a', as in
a-nanda (joyLESS, cheerLESS).

The translation 'non-vision' seems to be some kind of folk etymological
interpretation of the - obviously wrong - spelling 'adarsha' for
'mirror'??

Re: [FairfieldLife] See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread Vaj

The real "Maharishi effect"! ;-)

On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

> http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday wayback71

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztoSUhbNntQ


I almost forgotten that one, thanks for posting this ! John wrote this, his 
most beloved recording according to himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9n1bAahg4&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: What I believe, here and now

2011-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> 
> And that's it...all I can think of for this particular
> rap. It was written in one quick typing spurt, in about
> ten minutes, sitting in a Dutch cafe over coffee, with 
> no editing and no pauses. 

Strangely enough some posters on this forum seems to believ this myth you are 
trying to create for yourself. Even Jim "appear" to buy your bluff.

Others who knows how many hours you put into posting on FFL and other forums 
daily; not so much. :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday, Marilyn Monroe: 85 Rare Photos

2011-06-02 Thread John

Marilyn had the Moon in the 7th house which contributed to her popularity.  The 
7th lord Saturn was exalted in the 4th house which allowed her to marry older 
and famous men.  Joe DiMaggio was one of them.

Nontheless, her star power still exists today which outlasted her own short 
life.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> In honor of the screen siren's 85th birthday, TIME looks back at the
> many faces of Marilyn  from barefoot starlet to sexy fashion icon.
> She's been gone for nearly a half-century, but the bombshell known as
> Marilyn will forever strike it hot.
> On Wednesday, which would have been her 85th birthday
> http://tinyurl.com/3kwuvrv
> http://tinyurl.com/43m3hgd
> http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/marilyn-monroe-photos-turn-up-in-nj-man-\
> studio-20110531
> http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2074872_2279279,00.html
> 
> A teenaged dark-haired Norma Jeane Baker, future film star Marilyn
> Monroe, circa 1941.
>

[FairfieldLife] This Saturday 12:45. Potluck Picnic and Games Day. Waterworks Park.

2011-06-02 Thread Dick Mays

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Games Day & Potluck Picnic
Waterworks Park
This Saturday, June 4th
12:45 - 4:00pm

You and your family are warmly invited to a community-wide potluck 
picnic and outdoor games day this Saturday, June 4th, at Waterworks 
Park from 12:45 - 4:00pm. (Sorry we got rained out last Sunday!) We 
really hope you can come on Saturday - we're planning for a 
beautiful sunny day for a great event!

We'll have 8 canoes for paddling around the lake. Plus, there will 
be lots of games to play: croquet, volleyball, badminton, frisbee, 
horseshoes, water balloon toss, funny relay races, paper airplanes, 
kite flying, and some surprises, too. Relay races 1:45p, big canoe 
race 2:00p.

Please bring:
* a potluck dish to share, or just food for yourself
* something to sit on, e.g. a folding chair or picnic blanket

This event is free and open to everyone. It is being organized by 
the Invincible America Social Activities Team.

If you have any questions or suggestions, please email Christine 
Loyacano: christine...@windstream.net

Let's all wish for a beautiful, sunny day and a perfect temperature 
to have fun in.

See you there!

IA Social Activities Team

P.S. Unfortunately, the city has closed the beach to swimming due to 
insurance liability concerns. This won't affect our canoeing, and 
city officials assure us that the water quality is fine.

- Invincible America Social Activities Team -

Raja Hagelin's
Ideal Community Group

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday, Marilyn Monroe: 85 Rare Photos

2011-06-02 Thread merudanda

In honor of the screen siren's 85th birthday, TIME looks back at the
many faces of Marilyn  from barefoot starlet to sexy fashion icon.
She's been gone for nearly a half-century, but the bombshell known as
Marilyn will forever strike it hot.
On Wednesday, which would have been her 85th birthday
http://tinyurl.com/3kwuvrv
http://tinyurl.com/43m3hgd
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/marilyn-monroe-photos-turn-up-in-nj-man-\
studio-20110531
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2074872_2279279,00.html

A teenaged dark-haired Norma Jeane Baker, future film star Marilyn
Monroe, circa 1941.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wars are for profit, revolutions for liberty

2011-06-02 Thread Bhairitu

On 06/02/2011 09:06 AM, WillyTex wrote:
>
>>> I figure the unions have driven many companies to seek
>>> cheap labor overseas. Who wants to pay assembly workers
>>> $30 an hour plus benefits? I think the days of buying
>>> American are over - it's a global economy now.
>>>
>>> These are liberals like President Obama at work - there's
>>> no more 'American Business Patriotism' these days. It's
>>> looking like GE has taken control of the White House and
>>> some of our news media!
>>>
>>> It's not going to do any good to yell and scream and
>>> foment a 'revolution' like Bhairitu wants - just think
>>> about who you're voting for next time!
>>>
>>> "We've got to understand there's a fundamental difference
>>> between the competitiveness of these companies and the
>>> competitiveness of America and American workers."
>>> - Robert Reich
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> Willy really is all over the map isn't he? He's now quoting
>> Robert Reich...
>>
> Your political views are radically extreme, but mine are
> mainstream and practical: create jobs so people can make
> good money and pay their own way. You are not going to get
> that by starting a revolution - you'd go broke in a week
> and probably starve to death in a month.

What kind of jobs are you going to create, Willy?   We'd all like to 
know? :-D

What happens when all the work needed is done?

> According Robert Reich, the Dems you voted for have dropped
> the ball on the economy.

And the Republicans created the mess in the first place.  It's kinda 
like they had a party and then expect the Democrats to clean up after it.

> Romney is all about job creation and that is what Americans
> are going to vote for. None of your economic ideas are
> going to be practical - like starting a revolution - that's
> not going to happen, since we already have a democracy. The
> last thing most American voters want is a revolt in the
> streets.
>

Romney will never win as Americans won't vote for a cult member.  Might 
as well run John Hagelin again.

> People want to make good money, not participate in a radical
> protest over the global profits of GE. You don't even take
> part in a tea-party protest! You're all hat, no cattle.

Sure folks want a good income but if someone stands in their way they 
will eventually push them out of the way even if it takes a revolution.  
Wake up!  The establishment is standing in our way.  BTW Willy, serfs 
never were rich.

>
> "Under normal circumstances, this would be the time for the
> federal government to take bold action to ward off a double
> dip. For example, it could put more cash in peoples' pockets
> while giving employers an extra incentive to hire by exempting
> the first $20,000 of earnings from payroll taxes, for a year
> or two..."
>
> Read more:
>
> 'Back towards a US double-dip'
> By Robert Reich
> http://tinyurl.com/5sbj6gp

And do so by getting rid of Republicans who also stand in the way.

You need some smarts Willy.  Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Michelle Obama's "Shotgun" diet

2011-06-02 Thread Bhairitu

When are people going to learn that we all have different metabolic 
rates and require different diets.  One shoe size will not fit all nor 
will one diet.  But then we have the First Lady promoting a new diet 
standard.  One plate fits all?   Ayurveda and Chinese medicine has 
recognized the different metabolic rates for centuries.  Reading the 
story as reported on the NY Times earlier this morning on my cancer 
inducing smart phone I trundled through the comments (16 pages of them) 
and not one mentioned metabolic rates.  The most cogent comment was from 
a Canadian mentioning caution on the fruits as they are carbs too and 
can through the metabolism off.  In fact some doctors have at least 
taken to saying "vegetables and some fruits" as opposed to the gleeful 
"fruits and vegetables."

And vegetables?  Root or green leafy?  They different effects on the 
body.  Basically vegetables as well as fruits address a problem of 
mineral intake and a meat and carbs diet and be deficient in them 
(unless you are way too alkaline).

And of course another culprit in all of this: capitalism.  Gotta sell 
those products even if they are unhealthy for the populace.  "It's good 
for the economy."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/02/us-usa-food-usda-idUSTRE7514AC20110602

and many other news sources on the Internet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL impressions

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

You too - I always enjoy your dispatches from the spiritual 'hood yo.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts :-)
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > After being on here awhile on FFL, I have an impression of good stuff
> regarding as many of us as came to mind -with a nod to Turq's earlier
> list:
> >
> > Turq: Types almost as fast as he thinks, which truly blows me away. As
> close to painting with words that I can come up with. Very cool talent
>  wish I had it (thank God for Word in my case).
> > Also his living now in three countries in a few years  I have
> traveled a lot, but haven't *lived* abroad as an adult, as in had an
> address in several countries, learned the languages, the cultures, and
> earned my livelihood. Amazing. Hats off to you.
> >
> > Curtis: Our FFL street musician/one man band, all round angel of the
> asphalt and philosopher. Performers, people that do stuff to entertain
> others, the troubadours of our age, get a lot of love. good on ya mate.
> >
> > Yifuxero: Your art links are always interesting  some of them
> damned good.
> >
> > Authfriend: A razor's edge, always pristine and unerring in your
> logic. Word smith. Need I say more?
> >
> > Peter: Tropical teacher, drummer, doctor, devotee, the
> doesn't-exist/vanishes in the mist-dude.
> >
> > Nablus: Nordic Bhakti, Jai Guru Dev.
> >
> > Rick Archer: An endless and effective gift for facilitating and
> documenting knowledge exchange; FFL, BATGAP, teacher, and dog owner? Not
> sure about the last one.
> >
> > Sal: She and seventhray often make up the salty, peppery condiments
> for many a paragraph served up here on FFL. Biting wit.
> >
> > Raunchydog: Once you get your teeth into something, it is toast.
> >
> > Seventhray: your asides bust my gut - (see: Sal).
> >
> > Emptybill: piercing and true. I enjoy your sense of humor blended with
> intellect.
> >
> > Willytex: FFL archivist, hands down.
> >
> > Mike Dixon: Another fine wit  with a dose of still waters run
> deep.
> >
> > Buck: All about natural surroundings and the country. A quiet
> presence. Enjoyed your "Burma shave" mantras, though they burned a lot
> of posts.
> >
> > Wayback: Gentle perceptiveness.
> >
> > Ravi: Came in like a tornado, and has settled down to a refreshing,
> sometimes invigorating breeze.
> >
> > Tartbrain: Often walks in on the flip side, the other side of the
> coin, or expands an idea past assumed boundaries, balancing on
> boundaries of the infinite instead. Acrobatics.
> >
> > Vaj: Cool forum name. Enigmatic person.
> >
> > Merlin: TM News crier.
> >
> > Edg: Rides a whachamacalit thingadibobber. Also paints with words.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: CO2 now is travelling to the past:Climate drive Vikings from Greenland

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

Yeah, it hasn't been Summer here yet. The best explanation I came across was 
that the melting of the Arctic is causing a colder Pacific current than usual, 
coupled with more moisture in the atmosphere, gives us a lot more cold rainy 
weather here in the Bay Area than we are used to. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> When I moved to California 20 years ago this week it I recall there was 
> a heat wave that week. This week it's like we're still waiting for 
> spring having had only a "preview" and no season. Usually I can turn the 
> furnace off in April and not back on until November. Not so last year 
> and this one looks worse. The farmers and the farmer's market talk about 
> how the crops were delayed this year due to unseasonably cold weather. 
> One fir tree died and my gardener suggested gophers but there is no 
> evidence of any here. Instead Google, being my friend, it looks like the 
> late season delayed the tree's blooms late enough that aphids were able 
> to get to it. I understand that other parts of the nation had a heat 
> wave over the weekend but in California, Fresno had snow.
> 
> Earlier in the decade I posted a link here to a Pentagon study (done by 
> a Berkeley company) that said North America was actually going to be in 
> for an ice age, not a tropical climate change. Reading the study I 
> visualized North Americans migrating to South America. Our resident 
> anti-climate change folks didn't exactly jump on the report however 
> because it did link climate change to causing this. An SF Chronicle on 
> the story and there are plenty of other stories about it to be found 
> with a search:
> http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-02-25/news/17412454_1_pentagon-spokesman-carbon-dioxide-climate
> 
> 
> On 06/02/2011 06:40 AM, merudanda wrote:
> > Card de Maistre what have you done---how is the weather lately. [;)]
> > Infected by the FLL virus we may say:"Wow we had no idea that our
> > burning of fossil fuels could cause global warming in the past! We are a
> > terrible race(!)We are so bad and the damage we are causing to the
> > environment is promoting such an extensive chaos that the bloody CO2 now
> > is travelling to the past as our "poor" atmosphere is saturated with
> > it...
> > Not to mention that all the carbon imprisoned in the form of coal and
> > oil is going to jail break and escape to the freedom of the clouds and
> > winds...the angels will not be able to watch us any more and we will be
> > forsaken for ever while the devil will stick his fork in our bums
> > through the eternity!
> > OMG!!! We are  so bad!...:)
> > On the other hand we could say it is the difference between regional
> > cooling/warming and global effects. Considering that at the time these
> > changes were taking place (e.g.due to shifts in ocean currents and
> > atmospheric jet streams) there was a strong drought in the mid-west, as
> > winds shifted away from the damp south-eastern air from the Mexican Gulf
> > to the bone-dry air from present-day Mexico and this drought wiped out
> > the Anasazi indian culture .The warming/cooling in Greenland during this
> > period is thus part of a continent-scale rearranging of climate. Other
> > regions outside America generally went on like before.
> > ...but it is not so funny
> >
> > Climate helped drive Vikings from
> > Greenlandhttp://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2011/05/vikings
> >
> > May 30, 2011 |  Contact: Richard Lewis
> >    |401-863-3766  [imagecache
> > imagecache-ursa_feature_image]
> >  >>   Climate clues   William D'Andrea, right, and Yongsong Huang
> > took cores from two lakes in Greenland to reconstruct 5,600 years of
> > climate history near the Norse Western Settlement.   Credit: William
> > D'Andrea/Brown University
> > "Greenland's early Viking settlers were subjected to rapidly
> > changing climate. Temperatures plunged several degrees in a span of
> > decades, according to research from Brown University."
> >
> > "It is interesting to consider how rapid climate change may have
> > impacted past societies, particularly in light of the rapid changes
> > taking place today."
> >
> > `There really was a drop in temperature shortly before the Vikings
> > disappeared.' As a consequence the times for crop growing was
> > shortened and little feed was provided to cattle."
> > Scientists hÐ°Î½Ðµ previously suspected thÐ°t a cooling toward a
> > "Small Ice Age" frÎ¿m thÐµ 1400s gradually shortened
> > growing seasons Ð°nd added tÎ¿ sea ice thÐ°t hampered sailing
> > links wÑth Iceland Î¿r thÐµ Nordic nations.
> >
> > ThÐµ study Ð°lÑÎ¿ traced even earlier swings Ñn thÐµ
> > climate tÎ¿ thÐµ rise Ð°nd fall Î¿f pre-historic peoples
> > Î¿n Greenland starting wÑth thÐµ Saqqaq culture, whÑÑh
> > thrived frÎ¿m Ð°bÎ¿Ït 4,500 years ago tÎ¿ 2,800 years ago.
> >
> > Scientists drÐµÐ°d thÐ°t thÐµ 21st cen

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Rich Text Editor Encoding Test " " " " “ ” â â

2011-06-02 Thread turquoiseb

It has also started being picky about how many graphics
you can paste in. In the past I was able to add 2-3 
graphics to the same post, no problem. Now when I do 
that it allows me to send the post, but displays 
"Truncated at ??K" at the bottom, and shows only the
first one. 

Also, as you'll notice if you try to view this post 
in a browser using the Yahoo reader, it does not 
support extended characters in Subject lines. The
same characters that work fine in the body of a post
turn into ASCIIcrap in Subject lines.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> This is a test of Fairfield Life's Yahoo Groups Rich Text Editor, to see
> how it supports standardised character encoding.
> 
> 1. Straight Double Quotes (HTML): " "
> 2. Straight Double Quotes (XHTML) " "
> 3. Curly Double Quotes (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â â
> 4. Curly Double Quotes (Windows): â â [not legal in
> UTF-8]
> 5. Em-Dash (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â"
> 6. Em-Dash: â" (Windows)
> 
> This editor seems to change some content, and certain characters do not
> seem to display properly, especially when cut and pasted into the
> subject line which is why some of us might see strange symbols in
> certain posts. The result also depends on how a web browser is set to
> display characters,  or how an email reader interprets characters.
> 
> The changes made by this editor look OK in preview mode, but once posted
> the result might be different. This happened to me in a post where a
> sequence of Greek letters was used, and it looked fine -- until I sent
> it in.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Enlightened Cuckoo Clock

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

Xeno, that is an excellent piece of writing, straddling both the determinist 
and free will points of view, and simultaneously bringing them into union wrt 
practical experience. 

On the one hand I find all the automatic parts of my body silently comforting, 
senses, breathing, heartbeat, kidney and liver function, digestion, blood and 
oxygen circulation, excretory capability, etc. perhaps it is this which is at 
the basis of the deterministic point of view, a sense within the body that the 
intelligence to perfectly regulate all of these intricate processes can be seen 
and felt externally as well. 

On the other hand, it is the stability of these autonomic functions that 
provides me a foundation to move beyond them in a spirit of full creativity, 
possibly giving rise to the predominately free will perspective.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Remember the Tea Party guy who famously yelled at his
> congressman, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare"?
> 
> That's Barry: "Keep your determinist hands off my free will!"
> 
> Xeno, excellent job of laying things out. I don't think
> it'll do any more good than explaining to the Tea Partier
> that Medicare has always been in the hands of the
> government, but it was worth a shot. Very well done.
> 
> That's 50 and out for me.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb) speak
> > for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal view of the
> > universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't really think very
> > much of them [the no-free-will adherents]'). Someone pass the crown! I
> > certainly do not know enough to speak for all of existence.
> > 
> > The idea of an enlightened cuckoo clock is not all that bad. A similar
> > idea (unfortunately for those Hindu believers) is found in the
> > Bhagavad-Gita: 'Ishvara, situated in the heart of all beings, Arjuna,
> > causes these beings to move, (as if) being placed on a machine, by
> > virtue of maya.'
> > 
> > In religious terminology, this is called the will of God. However
> > religions that use this model of description do have a problem when they
> > make this God omniscient. This logically eliminates free will on the
> > individual level. God, in this model, exists - why or how we do not
> > know, but this God and will are there, so we can say that it is free, it
> > is a given. So we have will, and the will is free. Everything follows
> > along as if on a machine, a giant cuckoo clock. Enlightenment is giving
> > up the idea that this free will operates on the individual level of sub
> > units of the whole. One then flows in stream of life. What one gives up
> > is the idea that in one's experience, there is an individual (a person)
> > that is separate from whatever is left over outside the person.
> > Everything is actually connected in some way, which seems pretty
> > obvious, but somehow for most people, is not obvious especially when the
> > idea of individual personhood is involved.
> > 
> > Kurt Vonnegut made fun of this idea in one of his novels: by giving Adam
> > free will, God could not predict what Adam would do, and thus God was
> > always surprised, as Adam, having free will on the individual level,
> > would always do something that in principle, could not be predicted. To
> > give an individual free will, God must surrender omniscience, and that
> > of course makes God not such hot stuff.
> > 
> > The Buddha's doctrine of no-self also follows along the lines that the
> > universe is a cuckoo clock. The idea one is an individual soul in this
> > accounting is a mistake. Maybe there are some Buddhists who believe in
> > free will, but the doctrine of no-self means there is no one to have
> > free will. The universe as a whole is what is free, and is responsible
> > for the machinations of the world. This is what science investigates in
> > the attempt to discover universal laws. One of the logical problems in
> > dealing with the relation of the whole to the parts is logic illuminates
> > the relationship of the parts, it sets the part in their 'true'
> > relationship with the whole. But logic itself is a subset of the whole
> > representing the balance of those relationships, so it can never work to
> > explain the entire value of existence.
> > 
> > Your conclusions about enlightenment resulting in coming to the view
> > that one is an automaton certainly follows, but even if that is in fact
> > true, why is that some how sad? The universe remains the same,
> > enlightenment does not change the universe.
> > 
> > This does not lessen having a human body in our vicinity, that seems to
> > be the focus of our experience, it just widens the perspective through
> > which we understand what is happening. All the fun and sorrow of life is
> > in forgetting that it is all just a cuckoo clock. One does not become a
> > soggy

Re: [FairfieldLife] CO2 now is travelling to the past:Climate drive Vikings from Greenland

2011-06-02 Thread Bhairitu

When I moved to California 20 years ago this week it I recall there was 
a heat wave that week. This week it's like we're still waiting for 
spring having had only a "preview" and no season. Usually I can turn the 
furnace off in April and not back on until November. Not so last year 
and this one looks worse. The farmers and the farmer's market talk about 
how the crops were delayed this year due to unseasonably cold weather. 
One fir tree died and my gardener suggested gophers but there is no 
evidence of any here. Instead Google, being my friend, it looks like the 
late season delayed the tree's blooms late enough that aphids were able 
to get to it. I understand that other parts of the nation had a heat 
wave over the weekend but in California, Fresno had snow.

Earlier in the decade I posted a link here to a Pentagon study (done by 
a Berkeley company) that said North America was actually going to be in 
for an ice age, not a tropical climate change. Reading the study I 
visualized North Americans migrating to South America. Our resident 
anti-climate change folks didn't exactly jump on the report however 
because it did link climate change to causing this. An SF Chronicle on 
the story and there are plenty of other stories about it to be found 
with a search:
http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-02-25/news/17412454_1_pentagon-spokesman-carbon-dioxide-climate


On 06/02/2011 06:40 AM, merudanda wrote:
> Card de Maistre what have you done---how is the weather lately. [;)]
> Infected by the FLL virus we may say:"Wow we had no idea that our
> burning of fossil fuels could cause global warming in the past! We are a
> terrible race(!)We are so bad and the damage we are causing to the
> environment is promoting such an extensive chaos that the bloody CO2 now
> is travelling to the past as our "poor" atmosphere is saturated with
> it...
> Not to mention that all the carbon imprisoned in the form of coal and
> oil is going to jail break and escape to the freedom of the clouds and
> winds...the angels will not be able to watch us any more and we will be
> forsaken for ever while the devil will stick his fork in our bums
> through the eternity!
> OMG!!! We are  so bad!...:)
> On the other hand we could say it is the difference between regional
> cooling/warming and global effects. Considering that at the time these
> changes were taking place (e.g.due to shifts in ocean currents and
> atmospheric jet streams) there was a strong drought in the mid-west, as
> winds shifted away from the damp south-eastern air from the Mexican Gulf
> to the bone-dry air from present-day Mexico and this drought wiped out
> the Anasazi indian culture .The warming/cooling in Greenland during this
> period is thus part of a continent-scale rearranging of climate. Other
> regions outside America generally went on like before.
> ...but it is not so funny
>
> Climate helped drive Vikings from
> Greenlandhttp://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2011/05/vikings
>
> May 30, 2011 |  Contact: Richard Lewis
>    |401-863-3766  [imagecache
> imagecache-ursa_feature_image]
> >   Climate clues   William D'Andrea, right, and Yongsong Huang
> took cores from two lakes in Greenland to reconstruct 5,600 years of
> climate history near the Norse Western Settlement.   Credit: William
> D'Andrea/Brown University
> "Greenland's early Viking settlers were subjected to rapidly
> changing climate. Temperatures plunged several degrees in a span of
> decades, according to research from Brown University."
>
> "It is interesting to consider how rapid climate change may have
> impacted past societies, particularly in light of the rapid changes
> taking place today."
>
> `There really was a drop in temperature shortly before the Vikings
> disappeared.' As a consequence the times for crop growing was
> shortened and little feed was provided to cattle."
> Scientists hÐ°Î½Ðµ previously suspected thÐ°t a cooling toward a
> "Small Ice Age" frÎ¿m thÐµ 1400s gradually shortened
> growing seasons Ð°nd added tÎ¿ sea ice thÐ°t hampered sailing
> links wÑ–th Iceland Î¿r thÐµ Nordic nations.
>
> ThÐµ study Ð°lÑ•Î¿ traced even earlier swings Ñ–n thÐµ
> climate tÎ¿ thÐµ rise Ð°nd fall Î¿f pre-historic peoples
> Î¿n Greenland starting wÑ–th thÐµ Saqqaq culture, whÑ–Ñ�h
> thrived frÎ¿m Ð°bÎ¿Ï…t 4,500 years ago tÎ¿ 2,800 years ago.
>
> Scientists drÐµÐ°d thÐ°t thÐµ 21st century warming Ñ–Ñ•
> caused bÑƒ climate change, stoked bÑƒ a build-up Î¿f
> conservatory gases frÎ¿m human activities. An acceleration Î¿f
> warming Ñ�Î¿Ï…ld produce a meltdown Î¿f thÐµ Greenland ice
> page, raising planet sea levels.
>
> "Yifu" can you contribute some nice pictures?(!)Angels not  able to
> watch us any more and the devil sticks his fork in our bums through the
> eternity?
>
>
>
>
>
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL impressions

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

Thanks. some people were stickier than others in my mind when I wrote the 
list.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Whynot, Dick Mays too.  He is an important player here.  Foundational 
> perspective, from the beginning of FFL.
> 
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts :-)
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > After being on here awhile on FFL, I have an impression of good stuff
> > regarding as many of us as came to mind -with a nod to Turq's earlier
> > list:
> > >
> > > Turq: Types almost as fast as he thinks, which truly blows me away. As
> > close to painting with words that I can come up with. Very cool talent
> >  wish I had it (thank God for Word in my case).
> > > Also his living now in three countries in a few years  I have
> > traveled a lot, but haven't *lived* abroad as an adult, as in had an
> > address in several countries, learned the languages, the cultures, and
> > earned my livelihood. Amazing. Hats off to you.
> > >
> > > Curtis: Our FFL street musician/one man band, all round angel of the
> > asphalt and philosopher. Performers, people that do stuff to entertain
> > others, the troubadours of our age, get a lot of love. good on ya mate.
> > >
> > > Yifuxero: Your art links are always interesting  some of them
> > damned good.
> > >
> > > Authfriend: A razor's edge, always pristine and unerring in your
> > logic. Word smith. Need I say more?
> > >
> > > Peter: Tropical teacher, drummer, doctor, devotee, the
> > doesn't-exist/vanishes in the mist-dude.
> > >
> > > Nablus: Nordic Bhakti, Jai Guru Dev.
> > >
> > > Rick Archer: An endless and effective gift for facilitating and
> > documenting knowledge exchange; FFL, BATGAP, teacher, and dog owner? Not
> > sure about the last one.
> > >
> > > Sal: She and seventhray often make up the salty, peppery condiments
> > for many a paragraph served up here on FFL. Biting wit.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog: Once you get your teeth into something, it is toast.
> > >
> > > Seventhray: your asides bust my gut - (see: Sal).
> > >
> > > Emptybill: piercing and true. I enjoy your sense of humor blended with
> > intellect.
> > >
> > > Willytex: FFL archivist, hands down.
> > >
> > > Mike Dixon: Another fine wit  with a dose of still waters run
> > deep.
> > >
> > > Buck: All about natural surroundings and the country. A quiet
> > presence. Enjoyed your "Burma shave" mantras, though they burned a lot
> > of posts.
> > >
> > > Wayback: Gentle perceptiveness.
> > >
> > > Ravi: Came in like a tornado, and has settled down to a refreshing,
> > sometimes invigorating breeze.
> > >
> > > Tartbrain: Often walks in on the flip side, the other side of the
> > coin, or expands an idea past assumed boundaries, balancing on
> > boundaries of the infinite instead. Acrobatics.
> > >
> > > Vaj: Cool forum name. Enigmatic person.
> > >
> > > Merlin: TM News crier.
> > >
> > > Edg: Rides a whachamacalit thingadibobber. Also paints with words.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wars are for profit, revolutions for liberty

2011-06-02 Thread WillyTex



> > I figure the unions have driven many companies to seek
> > cheap labor overseas. Who wants to pay assembly workers
> > $30 an hour plus benefits? I think the days of buying
> > American are over - it's a global economy now.
> >
> > These are liberals like President Obama at work - there's
> > no more 'American Business Patriotism' these days. It's
> > looking like GE has taken control of the White House and
> > some of our news media!
> >
> > It's not going to do any good to yell and scream and
> > foment a 'revolution' like Bhairitu wants - just think
> > about who you're voting for next time!
> >
> > "We've got to understand there's a fundamental difference
> > between the competitiveness of these companies and the
> > competitiveness of America and American workers."
> > - Robert Reich
> >
Bhairitu:
> Willy really is all over the map isn't he? He's now quoting 
> Robert Reich...
> 
Your political views are radically extreme, but mine are
mainstream and practical: create jobs so people can make
good money and pay their own way. You are not going to get
that by starting a revolution - you'd go broke in a week
and probably starve to death in a month.

According Robert Reich, the Dems you voted for have dropped 
the ball on the economy.

Romney is all about job creation and that is what Americans
are going to vote for. None of your economic ideas are
going to be practical - like starting a revolution - that's
not going to happen, since we already have a democracy. The
last thing most American voters want is a revolt in the
streets. 

People want to make good money, not participate in a radical 
protest over the global profits of GE. You don't even take
part in a tea-party protest! You're all hat, no cattle.
 
"Under normal circumstances, this would be the time for the 
federal government to take bold action to ward off a double 
dip. For example, it could put more cash in peoples' pockets 
while giving employers an extra incentive to hire by exempting 
the first $20,000 of earnings from payroll taxes, for a year 
or two..."

Read more:

'Back towards a US double-dip'
By Robert Reich 
http://tinyurl.com/5sbj6gp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday wayback71

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztoSUhbNntQ

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Today is wayback71's birthday. Happy Birthday and thanks for your
> contributions! It's also my sister's birthday, but she's not on FFL.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Rich Text Editor Encoding Test " " " " “ ” â â

2011-06-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius

  I had not thought of using an entire HTML page, as these posts will
display in an HTML page, which already has the basic HTML layout and
multiple tags are not good. But a test shows that many HTML tags get
stripped out after leaving the HTML source view, and character encodings
change, not only between preview and editing mode, but between preview,
editing, and actually posting. The yahoo groups page is in HTML 4.01
(but the code seems to be XHTML which is not right) and the character
set is not defined, so browsers in which the page is viewed will display
these odd characters differently depending on their settings. A certain
lack of consistency.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> Also, you might try using standard HTML in the rich-text editor.
> >
> Xenophaneros Anartaxius:
> > This is a test of Fairfield Life's Yahoo Groups
> > Rich Text Editor, to see how it supports
> > standardised character encoding.
> >
> > 1. Straight Double Quotes (HTML): " "
> > 2. Straight Double Quotes (XHTML) " "
> > 3. Curly Double Quotes (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â
> â
> > 4. Curly Double Quotes (Windows): â â [not legal
in
> > UTF-8]
> > 5. Em-Dash (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): ï¿½"
> > 6. Em-Dash: ï¿½" (Windows)
> >
> > This editor seems to change some content, and
> > certain characters do not seem to display properly,
> > especially when cut and pasted into the subject line
> > which is why some of us might see strange symbols in
> > certain posts. The result also depends on how a web
> > browser is set to display characters,  or how an
> > email reader interprets characters.
> >
> > The changes made by this editor look OK in preview
> > mode, but once posted the result might be different.
> > This happened to me in a post where a sequence of Greek
> > letters was used, and it looked fine -- until I sent
> > it in.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] See how easy it is to be a fake guru and fool people

2011-06-02 Thread Rick Archer

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,971515233001_2075202,00.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Rich Text Editor Encoding Test " " " " “ ” â â

2011-06-02 Thread WillyTex

Also, you might try using standard HTML in the rich-text editor.




Xenophaneros Anartaxius:
> This is a test of Fairfield Life's Yahoo Groups
> Rich Text Editor, to see how it supports
> standardised character encoding.
>
> 1. Straight Double Quotes (HTML): " "
> 2. Straight Double Quotes (XHTML) " "
> 3. Curly Double Quotes (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â
â
> 4. Curly Double Quotes (Windows): â â [not legal in
> UTF-8]
> 5. Em-Dash (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â"
> 6. Em-Dash: â" (Windows)
>
> This editor seems to change some content, and
> certain characters do not seem to display properly,
> especially when cut and pasted into the subject line
> which is why some of us might see strange symbols in
> certain posts. The result also depends on how a web
> browser is set to display characters,  or how an
> email reader interprets characters.
>
> The changes made by this editor look OK in preview
> mode, but once posted the result might be different.
> This happened to me in a post where a sequence of Greek
> letters was used, and it looked fine -- until I sent
> it in.
>

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday wayback71

2011-06-02 Thread Rick Archer

Today is wayback71's birthday. Happy Birthday and thanks for your
contributions! It's also my sister's birthday, but she's not on FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Enlightened Cuckoo Clock

2011-06-02 Thread WillyTex



turquoiseb:
> My guess is that at least 95% of the people 
> on the planet who believe that there is no 
> free will do so because of SOMETHING THEY 
> WERE TOLD. By the spiritual teacher, scrip-
> tures, or religions they grew up with or 
> adopted later...
>
99.9% of everything we know, we know because
it's SOMETHING WE WERE TOLD. Almost everything
you know is gained from the three valid means 
of knowledge: inference (observation), verbal 
testimony (guru, teacher), and the scriptures 
(books).

We do not know anything apriori, that is, we
do not know anything about a spiritual path
or 'enlightenment' unless we read about it,
or we are told about it. 

So, your belief in a 'free will' you either
read about or were told about. We cannot infer
a free will from experience because there is
nothing in the percieved world that would
indicate a a will or free will - that's is a 
metaphysical idea.

So, it is a surprise that Barry would now
adopt an idealist point of view! Can anyone
figure this out?

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL impressions

2011-06-02 Thread whynotnow7

Cool - Lots of birds here too, including hummingbirds and a red tail hawk. Last 
time we saw the hawk up close, he dove into the yard for some fast food.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of whynotnow7
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:59 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL impressions
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> any birds, insects, or fish?
> 
> Plenty of birds and insects. We feed the former.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> > On Behalf Of whynotnow7
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:55 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL impressions
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rick Archer: An endless and effective gift for facilitating and
> documenting
> > knowledge exchange; FFL, BATGAP, teacher, and dog owner? Not sure about
> the
> > last one.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, two. And one cat.
>

[FairfieldLife] FFL Rich Text Editor Encoding Test " " " " “ ” â â

2011-06-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius


This is a test of Fairfield Life's Yahoo Groups Rich Text Editor, to see
how it supports standardised character encoding.

1. Straight Double Quotes (HTML): " "
2. Straight Double Quotes (XHTML) " "
3. Curly Double Quotes (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â â
4. Curly Double Quotes (Windows): â â [not legal in
UTF-8]
5. Em-Dash (Unicode UTF-8 / Mac OS X): â"
6. Em-Dash: â" (Windows)

This editor seems to change some content, and certain characters do not
seem to display properly, especially when cut and pasted into the
subject line which is why some of us might see strange symbols in
certain posts. The result also depends on how a web browser is set to
display characters,  or how an email reader interprets characters.

The changes made by this editor look OK in preview mode, but once posted
the result might be different. This happened to me in a post where a
sequence of Greek letters was used, and it looked fine -- until I sent
it in.

[FairfieldLife] Free Will (And Why You Still Donât Have It) Sam Harris (again)

2011-06-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius


The current discussion threads of free will on FFL began with
tartbrain's post of a portion of a blog article by Sam Harris. Harris
has added an additional post on his blog as the response to what he
wrote was somewhat intense. He wrote:

   'My last post on free will elicited a very heated response. Many
readers sent emails questioning my sanity, and several asked to be
permanently removed from my mailing list. Many others wrote to share the
Good News that quantum mechanics has liberated the human mind from the
prison of determinism. It seems I touched a nerve. '

The additional material he wrote in defense of his position may be found
at:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/free-will-why-you-still-dont-have-it/


This message has been brought to you by unconscious brain activity that
has just surfaced as conscious thought and action.

[FairfieldLife] CO2 now is travelling to the past:Climate drive Vikings from Greenland

2011-06-02 Thread merudanda

Card de Maistre what have you done---how is the weather lately. [;)]
Infected by the FLL virus we may say:"Wow we had no idea that our
burning of fossil fuels could cause global warming in the past! We are a
terrible race(!)We are so bad and the damage we are causing to the
environment is promoting such an extensive chaos that the bloody CO2 now
is travelling to the past as our "poor" atmosphere is saturated with
it...
Not to mention that all the carbon imprisoned in the form of coal and
oil is going to jail break and escape to the freedom of the clouds and
winds...the angels will not be able to watch us any more and we will be
forsaken for ever while the devil will stick his fork in our bums
through the eternity!
OMG!!! We are  so bad!...:)
On the other hand we could say it is the difference between regional
cooling/warming and global effects. Considering that at the time these
changes were taking place (e.g.due to shifts in ocean currents and
atmospheric jet streams) there was a strong drought in the mid-west, as
winds shifted away from the damp south-eastern air from the Mexican Gulf
to the bone-dry air from present-day Mexico and this drought wiped out
the Anasazi indian culture .The warming/cooling in Greenland during this
period is thus part of a continent-scale rearranging of climate. Other
regions outside America generally went on like before.
...but it is not so funny

Climate helped drive Vikings from
Greenlandhttp://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2011/05/vikings

May 30, 2011 |  Contact: Richard Lewis
  |401-863-3766  [imagecache
imagecache-ursa_feature_image] 
  Climate clues   William D'Andrea, right, and Yongsong Huang
took cores from two lakes in Greenland to reconstruct 5,600 years of
climate history near the Norse Western Settlement.   Credit: William
D'Andrea/Brown University
"Greenland's early Viking settlers were subjected to rapidly
changing climate. Temperatures plunged several degrees in a span of
decades, according to research from Brown University."

"It is interesting to consider how rapid climate change may have
impacted past societies, particularly in light of the rapid changes
taking place today."

`There really was a drop in temperature shortly before the Vikings
disappeared.' As a consequence the times for crop growing was
shortened and little feed was provided to cattle."
Scientists hÐ°Î½Ðµ previously suspected thÐ°t a cooling toward a
"Small Ice Age" frÎ¿m thÐµ 1400s gradually shortened
growing seasons Ð°nd added tÎ¿ sea ice thÐ°t hampered sailing
links wÑth Iceland Î¿r thÐµ Nordic nations.

ThÐµ study Ð°lÑÎ¿ traced even earlier swings Ñn thÐµ
climate tÎ¿ thÐµ rise Ð°nd fall Î¿f pre-historic peoples
Î¿n Greenland starting wÑth thÐµ Saqqaq culture, whÑÑh
thrived frÎ¿m Ð°bÎ¿Ït 4,500 years ago tÎ¿ 2,800 years ago.

Scientists drÐµÐ°d thÐ°t thÐµ 21st century warming ÑÑ
caused bÑ climate change, stoked bÑ a build-up Î¿f
conservatory gases frÎ¿m human activities. An acceleration Î¿f
warming ÑÎ¿Ïld produce a meltdown Î¿f thÐµ Greenland ice
page, raising planet sea levels.

"Yifu" can you contribute some nice pictures?(!)Angels not  able to
watch us any more and the devil sticks his fork in our bums through the
eternity?

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL impressions

2011-06-02 Thread Buck

Whynot, Dick Mays too.  He is an important player here.  Foundational 
perspective, from the beginning of FFL.

>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts :-)
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > After being on here awhile on FFL, I have an impression of good stuff
> regarding as many of us as came to mind -with a nod to Turq's earlier
> list:
> >
> > Turq: Types almost as fast as he thinks, which truly blows me away. As
> close to painting with words that I can come up with. Very cool talent
>  wish I had it (thank God for Word in my case).
> > Also his living now in three countries in a few years  I have
> traveled a lot, but haven't *lived* abroad as an adult, as in had an
> address in several countries, learned the languages, the cultures, and
> earned my livelihood. Amazing. Hats off to you.
> >
> > Curtis: Our FFL street musician/one man band, all round angel of the
> asphalt and philosopher. Performers, people that do stuff to entertain
> others, the troubadours of our age, get a lot of love. good on ya mate.
> >
> > Yifuxero: Your art links are always interesting  some of them
> damned good.
> >
> > Authfriend: A razor's edge, always pristine and unerring in your
> logic. Word smith. Need I say more?
> >
> > Peter: Tropical teacher, drummer, doctor, devotee, the
> doesn't-exist/vanishes in the mist-dude.
> >
> > Nablus: Nordic Bhakti, Jai Guru Dev.
> >
> > Rick Archer: An endless and effective gift for facilitating and
> documenting knowledge exchange; FFL, BATGAP, teacher, and dog owner? Not
> sure about the last one.
> >
> > Sal: She and seventhray often make up the salty, peppery condiments
> for many a paragraph served up here on FFL. Biting wit.
> >
> > Raunchydog: Once you get your teeth into something, it is toast.
> >
> > Seventhray: your asides bust my gut - (see: Sal).
> >
> > Emptybill: piercing and true. I enjoy your sense of humor blended with
> intellect.
> >
> > Willytex: FFL archivist, hands down.
> >
> > Mike Dixon: Another fine wit  with a dose of still waters run
> deep.
> >
> > Buck: All about natural surroundings and the country. A quiet
> presence. Enjoyed your "Burma shave" mantras, though they burned a lot
> of posts.
> >
> > Wayback: Gentle perceptiveness.
> >
> > Ravi: Came in like a tornado, and has settled down to a refreshing,
> sometimes invigorating breeze.
> >
> > Tartbrain: Often walks in on the flip side, the other side of the
> coin, or expands an idea past assumed boundaries, balancing on
> boundaries of the infinite instead. Acrobatics.
> >
> > Vaj: Cool forum name. Enigmatic person.
> >
> > Merlin: TM News crier.
> >
> > Edg: Rides a whachamacalit thingadibobber. Also paints with words.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What I believe, here and now

2011-06-02 Thread merudanda

Congratulation , young dude, nice shamanic but melodic rap
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop
playing."George Bernard Shaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q&feature=player_embedded#at=34
http://tinyurl.com/3ukjztn

mmmh the bubble

Was that's the different between a turquoiseb rap and a -let's
say-Bach's Chaconne?
Just a IHMO's non-Truth-seeking question and Life applause
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Since some on this forum seem to have funny ideas
> about what exactly I believe, I thought I'd take
> advantage of a work holiday to rap about it, from
> my point of view. What follows is just a rap, One
> Man's Opinion. I make no attempt to claim it's
> true, let alone Truth. It's just how I see things,
> based on my subjective experiences and intuition
> following a somewhat spiritual path for over 50
> years. It does not affect you and what you believe
> in any way *unless you allow it to*.
>
> As for the nature of the universe, I believe that
> it is eternal, and was never created. That elimin-
> ates the need for me to ponder a Creator, or God.
> None appears necessary, given my perception of the
> world around me, so given the principles of Occam's
> Razor I postulate that none exists.
>
> As for whether the universe is real or "Maya," I
> have no clue, and don't much care. It's real *to me*
> in certain states of attention, less real in others.
> Big whoop. It's a given that one's state of attention
> is the "filter" through which we experience the world
> around us, so *of course* that's going to affect our
> perceptions.
>
> What, after all, is "real?" In the dream plane (because
> I studied lucid dreaming for some time, and got pretty
> good at it), I am definitely a "co-creator" of that
> reality. I can cause whole worlds to manifest and then
> play in them. In waking state...uh...not so much. :-)
>
> However, what I honestly believe is that the universe is
> "co-created," and was not Created by some entity called
> God or the Laws Of Nature. The universe, whether "real"
> or a Maya-like hologram, is IMO co-created by the
> collective thoughts and actions of all the sentient
> beings that inhabit it. It is the *sum* of all of these
> sentient beings' thoughts and actions.
>
> IMO, no one has inherently more power or value in that
> co-creation process than another. Enlightened, schmit-
> ened...if they can't remake the world around them *on
> demand*, in such a way that other sentient beings
> perceive it as changed, then they ain't got no more
> "creator" status than I have. I think it's a group
> effort.
>
> That said, IMO *all* members of the group have total
> free will, and the ability to make their own decisions.
> If you think about it, the idea of karma *can't work*
> if there is no free will. Karma merely produces a set
> of influences, based on past thoughts and actions. But
> those influences are not binding. People *can* change,
> as the result of their own intent and will. If that
> will did not exist, there would be only predestination,
> and that is not how I perceive the world, or even how
> most people perceive it.
>
> As for enlightenment, and its possible value, I feel
> that while it may be a neat thing for an individual,
> subjectively, it has absolutely zero objective value,
> and I have seen no evidence that it has any value for
> anyone else other than the person experiencing it.
> In a very real sense, enlightenment is the most selfish
> act a sentient being could perform. It's all about what
> *they* feel and think and experience.
>
> Subjectively, I have experience this state from time to
> time. Big whoop. While it was fun at the time, 50 years
> on the path have convinced me that it was no more fun,
> and certainly no more valuable to others, than any other
> state of attention I have experienced. I no longer seek
> enlightenment, and wouldn't cross the street if it were
> being sold for a quarter at a hot dog stand. I am content
> with experiencing the fleeting states of attention that
> come and go for me on a daily basis, and seek no state
> of attention in particular.
>
> That said, there is still the element of focus or
> attention. Although I live in a co-created universe, and
> experience things that were Not Of My Doing, some of
> them...uh...less than positive, I don't have to focus
> on them to the exclusion of the more positive things.
> I have free will. I can *choose* what to focus my attention
> on. And so I choose to focus it on shinier, happier mind-
> states, and on actions that seem to have a more beneficial
> effect on the other sentient beings around me than they
> do a negative one.
>
> And that's it...all I can think of for this particular
> rap. It was written in one quick typing spurt, in about
> ten minutes, sitting in a Dutch cafe over coffee, with
> no editing and no pauses. As I said at the beginning of
> the rap, what I say does not affect you and what *you*
> bel

[FairfieldLife] What I believe, here and now

2011-06-02 Thread turquoiseb

Since some on this forum seem to have funny ideas 
about what exactly I believe, I thought I'd take
advantage of a work holiday to rap about it, from
my point of view. What follows is just a rap, One
Man's Opinion. I make no attempt to claim it's 
true, let alone Truth. It's just how I see things, 
based on my subjective experiences and intuition
following a somewhat spiritual path for over 50 
years. It does not affect you and what you believe
in any way *unless you allow it to*. 

As for the nature of the universe, I believe that
it is eternal, and was never created. That elimin-
ates the need for me to ponder a Creator, or God.
None appears necessary, given my perception of the
world around me, so given the principles of Occam's
Razor I postulate that none exists.

As for whether the universe is real or "Maya," I 
have no clue, and don't much care. It's real *to me*
in certain states of attention, less real in others.
Big whoop. It's a given that one's state of attention
is the "filter" through which we experience the world
around us, so *of course* that's going to affect our
perceptions. 

What, after all, is "real?" In the dream plane (because
I studied lucid dreaming for some time, and got pretty
good at it), I am definitely a "co-creator" of that
reality. I can cause whole worlds to manifest and then
play in them. In waking state...uh...not so much. :-)

However, what I honestly believe is that the universe is
"co-created," and was not Created by some entity called
God or the Laws Of Nature. The universe, whether "real"
or a Maya-like hologram, is IMO co-created by the 
collective thoughts and actions of all the sentient
beings that inhabit it. It is the *sum* of all of these
sentient beings' thoughts and actions. 

IMO, no one has inherently more power or value in that
co-creation process than another. Enlightened, schmit-
ened...if they can't remake the world around them *on
demand*, in such a way that other sentient beings 
perceive it as changed, then they ain't got no more
"creator" status than I have. I think it's a group
effort.

That said, IMO *all* members of the group have total 
free will, and the ability to make their own decisions.
If you think about it, the idea of karma *can't work*
if there is no free will. Karma merely produces a set
of influences, based on past thoughts and actions. But
those influences are not binding. People *can* change,
as the result of their own intent and will. If that
will did not exist, there would be only predestination,
and that is not how I perceive the world, or even how
most people perceive it. 

As for enlightenment, and its possible value, I feel
that while it may be a neat thing for an individual,
subjectively, it has absolutely zero objective value,
and I have seen no evidence that it has any value for
anyone else other than the person experiencing it.
In a very real sense, enlightenment is the most selfish
act a sentient being could perform. It's all about what
*they* feel and think and experience. 

Subjectively, I have experience this state from time to
time. Big whoop. While it was fun at the time, 50 years
on the path have convinced me that it was no more fun,
and certainly no more valuable to others, than any other
state of attention I have experienced. I no longer seek
enlightenment, and wouldn't cross the street if it were
being sold for a quarter at a hot dog stand. I am content
with experiencing the fleeting states of attention that
come and go for me on a daily basis, and seek no state 
of attention in particular.

That said, there is still the element of focus or 
attention. Although I live in a co-created universe, and
experience things that were Not Of My Doing, some of 
them...uh...less than positive, I don't have to focus
on them to the exclusion of the more positive things.
I have free will. I can *choose* what to focus my attention
on. And so I choose to focus it on shinier, happier mind-
states, and on actions that seem to have a more beneficial
effect on the other sentient beings around me than they
do a negative one. 

And that's it...all I can think of for this particular
rap. It was written in one quick typing spurt, in about
ten minutes, sitting in a Dutch cafe over coffee, with 
no editing and no pauses. As I said at the beginning of 
the rap, what I say does not affect you and what *you* 
believe in any way, *unless you allow it to*. It's just 
a rap, One Man's Opinion. That man believes that you 
have the right to your own opinion, and is in no way 
trying to sell you his or declare his as superior or
"right" or "true" or "Truth." It's just opinion. Live
with it. Or not. Your call.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Enlightened Cuckoo Clock

2011-06-02 Thread cardemaister


>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me, I think this... 

Interesting, seemingly appositional use of the objective
form of the first person pronoun.

[FairfieldLife] Scott fans voted also for Lauren?

2011-06-02 Thread cardemaister


It seems me my favorite Haley was eliminated(?)
because Scott fans might also have voted for
Lauren to get Haley out?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Enlightened Cuckoo Clock

2011-06-02 Thread turquoiseb

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb) 
> speak for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal 
> view of the universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't 
> really think very much of them [the no-free-will adherents]'). 

There was no attempt to "speak for the universe." I merely
presented my opinion of what a universe that did not allow
its supposedly-sentient beings to make decisions for them-
selves might think of them. I don't even believe that the
universe *has* sentience, and could think *anything*, but
if it did, and it created a situation such as the one that
the non-free-willers believe it did, it doesn't have much
respect for them. They're basically nothing more than 
actors acting out a script, with no ability to improvise
or become co-creators of the play. 

> Someone pass the crown! I certainly do not know enough to 
> speak for all of existence.

I don't "know" *anything*. I merely speculate, for the fun
of it. To me, there is no fun in the idea of the universe 
as automaton. 

> The idea of an enlightened cuckoo clock is not all that bad. 

I'll explain lower where I think this idea came from.

> A similar idea (unfortunately for those Hindu believers) is 
> found in the Bhagavad-Gita: 'Ishvara, situated in the heart 
> of all beings, Arjuna, causes these beings to move, (as if) 
> being placed on a machine, by virtue of maya.'

To me, this vision sounds icky. To others, who would
prefer to believe that they have no responsibility for
their actions (because "they" don't perform them...someone
or something else does), it probably sounds ideal. 

> In religious terminology, this is called the will of God. 

Exactly. IMO the whole idea of of "no free will" is an
attempt by God-ists to impose the idea of "the will of
God" onto a universe that has never had need of a God.

> You have written some very entertaining things on this forum, 
> but I think you may not always be thinking through all your 
> arguments. I particularly enjoyed your piece on manufactured 
> needs. Enlightenment is a manufactured need. Most people in 
> this world do not give a thought to the idea because they 
> either do not know the term, or just don't care.

If you "get" this, then you're in good position to under-
stand my feeling about where the idea of "there is no free
will" comes from. I believe it is a similarly manufactured
idea. 

My guess is that at least 95% of the people on the planet
who believe that there is no free will do so because of
SOMETHING THEY WERE TOLD. By the spiritual teacher, scrip-
tures, or religions they grew up with or adopted later. 
Wanting to believe that these scriptures or teachings are
true, they see the world around them in terms of confirm-
ation bias and try to make it agree with what has been
told to them. Voila. They were told that there is no free
will, and start to look for "signs" that "prove" that there
is no free will.

With Hindus and wannabee Hindus like TMers, they want to
believe in "no free will" because they have been told that
that's what the world looks like from the point of view
of the manufactured need they've been sold, enlightenment.
So they "weight" the idea of "no free will," ranking it
"higher" in likelihood because they've been told that it
is associated with enlightenment.

A very small percentage of people who believe that there 
is no free will do so on the basis of their subjective 
experience of a particular brain fart that they have *also*
been told by their spiritual teachers, scriptures, and 
religions is associated with enlightenment, or "higher"
states of consciousness. I'm talking about "witnessing,"
or the "not the doer" sensation.

I am NOT saying that this subjective experience does not
exist. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. What I'm 
saying is that although the experience exists, it does not
on its own MEAN anything. The "meaning" people associate
with witnessing and "not the doer" was, again, TOLD TO
THEM. They were *told* that this state is associated with
enlightenment, and thus is a "higher" state.

I don't buy this. I think that it's Just Another State
Of Attention, no "higher" or "better" than any other. It's
just another passing POV or brain fart. Thus I have no need 
to try to imagine that the world "always" looks like this. 
It doesn't. That's just how the nature of action appears 
from one tiny isolated state of attention.

My feeling is that this "witnessing" state is NOT associated
with anything "higher" or "enlightened," it's Just Another
State Of Attention. Thus I have no need to build any world
views upon it, even though I have experienced it. I have 
ALSO experienced the subjective feeling of having free will. 
I have experienced the latter far more often. I'm gonna "go
with the numbers" and assume that the POV I have experienced
the most often is possibly the most accurate. :-)

Besides, I like the

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