Re: [FairfieldLife] A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Not interested. When it comes to "Mommy porn," I couldn't even make it through 
the "Twilight" movies. I just thought it was cute that The Onion took it on...  
:-)
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 8:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A movie review for those who think mine are too 
low-vibe
   
 Have you downloaded the movie yet?   :-D 
 
 On 02/13/2015 10:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  


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Re: [FairfieldLife] A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 8:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A movie review for those who think mine are too 
low-vibe
   
 Have you downloaded the movie yet?   :-D 
 
 On 02/13/2015 10:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "Hint, Seraphita...you're angry at and fighting against some image of me 
that you've projected onto me.":
 

 Gee. I suggest that we (the rest of us poor mortals), the wide world out 
there, indeed the whole shebang exist because God wanted Barry to have a 
tender, sublime experience and this is the thanks I get! :~)
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 See, this is why I tend to avoid interactions with theists. Suggest that God 
doesn't exist (or in this case that no God is necessary for reincarnation to 
work) and they go all crazy and non-sequitur on your ass.   :-)
 

 Hint, Seraphita...you're angry at and fighting against some image of me that 
you've projected onto me. For example, you keep calling me a "materialist," as 
if I had called myself one. I haven't. Ever. You're arguing with made-up ideas 
about made-up atheists inside your head, not with me. 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   Re your previous comment: "Buddhists believe in "rebirth", not of a soul, 
but a reborn heap of proclivities or tendencies due to karma.": 

 Correct again. What I would claim is that if anyone thinks "tendencies" - 
desires, fears, grasping, valuing, . . . - can be reborn then they *must* 
believe that our conscious experiences are at least as real as the material 
phenomena examined by science. If mental phenomena are real then the "Ground of 
Being" supporting our lives must be Mental or Spirit. But that implies that the 
materialistic/naturalistic take on life which assumes we are just ape-family 
members with overactive brains whose explanation can be reduced to atoms in 
complex arrangements is pitifully inadequate as a complete account of reality.
 

 On another thread Barry opines sneeringly: "You'd kinda *have* to believe in 
the idea that there is an invisible being looking out for you (because you're 
so important and all)":
 

 Maybe Barry is being too modest for once. Perhaps "God" when reviewing all 
possible worlds and their evolution over time caught a glimpse of a world in 
which Barry exchanged a tender, heart-breaking, soul-piercing glance with a 
pretty girl and God thought: "Wow! Now that I do like! I'll go ahead and 
actualize that world".
 

 Other possible worlds in which pain predominates over happiness are not 
actualized. Why? Because "God" only brings into existence worlds which reveal 
the highest values and in which the good outweighs the bad. Unfortunately to 
bring that transcendent, tear-inducing Barry/girl moment into existence also 
involves God creating a world in which other people die horribly of Ebola (for 
inscrutable reasons, but for a helpful suggestion refer to Barry's/the Buddhist 
"concept of Interdependent Origination"). That Barry/girl experience (and 
others like it), thinks God, creates values that otherwise wouldn't exist.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 This is a strange thread - you would think that these guys wold love Robert 
Anton Wilson. Something tells me they have never read any of his books. They 
are just posting blah blah and trying out some button-pushing. It's almost 
depressing watching these guys in action. What a waste of good band-space. Go 
figure.

Robert Anton Wilson
Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson
 
 Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson Robert Anton Wilson (born 
Robert Edward Wilson, January 18, 1932 – January 11, 2007) was an American 
author, novelist, psychologist, essayist, editor, playwrigh...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Looking forward to what comes next does not require that a next to exist 
for looking forward to work. ": 

 WTF?! Is English not your first language? 
 

 Barry presumably believes that his good self will carry on existing in some 
future state. If that strikes one as unlikely then looking back on one's past 
and only life seems a reasonable way to spend one's last moments no?
 

 Barry is also caricaturing Robert Anton Wilson's sense. RAW clearly wasn't 
thinking of people he may have wound up on a Yahoo groups site (few of those 
will be shedding tears tonight) but of former friends he'd perhaps let down or 
loved ones he'd fallen out with. He wanted to get reconciled with those he'd 
personally and intimately interacted with and so felt were a significant part 
of his identity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 You have not defined what looking forward to work means. Looking forward to 
what comes next does not require that a next to exist for looking forward to 
work. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would 
find themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, 
duller mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate":
 

 And the Jews? Did the genocide by the Germans reflect a duller mind state of 
the Krauts or of the Hebrews? Or is what happens in history irrelevant and it's 
the attitude of quiet acceptance or fierce resistance with which you face 
events that matters?
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

 

 That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

 

 That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

 

 Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails? 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in 
past lives?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 








 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: "Two Faces of January"

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes - I loved this film. 

 The scene where the three escapees spend the night at the harbour in Crete 
particularly amused me as I once arrived in Crete with a group of friends on 
holiday and having had our flight delayed we ended up having to sit by the 
harbour in Heraklion all night waiting for the bus service to start in the 
morning.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: "Two Faces of January"

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes - I loved this film. 

 The scene where the three escapees spend the night at the harbour in Crete 
particularly amused me as I once arrived in Crete with a group of friends and 
having had our flight delayed we ended up having to sit by the harbour all 
night waiting for the bus service to start in the morning.
 

 I like 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay Richard, thanks.  That helps. 

 I'd say still, it's something I need to understand better.
 

 Definitely a new concept for me.
 

 Thanks again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 According to what I've read, in Buddhism, particularly in Mahayana, rebirth 
has to do with consciousness which evolves from a stream of consciousness, thus 
avoiding the pitfall of dualism. At death there is a dissolution of the 
aggregates (skandhas). 

The new person is not a soul-monad arising from the previous individual, but 
the new person's consciousness is simply a causal continuum from the universal 
stream. It's all about an evolving consciousness conditioned by the actions in 
a previous life (karma). 

The whole point of attaining enlightenment in Buddhism is the elimination of 
rebirth which for all humans involves repeated birth, suffering and death.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I, like most people who think about spiritual stuff, now and again, think 
often about death. 

 And I think, like many, I have the attitude that a new chapter is about to 
begin.
 

 But, just the fact that you use the phrase, "look forward to what will 
happen", (or something to that effect), would to me indicate, that there is an 
expectation, that something is going to happen, and that it is not "lights out".
 

 And then, of course, if something happens, anything at all, other than "lights 
out", well, you've got a problem, if you are on the "no higher power" bus.  
 

 On the other hand, I don't understand Buddhism, well enough to know how you 
can believe in rebirth, and not buy into an individual soul, if this is what 
some are saying here.
 

 Maybe someone, can help me understand this better.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I have no memories of past lives that I would consider valid, death does 
seem like it would be an interesting experience to face, experiencing what 
comes up as it approaches, if it does not come unexpectedly, in which case 
anticipation or curiosity would be rendered moot. I am finding as time goes on, 
I do not look back much any more, and also I do not look forward much any more 
either, the sense of anticipation is extremely low at this point. I do have to 
make make financial decisions, which requires I do think about such things, but 
I do not get excited about new stuff any more except rarely. If a new movie 
comes out, I don't care any more, and if I die before it comes out on DVD or 
Blu-ray, it is not going to be a loss. There are more things to see than I 
would every be able to see. So except for logistical planning, life more and 
more centres on the current moment. And if the current moment involves death, 
well, no one really has much to say about that at that moment, do they?

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   
 I feel the way I do about the notion of reincarnation because of personal 
experience 'remembering' previous lives and even 'remembering' the transit 
through the Bardo between death and rebirth. 

 

 At the same time, I know that these 'memories' may be false, so I don't know 
fersure what will happen at the moment of death. I've said this many times -- 
if it turns out that death is like the switching off of a light switch and 
there is only blackness, then there will be no "me" to be disappointed, or to 
even register the disappointment. 

 

 So for now I'm going to go with "looking forward" to what comes next, because 
that strikes me as the best way to live one's life at ANY moment, not just 
one's last. 

 

 But as for trying to link the notion of God to reincarnation, that's your 
hangup, not mine. Millions of Buddhists believe in reincarnation without having 
to believe that there is a God. The two concepts are not related in any way. 


 


 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   Re "it's the end of the day here in sunny CA":

 

 Ah! The sun! It's been a while since I saw that here in London.
 

 I'm not irritated, never mind over-irritated. I do find it odd though that 
Barry believes he's got an immortal soul and yet scoffs at the idea of "God". 
How anyone could suppose that a materialist-naturalistic account of life could 
justify belief in a post-death existence is beyond me.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Goodness, don't you think you're getting a tad over-irritated? I know my 
response is the trigger, not the cause of your over-the-top reaction, but 
still...relax. 

Yep, I could have been clearer. So, here's my corrected response to anartaxius' 
comment:

You have not defined what it means for 'looking forward' to work. Looking 
forward to what comes next does not require that there is a 'ne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 According to what I've read, in Buddhism, particularly in Mahayana, rebirth 
has to do with consciousness which evolves from a stream of consciousness, thus 
avoiding the pitfall of dualism. At death there is a dissolution of the 
aggregates (skandhas). 

The new person is not a soul-monad arising from the previous individual, but 
the new person's consciousness is simply a causal continuum from the universal 
stream. It's all about an evolving consciousness conditioned by the actions in 
a previous life (karma). 

The whole point of attaining enlightenment in Buddhism is the elimination of 
rebirth which for all humans involves repeated birth, suffering and death.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I, like most people who think about spiritual stuff, now and again, think 
often about death. 

 And I think, like many, I have the attitude that a new chapter is about to 
begin.
 

 But, just the fact that you use the phrase, "look forward to what will 
happen", (or something to that effect), would to me indicate, that there is an 
expectation, that something is going to happen, and that it is not "lights out".
 

 And then, of course, if something happens, anything at all, other than "lights 
out", well, you've got a problem, if you are on the "no higher power" bus.  
 

 On the other hand, I don't understand Buddhism, well enough to know how you 
can believe in rebirth, and not buy into an individual soul, if this is what 
some are saying here.
 

 Maybe someone, can help me understand this better.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I have no memories of past lives that I would consider valid, death does 
seem like it would be an interesting experience to face, experiencing what 
comes up as it approaches, if it does not come unexpectedly, in which case 
anticipation or curiosity would be rendered moot. I am finding as time goes on, 
I do not look back much any more, and also I do not look forward much any more 
either, the sense of anticipation is extremely low at this point. I do have to 
make make financial decisions, which requires I do think about such things, but 
I do not get excited about new stuff any more except rarely. If a new movie 
comes out, I don't care any more, and if I die before it comes out on DVD or 
Blu-ray, it is not going to be a loss. There are more things to see than I 
would every be able to see. So except for logistical planning, life more and 
more centres on the current moment. And if the current moment involves death, 
well, no one really has much to say about that at that moment, do they?

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   
 I feel the way I do about the notion of reincarnation because of personal 
experience 'remembering' previous lives and even 'remembering' the transit 
through the Bardo between death and rebirth. 

 

 At the same time, I know that these 'memories' may be false, so I don't know 
fersure what will happen at the moment of death. I've said this many times -- 
if it turns out that death is like the switching off of a light switch and 
there is only blackness, then there will be no "me" to be disappointed, or to 
even register the disappointment. 

 

 So for now I'm going to go with "looking forward" to what comes next, because 
that strikes me as the best way to live one's life at ANY moment, not just 
one's last. 

 

 But as for trying to link the notion of God to reincarnation, that's your 
hangup, not mine. Millions of Buddhists believe in reincarnation without having 
to believe that there is a God. The two concepts are not related in any way. 


 


 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   Re "it's the end of the day here in sunny CA":

 

 Ah! The sun! It's been a while since I saw that here in London.
 

 I'm not irritated, never mind over-irritated. I do find it odd though that 
Barry believes he's got an immortal soul and yet scoffs at the idea of "God". 
How anyone could suppose that a materialist-naturalistic account of life could 
justify belief in a post-death existence is beyond me.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Goodness, don't you think you're getting a tad over-irritated? I know my 
response is the trigger, not the cause of your over-the-top reaction, but 
still...relax. 

Yep, I could have been clearer. So, here's my corrected response to anartaxius' 
comment:

You have not defined what it means for 'looking forward' to work. Looking 
forward to what comes next does not require that there is a 'next' for looking 
forward to work. 

I'm not sure why I'm going to this trouble because I don't think you will be 
able to understand the logic and/or the underlying assumptions in my response. 
But, heh,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I, like most people who think about spiritual stuff, now and again, think often 
about death. 

 And I think, like many, I have the attitude that a new chapter is about to 
begin.
 

 But, just the fact that you use the phrase, "look forward to what will 
happen", (or something to that effect), would to me indicate, that there is an 
expectation, that something is going to happen, and that it is not "lights out".
 

 And then, of course, if something happens, anything at all, other than "lights 
out", well, you've got a problem, if you are on the "no higher power" bus.  
 

 On the other hand, I don't understand Buddhism, well enough to know how you 
can believe in rebirth, and not buy into an individual soul, if this is what 
some are saying here.
 

 Maybe someone, can help me understand this better.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I have no memories of past lives that I would consider valid, death does 
seem like it would be an interesting experience to face, experiencing what 
comes up as it approaches, if it does not come unexpectedly, in which case 
anticipation or curiosity would be rendered moot. I am finding as time goes on, 
I do not look back much any more, and also I do not look forward much any more 
either, the sense of anticipation is extremely low at this point. I do have to 
make make financial decisions, which requires I do think about such things, but 
I do not get excited about new stuff any more except rarely. If a new movie 
comes out, I don't care any more, and if I die before it comes out on DVD or 
Blu-ray, it is not going to be a loss. There are more things to see than I 
would every be able to see. So except for logistical planning, life more and 
more centres on the current moment. And if the current moment involves death, 
well, no one really has much to say about that at that moment, do they?

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   
 I feel the way I do about the notion of reincarnation because of personal 
experience 'remembering' previous lives and even 'remembering' the transit 
through the Bardo between death and rebirth. 

 

 At the same time, I know that these 'memories' may be false, so I don't know 
fersure what will happen at the moment of death. I've said this many times -- 
if it turns out that death is like the switching off of a light switch and 
there is only blackness, then there will be no "me" to be disappointed, or to 
even register the disappointment. 

 

 So for now I'm going to go with "looking forward" to what comes next, because 
that strikes me as the best way to live one's life at ANY moment, not just 
one's last. 

 

 But as for trying to link the notion of God to reincarnation, that's your 
hangup, not mine. Millions of Buddhists believe in reincarnation without having 
to believe that there is a God. The two concepts are not related in any way. 


 


 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   Re "it's the end of the day here in sunny CA":

 

 Ah! The sun! It's been a while since I saw that here in London.
 

 I'm not irritated, never mind over-irritated. I do find it odd though that 
Barry believes he's got an immortal soul and yet scoffs at the idea of "God". 
How anyone could suppose that a materialist-naturalistic account of life could 
justify belief in a post-death existence is beyond me.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Goodness, don't you think you're getting a tad over-irritated? I know my 
response is the trigger, not the cause of your over-the-top reaction, but 
still...relax. 

Yep, I could have been clearer. So, here's my corrected response to anartaxius' 
comment:

You have not defined what it means for 'looking forward' to work. Looking 
forward to what comes next does not require that there is a 'next' for looking 
forward to work. 

I'm not sure why I'm going to this trouble because I don't think you will be 
able to understand the logic and/or the underlying assumptions in my response. 
But, heh, it's the end of the day here in sunny CA...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Re "Looking forward to what comes next does not require that a next to exist 
for looking forward to work. ": 

 WTF?! Is English not your first language? 
 

 Barry presumably believes that his good self will carry on existing in some 
future state. If that strikes one as unlikely then looking back on one's past 
and only life seems a reasonable way to spend one's last moments no?


 

 Barry is also caricaturing Robert Anton Wilson's sense. RAW clearly wasn't 
thinking of people he may have wound up on a Yahoo groups site (few of those 
will be shedding tears tonight) but of former friends he'd perhaps let down or 
love

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

You need to face reality - you are the TB that got "shunted" - the guy that 
lived in a TM Center for years. You got shunted out, as in kicked out - because 
you sucked as a TM teacher. 

We should be pissed off as hell at MMY for letting you sponge off the TMO for 
almost three decades without paying any rent. Now who is the stupid? Apparently 
it took you 29 years to figure out one, but can you count to three? 

There's just no way that MMY could compare to all your trike achievements. LoL!

Let's face it - now you're totally flipped out. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh -- let's face it -- Maharishi shunted a million people into TM -- thus 
keeping them from finding true gurus elsewhere, and, and they, getting 
disgusted with TM's lack of results,  then give up on all spiritual techniques.

All the other gurus should be thanking Maharishi for getting the stupids out of 
their hair. 

 How's that for making lemonade out of Maharishi's achievements?  

I love to flip things.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Get a grip! According to my sources, nobody in the TMO ever heard of a black 
guy named "Michael Jackson" washing dishes in the MUM kitchen. LoL!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I doubt I could sneak in anywhere here in the US. In addition to the TM 
lurkers that Doug always said were hereabouts on FFL reading my shots at Marshy 
and Company, I have crossed swords on public forums with the likes of Tom Ball 
and that damned Ken Chawkin, not to mention grinning Bob Schneider, the heart 
doc who fancies himself an expert on Vedic psychology. No, they know me here in 
the US. Maybe I can sneak into the group over in Rendlesham or some such one 
day if ever I get over to Scorpion land. 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 They would jump at the chance to re-indoctrinate you.
 

 Ha! I'd like to see them try.  It's really weird going back into a TM 
environment if you've moved on. When you get used to how people in touch with 
the normal work-a-day world actually speak the Marshy-isms just fade in your 
mind, but suddenly sitting round a table with loads of TB's is really weird as 
they all still talk in that odd way about odd things that bear no relation to 
your life. It makes your skin crawl at first but as you get used to it you'll 
just find it amazing that people still really believe it. And even more amazing 
that you once fitted right in!
 
 
You should try it, I'm sure they'd be pleased to see you.
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?
 

 It's a good question. I'd like to find out but that would involve going on a 
course which I am most unlikely to do these days. If my enthusiasm ever gets 
rekindled I'll let you know.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   
 

The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks.  

 The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's 
four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
 

 Flipagram - Move with ELI and be HAPPY 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4
 
 Flipagram - Move with ELI and be HAPPY 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Move with ELI and be HAPPY! Made 
using Flipagram Download for Free! http://flipagram.com/get


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4
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 TOTALLY the BEST days of our lives! #ELI... - Enlightened Leadership Program | 
Facebook 
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These are the BEST days of our lives. Come make some more in Vlodrop this 
summer! #ELISummit #EnlightenedLeadershipProgram


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Montana Legislator Tries to Ban Yoga Pants

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Oh my Gawd - you guys are cracking me up!

"In the UK the word "pants" generally means underwear..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If ISIS ever tried any shit in the US it would be open hunting season on them. 
 As it is, looks like I was right about them picking a fight with the wrong 
country: Iran.  They are out to crush ISIS.
 
 On 02/13/2015 11:33 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   That goes to show that Montana is no longer cowboy country.  It has become 
cosmopolitan like Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.  Or that yoga has 
become Americana.
 

 As such, I don't believe Americans would like to be under shariah law.  So, 
IS, al_Qaeda and the Taliban won't prosper here.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 ‘Yoga pants should be illegal in public’: Montana legislator fails to ban 
camel-toe-causing clothes
 
 http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/ 
http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Montana Legislator Tries to Ban Yoga Pants

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Maharishi Pants:
maharishi http://www.maharishistore.com/index.php 
 
 maharishi http://www.maharishistore.com/index.php Maharishi – Pacifist 
Military Design. Official online store Maharishi Clothing
 
 
 
 View on www.maharishistore.com http://www.maharishistore.com/index.php 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ‘Yoga pants should be illegal in public’: Montana legislator fails to ban 
camel-toe-causing clothes
 
 http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/ 
http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Now this is really funny - the science guys will be all over this. There is 
not one shred of scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism or any other 
mental illness in children. You just can't make this stuff up! 

Quack!

"Last year, Europe had 3,840 measles cases. Italy alone had 1,921 cases. And 
that's an improvement over 2013, when there were more than 10,000 cases across 
Europe. France has had more than 23,000 cases in the past five years."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/measles-outbreak/think-u-s-has-measles-problem-just-look-europe-n301726
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/measles-outbreak/think-u-s-has-measles-problem-just-look-europe-n301726
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The CDC has finally admitted that the vaccines can cause autism and have been 
hiding that fact for years.  it's all about the money.  Here's the link to the 
insert of the vaccine:
 
 http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf 
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf
 
 
 On 02/13/2015 04:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Someone should do a study correlating the number of drugs advertised on tv 
and the amount of time before the same drugs are also advertised by lawyers 
telling people how they can get money from the drug companies if they got 
screwed up by the very same drug.
 
 
 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing
 
 
   The topic has not popped up here yet and for those across the pond a 
 topic that has folks in the US wrapped around has been the measles 
 outbreak in California. We have the "health experts" and some "radio 
 talk show hosts" (aren't they the smarted people in the universe or at 
 least they think they are) confounded that some folks are avoiding 
 getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Some of the talk is 
 disturbing because some people talk like folks should be forced at the 
 point of a gun to vaccinate their kids.
 
 I think the problem here is a "failure to communicate". I seem to 
 recall having measles as a kid and don't ever recall any kid dying from 
 it. In the SF Bay Area our armchair radio experts are confounded that 
 1) Marin county leads in not having kids vaccinated followed by 2) 
 Silicon Valley parents. Guess they aren't as smart as the radio geniuses.
 
 Here's the thing. We have developed immense distrust for our medical 
 establishment and they've worked hard to earn that distrust. Let's not 
 forget over the last 40 years people have been more and more focused on 
 their personal health and thus concerned about what stuff that might be 
 in a shot they get. They are further concerned about what eggheads 
 reassuring them that "vaccines are safe." Fine let's see the insert.
 
 And let's not forget those TV commercials for prescription drugs you are 
 supposed to ask your doctor for where the first 15 seconds is selling 
 you on the drug and the remaining 45 all the contraindications.
 
 Aldous Huxley would be horrified.
 





 
 






 
 

  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The CDC has finally admitted that the vaccines can cause autism and have been 
hiding that fact for years.  it's all about the money.  Here's the link to the 
insert of the vaccine:
 
 http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf 
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf
 
 
 On 02/13/2015 04:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Someone should do a study correlating the number of drugs advertised on tv 
and the amount of time before the same drugs are also advertised by lawyers 
telling people how they can get money from the drug companies if they got 
screwed up by the very same drug.
 
 
 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing
 
 
   The topic has not popped up here yet and for those across the pond a 
 topic that has folks in the US wrapped around has been the measles 
 outbreak in California. We have the "health experts" and some "radio 
 talk show hosts" (aren't they the smarted people in the universe or at 
 least they think they are) confounded that some folks are avoiding 
 getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Some of the talk is 
 disturbing because some people talk like folks should be forced at the 
 point of a gun to vaccinate their kids.
 
 I think the problem here is a "failure to communicate". I seem to 
 recall having measles as a kid and don't ever recall any kid dying from 
 it. In 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Now this is funny - the three amigos, all single, once accused me of being a 
perv that is into S&M. Now we find out that the one old tantric guy read the 
book, the old pirate guy downloaded the movie and now we find out that the old 
rebel guy got divorced by his wife. It looks like of all the tres hombres, I'm 
the only vato that has a real live senorita. You can't make this stuff up. LoL!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 oh this review is ever so much better - take 2 minutes to watch it.
 

Lisa Wilkinson's Review Absolutely Destroys 50 Shades Of Grey 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMh-ou0TKXk  
  
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMh-ou0TKXk
  
  
  
  
  
 Lisa Wilkinson's Review Absolutely Destroys 50 Shades Of... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMh-ou0TKXk

 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMh-ou0TKXk
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too 
low-vibe
 
 
   

 Dear God that looks awful. I bet the author can't believe her luck, she 
self-published a piece of gormless trash that - apparently- became such a big 
hit because people could download it to their new Kindle without anyone knowing 
what they were reading on the train.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
 

  
  
 http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
  
  
  
  
  
 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey Who doesn't 
remember their first contract?


 
 View on digg.com http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 





 


 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I doubt I could sneak in anywhere here in the US. In addition to the TM lurkers 
that Doug always said were hereabouts on FFL reading my shots at Marshy and 
Company, I have crossed swords on public forums with the likes of Tom Ball and 
that damned Ken Chawkin, not to mention grinning Bob Schneider, the heart doc 
who fancies himself an expert on Vedic psychology. No, they know me here in the 
US. Maybe I can sneak into the group over in Rendlesham or some such one day if 
ever I get over to Scorpion land. 

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

They would jump at the chance to re-indoctrinate you.
Ha! I'd like to see them try.  It's really weird going back into a TM 
environment if you've moved on. When you get used to how people in touch with 
the normal work-a-day world actually speak the Marshy-isms just fade in your 
mind, but suddenly sitting round a table with loads of TB's is really weird as 
they all still talk in that odd way about odd things that bear no relation to 
your life. It makes your skin crawl at first but as you get used to it you'll 
just find it amazing that people still really believe it. And even more amazing 
that you once fitted right in!
You should try it, I'm sure they'd be pleased to see you.
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?
It's a good question. I'd like to find out but that would involve going on a 
course which I am most unlikely to do these days. If my enthusiasm ever gets 
rekindled I'll let you know.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks. 
The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's 
four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

oh this review is ever so much better - take 2 minutes to watch it.
Lisa Wilkinson's Review Absolutely Destroys 50 Shades Of Grey
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  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too 
low-vibe
   
    
Dear God that looks awful. I bet the author can't believe her luck, she 
self-published a piece of gormless trash that - apparently- became such a big 
hit because people could download it to their new Kindle without anyone knowing 
what they were reading on the train.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey'

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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

The CDC has finally admitted that the vaccines can cause autism and have 
been hiding that fact for years.  it's all about the money.  Here's the 
link to the insert of the vaccine:


http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf


On 02/13/2015 04:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Someone should do a study correlating the number of drugs advertised 
on tv and the amount of time before the same drugs are also advertised 
by lawyers telling people how they can get money from the drug 
companies if they got screwed up by the very same drug.



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing

The topic has not popped up here yet and for those across the pond a
topic that has folks in the US wrapped around has been the measles
outbreak in California. We have the "health experts" and some "radio
talk show hosts" (aren't they the smarted people in the universe or at
least they think they are) confounded that some folks are avoiding
getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Some of the talk is
disturbing because some people talk like folks should be forced at the
point of a gun to vaccinate their kids.

I think the problem here is a "failure to communicate". I seem to
recall having measles as a kid and don't ever recall any kid dying from
it. In the SF Bay Area our armchair radio experts are confounded that
1) Marin county leads in not having kids vaccinated followed by 2)
Silicon Valley parents. Guess they aren't as smart as the radio geniuses.

Here's the thing. We have developed immense distrust for our medical
establishment and they've worked hard to earn that distrust. Let's not
forget over the last 40 years people have been more and more focused on
their personal health and thus concerned about what stuff that might be
in a shot they get. They are further concerned about what eggheads
reassuring them that "vaccines are safe." Fine let's see the insert.

And let's not forget those TV commercials for prescription drugs you are
supposed to ask your doctor for where the first 15 seconds is selling
you on the drug and the remaining 45 all the contraindications.

Aldous Huxley would be horrified.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Montana Legislator Tries to Ban Yoga Pants

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

If ISIS ever tried any shit in the US it would be open hunting season on 
them.  As it is, looks like I was right about them picking a fight with 
the wrong country: Iran.  They are out to crush ISIS.


On 02/13/2015 11:33 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


That goes to show that Montana is no longer cowboy country.  It has 
become cosmopolitan like Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.  Or 
that yoga has become Americana.



As such, I don't believe Americans would like to be under shariah law. 
 So, IS, al_Qaeda and the Taliban won't prosper here.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*‘Yoga pants should be illegal in public’: Montana legislator fails to 
ban camel-toe-causing clothes**

*
http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Montana Legislator Tries to Ban Yoga Pants

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That goes to show that Montana is no longer cowboy country.  It has become 
cosmopolitan like Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.  Or that yoga has 
become Americana. 

 As such, I don't believe Americans would like to be under shariah law.  So, 
IS, al_Qaeda and the Taliban won't prosper here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ‘Yoga pants should be illegal in public’: Montana legislator fails to ban 
camel-toe-causing clothes
 
 http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/ 
http://rt.com/usa/231859-montana-bill-bans-yoga-pants/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you post your comments, Sally. LoL!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Dear God that looks awful. I bet the author can't believe her luck, she 
self-published a piece of gormless trash that - apparently- became such a big 
hit because people could download it to their new Kindle without anyone knowing 
what they were reading on the train.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
 

  
  
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 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

You are probably the first on FFL. LoL!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Have you downloaded the movie yet?  :-D 
 
 On 02/13/2015 10:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey'
 

  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 You are supposed to watch the movie BEFORE you post your comments, Barry. 
Where is Judy when we need her? LoL!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
 

  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 They would jump at the chance to re-indoctrinate you.
 

 Ha! I'd like to see them try.  

According to what you recently posted about your practice, you have not moved 
on. You wrote that you are still praying to the Hindu gods almost every day. 
So,it's really weird to see you post that you've moved on. 

Apparently you are still a TB and you talk in a odd way about meditation. 
Doesn't it just make your skin crawl when you realize that you believe mumbling 
non-sense gibberish syllables will get you enlightened in 5-7 years? You been 
practicing "TM" for what, 40 years?

Can you spell cognitive dissonance?

It's really weird going back into a TM environment if you've moved on. When you 
get used to how people in touch with the normal work-a-day world actually speak 
the Marshy-isms just fade in your mind, but suddenly sitting round a table with 
loads of TB's is really weird as they all still talk in that odd way about odd 
things that bear no relation to your life. It makes your skin crawl at first 
but as you get used to it you'll just find it amazing that people still really 
believe it. And even more amazing that you once fitted right in!
 
 
You should try it, I'm sure they'd be pleased to see you.
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?
 

 It's a good question. I'd like to find out but that would involve going on a 
course which I am most unlikely to do these days. If my enthusiasm ever gets 
rekindled I'll let you know.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   
 

The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks.  

 The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's 
four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[salyavin808]

 Dear God that looks awful. I bet the author can't believe her luck, she 
self-published a piece of gormless trash that - apparently- became such a big 
hit because people could download it to their new Kindle without anyone knowing 
what they were reading on the train.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
 

  
  
 http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey
  
  
  
  
  
 The Onion Reviews 'Fifty Shades Of Grey' 
http://digg.com/video/the-onion-reviews-fifty-shades-of-grey Who doesn't 
remember their first contract?


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measly Thing

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Every parent should be required by law to get their children vaccinated for 
measles. This should be a no-brainer, except for the hippies living out in 
California.

"By not vaccinating your child you are taking selfish advantage of thousands of 
others who do vaccinate their children, which decreases the likelihood that 
your child will contract one of these diseases. We feel such an attitude to be 
self-centered and unacceptable."

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/28978-suffer-the-children-the-vaccination-debate-gets-the-measles#
 
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/28978-suffer-the-children-the-vaccination-debate-gets-the-measles#

"Also called rubeola, measles can be serious and even fatal for small children. 
While death rates have been falling worldwide as more children receive the 
measles vaccine, the disease still kills more than 100,000 people a year, most 
under the age of 5."

Mayo Clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/basics/definition/con-20019675
 
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/basics/definition/con-20019675
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The topic has not popped up here yet and for those across the pond a 
 topic that has folks in the US wrapped around has been the measles 
 outbreak in California. We have the "health experts" and some "radio 
 talk show hosts" (aren't they the smarted people in the universe or at 
 least they think they are) confounded that some folks are avoiding 
 getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Some of the talk is 
 disturbing because some people talk like folks should be forced at the 
 point of a gun to vaccinate their kids.
 
 I think the problem here is a "failure to communicate". I seem to 
 recall having measles as a kid and don't ever recall any kid dying from 
 it. In the SF Bay Area our armchair radio experts are confounded that 
 1) Marin county leads in not having kids vaccinated followed by 2) 
 Silicon Valley parents. Guess they aren't as smart as the radio geniuses.
 
 Here's the thing. We have developed immense distrust for our medical 
 establishment and they've worked hard to earn that distrust. Let's not 
 forget over the last 40 years people have been more and more focused on 
 their personal health and thus concerned about what stuff that might be 
 in a shot they get. They are further concerned about what eggheads 
 reassuring them that "vaccines are safe." Fine let's see the insert.
 
 And let's not forget those TV commercials for prescription drugs you are 
 supposed to ask your doctor for where the first 15 seconds is selling 
 you on the drug and the remaining 45 all the contraindications.
 
 Aldous Huxley would be horrified.

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] A movie review for those who think mine are too low-vibe

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

*Have you downloaded the movie yet?* :-D

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[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Someone should do a study to find out why drug stores make sick people walk all 
the way to the back of the store to get their medication prescriptions filled, 
yet young healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front door. Go figure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone should do a study correlating the number of drugs advertised on tv and 
the amount of time before the same drugs are also advertised by lawyers telling 
people how they can get money from the drug companies if they got screwed up by 
the very same drug.
 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing
 
 
   The topic has not popped up here yet and for those across the pond a 
 topic that has folks in the US wrapped around has been the measles 
 outbreak in California. We have the "health experts" and some "radio 
 talk show hosts" (aren't they the smarted people in the universe or at 
 least they think they are) confounded that some folks are avoiding 
 getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Some of the talk is 
 disturbing because some people talk like folks should be forced at the 
 point of a gun to vaccinate their kids.
 
 I think the problem here is a "failure to communicate". I seem to 
 recall having measles as a kid and don't ever recall any kid dying from 
 it. In the SF Bay Area our armchair radio experts are confounded that 
 1) Marin county leads in not having kids vaccinated followed by 2) 
 Silicon Valley parents. Guess they aren't as smart as the radio geniuses.
 
 Here's the thing. We have developed immense distrust for our medical 
 establishment and they've worked hard to earn that distrust. Let's not 
 forget over the last 40 years people have been more and more focused on 
 their personal health and thus concerned about what stuff that might be 
 in a shot they get. They are further concerned about what eggheads 
 reassuring them that "vaccines are safe." Fine let's see the insert.
 
 And let's not forget those TV commercials for prescription drugs you are 
 supposed to ask your doctor for where the first 15 seconds is selling 
 you on the drug and the remaining 45 all the contraindications.
 
 Aldous Huxley would be horrified.
 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 They would jump at the chance to re-indoctrinate you.
 

 Ha! I'd like to see them try.  It's really weird going back into a TM 
environment if you've moved on. When you get used to how people in touch with 
the normal work-a-day world actually speak the Marshy-isms just fade in your 
mind, but suddenly sitting round a table with loads of TB's is really weird as 
they all still talk in that odd way about odd things that bear no relation to 
your life. It makes your skin crawl at first but as you get used to it you'll 
just find it amazing that people still really believe it. And even more amazing 
that you once fitted right in!
 
 
You should try it, I'm sure they'd be pleased to see you.
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?
 

 It's a good question. I'd like to find out but that would involve going on a 
course which I am most unlikely to do these days. If my enthusiasm ever gets 
rekindled I'll let you know.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   
 

The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks.  

 The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

They would jump at the chance to re-indoctrinate you.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?
It's a good question. I'd like to find out but that would involve going on a 
course which I am most unlikely to do these days. If my enthusiasm ever gets 
rekindled I'll let you know.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks. 
The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's 
four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 According to D. Keown, some Buddhists adopt a fatalistic perspective and see 
every piece of good and bad luck as due to some karmic cause. The doctrine of 
karma, however, does not claim that everything that happens to a person is 
karmically determined. Many of the things that happen in life - like winning 
the lottery or breaking a leg - may simply be accidents.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is a question about karma when applied to groups.  If Europe suddenly 
decided to roundup all Americans would it be your karma or because you're an 
American?  Or would it be because you're in the wrong place at the wrong time?  
The question arises with astrologers when an airline crashes killing everyone 
on board.  It is quite doubtful that the horoscopes of every passenger would 
show such a death.
 
 Then we get into the subtle shades of karma.  There is karma that is quickly 
returned and some that is returned over decades or even lifetimes.  There are 
of course Sanskrit names for these kinds of karma.  Except for the quick 
blowback, it's hard to prove or disprove.
 
 On 02/12/2015 09:52 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  
 
 
 
 That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 
 
 
 
 That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 
 
 
 
 Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 
 
 
 
 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 

 This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:s3raphita@... wrote :
 
 
 

 She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails? 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in 
past lives?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 








 

 
 







 
 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 

According to what I've read, the literal meaning of the Sanskrit word karma is 
'action', but karma as a religious concept is concerned not with just any 
actions but with actions of a particular kind. Karmic actions are moral 
actions, and the Buddha defined karma by reference to moral choices and the 
acts consequent upon them. 

He stated:

"It is choice (cetana), 0 monks, that I call karma; having chosen one acts 
through body, speech, or mind" (A.iii.415).

"What, then, makes an action good or bad? From the Buddha's definition above it 
can be seen to be largely a matter of intention and choice. The psychological 
springs of motivation are described in Buddhism as 'roots', and there are said 
to be three good roots and three bad roots. Actions motivated by greed, hatred, 
and delusion are bad (akusala, Sanskrit: akusala) while actions motivated by 
their opposites - non-attachment, benevolence, and understanding - are good 
(kusala, Sanskrit: kusala)."

Work cited:

Buddhism: A Very Short Introduction
By D. Keown
Adapted from the chapter on karma.
Oxford U. Press 1996
Paperback. 141 p. Illustrated. Index. Bilbiography.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails? 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in 
past lives?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 







  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, you're thinking that the Jews were murdered in the holocaust because of 
what they had done in the past and that Dawkins is in the condition he is in 
because of what he thought and did in the past. So much for our resident 
science-writer who previously denied determinism. Talk about mixed up!

"What you have done causes things to happen. Your situation in life now has 
been caused, is predicated upon, your previous actions. That is karma." - Rama

Quotations on Karma, Reincarnation, Buddhism, Enlightenment, Nirvana, Noble 
Truths, Eightfold Path, Tantra and Mahayana by Zen Master Rama, Dr. Frederick 
Lenz. http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/karma.html 
 
 http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/karma.html 
 
 Quotations on Karma, Reincarnation, Buddhism, E... 
http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/karma.html www.ramaquotes.com Karma   For every 
action there is a reaction. Karma can be examined within the structure of an 
hour, a year, a lifetime, a thousand lifetimes.   ...
 
 
 
 View on www.ramaquotes.com http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/karma.html 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Share. I don't know whether it will make you feel better about this 
riff on karma or worse, but it isn't mine. I picked it up from the Rama guy. It 
was the most common sense and least Woo explanation of karma I'd ever heard, so 
I stuck with it. 
 

 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
 
 
   
 thanks,turq, one of the best ie clearest explanations of karma I've read. 

 

 


 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
 
 
   
 There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

 

 That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

 

 That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

 

 Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 


 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails? 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in 
past lives?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 








 


 











 


 











 


 











  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 It's not all that clear, Share, how a thought could cause a physical object to 
change or move about. If we could use thought to cause change at will we could 
levitate up off of a sofa a few inches or fly up to the side of a mountain.

Also, if karma works on the mental level we would all be condemned for thinking 
bad thoughts. 

If karma works on the physical level we are all doomed for causing harm to 
plants and animals since we consume them every day. If karma really works and 
is based on our mental thoughts we would all go to hell for swatting a fly or 
stepping on an ant not to mention working on a farm or garden.

All of these notions have already been discounted by the scientists on this 
group. Now it's beginning to look like they are in cognitive dissonance. 
believing in science and the karma theory, both at the same time.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 thanks,turq, one of the best ie clearest explanations of karma I've read. 

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
 
 
   
 There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

 

 That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

 

 That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

 

 Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 


 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails? 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in 
past lives?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 








 


 











 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hitler had Shakti Yoga (conjunction of the Moon and Rahu in the 5th or 9th 
house) in his jyotish chart.  That means he was the incarnation of evil here on 
earth. 

 Surprisingly, Einstein had it too.  This can be seen in his contribution to 
developing the atomic bomb, which killed thousands of people.

[FairfieldLife] Funny...busted by your own roof

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is exactly what I was told by a Dutch neighbor who was a cop when I first 
moved here. All that the cops have to do to find illegal grow operations is 
just cruise around after a snowfall and watch the rooftops.  

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[FairfieldLife] Montana Legislator Tries to Ban Yoga Pants

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

*‘Yoga pants should be illegal in public’: Montana legislator fails to 
ban camel-toe-causing clothes**

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?
 

 It's a good question. I'd like to find out but that would involve going on a 
course which I am most unlikely to do these days. If my enthusiasm ever gets 
rekindled I'll let you know.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
 
 
   
 

The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks.  

 The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's 
four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Share. I don't know whether it will make you feel better about this 
riff on karma or worse, but it isn't mine. I picked it up from the Rama guy. It 
was the most common sense and least Woo explanation of karma I'd ever heard, so 
I stuck with it. 

  From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
   
    thanks,turq, one of the best ie clearest explanations of karma I've read. 

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
   
    There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: WereHolocaust victims paying for sins in past 
lives?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html

  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

It's an attempt to sell TM to millennials which are a tough nut to 
crack.  They'd have to lower the price of TM or have sponsored courses 
since millennials have no money to spend and love free things.  Oh, and 
the course would need to be taught online (but then MMY had a lot of 
experience with recorded courses).


On 02/13/2015 06:25 AM, aryavazhi wrote:


Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to 
Vivaldi's four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing 
of images set to pop music.



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[FairfieldLife] Movie: "Two Faces of January"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

This excellent film with Viggo Mortensen and Kirsten Dunst is like a 
Hitchcock thriller but without the overblown characters that Hollywood 
demanded.  It's a story set in the early 1960s of a couple fleeing from 
Athens as the Mortensen character is tracked down as a con artist.  They 
are aided by a young stranger who gets entrapped in their problem.  The 
great thing who realistic the story is told and how real and flawed the 
characters are.  It's available on Netflix streaming (and rated PG-13 so 
I suspect anyone here can handle it and talk about karma).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wonder if these folks got permission from American Authors (the band that wrote 
and recorded the song) to use their material? I bet not.

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?
   
    Methinks someone in Vlodrop has been watching too many $cientology 
commercials.  These kinda reek of cult envy.   :-)
 From: aryavazhi 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:25 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?
   
    Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Are you allowed to do official TM courses anymore since they know you are 
somewhat of an unbeliever?

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
   
    
The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks. 
The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...


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four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 This is a very good example of cognitive dissonance. If karma is purely  
mechanistic, how could it work on the mental level? The theory of karma does 
work on the physical level according to the theory of cause and effect, but is 
their also a moral reciprocity?

Also, if there is a mental karma, why is it that people who do bad things get 
rewarded with good things and why is it that some people who do good get bad 
things happening to them?

The TB seems to be confused about this.

On the one hand he thinks karma is mental and on the other hand he thinks it is 
material. If it is mental, then bad thoughts would have an effect and good 
thoughts would also have an effect on the material. Can something be mental and 
mechanistic both at the same time?

And, how would morality fit into such a theory?

Other questions:

Also, I wonder where he gets the idea of a higher and lower mind-state. If 
karma is so simple, how could anyone change cause and effect? Could they leap 
tall buildings and levitate with no visible means of physical support? Or, 
would they levitate just using their mental abilities? Go figure. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

 

 That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

 

 That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

 

 Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails? 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in 
past lives?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 








 


 











  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Approaching Alien Doom?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

They probably wouldn't be waging war but rounding us up to ship back 
home as a delicacy.


On 02/12/2015 11:37 PM, salyavin808 wrote:


"A plan to beam powerful radio messages to possible alien 
civilisations on distant planets has caused consternation among some 
scientists who believe it could spell doom for humanity on Earth.



However, critics say the proposal betrays the founding principles of 
Seti, which were about listening rather than transmitting. They fear 
that sending signals of our existence could lead to visits from malign 
extraterrestrials intent on doing harm to humans."



But suppose that everyone is curious and friendly and just wants an 
answer to the Big Question about whether they are alone, and are all 
just listening like we do? We'd never find each other! And as it's 
probably the most amazing thing we'll ever know we have to take the risk.



Basically, if they are smart enough to get all the way over here to 
wage war they'll be smart enough to have found us already. I think 
this is headline grabbing but a genuine fear might be that if they are 
so far in advance of us meeting them might have the same effect on out 
culture as the arrival of Europeans did on the rest of the world. Or 
maybe we can sell them our smart vacuum cleaners.



Bottom line is that we have to spread out into space or we go extinct 
so anyone else will be doing to us what we would do to them, so let's 
get on with it.




Plan to broadcast messages to alien worlds leaves cosmologists 
worrying 






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on distant planets has caused consternation among some scientists who 
believe it could spe...


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

There is a question about karma when applied to groups.  If Europe 
suddenly decided to roundup all Americans would it be your karma or 
because you're an American? Or would it be because you're in the wrong 
place at the wrong time?  The question arises with astrologers when an 
airline crashes killing everyone on board.  It is quite doubtful that 
the horoscopes of every passenger would show such a death.


Then we get into the subtle shades of karma.  There is karma that is 
quickly returned and some that is returned over decades or even 
lifetimes.  There are of course Sanskrit names for these kinds of 
karma.  Except for the quick blowback, it's hard to prove or disprove.


On 02/12/2015 09:52 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the 
workings of karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does 
not require any kind of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an 
automatic mechanism -- is that the effects of karma are not physical 
but mental.

/*
*/
/*
*/That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe 
in (kill someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple 
(and thus effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of 
attention drops to a lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do 
something nice for someone else and your state of attention rises to a 
higher and more intelligent/creative level.

/*
*/
/*
*/That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma 
to work.

/*
*/
/*
*/Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate 
would find themselves repeating the same types of actions that created 
that lower, duller mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted 
in a higher, clearer mindstate would be drawn more to actions that 
would perpetuate and encourage their higher, clearer mindstate. And at 
any point one can *change* one's proclivities by simply changing one's 
actions, so there is no such thing as permanent karma or karma one 
cannot escape. /*



*From:* "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


**

This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less 
what belief in karma actually entails?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for 
sins in past lives?**

*
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[Duveyoung]

Heh -- let's face it -- Maharishi shunted a million people into TM -- thus 
keeping them from finding true gurus elsewhere, and, and they, getting 
disgusted with TM's lack of results,  then give up on all spiritual techniques.

All the other gurus should be thanking Maharishi for getting the stupids out of 
their hair. 

 How's that for making lemonade out of Maharishi's achievements?  

I love to flip things.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Old fashioned or boring and dignified?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?

[salyavin808]

The video is a bit groovy for the TMO but I recognised something flashing by. 
The beach they are on is in Turkey. I was backpacking there about 20 years ago 
and discovered it myself, it's a town called Cirali near Antalya. It's worth a 
visit as it's a national park and there are no big hotels, just a few farms 
with rooms to rent. I camped in someone's orchard and she cooked for me every 
night, she used to run a veggie restaurant and was pleased to have someone to 
pamper. Sod the hiking I thought and stayed there for weeks.  

 The flames you see the TMers sitting by aren't a camp fire but natural gas 
escaping through rocks up a mountain nearby. It's called the Eternal Flame of 
the Chimera and it's a cool place to go at night and cook your dinner on the 
rocks and look at the stars. Greeks used the flames to navigate across the 
mediterranean to the city of Olympus down the beach which is mostly 
unexcavated, I used to spend my days trudging through mangrove swamps looking 
for statues of Zeuss and the plentiful Roman stuff, found a theatre once. Good 
times, would love to do a TM course there except for the Islamic call to prayer 
four times a day, probably make you jump in your sutras...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
music.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Methinks someone in Vlodrop has been watching too many $cientology commercials. 
 These kinda reek of cult envy.   :-)
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 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:25 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?
   
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Vivaldi's four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images 
set to pop music.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
   
    Natural Progressions
... > animism > polytheism > monotheism/panthesism > agnosticism > atheism > 
igtheism > ...

I can see that:  

Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that every theological position assumes too 
much about the concept of God and other theological concepts; including (but 
not limited to) concepts of faith, spirituality, heaven, hell, afterlife, 
damnation, salvation, sin and the soul.
>From my side, I don't have issues with those who feel that there may be some 
>universal level of silence that permeates and underlies everything in the 
>universe, which they feel they contact or become when they "transcend" during 
>meditation. Been there, done that. 

It's when they call this universal ground state "God" that the problems arise, 
because that term has too many other connotations that it carries around as 
baggage. First, it implies that this field that underlies everything else is 
sentient, and has its own awareness. Second, most people's concept of God is 
that this field that they believe is sentient is not only aware of itself, it's 
aware of *them*, and not only does it know what they're doing, it actually 
cares about their welfare. Third, most people who believe in a God (especially 
those who speak of "God the Creator") believe that this field they call God can 
interfere with our world and cause things to happen in it. And fourth, most 
people who believe in this kind of meddling God believe that it has a Plan of 
some sort, and is not only interfering in our world, but doing so benevolently 
and wisely. 

I have problems with all four of these definitions of God, because I've never 
found any evidence that any of the four of them exist. I think they're just 
people *projecting* these qualities that they WISH the universe had onto it. 

People who believe otherwise are free to believe what they bloody well want. 
Just don't try to tell me I don't have the right to laugh at them for doing so. 
Just as they're free to laugh at me for what they may consider my heretical 
disbelief. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

See, this is why I tend to avoid interactions with theists. Suggest that God 
doesn't exist (or in this case that no God is necessary for reincarnation to 
work) and they go all crazy and non-sequitur on your ass.   :-)
Hint, Seraphita...you're angry at and fighting against some image of me that 
you've projected onto me. For example, you keep calling me a "materialist," as 
if I had called myself one. I haven't. Ever. You're arguing with made-up ideas 
about made-up atheists inside your head, not with me. 
 




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[FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?

[aryavazhi]

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four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Natural Progressions
 

... > animism > polytheism > monotheism/panthesism > agnosticism > atheism > 
igtheism > ...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 See, this is why I tend to avoid interactions with theists. Suggest that God 
doesn't exist (or in this case that no God is necessary for reincarnation to 
work) and they go all crazy and non-sequitur on your ass.   :-)
 

 Hint, Seraphita...you're angry at and fighting against some image of me that 
you've projected onto me. For example, you keep calling me a "materialist," as 
if I had called myself one. I haven't. Ever. You're arguing with made-up ideas 
about made-up atheists inside your head, not with me. 

 
 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

thanks,turq, one of the best ie clearest explanations of karma I've read. 

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
   
    There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: WereHolocaust victims paying for sins in past 
lives?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html

  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I've heard otherwise intelligent humans claim that Hitler was doing his 
Holocaust victims a favour by helping them burn off their karma. 

Sounds like some TM shit to me.

Madness. Unless it's true. But if the universe has some sort of automatic 
payback system for all decision making life forms I'll be truly astonished.
As I have said before, there is little evidence to suggest "karma" is real and 
plenty of evidence to suggest its just some crap the ancient lazy Indian 
"seers" made up when they were laying about in the forest, smoking ganja and 
ogling the gals. Maybe that was the original "Forest Academy" that inspired 
liar Marshy to institute something similar at MIU.

I remember being taught in SCI (not a religion honest) that what we do comes 
back to us in the same way that throwing a pebble into a pond creates ripples 
that bounce back off the pond walls to interfere in what we do now. I asked 
what medium the ripples I create travel through and what they are bouncing off 
of to interfere with me, but apparently they don't like answering questions 
like that.
The answer is obviously morphic fields a la Ruppie Sheldrake! Or p'raps it 
might be quantum fluid as described in the recent paper by Ahmed Farag Ali and 
Saurya Das.
"In physical terms, the model describes the universe as being filled with a 
quantum fluid. The scientists propose that this fluid might be composed of 
gravitons—hypothetical massless particles that mediate the force of gravity."
 
And if stuff affects you from a previous life then your new soul must be 
working on the same frequency as the old one to stop you getting someone elses 
karma back, which means there must be something passed on to the new body, so 
why don;t I remeber anything? That'd be so useful!
That's to keep you from being attached to the people and things you were 
attached to in your last life. Plus you don't get no new soul. Its the same 
soul, different body.

>From musings like this I conclude that the whole thing is bollocks and, apart 
>from it's power as a form of social control, people are blaming their 
>inevitable misfortunes on the concept of karma to make sense of an 
>occasionally miserable world. I think it can be explained with a much simpler 
>universal principle: Shit Happens.
Agreed. God don't give a rat's ass what we do here. If He She It did, they sure 
don't show it.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:51 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: WereHolocaust victims paying for sins in past 
lives?
If you believe that what you do now has ramifications in the future then you 
must believe this. Unless the Nazis were just storing up bad karma for 
themselves?
This sort of worrying thinking riddles the new age movement, I've heard 
otherwise intelligent humans claim that Hitler was doing his Holocaust victims 
a favour by helping them burn off their karma. Madness. Unless it's true. But 
if the universe has some sort of automatic payback system for all decision 
making life forms I'll be truly astonished.
I remember being taught in SCI (not a religion honest) that what we do comes 
back to us in the same way that throwing a pebble into a pond creates ripples 
that bounce back off the pond walls to interfere in what we do now. I asked 
what medium the ripples I create travel through and what they are bouncing off 
of to interfere with me, but apparently they don't like answering questions 
like that.
More importantly, each person's karma must work on it's own frequency to stop 
us interfering with each other and there must be an accelerating number every 
day as more people are born. And groups must have collective frequencies to get 
the collective karma. 
And if stuff affects you from a previous life then your new soul must be 
working on the same frequency as the old one to stop you getting someone elses 
karma back, which means there must be something passed on to the new body, so 
why don;t I remeber anything? That'd be so useful!
>From musings like this I conclude that the whole thing is bollocks and, apart 
>from it's power as a form of social control, people are blaming their 
>inevitable misfortunes on the concept of karma to make sense of an 
>occasionally miserable world. I think it can be explained with a much simpler 
>universal principle: Shit Happens.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

She forgot to suggest the Jews might-a been part of the Golden Horde.
She's just saying in print what most New Age-y people believe - it just ain't 
too popular with regular folks.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
   
 Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins 
in past lives?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Someone should do a study correlating the number of drugs advertised on tv and 
the amount of time before the same drugs are also advertised by lawyers telling 
people how they can get money from the drug companies if they got screwed up by 
the very same drug.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Measly Thing
   
    The topic has not popped up here yet and for those across the pond a 
topic that has folks in the US wrapped around has been the measles 
outbreak in California. We have the "health experts" and some "radio 
talk show hosts" (aren't they the smarted people in the universe or at 
least they think they are) confounded that some folks are avoiding 
getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Some of the talk is 
disturbing because some people talk like folks should be forced at the 
point of a gun to vaccinate their kids.

I think the problem here is a "failure to communicate". I seem to 
recall having measles as a kid and don't ever recall any kid dying from 
it. In the SF Bay Area our armchair radio experts are confounded that 
1) Marin county leads in not having kids vaccinated followed by 2) 
Silicon Valley parents. Guess they aren't as smart as the radio geniuses.

Here's the thing. We have developed immense distrust for our medical 
establishment and they've worked hard to earn that distrust. Let's not 
forget over the last 40 years people have been more and more focused on 
their personal health and thus concerned about what stuff that might be 
in a shot they get. They are further concerned about what eggheads 
reassuring them that "vaccines are safe." Fine let's see the insert.

And let's not forget those TV commercials for prescription drugs you are 
supposed to ask your doctor for where the first 15 seconds is selling 
you on the drug and the remaining 45 all the contraindications.

Aldous Huxley would be horrified.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 See, this is why I tend to avoid interactions with theists. Suggest that God 
doesn't exist (or in this case that no God is necessary for reincarnation to 
work) and they go all crazy and non-sequitur on your ass.   :-)
 

 Hint, Seraphita...you're angry at and fighting against some image of me that 
you've projected onto me. For example, you keep calling me a "materialist," as 
if I had called myself one. I haven't. Ever. You're arguing with made-up ideas 
about made-up atheists inside your head, not with me.

"I'm a Buddhist."

Author: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Re: The "Disappearing" Of Aran A. Mous 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda
Date: 2003-03-12 17:00:34 PST 




 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
 
 
   Re your previous comment: "Buddhists believe in "rebirth", not of a soul, 
but a reborn heap of proclivities or tendencies due to karma.": 

 Correct again. What I would claim is that if anyone thinks "tendencies" - 
desires, fears, grasping, valuing, . . . - can be reborn then they *must* 
believe that our conscious experiences are at least as real as the material 
phenomena examined by science. If mental phenomena are real then the "Ground of 
Being" supporting our lives must be Mental or Spirit. But that implies that the 
materialistic/naturalistic take on life which assumes we are just ape-family 
members with overactive brains whose explanation can be reduced to atoms in 
complex arrangements is pitifully inadequate as a complete account of reality.
 

 On another thread Barry opines sneeringly: "You'd kinda *have* to believe in 
the idea that there is an invisible being looking out for you (because you're 
so important and all)":
 

 Maybe Barry is being too modest for once. Perhaps "God" when reviewing all 
possible worlds and their evolution over time caught a glimpse of a world in 
which Barry exchanged a tender, heart-breaking, soul-piercing glance with a 
pretty girl and God thought: "Wow! Now that I do like! I'll go ahead and 
actualize that world".
 

 Other possible worlds in which pain predominates over happiness are not 
actualized. Why? Because "God" only brings into existence worlds which reveal 
the highest values and in which the good outweighs the bad. Unfortunately to 
bring that transcendent, tear-inducing Barry/girl moment into existence also 
involves God creating a world in which other people die horribly of Ebola (for 
inscrutable reasons, but for a helpful suggestion refer to Barry's/the Buddhist 
"concept of Interdependent Origination"). That Barry/girl experience (and 
others like it), thinks God, creates values that otherwise wouldn't exist.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 This is a strange thread - you would think that these guys wold love Robert 
Anton Wilson. Something tells me they have never read any of his books. They 
are just posting blah blah and trying out some button-pushing. It's almost 
depressing watching these guys in action. What a waste of good band-space. Go 
figure.

Robert Anton Wilson
Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson
 
 Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson Robert Anton Wilson (born 
Robert Edward Wilson, January 18, 1932 – January 11, 2007) was an American 
author, novelist, psychologist, essayist, editor, playwrigh...


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Looking forward to what comes next does not require that a next to exist 
for looking forward to work. ": 

 WTF?! Is English not your first language? 
 

 Barry presumably believes that his good self will carry on existing in some 
future state. If that strikes one as unlikely then looking back on one's past 
and only life seems a reasonable way to spend one's last moments no?
 

 Barry is also caricaturing Robert Anton Wilson's sense. RAW clearly wasn't 
thinking of people he may have wound up on a Yahoo groups site (few of those 
will be shedding tears tonight) but of former friends he'd perhaps let down or 
loved ones he'd fallen out with. He wanted to get reconciled with those he'd 
personally and intimately interacted with and so felt were a significant part 
of his identity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 You have not defined what looking forward to work means. Looking forward to 
what comes next does not require that a next to exist for looking forward to 
work. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would not work if there is no next.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The notion of spending my last moments concerned what others thoug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you a real man?

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Prattle.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is a lost of - apparently - essential skills the modern man should have. 
I think women might actually benefit from a lot of this, unless they are the 
type who stand around pretending to be helpless so the man of the house does 
everything technical for them.
 I think that knowing the words of the national anthem is about as useless a 
skill as one could possibly have, as is knowing anything about football. I'd 
rather replace them with some things that didn't quite make the list like: Who 
is the best Bond and how to undo a bra with one hand etc...
 

 1. His wedding anniversary date
 2. Basic DIY
 3. How to change a light bulb
 4. How to tie up a tie
 5. How to read a map
 6. His partner's favourite drink
 7. How to iron a shirt
 8. How to change a tyre
 9. How to wet shave correctly
 10. The right amount of aftershave to use
 11. How to change a fuse
 12. When a woman says "I'm fine" she is not fine
 13. How to put up a shelf
 14. How to polish his shoes
 15. How to give a confident handshake
 16. How many inches are in a foot
 17. When to accept defeat and apologise
 18. Know the offside rule
 19. The year England won the World Cup
 20. How to do his own laundry
 21. How to fix a bike puncture
 22. How to jumpstart a car
 23. How to parallel park
 24. The difference between ale and lager
 25. The best way to carve meat
 26. His own height
 27. How to drive in snow
 28. What wires represent earth, live and neutral
 29. How to introduce himself
 30. His parents' address
 31. What the football scores were at the weekend
 32. How to light a BBQ
 33. When a woman says "Do what you want" do not do what you want
 34. How to change oil
 35. What the biggest recent football transfers are
 36. How to build a fire
 37. Which way is North
 38. How to use the contents of the toolbox
 39. How to tune in a telly
 40. How many miles are left after the petrol light appears
 41. How to fix a toilet
 42. How to put someone in a recovery position
 43. His personal alcohol limits
 44. Change a battery on a car
 45. How to get a car unstuck
 46. The words to the national anthem
 47. How to change a nappy
 48. How to perform CPR
 49. How to put up a tent
 
 50. Who are favourites to win the Premier League
 Are you a real man? The top 50 things every chap should know - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11408971/Are-you-a-real-man-The-top-50-things-every-chap-should-know.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11408971/Are-you-a-real-man-The-top-50-things-every-chap-should-know.html
 
 Are you a real man? The top 50 things every chap should ... 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11408971/Are-you-a-real-man-The-top-50-things-every-chap-should-know.html
 How to change a tyre, his personal alcohol limits and basic DIY are all on the 
list of essential man facts, according to researchers


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Leiden Now (approx.)

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 



 From: salyavin808 
 
 I can see the steam rising off Turq's morning coffee. Or is that the milky way?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 

 It's steam rising off the foreheads of theists who can't handle people not 
believing in the same things they do.  :-)

Other questions:

So, you believe in Buddhas. What's the difference between a Buddha believer and 
a theist? Are Buddhas "spirits"? Are you on a "spiritual" path? If so, have you 
ever communicated with a spirit?

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the attached chart, which shows Earth from a viewpoint 17,000 km above 
the Leiden Observatory at 22:00 GMT, about an hour after I post this, I can 
predict that it will probably be night a bit longer where you are Barry, but I 
will be damned if I can predict anything else from this, except that you do not 
show up in the picture very well.
 

 Are there any astrologers left on FFL?




 


 






  


 
 

 It's steam rising off the foreheads of theists who can't handle people not 
believing in the same things they do.  :-)



 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the attached chart, which shows Earth from a viewpoint 17,000 km above 
the Leiden Observatory at 22:00 GMT, about an hour after I post this, I can 
predict that it will probably be night a bit longer where you are Barry, but I 
will be damned if I can predict anything else from this, except that you do not 
show up in the picture very well.
 

 Are there any astrologers left on FFL?




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Leiden Now (approx.)

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

I can see the steam rising off Turq's morning coffee. Or is that the milky way?



It's steam rising off the foreheads of theists who can't handle people not 
believing in the same things they do.  :-)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

>From the attached chart, which shows Earth from a viewpoint 17,000 km above 
>the Leiden Observatory at 22:00 GMT, about an hour after I post this, I can 
>predict that it will probably be night a bit longer where you are Barry, but I 
>will be damned if I can predict anything else from this, except that you do 
>not show up in the picture very well.
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[FairfieldLife] Are you a real man?

[salyavin808]

Here is a lost of - apparently - essential skills the modern man should have. I 
think women might actually benefit from a lot of this, unless they are the type 
who stand around pretending to be helpless so the man of the house does 
everything technical for them.
 I think that knowing the words of the national anthem is about as useless a 
skill as one could possibly have, as is knowing anything about football. I'd 
rather replace them with some things that didn't quite make the list like: Who 
is the best Bond and how to undo a bra with one hand etc...
 

 1. His wedding anniversary date
 2. Basic DIY
 3. How to change a light bulb
 4. How to tie up a tie
 5. How to read a map
 6. His partner's favourite drink
 7. How to iron a shirt
 8. How to change a tyre
 9. How to wet shave correctly
 10. The right amount of aftershave to use
 11. How to change a fuse
 12. When a woman says "I'm fine" she is not fine
 13. How to put up a shelf
 14. How to polish his shoes
 15. How to give a confident handshake
 16. How many inches are in a foot
 17. When to accept defeat and apologise
 18. Know the offside rule
 19. The year England won the World Cup
 20. How to do his own laundry
 21. How to fix a bike puncture
 22. How to jumpstart a car
 23. How to parallel park
 24. The difference between ale and lager
 25. The best way to carve meat
 26. His own height
 27. How to drive in snow
 28. What wires represent earth, live and neutral
 29. How to introduce himself
 30. His parents' address
 31. What the football scores were at the weekend
 32. How to light a BBQ
 33. When a woman says "Do what you want" do not do what you want
 34. How to change oil
 35. What the biggest recent football transfers are
 36. How to build a fire
 37. Which way is North
 38. How to use the contents of the toolbox
 39. How to tune in a telly
 40. How many miles are left after the petrol light appears
 41. How to fix a toilet
 42. How to put someone in a recovery position
 43. His personal alcohol limits
 44. Change a battery on a car
 45. How to get a car unstuck
 46. The words to the national anthem
 47. How to change a nappy
 48. How to perform CPR
 49. How to put up a tent
 
 50. Who are favourites to win the Premier League
 Are you a real man? The top 50 things every chap should know - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11408971/Are-you-a-real-man-The-top-50-things-every-chap-should-know.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11408971/Are-you-a-real-man-The-top-50-things-every-chap-should-know.html
 
 
 Are you a real man? The top 50 things every chap should ... 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11408971/Are-you-a-real-man-The-top-50-things-every-chap-should-know.html
 How to change a tyre, his personal alcohol limits and basic DIY are all on the 
list of essential man facts, according to researchers
 
 
 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
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