Re: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras

2012-05-17 Thread Vaj
On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras

2012-05-17 Thread Vaj
On May 17, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Jason wrote: Hyper-religiosity is a mental disorder like myriad psychological disorders that exist on this planet. From an old TM teacher (Estes Park): http://www.lorinroche.com/dangers/homeless.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.

2012-05-16 Thread Vaj
On May 16, 2012, at 1:38 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Thanks, I got nearly 1.35 minutes into it before switching off. Good of him to admit there is no scientific consensus on what he says but he then went on to claim that superstring theory is the unified field etc. There's no consensus on that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.

2012-05-16 Thread Vaj
On May 16, 2012, at 10:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: So are you saying that the TMO dictum consciousness is primary, matter is secondary, echoing the sentiments of Shankara, is a falsehood? I would say it's a falsehood as I can't see any evidence to support it, I assume it's a case of

[FairfieldLife] HHDL: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality

2012-05-16 Thread Vaj
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/arianna-dalai- lama_b_1519694.html According to the Dalai Lama, science and Buddhist thought share many things: On the philosophical level, both Buddhism and modern science share a deep suspicion of any notion of absolutes. ... Both Buddhism

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
On May 14, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: authfriend: Two HUGE mistakes in this post, even more ignorant than Vaj's claim that the philosophy of Idealism is a falsehood. Not to mention that Mahayana Buddhism is based on Idealism as propounded by Vasubhandu, the second Buddha,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
On May 14, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: The only thing is I never declared the philosophy of idealism a falsehood! Sounds like Judy's making up lies and strawmen again... Oops! Yeah I know. You have to be pretty stupid to confuse Hegel with Shankara

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
On May 14, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: In philosophy, idealism is the group of philosophies which assert that reality, or reality as we can know it, is fundamentally mental, mentally constructed, or otherwise immaterial. Interesting. Points out the difference between

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
On May 14, 2012, at 1:51 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Either way, you can't deny Shankara's hate of scientific materialism...IIRC he said it should be eradicated. And eradicate it he did. The traditional Indian scientific

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
On May 14, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Bhairitu wrote: How 'bout everything is consciousness? In fact it would be pretty hard to prove that everything isn't consciousness. ;-) Yeah, as long as they don't bump their head or stub their toe! :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
On May 14, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 05/14/2012 11:44 AM, Vaj wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Bhairitu wrote: How 'bout everything is consciousness? In fact it would be pretty hard to prove that everything isn't consciousness. ;-) Yeah, as long as they don't bump

[FairfieldLife] HHDL receives Templeton Prize--UK--excellent photos

2012-05-14 Thread Vaj
http://tinyurl.com/7fw2fd2 The Templeton prize is awarded to the Dalai Lama for encouraging scientific research and harmony among religions, and honours those who 'affirm life's spiritual dimension' . http://tinyurl.com/7rwohay The Dalai Lama has said that last summer's riots were the fault of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ��Out-of-Body�� Experiences; Self-Referent Functions Disorganized in Space

2012-05-12 Thread Vaj
On May 12, 2012, at 8:18 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Question put to Maharishi in the Assembly Hall, Seelisberg: Maharishi, do you like to be with us ? Maharishi; I would rather stay in my room and read Yoga Vashistha Probably one of the most profound Hindu teachings I ever received was of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mini-review: Bon Cop, Bad Cop

2012-05-12 Thread Vaj
On May 12, 2012, at 4:37 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I stumbled upon this little 2006 gem while pursuing my fascination with Bron/Broen/The Bridge. There was a little Similar to note at the bottom of the page saying that the murder plot was similar to this film. So of course I had to find it and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Chopra center endorsed!

2012-05-12 Thread Vaj
On May 12, 2012, at 6:19 PM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.zrii.com/products/zrii-amalaki-drink.html Chopra Center prices...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-11 Thread Vaj
On May 11, 2012, at 3:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Coincidentally, King Tony's latest youtube offerings touch on this topic. Whaaa! Where's the crown? And what's with the tan, he's supposed to be a monk! He looks like Don

Re: [FairfieldLife] What kind of vibes?

2012-05-11 Thread Vaj
On May 11, 2012, at 7:55 AM, cardemaister wrote: Just curious, what kind of vibes do you get from this pic? http://is13.snstatic.fi/img/468/1288333146212.jpg She appears to be suffering from JPEG compression disease. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-11 Thread Vaj
On May 11, 2012, at 8:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Anyway, I sure hope for the theories sake that they find the Higgs boson because

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out-of-Body Experiences; Self-Referent Functions Disorganized in Space

2012-05-11 Thread Vaj
On May 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Yes, this is what it (kensho/satori) is like, no sense of center, the sense of individuality

Re: [FairfieldLife] Perserverance

2012-05-11 Thread Vaj
On May 10, 2012, at 6:34 AM, raunchydog wrote: No one succeeds without effort... Those who succeed owe their success to perseverance. ~Ramana Maharshi Great quote!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
being scanned in a fMRI. The EEG was only ever seen once before, in lineal Patanjali yogis who could demonstrate the samadhi of their tradition. See: http://www.pnas.org/content/101/46/16369.full What are you typing on Vaj? A number of characters are not displaying correctly when I read

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 9, 2012, at 5:43 PM, sparaig wrote: Of course. As I point out in a subsequent post. Even if one can float around a room, and that ability is predicated upon

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Yifu wrote: consciousness beyond the brain - precisely; dead people with subtle bodies. Likewise, Buddhas existing in varous Buddhalands beyond the physical. You doubt the existence of life after physical brain existence? How curious. I didn't say that, now

[FairfieldLife] ‘‘Out-of-Body’’ Experiences; Self-Referent Functions Disorganized in Space

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
‘‘Out-of-Body’’ Experiences; Self-Referent Functions Disorganized in Space ‘‘Out-of-body’’ experiences help us understand how the sense of a physical self arises. During a classical, brief, ‘‘out-of-body’’ state, the experience includes: (1) the displacement of the center of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
. The EEG was only ever seen once before, in lineal Patanjali yogis who could demonstrate the samadhi of their tradition. See: http://www.pnas.org/content/101/46/16369.full This is an interesting article Vaj. But we need to know what the EEG of a practitioner experiencing rigpa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ��Out-of-Body�� Experiences; Self-Referent Functions Disorganized in Space

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
On May 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Yes, this is what it (kensho/satori) is like, no sense of center, the sense of individuality is totally obliterated. I didn't realize you were a Zen practitioner, I thought you were a TMer?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out-of-Body Experiences; Self-Referent Functions Disorganized in Space

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: These characters showed up in my email in your Re:, but for me, did not show up in Vaj's original email that came through my email. People who rely on the web interface have a number of oddities to deal with, like not receiving photos,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-10 Thread Vaj
On May 10, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Brahman is always there, and Brahman alone sees Brahman, this is seeing one's true nature, which the Tibetan Buddhists call Rigpa. Brahman and rigpa are not synonyms Xeno.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-09 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 3:48 AM, sparaig wrote: Everything in the universe is comprised of observer, process of observation and observed. What about the primordial Seven Rishis? Are you implying they did not have direct perception?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-09 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 1:53 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: All of reality is consciousness, so of course it guides evolution. So we've abandoned empiricism then. Or are you joking, I can't tell. One of the many falsehoods the TM Org

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-09 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 4:23 PM, sparaig wrote: Falsehood? There are two ways you can appreciate consciousness is primary, matter is secondary: !) allegedly, someone in Unity Consciousness perceives this directly as a result of how their brain operates. I have no personal experience

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-09 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: I hope this has properly expanded on Judy's comment. Vaj's statement was too superficial to get at the crux of the problem of truth. The idea cannot be proved either false or true. Thus I would conclude, by virtue what he has said

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-09 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 5:43 PM, sparaig wrote: Of course. As I point out in a subsequent post. Even if one can float around a room, and that ability is predicated upon being in Unity Consciousness, one still can't assert (in the Western philosophical sense) that one is one with the universe.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-09 Thread Vaj
On May 9, 2012, at 5:43 PM, sparaig wrote: Rishi, devata and chhandas have different shades of meaning, depending on context. What context is that? Any guru can make up there own “context” and that’s OK with you? Rishi, Devata and Chhandas has a very specific meaning to mantrin, there’s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore chats to Chopra....

2012-05-08 Thread Vaj
On May 8, 2012, at 3:29 AM, sparaig wrote: MMY presented at least SOME ideas that are falsifiable. Some of them HAVE been falsified in fact and have led to changes in the theory of how and why TM works. ...or why it doesn't work.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A song by Dan Folgelberg for the Fairfield Community: Lou Valentino

2012-05-08 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2012, at 10:27 PM, feste37 wrote: I've never heard of Dan Fogelberg. Is he some kind of pop singer? Folk-Rock.

[FairfieldLife] Tribal and Warrior Christians

2012-05-07 Thread Vaj
http://integrallife.com/member/paul-smith/blog/six-varieties- christians-and-their-churches-part-one-tribal-and-warrior-churc Six Varieties of Christians and their Churches | Part 1: Tribal and Warrior Churches Christians and their communities of faith exist in rich diversity today. Why

Re: [FairfieldLife] A song by Dan Folgelberg for the Fairfield Community: Lou Valentino

2012-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Even Oprah will be amazed at how many people have been abused and neglected by this organization. The Opranator's already smoking the TM crack pipe, so I doubt she'll even notice. She certainly didn't notice Dr. Oz's outdated lies on TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A song by Dan Folgelberg for the Fairfield Community: Lou Valentino

2012-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2012, at 2:13 PM, turquoiseb wrote: But you can't deny that Oprah's involvement with TM hasn't resulted in support of Nature for her: Oprah Winfrey Network Losses Approach $330 Million: Report Whoa, that's a huge loss! Got Coherence?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A song by Dan Folgelberg for the Fairfield Community: Lou Valentino

2012-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2012, at 2:31 PM, feste37 wrote: The perfect post for FFL. Here's the formula: 1. Write something that slams the TMO. Talk vaguely about lies and abuse. Nothing specific is needed. 2. Send it to the moderator, who will post it for you. 3. Fly away, scot-free, leaving your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who's to blame?

2012-05-06 Thread Vaj
On May 6, 2012, at 7:24 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: I see how mcdonalds and soda can be guilty, but how so with computers/games? I supplement my income by editing medical papers before they are submitted to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who's to blame?

2012-05-06 Thread Vaj
mechanisms that kick in there? Meditative texts are filled with lists of the side effects of such meditations, what if there’s something to them? Vaj: But no one really knows what it all means. It makes me wonder IF pathologic introversion does cause this in humans, what does compulsive

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who's to blame?

2012-05-06 Thread Vaj
On May 6, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Susan wrote: Re digital introspection - I wonder how long it takes for such brain changes to be established to the point they could be passed on to offspring. I would guess it will take a few generations for us to see the full (possibly horrid) impact of this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-04 Thread Vaj
On May 3, 2012, at 3:49 PM, emptybill wrote: I was at the Fiuggi 2000 course and we did not sign or pledge anything. Learning the param-para puja and bBecoming a TM teacher was itself considered a pledge. Then get selling mantras dude! Perhaps at your next Yonge Khachab retreat you vent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy booed in Waco for pointing out Bible error

2012-05-04 Thread Vaj
On May 3, 2012, at 5:41 PM, cardemaister wrote: FWIW: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akandabaratam/message/29172 Nice find Card. Comments interleaved: Makuta, Chandrajnana and Parameshvara Agama (...) There is a major disconnect between what we read of Hinduism in the vedas,

[FairfieldLife] Bill Nye the Science Guy booed in Waco for pointing out Bible error

2012-05-03 Thread Vaj
Meanwhile, in Mordor... http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/bill-nye-bood-in-texas-for/ Bill Nye, the harmless children's edu-tainer known as The Science Guy, managed to offend a select group of adults in Waco, Texas at a presentation, when he suggested that the moon does not emit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy booed in Waco for pointing out Bible error

2012-05-03 Thread Vaj
On May 3, 2012, at 10:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote: While amusing, from my POV the Waco Wackos have nothing on the people around here who have been discussing the historical Krishna as if he actually existed. Reading scripture destroys brain cells. The Vaishnavite Bhagavad-gita is actually

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-03 Thread Vaj
On May 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: No, but everyone knows that when you become a TM Teacher you bow down to your guru and pledge to keep the teaching pure - it's in the Guru Dev puja that you used to recite every day and it's in the TTC pledge you made. What if, as we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Here's one for the wannabe Hindus here...

2012-05-02 Thread Vaj
On May 2, 2012, at 4:41 AM, turquoiseb wrote: ...who tend to be homophobic and look down their noses at Buddhist monks who protest Chinese atrocities by committing suicide. Consider the case of Aravan, who offed himself to ensure a victory during the glorify- war era of the Maharbarata. That

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness for docs!

2012-05-02 Thread Vaj
On May 2, 2012, at 3:01 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/01/mindfulness-meditation- doctors_n_1456870.html?ref=mostpopular For years there's been a special 10-day physicians and scientists course in Mindfulness that consistently sells out, as leading

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is scripture really scripture?

2012-05-02 Thread Vaj
On May 2, 2012, at 12:13 PM, turquoiseb wrote: It occurred to me, after writing an earlier post today about the way I view scripture, that I don't remember the subject of how others here view scripture having been discussed. Anyone up for such a discussion? Are there writings from *any*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness for docs!

2012-05-02 Thread Vaj
On May 2, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Mindfulness for docs! Vaj: ...they're automatically able to control their thoughts and reactiveness. these results provide support for the idea that one long-term effect of OM meditation may be reduction in the propensity to 'get

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
On May 1, 2012, at 1:26 AM, emptybill wrote: The presence or the absence of thinking is incidental to vidya/rigpa. Rigpa is always free of thought and always free of clinging. By definition, thoughts are concepts and thus the conceptual attitude of forming thoughts is redundant rhetoric.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen King skewers the selfish rich

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
King owns a great radio station in Bangor which he converted recently to a liberal talk-show station. It's great, we get Pat LeMarche and Stephanie Miller in the morn and Ed Schultz and Randi Miller in the afternoon radiating like a coherence wave out over the Tea Bagger masses. It's a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
On May 1, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Well, I guess it's settled then. Not one single FFL informant will speak up for their guru, MMY. Rick: don't even bother to shut it down. Sad. Well I will: I'm happy Maharishi helped popularize meditation and meditation research, even

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Best Feeling in the World

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
On May 1, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Story from April's Sun Magazine - Reader's Write section: What state of consciousness in TM might this correspond to? Off the Program Consciousness.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen King skewers the selfish rich

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
On May 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I think you mean Randi Rhodes not Randi Miller. Yes, sorry my bad, Randi Rhodes. Too bad he doesn't have Thom Hartmann on at that time. Thom's on in the evening. Randi is too much of an Obama apologist for my tastes. Randi is still on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
On May 1, 2012, at 2:02 PM, emptybill wrote: I know who he is - I've have his book. I found it's mode of presentation confusing in explanation - especially for people without a teacher. Perhaps he does better now. I like his writings, esp. on Dzogchen, but what I don't like is when he or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen King skewers the selfish rich

2012-05-01 Thread Vaj
On May 1, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Bhairitu wrote: What is the format of King's other station? Classic rock. He's also used it for emergencies. In the ice storm of '98 when there was no electricity or gas north of Portland, i.e. most of the state, King had generators helicoptered into Bangor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-30 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: To quote Xeno: I thought the title Vaj used 'Thought-Free Wakefulness' is a bit misleading because it is not a matter of having thoughts or not, it is the identification with thoughts that is the problem. One can have thoughts

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-30 Thread Vaj
On Apr 30, 2012, at 12:46 AM, emptybill wrote: Bullshit. He uses the phrases interchangeably both in the article and in the book. It is confusing for many people and reinforces the view that Buddhist yoga and meditation is cultivation of a blank state of mind. Perhaps for you. I've never had

Re: [FairfieldLife] From Laurie (TM Free blog).

2012-04-30 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2012, at 10:23 PM, wgm4u wrote: On my TM Teacher Training Course, one of our instructors broke the news that we don't experience...pure consciousness until the last stress is gone. So in other words, all that pure consciousness research is just BS? Not really that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-30 Thread Vaj
On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:20 AM, emptybill wrote: Patrul Rimpoche, in his commentary on Tsig Sum Nedek, emphasizes that bliss, clarity and non-thought are just temporary states and must be disrupted for someone to become established in rigpa. And, yes, that is correct. Noetic emptiness is

[FairfieldLife] Sexual abuse in the Transcendental Meditation movement, was Mahamudra and...

2012-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2012, at 12:39 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: In your opinion, are there more child abusers and rapists amongst the tibetan Buddhist abbottery than in the Catholic glergy ? Apparently, child abusers are involved in the Transcendental Meditation community in Fairfield, IA and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sexual abuse in the Transcendental Meditation movement, was Mahamudra and...

2012-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Susan wrote: From what I can see, there are child abusers and rapists in all cultures and traditions. They don't seem to congregate in a few spots. Kind of like most diseases - mental illness, heart disease. You can try to cure them, but mostly child abusers

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:36 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche (CNR) – CNR : Thought is samsara. Being free of thought is liberation. Emptybill: If being thought free is liberation then even the beings absorbed in prakriti (prakriti-laya) or those beings

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: I thought the title Vaj used 'Thought-Free Wakefulness' is a bit misleading because it is not a matter of having thoughts or not, it is the identification with thoughts that is the problem. Actually it the title the Shambhala

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:11 PM, martyboi wrote: The world is as you areMMY The world is an old perv dressed as a monk who molests young women and pretends to be a guru?

[FairfieldLife] Seeing In the Dark: Buddhist films

2012-04-28 Thread Vaj
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/04/seeing-in-the-dark-a-new-series-about-buddhism-film-by-rev-danny-fisher-gary-gach/ Welcome to a new, regular exploration of Buddhism and film at elephantjournal.com. We call it “Seeing in the Dark.” You can read more about us at the very end of the blog,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: The world is as you areMMY Vaj: The world is an old perv dressed as a monk who molests young women and pretends to be a guru? We know you're a fibber, but do you have to be a hypocrite as well, Vaj? What’s so

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:46 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: He was reffering to the Buddhist Llama who raped his secretaries and gave AIDS to a number of people. No I was referring to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, an Indian businessman.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Thought-Free Wakefulness

2012-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:15 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: At least Krishnamurthi, at the very end of his life had the guts to admit that his teachings had been a failure because not a single soul had reached transcendence from his lifelong teachings. Noone transcends by

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Mind’s Own Physician

2012-04-26 Thread Vaj
Get mopping then! On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj: The Mind's Own Physician... Anyone can practice anything 'mindfully', such as taking a walking or mopping the floor. But, the mediation techniques Jon Kabat-Zinn seem to be taken straight out

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-26 Thread Vaj
On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:15 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: To be a successful program for the military or for the general public, either mindfulness or TM would IMO have to divorce itself from its religious roots and stick to being Just A Technique. I do not believe that the TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-26 Thread Vaj
On Apr 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice TM also practice other techniques as well. But would you be given a dome pass if you admitted to having learned

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-26 Thread Vaj
On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:11 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Plus, it would have *significant* advantages when dealing with PTSD because (even though Nabby in his blissful TM- induced ignorance doesn't understand this) mindfulness is not necessarily a meditation technique in the sense that he thinks of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-26 Thread Vaj
On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, how many tools such as mantras and yantras do you think the average person needs in order to live the spiritual life? I don’t know - how many? I’ll promise to write it down this time.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:30 PM, sparaig wrote: If you won't list the papers, I won't respond. If you do list the papers I won't respond. I'm just saying don't waste your time unless it's something new - I've heard it all before.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
: Thing is, Unc, I've cited it many times. Vaj just ignores it. Research on the physiological correlates of pure consciousness found during TM practice: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911 Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote: Sigh. Unc, all you're doing is taking sides. Vaj says you never show any research... no don't bother. Actually you've showed this steaming pile of turds before. Thanks for showing it again. It's all been refuted. Before.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:22 AM, turquoiseb wrote: So you admit that your only point in this is to prove Vaj and these other researchers wrong. NOT to say anything positive about TM. That was my whole point. We've discussed this before, the reasons it's BS has been explained to Lawson many

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-TM meditation is less integrative...

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
this interpretation. If you disagree, please supply the TM study that tests for exactly the same variables and in the same testing con- ditions, and show how the findings for TM are more integrative. If you cannot, I don't see how you can possibly expect anyone here to believe that Vaj spins things

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-TM meditation is less integrative...

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
or health education.[10][11][12] Skeptics have called TM or its associated theories and technologies a pseudoscience.[13] [14][15] Sorry, Vaj, but that seems to me like a brown noser of the Big Pharma talking... ;D Nope, just an ER physician who knows how to read research and how to spot BS...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:34 AM, marekreavis wrote: I was aware of Swami Rama's demonstrations at the Menninger Institute in Topeka, but understood that he was able to produce theta waves that were associated with sleep but still remain aware of what the researchers were doing and saying

[FairfieldLife] Travis: Prolonged drowsiness = Pure Consciousness

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
SCI Lesson 34: In Frederick Travis' paper The Junction Point Model (1994), Fred associates the 7-9 cps EEG wave to be associated with some underlying field that in humans are supposed to be to enhanced by long term TM. Neurologist Dr. James Austin MD states that this cycle is actually

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-TM meditation is less integrative...

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote: They keep putting lipstick on their Chevy. I almost thought you said Cheney there for a second. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:41 PM, sparaig wrote: Only in your own mind. BTW, referring to someone's professional work as a steaming pile of turds isn't very compassionate. I thought you were Buddhist. I was being compassionate, believe me.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, sparaig wrote: There's no such thing as proper controls in an EEG study on hand- picked subjects. The subjects in many of the Pure Consciousness studies were selected because they were self-reporting regular periods of Pure Consciousness What you meant to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:20 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Not all studies require controls. Some of the early Pure Consciousness studies were merely trying to establish what physiological correlates (if any) could be found for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, sparaig wrote:In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only baseline needed is between episodes of pure consciousness and the rest of the meditation period. The subjects provide their own baseline.Once you establish that there is a distinction that can be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-TM meditation is less integrative...

2012-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Spiritual growth was never about comparing scientific charts regarding this or that technique. Not really. But, extraordinary claims still do require extraordinary evidence. And we are beginning to see that now in meditative

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:26 AM, turquoiseb wrote: In this latest round of the re-enactment, it seems to me that Nabby, Lawson, and Judy are taking the will to believe position. Their comments seem (to me) driven by the desire to believe that Maharishi knew what he was doing in setting things up

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:15 AM, cardemaister wrote: From the POV of kuNDali-yoga (kundalini-yoga), it seems to me almost the only important naaDii-s are iDaa, pin.galaa (ping- galaa) and suSumnaa (sushumnaa). YMMV, of course... He did not seem to be aware of or understand the relationship

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:04 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Does 24/7 witnessing constitute your definition of full enlightenment? I seem to remember Maharishi's definition of what he considered full enlightenment (Unity Consciousness) as, Being able to perform the sidhis, especially being able to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:37 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [...] You were the one who settled for witnessing 24/7 as a significator of enlightenment (CC), or even the beginnings of it. I do not. I have higher standards. I was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:59 PM, sparaig wrote: Radically coherent alpha EEG across multiple leads is hypervigilance? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means... The type of alpha coherence seen in TMers ain’t any big deal Lawson. And as Barbara Brown once said

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Susan wrote: Vaj, I can't speak to the quality of the TM research, but I wonder why you are so certain that no one doing TM is witnessing during the day and/or at night? Witnessing is not such an unusual experience - and I am not talking about people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:50 PM, sparaig wrote: Sez who? Someone citing an evaluation of TM research from 30 years ago. Barbara Brown was the person who popularized the use of EEG in the biofeedback movement. In fact, I believe she actually started the use of the word biofeedback...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:50 PM, sparaig wrote: Sez who? Someone citing an evaluation of TM research from 30 years ago. Barbara Brown was the person who popularized

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain

2012-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:28 PM, marekreavis wrote: *** This is a new concept for me. It was never my understanding that not losing awareness in sleep, as referenced by Maharishi and the TMO, meant remaining aware of sensory data or awareness of events through mechanisms outside the physical

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