Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Agreed. Very Solomon-like, getting rid of both the 12-year-old and the.whiner. I don't auto delete jedi's posts, just nuke them at the first glimpse of crazy, which is much of the time. Dan, however, has been on my DNR list since he reappeared, but he *still* required maintenance, just to empty the folder collecting his posts. It's been like living alone but having to flush the toilet 100 times a day to get rid of someone else's shit. Good riddance. On Oct 3, 2014, at 22:57, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
[FairfieldLife] The Art of Stopping Fights with Non-Violence
Obviously, Rick is right up there in the Top Ten Zen all-time fight-stoppers with this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8FpLUEbN-8 :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups Google Groups Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.comPreview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide.All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
I agree with your post Xeno - and these things when applied to TM'ers like Buck just go to show that TM just doesn't work as advertised. I wish it did, I really do. It just doesn't in many, and I believe in most cases. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL As meditators of the TM persuasion are, at least in their minds, marshalling the support of all the laws of nature, persecution should not be much more than batting away slightly annoying gnats. However real persecution requires a bit more machinery than a single individual can really bring to bear on a forum. I meditate, and yet I am still capable of dumb and stupid things (even though it's exactly what is required in the larger scheme of things), and meditators often display, with their mouths, a higher sense of purpose than they can actually muster in fact. We are all ordinary people, attempting to ameliorate some persistent delusions. At least that is what I hope. And hope is one of those persistent delusions, anticipating that what one wants to happen in the wider theatre of life is in fact what will actually happen — but what usually happens is always a bit off from that when we are lucky. To call someone a hater means that somewhere in the the mind one is becoming a reflection of that same concept, that one is reacting as if one is a mirror of what one wants to eliminate, whereas what one needs to be is an empty portal through which hate can pass without leaving a mark or a reflection. That does not mean that some kind of action against an individual or a group cannot be initiated, for sometimes to avoid being destroyed, one must do likewise and destroy, but how you will pay for that as internal strife in the mind or not depends on how much you can be that empty portal. A victim mentality does not get one a free pass in life, it just means you get stepped on and that you somehow think you are privileged in making a complaint. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
There does appear to be a physiological correlate to Samahdi, and the permanent witnessing, though it must be more comprehensive than anything western medicine recognizes, because the effect perpetuates, in an unaltered state, no matter what the relative awareness is doing. There are other side effects, too, as I seem to be getting *younger*, and stronger, as the years go by. Several people have remarked on the difference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Mac said: Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. What is the role of the brain in Samadhi and higher states? Sparaig recently quoted MMY: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. … Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. This implies or opens the door to a model that Samadhi and higher states are achieved via neuroplasticity of the brain -- culturing and refining it in ways as to enable Samadhi, eventually on permanent basis. That is, the brain is optimized via new neural connections, long-term potentiation (persistent increase in synaptic strength following high-frequency stimulation of a chemical synapse) across existing neural pathways, changes in activation potential of long cascades of neurons, modification of mix, availability and persistence of neurotransmitters (NT), changes in NT receptors, etc. Which is a fascinating prospect. And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. However, if Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi would not be sustained upon death of the body. And may not persevere with large changes to brain chemistry or structural changes from accidents or disease such as Alzheimers. And cessation of Samadhi at death would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature, which in turn would then tend to place all statements in traditional literature in question. On the other hand, if Samadhi is not brain dependent, then what are physiological / brain research on meditation / yoga measuring? And why would the body or brain matter in modalities to culture Samadhi? These questions keep me awake at night.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
I don't do the bullshit capital s, since the big s self is the only one I identify with. So when I say self, I mean the real one. There cannot be a meaningful distinction, between something real, and something imagined. Not the same ballpark. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 10:12 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. Some more minor comments: According to MMY, the Self is eternal and transcendental to time and space; the self lives inside time and space and the senses. The individual self is an appearance only - a product of the senses. If appearances derived through one sensory channel appear contradictory, it is natural to appeal to other senses for corroboration. The question is, how do we decide between conflicting senses? The transcendentalists who arranged the Upanishads agree that we must transcend the world of sense perception in order to know and understand the world of perception. They all agreed that the indescribable material world is of a self-contradictory nature and that if you want to remove the contradictions you have to transcend the world. Otherwise, a person is just using common sense: thinking that the world of objects is the only existence, that there is nothing beyond or transcendental to the senses. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... mailto:martyboi@... wrote : I'm not sure what CC is, but if it includes witnessing sleep I don't think any physiological state could stop it. I think it should continue under anesthesia or even drunkenness. Should continue, even when the body drops too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Thanks, Rick. The first sentence of Dan's (final) post to you is plainly bizarre, and looks like he may need surgery, to remove that massive chip on his shoulder. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
You are talking about the nut jobs in Marin. They are the ones most in need of the technique, and therefore the most set against it - think about that, MJ. That woman you are so enamored with, is c-r-a-z-y, which a five minute news piece, several years ago, made obvious. Your anti TM stance is admirable for its consistency, though you may want to look around periodically, and notice that your neighborhood - the most vocal critics of TM - are how to say this delicately, fucking lunatics, every one of them. Good morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Art of Stopping Fights with Non-Violence
ass kisser. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Obviously, Rick is right up there in the Top Ten Zen all-time fight-stoppers with this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8FpLUEbN-8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8FpLUEbN-8 :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Everybody has heard of Maharishi and TM, but who is Charlie Lutes (rhetorical question). Hey MJ, ever hear the expression that there is no such thing as bad publicity? So by bringing up TM and Maharishi, continuously, guess who and what are being helped? THANK YOU, and Jai Guru Dev!!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Everybody has heard of Maharishi and TM, but who is Charlie Lutes (rhetorical question). Hey MJ, ever hear the expression that there is no such thing as bad publicity? So by bringing up TM and Maharishi, continuously, guess who and what are being helped? THANK YOU, and Jai Guru Dev!!! It's an interesting lecture. Perhaps some here would spend 28 minutes to listen to this unique american: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Everybody has heard of Maharishi and TM, but who is Charlie Lutes (rhetorical question). Hey MJ, ever hear the expression that there is no such thing as bad publicity? So by bringing up TM and Maharishi, continuously, guess who and what are being helped? THANK YOU, and Jai Guru Dev!!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
I stopped going to Charlie's weekly meetings in Santa Monica/West L.A. after he went all wrathful demon on me over a perceived affront that wasn't one, but before that I'd been a regular customer. *Not* because of anything he might say in the talks, but because it was the Best Pickup Joint in Los Angeles. Were they on Wednesday nights or Friday nights? I forget. Anyway, for those who weren't there they were held in a fairly large auditorium off Santa Monica Blvd., in a building primarily known for two things, neither of them Charlie Lutes. First, the building contained a recording studio where Fleetwood Mac used to record. Second, there was an enormous painting on the back of the building, titled, The End of the Freeway. Charlie's talks were on the other side of the wall this painting is on. The painting contains a joke that you may not get unless you can zoom in on it. The partial freeway sign is announcing an exit for a town on the *Eastern* border of California -- this is the coastline after the Big One. Anyway, IMO Charlie's meetings weren't popular for either of these two reasons, or for what he said -- they were where you went if you were a meditating adult in L.A./West L.A. and were lookin' to hook up with a possible soulmate. LOTS of couples met each other at Charlie's talks. I met one of my long-term girlfriends there, and she was a real sweetie, so I'll always have a soft spot for Charlie, just for holding those meetings. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yaI hoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Richard, if something happens to FFL, I hope you'll start a yahoo group and
invite me to join. Even if I still haven't figured out how to snip posts in
yahoo email format (-:
On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/3/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you.
So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended
by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely
accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy
threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the
discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a
report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets
upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the
discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom
Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar.
Did I get this right?
Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/
Bravo Rick! Well done.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and
intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed
some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:55 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you.
Actually, Dan has not been courteous to MJ but it doesn't matter one way or
another. Dan is pro TM and MJ is con. End of story.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Bravo Rick! Well done.
From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the
group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock
from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman
[mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...]
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick
Archer,I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at
the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator.Instead of opening a
Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's
Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain
control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife
Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group.And
while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I
feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting
discriminatory behavior.Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire
congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no
longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal
Notice.Daniel Friedmancopies
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Maybe one day you will arrive at a more mature understanding the spiritual path, and the master disciple relationship. Until then I suggest you stick with the Disney version of how the world works. Sure Ariel encounters some challenges along the way, but in the end, everything turns out hunky dory. And the same can apply to the spiritual path in general, but the severity of the challenges and expanded timeline may be something a little out of your league at least at present. Reflect on it, pray on it, work on it. (Is that the name of a movie?) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
always the coolest guy wherever you are Barry. the epitome of the guy who got Playboy magazine for the articles and not the pictures. if I could have a nickel for every guy who said that.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I stopped going to Charlie's weekly meetings in Santa Monica/West L.A. after he went all wrathful demon on me over a perceived affront that wasn't one, but before that I'd been a regular customer. *Not* because of anything he might say in the talks, but because it was the Best Pickup Joint in Los Angeles. Were they on Wednesday nights or Friday nights? I forget. Anyway, for those who weren't there they were held in a fairly large auditorium off Santa Monica Blvd., in a building primarily known for two things, neither of them Charlie Lutes. First, the building contained a recording studio where Fleetwood Mac used to record. Second, there was an enormous painting on the back of the building, titled, The End of the Freeway. Charlie's talks were on the other side of the wall this painting is on. The painting contains a joke that you may not get unless you can zoom in on it. The partial freeway sign is announcing an exit for a town on the *Eastern* border of California -- this is the coastline after the Big One. Anyway, IMO Charlie's meetings weren't popular for either of these two reasons, or for what he said -- they were where you went if you were a meditating adult in L.A./West L.A. and were lookin' to hook up with a possible soulmate. LOTS of couples met each other at Charlie's talks. I met one of my long-term girlfriends there, and she was a real sweetie, so I'll always have a soft spot for Charlie, just for holding those meetings. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yaI hoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Yes Guru Dev did too. Jerry seemed lukewarm on the TM-Siddhis too. But Maharishi pursued Patanjali and the rest is history. The science also seems to vindicate his decision to figure out the Patanjali practice. Learning to practice a la the Yoga Sutra instructions is a great formula for cultivating the transcendent in life. The TM-sidhis in effect combining and amalgamating the transcendental and buddhistic mindfulness together was the insight. It is a spiritual key to the universe when you get the hang of it. !Jai Guru Patanjali! -Buck in the Dome mjackson writes : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake.. ..and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy (Maharishi) introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : can you say, I have a lot of anger in me wr to Maharishi and the TMO For every bigot, anti semite and racist out there, there isn't one who doesn't think that they tell the truth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't make anti-Semitic remarks and I tell the truth about Marshy your fake greedy guru and his fraud committing Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thanks, Rick. The first sentence of Dan's (final) post to you is plainly bizarre, and looks like he may need surgery, to remove that massive chip on his shoulder. A tad volatile. Just don't insult any game shows a family member of his might like. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I stopped going to Charlie's weekly meetings in Santa Monica/West L.A. after he went all wrathful demon on me over a perceived affront that wasn't one, but before that I'd been a regular customer. *Not* because of anything he might say in the talks, but because it was the Best Pickup Joint in Los Angeles. Were they on Wednesday nights or Friday nights? I forget. Anyway, for those who weren't there they were held in a fairly large auditorium off Santa Monica Blvd., in a building primarily known for two things, neither of them Charlie Lutes. First, the building contained a recording studio where Fleetwood Mac used to record. Second, there was an enormous painting on the back of the building, titled, The End of the Freeway. Charlie's talks were on the other side of the wall this painting is on. The painting contains a joke that you may not get unless you can zoom in on it. The partial freeway sign is announcing an exit for a town on the *Eastern* border of California -- this is the coastline after the Big One. Anyway, IMO Charlie's meetings weren't popular for either of these two reasons, or for what he said -- they were where you went if you were a meditating adult in L.A./West L.A. and were lookin' to hook up with a possible soulmate. LOTS of couples met each other at Charlie's talks. I met one of my long-term girlfriends there, and she was a real sweetie, so I'll always have a soft spot for Charlie, just for holding those meetings. So, the only way bawee can get a date is to go to a TM lecture. Figures.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. Other than the threatening letter Dan sent to Rick, I would have to say that neither Dan or Jedi were more or less odious than a lot of others here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/4/2014 7:05 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, if something happens to FFL, I hope you'll start a yahoo group and invite me to join. Even if I still haven't figured out how to snip posts in yahoo email format (-: /Anyone can read or join Google Groups and you can use an alias - it's free and there is no moderator. // // //One of my favorite groups is alt.meditation.transcendental. That's the group where you will find an in-depth discussions of the mechanics of consciousness. The respondents over there don't get into gurus very much or talk about personalities - it's all about the technique - what works. // // //It's not a place for posers - which seems to be the main reason most of the informants came over to Yahoo Groups - maybe they couldn't take the heat; or maybe they just wanted some personal attention; or maybe they came here just to denigrate people that live in Fairfield and practice TM. Maybe they are just JELLOS. Go figure. // // //Go to Google Groups - alt.meditation.transcendental - and click on Join group, if you want to post a message. Otherwise just read an enjoy. It's all there, all the information you will ever need or answers to questions you forgot to ask:// // //Google Groups:// //https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/CzpvcXZtrKU https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/CzpvcXZtrKU/ On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/3/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. /So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar. / Did I get this right? Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ Bravo Rick! Well done.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Buck thanks for observation - I've been thinking similar recently that it's not about the sutras or powers but the locating of awareness between - so I mix up the order of sutras and make up a few of my own because as Hillary would say what difference does it make? It's easier and more clear to do eyes open (mindfulness?). . . locate awareness and look at what's in front of me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
She seems pretty sane to me and she only got into this past year when the Movement made moves on her son's school, so you must be referring to another woman From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco You are talking about the nut jobs in Marin. They are the ones most in need of the technique, and therefore the most set against it - think about that, MJ. That woman you are so enamored with, is c-r-a-z-y, which a five minute news piece, several years ago, made obvious. Your anti TM stance is admirable for its consistency, though you may want to look around periodically, and notice that your neighborhood - the most vocal critics of TM - are how to say this delicately, fucking lunatics, every one of them. Good morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Thanks, Richard and I see what you mean about that group. Very good knowledge
being discussed, and in easy to follow language.
One of the things I like about FFL is the range of topics here. I like that
there are both conservatives and liberals. I like that people post about
science and world events and health and jyotish, etc. And even their own lives.
Some great photos too.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:08 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/4/2014 7:05 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Richard, if something happens to FFL, I hope you'll start a yahoo group and
invite me to join. Even if I still haven't figured out how to snip posts in
yahoo email format (-:
Anyone can read or join Google Groups and you can use an alias - it's free and
there is no moderator.
One of my favorite groups is alt.meditation.transcendental. That's the group
where you will find an in-depth discussions of the mechanics of consciousness.
The respondents over there don't get into gurus very much or talk about
personalities - it's all about the technique - what works.
It's not a place for posers - which seems to be the main reason most of the
informants came over to Yahoo Groups - maybe they couldn't take the heat; or
maybe they just wanted some personal attention; or maybe they came here just to
denigrate people that live in Fairfield and practice TM. Maybe they are just
JELLOS. Go figure.
Go to Google Groups - alt.meditation.transcendental - and click on Join group,
if you want to post a message. Otherwise just read an enjoy. It's all there,
all the information you will ever need or answers to questions you forgot to
ask:
Google Groups:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/CzpvcXZtrKU
On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/3/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you.
So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended
by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely
accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy
threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from
the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a
report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets
upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the
discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom
Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar.
Did I get this right?
Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/
Bravo Rick! Well done.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as /anti-Semetic/, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. / Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure./ P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/3/2014 9:14 PM, feste37 wrote: This is hilarious. /So, the Spock guy gets falsely accused of posting an anti-semitic message to a spiritual discussion group, but the message was directed not to a group of people, but to an individual about his religion and his religious faith; so the moderator goes bat-shit crazy and posts a warning to the group that the rule is - no posting remarks about Judaism - but, posting rumors about people that live in Fairfield is perfectly alright. Go figure. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : /So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar. / Did I get this right? Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ Bravo Rick! Well done.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
[FairfieldLife] Anti-Semitism on FFL, was, Photo series
On 10/3/2014 11:08 AM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. /Maybe it's time to review the purpose of this group and discuss what exactly your intentions were in creating it in the first place. // // //At the risk of sounding redundant, you are supposed to snip the post that you are deleting - that way, the ADL won't be able to see what the offending message was and sue you. // // //What you need to do is scrub the entire site for anti-Semetic comments and delete them so the Yahoo administrators or anybody else can't read them.// // //This might take up a lot of your spare time, so you might consider deleting everything - unless you want the police to shut down FFL for you.// // //In that case, don't even bother to shut it down, Rick./ *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 9:15 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. *bummer* * You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. ** --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :* *You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing.* *As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic!* *But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be?* *Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the closest to feeling nothing while still alive and conscious if I had allowed that force, that terrible overwhelming numbness to take a hold. I'm no mood maker, this was real. I was given an experience that told me, loud and clear, that one element of evil as it can sometimes manifest in human beings is a lack of ability to feel and that numbness (like novocaine throughout the body) is the antithesis to healthy life. There are outside forces out there - I don't mess around - even with Ouija boards. I have had some real concrete experiences of all sorts of malevolent forces in the world, they are not to be messed with.** *
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/3/2014 10:32 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I don't make anti-Semitic remarks and I tell the truth about Marshy your fake greedy guru and his fraud committing Movement. You do realize you just posted an offensive anti-Semitic message, right? Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 10:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi If mouth and arrogance is enough to get someone booted from this group, how come you are still here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. *From:* Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. *From:* 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference is
that there is no TMO ADL!
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of
Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old
Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous,
vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary
criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his
hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and
libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very
curious double standards operating here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
H,Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty ofanti-religion to
go around -- not just against the Jews. Ifsomeone says TM is of the devil etc.
with ALL CAPS etcwill yougive equal warnings?
Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock'smessage as
anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock'sopinion about the Jewish
religion. It looks like Rick panicked andgot really scared when Dan threatened
to file a report to the ADL,so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on
him posting.
Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's beendeleted. This
should be notice to you: you could be banned fromFFL for expressing your
opinion and all you messages deleted forever.Go figure.
P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficultto follow the
conversation, and when you fail to click on Showmessage history, other
informants don't even know what Rick's ruleis about posting messages.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
On 10/3/2014 9:16 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here. * * */Bye Bye to Buck - apparently Rick doesn't take threats lightly. Go figure./* * *Om, so evidently FFL being a yahoo-group privately owned and operated exclusively by Rick and seeing as Rick won't give me the keys to the place, it would seem that in procedure if I threatened to bring the full heat of the Southern Poverty Law Center on to the FFL yahoo group with a formal complaint about the vile hateful defamation of meditators that MJ methodically heaps in regularly puking out here then that complaint could get both of us kicked off FFL by precedent. MJ is such a pernicious hateful extreme defamer of all that is good with TM I should be doing all of humanity a large favor getting him removed from FFL that way, as Rick won't give me the keys to this place otherwise.* *-Buck in the Dome* *The Southern Poverty Law Center:* The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society.*http://www.splcenter.org/* The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate groups and other extremists throughout the United States and exposes their activities to law enforcement agencies, the media and the public.** *Fighting Hateful Extremism: http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism* *Hatewatch:* *http://www.splcenter.org/blog/* *Teaching Tolerance:* *Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance* image http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance We know we won’t achieve equality and justice through the courts and investigative reporting alone. The future of our great country lies in the hands of t... View on www.splcenter.org http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Preview by Yahoo s3raphita@... writes : There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection against attacks on their religion: 1) those of us who are not Jews and have long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be judged on what he/she does and says; and . . . 2) once you allow Jews to claim that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the moment it's Muslims who are trying to get anti-Islamic hate laws in place (Islamophobia = anti-Semitism). If they succeed then expect Scientologists to follow their lead. By the way: the Anti-Defamation League has a nasty reputation for trampling on free speech. Take a walk through Google and you'll come across some troubling cases. Poor David Icke (yes, I know he's a fruitcake) had a hard time from ADL a while back on a book tour. The ADL activists came across as self-righteous prigs. Take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
You are correct Jim. I was a student in 1979 when Bevan and Byron Rigby
replaced Jerry and Charlie on the MIU Board of Trustees.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:44 PM, jimonthemov...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
According to Bob Brigante, Charles Lutes had previouslystudied the occult
under Manly P. Hall and he was a member of theRosicrucian Fellowship.
Apparently Lutes was reluctant to give itup which was one of the reasons why
Lutes was not on theMUM board of trustees.
Probably not the most important correction every made on FFL by a long shot,
but I remember Charlie Lutes being on the MIU Board of Trustees in the mid to
late seventies.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend
everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea
tea now and then.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:03 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
...there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine, because of
Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It’s
just a matter of time before this disease is carried to every corner of the
world.
CBS Philly:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/
Addressing the important issues:
According to Tom Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, we must be relentless in stopping the spread of ebola in West
Africa. After all, after all is said and done here, that is the only way to
truly and completely protect the health security of America -- and the world.
By January there could be millions of people infected with the virus.
Asking the important questions:
Who is going to spend the money to keep this epidemic contained so that it
doesn't turn into a pandemic? How much would it cost to invent a vaccine? How
will military units on the ground have the discipline, the will and the
resources to mobilize tomorrow, build treatment centers really fast and deliver
the care and medicine needed?
Taking action:
The U.S. has boots are on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and now 3,600
troops are being sent into Liberia to help manage the crises. How many boots on
the ground and how much money will it take to defeat ISIS and the Ebola?
'Pentagon Sending 600 More Military Personnel to Fight Ebola in Africa'
http://tinyurl.com/ppx4xhj
'Ebola virus: Pandemic should be treated 'the same way' as threat posed by
nuclear weapons, security officials say'
The Independent:
http://tinyurl.com/poc6r9j
'Five blunders US made in treating country's first Ebola patient'
The Telegraph:
http://tinyurl.com/nhuek6c
For anyone paying attention, the long-brewing crisis hardly came out of
nowhere.
'We Screwed Up On Ebola, And Now The Crisis Is Getting Much Worse'
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/screwed-ebola-response-result-cost-073019431.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
MJ, as Mr. Spock might say, Your logic is weak. For your last sentence one
could substitute breathing for TM: if breathing is so good, why are so many
breather's lives so screwed up?
And OTOH, if TM is supposedly so bad, why is it good for so many people,
including people who have suffered great traumas?
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2
schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and
inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not,
especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination
proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many
TM'ers lives so screwed up?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM
was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the
happiest school in San Francisco?
BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey
results?
Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time
periods?
L.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been
in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted -
she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there -
maybe I'll share it when I get time one day.
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any
reason.
And yet...
This opinion piece came out in January of this year:
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php
Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools
The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it:
http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/
When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably
better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school,
one has to wonder about them, just a tad...
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/3/2014 11:22 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: can you say, I have a lot of anger in me wr to Maharishi and the TMO /So, I don't think he really cares if Rick gets reported to the ADL and the SLPC and FFL gets taken down - in fact, he would probably try to claim credit for the sabotage. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't make anti-Semitic remarks and I tell the truth about Marshy your fake greedy guru and his fraud committing Movement. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 10:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi If mouth and arrogance is enough to get someone booted from this group, how come you are still here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. *From:* Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. *From:* 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
On 10/3/2014 10:42 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: well when you take the fact that Mahesh Prasad said the mantras were names of gods in his first book, Meditations of maharishi mahesh yogi, and repeated it ad infinitum in the early years of the Movement, then claimed they were meaningless sounds Maybe you don't realize that you just posted a series of untruths - all of these points have been discredited by Judy and others many times on FFL and alt.m.t. Now you're just trolling for attention. Almost everything in your message is based on a prejudice against Hindus. Go figure. /Prejudice: often used to refer to unfavorable, judgments toward people or a person because on race/ethnicity, gender, political opinion, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, , language, nationality or other personal characteristics./ made a tape that he sold to initiators only claiming that we exist to provide soma for the gods and they give us boons to get that soma soup, then took the tape back and threatened to excommunicate the ones who didn't send it back and pretended he never told people anything that bizarre or absurd. Made promises and broke them regularly (like canceling ATR credit for teachers) told everyone he was a life long celibate and screwed as many women as he could took money under false pretenses for decades, made grander and grander promises none of which were ever fulfilled (people will get enlightened, people will fly, turn invisible,) TMSP is 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, no negative side effects from TM and TMSP and on and on, what kind of things do you expect me and other clear thinking individuals to say about someone who obviously was a liar, sexual opportunist if not abuser and flimflam man and con artist? *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 10:16 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL *No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here. * *Om, so evidently FFL being a yahoo-group privately owned and operated exclusively by Rick and seeing as Rick won't give me the keys to the place, it would seem that in procedure if I threatened to bring the full heat of the Southern Poverty Law Center on to the FFL yahoo group with a formal complaint about the vile hateful defamation of meditators that MJ methodically heaps in regularly puking out here then that complaint could get both of us kicked off FFL by precedent. MJ is such a pernicious hateful extreme defamer of all that is good with TM I should be doing all of humanity a large favor getting him removed from FFL that way, as Rick won't give me the keys to this place otherwise.* *-Buck in the Dome* *The Southern Poverty Law Center:* The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society.*http://www.splcenter.org/* The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate groups and other extremists throughout the United States and exposes their activities to law enforcement agencies, the media and the public.** *Fighting Hateful Extremism: http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism* *Hatewatch:* *http://www.splcenter.org/blog/* *Teaching Tolerance:* *Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance* image http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance We know we won’t achieve equality and justice through the courts and investigative reporting alone. The future of our great country lies in the hands of t... View on www.splcenter.org http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Preview by Yahoo s3raphita@... writes : There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection against attacks on their religion: 1) those of us who are not Jews and have long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be judged on what he/she does and says; and . . . 2) once you allow Jews to claim that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the moment it's Muslims who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/4/2014 2:09 AM, Turq turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Agreed. Very Solomon-like, getting rid of both the 12-year-old and the.whiner. /You realize that you have just posted an anti-Semitic message, right?/ I don't auto delete jedi's posts, just nuke them at the first glimpse of crazy, which is much of the time. Dan, however, has been on my DNR list since he reappeared, but he *still* required maintenance, just to empty the folder collecting his posts. It's been like living alone but having to flush the toilet 100 times a day to get rid of someone else's shit. Good riddance. /You sound really scared, Barry, flushing out all those messages that hurt your feelings - so at least we are keeping you busy. Go figure./ On Oct 3, 2014, at 22:57, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. *From:* 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Everybody that comes here with the intent to finally clean up FFL, ends up leaving pretty quickly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thanks, Rick. The first sentence of Dan's (final) post to you is plainly bizarre, and looks like he may need surgery, to remove that massive chip on his shoulder. A tad volatile. Just don't insult any game shows a family member of his might like. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Everybody that comes here with the intent to finally clean up FFL, ends up leaving pretty quickly. Are we that incorrigible? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thanks, Rick. The first sentence of Dan's (final) post to you is plainly bizarre, and looks like he may need surgery, to remove that massive chip on his shoulder. A tad volatile. Just don't insult any game shows a family member of his might like. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Yes, I used to enjoy hearing 'Charlie' stories, as an relief, from the Movement's one-pointed focus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Everybody has heard of Maharishi and TM, but who is Charlie Lutes (rhetorical question). Hey MJ, ever hear the expression that there is no such thing as bad publicity? So by bringing up TM and Maharishi, continuously, guess who and what are being helped? THANK YOU, and Jai Guru Dev!!! It's an interesting lecture. Perhaps some here would spend 28 minutes to listen to this unique american: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Everybody has heard of Maharishi and TM, but who is Charlie Lutes (rhetorical question). Hey MJ, ever hear the expression that there is no such thing as bad publicity? So by bringing up TM and Maharishi, continuously, guess who and what are being helped? THANK YOU, and Jai Guru Dev!!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea tea now and then. I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. I'm bleeding out of every orifice in my body and dying of a raging fever while a virus attacks my major organs and the lining of my veins and arteries but I think I'll go and have a spot of echinacea tea, maybe it will make me feel better. If only it were that simple. Or maybe you were saying echinacea tea will prevent Ebola. Either way, you still gave me a good giggle.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Zelig of the Netherlands. The inner Barry reminds me of the outer George Hamilton, fake tan and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : always the coolest guy wherever you are Barry. the epitome of the guy who got Playboy magazine for the articles and not the pictures. if I could have a nickel for every guy who said that.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I stopped going to Charlie's weekly meetings in Santa Monica/West L.A. after he went all wrathful demon on me over a perceived affront that wasn't one, but before that I'd been a regular customer. *Not* because of anything he might say in the talks, but because it was the Best Pickup Joint in Los Angeles. Were they on Wednesday nights or Friday nights? I forget. Anyway, for those who weren't there they were held in a fairly large auditorium off Santa Monica Blvd., in a building primarily known for two things, neither of them Charlie Lutes. First, the building contained a recording studio where Fleetwood Mac used to record. Second, there was an enormous painting on the back of the building, titled, The End of the Freeway. Charlie's talks were on the other side of the wall this painting is on. The painting contains a joke that you may not get unless you can zoom in on it. The partial freeway sign is announcing an exit for a town on the *Eastern* border of California -- this is the coastline after the Big One. Anyway, IMO Charlie's meetings weren't popular for either of these two reasons, or for what he said -- they were where you went if you were a meditating adult in L.A./West L.A. and were lookin' to hook up with a possible soulmate. LOTS of couples met each other at Charlie's talks. I met one of my long-term girlfriends there, and she was a real sweetie, so I'll always have a soft spot for Charlie, just for holding those meetings. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yaI hoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' I never saw Lutes, but have friends who went to every Charlie event they could get to, and have listened to a number of tapes made of his lectures. They range from pretty standard praise of TM to all sorts of whacky stuff about his all sorts of esoteric nonsense. He very clearly claimed to be enlightened, told people to stop doing TM or back off on it temporarily if they were having heavy unstressing, and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. That's all I know. If you need anything more about it Stevie, go as George Hammond to check in with Charlie. Maybe he can clarify things for you. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/4/2014 7:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. /Thanks for defending Dan and his right to object to anti-Semitic remarks. It looks like if you make a threat to report the FFL moderator for incompetence, he might retaliate and ban you from the group. ///Now that's a real thought-stopper! /Where I come from silence usually indicates agreement./ On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:55 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. Actually, Dan has not been courteous to MJ but it doesn't matter one way or another. Dan is pro TM and MJ is con. End of story. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. *From:* 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
Ann, as often happens, you misunderstand what I've written and omit other
stuff. Of course I'm recommending to take colloidal silver as a preventative
measure! As for enchinecea tea, it's recognized by many as an immune system
booster. Now that I think of it, giggling probably is too (-:
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend
everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea
tea now and then.
I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. I'm bleeding out of every orifice in my body
and dying of a raging fever while a virus attacks my major organs and the
lining of my veins and arteries but I think I'll go and have a spot of
echinacea tea, maybe it will make me feel better. If only it were that simple.
Or maybe you were saying echinacea tea will prevent Ebola. Either way, you
still gave me a good giggle.
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[FairfieldLife] Very Important
Everyone take note, this could change your lives http://www.elephantjournal.com/2014/10/7-tips-to-avoid-frustration-disaster-during-mercury-retrograde/ http://www.elephantjournal.com/2014/10/7-tips-to-avoid-frustration-disaster-during-mercury-retrograde/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, as often happens, you misunderstand what I've written and omit other stuff. Of course I'm recommending to take colloidal silver as a preventative measure! As for enchinecea tea, it's recognized by many as an immune system booster. Now that I think of it, giggling probably is too (-: It's okay Share, I don't think I missed too much in your post - it was only two sentences long. Just grant me the privilege of being able to giggle at you once in a while. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea tea now and then. I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. I'm bleeding out of every orifice in my body and dying of a raging fever while a virus attacks my major organs and the lining of my veins and arteries but I think I'll go and have a spot of echinacea tea, maybe it will make me feel better. If only it were that simple. Or maybe you were saying echinacea tea will prevent Ebola. Either way, you still gave me a good giggle.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Marin county people would tend to be into their own gurus and not have problems with Hindu mantras. They just don't want them taught in public schools where there should be separation of church and state. Over the years they've tended to shy away from pop gurus. On 10/04/2014 04:37 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are talking about the nut jobs in Marin. They are the ones most in need of the technique, and therefore the most set against it - think about that, MJ. That woman you are so enamored with, is c-r-a-z-y, which a five minute news piece, several years ago, made obvious. Your anti TM stance is admirable for its consistency, though you may want to look around periodically, and notice that your neighborhood - the most vocal critics of TM - are how to say this delicately, fucking lunatics, every one of them. Good morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
That and raising the price of TM during a recession and that TM should have been a for profit and not a non profit. He came to Seattle at least once a year and his talks, sponsored by SRM, were largely attended. We also had teachers meetings with him where he expressed his concerns. On 10/03/2014 08:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. /Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide.//All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith./ You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. /Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide.//All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
On 10/3/2014 12:13 PM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ... imagine a White Supremacist were in here spewing outrageous nastiness on a regular basis. It looks like Rick hasn't been reading the messages on his own discussion group. Go figure. /Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it./ https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ I think most all would agree that he should be banned. So it’s a matter of degree, and when someone moves a bit too far in that direction, in my opinion, he should be warned and if he ignores the warning, banned. *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Duveyoung *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 11:36 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Free speech allows the negativity addicts to expose themselves for what they are, see? Don't get me wrongly -- I'd toss out about half of the folks posting here regularly for their vile trolling and personal attacks. But that's just me as if it were Edg's Party. If you were throwing an actual real world party and these folks showed up, I'd never come to one of your parties again. But now that they're here, lemonade can be made by pointing out that these broken psyches were never helped by TM -- a strong warning to any who are being sucked into the promised-heavens. Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. Of course, if your party were the ideal conversation pit with everyone being civil, informed, logical -- I wouldn't be allowed, because I love to scream. Sigh..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
Governments seize colloidal silver being used to successfully treat Ebola
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On Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:13 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, as often happens, you misunderstand what I've written and omit other
stuff. Of course I'm recommending to take colloidal silver as a preventative
measure! As for enchinecea tea, it's recognized by many as an immune system
booster. Now that I think of it, giggling probably is too (-:
It's okay Share, I don't think I missed too much in your post - it was only
two sentences long. Just grant me the privilege of being able to giggle at you
once in a while.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend
everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea
tea now and then.
I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. I'm bleeding out of every orifice in my body
and dying of a raging fever while a virus attacks my major organs and the
lining of my veins and arteries but I think I'll go and have a spot of
echinacea tea, maybe it will make me feel better. If only it were that simple.
Or maybe you were saying echinacea tea will prevent Ebola. Either way, you
still gave me a good giggle.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/4/2014 6:31 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks, Rick. The first sentence of Dan's (final) post to you is plainly bizarre, and looks like he may need surgery, to remove that massive chip on his shoulder. /You realize that you just posted an anti-Semitic threat message, right? Let's blame the victim.//But, is forced frontal lobe surgery any different from gassing?/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on Bill Maher
Sam Harris goes head to head with Ben Affleck (contrary to RawStory's headline) over a topic we keep discussing here on FFL. Video of the segment included: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/its-gross-its-racist-ben-affleck-and-bill-maher-clash-over-criticizing-islam/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Very Important
A lot of schools of jyotish don't recognize retrogrades as significant. It tends to be a tropical astrology thing. On 10/04/2014 09:11 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Everyone take note, this could change your lives http://www.elephantjournal.com/2014/10/7-tips-to-avoid-frustration-disaster-during-mercury-retrograde/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Guru Dev was speaking in context, about those who make the accumulation of such abilities, the main focus of their spiritual pursuit, and without any preparation. Remember, TM hadn't been revived yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes Guru Dev did too. Jerry seemed lukewarm on the TM-Siddhis too. But Maharishi pursued Patanjali and the rest is history. The science also seems to vindicate his decision to figure out the Patanjali practice. Learning to practice a la the Yoga Sutra instructions is a great formula for cultivating the transcendent in life. The TM-sidhis in effect combining and amalgamating the transcendental and buddhistic mindfulness together was the insight. It is a spiritual key to the universe when you get the hang of it. !Jai Guru Patanjali! -Buck in the Dome mjackson writes : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake.. ..and also very clearly did not approve of Marshy (Maharishi) introducing the siddhis. He said it wasn't good for the Movement efforts at spreading TM to more people and he thought teaching the powers was just not a good idea to start with. Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Richard, you're welcome. And thank you too for posting that bit from yahoo
guidelines. And for making the point about blaming the victim.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:02 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/4/2014 7:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of
fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly
enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone.
Thanks for defending Dan and his right to object to anti-Semitic remarks. It
looks like if you make a threat to report the FFL moderator for incompetence,
he might retaliate and ban you from the group. Now that's a real
thought-stopper!
Where I come from silence usually indicates agreement.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:55 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you.
Actually, Dan has not been courteous to MJ but it doesn't matter one way or
another. Dan is pro TM and MJ is con. End of story.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Bravo Rick! Well done.
From: 'Rick Archer' rick@...
[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to
moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and
jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel
Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...]
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick
Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at
the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a
Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's
Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain
control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife
Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And
while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I
feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting
discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire
congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no
longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal
Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
two birds, one stone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
It seems I have replaced Turq as the most reviled person here on FFL - ahh, the company I keep, Curtis, Turq and all the other gods! I don't hate Marshy and Company, just disgusted by their behavior - so now tell me Feste, what sort of libel have I committed, eh? Tell me what I have said that is libelous, given the accepted definition of libel, which is a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation It is only libel if it is written and published, and if it is false. If true, it cannot be libel and if it is unclear whether or not it is true, but the author as clearly identified the statement as opinion then it is not libel. Much of what I have written here has been identified by me as my opinion and the rest, well, I invite the Movement to sue me anytime it likes. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
victim?? There was no victim. Dan clearly escalated things with that bizarre letter to the JDL, and getting all bent out of shape. Holding no cows sacred is the vibe on here, and I am sorry if he felt that anyone was going after him, personally. Dan was also very up front, even aggressive in his attitudes, and his opinions. I would never think of him as a victim, and I doubt he thinks of himself in that way. Simply because you liked his presence, doesn't mean that he wasn't kicked off for good reason. I liked some of what he posted, also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, you're welcome. And thank you too for posting that bit from yahoo guidelines. And for making the point about blaming the victim. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:02 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/4/2014 7:11 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. Thanks for defending Dan and his right to object to anti-Semitic remarks. It looks like if you make a threat to report the FFL moderator for incompetence, he might retaliate and ban you from the group. Now that's a real thought-stopper! Where I come from silence usually indicates agreement. On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:55 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. Actually, Dan has not been courteous to MJ but it doesn't matter one way or another. Dan is pro TM and MJ is con. End of story. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@ mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
It seems I have replaced Turq as the most reviled person here on FFL Spellcheck, dude. It's spelled r-i-d-i-c-u-l-e-d. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It seems I have replaced Turq as the most reviled person here on FFL - ahh, the company I keep, Curtis, Turq and all the other gods! I don't hate Marshy and Company, just disgusted by their behavior - so now tell me Feste, what sort of libel have I committed, eh? Tell me what I have said that is libelous, given the accepted definition of libel, which is a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation It is only libel if it is written and published, and if it is false. If true, it cannot be libel and if it is unclear whether or not it is true, but the author as clearly identified the statement as opinion then it is not libel. Much of what I have written here has been identified by me as my opinion and the rest, well, I invite the Movement to sue me anytime it likes. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly exposed. But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is just really alright. Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference is that there is no TMO ADL! On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
ask the TM'ers who get so mentally/emotionally screwed up they want to commit suicide. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco MJ, as Mr. Spock might say, Your logic is weak. For your last sentence one could substitute breathing for TM: if breathing is so good, why are so many breather's lives so screwed up? And OTOH, if TM is supposedly so bad, why is it good for so many people, including people who have suffered great traumas? On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Good one Fleet! From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule It seems I have replaced Turq as the most reviled person here on FFL Spellcheck, dude. It's spelled r-i-d-i-c-u-l-e-d. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It seems I have replaced Turq as the most reviled person here on FFL - ahh, the company I keep, Curtis, Turq and all the other gods! I don't hate Marshy and Company, just disgusted by their behavior - so now tell me Feste, what sort of libel have I committed, eh? Tell me what I have said that is libelous, given the accepted definition of libel, which is a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation It is only libel if it is written and published, and if it is false. If true, it cannot be libel and if it is unclear whether or not it is true, but the author as clearly identified the statement as opinion then it is not libel. Much of what I have written here has been identified by me as my opinion and the rest, well, I invite the Movement to sue me anytime it likes. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
I agree with Feste. As much as I don't care much for Jedi due to his having been creepy and offensive in private emails to me in the past, I don't think his comment about the Torah and Judaism warranted a ban from FFL. As for booting Dan, I don't really care one way or the other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Your logic is STILL weak. It is possible, that for SOME people, TM is counter-indicated, for example, with relaxation induced anxiety -but that can happen with any relaxation practice, not just TM. Other groups might be counter-indicated as well, but there's no peer-reviewed research showing just which groups to worry about. Even with the statistics provided, that there is a 2x greater chance of a TMer committing suicide in Fairfield, than in the general population, that isn't saying as much as you suggest. In the article I cited earlier, 1 or 2 people every 2 years were found to have serous problems from long-periods of meditation at a single yoga retreat which housed 90 people or thereabouts. The 3000 TMers all presumably practice TM far more than the average outside of Fairfield, but that's 30x as many people as on that yogic retreat, and the statistic was from 6 years, not 2. Even on the most notorious TM retreat in history, where the Beatles stayed, there were no reported deaths or burnouts, despite having dozens, if not hundreds, of reporters hanging around to catch all the gossip. Mia Farrow went on to a 45+ year career as a TM teacher, + getting a PhD in Sanskrit from UC Berkley, and the Beatles wrote a song about how she meditated too much while they were there. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : ask the TM'ers who get so mentally/emotionally screwed up they want to commit suicide. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco MJ, as Mr. Spock might say, Your logic is weak. For your last sentence one could substitute breathing for TM: if breathing is so good, why are so many breather's lives so screwed up? And OTOH, if TM is supposedly so bad, why is it good for so many people, including people who have suffered great traumas? On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Just noticed that first sentence. Is there a non Jewish ADL?
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 4:31 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Thanks, Rick. The first sentence of Dan's (final) post to you is plainly
bizarre, and looks like he may need surgery, to remove that massive chip on his
shoulder.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the
group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock
from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman
[mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...]
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick
Archer,I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at
the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator.Instead of opening a
Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's
Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain
control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife
Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group.And
while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I
feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting
discriminatory behavior.Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire
congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no
longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Coup d'Etat in North Korea?
I also read that he has a major cheese addiction. Must have been born in the
year of the rat.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:27 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
It appears that the young dictator is in a power struggle with his older
generals. Can he win?
http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
they did get kicked out of two schools in the same district - when I get time I'll tell you which ones if you like - they stole some furniture according to someone I know at one school too - yeah let 'em sue me for slander and libel over that! From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
So Michael, does this not count?!
Share to Ann at 7:11 am: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan
brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And
actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that
they're gone.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any
willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made
a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly
exposed.
But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is
just really alright.
Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable
action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set.
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference
is that there is no TMO ADL!
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of
Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old
Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous,
vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary
criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his
hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and
libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very
curious double standards operating here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
H,Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty ofanti-religion to
go around -- not just against the Jews. Ifsomeone says TM is of the devil etc.
with ALL CAPS etcwill yougive equal warnings?
Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock'smessage as
anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock'sopinion about the Jewish
religion. It looks like Rick panicked andgot really scared when Dan threatened
to file a report to the ADL,so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on
him posting.
Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's beendeleted. This
should be notice to you: you could be banned fromFFL for expressing your
opinion and all you messages deleted forever.Go figure.
P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficultto follow the
conversation, and when you fail to click on Showmessage history, other
informants don't even know what Rick's ruleis about posting messages.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
To summarize (and probably oversimplify) Fred's research: Samadhi is where a healthy brain is not doing anything, but is still alert. In more detail, during PC during TM, the connectivity of the default mode network (the part of the brain that activates when you're not trying to DO something) becomes very enhanced, while the doing aspect of the activity of the brain becomes less. This has the effect of enhancing connectivity between the parts of the brain that have to do with sense of self. Along with this, the person's reaction to stressful situations becomes less intense. Outside of meditation, as these connections become stronger, the meditator starts to notice the emergence of a strong, uninvolved sense of self. As these connections become even stronger, the sense of self becomes permanent in the sense that it is present at all times, whether waking, dreaming or sleeping. By this point, one no longer sees temporary things like beliefs and emotions as being the true self. Along with this, the person's reaction to stressful situations becomes less intense. As the connections become even stronger, the person's reaction to stressful situations becomes less intense. Rinse and repeat. GC and UC seem to be enhancements of this situation but don't just involve connections within the frontal lobes, but with the rest of the brain as well. In UC, I'm guessing, not only are the connections very strong bertween the frontal lobes (sense of self) and the rest of the brain, but the doing aspect of electrical activity of the brain has become very much a harmonic sitting on top of the sense of self lower alpha frequencies. In a very real, physical, measurable, sense, all perception and activity are now harmonic fluctuations of the sense of self highly coherent alpha EEG. Everything is simply fluctuations of Self, as MMY says. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There does appear to be a physiological correlate to Samahdi, and the permanent witnessing, though it must be more comprehensive than anything western medicine recognizes, because the effect perpetuates, in an unaltered state, no matter what the relative awareness is doing. There are other side effects, too, as I seem to be getting *younger*, and stronger, as the years go by. Several people have remarked on the difference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Mac said: Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. What is the role of the brain in Samadhi and higher states? Sparaig recently quoted MMY: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. … Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. This implies or opens the door to a model that Samadhi and higher states are achieved via neuroplasticity of the brain -- culturing and refining it in ways as to enable Samadhi, eventually on permanent basis. That is, the brain is optimized via new neural connections, long-term potentiation (persistent increase in synaptic strength following high-frequency stimulation of a chemical synapse) across existing neural pathways, changes in activation potential of long cascades of neurons, modification of mix, availability and persistence of neurotransmitters (NT), changes in NT receptors, etc. Which is a fascinating prospect. And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. However, if Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi would not be sustained upon death of the body. And may not persevere with large changes to brain chemistry or structural changes from accidents or disease such as Alzheimers. And cessation of Samadhi at death would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature, which in turn would then tend to place all statements in traditional literature in question. On the other hand, if Samadhi is not brain dependent, then what are physiological / brain research on meditation / yoga measuring? And why would the body or brain matter in modalities to culture Samadhi? These questions keep me awake at night.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Michael, I do realize that you twice called me a liar in this post. Plus you
implied that I said or wrote what you put in quotation marks in the last
paragraph.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any
willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made
a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly
exposed.
But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is
just really alright.
Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable
action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set.
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference
is that there is no TMO ADL!
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of
Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old
Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous,
vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary
criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his
hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and
libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very
curious double standards operating here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
H,Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty ofanti-religion to
go around -- not just against the Jews. Ifsomeone says TM is of the devil etc.
with ALL CAPS etcwill yougive equal warnings?
Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock'smessage as
anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock'sopinion about the Jewish
religion. It looks like Rick panicked andgot really scared when Dan threatened
to file a report to the ADL,so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on
him posting.
Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's beendeleted. This
should be notice to you: you could be banned fromFFL for expressing your
opinion and all you messages deleted forever.Go figure.
P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficultto follow the
conversation, and when you fail to click on Showmessage history, other
informants don't even know what Rick's ruleis about posting messages.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
!This is fabulous scientific validation and description in an age of reason! Transcending meditation haters and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi bashers eat crow! Jai Guru Dev, -Buck LEnglish5@... wrote : To summarize (and probably oversimplify) Fred's research: Samadhi is where a healthy brain is not doing anything, but is still alert. In more detail, during PC during TM, the connectivity of the default mode network (the part of the brain that activates when you're not trying to DO something) becomes very enhanced, while the doing aspect of the activity of the brain becomes less. This has the effect of enhancing connectivity between the parts of the brain that have to do with sense of self. Along with this, the person's reaction to stressful situations becomes less intense. Outside of meditation, as these connections become stronger, the meditator starts to notice the emergence of a strong, uninvolved sense of self. As these connections become even stronger, the sense of self becomes permanent in the sense that it is present at all times, whether waking, dreaming or sleeping. By this point, one no longer sees temporary things like beliefs and emotions as being the true self. Along with this, the person's reaction to stressful situations becomes less intense. As the connections become even stronger, the person's reaction to stressful situations becomes less intense. Rinse and repeat. GC and UC seem to be enhancements of this situation but don't just involve connections within the frontal lobes, but with the rest of the brain as well. In UC, I'm guessing, not only are the connections very strong bertween the frontal lobes (sense of self) and the rest of the brain, but the doing aspect of electrical activity of the brain has become very much a harmonic sitting on top of the sense of self lower alpha frequencies. In a very real, physical, measurable, sense, all perception and activity are now harmonic fluctuations of the sense of self highly coherent alpha EEG. Everything is simply fluctuations of Self, as MMY says. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There does appear to be a physiological correlate to Samahdi, and the permanent witnessing, though it must be more comprehensive than anything western medicine recognizes, because the effect perpetuates, in an unaltered state, no matter what the relative awareness is doing. There are other side effects, too, as I seem to be getting *younger*, and stronger, as the years go by. Several people have remarked on the difference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Mac said: Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. What is the role of the brain in Samadhi and higher states? Sparaig recently quoted MMY: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. … Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. This implies or opens the door to a model that Samadhi and higher states are achieved via neuroplasticity of the brain -- culturing and refining it in ways as to enable Samadhi, eventually on permanent basis. That is, the brain is optimized via new neural connections, long-term potentiation (persistent increase in synaptic strength following high-frequency stimulation of a chemical synapse) across existing neural pathways, changes in activation potential of long cascades of neurons, modification of mix, availability and persistence of neurotransmitters (NT), changes in NT receptors, etc. Which is a fascinating prospect. And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. However, if Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi would not be sustained upon death of the body. And may not persevere with large changes to brain chemistry or structural changes from accidents or disease such as Alzheimers. And cessation of Samadhi at death would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature, which in turn would then tend to place all statements in traditional literature in question. On the other hand, if Samadhi is not brain dependent, then what are physiological / brain research on meditation / yoga measuring? And why would the body or brain matter in modalities to culture Samadhi? These questions keep me awake at
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
No, Michael, Share's logic is right on. It is your spiritual myopia and blinders of obsession which prevent you from having any kind of clear view of things. As I've said before, it appears that those who sought to create their own brand of spirituality and failed are the most embittered. Try, (if you can) to look ahead, instead of constantly dwelling on your spiritual failings which (as many do) you pin on your past teachers. Courage, Michael. It's whats for dinner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : ask the TM'ers who get so mentally/emotionally screwed up they want to commit suicide. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco MJ, as Mr. Spock might say, Your logic is weak. For your last sentence one could substitute breathing for TM: if breathing is so good, why are so many breather's lives so screwed up? And OTOH, if TM is supposedly so bad, why is it good for so many people, including people who have suffered great traumas? On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
How would the DLF QUiet Time program steal furniture? A regular school teacher already employed by the school learns to ring a bell at the start and end of the Quiet TIme period. TM teachers don't teach at Quiet Time schools, but at the local TM center or at someone's home. Checking is also done at someone's home or at the local TM center. QT is just that 15 minutes at the start and end of the school day where students are told to sit quietly and not talk to each other. What opportunity would anyone from teh DLF or the local group that manages the quiet time program have to walk off with furniture? Why would they do so in the first place? [visions of aTM teacher ending his or her non-existent presnce for 15 minutes by grabbing a desk that a student is sitting in and running with it to the parking lot] Someone is having fun with you, I suspect. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : they did get kicked out of two schools in the same district - when I get time I'll tell you which ones if you like - they stole some furniture according to someone I know at one school too - yeah let 'em sue me for slander and libel over that! From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
I viewed it as burning a flag. It's too bad, because something like that is usually in the rearview mirror in a matter minutes unless someone overreacts, as Dan did. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I agree with Feste. As much as I don't care much for Jedi due to his having been creepy and offensive in private emails to me in the past, I don't think his comment about the Torah and Judaism warranted a ban from FFL. As for booting Dan, I don't really care one way or the other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coup d'Etat in North Korea?
He was probably enjoying life and cheese too much, and forgot that there are many other people within his circle of generals who are hungrier to usurp the power away from him. Let's find out where he ends up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : I also read that he has a major cheese addiction. Must have been born in the year of the rat. On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:27 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It appears that the young dictator is in a power struggle with his older generals. Can he win? http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980 http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
since he never was courteous to me, as you claimed, and your assertion that I was behaving in a low manner based on his (nonexistent) courtesy to me, then my behavior was not low in any respect, so you did not address the scurrilous nature of your false allegation towards me, but its not unusual for a TM junkie to behave in such a fashion - I mean after all Marshy taught everyone to ignore the truth, say whatever you like and then tell everyone to pay no attention to what you said before. So I won't hold it against you - its just the upbringing you had in the Movement From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule So Michael, does this not count?! Share to Ann at 7:11 am: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly exposed. But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is just really alright. Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference is that there is no TMO ADL! On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Let's face it, Rick is being practical. The Jews are very aggressive about any antisemitism and could get someone at Yahoo freaked enough to close FFL down. It may not be right to surrender, but it does avoid the danger not yet come. If Yahoo closed FFL, the lost would be significant, but if Rick bans antisemitism, the lost to the world's ability to have free speech would be hardly noticed. An easy call for Rick, methinks. Now if the various communities around the world got as aggressively defensive, hoo boy, who could then say anything about anything? Think of all the downtrodden folks who could equally claim the world has smacked them as badly as were the Jews. I've never confronted my Jewish friends about this.might have to do so, cuz this shit's gotta stop. And, hey, for what Israel is doing to Palestine while Jews around the world remain mostly silent, I say they've lost their right to bitch about Hitler. They should go back to dissing the Pharaoh.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
your assertions on this point are all incorrect - there were TM teachers at at least one school everyday. The pujas were done on site and that was one of the problems. When the TM'ers moved in, they had their own mail slot in the office of the school, and they requested new couches in their room, a room mind you that they completely papered over, all doors and windows covered with opaque paper so no one could see in. They got the couches and when after a few months this lady and her supporters got their asses kicked out, the day after they left, school personnel went into the room to unpaper it - correct they didn't even bother to take it down - and lo and behold the new couches were gone. Now in the interest of fairness, maybe the school principle had gifted the couches to the TM'ers and maybe the TM'ers having had their brains all turned to mush from too many years of doing TMSP just THOUGHT the couches belonged to them and it was an honest mistake. I don't know but the couches were gone. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco How would the DLF QUiet Time program steal furniture? A regular school teacher already employed by the school learns to ring a bell at the start and end of the Quiet TIme period. TM teachers don't teach at Quiet Time schools, but at the local TM center or at someone's home. Checking is also done at someone's home or at the local TM center. QT is just that 15 minutes at the start and end of the school day where students are told to sit quietly and not talk to each other. What opportunity would anyone from teh DLF or the local group that manages the quiet time program have to walk off with furniture? Why would they do so in the first place? [visions of aTM teacher ending his or her non-existent presnce for 15 minutes by grabbing a desk that a student is sitting in and running with it to the parking lot] Someone is having fun with you, I suspect. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : they did get kicked out of two schools in the same district - when I get time I'll tell you which ones if you like - they stole some furniture according to someone I know at one school too - yeah let 'em sue me for slander and libel over that! From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Michael, imo Dan was often kind and or courteous to you and also imo your
remark to Rick was low given that he was; also low in that Dan was no longer
here to defend himself.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:56 PM, Michael Jackson
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
since he never was courteous to me, as you claimed, and your assertion
that I was behaving in a low manner based on his (nonexistent) courtesy to
me, then my behavior was not low in any respect, so you did not address the
scurrilous nature of your false allegation towards me, but its not unusual for
a TM junkie to behave in such a fashion - I mean after all Marshy taught
everyone to ignore the truth, say whatever you like and then tell everyone to
pay no attention to what you said before.
So I won't hold it against you - its just the upbringing you had in the Movement
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
So Michael, does this not count?!
Share to Ann at 7:11 am: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan
brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And
actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that
they're gone.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any
willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made
a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly
exposed.
But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is
just really alright.
Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable
action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set.
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference
is that there is no TMO ADL!
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of
Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old
Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous,
vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary
criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his
hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and
libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very
curious double standards operating here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
H,Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty ofanti-religion to
go around -- not just against the Jews. Ifsomeone says TM is of the devil etc.
with ALL CAPS etcwill yougive equal warnings?
Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock'smessage as
anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock'sopinion about the Jewish
religion. It looks like Rick panicked andgot really scared when Dan threatened
to file a report to the ADL,so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on
him posting.
Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's beendeleted. This
should be notice to you: you could be banned fromFFL for expressing your
opinion and all you messages deleted forever.Go figure.
P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficultto follow the
conversation, and when you fail to click on Showmessage history, other
informants don't even know what Rick's ruleis about posting messages.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/4/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks, Richard and I see what you mean about that group. Very good knowledge being discussed, and in easy to follow language. One of the things I like about FFL is the range of topics here. I like that there are both conservatives and liberals. I like that people post about science and world events and health and jyotish, etc. And even their own lives. Some great photos too. Just remember, Usenet when accessed using Google Chrome, is in the public domain while Yahoo Groups is proprietary - Yahoo owns everything posted here. Open source Usenet is the best choice in order to insure data integrity - on Yahoo Groups you never know when some nerd administrator is going to delete your messages and ban you from posting to the group. Go figure. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:08 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/4/2014 7:05 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, if something happens to FFL, I hope you'll start a yahoo group and invite me to join. Even if I still haven't figured out how to snip posts in yahoo email format (-: /Anyone can read or join Google Groups and you can use an alias - it's free and there is no moderator. // // //One of my favorite groups is alt.meditation.transcendental. That's the group where you will find an in-depth discussions of the mechanics of consciousness. The respondents over there don't get into gurus very much or talk about personalities - it's all about the technique - what works. // // //It's not a place for posers - which seems to be the main reason most of the informants came over to Yahoo Groups - maybe they couldn't take the heat; or maybe they just wanted some personal attention; or maybe they came here just to denigrate people that live in Fairfield and practice TM. Maybe they are just JELLOS. Go figure. // // //Go to Google Groups - alt.meditation.transcendental - and click on Join group, if you want to post a message. Otherwise just read an enjoy. It's all there, all the information you will ever need or answers to questions you forgot to ask:// // //Google Groups:// //https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/CzpvcXZtrKU https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/CzpvcXZtrKU/ On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/3/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. /So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar. / Did I get this right? Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ Bravo Rick! Well done.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
That's radically different than the QT descriptions I have read about. Do you have proof of this besides what you heard someone say someone complained about? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : your assertions on this point are all incorrect - there were TM teachers at at least one school everyday. The pujas were done on site and that was one of the problems. When the TM'ers moved in, they had their own mail slot in the office of the school, and they requested new couches in their room, a room mind you that they completely papered over, all doors and windows covered with opaque paper so no one could see in. They got the couches and when after a few months this lady and her supporters got their asses kicked out, the day after they left, school personnel went into the room to unpaper it - correct they didn't even bother to take it down - and lo and behold the new couches were gone. Now in the interest of fairness, maybe the school principle had gifted the couches to the TM'ers and maybe the TM'ers having had their brains all turned to mush from too many years of doing TMSP just THOUGHT the couches belonged to them and it was an honest mistake. I don't know but the couches were gone. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco How would the DLF QUiet Time program steal furniture? A regular school teacher already employed by the school learns to ring a bell at the start and end of the Quiet TIme period. TM teachers don't teach at Quiet Time schools, but at the local TM center or at someone's home. Checking is also done at someone's home or at the local TM center. QT is just that 15 minutes at the start and end of the school day where students are told to sit quietly and not talk to each other. What opportunity would anyone from teh DLF or the local group that manages the quiet time program have to walk off with furniture? Why would they do so in the first place? [visions of aTM teacher ending his or her non-existent presnce for 15 minutes by grabbing a desk that a student is sitting in and running with it to the parking lot] Someone is having fun with you, I suspect. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : they did get kicked out of two schools in the same district - when I get time I'll tell you which ones if you like - they stole some furniture according to someone I know at one school too - yeah let 'em sue me for slander and libel over that! From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
On 10/4/2014 10:08 AM, feste37 wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. /It looks like the forum has lost it's moral compass and without Judy to moderate, the group has fallen further into disrepute. To make matters worse, now the apparent victim has been banned too. Obviously there's some prejudice when a religious belief can't even be discussed.// // //This all could have been settled with just a few words in a private email or two. // // //It looks like attention has been called to the rampant anti-Semitism and libelous accusations posted to the FFL forum - and now the cover-up with the deletion of the offending message. While the informants get to continue posting their negative propaganda and gend//er bias. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as /anti-Semetic/, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. / Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure./ P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
On 10/4/2014 10:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea tea now and then. /It's not at all like in the movies.// // //In a good movie sound alarms go off, squads of doctors, nurses and military troops, all dressed in hazard suits come rushing in to cordon off and quarantine the neighborhood, village, town, city or state, with helicopters flying overhead day and night with searchlights pointing everywhere and where the President comes on TV right in the middle of a game with an address with a dire warning for the nation.// // //What we have in Dallas is a sick guy infected with Ebola vomiting on the sidewalk outside his apartment on his way to the hospital, so the apartment manager hoses off the sidewalk with a garden hose. Go figure./ On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:03 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: /...there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine, because of Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It’s just a matter of time before this disease is carried to every corner of the world./ CBS Philly: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/ /Addressing the important issues:// // //According to Tom Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we must be relentless in stopping the spread of ebola in West Africa. After all, after all is said and done here, that is the only way to truly and completely protect the health security of America -- and the world. By January there could be millions of people infected with the virus. // Asking the important questions: // //Who is going to spend the money to keep this epidemic contained so that it doesn't turn into a pandemic? How much would it cost to invent a vaccine? How will military units on the ground have the discipline, the will and the resources to mobilize tomorrow, build treatment centers really fast and deliver the care and medicine needed?// Taking action: // //The U.S. has boots are on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and now 3,600 troops are being sent into Liberia to help manage the crises. How many boots on the ground and how much money will it take to defeat ISIS and the Ebola?/ 'Pentagon Sending 600 More Military Personnel to Fight Ebola in Africa' http://tinyurl.com/ppx4xhj 'Ebola virus: Pandemic should be treated 'the same way' as threat posed by nuclear weapons, security officials say' The Independent: http://tinyurl.com/poc6r9j 'Five blunders US made in treating country's first Ebola patient' The Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/nhuek6c /For anyone paying attention, the long-brewing crisis hardly came out of nowhere./ 'We Screwed Up On Ebola, And Now The Crisis Is Getting Much Worse' https://finance.yahoo.com/news/screwed-ebola-response-result-cost-073019431.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea tea now and then. On 10/4/2014 10:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. I'm bleeding out of every orifice in my body and dying of a raging fever while a virus attacks my major organs and the lining of my veins and arteries but I think I'll go and have a spot of echinacea tea, maybe it will make me feel better. If only it were that simple. Or maybe you were saying echinacea tea will prevent Ebola. Either way, you still gave me a good giggle. /According to Barry, as long as you keep your hands away from their shit you'll be alright./
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
what kinder proof you wantin' Lawson - signed affidavits? The person who complained complained loudly enough that she got them sent home. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco That's radically different than the QT descriptions I have read about. Do you have proof of this besides what you heard someone say someone complained about? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : your assertions on this point are all incorrect - there were TM teachers at at least one school everyday. The pujas were done on site and that was one of the problems. When the TM'ers moved in, they had their own mail slot in the office of the school, and they requested new couches in their room, a room mind you that they completely papered over, all doors and windows covered with opaque paper so no one could see in. They got the couches and when after a few months this lady and her supporters got their asses kicked out, the day after they left, school personnel went into the room to unpaper it - correct they didn't even bother to take it down - and lo and behold the new couches were gone. Now in the interest of fairness, maybe the school principle had gifted the couches to the TM'ers and maybe the TM'ers having had their brains all turned to mush from too many years of doing TMSP just THOUGHT the couches belonged to them and it was an honest mistake. I don't know but the couches were gone. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco How would the DLF QUiet Time program steal furniture? A regular school teacher already employed by the school learns to ring a bell at the start and end of the Quiet TIme period. TM teachers don't teach at Quiet Time schools, but at the local TM center or at someone's home. Checking is also done at someone's home or at the local TM center. QT is just that 15 minutes at the start and end of the school day where students are told to sit quietly and not talk to each other. What opportunity would anyone from teh DLF or the local group that manages the quiet time program have to walk off with furniture? Why would they do so in the first place? [visions of aTM teacher ending his or her non-existent presnce for 15 minutes by grabbing a desk that a student is sitting in and running with it to the parking lot] Someone is having fun with you, I suspect. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : they did get kicked out of two schools in the same district - when I get time I'll tell you which ones if you like - they stole some furniture according to someone I know at one school too - yeah let 'em sue me for slander and libel over that! From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Have you not dealt with the Movement long enough to know they VERY often say one thing in their PR, and do and say very different things in action and behind closed doors. Just another reason to know TM is superior to all other forms of anything in the Universe. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco That's radically different than the QT descriptions I have read about. Do you have proof of this besides what you heard someone say someone complained about? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : your assertions on this point are all incorrect - there were TM teachers at at least one school everyday. The pujas were done on site and that was one of the problems. When the TM'ers moved in, they had their own mail slot in the office of the school, and they requested new couches in their room, a room mind you that they completely papered over, all doors and windows covered with opaque paper so no one could see in. They got the couches and when after a few months this lady and her supporters got their asses kicked out, the day after they left, school personnel went into the room to unpaper it - correct they didn't even bother to take it down - and lo and behold the new couches were gone. Now in the interest of fairness, maybe the school principle had gifted the couches to the TM'ers and maybe the TM'ers having had their brains all turned to mush from too many years of doing TMSP just THOUGHT the couches belonged to them and it was an honest mistake. I don't know but the couches were gone. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco How would the DLF QUiet Time program steal furniture? A regular school teacher already employed by the school learns to ring a bell at the start and end of the Quiet TIme period. TM teachers don't teach at Quiet Time schools, but at the local TM center or at someone's home. Checking is also done at someone's home or at the local TM center. QT is just that 15 minutes at the start and end of the school day where students are told to sit quietly and not talk to each other. What opportunity would anyone from teh DLF or the local group that manages the quiet time program have to walk off with furniture? Why would they do so in the first place? [visions of aTM teacher ending his or her non-existent presnce for 15 minutes by grabbing a desk that a student is sitting in and running with it to the parking lot] Someone is having fun with you, I suspect. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : they did get kicked out of two schools in the same district - when I get time I'll tell you which ones if you like - they stole some furniture according to someone I know at one school too - yeah let 'em sue me for slander and libel over that! From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco TM was booted? Or do you mean that teh program never actually started? The DLF has limited funds and will quite cheerfully go to the next school on the list (Rio de Janeiro put all 1000 of its schools on the list a few years ago) rather than fight. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I didn't say it was banned from Visticon Valley - there were at least 2 schools where TM was booted this year, after January. You are obsessed with and inordinately charmed by any research coming from the Movement. I am not, especially since most of it upon anything more than a cursory examination proves to be either bogus or deeply flawed. If TM is so good, why are so many TM'ers lives so screwed up? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The oped and research are from January of this year. Are you saying that TM was banned from Visitacion Valley Middle School AFTER it was found to be the happiest school in San Francisco? BTW, if TM is just so plain awful, what is your explanation for the survey results? Ongoing indoctrination via the 15 minutes morning and evening Quiet Time periods? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
On 10/4/2014 11:07 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ann, as often happens, you misunderstand what I've written and omit other stuff. Of course I'm recommending to take colloidal silver as a preventative measure! As for enchinecea tea, it's recognized by many as an immune system booster. Now that I think of it, giggling probably is too (-: /By all means reinforce your immune system. Also it might be a good idea to live as far away from a hospital as you possibly can. The last place you probably want to be is close to a large Ebola clinic./ On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I recommend everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little enchinecea tea now and then. I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. I'm bleeding out of every orifice in my body and dying of a raging fever while a virus attacks my major organs and the lining of my veins and arteries but I think I'll go and have a spot of echinacea tea, maybe it will make me feel better. If only it were that simple. Or maybe you were saying echinacea tea will prevent Ebola. Either way, you still gave me a good giggle.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
And yet Ann busted you when she said that in fact Dan had not been courteous to me at all. You back peddled and said Oh uh, maybe courteous wasn't the right choice of words But you just can't let go of the idea of me being a low person no matter what Danny Boy said or did, eh? Is it part of your TM induced glow in your brain that leads you to believe that attacking a TM basher is actually a courteous thing and that's why you are doing it now? Ahh, TMSP leads to such WONDERFUL behavior. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule Michael, imo Dan was often kind and or courteous to you and also imo your remark to Rick was low given that he was; also low in that Dan was no longer here to defend himself. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:56 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: since he never was courteous to me, as you claimed, and your assertion that I was behaving in a low manner based on his (nonexistent) courtesy to me, then my behavior was not low in any respect, so you did not address the scurrilous nature of your false allegation towards me, but its not unusual for a TM junkie to behave in such a fashion - I mean after all Marshy taught everyone to ignore the truth, say whatever you like and then tell everyone to pay no attention to what you said before. So I won't hold it against you - its just the upbringing you had in the Movement From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule So Michael, does this not count?! Share to Ann at 7:11 am: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly exposed. But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is just really alright. Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference is that there is no TMO ADL! On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as anti-Semetic, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure. P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
On 10/4/2014 11:53 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: two birds, one stone. /That's one solution - stone the victim complaining; remove the offending message; and then ban the informant so he can't post a rebuttal.//Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as /anti-Semetic/, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. / Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure./ P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coup d'Etat in North Korea?
He had his uncle who was military executed and that might have just been a bit too much. North Koreans aren't stupid. They have some bright professors and stuff and the military leaders may be thinking enough already. Let's join the human race. The idiot leaders have built western style cities that no one can afford to live in so they are vacant and used for parties of the NK elite. Next thing you know we will be buying smart phones and TVs from them and our government will try to hush up that their workers get 6 weeks paid vacation annually. On 10/04/2014 11:57 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He was probably enjoying life and cheese too much, and forgot that there are many other people within his circle of generals who are hungrier to usurp the power away from him. Let's find out where he ends up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : I also read that he has a major cheese addiction. Must have been born in the year of the rat. On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:27 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It appears that the young dictator is in a power struggle with his older generals. Can he win? http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
The semitic race includes Arabs, so if we blast Saudi Arabia are we being anti-semitics? And someone said to bash Zionism is being anti-Jewish. That's like saying all Christians are Republicans. Zionists are a right wing political faction. As far as Dan goes I had him in my Dangeon anyway for being an abusive poster and only replied to comments he started indirectly about TV or movies. On 10/04/2014 12:07 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Let's face it, Rick is being practical. The Jews are very aggressive about any antisemitism and could get someone at Yahoo freaked enough to close FFL down. It may not be right to surrender, but it does avoid the danger not yet come. If Yahoo closed FFL, the lost would be significant, but if Rick bans antisemitism, the lost to the world's ability to have free speech would be hardly noticed. An easy call for Rick, methinks. Now if the various communities around the world got as aggressively defensive, hoo boy, who could then say anything about anything? Think of all the downtrodden folks who could equally claim the world has smacked them as badly as were the Jews. I've never confronted my Jewish friends about this.might have to do so, cuz this shit's gotta stop. And, hey, for what Israel is doing to Palestine while Jews around the world remain mostly silent, I say they've lost their right to bitch about Hitler. They should go back to dissing the Pharaoh.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Michael, anyone who takes such obvious pleasure in, as you did when Steve and Dan were arguing, such a person imo, has no credibility when it comes to saying what is or isn't WONDERFUL behavior. Also the fact that though you've been shown, even by an objective lurker, how wrong you were about TMO and suicide, you have not recanted your original statement that the TMO ignores it. Plus the fact that you continue to make such negative allegations about people and an organization with whom you've had no contact in decades. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:23 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And yet Ann busted you when she said that in fact Dan had not been courteous to me at all. You back peddled and said Oh uh, maybe courteous wasn't the right choice of words But you just can't let go of the idea of me being a low person no matter what Danny Boy said or did, eh? Is it part of your TM induced glow in your brain that leads you to believe that attacking a TM basher is actually a courteous thing and that's why you are doing it now? Ahh, TMSP leads to such WONDERFUL behavior. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule Michael, imo Dan was often kind and or courteous to you and also imo your remark to Rick was low given that he was; also low in that Dan was no longer here to defend himself. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:56 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: since he never was courteous to me, as you claimed, and your assertion that I was behaving in a low manner based on his (nonexistent) courtesy to me, then my behavior was not low in any respect, so you did not address the scurrilous nature of your false allegation towards me, but its not unusual for a TM junkie to behave in such a fashion - I mean after all Marshy taught everyone to ignore the truth, say whatever you like and then tell everyone to pay no attention to what you said before. So I won't hold it against you - its just the upbringing you had in the Movement From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule So Michael, does this not count?! Share to Ann at 7:11 am: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly exposed. But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is just really alright. Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference is that there is no TMO ADL! On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H,Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty ofanti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. Ifsomeone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill yougive equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock'smessage as anti-Semetic, when in fact
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
Richard, what do you think of this article:Governments seize colloidal silver
being used to treat Ebola patients, says advocate
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On Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:14 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/4/2014 10:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Richard, they already failed to deal with Patient Zero adequately. I
recommend everyone start taking colloidal silver every day, and maybe a little
enchinecea tea now and then.
It's not at all like in the movies.
In a good movie sound alarms go off, squads of doctors, nurses and military
troops, all dressed in hazard suits come rushing in to cordon off and
quarantine the neighborhood, village, town, city or state, with helicopters
flying overhead day and night with searchlights pointing everywhere and where
the President comes on TV right in the middle of a game with an address with a
dire warning for the nation.
What we have in Dallas is a sick guy infected with Ebola vomiting on the
sidewalk outside his apartment on his way to the hospital, so the apartment
manager hoses off the sidewalk with a garden hose. Go figure.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:03 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
...there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine, because
of Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It’s
just a matter of time before this disease is carried to every corner of the
world.
CBS Philly:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/
Addressing the important issues:
According to Tom Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, we must be relentless in stopping the spread of ebola in West
Africa. After all, after all is said and done here, that is the only way to
truly and completely protect the health security of America -- and the world.
By January there could be millions of people infected with the virus.
Asking the important questions:
Who is going to spend the money to keep this epidemic contained so that it
doesn't turn into a pandemic? How much would it cost to invent a vaccine? How
will military units on the ground have the discipline, the will and the
resources to mobilize tomorrow, build treatment centers really fast and deliver
the care and medicine needed?
Taking action:
The U.S. has boots are on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and now 3,600
troops are being sent into Liberia to help manage the crises. How many boots on
the ground and how much money will it take to defeat ISIS and the Ebola?
'Pentagon Sending 600 More Military Personnel to Fight Ebola in Africa'
http://tinyurl.com/ppx4xhj
'Ebola virus: Pandemic should be treated 'the same way' as threat posed by
nuclear weapons, security officials say'
The Independent:
http://tinyurl.com/poc6r9j
'Five blunders US made in treating country's first Ebola patient'
The Telegraph:
http://tinyurl.com/nhuek6c
For anyone paying attention, the long-brewing crisis hardly came out of
nowhere.
'We Screwed Up On Ebola, And Now The Crisis Is Getting Much Worse'
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/screwed-ebola-response-result-cost-073019431.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/4/2014 12:02 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: victim?? There was no victim. /According to Rick, Dan was the victim of anti-Semitism posted by the jedi_spock; and that's why Rick warned the jedi_spock to watch his mouth or he would be banned./ Dan clearly escalated things with that bizarre letter to the JDL, and getting all bent out of shape. /So, why would that be cause to ban the jedi_spock? Rick already posted a warning to the jedi_spock. It looks like the jedi_spock was punished twice. Go figure./ Holding no cows sacred is the vibe on here, and I am sorry if he felt that anyone was going after him, personally. /It looks like Rick went after Dan personally because Dan threatened to report Rick to the ADL./ /Banning Dan makes it looks like retaliation by Rick./ Dan was also very up front, even aggressive in his attitudes, and his opinions. I would never think of him as a victim, and I doubt he thinks of himself in that way. /By banning Dan and jedi_spock without giving them the chance of a rebuttal was wrong; to not allow discussion by their peers before the sentencing was wrong;. Rick failed as a fair and balanced moderator. And since Rick deleted the offending file it now looks like a coverup./ /It's like a secret trial and execution without a trial by a dictator who got everything wrong from the beginning - there's no rule here preventing a discussion of the Torah by an asshole. / Simply because you liked his presence, doesn't mean that he wasn't kicked off for good reason. I liked some of what he posted, also. /The reason Dan was kicked off, according to Rick is because Dan threatened to report him to the ADL - that's not a very good reason to ban someone from the group./ /Yahoo itself has guidelines that are supposed to prevent such summary judgements. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, you're welcome. And thank you too for posting that bit from yahoo guidelines. And for making the point about blaming the victim. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:02 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/4/2014 7:11 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ann, maybe courteous wasn't the best word. I think Dan brought a lot of fun and intelligence and sometimes gentleness to FFL. And actually I thoroughly enjoyed some of jedi's posts too. IMO, it's a loss that they're gone. /Thanks for defending Dan and his right to object to anti-Semitic remarks. It looks like if you make a threat to report the FFL moderator for incompetence, he might retaliate and ban you from the group. ///Now that's a real thought-stopper! /Where I come from silence usually indicates agreement./ On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:55 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. Actually, Dan has not been courteous to MJ but it doesn't matter one way or another. Dan is pro TM and MJ is con. End of story. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. *From:* 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
On 10/4/2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ohhh, Share thinks I am a mean old man - yet I have not seen you show any willingness to take back the false statement you made about me, claiming I made a low comment since Danny Boy was so courteous to me - a lie which Ann kindly exposed. /Non sequitur.//The term Low comment has not been defined.//It has already been established that you are mean to Share, but your age or gender, in the context of //Danny Boy, has not been established./ But I guess since you have the TM glow around you, your unpleasant behavior is just really alright. /Non sequitur. Apparently you don't even understand Rick's rule:/ /1) Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. / Any action done by a TM'er cannot by definition be a wrong or objectionable action in and of itself since it was performed by a TM'er. - Share's mind set. /Non sequitur.//There are no TMers - that's just a derogatory and prejudiced term you made up./ *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule feste, thank you for saying this about MJ. I agree. I guess the difference is that there is no TMO ADL! On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:08 AM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Everyone makes mistakes. It looks like Rick considered Spock's message as /anti-Semetic/, when in fact it was just Spock's opinion about the Jewish religion. It looks like Rick panicked and got really scared when Dan threatened to file a report to the ADL, so Rick deleted Spock's message and put a ban on him posting. / Now we don't even know what jedi_spock posted because it's been deleted. This should be notice to you: you could be banned from FFL for expressing your opinion and all you messages deleted forever. Go figure./ P.S. When you change the subject title, Edg, you make it difficult to follow the conversation, and when you fail to click on Show message history, other informants don't even know what Rick's rule is about posting messages.
