Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. I can't see that as being helpful during a psychotic episode. Probably make it worse in the same way that hallucinogenic drugs would. I also wouldn't recommend it for serious depression for the same reason. But maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. It didn't help the two TMers I knew who were psychotic, they got worse the more they did it. I wouldn't even try it instead of drugs, it's a job for the professionals. But the TM organization isn't equipped to handle those details, and MMY's attitude towards psychiatrists made it difficult to develop the proper professional relationship. Norman Rosenthal could never have been a prominent TMer back in the day, given Maharishi's attitude. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all rather easily disproved. Somehow, terms like Same as everywhere else or We're only as good as the people who come and stay aren't going to be such a big draw. But they won't backfire either... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
For the record, Steve, I have no interest in bringing down the TM organization, for the simple reason that it doesn't need my help. It seems intent on bringing itself down. I need only watch, and comment from the sidelines from time to time in a fashion that brings out the long-established cult tendencies of those who are watching their world -- and their belief system -- crumble about them. For example, as I pointed out yesterday, in all of this kerfuffle about Shuvender Sem's book, did *anyone* who still seems to feel an allegiance to the TMO deal with the *real* question raised by his actions in murdering someone right at Ground Zero of the supposed Maharishi Effect? Did *anyone* try to explain that, and make a case for the ME anyway? They did not. Instead they badrapped the people bringing the subject up again. I would suggest that the *intent* of this tactic is to try to *silence* those bringing up subjects that to *them* are uncomfortable, because they challenge the very things they believe in. I honestly don't think that some of these people are even consciously aware that that's what they're doing -- they just do it out of rote habit, because that's how they've seen everyone else in the TMO deal with criticism for so long and because they themselves have been doing it for so long. At the same time, and something you might want to look out for, too, another common tactic when dealing with a critic who has a history of bringing up these uncomfortable topics is to challenge their motivations for doing so, implying that there is something WRONG with them for doing it. This is Ann's primary tactic, and seemingly one of yours as well. I'm not trying to convince you to stop doing it, because on one level I think you (not Ann) are actually concerned that Michael is overfocusing on this pissant meditation organization that's going to fold in a few years anyway, and are trying to steer him towards more balance. But I am trying to clue you in to the fact that this is another well-known and well-studied cult tactic as well, and a hidden attempt to silence the critic or shoot the messenger. After all, if you can convince people that this person is unbalanced, then people are going to stop listening to the things they say, and treat them as less credibile. And, of course, you don't have to deal with the criticisms themselves. It's a copout...a form of taking the low road. Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? Well, let's look at it this way. Barry is on record that part of his interest here is to examine the mindset of true believers, or those he believes to be such. I can understand that. But it also works both ways. I find it interesting to examine what drives some of the detractors. And it helps me understand myself better. I try to figure out what would make a person invest so much time and attention in trying to bring down an organization. I mean there are many places to invest one's attention. Why so much in this endeavor? What makes a person not move on? There are things I would have done differently in life, but I've always understood, that I need to keep going forward. As trite as it sounds, it is spiritual understanding that motivates me. You get a little, and then you want more. So, it just strikes me as odd to see someone so preoccupied with past events. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ah, thanks for clarifying. Thanks also for reaching out with your TM enhanced awareness and assessing my state of emotional development. It is true that I was emotionally arrested at age 10, but just 2 weeks of TM allowed me to catch up and I actually got enlightened after 6 months of TM. I am here on FFL because Cosmic Intelligence wants me to challenge you and Buck and a few others to test your enlightenment and hep you along the path. As to MUM, here is a grand assessment from a student from a school review web site: The school is particularly scared of being sued, which is due in large part to a murder that occured in the cafeteria in 2004/5. This is why they changed the name from Maharishi International University to MUM... This has alot to do with why they are so scared of students who seem externally dissatisfied or angry about things. There are other problems, the roads are not well maintained (my car hit a pothole that popped
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
The trouble with TM I think, is all the BS you get taught about it. Maybe it's different now but in my day TM was seen as the cure for everything, the simple mechanics of stress release (claimed) on the charts seemed to imply that it was just a matter of time before the deep relaxation cured you of all and any problems you have accrued in life. It doesn't work like that of course, if anything seems too good to be true then it very probably is. The problem is that a lot of people associate the flashy early experiences with progress and assume that the stress release process is working when it isn't doing much at all after a while. But they stick at it, just one more course. This is why, I think, you meet so many people who are stuck with long term mental health issues that could be sorted out much easier with other methods. In fact, some of these people think there's nothing wrong with them because they are doing TM. An honest appraisal is needed so people with deep issues can find the best thing rather than getting sucked into something that may not help all that much. And you don't get enough objectivity from TM articles, but people go for a simple solution that's also nice to do. But it's not my first recommendation for a lot of things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. I can't see that as being helpful during a psychotic episode. Probably make it worse in the same way that hallucinogenic drugs would. I also wouldn't recommend it for serious depression for the same reason. But maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. It didn't help the two TMers I knew who were psychotic, they got worse the more they did it. I wouldn't even try it instead of drugs, it's a job for the professionals. But the TM organization isn't equipped to handle those details, and MMY's attitude towards psychiatrists made it difficult to develop the proper professional relationship. Norman Rosenthal could never have been a prominent TMer back in the day, given Maharishi's attitude. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer The trouble with TM I think, is all the BS you get taught about it. Maybe it's different now but in my day TM was seen as the cure for everything, the simple mechanics of stress release (claimed) on the charts seemed to imply that it was just a matter of time before the deep relaxation cured you of all and any problems you have accrued in life. This is really the crux of the issue. It's the combination of three myths that have been taught to TMers consistently since they were instructed. The first is TM is 100% life-supporting and has no possible negative side effects, and the second is TM is all you need...it will solve all problems you could possibly have, and the third is Something good is happening, delivered as a rote response to anything that seems to contradict the first two. The issue with Shuvender Sem, as even Lawson admitted yesterday, is that *no one noticed he was crazy*. But the REASON no one noticed is that he was just one more crazy person in a closed environment full of other crazy people. Anyone who has ever spent any time in one of these closed all-TM-all-the-time environments knows what I'm talking about -- almost everyone around you is a mass of neuroses and weirdness, with a few touches of psychosis on the side. And all of this is written off as Something good is happening, and just unstressing. What else, after all, accounts for people considering *obviously* crazy people like Robin Carlsen not only normal, but exemplary, and as role models to be envied and followed? What else accounts for people admiring and envying the many people who Rick interviews, many of whom normal people on the street would consider at the least spaced out and dissociative, and at worst poster children for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Closed TM environments are a ZOO of craziness, characterized by almost everyone in them thinking that they're normal, or even more evolved than other people. OF COURSE no one noticed that Shuvender Sem was off his meds and off the wall. It doesn't work like that of course, if anything seems too good to be true then it very probably is. The problem is that a lot of people associate the flashy early experiences with progress and assume that the stress release process is working when it isn't doing much at all after a while. But they stick at it, just one more course. This is why, I think, you meet so many people who are stuck with long term mental health issues that could be sorted out much easier with other methods. In fact, some of these people think there's nothing wrong with them because they are doing TM. An honest appraisal is needed so people with deep issues can find the best thing rather than getting sucked into something that may not help all that much. And you don't get enough objectivity from TM articles, but people go for a simple solution that's also nice to do. But it's not my first recommendation for a lot of things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. I can't see that as being helpful during a psychotic episode. Probably make it worse in the same way that hallucinogenic drugs would. I also wouldn't recommend it for serious depression for the same reason. But maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. It didn't help the two TMers I knew who were psychotic, they got worse the more they did it. I wouldn't even try it instead of drugs, it's a job for the professionals. But the TM organization isn't equipped to handle those details, and MMY's attitude towards psychiatrists made it difficult to develop the proper professional relationship. Norman Rosenthal could never have been a prominent TMer back in the day, given Maharishi's attitude. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique
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[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
A similar figure in England. I think they call it wealthfare a helping hand for those at the top, who want to stay there Which wouldn't be so bad if they weren't sadistically harassing those at the bottom, and cutting any entitlement even people in work have to have just to make ends meet to pay for it all. Oligarchs R us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] More Useful Tips
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer The trouble with TM I think, is all the BS you get taught about it. Maybe it's different now but in my day TM was seen as the cure for everything, the simple mechanics of stress release (claimed) on the charts seemed to imply that it was just a matter of time before the deep relaxation cured you of all and any problems you have accrued in life. This is really the crux of the issue. It's the combination of three myths that have been taught to TMers consistently since they were instructed. The first is TM is 100% life-supporting and has no possible negative side effects, and the second is TM is all you need...it will solve all problems you could possibly have, and the third is Something good is happening, delivered as a rote response to anything that seems to contradict the first two. The issue with Shuvender Sem, as even Lawson admitted yesterday, is that *no one noticed he was crazy*. But the REASON no one noticed is that he was just one more crazy person in a closed environment full of other crazy people. Anyone who has ever spent any time in one of these closed all-TM-all-the-time environments knows what I'm talking about -- almost everyone around you is a mass of neuroses and weirdness, with a few touches of psychosis on the side. And all of this is written off as Something good is happening, and just unstressing. What else, after all, accounts for people considering *obviously* crazy people like Robin Carlsen not only normal, but exemplary, and as role models to be envied and followed? What else accounts for people admiring and envying the many people who Rick interviews, many of whom normal people on the street would consider at the least spaced out and dissociative, and at worst poster children for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Closed TM environments are a ZOO of craziness, characterized by almost everyone in them thinking that they're normal, or even more evolved than other people. OF COURSE no one noticed that Shuvender Sem was off his meds and off the wall. Just to follow up and explain a bit more, since I have the time this sunny morning, I am not trying to make a case that *all* TMers are crazier than most people. I'm sure there are many of them who just practiced TM and stayed the fuck away from the TMO and any of its closed environments who are pretty normal. It's the ones who gravitated to the closed environments, the echo chambers in which they rarely speak to anyone who isn't a fellow TMer, who just as rarely even see them, and who spend hours a day doing program and listening to hours upon hours of indoctrination tapes telling them what and how to think who are abnormal. And the main reason is that they spend all of their time doing all of these abnormal things *while being told that they're SUPERIOR and 'more highly evolved* than the people they never interact with. They really come to believe that the abnormalities they see around them on a daily basis ARE normal. They really believe, for example, that everyone probably spends as much money on nostrums and healers as they do, and that they spend as much time thinking about and worrying about their own health as the TMers around them in these closed environments do. They really believe that no one would think badly of them for hiding out during full eclipses and being afraid to enter buildings from the wrong direction. They really believe that bouncing on their butts in an obvious placebo reaction to thinking English-language phrases about flying means that they're going to really fly someday. And every day they see no one around them but people who seem to believe the same crazy things. Also, on another level, look at the people within the closed TM environments who have been presented to them over the years as role models, people to be revered and respected and who they should endeavor to be like. People like the hideously obese, probably close-to-three-hundred-pound whale who gives lectures about perfect health without realizing the irony. People like the guy who wears robes and a crown and is referred to as their king and who was presented to them by Maharishi for years as the very personification of celibate wonderfulness, but who all along had a secret wife and family that even his best friends never knew about. People like the guy who chain-smokes and chain-gulps coffee and who makes movies that celebrate women being degraded talking about how TM is going to cure young people of their ills and mental problems and better prepare them to grow up to be solid citizens. This
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
salyavin, what I'm wondering is how many FFL guys are gonna be carrying a tampon in their pocket the next time they go on a hike?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
I'm sure as hell going to add a box to my bunker while I wait for the end of civilisation! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, what I'm wondering is how many FFL guys are gonna be carrying a tampon in their pocket the next time they go on a hike?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
Bumper sticker of the day: Real Men Carry Tampons (-: On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:44 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm sure as hell going to add a box to my bunker while I wait for the end of civilisation! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, what I'm wondering is how many FFL guys are gonna be carrying a tampon in their pocket the next time they go on a hike?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
On 4/9/2014 3:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him Apparently, Barry pays zero U.S. income, property or sales tax, unlike Mike Dixon who probably pays all his federal and state taxes. Go figure. Stupid idiot - you're not supposed to use someone's name in the subject line. Only a newbie or a nerd would do something like that. Send in the clowns! https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1004703_676180902445300_1381271867_n.png
[FairfieldLife] Last Man Standing?
The federal government sends in armed troops to remove cattle from a ranch in Nevada and arrests the owner's son. Now we have First Amendment areas established in Nevada - where people can protest, otherwise you will be arrested by the government and put in jail - to protect a TURTLE. Go figure. Environmentalists are praising the government’s forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the “desert tortoise. http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/ Ruby Ridge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
On 4/9/2014 4:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: A similar figure in England. I think they call it wealthfare a helping hand for those at the top, who want to stay there So, what does Mike Dixon have to do with U.K. finances? In the U.S., most individuals that are wealthy get that way through capital gains from stock investments in corporations. In any given year, there are probably only .01% of the really wealthy whose portfolio increases. Many U.S. citizens have pensions that are invested in large corporations - 501k plans - which constitute their life savings and retirement funds. In the U.S., everyone has an equal opportunity to make money to invest or spend.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 7:01 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: the university has had issues with maintenance and the physical plant since the time I was a student there. The universities where I live, and whom I deal with on a daily basis with my business have their same issues along these lines, that are addressed as money and budget allows. Most every college or university has issues with maintenance. According to my sources most of mold has been eliminated at MUM. So, I wonder why MJ is still talking about issues that were resolved years ago? Go figure. do you think that MUM simply ignores the issues? sure I think they would be better served to allocate more funds on improving these conditions, than grandiose building projects, but I've observed that issues like mold do get addressed, albeit not as quickly as people would like. my point is that you are invested to an inordinate degree in the failure of the TMO. that is your prerogative of course, but I can't help but wonder how a person arrives at such a place. You arrive at a place like that when you have a cult mentality and mind set and you can't get over it, even after years. Lot's of people get some cult-exit counseling or professional help. It looks like MJ and Barry think FFL is going to help them with their demons, so they may be more stressed than we think. They are supposed to be un-stressing and working and getting better, but go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Gosh, Barry, hate to break it to ya, but people DID notice that Sem was acting crazy for some time before he cracked. And OF COURSE everyone at MUM was terribly upset by the murder. Opsie! You really need to get your fantasies under control. It isn't the fact that you talk about Sem that makes it appear you're on a vendetta, it's because of your malicious and dishonest attacks on the TMers on FFL and at MUM. So OF COURSE no one noticed that Shuvender Sem was having a schizophrenic break...he was just another crazy fish in the fishbowl. And OF COURSE no one thinks too hard about him murdering someone at the very epicenter of the ME Invincible Woo Woo that is supposed to make such things possible. That just produces too much cognitive dissonance to ponder, or to even think about. Better to fall back on the old standards, and continue to portray anyone who *does* think about such things and even spit talk about them publicly as misfits or people with a vendetta.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for those who were actually impressed by George Bush's paintings
Oh, that's funny. Not that Bush based his portraits on photos, but that Barry thinks this will embarrass those who like the portraits. In fact, of course, many professional portraitists do this (it even says so in the article, which Barry obviously didn't bother to read). Opsie! George W. Bush Sourced All His Paintings From Google - ANIMAL http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ George W. Bush Sourced All His Paintings From Google ... http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ George W. Bush's solo art show The Art of Leadership: A President's Personal Diplomacy has just opened at the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum View on www.animalnewyork... http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
And what do you suggest, O Burbling Font of Anticult Wisdom, for those who don't believe in the ME and have always thought the TMO sucked dead dogs? Since it would make no sense for us to try to make a case for either, is it OK for us to criticize the critics when their criticisms are deliberately dishonest and malicious? Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/9/2014 3:57 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: almost everyone around you is a mass of neuroses and weirdness, with a few touches of psychosis on the side. The yogic flying demonstrations at MUM pale in comparison to the demonstrations by Rama when he was up on stage levitating in front of a large crowd of followers. At those lectures, Rama would sometimes rise up and levitate and then fill the whole room with golden light, and do lots of other fancy magical stuff. This must have been very impressive - if you were easily suggestible, drugged, in a trance-induction state or under mass hypnosis. Compared to the average Rama crowd, the students at MUM look like paradigms of sanity! One wonders where Barry fits into all of this - weird, neurotic, or psychotic, or all of the above? Barry does seem to have a brain problem from being in and out of cults for most of his adult life and who wouldn't? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
you don't have an answer for it because it just doesn't exist. It is a matter of plain common sense. If the Marshy Effect exists it is logical to expect the effect would be strongest at its epicenter. Doesn't exist, period. On Wed, 4/9/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2014, 12:22 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Steve, I have no interest in bringing down the TM organization, for the simple reason that it doesn't need my help. It seems intent on bringing itself down. I need only watch, and comment from the sidelines from time to time in a fashion that brings out the long-established cult tendencies of those who are watching their world -- and their belief system -- crumble about them. yes, that is my understanding. it appears to me you have a pretty active life apart from anything going on here or with the TMO. For example, as I pointed out yesterday, in all of this kerfuffle about Shuvender Sem's book, did *anyone* who still seems to feel an allegiance to the TMO deal with the *real* question raised by his actions in murdering someone right at Ground Zero of the supposed Maharishi Effect? Did *anyone* try to explain that, and make a case for the ME anyway? They did not. Instead they badrapped the people bringing the subject up again. I would suggest that the *intent* of this tactic is to try to *silence* those bringing up subjects that to *them* are uncomfortable, because they challenge the very things they believe in. I honestly don't think that some of these people are even consciously aware that that's what they're doing -- they just do it out of rote habit, because that's how they've seen everyone else in the TMO deal with criticism for so long and because they themselves have been doing it for so long. At the same time, and something you might want to look out for, too, another common tactic when dealing with a critic who has a history of bringing up these uncomfortable topics is to challenge their motivations for doing so, implying that there is something WRONG with them for doing it. This is Ann's primary tactic, and seemingly one of yours as well. I'm not trying to convince you to stop doing it, because on one level I think you (not Ann) are actually concerned that Michael is overfocusing on this pissant meditation organization that's going to fold in a few years anyway, and are trying to steer him towards more balance. But I am trying to clue you in to the fact that this is another well-known and well-studied cult tactic as well, and a hidden attempt to silence the critic or shoot the messenger. After all, if you can convince people that this person is unbalanced, then people are going to stop listening to the things they say, and treat them as less credibile. And, of course, you don't have to deal with the criticisms themselves. It's a copout...a form of taking the low road. I understand what you are saying here. I think Michael has been a pretty on target critic of the organization in many ways. But there are also times when I think his portrayals are so one sided and skewed that I feel motivated to challenge them. I also think he plays that same card frequently of labeling and shooting the messenger when the facts go against the case he may be making on any given issue. Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? Well, let's look at it this way. Barry is on record that part of his interest here is to examine the mindset of true believers,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I don't believe Barry knew Robin when he was crazy 25-35 years ago, so he isn't in a position to say that he was obviously crazy. In any case, by the time Robin appeared on FFL, he'd long since recovered (and become an enemy of TM, which you'd think Barry would approve of). What else, after all, accounts for people considering *obviously* crazy people like Robin Carlsen not only normal, but exemplary, and as role models to be envied and followed?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
There's no reason to expect that something that allows deeper-than-normal levels of restful mindwandering would be bad for most conditions other than Relaxation-Induced Anxiety without more data. In the case of schizophrenia, the potential use of TM to reverse the abnormal EEG patterns isn't as obvious (to me) as tit is for something like autism spectrum disorder, where TM's effects are literally the reverse of the pattern commonly associated with ASD. Likewise, TM practice and ADHD have obvious inverse relationships. With schizophrenia, it's a mixed bag. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. I can't see that as being helpful during a psychotic episode. Probably make it worse in the same way that hallucinogenic drugs would. I also wouldn't recommend it for serious depression for the same reason. But maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. It didn't help the two TMers I knew who were psychotic, they got worse the more they did it. I wouldn't even try it instead of drugs, it's a job for the professionals. But the TM organization isn't equipped to handle those details, and MMY's attitude towards psychiatrists made it difficult to develop the proper professional relationship. Norman Rosenthal could never have been a prominent TMer back in the day, given Maharishi's attitude. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Bumper sticker of the day: Real Men Carry Tampons (-: Let's hope in their hand. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:44 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm sure as hell going to add a box to my bunker while I wait for the end of civilisation! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, what I'm wondering is how many FFL guys are gonna be carrying a tampon in their pocket the next time they go on a hike?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
As far as I'm concerned the Turq was in one cult only. The cult of the Buddhist Rama, a confused individual who later killed himself by drowning wearing a dog-collar around his neck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for those who were actually impressed by George Bush's paintings
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, that's funny. Not that Bush based his portraits on photos, but that Barry thinks this will embarrass those who like the portraits. In fact, of course, many professional portraitists do this (it even says so in the article, which Barry obviously didn't bother to read). Opsie! Maybe I'm missing something but did Bawwy think Georgie painted these from memory, or, less likely still, from a private sitting with the subjects? George W. Bush Sourced All His Paintings From Google - ANIMAL http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ George W. Bush Sourced All His Paintings From Google ... http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ George W. Bush's solo art show The Art of Leadership: A President's Personal Diplomacy has just opened at the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum View on www.animalnewyork... http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
There are endless topics over at www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com I thought this place could need a few new topics as most here seems tired of the Turq bringing forward the same old issues he has been going on and on about for years. He is insulting the readers of FFL by imagining that they are as traumatized by dementia as he seems to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for those who were actually impressed by George Bush's paintings
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, that's funny. Not that Bush based his portraits on photos, but that Barry thinks this will embarrass those who like the portraits. In fact, of course, many professional portraitists do this (it even says so in the article, which Barry obviously didn't bother to read). Opsie! Funny, did Bawwy think George painted these from memory, or even more unlikely, as a result of a private sitting with each one of them? George W. Bush Sourced All His Paintings From Google - ANIMAL http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ George W. Bush Sourced All His Paintings From Google ... http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ George W. Bush's solo art show The Art of Leadership: A President's Personal Diplomacy has just opened at the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum View on www.animalnewyork... http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/george-w-bush-took-paintings-google-images/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer The trouble with TM I think, is all the BS you get taught about it. Maybe it's different now but in my day TM was seen as the cure for everything, the simple mechanics of stress release (claimed) on the charts seemed to imply that it was just a matter of time before the deep relaxation cured you of all and any problems you have accrued in life. This is really the crux of the issue. It's the combination of three myths that have been taught to TMers consistently since they were instructed. The first is TM is 100% life-supporting and has no possible negative side effects, and the second is TM is all you need...it will solve all problems you could possibly have, and the third is Something good is happening, delivered as a rote response to anything that seems to contradict the first two. The issue with Shuvender Sem, as even Lawson admitted yesterday, is that *no one noticed he was crazy*. But the REASON no one noticed is that he was just one more crazy person in a closed environment full of other crazy people. Anyone who has ever spent any time in one of these closed all-TM-all-the-time environments knows what I'm talking about -- almost everyone around you is a mass of neuroses and weirdness, with a few touches of psychosis on the side. And all of this is written off as Something good is happening, and just unstressing. What else, after all, accounts for people considering *obviously* crazy people like Robin Carlsen not only normal, but exemplary, and as role models to be envied and followed? What else accounts for people admiring and envying the many people who Rick interviews, many of whom normal people on the street would consider at the least spaced out and dissociative, and at worst poster children for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This argument doesn't follow. No one who thought Robin was interesting or more evolved or had something to teach or those who watch the BATGAP interviews are closeted away in some closed environment created by TM. Anyone who ascertained Robin was worth listening to or that the BATGAP interviews are worth a few hours of time to watch are their own free agents wandering around the streets at this moment - not rounding their heads off under the influence of TM's deep dark unnatural influence, Bawwy. Closed TM environments are a ZOO of craziness, characterized by almost everyone in them thinking that they're normal, or even more evolved than other people. OF COURSE no one noticed that Shuvender Sem was off his meds and off the wall. You are sure about this with regard to Shuvender? Better check your factoids before you blow any more hot air around here. (Now, on the other hand, being closeted and confined to FFL with Bawwy in residence is enough to make anyone reach for their anti-depressants and/or Clozapine.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
For the same reason he and the Turq keep bringing up news that are decades old; they have nothing new to come up with. And running out of issues they will simply start all over nagging on the same old, same old. They seem determined not to move in to the new age and will die old and bitter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 7:01 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: the university has had issues with maintenance and the physical plant since the time I was a student there. The universities where I live, and whom I deal with on a daily basis with my business have their same issues along these lines, that are addressed as money and budget allows. Most every college or university has issues with maintenance. According to my sources most of mold has been eliminated at MUM. So, I wonder why MJ is still talking about issues that were resolved years ago? Go figure. do you think that MUM simply ignores the issues? sure I think they would be better served to allocate more funds on improving these conditions, than grandiose building projects, but I've observed that issues like mold do get addressed, albeit not as quickly as people would like. my point is that you are invested to an inordinate degree in the failure of the TMO. that is your prerogative of course, but I can't help but wonder how a person arrives at such a place. You arrive at a place like that when you have a cult mentality and mind set and you can't get over it, even after years. Lot's of people get some cult-exit counseling or professional help. It looks like MJ and Barry think FFL is going to help them with their demons, so they may be more stressed than we think. They are supposed to be un-stressing and working and getting better, but go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer The trouble with TM I think, is all the BS you get taught about it. Maybe it's different now but in my day TM was seen as the cure for everything, the simple mechanics of stress release (claimed) on the charts seemed to imply that it was just a matter of time before the deep relaxation cured you of all and any problems you have accrued in life. This is really the crux of the issue. It's the combination of three myths that have been taught to TMers consistently since they were instructed. The first is TM is 100% life-supporting and has no possible negative side effects, and the second is TM is all you need...it will solve all problems you could possibly have, and the third is Something good is happening, delivered as a rote response to anything that seems to contradict the first two. The issue with Shuvender Sem, as even Lawson admitted yesterday, is that *no one noticed he was crazy*. But the REASON no one noticed is that he was just one more crazy person in a closed environment full of other crazy people. Anyone who has ever spent any time in one of these closed all-TM-all-the-time environments knows what I'm talking about -- almost everyone around you is a mass of neuroses and weirdness, with a few touches of psychosis on the side. And all of this is written off as Something good is happening, and just unstressing. What else, after all, accounts for people considering *obviously* crazy people like Robin Carlsen not only normal, but exemplary, and as role models to be envied and followed? What else accounts for people admiring and envying the many people who Rick interviews, many of whom normal people on the street would consider at the least spaced out and dissociative, and at worst poster children for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Closed TM environments are a ZOO of craziness, characterized by almost everyone in them thinking that they're normal, or even more evolved than other people. OF COURSE no one noticed that Shuvender Sem was off his meds and off the wall. Just to follow up and explain a bit more, since I have the time this sunny morning, I am not trying to make a case that *all* TMers are crazier than most people. I'm sure there are many of them who just practiced TM and stayed the fuck away from the TMO and any of its closed environments who are pretty normal. It's the ones who gravitated to the closed environments, the echo chambers in which they rarely speak to anyone who isn't a fellow TMer, who just as rarely even see them, and who spend hours a day doing program and listening to hours upon hours of indoctrination tapes telling them what and how to think who are abnormal. And the main reason is that they spend all of their time doing all of these abnormal things *while being told that they're SUPERIOR and 'more highly evolved* than the people they never interact with. They really come to believe that the abnormalities they see around them on a daily basis ARE normal. I can't be bothered to read your post further than this, but one comment about your paragraph above would be what came first - the proverbial chicken or the egg? Those who felt it necessary to immerse oneself in courses like Mother Divine or whatever the male equivalent of that was (Father Almighty, maybe?) were probably needing a few screws tightened to start with. I mean, what would possibly compel someone with balance in their heads or their lives to spend that much time cloistered away meditating and listening to Rig Veda or engaging other such riveting activities? They really believe, for example, that everyone probably spends as much money on nostrums and healers as they do, and that they spend as much time thinking about and worrying about their own health as the TMers around them in these closed environments do. They really believe that no one would think badly of them for hiding out during full eclipses and being afraid to enter buildings from the wrong direction. They really believe that bouncing on their butts in an obvious placebo reaction to thinking English-language phrases about flying means that they're going to really fly someday. And every day they see no one around them but people who seem to believe the same crazy things. Also, on another level, look at the people within the closed TM environments who have been presented to them over the years as role models, people to be revered and respected and who they should endeavor to be like. People like the hideously obese,
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 3:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him Apparently, Barry pays zero U.S. income, property or sales tax, unlike Mike Dixon who probably pays all his federal and state taxes. Go figure. Stupid idiot - you're not supposed to use someone's name in the subject line. Only a newbie or a nerd would do something like that. Send in the clowns! But Bawwy pays more than his fair share of Dutch liquor taxes.That should count for something. Excerpt from Dutch Institute for Alcohol Policy: Excise duties are levied on all alcoholic beverages. Like Value Added Tax, excise duties are included in the price the consumer pays. The tax is remitted to the Tax Administration by the manufacturers in the Netherlands, by traders and also by importers of excisable goods (for example, importers of American brandy). For beer, the excise duty is progressive and is levied according to categories expressed in degrees Plato. The excise duties on wine are different between sparkling and non-sparkling (still wines) and are progressive in relation to ranges of alcohol content by volume. There is a special excise duty for products that are in between (for example port, sherry and vermouth). For spirits, the excise duty is levied as a set amount per hectolitre of pure alcohol. In September 2013 Cabinet agreed on a rise in almost all taxes on alcohol as of 2014 (+5,75%). Now the excise duty per glass is: Glass of pilsner beer (250 cc) 9,5 eurocent Glass of still wine (100 cc) 8,8 eurocent Glass of gin (35 cc) 20,6 eurocent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Useful Tips
Thanks, Nablusoss for reference to the website which looks useful. I admit I was a little concerned that you were unstressing on women as a result of the 9 Days of Mother Divine (-: On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 8:27 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Bumper sticker of the day: Real Men Carry Tampons (-: Let's hope in their hand. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:44 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm sure as hell going to add a box to my bunker while I wait for the end of civilisation! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, what I'm wondering is how many FFL guys are gonna be carrying a tampon in their pocket the next time they go on a hike?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Erm, what sort of search terms are you using to find us this stuff Nabby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 10 Survival Tips Using Tampons http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/04/10-survival-tips-using-tampons.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And what do you suggest, O Burbling Font of Anticult Wisdom, for those who don't believe in the ME and have always thought the TMO sucked dead dogs? Since it would make no sense for us to try to make a case for either, is it OK for us to criticize the critics when their criticisms are deliberately dishonest and malicious? May I just say that this had me bursting out in honest to goodness spontaneous laughter just now? Carry on, I just had to comment there... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
Richard, I don't agree with the idea that everyone in America has equal opportunity for anything. It's an ideal which we haven't reached yet imo. Do you really think that a black male born in the ghetto has equal opportunities with a white male born to a wealthy family?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:05 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2014 4:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: A similar figure in England. I think they call it wealthfare a helping hand for those at the top, who want to stay there So, what does Mike Dixon have to do with U.K. finances? In the U.S., most individuals that are wealthy get that way through capital gains from stock investments in corporations. In any given year, there are probably only .01% of the really wealthy whose portfolio increases. Many U.S. citizens have pensions that are invested in large corporations - 501k plans - which constitute their life savings and retirement funds. In the U.S., everyone has an equal opportunity to make money to invest or spend.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
You're wasting your time. This poor fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Anyway, we're all just evolving here. How can you be so sure about that ? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Because I agree with the ideas that the universe is always expanding, life is always progressing and sometimes we're just going around a big, fat iceberg! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:51 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyway, we're all just evolving here. How can you be so sure about that ? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
BTW, for Steve: From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. I find myself wondering whether you (and Ann, since this dumb idea seems to have come from her) missed all those Maharishi lectures in which he said *very explicitly* that TM and ME would have such an effect on the environment that if enough people did them conflicts would become impossible. That was the whole *basis* of his Age Of Enlightement and Dawning of Sat Yuga talks. Duh. Maharishi and the TMO *did* claim -- in many, many talks and press releases and sales spiels pitching Invincibility -- that sufficient numbers of TM/ME practitioners would generate such a field of positivity and invincibility around them that no crime would be *possible* within it. So what happened *on the campus of MUM* -- well within the boundaries of this of this all-powerful field of Woo, and with surely sufficient numbers given the percentage of students, teachers, people on courses, and others on campus practicing both TM and the ME -- that made Maharishi's predictions and proclamations go blooey, and ended in a murder? Seems to me you can't have it both ways. To claim publicly that the ME *will* solve all problems by creating a field of Woo...uh...I mean coherence...so powerful that crime cannot exist, and then to say, Oooopsie...we didn't really mean *all* crime when we said 'all crime' Sounds to me as if someone was practicing the fingers crossed mudra. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 2:19 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: For the record, Steve, I have no interest in bringing down the TM organization, for the simple reason that it doesn't need my help. It seems intent on bringing itself down. I need only watch, and comment from the sidelines from time to time in a fashion that brings out the long-established cult tendencies of those who are watching their world -- and their belief system -- crumble about them. For the record, Barry probably knows less about what's going on with the TMO than I do, and I'm living down the highway a few miles from the Maharishi Golden Dome at Radiance. Apparently he gets almost all his news about the comings and goings of TMers from this FFL list. In fact, if there was any TMO news, we'd probably be the first to know about it. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. On the other hand, this quitter seem to know when to quit pressing the Send key, so as not to seen the same inane post three times in a row. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 2:19 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... We are still waiting for Barry to deal with the suicide of his guru, The Zen Master Rama, who killed himself. If what Barry says is true, one can imgine the hell he must be going through the last ten or fifteen years: kicked out of two cults, two of his gurus dead, the movement he helped start, all gone to hell - everything Barry tried to accomplish he failed at - he sucked as a spiritual teacher - brain-washed for twenty years in a trance-induction state by charlatan cult leaders. Half of his adult life wasted in and out of cults - and he still can't fly like Rama. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. TM is based on thinking - so following your logic, if I think, I would be altering how my brain and consequently, my mind, actually works. Can someone put up the definition of TM so we can see what exactly we are doing when we meditate, and so we can isolate any thoughts that might alter our brain and our mind? Or, define TM in such a way as to bring our attention to what happens when we are not thinking, and how this would be of any good. Any help in learning this logic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
I'd have to call into question the figures provided that Barry provides. While my retirement income is a bit higher, I really wished I only paid $235.81 a year for medicare! It's closer to *that* per month when counting my medicare advantage program which is only about $65. a month extra over medicare. Must be some smoke and mirrors going on here. I would assume *government subsidies* would include corporate tax incentives or breaks. But then I don't hire employees who intern pay taxes on their earned income. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:55 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 3:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him Apparently, Barry pays zero U.S. income, property or sales tax, unlike Mike Dixon who probably pays all his federal and state taxes. Go figure. Stupid idiot - you're not supposed to use someone's name in the subject line. Only a newbie or a nerd would do something like that. Send in the clowns! But Bawwy pays more than his fair share of Dutch liquor taxes.That should count for something. Excerpt from Dutch Institute for Alcohol Policy: Excise duties are levied on all alcoholic beverages. Like Value Added Tax, excise duties are included in the price the consumer pays. The tax is remitted to the Tax Administration by the manufacturers in the Netherlands, by traders and also by importers of excisable goods (for example, importers of American brandy). For beer, the excise duty is progressive and is levied according to categories expressed in degrees Plato. The excise duties on wine are different between sparkling and non-sparkling (still wines) and are progressive in relation to ranges of alcohol content by volume. There is a special excise duty for products that are in between (for example port, sherry and vermouth). For spirits, the excise duty is levied as a set amount per hectolitre of pure alcohol. In September 2013 Cabinet agreed on a rise in almost all taxes on alcohol as of 2014 (+5,75%). Now the excise duty per glass is: Glass of pilsner beer (250 cc) 9,5 eurocent Glass of still wine (100 cc)8,8 eurocent Glass of gin (35 cc) 20,6 eurocent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : BTW, for Steve: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. What I was actually saying was that anyone with a bit of balance and sense would realize that what MMY claimed would happen based on the existence of this supposed ME is not likely to be possible. It is the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true... . So untwist your knickers and fingers (Bawwy). My point was simply don't believe everything you hear and if you did believe it all lock, stock and barrel, then you only have your own gullibility to blame and the common aftermath of bitterness and blame toward those who misled you. Steve, you are not bitter and angry about your time in the Movement so this indicates to me that perhaps you either didn't believe it all at face value or you simply can let go easier than others. I find myself wondering whether you (and Ann, since this dumb idea seems to have come from her) missed all those Maharishi lectures in which he said *very explicitly* that TM and ME would have such an effect on the environment that if enough people did them conflicts would become impossible. That was the whole *basis* of his Age Of Enlightement and Dawning of Sat Yuga talks. Duh. Maharishi and the TMO *did* claim -- in many, many talks and press releases and sales spiels pitching Invincibility -- that sufficient numbers of TM/ME practitioners would generate such a field of positivity and invincibility around them that no crime would be *possible* within it. So what happened *on the campus of MUM* -- well within the boundaries of this of this all-powerful field of Woo, and with surely sufficient numbers given the percentage of students, teachers, people on courses, and others on campus practicing both TM and the ME -- that made Maharishi's predictions and proclamations go blooey, and ended in a murder? Seems to me you can't have it both ways. To claim publicly that the ME *will* solve all problems by creating a field of Woo...uh...I mean coherence...so powerful that crime cannot exist, and then to say, Oooopsie...we didn't really mean *all* crime when we said 'all crime' Sounds to me as if someone was practicing the fingers crossed mudra. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. Meditation is defined as simply to think things over. Based on this definition, anyone who thinks can meditate. So, following your logic, a person with depression shouldn't think, unless they do so gingerly? What!?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. On the other hand, this quitter seem to know when to quit pressing the Send key, so as not to seen the same inane post three times in a row. :-) Not true, you keep hitting the send key and all your posts sound the same. At least Nabby doesn't keep writing the same damn thing over and over and over and over.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Duh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. TM is based on thinking - so following your logic, if I think, I would be altering how my brain and consequently, my mind, actually works. Can someone put up the definition of TM so we can see what exactly we are doing when we meditate, and so we can isolate any thoughts that might alter our brain and our mind? Or, define TM in such a way as to bring our attention to what happens when we are not thinking, and how this would be of any good. Any help in learning this logic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Duh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. Meditation is defined as simply to think things over. Based on this definition, anyone who thinks can meditate. So, following your logic, a person with depression shouldn't think, unless they do so gingerly? What!?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/8/2014 9:21 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Being enlightened, I have no past present or future. It is all happening right now. You have no past or future because the past is gone and the future isn't here yet. So,the now is passed the instant you hit those keys. So, really you have nothing and nothing is happening, except inside your brain which sees patterns and puts them into a present you would recognize. You would know this if you were enlightened. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Also, as I pointed out to Barry recently, shooting the messenger refers to a messenger who is not himself or herself responsible for the bad-news message. Obviously that's not the case with the messages Barry is being criticized for. In the case of Sem, for example, we've known the bad news ever since the murder occurred. The criticism directed at Barry has to do with his extreme negative--and maliciously dishonest--spin on that old news, much of it directed at the TMers here (plus his idiotic notion that Sem's book was going to make a huge splash and a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect as ineffective). Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-vastu at MUM
On 4/8/2014 8:58 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Ya know what other building was full of mold? That leaky, dilapidated, piece of shit, old chapel. I've been meaning to thank Alex and Petra for helping on this project. It's been years since I visited the MUM campus, but judging from the Google Earth, I am very impressed with the physical campus thses days. It's just awesome what they have been able to accomplish. It sure looks like the TMO is alive and well from where I'm sitting. Keep up the good work! Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/8/2014 9:40 PM, robby1...@yahoo.com wrote: YOu really SOUND enlightened. Thanks, Robby - I was born enlightened. It's not complicated.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
Share, the government can insure *legal opportunity*via our laws. It can't insure *circumstantial opportunity*which is based on our karma. The one intelligent thing I remember Jimmy Carter saying was life isn't fair, at least as how we define *fair*, all things being equal. The government can provide equal opportunity, it can't promise equal outcome nor should it. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:48 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, I don't agree with the idea that everyone in America has equal opportunity for anything. It's an ideal which we haven't reached yet imo. Do you really think that a black male born in the ghetto has equal opportunities with a white male born to a wealthy family?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:05 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2014 4:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: A similar figure in England. I think they call it wealthfare a helping hand for those at the top, who want to stay there So, what does Mike Dixon have to do with U.K. finances? In the U.S., most individuals that are wealthy get that way through capital gains from stock investments in corporations. In any given year, there are probably only .01% of the really wealthy whose portfolio increases. Many U.S. citizens have pensions that are invested in large corporations - 501k plans - which constitute their life savings and retirement funds. In the U.S., everyone has an equal opportunity to make money to invest or spend.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/8/2014 11:16 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: as much as anyone else around here (except Richard, he's so above the rest of us - that's why no one can understand most of what he posts - his enlightened mind is light years ahead of all of us You might consider taking a course in logic or philosophy at a community college. Or, if that's too complicated, take a course in Microcomputer Hardware Repair. You might someday even become a computer operator. At the rate you're going now, it might take ten years or more working with Yahoo Neo to get up to speed. Are you still using the Netscaper? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 7:26 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: And what do you suggest, O Burbling Font of Anticult Wisdom, for those who don't believe in the ME and have always thought the TMO sucked dead dogs? Since it would make no sense for us to try to make a case for either, is it OK for /us/ to criticize the critics when their criticisms are deliberately dishonest and malicious? You are asking for way too much of Barry. We are still waiting for a case to be made that Barry actually saw Rama levitate hundreds of times. While Lenz may have been a demon and a charlatan, what does that make Barry for posting claims like that - the King of Woo Woo? Go figure. Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
On 04/09/2014 05:05 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 4/9/2014 4:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: A similar figure in England. I think they call it wealthfare a helping hand for those at the top, who want to stay there So, what does Mike Dixon have to do with U.K. finances? In the U.S., most individuals that are wealthy get that way through capital gains from stock investments in corporations. In any given year, there are probably only .01% of the really wealthy whose portfolio increases. Many U.S. citizens have pensions that are invested in large corporations - 501k plans - which constitute their life savings and retirement funds. In the U.S., everyone has an equal opportunity to make money to invest or spend. Really? For kicks why don't you go out and apply for some tech jobs (since you apparently have a background in tech) and see what happens at your age. You'd think entrepreneurs would be chomping at the big to grab people who actually have REAL experience. America is fucked. Americans are fucked by the big corporations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
On 4/9/2014 9:41 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I don't agree with the idea that everyone in America has equal opportunity for anything. It's an ideal which we haven't reached yet imo. Do you really think that a black male born in the ghetto has equal opportunities with a white male born to a wealthy family?! Everyone in the U.S. that is a citizen has the same rights as any other citizen - we are all equal under the law, Share. And, we have equal opportunity for economic success, regardless of birth circumstances. In America, nobody can tell you how much money you are going to earn and what you are going to spend it on or not, other than federal and state taxes. So, there are some things to consider: 1. Finish high school and get some college courses. 2. Don't get married until you have finished school. 3. Don't have any offspring until you can afford it. 4. If you do get married, have a five year space between siblings.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Bingo :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. On the other hand, this quitter seem to know when to quit pressing the Send key, so as not to seen the same inane post three times in a row. :-) Not true, you keep hitting the send key and all your posts sound the same. At least Nabby doesn't keep writing the same damn thing over and over and over and over.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
That $235 is probably the average contribution paid through taxes for Medicare. Randi Rhodes has been a big supporter of Obamacare though apparently maybe not so much anymore because I heard her last week complaining about what her 80+ year old mother is expected to pay for supplemental coverage. The insurance companies expect her retired mother to come up with around $15,000 to $20,000 a year for supplemental. You are lucky you have good retirement income. Many folks worked hard all their lives and still wound up with a poor retirement income. We have worse robber barons now more than ever. While they arrest someone for wearing a political t-shirt people like Jamie Dimon, a mass murderer runs free. America the land of the slaves and the rich masters. Time for another revolution if you could get people out from in front of their TVs. Of course then your local police force, which looks like they are equipped for duty in Falujah will slaughter everyone. On 04/09/2014 08:18 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: I'd have to call into question the figures provided that Barry provides. While my retirement income is a bit higher, I really wished I only paid $235.81 a year for medicare! It's closer to *that* per month when counting my medicare advantage program which is only about $65. a month extra over medicare. Must be some smoke and mirrors going on here. I would assume *government subsidies* would include corporate tax incentives or breaks. But then I don't hire employees who intern pay taxes on their earned income. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:55 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 3:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him Apparently, Barry pays zero U.S. income, property or sales tax, unlike Mike Dixon who probably pays all his federal and state taxes. Go figure. Stupid idiot - you're not supposed to use someone's name in the subject line. Only a newbie or a nerd would do something like that. Send in the clowns! But Bawwy pays more than his fair share of Dutch liquor taxes.That should count for something. Excerpt from Dutch Institute for Alcohol Policy: Excise duties are levied on all alcoholic beverages. Like Value Added Tax, excise duties are included in the price the consumer pays. The tax is remitted to the Tax Administration by the manufacturers in the Netherlands, by traders and also by importers of excisable goods (for example, importers of American brandy). For beer, the excise duty is progressive and is levied according to categories expressed in degrees Plato. The excise duties on wine are different between sparkling and non-sparkling (still wines) and are progressive in relation to ranges of alcohol content by volume. There is a special excise duty for products that are in between (for example port, sherry and vermouth). For spirits, the excise duty is levied as a set amount per hectolitre of pure alcohol. In September 2013 Cabinet agreed on a rise in almost all taxes on alcohol as of 2014 (+5,75%). Now the excise duty per glass is: Glass of pilsner beer (250 cc) 9,5 eurocent Glass of still wine (100 cc) 8,8 eurocent Glass of gin (35 cc) 20,6 eurocent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
On 4/9/2014 10:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: In the U.S., everyone has an equal opportunity to make money to invest or spend. Really? For kicks why don't you go out and apply for some tech jobs (since you apparently have a background in tech) and see what happens at your age. You'd think entrepreneurs would be chomping at the big to grab people who actually have REAL experience. In order to get a tech job, you have to reference some experience at tech - that means in the past five years you have to be able to show a prospective employer that you can do the work for a company and that you were on the payroll. You can't get a job if your resume has a five or ten year blank on it where you list your previous employers - sorry, self-employed doesn't make the grade anymore. And, most people fresh out of school don't have a work record to begin with, so they can't get hired. What it takes is a plan - in high school take math and science courses. Then, get some college tech courses under your belt. Apprentice yourself to a large and stable company - work up through the ranks and stick with it and establish a record of good work. You are not going to get a good-paying, long-term job with benefits working on computers or coding at home in your spare room. In our case, since we have fulfilled all of the above, so we could get a job almost anywhere in computer tech field if we wanted to, even at our age. If it has a screen and a keyboard, we can work it and we can fix it. Call us if you hire and promote based on who has the best ideas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 9:56 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: So what happened *on the campus of MUM* -- well within the boundaries of this of this all-powerful field of Woo, and with surely sufficient numbers given the percentage of students, teachers, people on courses, and others on campus practicing both TM and the ME -- that made Maharishi's predictions and proclamations go blooey, and ended in a murder? Never pass up a tragedy in order to win a religious debate. But, the ME is just a theory, not an already accomplished fact. But, logic will tell you that peaceful people promote a peaceful environment and society. MMY wasn't the first person to put forth this theory. Since, you're writing science reports, you shouldn't have any problem looking this up. Unless, you're scared and this is just another post all about Judy. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. On the other hand, this quitter seem to know when to quit pressing the Send key, so as not to seen the same inane post three times in a row. :-) Just quit, Barry. It's that simple. Let's see, how many times have you posted about the TMO and the ME? Has it been ten or twenty years now of posting negative comments aimed at Judy? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/9/2014 10:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Duh. It looks like the answer is in - we can't even agree on the definition of what meditation is. Go figure. Let's rephrase my request: We all think and have thoughts and everyone meditates on something every day. But, how could a thought alter a person's physiological system? If anyone could demonstrate this ability, it would be compared to Copernicus' scientific discoveries. If we could change at will the physical or biological system, just by thinking certain thoughts, we could use that technique to make people well and free from disease. So, can anybody cite a scientific reference to a person ever being able to alter their physiological system by just thinking certain thoughts? Rama levitation events and the Indian rope trick don't count. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. TM is based on thinking - so following your logic, if I think, I would be altering how my brain and consequently, my mind, actually works. Can someone put up the definition of TM so we can see what exactly we are doing when we meditate, and so we can isolate any thoughts that might alter our brain and our mind? Or, define TM in such a way as to bring our attention to what happens when we are not thinking, and how this would be of any good. Any help in learning this logic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 10:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Duh. It looks like the answer is in - we can't even agree on the definition of what meditation is. Go figure. Let's rephrase my request: We all think and have thoughts and everyone meditates on something every day. But, how could a thought alter a person's physiological system? If anyone could demonstrate this ability, it would be compared to Copernicus' scientific discoveries. If we could change at will the physical or biological system, just by thinking certain thoughts, we could use that technique to make people well and free from disease. So, can anybody cite a scientific reference to a person ever being able to alter their physiological system by just thinking certain thoughts? Rama levitation events and the Indian rope trick don't count. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and consequently the mind, actually works. TM is based on thinking - so following your logic, if I think, I would be altering how my brain and consequently, my mind, actually works. Can someone put up the definition of TM so we can see what exactly we are doing when we meditate, and so we can isolate any thoughts that might alter our brain and our mind? Or, define TM in such a way as to bring our attention to what happens when we are not thinking, and how this would be of any good. Any help in learning this logic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/9/2014 10:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Duh. It looks like you lost your train of thought. So, what exactly, is TM? According to MMY, TM is the passing of the cognitive attention from one level of consciousness to another, sutler level of consciousness. This passing back and forth between the gross and finer levels of consciousness is what makes possible the opportunity for transcending. Everyone meditates a few times a day and pauses once or twice to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we are all transcending, all the time, even without a technique. So, what do you think is so special about TM meditation that would cause a person to go blind or grow hair on their palms? Why can't you answer this simple question? In fact, you're talking about nothing - TM is just an acronym made up by Jerry Jarvis in order to facilitate communication. In reality, there's no TM - it's just thinking things over - that's what people do when they meditate. Meditation is just what intelligent people do. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: maybe there are times during the day in depression or during the non-psychotic part of schizophrenia that it might be useful if practised gingerly. Meditation is defined as simply to think things over. Based on this definition, anyone who thinks can meditate. So, following your logic, a person with depression shouldn't think, unless they do so gingerly? What!?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/9/2014 10:21 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: *Not true, you keep hitting the send key and all your posts sound the same. At least Nabby doesn't keepwriting the same damn thing over and over and over and over.* If I had the time, Ann, I would go back into the archives of Google Groups and copy some of Barry's messages to see if they are still the same messages he sends these days to FFL. Does anyone want to wager that they are the same damn thing over and over? How much would anyone be willing to wager? Let me know - if I might be able to win some bucks, I might make time to do it. I have a PayPal account.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
He's probably payed by his Buddhist Overlords to continue the anti-TMO campaign as long as he has breath. How much does he get every time he posts an old post from a new angel ? Can't be much considering the Dolly Lama has blown his money from Nobel long time ago on first-class airline tickets visiting his Hollywood friends. Soon he is going to Europe where few Governments officially wants to meet him since he's considered a clown who has given up Tibet and sought permanent protection from the Indians. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. On the other hand, this quitter seem to know when to quit pressing the Send key, so as not to seen the same inane post three times in a row. :-) Just quit, Barry. It's that simple. Let's see, how many times have you posted about the TMO and the ME? Has it been ten or twenty years now of posting negative comments aimed at Judy? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
On 4/9/2014 8:55 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Apparently, Barry pays zero U.S. income, property or sales tax, unlike Mike Dixon who probably pays all his federal and state taxes. Go figure. Stupid idiot - you're not supposed to use someone's name in the subject line. Only a newbie or a nerd would do something like that. Send in the clowns! But Bawwy pays more than his fair share of Dutch liquor taxes.That should count for something. Most people don't move to Amsterdam just to drink liquor, so I wonder how much the pot tax is over there?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Read Judy's response or my post again :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
Hmmm, I agree that life isn't fair, Mike and that the govt. can't and shouldn't provide equal outcome. BUT...I think more could be done in the area of equal opportunity to ensure that it's practiced and not only recorded in some book. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:36 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, the government can insure *legal opportunity*via our laws. It can't insure *circumstantial opportunity*which is based on our karma. The one intelligent thing I remember Jimmy Carter saying was life isn't fair, at least as how we define *fair*, all things being equal. The government can provide equal opportunity, it can't promise equal outcome nor should it. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:48 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, I don't agree with the idea that everyone in America has equal opportunity for anything. It's an ideal which we haven't reached yet imo. Do you really think that a black male born in the ghetto has equal opportunities with a white male born to a wealthy family?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:05 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2014 4:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: A similar figure in England. I think they call it wealthfare a helping hand for those at the top, who want to stay there So, what does Mike Dixon have to do with U.K. finances? In the U.S., most individuals that are wealthy get that way through capital gains from stock investments in corporations. In any given year, there are probably only .01% of the really wealthy whose portfolio increases. Many U.S. citizens have pensions that are invested in large corporations - 501k plans - which constitute their life savings and retirement funds. In the U.S., everyone has an equal opportunity to make money to invest or spend.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Won't help. She's determined to pander to Barry by supporting his shooting the messenger notion, even though he's misusing the term. Read Judy's response or my post again :-) Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Mike Dixon and those who think like him
#5 Stay out of trouble with the law. Many employers don't like hiring felons. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:57 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2014 8:55 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Apparently, Barry pays zero U.S. income, property or sales tax, unlike Mike Dixon who probably pays all his federal and state taxes. Go figure. Stupid idiot - you're not supposed to use someone's name in the subject line. Only a newbie or a nerd would do something like that. Send in the clowns! But Bawwy pays more than his fair share of Dutch liquor taxes.That should count for something. Most people don't move to Amsterdam just to drink liquor, so I wonder how much the pot tax is over there?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Wrong, Judy. What I did was disagree with turq about the efficacy of TM and ME. Maybe that's pandering in your book. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:07 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Won't help. She's determined to pander to Barry by supporting his shooting the messenger notion, even though he's misusing the term. Read Judy's response or my post again :-) Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Please read what I wrote again, Share, and see if you're capable of coming up with a response that doesn't avoid the point I was making. I doubt it, but we'll see. Wrong, Judy. What I did was disagree with turq about the efficacy of TM and ME. Maybe that's pandering in your book. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:07 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Won't help. She's determined to pander to Barry by supporting his shooting the messenger notion, even though he's misusing the term. Read Judy's response or my post again :-) Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Nablusoss, I was letting you know that I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger, which is what Ann's post suggested. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:58 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Read Judy's response or my post again :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
The Turq's probably payed by his Buddhist Overlords to continue the anti-TMO campaign as long as he has breath. How much does he get every time he re-posts an old post with a new angel ? Can't be much considering the Dolly Lama has blown most of his money from Nobel long time ago on first-class airline tickets visiting his Hollywood friends. Soon he is going to Europe where few Governments officially wants to meet him since he's considered a clown who has given up Tibet and sought permanent protection from the Indians. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: You're wasting your time. This poor Turq-fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, met. On the other hand, this quitter seem to know when to quit pressing the Send key, so as not to seen the same inane post three times in a row. :-) Just quit, Barry. It's that simple. Let's see, how many times have you posted about the TMO and the ME? Has it been ten or twenty years now of posting negative comments aimed at Judy? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
See what I mean, Nabs? If Barry says criticizing him is shooting the messenger, then it's shooting the messenger in Share's mind, no matter what the phrase actually means. Nablusoss, I was letting you know that I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger, which is what Ann's post suggested. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:58 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Read Judy's response or my post again :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Judy, of course you left out the part where I disagreed with turq so that you could make your point about my alleged pandering. This is one of your oft used strategies when you want to win win win no matter what. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:22 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Please read what I wrote again, Share, and see if you're capable of coming up with a response that doesn't avoid the point I was making. I doubt it, but we'll see. Wrong, Judy. What I did was disagree with turq about the efficacy of TM and ME. Maybe that's pandering in your book. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:07 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Won't help. She's determined to pander to Barry by supporting his shooting the messenger notion, even though he's misusing the term. Read Judy's response or my post again :-) Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
LOL, I don't know, I just get sucked in against all my better judgement. Maybe deep down I think he'll listen but after all these years maybe not. As he himself says, thoughts can't affect his mind... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
salyavin, usually I find you pretty fair minded in your posts. But not so much this time. What about the at least 2 other people who have been posting for decades? They get a pass from you about that? Only Richard is guilty?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:42 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: LOL, I don't know, I just get sucked in against all my better judgement. Maybe deep down I think he'll listen but after all these years maybe not. As he himself says, thoughts can't affect his mind... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] MUM REview
I loved this review so much I just had to post it - I hope I get to meet the poster one day so I can shake their hand. Been here for 60 days came from India. They cashed my check and for now I am stuck here. Hope to get out soon and go home. Wanted to come to America to meet Americans. But here you only see people who talk about maharishi like he’s some kind of god. That guy did some real mind games on these folks. I just nod my head pretending I like what they say because that keeps them happy and besides sense they already cashed my check nothing I can do right now. Writing this while everyone is meditating…for the 4th time today. Every day its “have you meditated?”; “how was your mediation?”;”when are you going to mediate again?”, “hey, we’re going to go meditate, want to come”. “No thank you, but a flight back to India/anywhere would be nice”. I got to get out and start a life. This place makes the tiny village I came from seem like a meeting of the Algonquin round table. Someone just knocked on my door to ask me to type quieter so I don’t disturbed their meditation. I need a baseball bat.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Assuming you aren't joking: It's not about length of time spent posting, it's about the Chinese water torture of Tricky dicky's endless repetition. Yes, I should ignore it but I can't help getting sucked in. Won't happen again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, usually I find you pretty fair minded in your posts. But not so much this time. What about the at least 2 other people who have been posting for decades? They get a pass from you about that? Only Richard is guilty?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:42 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: LOL, I don't know, I just get sucked in against all my better judgement. Maybe deep down I think he'll listen but after all these years maybe not. As he himself says, thoughts can't affect his mind... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM REview
Huh? Someone went to MUM and they don't meditate! Didn't they read the brochure? I thought it would have been made clear that doing TM was the main bit of the course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I loved this review so much I just had to post it - I hope I get to meet the poster one day so I can shake their hand. Been here for 60 days came from India. They cashed my check and for now I am stuck here. Hope to get out soon and go home. Wanted to come to America to meet Americans. But here you only see people who talk about maharishi like he’s some kind of god. That guy did some real mind games on these folks. I just nod my head pretending I like what they say because that keeps them happy and besides sense they already cashed my check nothing I can do right now. Writing this while everyone is meditating…for the 4th time today. Every day its “have you meditated?”; “how was your mediation?”;”when are you going to mediate again?”, “hey, we’re going to go meditate, want to come”. “No thank you, but a flight back to India/anywhere would be nice”. I got to get out and start a life. This place makes the tiny village I came from seem like a meeting of the Algonquin round table. Someone just knocked on my door to ask me to type quieter so I don’t disturbed their meditation. I need a baseball bat.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
salyavin, I think Judy and turq also repeat themselves. True, not as much as Richard does. But I think he has redeeming qualities too, as do they. I guess it's just a matter of the fact that we all get triggered by different stuff. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:59 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Assuming you aren't joking: It's not about length of time spent posting, it's about the Chinese water torture of Tricky dicky's endless repetition. Yes, I should ignore it but I can't help getting sucked in. Won't happen again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, usually I find you pretty fair minded in your posts. But not so much this time. What about the at least 2 other people who have been posting for decades? They get a pass from you about that? Only Richard is guilty?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:42 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: LOL, I don't know, I just get sucked in against all my better judgement. Maybe deep down I think he'll listen but after all these years maybe not. As he himself says, thoughts can't affect his mind... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
As predicted. You lose. What do you think would happen if you were actually straightforward for once, Share? Would you melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West? What are you so afraid of? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, of course you left out the part where I disagreed with turq so that you could make your point about my alleged pandering. This is one of your oft used strategies when you want to win win win no matter what. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:22 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Please read what I wrote again, Share, and see if you're capable of coming up with a response that doesn't avoid the point I was making. I doubt it, but we'll see. Wrong, Judy. What I did was disagree with turq about the efficacy of TM and ME. Maybe that's pandering in your book. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:07 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Won't help. She's determined to pander to Barry by supporting his shooting the messenger notion, even though he's misusing the term. Read Judy's response or my post again :-) Nablusoss, just for the record, I didn't think you were accusing me of shooting the messenger. I did think it was sort of funny that you shot the messenger in reply to my non shooting post. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:12 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, thank you but I was attempting to NOT shoot the messenger! Anyway, we're all just evolving here. Or developing, which is the unloaded word I prefer. Everybody's got a mix of health and abnormality in their system. Make good use of the best and leave the rest. Cowabunga! Nabby wasn't accusing you of shooting the messenger, Share. He was telling you to stop wasting your time trying to talk sense to Bawwy. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Don't waste your time. This fellow is a quitter and has forgotten what real meditation is all about. What is left is a bitter old man spending whatever remains of his life-energy desperately trying to denounce the only real Saint he, however briefly, ever met. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I think the ME exists just as I think that TM brings about diving deep and then releasing stress and or going around a big iceberg, to use one of Maharishi's analogies. Which is to say that a person either agrees with this explanation or they do not. If they do not, then they can reasonably say that neither TM or the ME works. If they agree with this explanation, then they can reasonably say that both TM and the ME are working as predicted. Speaking as someone who agrees with this explanation, I will nonetheless add that sometimes the best way to deal with unstressing is something other than checking a person's meditation! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ... Wouldn't it be a little more impressive if all these people who still feel strongly about the TMO and still seem to believe that the ME is -- or even may be -- a real phenomenon spent a little time making a case for either, rather than trying to either demonize the critics or portray them as crazy? Wouldn't that display a little more...dare I say it?...creative intelligence? Just sayin'... That seems to be the strongest point that you, and Michael focus on, i.e. the ME and why it doesn't it seem to have an impact in the immediate area of FF. I don't have an answer for it. I think Ann made a good point, that there seems to be a misconception of the part of Michael, at least, that the ME is capable of having such a transforming effect on the environment that conflicts will become non existent. It is in areas like this where I think he sometimes has a problem separating fantasy from reality, hence my comment along those lines. But as to why it hasn't lowered crime or other problems in FF, no idea. I don't have a definitive answer either, but I suspect that the most likely answer is that the ME doesn't actually exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Not a chance. The other day Share asked him a couple of perfectly reasonable questions about something he'd written. He quoted the two questions, and underneath each of them typed in a paragraph that had nothing whatsoever to do with what she'd asked him. Hard to believe. The only time I mess with him is when he's told a potentiallly destructive lie, and then it's just a matter of my stating the facts to counter the lie. There's never any listening on his part, just more trolling. It isn't possible to have a rational conversation with him. LOL, I don't know, I just get sucked in against all my better judgement. Maybe deep down I think he'll listen but after all these years maybe not. As he himself says, thoughts can't affect his mind... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
(guffaw) And Share claims she doesn't pander... salyavin, usually I find you pretty fair minded in your posts. But not so much this time. What about the at least 2 other people who have been posting for decades? They get a pass from you about that? Only Richard is guilty?! On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:42 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: LOL, I don't know, I just get sucked in against all my better judgement. Maybe deep down I think he'll listen but after all these years maybe not. As he himself says, thoughts can't affect his mind... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why the hell do you bother, Salyavin? I was actually hoping you'd come out and say that you'd never got anything from meditating and was asking a genuine question. Or maybe you just did that? Anyways, that'd be funny if you'd been doing it wrong your whole life and never gotten anything - explain a lot too. But I guess you actually do know that some words - or the way they are used - hold wonders for the human mind, but instead you just want to dance about it and ask obtuse questions like I'd want to go along and argue the toss about nothing. But you've managed to waste another 5 minutes of my one and only precious life so I guess that's your mission accomplished. Trolls, go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/9/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What's the point of you? What do you get out of this, I can think of a trillion things I'd rather be doing than talking crap on an internet forum. I just don't get why anyone would bother, and for decades. Why don't you just STFU? If you don't want to dance, why did you come to the dance party? Go figure.
