[FairfieldLife] Re: John Steed R.I.P.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : If I lived in the USA I might well buy a handgun to keep at home for self-defence as there are just too many firearms floating around for my liking. (Yes, I'd be adding to the total but you see where I'm coming from.) Emma Peel's golden revolver could be the one I'd choose. Sexy, no? Does anyone recognise what make it is? According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database (no, really) it's a short-barrel Webley MK IV
[FairfieldLife] Re: A modest proposal
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re this new FFL regime where members are banned after posting offensive messages. There's a division between those, like me, to whom an insult on a topical website simply makes me shrug my shoulders - like water off a duck's back, to mix my metaphors; and those to whom FFL is a spiritual site and members should have a certain, minimum consideration of the feelings of those they disagree with. Here's the thing: there used to be a rule that those who posted too many messages over a period would be banned from the site for a week or whatever. Now that Buck has volunteered to be the site's censor why not allow him to ban someone who is offensive for a week at a time (not permanently)? That way anyone who persistently abused others would, as persistently, be banned from posting to the site. Would that not be a reasonable compromise? One difference from the rule when posters were ostracised for too many messages is that that sanction was automatically triggered when the counter indicated someone had got too fond of the sound of his own voice. Whether someone is offensive is clearly a subjective judgement. Buck has taken on the role - isn't he a true believer? So won't he come down hardest on those who take a more sceptical view of TM and MMY? But setting aside that issue - Buck is the one who volunteered to take on the role, and I wouldn't like the job! - wouldn't my modest proposal be an acceptable solution? It depends on what you mean by offensive. I found Back for more really offensive for spending three days slagging off Xeno for having the temerity to post a series of logic and reasonable arguments against Buck's first putsch. I could have been all nicety-nice about it but what's the point? If someone is so pathologically clueless they spend days attacking someone in exactly the sort of way that they claim drove them away from FFL in the first place they are going to be too self-centred to notice any subtle inflexions that I could impart. Personally I think behaviour like that ought to be self-moderating in that if I was called on such rank hypocrisy I'd be too embarrassed to show my face here for a month. But here they are already commenting on this very post with another round of sneering, lying, goading and insulting. Some people are just too full of themselves. Go figure
[FairfieldLife] Re: What colour is your partner?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Three London teenagers have invented a condom that changes colour if the wearer has a sexually transmitted disease. http://tinyurl.com/ob5urtx http://tinyurl.com/ob5urtx If your red-hot sex suddenly turns blue, call it quits! Surely the fact that wearing one is enough to stop transmission of STI's ought to make the warning somewhat superfluous?
[FairfieldLife] Re: mjackson74 can be moderator (A modest proposal)
I think, mjackson74 should be made a moderator. He can be a good counter-balance to Buck. Is mjackson74 willing to be a moderator? --- s3raphita@... wrote : Re this new FFL regime where members are banned after posting offensive messages. There's a division between those, like me, to whom an insult on a topical website simply makes me shrug my shoulders - like water off a duck's back, to mix my metaphors; and those to whom FFL is a spiritual site and members should have a certain, minimum consideration of the feelings of those they disagree with. Here's the thing: there used to be a rule that those who posted too many messages over a period would be banned from the site for a week or whatever. Now that Buck has volunteered to be the site's censor why not allow him to ban someone who is offensive for a week at a time (not permanently)? That way anyone who persistently abused others would, as persistently, be banned from posting to the site. Would that not be a reasonable compromise? One difference from the rule when posters were ostracised for too many messages is that that sanction was automatically triggered when the counter indicated someone had got too fond of the sound of his own voice. Whether someone is offensive is clearly a subjective judgement. Buck has taken on the role - isn't he a true believer? So won't he come down hardest on those who take a more sceptical view of TM and MMY? But setting aside that issue - Buck is the one who volunteered to take on the role, and I wouldn't like the job! - wouldn't my modest proposal be an acceptable solution? --- salyavin808@... wrote : It depends on what you mean by offensive. I found Back for more really offensive for spending three days slagging off Xeno for having the temerity to post a series of logic and reasonable arguments against Buck's first putsch. I could have been all nicety-nice about it but what's the point? If someone is so pathologically clueless they spend days attacking someone in exactly the sort of way that they claim drove them away from FFL in the first place they are going to be too self-centred to notice any subtle inflexions that I could impart. Personally I think behaviour like that ought to be self-moderating in that if I was called on such rank hypocrisy I'd be too embarrassed to show my face here for a month. But here they are already commenting on this very post with another round of sneering, lying, goading and insulting. Some people are just too full of themselves. Go figure
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Time to shut down FFL (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : IOW, Doomsday Preppers will get the last laugh. ;-) https://youtu.be/xembQvHGNUM https://youtu.be/xembQvHGNUM Excellent,I love people like that. I hope they don't end like a guy in my home town though. During the 80's he started to fear the immanent collapse of society, so he made the downstairs of his house into a shelter and brought enough food to last him the rest of his life. But he had to throw it away recently because it went past its use by date LOL. Another story I read is that a German survivalist in the 70's decided that nuclear war and social collapse was just round the corner due to the increasing missile stocks being built up in the cold war. So he did some research into where would be the safest, most trouble-free place to live that would survive both the political turmoil and be far enough away from a nuclear exchange that the radiation wouldn't affect him. In 1980 he sold his house and moved to the Falklands... On 06/25/2015 02:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Software development would come to a halt. These days a programmer's right hand man is the Internet. Instead of books you look up how to solve a programming problem by looking it up online. Of course we'd have to go back to selling software in boxes at stores and mailing out discs with updates. That is if anyone bothered to turn on their computers again. It's lucky for us it's all fairly hypothetical. But what if some terrorist group could create a virus so evil it took down the web for a month. Would civilisation survive? Shops wouldn't get food, shipping would stop, power regulation relies on information gathered and passed over the net. Probably everything in the modern world is connected in some way. It's lucky that ISIS are more intent on buying nuclear weapons than good programmers On 06/25/2015 09:43 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Nah, just shut down the Internet. That should make everyone happy or not! Image what you'd do without the Internet. Can't imagine life without it. But it would probably be like when I used to go travelling and I'd miss the TV and phone for about half a minute before adjusting. The web has always been like a newsagents to me. Mostly for browsing the magazines and trying to decide what camera/bike to buy. But it does avoid the tedious going down the library and looking through a catalogue to find the right book to order if I want to know how far it is to the Andromeda galaxy, and then wait two weeks for delivery. Much easier with Wikipedia. On 06/25/2015 08:14 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: yes, and as we continue to move past the event things will continue to get better. I'm down for calling it a higher power event. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Is this an obituary? I'm trying hard to shed a tear, but it's just not happening. (-: I was pretty positive half of FFL was going to leave as soon as they found out Doug was going to be the moderator and I said so to various people. Funnily enough, that didn't happen and doesn't appear to be going to happen. I guess everyone currently posting here just can't quite pull themselves away. Part of it is addiction, part seems to be the love of drama and some of it seems to be that some consider it their second home. Let's see who voluntarily unsubscribes first, either in disgust or as a protest move. I'm pretty sure, if things stay the way they are currently, that it will be no one. But I like to be surprised. qu! ot;You can check out any time you like but you can never (quite) leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : This place may just fade into the woodwork. It does get tiresome. I am pretty sure Barry was feeling wearisome about it. He did post many marvellous things. His not being here seems the result of a personal vendetta at the hands of the moderator. The problem with power is it reveals one's corruption. Judy seemed to lose interest, maybe she just got tired. Her method of posting did not seem to have changed. Barry challenged people at the gut level as well as at the intellectual level. The gut level is much more difficult to respond to because it activates the lower emotional brain functions, and the intellect goes into hibernation as a result. You
[FairfieldLife] Re: back and forth (Time to come clean Doug)
--- curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls --- authfriend@... wrote : Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified. Judy, you are totally crazy. You know what Buck exactly meant by back and forth. Buck clearly implied that it was a joint decision by both him and Rick. You can't be this dense, not to have understood what has happened. The entire event happened by subterfuge.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Time to shut down FFL (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Preppers UK style. Bone up, Sal! https://youtu.be/v1sPg0zY4wg https://youtu.be/v1sPg0zY4wg I am now officially terrified. I don't know what sort of disaster to prepare for though. We don't get hurricanes or Earthquakes that you'd notice, all-out nuclear war is unlikely though a terrorist dirty bomb isn't, but the authorities could cope with that and keep the un-bombed parts of the country functioning. Killer viruses would have to work damn fast if they are to get past modern quarantine and scientific study and cure - they sorted out ebola pretty sharpish when it looked like it might threaten non-Africans. Seems like the only things to worry about are major global upsets like super-volcanoes or meteor impacts. So the thing to stock up on is food and water, and weapons to stop everyone getting at your stash. But how long could we live for if the sun was blocked by dust anyway? On 06/25/2015 02:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Software development would come to a halt. These days a programmer's right hand man is the Internet. Instead of books you look up how to solve a programming problem by looking it up online. Of course we'd have to go back to selling software in boxes at stores and mailing out discs with updates. That is if anyone bothered to turn on their computers again. It's lucky for us it's all fairly hypothetical. But what if some terrorist group could create a virus so evil it took down the web for a month. Would civilisation survive? Shops wouldn't get food, shipping would stop, power regulation relies on information gathered and passed over the net. Probably everything in the modern world is connected in some way. It's lucky that ISIS are more intent on buying nuclear weapons than good programmers On 06/25/2015 09:43 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Nah, just shut down the Internet. That should make everyone happy or not! Image what you'd do without the Internet. Can't imagine life without it. But it would probably be like when I used to go travelling and I'd miss the TV and phone for about half a minute before adjusting. The web has always been like a newsagents to me. Mostly for browsing the magazines and trying to decide what camera/bike to buy. But it does avoid the tedious going down the library and looking through a catalogue to find the right book to order if I want to know how far it is to the Andromeda galaxy, and then wait two weeks for delivery. Much easier with Wikipedia. On 06/25/2015 08:14 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: yes, and as we continue to move past the event things will continue to get better. I'm down for calling it a higher power event. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Is this an obituary? I'm trying hard to shed a tear, but it's just not happening. (-: I was pretty positive half of FFL was going to leave as soon as they found out Doug was going to be the moderator and I said so to various people. Funnily enough, that didn't happen and doesn't appear to be going to happen. I guess everyone currently posting here just can't quite pull themselves away. Part of it is addiction, part seems to be the love of drama and some of it seems to be that some consider it their second home. Let's see who voluntarily unsubscribes first, either in disgust or as a protest move. I'm pretty sure, if things stay the way they are currently, that it will be no one. But I like to be surprised. qu! ot;You can check out any time you like but you can never (quite) leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : This place may just fade into the woodwork. It does get tiresome. I am pretty sure Barry was feeling wearisome about it. He did post many marvellous things. His not being here seems the result of a personal vendetta at the hands of the moderator. The problem with power is it reveals one's corruption. Judy seemed to lose interest, maybe she just got tired. Her method of posting did not seem to have changed. Barry challenged people at the gut level as well as at the intellectual level. The gut level is much more difficult to respond to because it activates the lower emotional brain functions, and the intellect goes into hibernation as a result. You even see this in the Bhagavad-Gita: 'From anger
[FairfieldLife] Re: back and forth (Time to come clean Doug)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : --- curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls --- authfriend@... wrote : Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified. Judy, you are totally crazy. You know what Buck exactly meant by back and forth. Buck clearly implied that it was a joint decision by both him and Rick. You can't be this dense, not to have understood what has happened. The entire event happened by subterfuge. It's Judy's MO, she just likes arguing and feeling self-righteous about things. She must have quite an ego problem to need to spend so much time buffing it up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Well we seem to have a couple of teenagers over in the corner going at each other like a Facebook brawl. I'm just ignoring it. Some people just never grow up. On 06/26/2015 07:27 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re! -moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm rushing a bit. Sorry about that. I can see your point about Richard and Barry. Yes, two different situations. Me: Thanks for saying that. Seve:Barry stated on many occasions that nothing would keep him from his mission to demonstrate that TM was a cult, and it's defenders, (except in his narrowly provided parameters) were cult apologists, and that he would not cease from this mission. Okay, so, I reacted to this, because I felt he went about this mission in a dishonest way, often distorting other people's intentions to make sure his point was always proved. Me: That sounds like a party to me. I can understand both of your motivations to interact. Steve: Now, you may disagree with my take on it, but that was my motivation behind my communications with Barry. I'm not really apologizing for it, or feel I need to defend it. Me: Antagonists are not bad for a place where people write, they are essential IMO. Especially if they write as well as Barry or Judy for that matter. You don't have to explain the appeal to me, I get it. Steve: I see you interacting with Judy, one hundred times more than I do, and it leaves me, scratching my head. Me: Because I love Judy. She has done more for my writing than anyone I can think of. There were times when she got me more wound up than I like to be, but that is a power I respect and use for my own goals here. If there was no Judy here, there would never be the level of participation I have engaged in, and it has benefited me in more ways than I can count. Nice extension of our rap, thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Lumping together R and Barry is not accurate Steve. R didn't get bounced for being a troll, he violated a much more serious rule, was banned for it once and then came back and did it again, and then continued it on the Peak. He was much more than a guy who starts arguments on the Internet. If anyone had bounced him for just being a troll I would have objected. I simply stopped reading the guy at all so I had no problem with him which is probably why he went the next step to get my attention, but that was on him. His malicious choice. I get it that you wanted Barry gone although I still don't get it since you communicated with him a hundred times more than I ever did. I would think you would miss his writing prompts. But nevertheless, the place can't run on this kind of subjective evaluation. Who can be trusted with that power over other adults? Buck? Maybe you should talk to Rick about this offline to see what I am seeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ethics and Driverless Cars
Self-driving cars may turn out to be as popular as Google Glass. Remember those? On 06/26/2015 02:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Oops: Two self-driving cars involved in close call in California http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss image http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss Two self-driving cars involved in close call in Californ... http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss Delphi Automotive Audi had to take ‘appropriate action’ after being cut up by Google Lexus, says executive who was riding in the car View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : They haven't programmed in California stops. That's why they get read-ended around here. People expect the car in front of them to do a California stop not a full one. :-D Actually I haven't seen any of Google's test cars around here except possibly the fleet of similar cars in the lot where I parked at Google back in February. But those looked more like a fleet vehicle they might use if they needed to drive out to a meeting in the area. But they were Spark cars. We were sold the idea of driverless cars back in the 1950s but we were supposed to have them by the 1980s. I even heard they put cables in the Interstate highways for that purpose. Driverless cars might be more appealing for long distance travel so you could kick back, watch a movie, play games or take videos of the scenery. But then take over again once at the destination. To some extent impractical since a better solution would be cheaper and faster rail transportation but we pretty much killed the railroads and who wants to fly with the gestapo at the airports? On 06/25/2015 10:23 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? 'Right now, ethicists have more questions than answers. Should rules governing autonomous vehicles emphasize the greater good -- the number of lives saved -- and put no value on the individuals involved?' Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-25/should-a-driverless-car-decide-who-lives-or-dies-in-an-accident- image http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-25/should-a-driverless-car-decide-who-lives-or-dies-in-an-accident- Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-25/should-a-driverless-car-decide-who-lives-or-dies-in-an-accident- The gearheads in D! etroit, Tokyo and Stuttgart have mostly figured out how to build driverless vehicles. Even the Google guys seem to have solved the riddle. View on www.bloomberg.com http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-25/should-a-driverless-car-decide-who-lives-or-dies-in-an-accident- Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant
I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the
readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a
cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of
Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an
Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with
equal parts revulsion and fascination...
Exchange from a previous post:
Buck being channeled though Doug:
Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone fromFFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My
master is the list owner.We had quite sufficient back and forth about this
before taking ouradditional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in
thecontrols
Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't
that what you accused him of lying about?
I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list
owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his
authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his
moderator status).
Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member
settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people,
approve posts before they go up, etc.).
Where's the lie, Curtis?
Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
As was just said, you saved me some typing. (-: Perhaps they can just move along folks, nothing to see here anymore. the great cleansing did not occur. please resume normal programming ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo She sings it best: NINA SIMONE-FEELING GOOD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRX-8SXOs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRX-8SXOs NINA SIMONE-FEELING GOOD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRX-8SXOs Birds flying high you know how I feel Sun in the sky you know how I feel Breeze driftin' on by you know how I feel (refrain:)x2 It's a new dawn It's a n... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRX-8SXOs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better
than that, now he is the main-most person in charge!
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Et tu Edg?
So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it
is OK?
Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true.
It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right
now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the
criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria
is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a
matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here.
And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand
of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to
opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking.
Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you
ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said
Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his
idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's
name?
Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no
love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has
engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you
and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up
as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant
condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open.
Edg, do ya hear me!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I
don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far spam removed.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
Hey, you were the one who said to Salyavin, Or maybe I'm confused. (See below in red.) I was just confirming that yes, you were confused. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are the one confused - I was addressing Sal and something he said - try to see a mental health care professional to get treatment for your obsessive need to correct everyone in the world. Or get a session with Barry - oh how I wish he were here. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug Gimme a break. You were wondering what I was talking about. You were confused. I unconfused you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : i was talking to Sal not u From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug You're a little confused. See my third paragraph below. All three of 'em are doing it. (I'm not talking about *sexual* harassment, BTW, just continued annoying dumb attacks, typically gratuitous.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think she was accusing anartaxius of harassing her not you, or maybe I am confused From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are a bit over the top in your reaction I think J, I don't think he's harassing you, but that would be in the mind of the receiver of the comments wouldn't it? Anartax certainly can't be accused of harassing TM'ers. He is pretty balanced in most of his posts actually. No. I'm not harassing anyone, I'm just calling them out on their hypocrisy. You can't expect to launch a sneering pile-on and not get other people objecting if they like the work of the poster. Me harassing TMers would also be silly as I am one. I do like analysing the cult of TM though, maybe that's what she means, but I never lose sleep over that as the TM movement claims to be scientific and science actually proceeds by criticism. If an idea is a bad explanation it won't stand up to scrutiny and should be discarded. Easy to forget that. And it is what this place is for. A healthy mind challenges its own assumptions etc... From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in. salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her dumb harassment of Xeno. How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters? Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if not very coherently. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone is really thinking and why.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mjackson74 can be moderator (A modest proposal)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Had to laugh - dunno how FFL could have 2 - I vote for going back to no moderator status for the group - still can't believe Rick caved into Buck's need to be some sort of controller. He didn't cave. Rick had been receiving numerous complaints about FFL and decided to find a moderator, even asking me if I was interested. I wasn't. He knew Doug had been interested in the job for a long time and they evidently came to an agreement that Doug would take this on. From: jason_green2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: mjackson74 can be moderator (A modest proposal) I think, mjackson74 should be made a moderator. He can be a good counter-balance to Buck. Is mjackson74 willing to be a moderator? --- s3raphita@... wrote : Re this new FFL regime where members are banned after posting offensive messages. There's a division between those, like me, to whom an insult on a topical website simply makes me shrug my shoulders - like water off a duck's back, to mix my metaphors; and those to whom FFL is a spiritual site and members should have a certain, minimum consideration of the feelings of those they disagree with. Here's the thing: there used to be a rule that those who posted too many messages over a period would be banned from the site for a week or whatever. Now that Buck has volunteered to be the site's censor why not allow him to ban someone who is offensive for a week at a time (not permanently)? That way anyone who persistently abused others would, as persistently, be banned from posting to the site. Would that not be a reasonable compromise? One difference from the rule when posters were ostracised for too many messages is that that sanction was automatically triggered when the counter indicated someone had got too fond of the sound of his own voice. Whether someone is offensive is clearly a subjective judgement. Buck has taken on the role - isn't he a true believer? So won't he come down hardest on those who take a more sceptical view of TM and MMY? But setting aside that issue - Buck is the one who volunteered to take on the role, and I wouldn't like the job! - wouldn't my modest proposal be an acceptable solution? --- salyavin808@... wrote : It depends on what you mean by offensive. I found Back for more really offensive for spending three days slagging off Xeno for having the temerity to post a series of logic and reasonable arguments against Buck's first putsch. I could have been all nicety-nice about it but what's the point? If someone is so pathologically clueless they spend days attacking someone in exactly the sort of way that they claim drove them away from FFL in the first place they are going to be too self-centred to notice any subtle inflexions that I could impart. Personally I think behaviour like that ought to be self-moderating in that if I was called on such rank hypocrisy I'd be too embarrassed to show my face here for a month. But here they are already commenting on this very post with another round of sneering, lying, goading and insulting. Some people are just too full of themselves. Go figure
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
I'm rushing a bit. Sorry about that. I can see your point about Richard and Barry. Yes, two different situations. Barry stated on many occasions that nothing would keep him from his mission to demonstrate that TM was a cult, and it's defenders, (except in his narrowly provided parameters) were cult apologists, and that he would not cease from this mission. Okay, so, I reacted to this, because I felt he went about this mission in a dishonest way, often distorting other people's intentions to make sure his point was always proved. Now, you may disagree with my take on it, but that was my motivation behind my communications with Barry. I'm not really apologizing for it, or feel I need to defend it. I see you interacting with Judy, one hundred times more than I do, and it leaves me, scratching my head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Lumping together R and Barry is not accurate Steve. R didn't get bounced for being a troll, he violated a much more serious rule, was banned for it once and then came back and did it again, and then continued it on the Peak. He was much more than a guy who starts arguments on the Internet. If anyone had bounced him for just being a troll I would have objected. I simply stopped reading the guy at all so I had no problem with him which is probably why he went the next step to get my attention, but that was on him. His malicious choice. I get it that you wanted Barry gone although I still don't get it since you communicated with him a hundred times more than I ever did. I would think you would miss his writing prompts. But nevertheless, the place can't run on this kind of subjective evaluation. Who can be trusted with that power over other adults? Buck? Maybe you should talk to Rick about this offline to see what I am seeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A nut-eating diet
On 06/25/2015 10:59 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : A seemingly notorious Amazonian fish has been discovered thousands of miles from home in a lake in the US. The pacu, an omnivorous fish which has previously made news for its apparent peccadillo for men’s testicles, was found earlier this week by father and son fishing team in Delran, a Philadelphia suburb, New Jersey. It's on its way to the UK it seems . . . How's to going to get here? /*Probably by hitching a ride with the side boob babes. */
[FairfieldLife] Humans TV Series
I got a sneak peek at it and I must say that it is about the best UK sci-fi drama I've seen since Utopia. It debuts this Sunday in the US on the AMC network. It stars Katherine Parkinson (The IT Crowd, An Honorable Woman) and US actor William Hurt. Also a familiar face from Utopia, Neil Maskell, is in the cast. It's a show about a topic we've been discussing for a while on FFL and that is technology overtaking humans, i.e. The Singularity. It's about a family who gets a synth (android) as a house member to take care of chores the working parents don't have much time for. https://youtu.be/6FJQpK6EVTk Once again the UK outshines the US in their television production. Probably for a couple reasons: smaller budgets (this was brought out in the extras on the Utopia BD) so no time for all that puffed up polishing that seems to smother both Hollywood and Canadian productions. And number two: perhaps these series aren't done by blue bloods but by people with actual creative talent. In Hollywood, it's not what you know but who you know that counts. I'm wondering if AMC is going to get the last laugh on HBO here. They're taking the UK Channel 4 production and showing it just a mere two weeks after it debuted in the UK. That's right, no US remake as we saw with The Killing or The Bridge. Oh but I would be remiss not to say Humans is a remake of the Swedish series Real Humans which for some reason I missed even though it ran on Netflix last year. Speaking of the HBO remake of Utopia here's a news item about Fincher's production... slowly making its way to HBO. I hope Fincher doesn't smother what was a perfectly fine series originally. Also I feel that every year that this production delays the immediacy of the message of Utopia gets lost. http://screenrant.com/utopia-hbo-rooney-mara/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of what is going on here. Steve:Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Me: Steve you trolled him right back. And it didn't affect me either way because it was both of your choices to interact that way and I never had to read or be a part of it. That is what freedom is all about. I appreciate your extending the discussion. I am making my case and some buy it and some don't. But I always appreciate your friendly tone with me and respect that you are expressing your POV about a complex topic. I am pro discussion and anti banning without discussion. So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. I am keeping my eye on that gap because I believe it is important to the usefulness of the place for me to post on. I never want to have to think before I hit send:What would Buck think of this post? Steve:Who knows, maybe Barry will be a part of it, at some point. Me: If Rick decides to intervene I believe that will be the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Who knows, maybe Barry will be a part of it, at some point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
Are you kidding? It fucks everything up! There are a gazillion sites covering
both the pros and cons, but from what I have read wherever they have fracked,
the water winds up getting polluted with all the chemicals they use to frack
with - the energy companies always use 2 excuses one of which is to NEVER
release publicly the entire list of chemicals used in fracking, that way they
don't have to admit it came from them, and then they say You don't know that
these chemicals weren't there to start with before we ever came along.
But I thought Scotland and Wales had banned the practice?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep
underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these
shores.
What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it
make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of
drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country
roads?
Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling?
Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides
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decide... Final amendments to infrastructure bill unpick earlier protections,
meaning companies just outside parks will be able to drill horizontally below
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ahhhh, just a note .....
I love the stories of the quiet monk who doesn't do anything and leaves the town better. But I just don't have any real life proof of that. I initiated 3% of Napa, California. Crime rates stayed the same. I think the concept of enlivening the unified field is fraught with logical error. The Absolute has not the least taint of instrumentality -- no ego allowed, no individuality having causality. On the other hand, go to a party, sit down and close your eyes and see how long it takes for someone at the party to poke at ya with a smirk. Silence does matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just for purposes of discussion, (if you are so inclined), (or anyone else), do you buy into the idea that there are individuals, known, or unknown who by their spiritual development, help keep the world on track. Maybe they are active, maybe they are silent, but they have this effect, even globally. Sure things are messed up. I am guessing things have always have been messed up, and likely will remain that way, because that is the earthly experience, as I see it. But, I can't help but think that there are oasises in the form of human nervous systems who have this effect. Any thoughts? Do you notice anything in your own life? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still do manual trikking, and manual Skkiing (Trikke with snow blades) and then electrified. When I come back from even a 20 minute electric ride -- I can be breathing hard or hardly at allmy choice. Usually I come home in a sweat. Losing weight? Not so much cuz anyone can out-eat their fitness regime. But yeah, if you do lower calories and add trikking or whatever gets ya worked up, then weight loss happensbut can shoot up a lot faster if discipline is even slightly less then consistent. Every Trikke has an appeal all its own. All very unique, and yet all a Trikke. Spent ten minutes in the drive last night on the very first Trikke model, and it was a gas. Of course my newest Trikke is but one of only two in the world -- custom -- goes 30+ mph. Feels like being a rodeo champ to cruise the town. The laws were written by the car and oil guys. Even the slowest electrics out there are illegal in Madison -- kiddy toys evenonly on private property. But there's tons of electrics out there and not being a bother or being bothered by the police. TV ads run like this: Electric bikes! Try them out on the city path next to our store. That's ILLEGAL. Four years these ad are running. See? Morally, I'm okay with not complying, but I try not to rub the cops the wrong way. I have ridden up to many and not had a mention of my beast. But on the electrics, yet still, yeah, if a cop's there, I really carve it up with the arms and legs to emphasize to everyone I'm on a fitness machinelike that. Local guy here got into two accidents with carsgot ticketed etcbut NOT for having a Trikke. See? Probably saved my life but not because it's an especially great fitness machine, but because FOR ONCE I found an exercise that OWNED ME. Thrills ten years later going strong. The machine seen below is mine...ridden by another trikker. Upgraded T30 Field Trials Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5PAoDoC4o0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Edg, question, as much to just have something to talk about as something I've thought to ask you. I recall you saying many years ago, that the Trikke saved your life, as it helped you to lose weight, pursue a hobby etc. But, now that it seems as thought it's been electrified, with you riding all around the city, (seemingly in violation of of city codes), does that not sort of defeat the purpose of the benefits the Trikke was to provide? Now, I understand tinkering, and where that leads, (especially you), but again, did we get away some, from the original purpose? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Although I'm posting more, because the two trolls are gone, I gotta mention that it seems almost everyone here is still dissin' on each other for various infractions. This includes my beloved sacred hero, Curtishee hee.not that he's wrong or illogical about Doug. Geeze you guys. Take a look at the power of dumping the trolls. You HAVE TO ADMIT that FFL has been refreshed with new vigor and dare I say hope? Man-O-Man there's notions being flung around like spitballs nowmuch more openness. This is good even if the openness is on the part of bad-guys-here-in-your-opinion. Now, think of how much MORE we could get this kind of rebirth IF ALL OF US REVENGE-WILL-BE-MINE FUCKS WOULD SHUT UP ABOUT THE PAST..even the recent past. I could for instance promise never to mention the trolls again. See
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others?
I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.Why do you have to steel yourself
against the barbs? Why not let them just pass by like the wind. They are not
going to knock you over.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far spam removed.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Meanwhile in Canada
While they have testicle-eating fish in the US, good old benign Canada manages to terrorize the world with this: http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/giant-goldfish-invading-alberta-ponds-1.2441740 http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/giant-goldfish-invading-alberta-ponds-1.2441740
[FairfieldLife] Freedom of Speech
'What is freedom of speech anyway? There is the joke told years ago by the Russian comedian Yacov Smirnoff. He was confronted by an American bragging about freedom of speech. Smirnoff retorted: Big deal! We also have freedom of speech in Russia. What we don’t have is freedom after speech.' Just thought our moderator would like to know the company he keeps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ahhhh, just a note .....
Just askin' No proof on this end either. But, I'm sayin' yes, they do have an effect. And, like you, I'm thinking there are some examples I can draw on from personal experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I love the stories of the quiet monk who doesn't do anything and leaves the town better. But I just don't have any real life proof of that. I initiated 3% of Napa, California. Crime rates stayed the same. I think the concept of enlivening the unified field is fraught with logical error. The Absolute has not the least taint of instrumentality -- no ego allowed, no individuality having causality. On the other hand, go to a party, sit down and close your eyes and see how long it takes for someone at the party to poke at ya with a smirk. Silence does matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just for purposes of discussion, (if you are so inclined), (or anyone else), do you buy into the idea that there are individuals, known, or unknown who by their spiritual development, help keep the world on track. Maybe they are active, maybe they are silent, but they have this effect, even globally. Sure things are messed up. I am guessing things have always have been messed up, and likely will remain that way, because that is the earthly experience, as I see it. But, I can't help but think that there are oasises in the form of human nervous systems who have this effect. Any thoughts? Do you notice anything in your own life? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still do manual trikking, and manual Skkiing (Trikke with snow blades) and then electrified. When I come back from even a 20 minute electric ride -- I can be breathing hard or hardly at allmy choice. Usually I come home in a sweat. Losing weight? Not so much cuz anyone can out-eat their fitness regime. But yeah, if you do lower calories and add trikking or whatever gets ya worked up, then weight loss happensbut can shoot up a lot faster if discipline is even slightly less then consistent. Every Trikke has an appeal all its own. All very unique, and yet all a Trikke. Spent ten minutes in the drive last night on the very first Trikke model, and it was a gas. Of course my newest Trikke is but one of only two in the world -- custom -- goes 30+ mph. Feels like being a rodeo champ to cruise the town. The laws were written by the car and oil guys. Even the slowest electrics out there are illegal in Madison -- kiddy toys evenonly on private property. But there's tons of electrics out there and not being a bother or being bothered by the police. TV ads run like this: Electric bikes! Try them out on the city path next to our store. That's ILLEGAL. Four years these ad are running. See? Morally, I'm okay with not complying, but I try not to rub the cops the wrong way. I have ridden up to many and not had a mention of my beast. But on the electrics, yet still, yeah, if a cop's there, I really carve it up with the arms and legs to emphasize to everyone I'm on a fitness machinelike that. Local guy here got into two accidents with carsgot ticketed etcbut NOT for having a Trikke. See? Probably saved my life but not because it's an especially great fitness machine, but because FOR ONCE I found an exercise that OWNED ME. Thrills ten years later going strong. The machine seen below is mine...ridden by another trikker. Upgraded T30 Field Trials Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5PAoDoC4o0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Edg, question, as much to just have something to talk about as something I've thought to ask you. I recall you saying many years ago, that the Trikke saved your life, as it helped you to lose weight, pursue a hobby etc. But, now that it seems as thought it's been electrified, with you riding all around the city, (seemingly in violation of of city codes), does that not sort of defeat the purpose of the benefits the Trikke was to provide? Now, I understand tinkering, and where that leads, (especially you), but again, did we get away some, from the original purpose? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Although I'm posting more, because the two trolls are gone, I gotta mention that it seems almost everyone here is still dissin' on each other for various infractions. This includes my beloved sacred hero, Curtishee hee.not that he's wrong or illogical about Doug. Geeze you guys. Take a look at the power of dumping the trolls. You HAVE TO ADMIT that FFL has been refreshed with new vigor and dare I say hope? Man-O-Man there's notions being flung around like spitballs nowmuch more openness. This is good even if the openness is on the part
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
You might be right, he didn't even ban me for reviling D Lynch lately - of
course one can never be sure, because he sometimes has a delayed reaction to
these things - I think he is mainly loving being the power that can ban if he
chooses.
I have not really shown my contempt for TM, TMSP and the laughable idea of the
Marshy Effect lately, but I'm workin' one up - we'll see how he responds to
that.
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others?
I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far spam removed.
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[FairfieldLife] Marriage Equality
So, are the Cons gonna now ask the Pope to speak out against marriage equality after they asked him to shut up about global warming? Can't wait for 2016. GOP: Party of Hate, Ignorance, Bigotry and Death.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? Heh. Me so bad. So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. As I said, I think the Sword of Damocles is held by a chain not a thread .for now. Doug could go kablooy, yep. Just not soon-ish I'm intuiting. Living with a bully ain't so bad if he's not jammin' ya for yer lunch money. And seriously, if Doug dumped you, I would quit here immediately, but I don't think he's that reckless even though dumping Turq was a major decision. Maybe he's just laying low until we all get comfy, and then WAMMO he lowers the boom. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. Isn't the A of E news already posted here by a couple TBers? No harm. If a newbie wanders in here, anything positive about TM is nicely balanced. I've been smarming to Doug's face a couple times already and .bupkis back from him.more bark and bite. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Yeah. It's classic TMO shit. Yep. But YOUR MIND IS YOURS.they can't trigger yer emotions if'n ya don't wants. To let them have that power is YOUR choice. 3 million kids die this year from drinking ditch waterand all that. Willy's a saint compared to the monsters who are starving the world. Perspective! Doug's just a anachronistic blip. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Lying is bad. Yes. Murdering the world it isn't. Rick don't care 'bout us..if he was lied to, it's his karma to ravel later at the Pearly Gates. Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Hmmm, not sure that ever happened and I was smart enough to pick up on it at the time, but HELL YEAH that's what they do. But you and I are here to smack Lil' Dougy around if he gets crabbier. Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Yep. He's a pisser. Now, I ask you to turn the cheek. Let's see him dare to do this shit again. He's taking some serious impacts right now and yet still, he's NOT over-reacting. And get this, as time passes, WE get to put pressure on FFL to tilt to sanity -- Doug ain't got a chance of winning this. Breathe! Edg, do ya hear me! More than you know, Bro. If anything, all I can do is excuse myself is say, I'm still giddy with all the new-found freedom here. But, too, yes, I do sincerely get it that you and Turq had a robust and decent relationship here at FFL that often served our needs. Sorry for your loss. Hey, ask Turq to tell you where else he's posting about spiritual stuff -- maybe you guys can tag team there! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
Lumping together R and Barry is not accurate Steve. R didn't get bounced for being a troll, he violated a much more serious rule, was banned for it once and then came back and did it again, and then continued it on the Peak. He was much more than a guy who starts arguments on the Internet. If anyone had bounced him for just being a troll I would have objected. I simply stopped reading the guy at all so I had no problem with him which is probably why he went the next step to get my attention, but that was on him. His malicious choice. I get it that you wanted Barry gone although I still don't get it since you communicated with him a hundred times more than I ever did. I would think you would miss his writing prompts. But nevertheless, the place can't run on this kind of subjective evaluation. Who can be trusted with that power over other adults? Buck? Maybe you should talk to Rick about this offline to see what I am seeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom of Speech
except all we have so far is speculations on your part about what could happen,or perhaps, what you are praying will happen, but shows no sign of happening. Am I Making Myself Clear? Get Your Point Across Whenever You Communicate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQmHxjc0GA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQmHxjc0GA Am I Making Myself Clear? Get Your Point Across Wh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQmHxjc0GA Am I Making Myself Clear? Get Your Point Across Whenever You Communicate With the advice presented in this multi-media product, you will lear... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQmHxjc0GA Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : 'What is freedom of speech anyway? There is the joke told years ago by the Russian comedian Yacov Smirnoff. He was confronted by an American bragging about freedom of speech. Smirnoff retorted: Big deal! We also have freedom of speech in Russia. What we don’t have is freedom after speech.' Just thought our moderator would like to know the company he keeps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
What is commonly known in the trade as a Death Spiral. That was FFL. Now, have you considered changing your posting content, as I was advised to do on so many occasions? Sorta funny isn't it. (-: http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads... http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg View on www.pulpdiddyspermu... http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
authfriend Wed, 02 May 2007 11:05:28 -0700: There are 35 posts on FFL going back to May 2006 that use your real name. You were a prominent figure in the U.S. movement; several people on this forum knew you personally, and many more knew *of* you. Your real name is known here not because of any great openness on your part, but because it was already known. I wasn't disclosing anything except your double standards. http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg91001.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg91001.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Lumping together R and Barry is not accurate Steve. R didn't get bounced for being a troll, he violated a much more serious rule, was banned for it once and then came back and did it again, and then continued it on the Peak. He was much more than a guy who starts arguments on the Internet. If anyone had bounced him for just being a troll I would have objected. I simply stopped reading the guy at all so I had no problem with him which is probably why he went the next step to get my attention, but that was on him. His malicious choice. I get it that you wanted Barry gone although I still don't get it since you communicated with him a hundred times more than I ever did. I would think you would miss his writing prompts. But nevertheless, the place can't run on this kind of subjective evaluation. Who can be trusted with that power over other adults? Buck? Maybe you should talk to Rick about this offline to see what I am seeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?
In the experience of Pennsylvania, natural gas prices fall and jobs are created both directly in the gas industry and indirectly as regional and national economies benefit from lower energy costs. Europe can benefit from lessons learned in Pennsylvania, minimizing damage to the local environment. The Facts on Fracking http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/opinion/global/the-facts-on-fracking.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/opinion/global/the-facts-on-fracking.html?_r=0 The Facts on Fracking http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/opinion/global/the-facts-on-fracking.html?_r=0 Environmentalists should consider the pros and cons of fracking in comparison with other technologies. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/opinion/global/the-facts-on-fracking.html?_r=0 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these shores. What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country roads? Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling? Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decide... http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks Final amendments to infrastructure bill unpick earlier protections, meaning companies just outside parks will be able to drill horizontally below them View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of what is going on here. Steve:Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Me: Steve you trolled him right back. And it didn't affect me either way because it was both of your choices to interact that way and I never had to read or be a part of it. That is what freedom is all about. I appreciate your extending the discussion. I am making my case and some buy it and some don't. But I always appreciate your friendly tone with me and respect that you are expressing your POV about a complex topic. I am pro discussion and anti banning without discussion. So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. I am keeping my eye on that gap because I believe it is important to the usefulness of the place for me to post on. I never want to have to think before I hit send:What would Buck think of this post? Steve:Who knows, maybe Barry will be a part of it, at some point. Me: If Rick decides to intervene I believe that will be the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marriage Equality
The Pope has nothing to do with the US Constitution. But they will more likely push for a more conservative Justice when an opening occurs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, are the Cons gonna now ask the Pope to speak out against marriage equality after they asked him to shut up about global warming? Can't wait for 2016. GOP: Party of Hate, Ignorance, Bigotry and Death.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Judy said: (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.) Um, that's exactly the kind of trollery that the dearly departed perfected. YOU'RE NOT A PSYCHIATRIST. Posts at FFL are never enough to decide on someone's integrity. Face it, Judy, you're still smacking back, instead of turning a cheek. Are you really that victimized by anything anyone says here? If you won this argument, if everyone but Curtis backed you up, even then, I don't see you getting happier, but merely going on to the next issue with the same 'tude. Is that a fair assumption on my part? Or have I just trolled you? After all these years, with this new-life spurt here, why not give it a rest? You're much bigger than these tiny shit barbs. Of course, I've made it harder to suck it up, because I'm not a pal, and here am I giving therapeutic advice, but it is what it is. Heh, some of my most commonly recurring truth-concepts have been taught to me by my enemies.I'm talking serious fucking enemies who left still deeply red scars on my soulso I have to bat away thoughts about them when I dwell with the truths they taught. It just so sucks, eh? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Ya hear that, Doug. Run the fu*k with this. This is how a lot of us feel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that.
You are full of it Judy - show us the post where Doug gave the explanation.
From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 12:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
(snip)
So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are
making up their own to cover this glaring gap.
Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that.
When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore
Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him
bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap.
And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance.
Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll
get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up
that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment
over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows
you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. Me: You are saying you know why he got bounced, I am saying I don't. I am not making up anything by pointing out that we have been not been given a reason. You already agreed to this point did you forget? Judy:When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Me: And you might just be right. If that was the reason I would object to it. But we haven't been given the exact reason you are guessing. Judy:Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. Me: Yeah we have some real gems to discuss, I have not forgotten I am just prolonging the pleasure. Judy: In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.) Me: Overlooking the gratuitous personal shots you are taking at me, I looked for the post and only saw a video response and an attaboy agreement with a post. If it is a reason that stands on its own why don't you repeat it. You are trying to Judy me here, focusing on an insignificant detail that is really just an opinion about an inconsequential detail. I got this impression from Buck's months long campaign here and from communicating with Rick. And perhaps Rick doesn't feel as if he was dogged into this. OK, who cares? If Rick says that isn't how it went down OK, that is his view of it and I would accept that. But as Buck's rotted master used to say: the elephant has two sets of teeth, one for show and one for eating. I wouldn't get too carried away on this extraneous point if I were you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Are you kidding? It fucks everything up! There are a gazillion sites covering both the pros and cons, but from what I have read wherever they have fracked, the water winds up getting polluted with all the chemicals they use to frack with - the energy companies always use 2 excuses one of which is to NEVER release publicly the entire list of chemicals used in fracking, that way they don't have to admit it came from them, and then they say You don't know that these chemicals weren't there to start with before we ever came along. But I thought Scotland and Wales had banned the practice? hmm, not sure if they are allowed to ban things. I'm basically against it but can't see what else they can do as we weren't interested in alternative energy sources. No one likes wind farms and our so-called greenest government ever has removed the subsidy for them so the market will collapse. If we want to keep the lights on it's going to be fracking or nothing. The trouble with the UK is it's much smaller and more densely populated than the USA which is why I asked if anyone had had any personal experience. If it's bad for people there, any problems will be compounded here. The chemicals they use are a worry but our government says they won't be allowed to do pump shit into the ground without telling us what it is. This I do not believe as the new TTIP agreement will allow foreign companies to sue us if we damage their business practises. I'll put good money on them getting away with it too. I'm a natural energy believer. We live on an island with predictable and strong tides every day and no one has invested in wave power. It's insane. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack? So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these shores. What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country roads? Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling? Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decide... http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks Final amendments to infrastructure bill unpick earlier protections, meaning companies just outside parks will be able to drill horizontally below them View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/12/fracking-will-be-allowed-under-national-parks Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Barry had a particularly vicious brand of mean and degrading hostility as a central aspect of his character here. The majority here know this; a few are blind. Oh well...there are other virtual worlds that he can enter and spew his brand of vitriol on, should he so desire. The beautiful thing about the present, is that it is always so. Let him remain presently gone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Well... it's already out there, so to speak. Many baby daddies with multiple
baby mommas. I know, I watch Maury Povich... some times... but only when Judge
Judy goes to commercial.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy
could be legalized soon. What do you think?
Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story
on a Throuple
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Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
Busted! Fracking Chemical Found in Wyoming Water Supply
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released test results indicating that at least one common fracking chemical has
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Are you kidding? It fucks everything up! There are a gazillion sites covering
both the pros and cons, but from what I have read wherever they have fracked,
the water winds up getting polluted with all the chemicals they use to frack
with - the energy companies always use 2 excuses one of which is to NEVER
release publicly the entire list of chemicals used in fracking, that way they
don't have to admit it came from them, and then they say You don't know that
these chemicals weren't there to start with before we ever came along.
But I thought Scotland and Wales had banned the practice?
hmm, not sure if they are allowed to ban things.
I'm basically against it but can't see what else they can do as we weren't
interested in alternative energy sources. No one likes wind farms and our
so-called greenest government ever has removed the subsidy for them so the
market will collapse. If we want to keep the lights on it's going to be
fracking or nothing.
The trouble with the UK is it's much smaller and more densely populated than
the USA which is why I asked if anyone had had any personal experience. If it's
bad for people there, any problems will be compounded here.
The chemicals they use are a worry but our government says they won't be
allowed to do pump shit into the ground without telling us what it is. This I
do not believe as the new TTIP agreement will allow foreign companies to sue us
if we damage their business practises. I'll put good money on them getting away
with it too.
I'm a natural energy believer. We live on an island with predictable and strong
tides every day and no one has invested in wave power. It's insane.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep
underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these
shores.
What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it
make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of
drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country
roads?
Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling?
Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of what is going on here. Steve:Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Me: Steve you trolled him right back. And it didn't affect me either way because it was both of your choices to interact that way and I never had to read or be a part of it. That is what freedom is all about. I appreciate your extending the discussion. I am making my case and some buy it and some don't. But I always appreciate your friendly tone with me and respect that you are expressing your POV about a complex topic. I am pro
[FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy could be legalized soon. What do you think? Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story on a Throuple http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues,... http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork In his unexpectedly fiery dissent in Friday's marriage equality decision, Chief Justice John Roberts argues that the ruling may clear the way for a constituti... View on www.slate.com http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
John, I think the Chief Justice is trying to scare people, people who were once
scared by the prospect of gay marriage. I also think that he's a pathetic
excuse for a judge, chief or otherwise.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy
could be legalized soon. What do you think?
Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
I didn't see that episode. It sounds like Doug would ban that show in this forum. As you well know, Pastor Barry tried chatting about babies in the past and caused an uproar and dissension among the members. However, I only watch sports on TV these days. When football season arrives, I'll be watching the 49ers who may not be performing well because of its coaching and player turmoil during the offseason. If that happens, the current head coach would be fired too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Well... it's already out there, so to speak. Many baby daddies with multiple baby mommas. I know, I watch Maury Povich... some times... but only when Judge Judy goes to commercial. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized? Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy could be legalized soon. What do you think? Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story on a Throuple http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues,... http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork In his unexpectedly fiery dissent in Friday's marriage equality decision, Chief Justice John Roberts argues that the ruling may clear the way for a constituti... View on www.slate.com http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Hey Share, You haven't been posting much these days. With Pastor Barry gone, you can count your blessings. Perhaps, we can have the other Peak members to come back and post once again. Nonetheless, IMO some of the Mormons in southern Utah would probably challenge the courts for their right to have multiple wives. Having many wives would probably help here in SF since homes are expensive. They can help pay for the mortgage. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I think the Chief Justice is trying to scare people, people who were once scared by the prospect of gay marriage. I also think that he's a pathetic excuse for a judge, chief or otherwise. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized? Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy could be legalized soon. What do you think? Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story on a Throuple http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues,... http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork In his unexpectedly fiery dissent in Friday's marriage equality decision, Chief Justice John Roberts argues that the ruling may clear the way for a constituti... View on www.slate.com http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Nope, not gonna let you keep promoting this canard. I didn't invent any reasons to cover a vague explanation. It was the first thing that occurred to me when I saw Barry's post: He's going to get bounced for this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?
In the experience of Pennsylvania, natural gas prices fall and jobs are
created both directly in the gas industry and indirectly as regional and
national economies benefit from lower energy costs. Europe can benefit from
lessons learned in Pennsylvania, minimizing damage to the local environment.
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So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep
underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these
shores.
What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it
make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of
drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country
roads?
Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
That's because Barry is an interesting person and an asset to FFL. None of us are blind to his sometimes vituperative behavior, but some of us felt I think that his benefits outweighed his negatives. I for one want him back. From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You're a little confused. See my third paragraph below. All three of 'em are doing it. (I'm not talking about *sexual* harassment, BTW, just continued annoying dumb attacks, typically gratuitous.) Me: There are no attacks and no one was being harassed. Those are inappropriately dramatic terms for me communicating with you here about a topic we disagreed with each other on. Is your memory going too? You called me dishonest (and then denied you had done so, apparently not realizing I'd quote you doing so). That was an empty, false accusation, and you knew it. Ergo, harassment. Me2: Yes it is true that I forgot I had made my suspicions explicit. With your latest stunt this view has been vindicated. In your dreams, toots. (We will get to that post later, it must be savored on the palette like a very old port.) And it finally led you to at least say some of the right things about this mess which was my goal. I'd already said those things, Curtis. That you don't read (or don't remember) my posts doesn't make me dishonest. And the whole thing was accomplished with mostly cordial exchanges. None of that was cordial. You don't get to have a cordial exchange when you start off by falsely accusing somebody of being dishonest. Not without a retraction and apology. Me2: How about a reaffirmation that the charge was valid? Of dishonesty? Are you drunk-posting? You took one quote out of context and hyper-focused on it, demonstrating one of your biggest and most consistent cognitive errors. Then you threw in a little fallacious slippery slope argument to prove that it as in intentional deception. Want to try that last line again? Your syntax has gotten rather shaky. In any case, it wasn't a deception, intentional or otherwise. Cordial is relative to the poster. For you, that was cordial. Except for your inappropriate drama queenery, but that is part of the package and I accept that. And what characterizes your many posts to and about Doug? Drama kingery? Or is it only appropriate when you do it? Me2: Judy isn't often intentionally funny so let's give her a little credit her. My charges are specific and have not been labeled as more than they are. Judy in a previous post: As I've said, I object to Doug's attempt to moderate the David Lynch post. I object to his not revealing why he bounced Barry. Me: Thanks for making that clear, you have redeemed yourself a bit. I had already made that clear in other posts, as I told you. Judy: I can't object to his bouncing Barry without knowing why he did it. Me: Agreed, a reasonable reaction. Judy:If he did it because Barry openly defied him, I support it. I'm not into anarchy. Me: This is where we disagree. You are invoking the fallacy of he slippery slope and it does not fly. Barry objected to a person in charge who is capable of doing exactly what he did. And how could you believe he was going to actually ignore someone after he has told you that one thousand times while continuing to read and respond to some of your posts. Why you somehow believe he was serious here suddenly is a byproduct of your Barry bias. Oh, I see, that's the excuse now, Barry was JUST KIDDING. Ha ha ha. Jeez, how can you look at yourself in the mirror? I wasn't authorized to bounce him, or I'd have done it long since. So he couldn't have been just kidding when he said he'd never read or respond to my posts. Rather, he was LYING. Me2: Well if you take it as a lie then Buck's actions are unjustified just the same. No, I don't think he was either lying or kidding. Barry has very serious problems with self-control, and they've been getting worse and worse. I didn't say he was just kidding, he was blowing off steam at a moderator gone rogue and he realized he was getting unfairly set up for exactly what happened. Barry went nuclear over what you have called a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. There was no gone rogue about it. Doug stumbled out of the gate, and Barry decided he was going to shoot him right there on the track. Fortunately Doug took his gun away before he could do any damage (except to himself). Now you and the rest of Barry's Boys are making up elaborate stories about all the terrible things Doug has (not yet) done. It's just a big farce, Curtis. Except it's not funny, it's pathetic. The section below is my new favorite exchange with Judy of ALL TIME. Its perfection must be swirled in my mouth, first noticing the oaky notes in the back of my olfactory chamber,then each part of my tongue will be attended to in sequence from the back to the front and finally taken as a whole
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. So it's free speech for all but for a limited time only and if some people don't like you they can end it by catching you out on a trumped up technicality? Gotcha. Goebbels would have loved you. Hey I just proved the cliche that if any argument on the internet goes on long enough someone will get compared to the Nazis. Cool! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. Me: You are saying you know why he got bounced, I am saying I don't. I am not making up anything by pointing out that we have been not been given a reason. You already agreed to this point did you forget? Nobody is making up their own [story] to cover this glaring gap. As I went on to say: Judy:When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Me: And you might just be right. If that was the reason I would object to it. But we haven't been given the exact reason you are guessing. Right. But I didn't make up that reason to cover the gap, because I didn't *know* about the gap at the point at which I first figured the post was going to get Barry bounced. Do I need to explain this a few more times before you get it? It's not that complicated. Judy:Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. Me: Yeah we have some real gems to discuss, I have not forgotten I am just prolonging the pleasure. Judy: In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.) Me: Overlooking the gratuitous personal shots you are taking at me, I looked for the post and only saw a video response and an attaboy agreement with a post. If it is a reason that stands on its own why don't you repeat it. Naah. I'm just going to let you keep looking while twisting slowly, slowly in the wind. Those are not, of course, the posts I was referring to. You'll know it when you find it. You are trying to Judy me here, focusing on an insignificant detail that is really just an opinion about an inconsequential detail. Sometimes details can invalidate a point. It's good that you're starting to walk back your original accusation against Doug. As you do, though, be careful that you don't slip on all the pearls scattered about the floor or trip over the fainting couches. I got this impression from Buck's months long campaign here and from communicating with Rick. And perhaps Rick doesn't feel as if he was dogged into this. OK, who cares? If Rick says that isn't how it went down OK, that is his view of it and I would accept that. But as Buck's rotted master used to say: the elephant has two sets of teeth, one for show and one for eating. I wouldn't get too carried away on this extraneous point if I were you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
This was my response to So some are making up their own... NOT So far Doug has stonewalled us... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. You are full of it Judy - show us the post where Doug gave the explanation. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 12:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
[FairfieldLife] In the beginning.....almost
Science homes in on the origin of life. That will be one heck of a mystery to have solved. Just think, you and everything you are and the way you think and see and feel started out in a hot bath of chemicals four and a half billion years ago. Quite a journey for the first few strands of life. I wonder if there was any way of knowing how amazing it would become from the first replicating compounds? Or what it could have been instead? Origin-of-Life Story May Have Found Its Missing Link http://www.livescience.com/51106-origin-of-life-chemistry-found.html http://www.livescience.com/51106-origin-of-life-chemistry-found.html Origin-of-Life Story May Have Found Its Missing Link http://www.livescience.com/51106-origin-of-life-chemistry-found.html It's been one of modern biology's greatest mysteries: How did the chemical soup that existed on the early Earth lead to the complex molecules needed to crea... View on www.livescience.com http://www.livescience.com/51106-origin-of-life-chemistry-found.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Hi John,
You ain't seen nothing yet. If polygamy is universally legalized, could
polyandry be far behind? (-:
Turq made some very negative contributions. And he made some positive
contributions too. Same could be said for most everyone here.
I often enjoyed the contributions of Richard and Ravi. And yet I think they
were booted for valid reasons.
I read the extreme contributions of someone like Edg and it helps me
understand why Turq was booted. It has to do with tone, which is quite tricky
to articulate. Making an attempt, I'll say that I often feel a lightness in
Edg's writing which I seldom felt in Turq's. And that could just be my lack of
perceptual fullness.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Hey Share,
You haven't been posting much these days. With Pastor Barry gone, you can
count your blessings. Perhaps, we can have the other Peak members to come back
and post once again.
Nonetheless, IMO some of the Mormons in southern Utah would probably challenge
the courts for their right to have multiple wives. Having many wives would
probably help here in SF since homes are expensive. They can help pay for the
mortgage.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, I think the Chief Justice is trying to scare people, people who were once
scared by the prospect of gay marriage. I also think that he's a pathetic
excuse for a judge, chief or otherwise.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy could
be legalized soon. What do you think?
Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?
It's funny this discussion comes up this week since I just finished watching 3 documentaries on the subject. I saw GASLANDS for free on Amazon Prime. I got the sequel, GASLAND 2 from my public library. That's the anti-fracking side of the issue. I, then watched FRACKNATION for free on Netflix streaming. All 3 films go to extremes in the making of their arguments. What cracked up having a filmmaking background is how the colorist on both films adjusted the hues and tints and timing of their video output to make their points. GASLAND goes for a muted and desaturated palette since their are hitting the audience over the head about the horrors. FRACKNATION is like a Disney Infomercial with everything bright, colorful, cheery with no blown out detail, lots of pretty lighting effects especially on the interview sections, and nature's colors at their height. In other words, fracking can't be bad because everything is pretty. However, FRACKNATION is an incredible sandbag job of Koch Brothers, et al, propaganda by a very no objective journalist and apologist for the energy and mineral industries. His faux sincerity and objectivity is rank. My favorite line is when he interviews the Texas Environmental Analyst who was checking for toxicity in Dish, TX, said that once they determind the air and water quality was fine, we then took blood test. WTF!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : The other part of Ann's post was that Rick told her he had been bombarded with complaints (presumably from more than one person) about the unpleasantness on FFL. Me: I wonder who these complaints were directed toward? Probably not TM supporters. (And I wasn't here, remember, if that's what you're so very charmingly but erroneously insinuating.) Judy: Curtis, I wouldn't have made a big issue of this if it weren't for the fact that you assert this made-up story in virtually every post you've made about Doug. Obviously you thought it was important, so don't accuse me of using it as a distraction. Doug wasn't the one to convince Rick a moderator was needed, and he was Rick's choice of moderator only faute de mieux. It's Doug's lobbying that is, in fact, the distraction from the real issue. Me: It is not a made-up story. He was lobbying for moderation or for shutting down the site for months. Yes, that isn't in dispute. If you don't think he was one of those people bombarding Rick, you would be wrong. Nor is this in dispute. Neither of those are the made-up story I'm talking about, as I think you're aware. Remember I communicate with Rick. Yes, I seem to recall another such claim from you about a different party a few years back. Given the facts of that situation, you'll have to forgive me if I need to see the documents in question before I'll give your claims much credibility. Judy: I note also that you can't bring yourself to concede your errors graciously. You just had to take a swipe at Ann. (See red highlight below.) Me: First of all it is an error only in your own mind, not mine. He put a lot of pressure for Rick to get a moderator and was not Rick's first choice for good reason as we have seen. Your hyper focus on irrelevant details does not change Buck's constant lobbying for control and its immediate aftermath. To me, the lobbying is the irrelevant detail. As far as that being a swipe at Ann implying that she hates Barry's guts and in a position of control would have used it on him, take it as you like. I was just stating an obvious fact of what more probably would have gone down. Um, obvious facts and probabilities are two different things. Your writing is getting almost as sloppy as Barry's. If it makes you feel better I would have said that about you too in that position. Of course, because we TM supporters lack a sense of fairness and integrity, right? Judy: It's interesting that--unless somebody comes out of the woodwork--Rick didn't ask any of Barry's Boys if they wanted to be moderator. Me: You don't know who has and who has not been asked anything by Rick Think that may be why I said unless somebody comes out of the woodwork? except that he asked Ann and Buck. After reading all of this I must say that I don't think anyone's stance for or agin TM has anything to do with anything here. If I had taken the moderator job it certainly wouldn't have been any deal for me, big or otherwise, what people believe or don't believe about TM and the Movement. It is all about intention, posted falsehoods knowingly proliferated, purposeful and uncontrolled trolling in order to create a sort of chaos and sometimes violent atmosphere that I would have taken exception to as a moderator. Forums are for discussion and exchange, for creating a space where individuals can speak without getting their heads bitten off and their words twisted and when any impediment to that continuously rears its ugly head in the face of earnest posters just trying to understand something or to learn something or to open up about a personal experience then the moderator has a responsibility to control things. OF COURSE not everyone will agree on what constitutes violence or bullying or trolling and when you get the subjectivity of those who might be fond of a certain poster, whoever it might be, and that poster is canned then OF COURSE those people will moan about it - and maybe they should, I guess it is a sort of loyalty being shown to someone they value as a contributor to the forum. But, as with most scenarios where there is a group of people, there needs to be guidelines and rules and the poor shmuck who takes on the job of enforcing the stated guidelines of (in this case Yahoo) then this will prove difficult. Maybe that is why Rick didn't really want to deal with it on the level that became necessary when this place became a free for all. Free is a nice word until it turns into mayhem and a situation where a lack of personal self control by certain individuals is not adequate to ensure the freedoms of others in their vicinity. Now please rise, the sermon is over and we've got The Lord's Prayer to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's funny this discussion comes up this week since I just finished watching 3 documentaries on the subject. I saw GASLANDS for free on Amazon Prime. I got the sequel, GASLAND 2 from my public library. That's the anti-fracking side of the issue. I, then watched FRACKNATION for free on Netflix streaming. All 3 films go to extremes in the making of their arguments. What cracked up having a filmmaking background is how the colorist on both films adjusted the hues and tints and timing of their video output to make their points. GASLAND goes for a muted and desaturated palette since their are hitting the audience over the head about the horrors. FRACKNATION is like a Disney Infomercial with everything bright, colorful, cheery with no blown out detail, lots of pretty lighting effects especially on the interview sections, and nature's colors at their height. In other words, fracking can't be bad because everything is pretty. However, FRACKNATION is an incredible sandbag job of Koch Brothers, et al, propaganda by a very no objective journalist and apologist for the energy and mineral industries. His faux sincerity and objectivity is rank. My favorite line is when he interviews the Texas Environmental Analyst who was checking for toxicity in Dish, TX, said that once they determind the air and water quality was fine, we then took blood test. WTF! If you want to know about fracking talk to the Albertans. Fracking ‘almost completely unregulated’ in Alberta, NDP charges http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/fracking-almost-completely-unregulated-in-alberta-ndp-charges/article16694749/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/fracking-almost-completely-unregulated-in-alberta-ndp-charges/article16694749/ Fracking ‘almost completely unregulated’ in Alberta, NDP... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/fracking-almost-completely-unregulated-in-alberta-ndp-charges/article16694749/ NDP Leader Brian Mason presented information Tuesday provided under freedom-of-information laws that shows the number of hydraulic fracturing lice... View on www.theglobeandmail... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/fracking-almost-completely-unregulated-in-alberta-ndp-charges/article16694749/ Preview by Yahoo A Fracking Disaster - Alberta Surface Rights Group http://www.albertasurfacerights.com/articles/?id=498 A Fracking Disaster - Alberta Surface Rights Group http://www.albertasurfacerights.com/articles/?id=498 How hydraulic fracking works. Image courtesy Tree Hugger. Huge Gas Plant Approved Despite Emissions Spike It will boost BC's carbon output three per cent, but cap-and-trade can offset, says Premier. View on www.albertasurfacerights.com http://www.albertasurfacerights.com/articles/?id=498 Preview by Yahoo And it goes on and on and on...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
You are remarkable, Curtis, truly. I am not at a point like this, but it has at this moment provided me with a real aha moment. Me: Because I love Judy. She has done more for my writing than anyone I can think of. There were times when she got me more wound up than I like to be, but that is a power I respect and use for my own goals here. If there was no Judy here, there would never be the level of participation I have engaged in, and it has benefited me in more ways than I can count. Nice extension of our rap, thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Lumping together R and Barry is not accurate Steve. R didn't get bounced for being a troll, he violated a much more serious rule, was banned for it once and then came back and did it again, and then continued it on the Peak. He was much more than a guy who starts arguments on the Internet. If anyone had bounced him for just being a troll I would have objected. I simply stopped reading the guy at all so I had no problem with him which is probably why he went the next step to get my attention, but that was on him. His malicious choice. I get it that you wanted Barry gone although I still don't get it since you communicated with him a hundred times more than I ever did. I would think you would miss his writing prompts. But nevertheless, the place can't run on this kind of subjective evaluation. Who can be trusted with that power over other adults? Buck? Maybe you should talk to Rick about this offline to see what I am seeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Curtis, I can't say we're there yet, but you are approaching what may described as the new FFL. The trolls are gone, and expression, without troll stomping, or troll baiting is indeed, a beautiful thing. http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-... http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg View on covers.booktopia.com.au http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9780747584735/trolls-go-home.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
My perspective has changed some Curtis, but I'm still holding true, (joke, to you, I guess), to my assertion that I'm glad B is gone, and I'm okay with the pretext. I'd like to see how this place rolls without him. So, yes, Curtis, (and Rick, if you're listening), sometimes the ends do justify the means. Sometimes the exception to the rule, works, (wonders). And if you take a look at your site, Rick, you'll see the place as lightened up some, in spite of this latest dust up. Let it play out, Rick. Listen the input from the women. That, by itself, should tell you something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Yea, cool, and a little funny, but free speech which is perceived by many as troll baiting, and which has had a demonstrable effect of driving away people, is worth an experiment to see how interaction proceeds without that. You got game? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. So it's free speech for all but for a limited time only and if some people don't like you they can end it by catching you out on a trumped up technicality? Gotcha. Goebbels would have loved you. Hey I just proved the cliche that if any argument on the internet goes on long enough someone will get compared to the Nazis. Cool! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
I believe it is called, tough love directed at oneself. works wonders if applied daily under self supervised direction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I read the extreme contributions of someone like Edg and it helps me understand why Turq was booted. It has to do with tone, which is quite tricky to articulate. Making an attempt, I'll say that I often feel a lightness in Edg's writing which I seldom felt in Turq's. And that could just be my lack of perceptual fullness. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized? Hey Share, You haven't been posting much these days. With Pastor Barry gone, you can count your blessings. Perhaps, we can have the other Peak members to come back and post once again. Nonetheless, IMO some of the Mormons in southern Utah would probably challenge the courts for their right to have multiple wives. Having many wives would probably help here in SF since homes are expensive. They can help pay for the mortgage. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I think the Chief Justice is trying to scare people, people who were once scared by the prospect of gay marriage. I also think that he's a pathetic excuse for a judge, chief or otherwise. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized? Gay marriage is now legal. Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy could be legalized soon. What do you think? Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story on a Throuple http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues,... http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork In his unexpectedly fiery dissent in Friday's marriage equality decision, Chief Justice John Roberts argues that the ruling may clear the way for a constituti... View on www.slate.com http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/06/26/roberts_gay_marriage_dissent_cites_new_york_post_on_lesbian_throuple.html?wpisrc=obnetwork Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Oh Shelly, you misunderstood me—I wasn't talking about his *right* to free speech. 75 Classic Cow Names http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names 75 Classic Cow Names http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names Cow names are quite easy to come up with, and it can be a lot of fun, too! So have fun in the process of naming your cows and bulls, and read through the f... View on tutta.hubpages.com http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. So it's free speech for all but for a limited time only and if some people don't like you they can end it by catching you out on a trumped up technicality? Gotcha. Goebbels would have loved you. Hey I just proved the cliche that if any argument on the internet goes on long enough someone will get compared to the Nazis. Cool! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Right on !! I, Dr. RC endorse this sentiment as well. What I'm hearing from the likes of you Steve, Emily, Ann, Judy, Edg and others is that end justifies the means in case of Barry and I just can't disagree with this sentiment. That getting rid of Barry - as Emily so beautifully stated - Barry's vicious brand of mean and degrading hostility - is a huge bonus for FFL. And this issue is different from the concerns regarding the new moderator Doug on FFL and his unstated reasons for banning Barry. I believe there are concerns about freedom of expression especially anti-Tm opinions but Doug has done nothing so far that leads one to that conclusion. The people who have expressed strong sentiments against Doug haven't banned. Curtis is on a overdrive here (at the behest of Barry?) to weave these stories together and obfuscate the truth, blur the lines between two themes/stories in the way he does best - context switching/stealing (is that how my old man would have called?), in his charming, deceptive, manipulative behavior. Many of us here are well aware of Curtis's tactics and not surprised here. He equates banning Barry to curtailing of freedom of expression and he's just plain wrong. The arguments of others that Barry be just ignored, that everyone is responsible for their content doesn't make any sense for the victims of Barry's malicious lies. Not all of us can be indifferent, many of the posters like Ann, Edg, Emily, Steve are passionate, heart centered individuals and indifference can't be prescribed as a solution to deal with Barry's toxic, noxious rants. Dr. RC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ya hear that, Doug. Run the fu*k with this. This is how a lot of us feel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. Ann: My apologies. My new resolution is to remain positive and to try and engender the same here at FFL (Edg, Steve and I are on the same page with regard to this, evidently). Me2: You and I are cool with each other about 90% of the time Ann. That was very nice of you to say. For me authentic is positive and you are always that. A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. Ann: I can't comment on that as I don't know but I don't think anything was premeditated, or at least in my conversations with Rick I was certainly not given that impression. No one was out to get Barry from either Rick or Doug's side at the time I was engaged with Rick on the moderator business. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : The other part of Ann's post was that Rick told her he had been bombarded with complaints (presumably from more than one person) about the unpleasantness on FFL. Me: I wonder who these complaints were directed toward? Probably not TM supporters. (And I wasn't here, remember, if that's what you're so very charmingly but erroneously insinuating.) Judy: Curtis, I wouldn't have made a big issue of this if it weren't for the fact that you assert this made-up story in virtually every post you've made about Doug. Obviously you thought it was important, so don't accuse me of using it as a distraction. Doug wasn't the one to convince Rick a moderator was needed, and he was Rick's choice of moderator only faute de mieux. It's Doug's lobbying that is, in fact, the distraction from the real issue. Me: It is not a made-up story. He was lobbying for moderation or for shutting down the site for months. Yes, that isn't in dispute. If you don't think he was one of those people bombarding Rick, you would be wrong. Nor is this in dispute. Neither of those are the made-up story I'm talking about, as I think you're aware. Remember I communicate with Rick. Yes, I seem to recall another such claim from you about a different party a few years back. Given the facts of that situation, you'll have to forgive me if I need to see the documents in question before I'll give your claims much credibility. Judy: I note also that you can't bring yourself to concede your errors graciously. You just had to take a swipe at Ann. (See red highlight below.) Me: First of all it is an error only in your own mind, not mine. He put a lot of pressure for Rick to get a moderator and was not Rick's first choice for good reason as we have seen. Your hyper focus on irrelevant details does not change Buck's constant lobbying for control and its immediate aftermath. To me, the lobbying is the irrelevant detail. As far as that being a swipe at Ann implying that she hates Barry's guts and in a position of control would have used it on him, take it as you like. I was just stating an obvious fact of what more probably would have gone down. Um, obvious facts and probabilities are two different things. Your writing is getting almost as sloppy as Barry's. If it makes you feel better I would have said that about you too in that position. Of course, because we TM supporters lack a sense of fairness and integrity, right? Judy: It's interesting that--unless somebody comes out of the woodwork--Rick didn't ask any of Barry's Boys if they wanted to be moderator. Me: You don't know who has and who has not been asked anything by Rick Think that may be why I said unless somebody comes out of the woodwork? except that he asked Ann and Buck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
The other part of Ann's post was that Rick told her he had been bombarded with complaints (presumably from more than one person) about the unpleasantness on FFL. Curtis, I wouldn't have made a big issue of this if it weren't for the fact that you assert this made-up story in virtually every post you've made about Doug. Obviously you thought it was important, so don't accuse me of using it as a distraction. Doug wasn't the one to convince Rick a moderator was needed, and he was Rick's choice of moderator only faute de mieux. It's Doug's lobbying that is, in fact, the distraction from the real issue. I note also that you can't bring yourself to concede your errors graciously. You just had to take a swipe at Ann. (See red highlight below.) It's interesting that--unless somebody comes out of the woodwork--Rick didn't ask any of Barry's Boys if they wanted to be moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : The other part of Ann's post was that Rick told her he had been bombarded with complaints (presumably from more than one person) about the unpleasantness on FFL. Me: I wonder who these complaints were directed toward? Judy: Curtis, I wouldn't have made a big issue of this if it weren't for the fact that you assert this made-up story in virtually every post you've made about Doug. Obviously you thought it was important, so don't accuse me of using it as a distraction. Doug wasn't the one to convince Rick a moderator was needed, and he was Rick's choice of moderator only faute de mieux. It's Doug's lobbying that is, in fact, the distraction from the real issue. Me: It is not a made-up story. He was lobbying for moderation or for shutting down the site for months. If you don't think he was one of those people bombarding Rick, you would be wrong. Remember I communicate with Rick. Judy: I note also that you can't bring yourself to concede your errors graciously. You just had to take a swipe at Ann. (See red highlight below.) Me: First of all it is an error only in your own mind, not mine. He put a lot of pressure for Rick to get a moderator and was not Rick's first choice for good reason as we have seen. Your hyper focus on irrelevant details does not change Buck's constant lobbying for control and its immediate aftermath. As far as that being a swipe at Ann implying that she hates Barry's guts and in a position of control would have used it on him, take it as you like. I was just stating an obvious fact of what more probably would have gone down. If it makes you feel better I would have said that about you too in that position. Judy: It's interesting that--unless somebody comes out of the woodwork--Rick didn't ask any of Barry's Boys if they wanted to be moderator. Me: You don't know who has and who has not been asked anything by Rick except that he asked Ann and Buck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. Ann: My apologies. My new resolution is to remain positive and to try and engender the same here at FFL (Edg, Steve and I are on the same page with regard to this, evidently). A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. Ann: I can't comment on that as I don't know but I don't think anything was premeditated, or at least in my conversations with Rick I was certainly not given that impression. No one was out to get Barry from either Rick or Doug's side at the time I was engaged with Rick on the moderator business. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here) Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just had not seen your post. Ann: My apologies. My new resolution is to remain positive and to try and engender the same here at FFL (Edg, Steve and I are on the same page with regard to this, evidently). Me2: You and I are cool with each other about 90% of the time Ann. That was very nice of you to say. For me authentic is positive and you are always that. Yup, I have a small and somewhat inferior filter. It gets me in trouble sometimes but I can live with that. Pretending to be someone I am not takes the kind of energy and will I don't possess so I simply let it all hang out, so to speak. But, I am serious about attempting a new direction in terms of avoiding true negativity here. I feel that I am safer to do so, in the new environment. If I didn't like it here I wouldn't be here, if I didn't think I could learn things or there weren't people at FFL worth listening to I would not have re-subscribed. Some things are worth a second try. A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? Me: Thanks for posting this I wasn't going to chase around to find it. I guess Barry would be gone now either way then. Ann: I can't comment on that as I don't know but I don't think anything was premeditated, or at least in my conversations with Rick I was certainly not given that impression. No one was out to get Barry from either Rick or Doug's side at the time I was engaged with Rick on the moderator business. About Buck's relentless lobbying for control of this site, that is in the posting record so your being asked doesn't prove the point Judy seems to think it does. But then this is all Judy distraction from what I consider the real issue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it? Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy. I'll be a lot more impressed if your joy facilitates your coming up with a convincing rebuttal. The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way. Me: Says the person who professionally edits. Keep going... Judy: But what I outlined is the way I read it when it was first posted, and I see no reason to change that inference just because Curtis is desperate to contrive evidence that Doug should be fired as moderator so Curtis can rescue his pal and cheerleader Barry from durance vile. Me: Maybe I clarified the situation with Rick. Think that might be behind my confidence in what is going on here? Are you asking me to trust your word, Curtis? Really? Judy: BTW, Curtis, looks like the story you made up about Doug twisting Rick's arm to persuade him he needed Doug to moderate FFL has been busted. I'm sure you've seen Ann's post today. Me: I am unfamiliar with her writing here, we have different interests. Oh, that's a good one. You and she have had quite a number of long discussions about matters of common interest (some very friendly, others not so). I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn she's been erased from your memory. Convenient, though, in the present situation. We all saw Buck's relentless lobbying for this to happen here. There was no arm twisting it was just persistence and the invocation of a bogus problem to be solved, the Yahoo guidelines. Maybe you should just contact Rick before you make a bigger fool of yourself Judy. You are on the wrong side of this and we both know why. Check out Ann's post, poopsie. Just to clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here): Rick approached Buck to see if he was interested in the job as moderator after first offering it to me. Is this clear enough? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Steed R.I.P.
Re According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database (no, really) it's a short-barrel Webley MK IV: Thanks! And according to the IMDb Trivia page on the series: Emma Peel's revolver is a gold-plated, pearl-handled pocket version of the Webley Mk IV chambered for .380/200 (aka .38 SW)! I wonder what happened to Diana Rigg's original gun (which was presumably a convincing replica). It must be worth a fortune now as a collector's item. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : If I lived in the USA I might well buy a handgun to keep at home for self-defence as there are just too many firearms floating around for my liking. (Yes, I'd be adding to the total but you see where I'm coming from.) Emma Peel's golden revolver could be the one I'd choose. Sexy, no? Does anyone recognise what make it is? According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database (no, really) it's a short-barrel Webley MK IV ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : If I lived in the USA I might well buy a handgun to keep at home for self-defence as there are just too many firearms floating around for my liking. (Yes, I'd be adding to the total but you see where I'm coming from.) Emma Peel's golden revolver could be the one I'd choose. Sexy, no? Does anyone recognise what make it is? According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database (no, really) it's a short-barrel Webley MK IV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ethics and Driverless Cars
Oops: Two self-driving cars involved in close call in California http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss Two self-driving cars involved in close call in Californ... http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss Delphi Automotive Audi had to take ‘appropriate action’ after being cut up by Google Lexus, says executive who was riding in the car View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/26/google-delphi-two-self-driving-cars-near-miss Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : They haven't programmed in California stops. That's why they get read-ended around here. People expect the car in front of them to do a California stop not a full one. :-D Actually I haven't seen any of Google's test cars around here except possibly the fleet of similar cars in the lot where I parked at Google back in February. But those looked more like a fleet vehicle they might use if they needed to drive out to a meeting in the area. But they were Spark cars. We were sold the idea of driverless cars back in the 1950s but we were supposed to have them by the 1980s. I even heard they put cables in the Interstate highways for that purpose. Driverless cars might be more appealing for long distance travel so you could kick back, watch a movie, play games or take videos of the scenery. But then take over again once at the destination. To some extent impractical since a better solution would be cheaper and faster rail transportation but we pretty much killed the railroads and who wants to fly with the gestapo at the airports? On 06/25/2015 10:23 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? 'Right now, ethicists have more questions than answers. Should rules governing autonomous vehicles emphasize the greater good -- the number of lives saved -- and put no value on the individuals involved?' Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? The gearheads in D! etroit, Tokyo and Stuttgart have mostly figured out how to build driverless vehicles. Even the Google guys seem to have solved the riddle. View on www.bloomberg.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doing full justice to something magnificant
Ain't nothing wrong with this sermon. It goes to the heart of the matter. There is no benefit that comes from troll baiting. And we've had enough assent, from different participants, that what we had going on, was. get ready for it, troll baiting. And enough, is * enough. Let's try a different approach and see what happens. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : snip OF COURSE not everyone will agree on what constitutes violence or bullying or trolling and when you get the subjectivity of those who might be fond of a certain poster, whoever it might be, and that poster is canned then OF COURSE those people will moan about it - and maybe they should, I guess it is a sort of loyalty being shown to someone they value as a contributor to the forum. But, as with most scenarios where there is a group of people, there needs to be guidelines and rules and the poor shmuck who takes on the job of enforcing the stated guidelines of (in this case Yahoo) then this will prove difficult. Maybe that is why Rick didn't really want to deal with it on the level that became necessary when this place became a free for all. Free is a nice word until it turns into mayhem and a situation where a lack of personal self control by certain individuals is not adequate to ensure the freedoms of others in their vicinity. Now please rise, the sermon is over and we've got The Lord's Prayer to recite and the communal wine has a best by date which is fast approaching.
[FairfieldLife] Great News. Love Will Find A Way
[FairfieldLife] Quiz
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/13/education/edlife/edlife-quiz-psych.html?WT.mc_id=2015-MAY-KWP-INTL_AUD_DEV-0503-0531amp;WT.mc_ev=clickamp;ad-keywords=IntlAudDevamp;kwp_0=20935amp;kwp_4=136232amp;kwp_1=158134amp;_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/13/education/edlife/edlife-quiz-psych.html?WT.mc_id=2015-MAY-KWP-INTL_AUD_DEV-0503-0531amp;WT.mc_ev=clickamp;ad-keywords=IntlAudDevamp;kwp_0=20935amp;kwp_4=136232amp;kwp_1=158134amp;_r=0
[FairfieldLife] More Fracking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBxqG6TzO7U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBxqG6TzO7U
[FairfieldLife] Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
One machine said NO...which is correct. It's database was based on movie scripts. But if the database included philosophical and ethics discussions, the machine could have gotten the correct answer from those discussions. Even if it got the correct answer, the machine still does not know what it said. Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Prog... http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Machine is asked to define morality, gets annoyed when it can't. View on blogs.wsj.com http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far. We're dealing with some few nit-pickers of detail but the challenge is very much like the Supreme Court faced in ruling yesterday. There is spirit and intent of law that needs to be taken in to account, just like as Yahoo asks for: Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us. The supreme court dealing with this.. From the NPR page: The Supreme Court, however, firmly rejected the challengers' argument, ruling that the overall purpose of the statute was to create a nationwide system of insurance for those who are not insured through work. Chief Justice Roberts said that Congress established a system of interlocking reforms that could not be separated. Lose the subsidies, he said, and history shows that mainly the sick will sign up for insurance; costs will skyrocket, making insurance unaffordable; and insurance plans will be pushed into a death spiral. It is simply implausible that Congress intended such a result, said Roberts. While standing on steady ground I look to the guidelines of civility that Yahoo intended for its groups. Those guidelines are way more than spirit but plain intent. Folks should simply make their contributions to FFL within the chalice which Yahoo holds up to us. Offerings not written well within the spirit and intent of what Yahoo has given us may well fall or bounce out as given. In reformation anew have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received a compliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL that was actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of the invasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removed from the community. -JaiGuruYou Your use of Groups is subject to these Guidelines, Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. Be courteous. Moderate your content. “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other people's privacy. ..the group owner may remove your content — or you — from the group altogether. “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit or advantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss of self-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, or attitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. A disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is disrespectful or scornful. Slur: an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, or irreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. “Don't be unkind”. We depend on each member to help keep it [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]. Yahoo Groups Guidelines https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Yahoo Groups Guidelines https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Yahoo Groups helps you connect with groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. View on policies.yahoo.com https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Preview by Yahoo # [..Some people
[FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant
I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with equal parts revulsion and fascination... Exchange from a previous post: Buck being channeled though Doug: Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: back and forth (Time to come clean Doug)
I don't think Doug was implying any such thing. I think that's what some inferred, incorrectly. I think he was pointing out that after discussion between him and Rick, RIck had given him the authority to bounce people, but that Rick was still the chief authority. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : --- curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls --- authfriend@... wrote : Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't that what you accused him of lying about? I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status). Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, approve posts before they go up, etc.). Where's the lie, Curtis? Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified. Judy, you are totally crazy. You know what Buck exactly meant by back and forth. Buck clearly implied that it was a joint decision by both him and Rick. You can't be this dense, not to have understood what has happened. The entire event happened by subterfuge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far. Erm, yeah, erm we were all just saying that very same thing. We're dealing with some few nit-pickers of detail but the challenge is very much like the Supreme Court faced in ruling yesterday. There is spirit and intent of law that needs to be taken in to account, just like as Yahoo asks for: Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us. The supreme court dealing with this.. From the NPR page: The Supreme Court, however, firmly rejected the challengers' argument, ruling that the overall purpose of the statute was to create a nationwide system of insurance for those who are not insured through work. Chief Justice Roberts said that Congress established a system of interlocking reforms that could not be separated. Lose the subsidies, he said, and history shows that mainly the sick will sign up for insurance; costs will skyrocket, making insurance unaffordable; and insurance plans will be pushed into a death spiral. It is simply implausible that Congress intended such a result, said Roberts. While standing on steady ground I look to the guidelines of civility that Yahoo intended for its groups. Those guidelines are way more than spirit but plain intent. Folks should simply make their contributions to FFL within the chalice which Yahoo holds up to us. Offerings not written well within the spirit and intent of what Yahoo has given us may well fall or bounce out as given. In reformation anew have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received a compliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL that was actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of the invasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removed from the community. -JaiGuruYou Your use of Groups is subject to these Guidelines, Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. Be courteous. Moderate your content. “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other people's privacy. ..the group owner may remove your content — or you — from the group altogether. “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit or advantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss of self-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, or attitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. A disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is disrespectful or scornful. Slur: an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, or irreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. “Don't be unkind”. We depend on each member to help keep it [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]. Yahoo Groups Guidelines https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Yahoo Groups Guidelines https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Yahoo Groups helps you connect with groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. View on
