[FairfieldLife] Re: INNER PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
The same website has links to country-level contacts for TM teachers. Each country is responsible for its own peace-creating group so you'd have to check to see what is going on where: Learn Transcendental Meditation: Teachers and Centers by country http://tmhome.com/learn-transcendental-meditation/ http://tmhome.com/learn-transcendental-meditation/ Learn Transcendental Meditation: Teachers and ... http://tmhome.com/learn-transcendental-meditation/ Alphabetical list for contacting teachers certified to teach the TM technique. View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/learn-transcendental-meditation/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : it is old video of a defunct program. does anyone have any good news of an actual program in existence in the Middle East at present? posting this gives a wrong idea that there is some kind of group now and things are getting worse anyways. not helpful for the cause you are trying to promote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Texas Denies Birth Cetificates
SCOTUS ruled quite a while back that the 14th Amendment applies to anyone born in the USA *unless* they are children of someone with diplomatic immunity or the equivalent. It might be that there really IS a push to get the 14th Amendment re-interpreted, but that opens a truly scary door where you might have multiple generations of kids who are permanently illegal. THink crime is bad now? Wait until all children of illegals have no possibility of being accepted in Society, EVER. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If that's the case then,the understanding and intent of the 14th amendment may be in the process of being challenged in the courts. The 14th amendment was originally intended to make sure former slaves were recognized as citizens. The children of foreign diplomats, that are born in the US, are not given citizenship to my understanding. So birth in the US does not guarantee citizenship. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Texas Denies Birth Cetificates The author is making a point relating to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution and not about a bureaucratic issue. Denying children born here in the US of their birth certificates is a violation of the Constitution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This has been going on for a while.The ID that has been in use previously and now denied,is a card issued by the Mexican consulate. It's called a Matriculas card. It's not issued by either a state agency or a federal agency. It's foreign issued and no longer valid. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 5:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Texas Denies Birth Cetificates The state is already implementing Donald Trump's vision of America by denying birth certificates for some children of immigrants born in the US. And a federal judges ruled that this is okay. Texas Is Already Implementing Donald Trump's Vision Of America http://www.refinery29.com/2015/10/96026/texas-birth-certificates http://www.refinery29.com/2015/10/96026/texas-birth-certificates Texas Is Already Implementing Donald Trump... http://www.refinery29.com/2015/10/96026/texas-birth-certificates Officials in Texas didn't wait for Donald Trump to win the presidential election before implementing a policy beloved by anti-immigrant conservatives. Trump m... View on www.refinery29.com http://www.refinery29.com/2015/10/96026/texas-birth-certificates Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Vastu as you have never seen before...
Timeline Photos - Arquitectura Védica: Arq. Javier Ortiz Cabrejos | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/arquitecturavedica/photos/a.1440570762866388.1073741828.1423286961261435/1607274999529296/?type=1&theater https://www.facebook.com/arquitecturavedica/photos/a.1440570762866388.1073741828.1423286961261435/1607274999529296/?type=1&theater Timeline Photos - Arquitectura Védica: Arq. Javier Ortiz... https://www.facebook.com/arquitecturavedica/photos/a.1440570762866388.1073741828.1423286961261435/1607274999529296/?type=1&theater Arquitectura Védica: Arq. Javier Ortiz Cabrejos posted this photo on 2015-05-16. 7 likes. 0 comments. 0 shares. View on www.faceboo... https://www.facebook.com/arquitecturavedica/photos/a.1440570762866388.1073741828.1423286961261435/1607274999529296/?type=1&theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: How many people have ever lived on earth?
I'm not real good with logs and exponential growth, but their chart claims that the population of the world went from 2 in 50,000 BC to 5,000,000 by 8,000 BC, Fair enough (adam and eve are postulated for mathematical calculations, I guess), but then they go on to assert that over 1 billion people lived and died during that 42,000 year period. L I'm pretty sure that archeologists would object to that claim. Then go on to claim that 300,000,000 were living by 1 AD. They then assert that 46 BILLION people had lived and died between 8000 BC and 1 AD. Ummm... 46 billion/8000 = 5,750,000 So basically, they're saying that over 5 million people a year died during a period that started with 5,000,000 and ended with 300,000,000. H You DO see that their calculations are a bit off, right? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Your figures are wy off, as you assume steady growth. The point of that saying about "more people alive today..." was to point out that human beings were reproducing faster than ever before: They aren't my figures. It all comes from data collected by the Population Reference Bureau. Any graph of the population from 3 million BC until now that could be drawn in a normal computer monitor would show that the word's population was essentially zero (10 million) until the advent of agriculture many thousands of years ago and then grew rapidly so that by 1 AD, it reached 300 million. Between 1 AD and 1800 AD, population tripled. Between 1800 and 2015, the population has gone up 7-fold. So for most of our existence, there less than 10 million people or less alive at any given time. So the graph wouldn't even show a blip until 12,000 BCE and then grow 30-fold in the next 12,000 years. and then 3-fold in the next 1800 years. and then 1.6x in the next hundred years and than 4 fold in the past 100 years. The pace has leveled off from the estimated high of 2% growth per year in 1960, however. Yup, their chart shows that clearly, perhaps you are forgetting to add the total number of generations per given time? This multiplies each figure for a century many fold. They go into it in more detail here: How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth? http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth? http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx How many people have ever lived on Earth? PRB's estimate is about 108 billion people. View on www.prb.org http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It was written during the 1970s that 75% of the people who had ever been born were alive at that moment. This was grossly false. Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth. World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worldometers http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worl... http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 7 billion. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data... View on www.worldometers.info http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space Brother's hideaway?
Nyah, the Space Brothers were born in Japan and work at NASA. Space Brothers on Crunchyroll! http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews Space Brothers on Crunchyroll! http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews To follow his brother Hibito to the moon, Mutta will attempt to become an astronaut at the age of 32. Unaware of his own talent, Mutta chases his dreams t... View on www.crunchyr... http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews Preview by Yahoo NASA was actually offering its support at one point for the production of the anime. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : NASA needs our help in turns out to be right and another for the silliest answer Nasa wants your help to find out what these mysterious bright spots on Ceres are http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-asks-for-the-publics-help-to-identify-mysterious-bright-spots-on-ceres-10274348.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-asks-for-the-publics-help-to-identify-mysterious-bright-spots-on-ceres-10274348.html Nasa wants your help to find out what these mysterious b... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-asks-for-the-publics-help-to-identify-mysterious-bright-spots-on-ceres-10274348.html Nasa scientists have asked the public what the bright spots on the surface of dwarf planet Ceres could be, being no closer to the answer despite the Dawn ... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-asks-for-the-publics-help-to-identify-mysterious-bright-spots-on-ceres-10274348.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Waging Fraternity and Peace, the MUM Commencement.
The Japanese "itadakimusu" (I [humble form] receive) is meant to cover all the bases. Acknowledges every being, divine or mortal, that had a hand in getting the food to the table. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Apparently the President of the university failed to thank the kitchen help for preparing all the food for the commencement party? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't quite understand, how was the President thank-less in character? From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Waging Fraternity and Peace, the MUM Commencement. May 2015, Fairfield, Iowa. The MUM commencement exercise with its processions of trustees, faculties, staff, and students in decorum was beautiful and quite inspiring especially to see all these scholars in a community of accomplishment. Interestingly the President was thank-less in character as usual though a young student speaker did catch up that part very well acknowledging, recognizing and enumerating a thanks each all around to the various grades and aspects of the of university community. Bravo. The audience was full of community and families colorful with nationalities from around the globe. The brass ensemble lent an exuberant seriousness and pomp to the occasion with their selections. The Dome was a wonderful setting. 391 graduates this year. Very well done. The main speaker gave a speech that was very appropriate to the University and community mission. -JaiGuruYou
[FairfieldLife] Re: How many people have ever lived on earth?
Your figures are wy off, as you assume steady growth. The point of that saying about "more people alive today..." was to point out that human beings were reproducing faster than ever before: Human Population: Population Growth http://www.prb.org/Publications/Lesson-Plans/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx Human Population: Population Growth http://www.prb.org/Publications/Lesson-Plans/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx View on www.prb.org http://www.prb.org/Publications/Lesson-Plans/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx Preview by Yahoo Any graph of the population from 3 million BC until now that could be drawn in a normal computer monitor would show that the word's population was essentially zero (10 million) until the advent of agriculture many thousands of years ago and then grew rapidly so that by 1 AD, it reached 300 million. Between 1 AD and 1800 AD, population tripled. Between 1800 and 2015, the population has gone up 7-fold. So for most of our existence, there less than 10 million people or less alive at any given time. So the graph wouldn't even show a blip until 12,000 BCE and then grow 30-fold in the next 12,000 years. and then 3-fold in the next 1800 years. and then 1.6x in the next hundred years and than 4 fold in the past 100 years. The pace has leveled off from the estimated high of 2% growth per year in 1960, however. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It was written during the 1970s that 75% of the people who had ever been born were alive at that moment. This was grossly false. Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth. World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worldometers http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worl... http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 7 billion. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data... View on www.worldometers.info http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement
Congrats. I take it your nervous system is simply going through the motions of posting trash talk about TM in Fairfieldlife because, well, force of habit? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am already enlightened and I got there without TM From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement That "last stress" before enlightenment is proving to be a doozy for you... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4509808384/h0FF30A29/ https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4509808384/h0FF30A29/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ha ha! Lawson! Sup, bro? One might also ask how 20 years of non-stop TM, 15 years of which were TM-Siddhi years would lead me to being sooo stressed out? (From a TM'er True Believer's POV) The real and obvious answer is the TM doesn't do most of what it is purported to do, but folks who believe in yagyas, jyotish and so on don't believe THAT for a second. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement Well, I don't know if you would stop believing things about Maharishi or not, but I'm pretty sure your attitude would be less stressed than it is now... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not too long ago my friend Bill who I knew back in the old days (1970's) at the old local TM center visited with a woman who was a TM teacher back then, Susan. She never taught that many people, but she still goes to MIU once a year in the summer to do a World Peace Assembly and she still believes Marshy was enlightened. Bill is the guy I mentioned before who stopped doing TM due to the things I was learning on FFL and sharing with him. In their conversation, Susan emphatically told Bill that if he and I would just start doing TM again, it would improve out attitude and we wouldn't believe these things about Marshy and the Movement anymore. I reckon she's a True Believer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita
Well, the Puranas explicitly talk about all the Brahmas, Shivas, etc, each lording over a different universe. That's from about 1000 AD, I believe. Wikipedia mentions it in their discussion of multiverse: The concept of parallel universes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse appears in the Brahma Vaivarta Purana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Vaivarta_Purana: And who will search through the wide infinities of space to count the universes side by side, each containing its Brahma, its Vishnu, its Shiva? Who can count the Indras in them all--those Indras side by side, who reign at once in all the innumerable worlds; those others who passed away before them; or even the Indras who succeed each other in any given line, ascending to godly kingship, one by one, and, one by one, passing away? (Brahma Vaivarta Purana) Multiverse (religion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28religion%29#Hinduism Multiverse (religion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28religion%29#Hinduism In religion a multiverse is the concept of a plurality of universes. Some religious cosmologies propose that our universe is not the only one that exists. View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28religion%29#Hinduism Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Reason would say that, if you take the high road, you'll find the true meaning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So in other words, one can interpret ANYTHING one reads according to what one wants it to say. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 1:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita One has to read the Gita and other wisdom books in various levels of understanding. From a literal sense, the translation of this verse appears mythical and impractical. But in a figurative sense, the translation reveals the infinite properties of the multiverse which are represented by the infinite faces of the Supreme Deity or the laws of nature present in these worlds. From this point of view, one can see the deep wisdom that is being conveyed in this chapter of the Gita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Don't you have any better translations of the Bhagavatam to work with than Bhaktivedanta? You will never view unbiased translations from his works ... or from any Gaudiya Vaishnava-s for that matter. There are much more accurate translations available. Why quote contaminated scriptures full of ideologically corrupted interpretations? ″sarvavedanta saram yadbramhatmaikatva lakshanam vastwadwitiyam tannishtham kaivalaikaprayojanam″( BP 12.13.12) ″You already know that the essence of all vedanta is the non-duality of atman and brahman. Only this is the given subject of Bhagavata Purana. The aim of this (Bhagavata Purana) is kaivalya moksha only.″
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's who you know that counts
One could imagine the US military creating a "honey pot" website for suicidal wannabe jihadists: Blow yourself up immediately. We'll even supply the vest. Apply online now. Dozens of operators waiting to take your call... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When will we achieve a fair society in which your chances of advancement depend on your individual talents and not on having the right connections? Islamic State would-be suicide bombers are complaining that fellow jihadists jump the queue to blow themselves up and are getting the prime locations in Syria and Iraq. http://tinyurl.com/pnhb3o7 http://tinyurl.com/pnhb3o7
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement
That "last stress" before enlightenment is proving to be a doozy for you... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4509808384/h0FF30A29/ https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4509808384/h0FF30A29/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ha ha! Lawson! Sup, bro? One might also ask how 20 years of non-stop TM, 15 years of which were TM-Siddhi years would lead me to being sooo stressed out? (From a TM'er True Believer's POV) The real and obvious answer is the TM doesn't do most of what it is purported to do, but folks who believe in yagyas, jyotish and so on don't believe THAT for a second. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement Well, I don't know if you would stop believing things about Maharishi or not, but I'm pretty sure your attitude would be less stressed than it is now... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not too long ago my friend Bill who I knew back in the old days (1970's) at the old local TM center visited with a woman who was a TM teacher back then, Susan. She never taught that many people, but she still goes to MIU once a year in the summer to do a World Peace Assembly and she still believes Marshy was enlightened. Bill is the guy I mentioned before who stopped doing TM due to the things I was learning on FFL and sharing with him. In their conversation, Susan emphatically told Bill that if he and I would just start doing TM again, it would improve out attitude and we wouldn't believe these things about Marshy and the Movement anymore. I reckon she's a True Believer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
But, as I said, and you neatly sidestepped, the most important way in which TM-Sidhis is supposed to work--creating a situation where the brain remains active while in a PC-like state--does seem to occur. And this explains why most of Fred Travis' enlightened subjects in his study on CC were people who had been doing TM + the TM-Sidhis: on average, the enlightened people had had 15,000+ hours of "sitting time" (to use the Zen term). That's hard to do with just 20 minutes twice daily of TM, but doable with, say, 1 hour twice daily of TM + TM-Sidhis. And if you're on the Invincible America course, they'll pay you to become enlightened: 8 hours/day x 365 = 2920 hours per year, so on average, 5 years of the Invincible America course might be enough to bring someone to CC. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work." Excellent point! And given the fact that no one levitates, talks to or understands the language of animals, turns invisible, walks through solid objects, has unusually demonstrable attributes of friendliness, happiness and compassion (which generally seem to be lacking in the upper echelons of the Movement anyway) one can safely and logically conclude that in fact the TM-Siddhis do NOT work, except to make the practitioner feel they are superior to their non-TM-Siddhi friends and non-TM meditators in general (this is a very real effect of TM Siddhi practice that I witnessed many times over the years, especially in the governors of the Movement.) The other effect is to make the practitioner believe they are doing something good because of the energy they feel whilst doing TM Siddhis. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"? Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other "flavors") occur. This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more "subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a physical side-effect of this "subtle activity." Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them. So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at least somewhat understood: the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring. Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same general mechanism by which TM promotes CC. If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown "powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented. But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe works on an "objective" level? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other "flavors") occur. This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more "subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a physical side-effect of this "subtle activity." Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them. So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at least somewhat understood: the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring. Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same general mechanism by which TM promotes CC. If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown "powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented. But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe works on an "objective" level? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement
Well, I don't know if you would stop believing things about Maharishi or not, but I'm pretty sure your attitude would be less stressed than it is now... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not too long ago my friend Bill who I knew back in the old days (1970's) at the old local TM center visited with a woman who was a TM teacher back then, Susan. She never taught that many people, but she still goes to MIU once a year in the summer to do a World Peace Assembly and she still believes Marshy was enlightened. Bill is the guy I mentioned before who stopped doing TM due to the things I was learning on FFL and sharing with him. In their conversation, Susan emphatically told Bill that if he and I would just start doing TM again, it would improve out attitude and we wouldn't believe these things about Marshy and the Movement anymore. I reckon she's a True Believer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can all relax now
My only response is that I've tried to say hello several times and you never responded. This is unfortunate from my perspective, because I thought we had established some kind of e-friendship beyond the boundaries of fairfieldlife. Shrugs. Good to know that you're still alive, at least. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OK, that's it, I've said most of what I wanted to say. If anyone responds to any of these posts, my follow-up is: "I stand by what I wrote." Anything Barry or aryavazhi adds will most likely involve deliberate misrepresentations, so take that into account. Others of Barry's thugs may decide to emulate their Dear Leader in the hope of receiving his strokes. Now I'm going to go take a long hot bath to wash off the corruption. Phew. Bye.
Re: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time
So, the _Tao te ching_'s first line is context-dependent? 'K. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I looked at that website last week and it was an attempt by someone to teach what they could via book and web. It does not pretend to replace personal instruction and there are some posts about that. But there have been books around for ages that provide techniques one can use in the place of personal instruction. How well they work may depend on the reader. On 04/14/2015 12:08 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Eh, he DOES have a point: if TM works as advertised, AND learning TM from a book or webpage isn't really useful, AND the Maharishi Effect is real AND if several-other-things... then what Maharishi has done is more than a little significant with respect to Humanity-as-a-whole. Lots of "ifs" of course. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Srijau is a good example of the kind of people I was mentioning the other day who came back from the AE courses, made asses of themselves and acted like TM gestapo. On 04/13/2015 11:49 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: "srijau@..." mailto:srijau@... mailto:srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 3:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who gave mankind the possibility to create the Maharishi Effect for perpetual peace and prosperity https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ I love it when Srijau goes on a Belief Bender. It's like watching a long-time junkie shoot up in a doorway and then stand on a street corner and rant at passersby for two hours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trying again. Very trying...heh heh
Hmmm? And what of MMY's use of the term "Transcendental Consciousness?" This is a situation where there is no internal awareness, nor external awareness, and yet somehow, the brain isn't asleep. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Three definitions of transcendence. First definition: Classically it is the word used for periods of time of "no ego." This is a very common status for the normal human operation called "consciousness." It is everyone's experience that many times per day, everything is flowing "on automatic" and the ego is not "doing" something such as "mindfully managing" that which is happening. This happens hundreds of times per day but goes largely unnoticed. We get most of life done without an ego pretending that it's the author of all thoughts and emotions. We can drive our car home and never break a traffic law, but yet we might have had our minds on other topics and the braking, steering, and signaling still has happened correctly, no accidents, etc. Who was driving? Second definition: If you watch your mind's actions, you'll see that all your "mental life" is as if coming out of thin air -- you're not the maker of thinkingness, instead, you're the witness of thinkingness. This distinction informs us about a second, more subtle, definition of transcendence: by observing the mind as something happening to one, it GRADUALLY becomes obvious that one is not in any manner involved with reality as most folks define it. By realizing ones witness status as "the real me," the ego is as if "tamed," and becomes but another echo in the mind. From the standpoint of the witness, the ego, the emotions, and the so-called "soul," are all massively immense processes of biological systems which are intricately interdependent such that causality is impossible to suss out. Everything causes everything, but the witness YET REMAINS UNTOUCHED by any of it. It is beyond doingness. Therefore: we see that this status of "witness" is a much purer state of transcendence -- this is where the witness is seen as the sole identity, and the personality is seen as if it were some character in a dream -- being had by a smart ape or meat robot (your choice.) Now, as witness only, meaning itself has been "gone beyond," in that the witness no longer can be allured to identify with an ego and all its trappings -- the witness has zero desires, is eternal and infinite, and consciousness, by comparison, is an insane cacophony of merely an "almost infinite" ocean of Rorschach patterns upon which ANY meaning can be projected. Third definition: With the death of the body/mind, the witness, which is half real and half illusory, also disappears. The real part of it is called awareness -- not consciousness. When solely pure awareness is all that remains, even time and space have been transcended. Every form of "real" is but a potentiality of awareness, but expression is zero -- awareness is not an expression, not an experience of a nervous system, not a result of consciousness. It is -- all else seems. The ancients tell us: from this awareness comes ALL THIS, yet awareness never becomes illusory, never becomes dual, never becomes "a part of" what is commonly called "reality" by those who have not yet discovered the levels of transcendence. To see the utter interconnectedness of all things is to reveal the illusion that they are truly separate entities. Clarity about this fact results in an experience of unity. Typically only monks etc. have had the time to dwell within themselves enough to discover and enliven the above truths such that their hearts and intellects could act upon them. Such personalities are called saints. Some folks are blessed at birth with a heightened ability to learn how to transcend, but most folks are chasing the carrots on sticks and "devoting" time to such a quest is easily abandoned in today's hectic modernity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] incompetent "Guru"
But TM mantras ARE meaningless in the sense that no dictionary meaning is provided, and that goes back to the idea that associations during TM instruction are kept minimal in order to facilitate the way in which TM works. Or rather, that the fact that there is an effective attempt to keep associations minimal during TM facilitates the process by which TM is througt to work on a physical level. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No mantra is meaningless - that is a lie Marshy made up to allay the fears of westerners. Read David Frawley's "Mantra Yoga and Primal Sound" and you will see. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] incompetent "Guru" It doesn't mean its "wrong" but even the fact that they're teachign via printed word means its not likely to be TM. It turns out that when you learn nonsense words via reading them, you create a visual memory of them in your mind that is evoked when you remember them. A meaningless mantra is meant to be a heard thing, not a written/visualized thing. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are all kinds of different methods of yoga practice. Just because it doesn't conform to the narrow "yoga lite" practices of TM doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. On 04/13/2015 07:48 PM, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote: this website gives wrong advice like reversing the order of the awareness of the body starting from the feet and moving up in a modified version of one technique, due to not understanding about the nadis and the primordial status of the nadi at the top of the head. So it seems wise to such a relatively ignorant person to do like this and then teach this wrong technique to others! also using "unbounded awareness as synonym for Brahman! do nt follow this follow the real, true ,correct thing, Maharishis original teachings. AYP Home Page - Free Lessons in Meditation, Pranayama, Kundalini, Tantra http://www.aypsite.org/ AYP Home Page - Free Lessons in Meditation, Pra... Events & Training AYP Retreats Worldwide Listing Weekly Global Meditation and Healing Samyama Local Contacts Meditation Groups, Training &... View on www.aypsite.org Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: one can barely describe Maharishi's greatness
Note the date: a day or two after MMY died, when friends and followers are at their emotionally irrationally positive. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I see that the link includes the following sentences: "Maharishi’s divine plan of spiritual regeneration was the destiny of the world. It brought the dawn of Sat-Yuga.": I hadn't realised that this was official TMO teaching - MMY has played midwife to Sat-Yuga, a new golden age. Presumably he was a puppet of higher powers. It's a pretty story. Are there really people out there who believe it? I wouldn't want to take away from them their soothing delusions - that would be cruel. Perhaps us cynics should envy them? And, what the hell! It could be true! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : but it is good to try... page 20 Global Good News: Maharishi's Achievements http://www.maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi-Achievements/19.html http://www.maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi-Achievements/19.html Global Good News: Maharishi's Achievements http://www.maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi-Achievements/19.html lighthouse of Invincibility for every nation, and a perpetual memorial to the over fifty years of unprecedented achievements of His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi i... View on www.maharishi-pro... http://www.maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi-Achievements/19.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time
Heh. And you're certain that any and all of the contingencies are invalided? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Eh, he DOES have a point: if TM works as advertised, AND learning TM from a book or webpage isn't really useful, AND the Maharishi Effect is real AND if several-other-things... then what Maharishi has done is more than a little significant with respect to Humanity-as-a-whole. Lots of "ifs" of course. He hasn't got a point then has he. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Srijau is a good example of the kind of people I was mentioning the other day who came back from the AE courses, made asses of themselves and acted like TM gestapo. On 04/13/2015 11:49 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: "srijau@..." mailto:srijau@... mailto:srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 3:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who gave mankind the possibility to create the Maharishi Effect for perpetual peace and prosperity https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ I love it when Srijau goes on a Belief Bender. It's like watching a long-time junkie shoot up in a doorway and then stand on a street corner and rant at passersby for two hours.
Re: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time
Eh, he DOES have a point: if TM works as advertised, AND learning TM from a book or webpage isn't really useful, AND the Maharishi Effect is real AND if several-other-things... then what Maharishi has done is more than a little significant with respect to Humanity-as-a-whole. Lots of "ifs" of course. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Srijau is a good example of the kind of people I was mentioning the other day who came back from the AE courses, made asses of themselves and acted like TM gestapo. On 04/13/2015 11:49 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: "srijau@..." mailto:srijau@... mailto:srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 3:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who gave mankind the possibility to create the Maharishi Effect for perpetual peace and prosperity https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ I love it when Srijau goes on a Belief Bender. It's like watching a long-time junkie shoot up in a doorway and then stand on a street corner and rant at passersby for two hours.
Re: [FairfieldLife] incompetent "Guru"
It doesn't mean its "wrong" but even the fact that they're teachign via printed word means its not likely to be TM. It turns out that when you learn nonsense words via reading them, you create a visual memory of them in your mind that is evoked when you remember them. A meaningless mantra is meant to be a heard thing, not a written/visualized thing. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are all kinds of different methods of yoga practice. Just because it doesn't conform to the narrow "yoga lite" practices of TM doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. On 04/13/2015 07:48 PM, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote: this website gives wrong advice like reversing the order of the awareness of the body starting from the feet and moving up in a modified version of one technique, due to not understanding about the nadis and the primordial status of the nadi at the top of the head. So it seems wise to such a relatively ignorant person to do like this and then teach this wrong technique to others! also using "unbounded awareness as synonym for Brahman! do nt follow this follow the real, true ,correct thing, Maharishis original teachings. AYP Home Page - Free Lessons in Meditation, Pranayama, Kundalini, Tantra AYP Home Page - Free Lessons in Meditation, Pra... Events & Training AYP Retreats Worldwide Listing Weekly Global Meditation and Healing Samyama Local Contacts Meditation Groups, Training &... View on www.aypsite.org Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, yes, that is the point of using famous people to promote a product: people are interested in the famous person, and while watching the famous person, they've learned to associate whatever good vibes they get from thinking about the famous person with the product. In this case, MUM. HUGE plus for the TMO and MUM itself. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It went viral because Carrey is a famous actor, not because of ANYTHING the university says or does. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on youtube: Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285 students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Preview by Yahoo That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise. If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a full-time MUM faculty member. And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new publicity at all levels. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or "celebrity spokespersons" of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being "followed" in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't "follow" people who look like this:
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
I thought you were talking about a model where celebrities wanted to be around MMY. Using celebrities to promote a product is used by jjust about everyone if they can afford it, so I see no reason fro that to change. For the cost of room, board, a plane ticket, and a nice plaque, MUM can get 6.5 million people to watch a video where the central theme is graduating from MUM. Why would they change THAT model? ANd of course, if the negotiations go well in South America and in Africa, the TMO will expand 20-fold over the 10 years. Why would they try to do things differently? Few companies in history go from 5 million customers to 100 million customers in only 10 years. Of course, success like that will breed its own set of problems, but I'm pretty sure that they're looking at sustainability issues at the same time that they're looking at expansion issues, which is something MMY had to deal with using extremely drastic measures last time. This time, they have 10 years warning. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? Duh. Because the TM organization is a personality cult. Such cults don't change just because the personality dies. If anything, the personality-in-charge's rules become even more written in stone and unchangeable when he croaks. Look at what you yourself did below. While writing a post ostensibly claiming that the TMO could possibly use some other sales model than "celebrity spokesmodels," you go on to describe the latest use of celebrity spokesmodels. You didn't even notice. THAT is how entrenched and "stuck in their ways" cults and cultists can get. The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on youtube: Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285 students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Preview by Yahoo That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise. If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a full-time MUM faculty member. And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new publicity at all levels. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or "celebrity spokespersons" of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being "followed" in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't "follow" people who look like this:
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on youtube: Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285 students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Preview by Yahoo That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise. If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a full-time MUM faculty member. And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new publicity at all levels. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or "celebrity spokespersons" of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being "followed" in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't "follow" people who look like this:
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really? You weren't around back then to see these goons? Maybe you would have liked these types. It's a wonder they didn't wear jackboots. On 04/12/2015 01:30 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: "Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment." Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being "TM Gestapo". Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the "Wayward Pines" trailer I just posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
"Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment." Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being "TM Gestapo". Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the "Wayward Pines" trailer I just posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio
So conflicting stories about an event means that someone is lying? In fact, police investigators are more likely to think that eyewitnesses are telling the truth when their stories contradict somewhat because people almost never tell the same set of details about the same event unless they've coached each other in what to say. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : now that is very interesting in light of the fact that the stories of heavy unstressing on the Majorca/Fuigi course are legendary. So either such stories were lies, or there was more than one Majorca course. Mark Landau has said there were lots of people going bananas. I believe Rick has made statements to that effect as well. From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" ; Dick Mays Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio Nothing out of the ordinary. One guy had digestive problems, everyone called him Mr. Cucumber, don't know why because all he seemed to eat was steamed zucchini. Oh yes, there was one real basket case, won't mention his name but M had him running down to the beach and back, getting messages with very little time actually spent in meditation. The guy actually looked horrible the whole course but I saw him a year or so later and he looked great. Then there was one guy, named Greg, that supposedly developed CC and a chick named Meadow that also developed CC. I think they married after the course and divorced later. But for the most part, most people had pretty normal experiences with an occasional head bobber. From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" ; Dick Mays Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio I was actually inquiring about all the folks around you. From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" ; Dick Mays Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio My *unstressing* was pretty much boredom. Thoughts, mantra ,thoughts, mantra. Occasional Kundalini rushes. I actually had far better experiences of pure awareness and kundalini before TTC. From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" ; Dick Mays Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio So how was the unstressing level in your neck of the hotel at the Majorca Fuiggi course? Regular or high test? From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" ; Dick Mays Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio Geez Dick, at least tell us what's so wonderful about it. Did the secrets of the universe or creation open up to you? Did it *expand* your consciousness? Maybe you became enlightened? LOL, I remember on my TTC, Majorca-Fuiggi ,when M gave advanced and special techniques, if you didn't come down to dinner claiming to be *blown away*, you just weren't evolved enough(cool, for those from Rio Linda) to appreciate the powerfulness of the techs that had just been given. Of course, M did away with most of those techniques later because they were so ineffective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to "laugh it off" and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO "pre-screening" process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The "interview" (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big "THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us" look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, "When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth." The reporter just says, "But why would you?" :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, "Can you fly yourself?" At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to "laugh it off" and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO "pre-screening" process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The "interview" (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big "THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us" look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, "When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth." The reporter just says, "But why would you?" :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, "Can you fly yourself?" At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the "giggling guru" evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said "You look so well, I told you TM was good for you". Marshy just laughed and said "There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days?" and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't answ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
if you say so, it must be true.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
The issue is NOT who your "chosen expert" is. It's that your knee-jerk
reaction is to trot one out, and shoot the messenger the way you were taught
to.
And the even bigger issue is that you're so brainwashed you don't know you're
doing it.
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
That's possible too.
My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor
MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no
enlightenment in the given timeframe).
But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is
in-line with my own.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone
describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is "She's LYING."
Lawson couches it in weasel language ("My chosen expert says it couldn't have
been true so it couldn't have been true"), but the message is still "She's
LYING." Shoot the messenger.
Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what
Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in "Going Clear" that
they don't like hearing said?
BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going
on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it
because they were expected to.
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
"...as I snuck back to my room."
As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he
doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the
time-in-question without many people being in on the "secret," including
himself.
And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from
what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who
simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took
place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost
around the clock in groups of many, during that period.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private
moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just
hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first
time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type
teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go.
In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt
both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved.
Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80
It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar
passages in the book.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts
between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and
wearing silk robes and saris.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
"How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of
hands. See? Almost no one."
So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a
few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry
Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO.
The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and
walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on
taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL!
There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing.
:-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know*
subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that
they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them
to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong.
Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the
"official" policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that
they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's "negative" and
would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be
told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$.
Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of
groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is
in on the whole coverup, and is a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
That's possible too.
My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor
MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no
enlightenment in the given timeframe).
But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is
in-line with my own.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone
describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is "She's LYING."
Lawson couches it in weasel language ("My chosen expert says it couldn't have
been true so it couldn't have been true"), but the message is still "She's
LYING." Shoot the messenger.
Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what
Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in "Going Clear" that
they don't like hearing said?
BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going
on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it
because they were expected to.
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
"...as I snuck back to my room."
As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he
doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the
time-in-question without many people being in on the "secret," including
himself.
And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from
what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who
simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took
place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost
around the clock in groups of many, during that period.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private
moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just
hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first
time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type
teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go.
In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt
both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved.
Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80
It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar
passages in the book.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts
between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and
wearing silk robes and saris.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
"How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of
hands. See? Almost no one."
So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a
few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry
Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO.
The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and
walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on
taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL!
There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing.
:-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know*
subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that
they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them
to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong.
Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the
"official" policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that
they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's "negative" and
would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be
told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$.
Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of
groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is
in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church
coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on
the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the
documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims.
This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale --
they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the
documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those
claims.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
I don't know if your analogy applies are not. Married couples often spend more of their daily lives apart than together. My reading of Campbell's point was that there was no significant amount of time that he was aware of of where Maharishi was alone with just one person. Everyone was clamoring for a piece of him, and he scheduled his time in blocks set aside for groups, rather than individual audiences, or such is my interpretation of what Campbell said. And I'm not sure why he would have changed his mind unless there are details in the book that provide an explanation for how he and others would have missed the periods of alone-time that he hadn't thought of when he made his original remarks. I believe it was MJ who said in this forum that Jerry Jarvis' only recollection of her is when she stood up in a group and described the dream she had had that she and Maharishi had gotten married and had kids. In the interview I saw with her, she describes the dream that she had a few years after Maharishi died where Maharishi begged her to set the record straight about their secret love affair. While I can't be certain, an laternate explanation for the whole thing is it is a bit of wishful fan fiction that she convinced herself over the past 40+ years really happened, and she has become certain that, just as she is certain that the Maharishi who to her in a dream was the real Maharishi telling her what to do, she is now certain that the Maharishi who appeared to her in a dream and talked about getting married was also the real Maharishi. Or it really did happen 40 years ago the way she says it did and Jerry Jarvis was wrong. Does she mention her dreams of Maharishi and her from 40 years ago in the book? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : [Anthony Campbell] doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the "secret": Didn't Anthony Campbell write that many moons ago? I wonder if he still believes it? Even if Campbell does still believe it, we know that there are many people who have been blissfully unaware that their very own married partners were carrying on affairs for years. (And I always wonder about that. I mean, isn't there a giveaway smell? A decline in sexual interest? A shifty avoidance of eye contact?) I don't and can't know if Judith Bourque is telling it like it was. I wasn't there. I'm just pointing out that Richard's claim there are no descriptions of sex acts is belied by the words I see on the page. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "...as I snuck back to my room." As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the "secret," including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one." So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
"...as I snuck back to my room." As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the "secret," including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one." So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the "official" policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's "negative" and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty of the crimes in the claims themselves. This is all Cult 101, guys. Do your homework... From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Travolta defends Scientology... But he hasn't seen "Going Clear"... John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Clear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Cl... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html Travolta spoke out about the Scientology-bashing HBO documentary on Monday as he promoted his upcoming film The Forger. View on www.d
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga, Religion and Schools
Appeals court upholds yoga program in Encinitas public schools http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-appeals-court-yoga-20150403-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-appeals-court-yoga-20150403-story.html Appeals court upholds yoga program in Encinitas public ... http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-appeals-court-yoga-20150403-story.html The teaching of yoga in Encinitas public schools does not represent an illegal attempt at religious indoctrination, an appeals court ruled Friday. View on www.latimes... http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-appeals-court-yoga-20150403-story.html Preview by Yahoo As of April 3... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Its not TM, but the issues are the same: Attorneys Square Off in School Yoga Case http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Encinitas-Union-School-District-Yoga-Schools-Case-Appeals-296089861.html http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Encinitas-Union-School-District-Yoga-Schools-Case-Appeals-296089861.html Attorneys Square Off in School Yoga Case http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Encinitas-Union-School-District-Yoga-Schools-Case-Appeals-296089861.html Attorneys squared before a panel of judges Wednesday in an appeals case concerning an Encinitas Union School District (EUSD) yoga program and whether or not it vio... View on www.nbcsandiego.com http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Encinitas-Union-School-District-Yoga-Schools-Case-Appeals-296089861.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans
Not quite. All living people have been pardoned, but aside from Turing (and a few others?) none of the dead have been: "Since then the discussion of posthumous pardons has gathered momentum. In 2012 new legislation was passed allowing the 16,000 still-living victims of these bigoted, and now-defunked, laws to apply to have their convictions disregarded. Whilst this is a necessary and positive step, the wording of this legislation left the 59,000 men convicted and now dead without any sort of redress or recognition." - See more at: http://www.outtheremagazine.com/voices/government-reject-pardons-for-homosexuality/#sthash.AhR5jWEw.FkVy9KRV.dpuf http://www.outtheremagazine.com/voices/government-reject-pardons-for-homosexuality/#sthash.AhR5jWEw.FkVy9KRV.dpuf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't think this is true. Homosexual acts were decriminalized, but no one (other than famous people like Turing) were ever granted pardons for the incarcerations and chemical castrations they had been subjected to. If you think it through, that could never happen, because it would open the UK government to millions -- possible billions -- of pounds in reparation lawsuits. Some Brit may be able to correct me on this, but none of the articles I've seen about this shameful era of British history suggest that anyone has even *apologized* to the victims of these laws, much less issued pardons to them. From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans I'm pretty sure, though not absolutely certain, that *pardon* was extended to everyone later. From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans Just got home from watching Imitation Game - quite a good film, Cumberbatch is excellent as always. I thought the pardon was a wunnerful thang. It was done as a "royal prerogative of mercy" which just goes to show Her Starchiness does have some practical use in today's UK? From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 8:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans Re "The Imitation Game to watch with my daughter and her mom": It mentions at the end of the film that Alan Turing has recently been pardoned (a Royal Pardon, no less) for his conviction for homosexual indecent acts. That's just the kind of headline-grabbing, liberal hand-wringing that drives me nuts. My grievance is that if the argument is that being gay is no longer a crime so we should posthumously and retrospectively pardon those convicted under the old law then why single out Turing? Surely *everyone* convicted under the old legal framework deserves a reprieve? There's also the issue that we are all well aware that they did things differently in Olde England. To revisit the past and apply contemporary standards to old judgements is pointless. We wouldn't have forcibly deported someone to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread, but so what? There's something tiresomely self-congratulatory about these revisions. It's advertising to the world how tolerant and well-intentioned you are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I can barely keep up with Grimm and Justified. Tonight I am taking a DVD of the Imitation Game to watch with my daughter and her mom - Daughter is a BIG fan of Benedict Cumberbatch, or Benedict Cumberbund as I usually call him, much to her annoyance. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans And WGN's "Salem" season 2 begins Sunday. You're not a fan of the show but Lucy Lawless joins the cast this season. On 04/04/2015 01:34 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sounds interesting. I always liked her, so at the very least it has a high "eye candy" quotient for me. :-) From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 9:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans "American Odyssey" stars Anna Friel and debuts on NBC Sunday night: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3551796/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3551796/ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/arts/television/review-american-odyssey-a-new-nbc-series-stars-anna-friel.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/arts/television/review-american-odyssey-a-ne
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being important. Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I suspect Michael, that Maharishi as a young spiritual groupie was much like the people who eventually surrounded him, with that bright naive sense that everything would be grand. And then the reality of the world, the incapacities of the people, began to set in. Nothing goes the way you think it will go (though statistically there are always a few people who are on the lucky end of the curve). He did acknowledge there would be a flaw that would derail the whole thing. But there is always more than one way for something to come off the rails, and it can come from inside oneself just as well as from outside. Creating an organisation, especially a large one, is one way to bollix up the works because resources that might have been used to supposedly enlighten people have to be diverted to support and sustain the organisation. The organisation then becomes a vampire that sucks its supposed beneficiaries dry in order to sustain itself. Anyone at the head of such an organisation who has personal issues or flaws in relation to its stated mission becomes a major distorting factor in its growth, along with the flaws of all the rest who become part of it. Add to that that enlightenment offers nothing in the end except the knowledge that there was nothing to get in the first place and cuts you loose to live your life independently means those few who do 'succeed' in getting what this truly odd business of 'spiritual' growth is about are not usually going to be enthusiastic about being surrounded by spiritual cretins and their inept dreams of a utopia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Too bad he was a damnable liar. From: "email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife]" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~ [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) https://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=1m3eulnvn0j8u#TopText from email4you included below] I will fill the world with Love, and create Heaven on Earth. Maharishi,1959 Jai Guru Dev Stationery, a Yahoo Mail and Paperless Post collaboration https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/features/stationery
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower
And so, the standard vastu fits right in. My point was there's no single thing that can be called "Modern Dutch Architecture" and so you can't expect vastu architecture to look just like it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ahem. Don't you ever get tired of acting so certain about shit you know nothing about? dutch modern architecture - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=559&q=dutch+modern+architecture&oq=dutch+modern+architecture&gs_l=img.12...0.0.1.28959.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.msedr...0...1ac..64.img..25.0.0.Yvv2gOxa71c dutch modern architecture - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=559&q=dutch+modern+architecture&oq=dutch+modern+architecture&gs_l=img.12...0.0.1.28959.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.msedr...0...1ac..64.img..25.0.0.Yvv2gOxa71c detail-online.com by 24 H Architecture. 500 × 332 - 138k - jpg trendir.com by Dutch Architect Paul de 600 × 399 - 55k - jpg flickr.com IJburg architecture 1024 × 752 - 499k - jpg View on www.google.com https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=559&q=dutch+modern+architecture&oq=dutch+modern+architecture&gs_l=img.12...0.0.1.28959.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.msedr...0...1ac..64.img..25.0.0.Yvv2gOxa71c Preview by Yahoo From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower Hideous is a matter of taste. I agree that if they do build, I'd like to see a more Netherlands-oriented architectural style, but my impression is that there really isn't such a thing in the modern Netherlands, unless you count windmills. Vastu windmills, that's what's missing! L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower The last part of the video is a rendering of the planned vastu community. Please tell me you're not so brainwashed that you don't recognize how hideous this is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) It depends what old buildings are being replaced with. My town has lost loads of classic buildings and had featureless blocks of flats packed in instead. It's hideous, the place looks like no one ever gave a damn about it. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower
Pretty wealthy red necks then. Those are pretty huge buildings to refer to them as a "trailer park." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" The last part of the video is a rendering of the planned vastu community. Please tell me you're not so brainwashed that you don't recognize how hideous this is. It's like a trailer park for Vedic rednecks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) It depends what old buildings are being replaced with. My town has lost loads of classic buildings and had featureless blocks of flats packed in instead. It's hideous, the place looks like no one ever gave a damn about it. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower
Hideous is a matter of taste. I agree that if they do build, I'd like to see a more Netherlands-oriented architectural style, but my impression is that there really isn't such a thing in the modern Netherlands, unless you count windmills. Vastu windmills, that's what's missing! L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower The last part of the video is a rendering of the planned vastu community. Please tell me you're not so brainwashed that you don't recognize how hideous this is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) It depends what old buildings are being replaced with. My town has lost loads of classic buildings and had featureless blocks of flats packed in instead. It's hideous, the place looks like no one ever gave a damn about it. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower
The last part of the video is a rendering of the planned vastu community. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) It depends what old buildings are being replaced with. My town has lost loads of classic buildings and had featureless blocks of flats packed in instead. It's hideous, the place looks like no one ever gave a damn about it. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower
Latest thing I could find. Reading google translate is painful, but it appears to say that the TMO got a final ruling in their favor after 4 rulings went against them, which preservation organizations found "suspicious": https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dichtbij.nl%2Froermond%2Fregionaal-nieuws%2Fartikel%2F3730054%2Fhoger-beroep-tegen-sloop-klooster-sankt-ludwig.aspx https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dichtbij.nl%2Froermond%2Fregionaal-nieuws%2Fartikel%2F3730054%2Fhoger-beroep-tegen-sloop-klooster-sankt-ludwig.aspx Original Dutch text: Hoger beroep tegen sloop klooster Sankt Ludwig http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regionaal-nieuws/artikel/3730054/hoger-beroep-tegen-sloop-klooster-sankt-ludwig.aspx http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regionaal-nieuws/artikel/3730054/hoger-beroep-tegen-sloop-klooster-sankt-ludwig.aspx Hoger beroep tegen sloop klooster Sankt Ludwig http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regionaal-nieuws/artikel/3730054/hoger-beroep-tegen-sloop-klooster-sankt-ludwig.aspx De stichting Burgercomité St. Ludwig en het Cuypersgenootschap gaan in hoger beroep tegen een uitspraak van de rechtbank in Roermond die slopen van... View on www.dichtbij.nl http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regionaal-nieuws/artikel/3730054/hoger-beroep-tegen-sloop-klooster-sankt-ludwig.aspx Preview by Yahoo And so, bribery or no, the demolition was approved by a court, not just done while people weren't looking. As to the bribery thing... heavy sigh, but the building appears to have been unwanted by anyone else, as the TMO was able to buy it for 900,000 $EU if I read wikipedia correctly. Without occupancy (and the TMO wouldn't have been going near it ever since MMY discovered vastu) and continued upkeep, the thing would have been near-collapse by now anyway. Not meant as a defense, _per se_, just pointing out that even without the efforts of the TMO, it might have collapsed within a few years anyway as it wasn't in use and no-one was taking care of it (this appears to be quite common in the Netherlands, based on my own experiences trying to figure out how to renovate an old school with a Dutch friend). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Haven't looked, but there would BE no news unless someone from the local area noticed what was going on and looked into things. And that means that someone would have to believe that the TMO is important enough to pay attention to, which simply isn't something that's likely to happen in the Netherlands any more. The general feeling about the remnants of the TMO in Vlodrop I've encountered from the Dutch is along the lines of, "What? Are any of those people still there? I thought they'd all died by now." From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower You may be correct, but if that is so (and I'm not denying it) then there is bound to be local, or even national news about it. I haven't bothered to look for any, have you? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The laws are *incredibly* strict about historical buildings here, and do not leave room for "exceptions." I have learned this because I'm looking for houses to purchase right now, and learning that one has to be careful to make sure they're *not* classified as a monument. That status can mean that you can't even replace the *windows* in your building, much less change its exterior or tear it down. So it's bribery, pure and simple. The only way someone could have gotten permission to do what the TMO did is to pay one or more important local officials a LOT of money so that they would "look the other way" and pretend not to have seen the demolition take place until after it was over. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower Plausible. Or, they may have offered teh entire government a sweetheart financial deal that trumped the traditional attitude... Or both. AT least the TM organization can be said to put its money where its vastu mouth is... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Having lived in the Netherlands for a few years now, and having dealt with its fanaticism about "protected buildings" and "national monuments" and preventing people from tearing them down or changing the exteriors of them, there is only one thing that explains why the TMO was able to do this -- BRIBES. And big ones, too. Someone in the local Gemente is now a millionnaire thanks to TMO bribery. That's the only way something like this could happen in the Netherlands. From: aryavazhi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 1
Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower
You may be correct, but if that is so (and I'm not denying it) then there is bound to be local, or even national news about it. I haven't bothered to look for any, have you? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The laws are *incredibly* strict about historical buildings here, and do not leave room for "exceptions." I have learned this because I'm looking for houses to purchase right now, and learning that one has to be careful to make sure they're *not* classified as a monument. That status can mean that you can't even replace the *windows* in your building, much less change its exterior or tear it down. So it's bribery, pure and simple. The only way someone could have gotten permission to do what the TMO did is to pay one or more important local officials a LOT of money so that they would "look the other way" and pretend not to have seen the demolition take place until after it was over. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower Plausible. Or, they may have offered teh entire government a sweetheart financial deal that trumped the traditional attitude... Or both. AT least the TM organization can be said to put its money where its vastu mouth is... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Having lived in the Netherlands for a few years now, and having dealt with its fanaticism about "protected buildings" and "national monuments" and preventing people from tearing them down or changing the exteriors of them, there is only one thing that explains why the TMO was able to do this -- BRIBES. And big ones, too. Someone in the local Gemente is now a millionnaire thanks to TMO bribery. That's the only way something like this could happen in the Netherlands. From: aryavazhi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 10:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The last tower Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Oaxaca, Mexico: Inauguration of new multi-purpose (vastu flying hall) classroom
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oaxaca.gob.mx%2Fsupervisan-construccion-de-aula-polivalente-en-el-plantel-253-del-iebo%2F&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oaxaca.gob.mx%2Fsupervisan-construccion-de-aula-polivalente-en-el-plantel-253-del-iebo%2F&edit-text= Original Spanish: Inauguran primera aula dedicada a la meditación trascendental; única en su tipo a nivel nacional e internacional | Gobierno del Estado de Oaxaca http://www.oaxaca.gob.mx/inauguran-primera-aula-dedicada-a-la-meditacion-trascendental-unica-en-su-tipo-a-nivel-nacional-e-internacional/ http://www.oaxaca.gob.mx/inauguran-primera-aula-dedicada-a-la-meditacion-trascendental-unica-en-su-tipo-a-nivel-nacional-e-internacional/ Inauguran primera aula dedicada a la meditación t... http://www.oaxaca.gob.mx/inauguran-primera-aula-dedicada-a-la-meditacion-trascendental-unica-en-su-tipo-a-nivel-nacional-e-internacional/ · La obra requirió una inversión superior a los 700 mil pesos y fue auspiciada por la Fundación David Lynch de América Latina, organización internacional que ... View on www.oaxaca... http://www.oaxaca.gob.mx/inauguran-primera-aula-dedicada-a-la-meditacion-trascendental-unica-en-su-tipo-a-nivel-nacional-e-internacional/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower
Plausible. Or, they may have offered teh entire government a sweetheart financial deal that trumped the traditional attitude... Or both. AT least the TM organization can be said to put its money where its vastu mouth is... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Having lived in the Netherlands for a few years now, and having dealt with its fanaticism about "protected buildings" and "national monuments" and preventing people from tearing them down or changing the exteriors of them, there is only one thing that explains why the TMO was able to do this -- BRIBES. And big ones, too. Someone in the local Gemente is now a millionnaire thanks to TMO bribery. That's the only way something like this could happen in the Netherlands. From: aryavazhi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 10:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The last tower Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718&set=vb.651293717&; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
Actually, Chopra's first book was NOT _Return of the Rishi_ but but _Creating Health_, written before he had fully integrated with the TM organization. Certainly, _Return of the Rishi_ mentioned TM, because it was about the journey of a young doctor discovering the revival of Vedic India in the form of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's various projects. IN fact, _Return of the Rishi_ is the only one of Chopra's books to still have a dedication to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. It is also the only one of his books he doesn't sell through his website, last I checked, though he does sell a selected readings audio version. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to what I've read, Chopra never said that "TM" was "the solution to all problems." In fact, Chopra doesn't even mention TM in his first book, "Return of the Rishi". It's just too bad Judy isn't here anymore to correct all these claims. We will ask Chopra about this when he gets to town. Go figure. San Antonio, TX - The Future of Wellbeing, The 13th Disciple Book Tour https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362 https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362 San Antonio, TX - The Future of Wellbeing, The 13th Disc... https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362 San Antonio, TX April 8, 2015 The 13th Disciple Book Tour Join Deepak Chopra for a book signing! View on www.deepakchopra... https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was in Washington D.C. Think it was about 1985, I do not recall exactly. His comments were specifically related to the claim that Ayurveda could cure diabetes. As you recall, there was a time that TM was supposed to cure everything, the solution to all problems. Non sequitur. Nobody ever claimed that TM could cure diabetes. At time went on, Chopra the MD became more and more Chopra the Woo Doctor. Non sequitur. He also had a wife who did not want to live within the movement's restrictions as far as income etc., and Chopra was concerned about this, he had had after all a good position at a hospital. Non sequitur. Apparently he got some financial concessions from Maharishi, but eventually Chopra wanted to go his own way more independently and Maharishi could not get his cut of the action, which as you know would ideally be all of it. My guess is Chopra was fairly rational until the movement got its claws into him, and like Hagelin, fell into a more irrational frame of mind. The movement seems to lack someone who could put the ideas about reality and consciousness into some kind of rational perspective that is also actually in tune with scientific principles rather than in tune with a parody of scientific principles. Non sequitur. Of course, Chopra, who is an M.D., couldn't begin to compare to all your scientific credentials. LoL! From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient... "Interestingly, the first time I heard Chopra speak within the movement he was much more sceptical about such things as what Ayurveda could accomplish" You are kidding!!! When and where was this? This is the first time I have ever heard of that! From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient... What I liked about the movie Bad Teacher, is while the character played by Diaz has to adjust to a new situation in her life that resulted from her 'badness', it is not a Cinderella, Disney kind of story where everything like her personality turns to gold. It has a more realistic arc that does not magically undo her 'morally bankrupt' characteristics. She adapts to the extent she has to and finds a modicum of satisfaction well below her original goals. I did see Chopra a few times within the movement. The last time I saw him he was coming out of the Twenty-First Century Bookstore in Fairfield, IA (the local Ru Woo bookstore which no longer exists I hear). Interestingly, the first time I heard Chopra speak within the movement he was much more sceptical about such things as what Ayurveda could accomplish, but I think once he got the idea he could make money selling nostrums, that scepticism was quietly put away. Those well inculcated by TM philosophy always seemed to feel that something was not quite right with him, that he was out for himself, which probably was true, as he did not turn out to be the tool Maharishi wanted for promoting the movement, which is of course someone who only promotes Maharishi's goals, financial and otherwise. The Chopra-Mlodinow book was one of the results after the following exchange occurred at the end of a panel debate (the future of God) at CalTech. This was the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Raja Luis on yogic flyers in S.A.: 50,000 => 100,000 => 1 million
Certainly, there is quite a distance between the Governor of a Mexican state cutting hte ribbon for a new building, and one million students in Latin America learning Yogic Flying, but my impression is that Luis Alverez is a pretty decent fellow, overall. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to Raja Luis That is the operative phrase. Luis is a liar and learned to be so from his mentors in the Movement. Lying to get prestige and money is endemic to and an integral part of the Movement. Always has been always will be. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Luis on yogic flyers in S.A.: 50,000 => 100,000 => 1 million http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2014_mp4/2014_play_mp4.php http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2014_mp4/2014_play_mp4.php The video shows the inauguration of the first official vastu flying hall in Mexico, attended by the governor of the state and other government dignitaries. According to Raja Luis, South American governments are jumping on the bandwagon of requesting TM and TM-SIdhis instruction far faster than they can meet demand and they are training one or two teachers in each school to be TM teachers to provide followup for each school because there is no practical way to do it otherwise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
Bobby isn't a shill. A shill is someone who is pretending that they do NOT work for an organization but actually do. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For what purpose would you be wanting to get your TM med checked? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow! Golly gee! A real shore 'nuff news article posted on the Maharishi Foundation USA web site and written by grinning Bobby Roth, certified shill for the TM Movement! I must-a been wrong in all I ever said about TM being a mediocre technique and Marshy being a con man! I guess I need to dust off my TM mantra and go to the nearest Peace Palace and get my TM med checked. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM reaches the Orient... More than 3,000 Buddhist monks in 100 monasteries throughout Southeast Asia have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques?leadsource=CRM421, as a result of the work by a revered Japanese Buddhist http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/religion/jbuddhis.htmlmonk, Reverend Koji Oshima, who is a longtime TM practitioner and certified TM teacher. According to Rev. Oshima, the Buddhist monks appreciate the simplicity, effortlessness, and profound experience of transcendence, which is gained almost immediately after starting the TM practice. Rev. Oshima adds that transcendence provides the natural basis for the monk’s subsequent prayers and practices. Thousands of Buddhist Monks in Asia Learn Transcendental Meditation | Transcendental Meditation® Blog http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/buddhist-monks/ http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/buddhist-monks/ Thousands of Buddhist Monks in Asia Learn Transcendenta... http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/buddhist-monks/ More than 3,000 Buddhist monks in 100 monasteries throughout Southeast Asia have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique, as a result of... View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/buddhist-monks/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brand rejected by Scientology?
He threw out people who were unwilling to play the game his way. That has nothing to do with CC, only with his desire to have a strictly controlled organization. Someone in CC could certainly play the game his way, or not. Whether they do so or not has nothing to do with CC, only with what they do or not do, CC or not. I marvel at how many of you seem to have completely misunderstood his words and actions over the years. Very strange. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" I never heard anyone claim that Maharishi said that everyone would conform to some societal norm. Don't be dense. Of course he never *said* it -- he just expected it. And *enforced* it, by throwing out everyone who didn't "fit the mold." In fact, CC was about no longer being bound by norms: you would simply spontaneously do what was right. Until that time, the path of least stress would be to follow societal and cultural norms, but once enlightenment started to set in, all bets were off. Of course, enlightened or not, you still have to deal with the consequences of going against societal norms, but in CC or higher, societal norms no longer are any more relevant than any other relative aspect of existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why do non-comformists have to worry about teh Age of Enlightenment and why would TM teachers be worried about it? Because the AofE - as far as the TMO teaches it - is going to be a full expression of what Marshy wanted the TMO to be. A certain amount of conformity is expected when you work in the organisation (or frequent it's courses and programmes) So if you don't fit in you have no place in it. You will have how things are supposed to be explained to you and if you question it too much you'll be shown the door. The idea is that because Marshy was "in absolute" everything he said and wanted was perfect because it was in tune with "natural law", therefore if you disagree you are contradicting him. I had some great arguments about it, and saw some hilarious slack jaws when offering my opinions about all sorts of stuff. In my defence I'd say that in the intro talk I was told that TM was something you could do without changing your beliefs, so I held them to it. They didn't like that. The assumption is that as you grow in experience and hear more about the "knowledge" you will naturally accept it as true and for the reasons outlined above - Marshy said so. I mean, what is wrong with being an enlightened non-conformist? No such thing according to the reesh. See above. I mean, of course there is really what I'm talking about is how cults like their people to conform. I would say that going along with a belief system you don't agree with is going to hold you back no matter what you are trying to acheive. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'd have thought he'd be perfect, they could show how effective their programmes are by transforming his life. Or not. I think he'd be more likely to expose any wrong doing than most celebs. It's always telling when people get thrown out of utopian cults. I used to ask TM teachers where the non-conformists would go in the age of enlightenment and they'd just look blank like they hadn't really thought it through. After all, if you can guarantee perfection for people because of an innocent technique and that technique doesn't work for some or it turns out that there's more to being a member of the gang than an innocent technique then you've clearly been lying about something. Seems to me that every utopian group attracts the sort of people it needs to function as a closed order and anyone who rocks the boat needs to be thrown out to keep everyone else happy in the delusion that the perfect society they'e created would work when scaled up to greater society. It wouldn't of course, but the feeling of superiority the cultists get from "knowing" they have the answer because their group functions perfectly is a powerful trip and worth the occasional casualty Why Tom Cruise rejected Russell Brand from the Church of Scientology http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Why Tom Cruise rejected Russell Brand from the Ch... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Russell Brand has been vocal about his devotion to the Hare Krishna movement. But it seems Indian spirituality isn’t the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brand rejected by Scientology?
I never heard anyone claim that Maharishi said that everyone would conform to some societal norm. In fact, CC was about no longer being bound by norms: you would simply spontaneously do what was right. Until that time, the path of least stress would be to follow societal and cultural norms, but once enlightenment started to set in, all bets were off. Of course, enlightened or not, you still have to deal with the consequences of going against societal norms, but in CC or higher, societal norms no longer are any more relevant than any other relative aspect of existence. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why do non-comformists have to worry about teh Age of Enlightenment and why would TM teachers be worried about it? Because the AofE - as far as the TMO teaches it - is going to be a full expression of what Marshy wanted the TMO to be. A certain amount of conformity is expected when you work in the organisation (or frequent it's courses and programmes) So if you don't fit in you have no place in it. You will have how things are supposed to be explained to you and if you question it too much you'll be shown the door. The idea is that because Marshy was "in absolute" everything he said and wanted was perfect because it was in tune with "natural law", therefore if you disagree you are contradicting him. I had some great arguments about it, and saw some hilarious slack jaws when offering my opinions about all sorts of stuff. In my defence I'd say that in the intro talk I was told that TM was something you could do without changing your beliefs, so I held them to it. They didn't like that. The assumption is that as you grow in experience and hear more about the "knowledge" you will naturally accept it as true and for the reasons outlined above - Marshy said so. I mean, what is wrong with being an enlightened non-conformist? No such thing according to the reesh. See above. I mean, of course there is really what I'm talking about is how cults like their people to conform. I would say that going along with a belief system you don't agree with is going to hold you back no matter what you are trying to acheive. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'd have thought he'd be perfect, they could show how effective their programmes are by transforming his life. Or not. I think he'd be more likely to expose any wrong doing than most celebs. It's always telling when people get thrown out of utopian cults. I used to ask TM teachers where the non-conformists would go in the age of enlightenment and they'd just look blank like they hadn't really thought it through. After all, if you can guarantee perfection for people because of an innocent technique and that technique doesn't work for some or it turns out that there's more to being a member of the gang than an innocent technique then you've clearly been lying about something. Seems to me that every utopian group attracts the sort of people it needs to function as a closed order and anyone who rocks the boat needs to be thrown out to keep everyone else happy in the delusion that the perfect society they'e created would work when scaled up to greater society. It wouldn't of course, but the feeling of superiority the cultists get from "knowing" they have the answer because their group functions perfectly is a powerful trip and worth the occasional casualty Why Tom Cruise rejected Russell Brand from the Church of Scientology http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Why Tom Cruise rejected Russell Brand from the Ch... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Russell Brand has been vocal about his devotion to the Hare Krishna movement. But it seems Indian spirituality isn’t the only aspect of religion he’s pursued in... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brand rejected by Scientology?
Why do non-comformists have to worry about teh Age of Enlightenment and why would TM teachers be worried about it? I mean, what is wrong with being an enlightened non-conformist? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'd have thought he'd be perfect, they could show how effective their programmes are by transforming his life. Or not. I think he'd be more likely to expose any wrong doing than most celebs. It's always telling when people get thrown out of utopian cults. I used to ask TM teachers where the non-conformists would go in the age of enlightenment and they'd just look blank like they hadn't really thought it through. After all, if you can guarantee perfection for people because of an innocent technique and that technique doesn't work for some or it turns out that there's more to being a member of the gang than an innocent technique then you've clearly been lying about something. Seems to me that every utopian group attracts the sort of people it needs to function as a closed order and anyone who rocks the boat needs to be thrown out to keep everyone else happy in the delusion that the perfect society they'e created would work when scaled up to greater society. It wouldn't of course, but the feeling of superiority the cultists get from "knowing" they have the answer because their group functions perfectly is a powerful trip and worth the occasional casualty Why Tom Cruise rejected Russell Brand from the Church of Scientology http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Why Tom Cruise rejected Russell Brand from the Ch... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Russell Brand has been vocal about his devotion to the Hare Krishna movement. But it seems Indian spirituality isn’t the only aspect of religion he’s pursued in... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-brand-rejected-by-the-church-of-scientology-because-tom-cruise-thought-he-was-too-much-of-a-troublemaker-10150818.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dutch Parl iament Bans Monsanto’ s RoundUp
Monsanto: great place to work, dangerous products for sale? I'm not convinced that the UN WHO decision concerning glyphosate is correct, but if you DO accept such findings, the fact is that Monsanto's main business is to produce seeds whose only utility is that they enable you to buy lots of pesticide that Monsanto sells, directly or indirectly. And if you think the pesticide is dangerous, then there is no justifiable reason to do business with them as the seeds are only worth buying if you're going to use the pesticide. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Can anyone out there please explain cognitive dissonance? Thanks. Science Magazine ranked Monsanto as 5th on its 2013 Top Employers list, describing its top attributes as "innovative leader in the industry", "makes changes needed", and "does important quality research". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Awards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Awards ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thought for the day: "Destroy Monsanto" On 04/02/2015 03:43 AM, email4you mikemail4you@... mailto:mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: http://csglobe.com/dutch-parliament-bans-monsantos-roundup/"; class="ygrps-yiv-1440506791ygrps-yiv-146427778yiv7988895610link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-1440506791ygrps-yiv-146427778yiv7988895610link-enhancr-element Dutch Parliament Bans Monsanto’s RoundUp | CSGlobe Starting from the end of 2015 the sale of glyphosate-based herbicides to private parties will be prohibited due to a recent decision by the Dutch Parliament View on csglobe.com Preview by Yahoo http://csglobe.com/dutch-parliament-bans-monsantos-roundup/ http://csglobe.com/dutch-parliament-bans-monsantos-roundup/
[FairfieldLife] Raja Luis on yogic flyers in S.A.: 50,000 => 100,000 => 1 million
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2014_mp4/2014_play_mp4.php http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2014_mp4/2014_play_mp4.php The video shows the inauguration of the first official vastu flying hall in Mexico, attended by the governor of the state and other government dignitaries. According to Raja Luis, South American governments are jumping on the bandwagon of requesting TM and TM-SIdhis instruction far faster than they can meet demand and they are training one or two teachers in each school to be TM teachers to provide followup for each school because there is no practical way to do it otherwise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of "Going Clear"
Scientologists may believe in science, but the Church of Scientology refuses to let any of its claims be tested by independent researchers. That is, I suspect, the fundamental difference between a religion and a non-religion. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Scientology religion is based on one simple principle: some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. So now it's been established that you never even read Dianetics. I'm sure this won't be lost on Judy, if she's still a reader here. According to what I've read, Scientologists believe in Science - L.Ron himself was a science-writer. They believe souls reincarnate after physical death and that there is a Force of energy and intelligence in the Soul or Self. Does this sound familiar? It should, because you seem to believe in some of the same religious cult beliefs. Apparently you've been a closet Tibetan Thetan for most of your adult life. Go figure. P.S. How's that solo auditing coming along? LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Interestingly, my first (and only) brush with the Co$ was when I was working for the TMO at 1015 Gayley in West L.A. I was on my lunch break one day and walked into a bookstore there in Westwood, and on a display table was this weird-looking book with a volcano on the cover called "Dianetics." Out of curiosity, I picked it up and opened to a page at random and read about L. Ron's theory of (as I remember) the Third Element. It went, "Every problem, disagreement, or argument between two human beings -- EVERY problem -- is always caused by an unseen third person." I remember being somewhat floored by this and possibly muttering out loud, "Man, whoever wrote this is as paranoid as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs!" Then I put the book down and walked away and never opened it or any other Scientology literature again. I had stumbled by chance on exactly the right passage to make me lose interest in it forever. But who knew that my first impression was so bloody accurate, eh? My only other connection to LRH is that while working there at 1015 Gayley I got to know an older woman whose name escapes me now, but she was one of the original TM pioneers who discovered Maharishi early on and formed the SRM there in Los Angeles. She, as it turns out, had been LRH's personal secretary for many years before she left and ran into Maharishi. So one day I asked her what she thought of him (Hubbard) and she said, very precisely and carefully, "I honestly believe that L. Ron Hubbard is the most brilliant man I have ever met. I also believe that he was *certifiably* paranoid." From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of "Going Clear" Excellent, it's a must see I reckon. Especially the billion year contract, does that include a dental plan I wonder? I almost wish I joined when I was interested after reading "Dianetics", trouble is I might now be a CO$ TB who is forbidden to read or watch "negative" stuff about the "church". Then again, when it got to Xenu and all that crap it would have had the same effect on me that Marshy's unified field ideas did when I learnt TM. I'd see through it and keep my distance. Wouldn't I? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'll just say it -- any long-term current or former member of the TM movement or any other large spiritual organization who does not track down and watch all two hours of the HBO documentary "Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief" is a COWARD. This film should be required viewing for anyone on a spiritual path, to teach them about the perils of following a spiritual path. Here are a few random notes I scribbled down while watching it myself: * Off-camera voice (probably Alex Gibney, director): Scientology is such a subject of fascination for people...how did you get engaged in the story? Lawrence Wright (author of the book the HBO film is based on): Well, I've always been interested in religions, and why people believe one idea rather than another. I've studied Jonestown and radical Islam, and they're oftentimes good-hearted people, idealistic, but full of a kind of crushing certainty that eliminates doubt. You know, my goal wasn't to write an expose -- it was simply to understand Scientology, trying to understand what people get out of it. You know, why did they go into it in the first place? I was interested in intelligent and skeptical people who were drawn into a belief system and wind up acting on those beliefs in ways they never thought they would. * Onscreen photo of the actual legal contract: SEA ORGANIZATION Contr
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of "Going Clear"
Hey, are you saying that I'm not an active TBer? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We should probably point out that in this discussion group all the active TBs have left to form another discussion group. The only informants left here are a few old guys who got kicked out of the cult over 30 years ago and are still living in the past, still making TMO status claims that can't be supported with any evidence. So, as far as informants, they suck, big time, because they are no longer insiders. Obviously these old guys have not been on a spiritual path for decades. I wouldn't believe anything they say now, after they lied to us for all those years. Where is Judy when we need her? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know that you have no problem with admitting that you committed many years of your life to what you now realize was a cult, Geeze. We both came to that realization at about the same time, back in 1977 or so. What amazes me are the ones who -- 37 years later -- *still* can't look at this documentary, compare "Scientology stories" to "TMO stories," and say, "Check." How far up their asses do they keep their heads to remain this blind, and for this long? From: "geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of "Going Clear" Happened to me too Barry, as you know. Fascinating also to see the various monuments to Elron around the world, as well as the him posing for an artist bust in clay. Monumental (literally) ego of the leader leads to monuments made to said leader: check Large real estate holdings become critically important as cult membership dwindles: check We, and we alone, are the only salvation for planet Earth: check If planet Earth is not saved, it's YOUR fault: check Those who don't believe as we do are categorized as Wogs or non-meditators: check Those who express doubts or question the fundamentals are excommunicated: check I could go of course, but the point is that this can happen to anyone. It happens slowly, over time. Imagine if in TM we were told in our intro lecture that those who want to delve deeper into the practice will learn to "fly', walk through walls, etc. Imagine if in TM we were told in our intro lecture that our mantras literally are the seed form names of vedic gods and that when completed (advanced techniques) we would literally be saying: Most glorious Saraswati, I Bow Down To You Again and Again. (Saraswati used here as an example.) Nope, we learned how to soft sell it in the intro lecture, knowing full well that we are lying through our teeth. Those who bring new recruits into $cientology learn to do the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know that you have no problem with admitting that you committed many years of your life to what you now realize was a cult, Geeze. We both came to that realization at about the same time, back in 1977 or so. What amazes me are the ones who -- 37 years later -- *still* can't look at this documentary, compare "Scientology stories" to "TMO stories," and say, "Check." How far up their asses do they keep their heads to remain this blind, and for this long? From: "geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of "Going Clear" Happened to me too Barry, as you know. Fascinating also to see the various monuments to Elron around the world, as well as the him posing for an artist bust in clay. Monumental (literally) ego of the leader leads to monuments made to said leader: check Large real estate holdings become critically important as cult membership dwindles: check We, and we alone, are the only salvation for planet Earth: check If planet Earth is not saved, it's YOUR fault: check Those who don't believe as we do are categorized as Wogs or non-meditators: check Those who express doubts or question the fundamentals are excommunicated: check I could go of course, but the point is that this can happen to anyone. It happens slowly, over time. Imagine if in TM we were told in our intro lecture that those who want to delve deeper into the practice will learn to "fly', walk through walls, etc. Imagine if in TM we were told in our intro lecture that our mantras literally are the seed form names of vedic gods and that when completed (advanced techniques) we would literally be saying: Most glorious Saraswati, I Bow Down To You Again and Again. (Saraswati used here as an example.) Nope, we learned how to soft sell it in the intro lecture, knowing full well that we are lying through our teeth. Those who bring new recruits into $cientology learn to do the same.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Russell Brand mad enough to crash a plane into a mountain?
Hmmm... I always thought that "capitalism" meant something other than just turning a profit, though it isn't easy to decide when the latter turns into the former, and where the practicality ends and the self-destructive element begins. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That's it? That's all you got out of this video? "Blame fox?" I got the usual overdose of Russell Brand's narcissism. His manic presentation does no one any favours. Do you really (I mean *really*) buy the idea that "capitalism" (aka liberal democracy) is turning people into crackpots who willingly terrorize and murder innocent people, including children? Ask your friends and neighbours what they think of the outrage. They'll react with disgust. Why should they react like that? Why haven't they been infected with the Lubitz curse? Because they get on with their lives and engage with the society around them and try and make use of the opportunities on offer to do something positive for themselves and their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The loony Brand blames Fox News for the tragedy . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCREVmaRaeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCREVmaRaeg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Russell Brand mad enough to crash a plane into a mountain?
That's it? That's all you got out of this video? "Blame fox?" Cheee L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The loony Brand blames Fox News for the tragedy . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCREVmaRaeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCREVmaRaeg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
You DO realize that this means that Brook has no dog in the fight of TM vs whatever? He's so out of touch with the politics that he has pictures of the Dali Lama put on the screen at MUM. Pretty neutral guy, obviously. And so if he comes to a specific conclusion based on looking at the research (e.g. TM is better for the treatment of high blood pressure) it as a disinterested party... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ha ha ha! Love it! Brooks was inspired by the likes of the Dalai Lama and Jiddu Krisnamurti to look into meditation. I bet Schneider's arse drew up when they showed those non-TM guru's on the overhead projector. Wish the camera had panned the audience, but they wisely did not. Have to stop now to order the pizza for Daughter's lunch vittles. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator" TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi University of Management http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, ... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Watch Maharishi University of Management's TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD on Livestream.com. MUM DISTINGUISH... View on new.livestrea... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : post the link to the mum speech please From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator" As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM *does* have a positive effect on BP. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do. They really DO set teh trends and fashions of society. And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all sorts of headlines in business journals. How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In A Fight' http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In... http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 Hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio says he got into meditating 42 years ago because of 'The Beatles.' View on www.busines... http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 Preview by Yahoo The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide GQ addresses transcendental meditation. Should you cross your legs, close your eyes, and join in? View on www.gq.com http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide Preview by Yahoo Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? Hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio thinks so http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? H... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html A string of recent deaths within the banking world have brought global attention to the stressful conditions that financiers work in and around. Large b... View on finance.yahoo... http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html Preview by Yahoo Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firms http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firm... http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ The David Lynch Foundation has been getting an increasing number of calls from Wall Street firms to come and offer its $1,000 intensive course on Transcend... View on money.cnn.com http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I bet you will go to your grave as a TM apologist. You are highlighting one of the PROBLEMS with the TMO - they market to the millionaires to line their own pockets. Few people give a rat's ass how many celebrities and big money people do TM. Just do a bit of research to see what fuck heads the current and former Japanese prime ministers are. Like denying the existence of the Japanese comfort girls in WWII? And denying allegations of illegal funding to his political party.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi University of Management http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, ... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Watch Maharishi University of Management's TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD on Livestream.com. MUM DISTINGUISH... View on new.livestrea... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : post the link to the mum speech please From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator" As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM *does* have a positive effect on BP. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
Ummm. You keep on posting and I keep on responding. I'm posting positive stuff about TM here and on reddit. And who told you I was banned from the entire website? I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall. By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade? The fact that the DLF is negotiating with the United Nations concerning training UN workers to be TM teachers? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM *does* have a positive effect on BP. You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been banned from Reddit again?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
You're aware that all TM teachers teach the same way, and more than likely some of the recerted teachers work for the DLF? I mean, Bobby Roth goes to teh Hamptons and lectures to billionaires and is introduced on national TV as "Meditation Bob, meditation teacher to teh stars." You have more problem with TM teachers than other people it seems. Rupert Murdoch tweeted about learning TM last year, and numerous prominent people have learned TM recently without making a big deal about how cultish the TMO is. And of course, both the current and a former Prime Minister of Japan are both TMers, having learned it from the head of the Japanese TM organization 25 years ago. It's really quite fascinating how uncomfortable people on Fairfield Life are with the idea that most people simply don't CARE about things like 5 minute initiation ceremonies, and the like. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In practicality, That an availability is 'limited' through re-certified teachers, MJ in writing his usual mean and aggressive negativity here raises a valid point within it in offering these excerpts from the J. Am. Heart Association memo. Limited availability is one thing, but further I also run in to a corollary fact that a general public also does not necessarily like going in to the Peace Palaces for learning TM. Possibly this is what the memo is also driving at. ..Way too much carry-on baggage with TM. From the J.AmHeart Association memo: “..TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of recommendation concerning TM..” Evidently contact with the tru-believer re-certified side of the movement is too obviously odd, setting off cult-radar 'warnings' in many who may go near. This is a cultural thing. Though culturally modified the David Lynch Foundation side of TM is more extra-territorial or secular to the re-cert side or strict movement certified facilities that present a whole glossy panoply of TM Vedic things. The whole vedic thing evidently seems too much cult-like Scientology today as cult. That can evidently can be worked with as with the good work of the DLF. -Buck, a transcendent meditator in Fairfield, Iowa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases. And a few other excerpts from the letter: "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites covering a population of ≈2 million people We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP" Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but right down the middle." From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator" In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend alternative therapies for hypertension. When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.n
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As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM *does* have a positive effect on BP. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases. And a few other excerpts from the letter: "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites covering a population of ≈2 million people We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP" Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but right down the middle." From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator" In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend alternative therapies for hypertension. When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print] View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 Preview by Yahoo When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said: We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among meditation techniques for BP-lowering http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true. They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I wonder?
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Did you miss that the AHA accepted, without dispute, the claim that TM reduces DEATH by 48% over 5 years in Black Americans with cardiac disease? Ball-squeezing may have more effect on BP, but TM's effects on overall mortality go beyond simple lowering of BP. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend alternative therapies for hypertension. When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print] View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 Preview by Yahoo When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said: We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among meditation techniques for BP-lowering But not as good as squeezing a rubber ball for 10 minutes I seem to remember. And that's the trouble really, using research like that to claim that TM is the best thing for something when it isn't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true. They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I wonder?
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In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend alternative therapies for hypertension. When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print] View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 Preview by Yahoo When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said: We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among meditation techniques for BP-lowering http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true. They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I wonder?
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Interesting perspective, and there may be some truth to it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lawson is IMO a perfect example of the reason the TMO does "research." Contrary to popular opinion, the research is NOT done to convince non-meditators of the efficacy of the meditation technique in order to sell TM to more new people. Nay, IMO the research is for the *existing* TMers who have been doing it for years *without any real experiences to speak of*. Unwilling to face this fact and maybe try some other technique that might actually deliver on its promises, they cling to the "research" and believe that if *others* are experiencing all of this cool stuff, then they should keep on keepin' on themselves. The TM "research" is to hold on to the organization's "base" and keep them following the carrot.
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This ignores the fact that when Benson asked the Dalai Lama for an intro to BUddhist practitioners of levitation, all he got were people hopping like a frog. But Buddhist Hopping Like a Frog is special, while TM Hopping Like a Frog isn't. It's always amusing to see people bring up issues that it is obvious they are guilty of and accuse someone else of being guilty of that same thing. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So now you're saying that the Yogic Flyers aren't really "hopping like a frog?" Forget all that. My new guru has taught me that walking fast is the first stage in running through the light barrier. I'm just going to huff and puff to the cafe and test it out. Just think, one day I'll get there before my grandfather was born. I wonder what the future will be like, disappointing maybe? I just can't participate in any of this any more...it's just too embarrassing for Lawson. I mean, here is a guy who has never in his life had the curiosity to even *try* some other form of meditation other than TM, and he's trying to sell the pseudo-science that was created to keep him believing that TM was the "best" form of meditation. It's like someone waving their kindergarten coloring book at you and claiming it's the most advanced textbook on physics ever written. I love how convinced he is about it. Probably got that from Marshy, he always sounded like he knew what he was talking about just because he seemed convinced himself.
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Does the term "simile" mean anything to you? "Moving along the ground as a frog jumps" probably doesn't mean your legs turn green, but that you move in a series of short hops, or so I would interpret it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Absolutely! The Dome but-bouncers can even come close to the hopping of real frogs. Refer to the websites on the frog-jumping contests at the Calaveras County fair. One site shows Larry the Cable Guy holding one of the champion frogs. Larry would'nt be caught dead in the Domes.
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So now you're saying that the Yogic Flyers aren't really "hopping like a frog?" Hmmm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But the dome but-bouncers haven't even gotten to the first (frog-hopping) stage, so it's more a matter of objectivity rather than rudeness. .. As far as even close to being credible, (imo) a good second hand account would be the chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi on the levitating Saint (a practitioner of Kriya Yoga). There are other accounts of Kriya Yogin levitators besides Yogananda's. .. In any event, the Traditions of a. Kriya Yoga and b. Christianity; may be good candidates for exploring possible examples of true levitation (hovering); in contrast to the TM Tradition which is a dud.
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Responses embedded following your text in the old school way of responding... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : [...] Meditation may reduce death, heart attack and stroke in heart patients Meditation and Heart Health http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/More/MyHeartandStrokeNews/Meditation-and-Heart-Disease-Stroke_UCM_452930_Article.jsp (another AHA page) http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/More/MyHeartandStrokeNews/Meditation-and-Heart-Disease-Stroke_UCM_452930_Article.jsp Meditation and Heart Health http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/More/MyHeartandStrokeNews/Meditation-and-Heart-Disease-Stroke_UCM_452930_Article.jsp Lower stress, cardiovascular disease risk by meditating. Taking a few minutes to relax each day could help you lower your risks of cardiovascular disease. View on www.heart.org http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/More/MyHeartandStrokeNews/Meditation-and-Heart-Disease-Stroke_UCM_452930_Article.jsp Preview by Yahoo On the other hand, the only long-term study on mindfulness and high blood pressure I know of explicitly says that the effects of mindfulness on blood pressure go away after 2 or 3 years. What were the effects of the follow up on the TM study? I don't know, by the way. The 2012 study they refer to WAS the followup: Meditation may reduce death, heart attack and stroke in heart patients | American Heart Association http://newsroom.heart.org/news/meditation-may-reduce-death-heart-240647 http://newsroom.heart.org/news/meditation-may-reduce-death-heart-240647 Meditation may reduce death, heart attack and stroke in ... http://newsroom.heart.org/news/meditation-may-reduce-death-heart-240647 Study Highlights: Twice-a-day Transcendental Meditation helped African Americans with heart disease reduce risk of death, heart attack and stroke. Medit... View on newsroom.hea... http://newsroom.heart.org/news/meditation-may-reduce-death-heart-240647 Preview by Yahoo African Americans with heart disease who practiced Transcendental Meditation regularly were 48 percent less likely to have a heart attack http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/HeartAttack/Heart-Attack_UCM_001092_SubHomePage.jsp, stroke http://www.strokeassociation.org/STROKEORG/AboutStroke/About-Stroke_UCM_308529_SubHomePage.jsp or die from all causes compared with African Americans who attended a health education class over more than five years, according to new research published in the American Heart Association journal Circulation: Cardiovascular Quality and Outcomes. [...] Fred Travis has published physiological research on 17 people in CC and tells me that he has found at least 51 new CC subjects for a new physiological study on CC that he's doing. Anyone who wants 'enlightenment' really should aim a bit higher than CC, or 'glorified ignorance' as M said. CC is pretty common these days with so many meditators from various traditions having practised for many decades. I remain unconvinced of that. Many different states can be described the same way, and yet have completely different physiological correlates. CC, for example, seems to depend on strengthening the connections between the parts of the brain thought to be responsible for sense-of-self (which typically is associated in scientific literature with mind-wandering and aimless thoughts) without associating any specific mental activity with the connectivity between the regions of the brain responsible for sense-of-self. The "Self" in CC is just what everyone else calls "self," but without the ongoing mental stuff that clouds the issue about what Self really is or isn't. Other practices actually reduce connectivity between these same parts of the brain, and are held (by the scientists reporting the fact) to be reducing sense-of-self. And state that can be interpreted to sound like CC obviously isn't teh same thing as "self" goes away as a result of these practices. And as far as the claim that Unity isn't involved goes, I simplified Fred's papesr. He asked people who had Self present 24 hours per day, to describe "their self" and made physiological measures and correlated them with the response to the question and to other psychological measures. The only criterion was that Self was present 24 hours a day, including during deep sleep, continuously for at least a year. He didn't try to screen OUT people who were in "higher" states than CC. Here's teh response to the question "Describe your self" given by various "enlightened" subjects. Note that CC, GC, and UC-like responses were given by various people, but with only 17 subjects total, it wasn't possible to do sub-group analysis, so there's no way to say what physiological correlates there were for CC vs GC vs UC, if indeed there are any such distinctions to be found: Physiological correlates: http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpres
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Lots of people enjoy piling onto Maharishi about "hopping like a frog" being the first stage of Yogic Flying, with a latter stage being levitation, but as I pointed out, the _Shiva Samhita_ describes levitation as coming in various stages, including moving along the ground as a " frog jumps" (around verse 45ish I think) so this isn't something MMY made up. As well, when Herbert Benson wanted to investigate paranormal claims about meditation, he asked the Dalai Lama about it and was sent to a remote region of Tibet as he describes in his book: Timeless Healing by Herbert Benson https://books.google.com/books?id=jpLwDJppxqQC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=%22relaxation+response%22+levitation&source=bl&ots=Yq4zV4heN7&sig=50UtshUT0ja6FxxUL-D3zekXarc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Gmr_VLCLC8nuoASAyYHQBQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22relaxation%20response%22%20levitation&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=jpLwDJppxqQC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=%22relaxation+response%22+levitation&source=bl&ots=Yq4zV4heN7&sig=50UtshUT0ja6FxxUL-D3zekXarc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Gmr_VLCLC8nuoASAyYHQBQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22relaxation%20response%22%20levitation&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=jpLwDJppxqQC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=%22relaxation+response%22+levitation&source=bl&ots=Yq4zV4heN7&sig=50UtshUT0ja6FxxUL-D3zekXarc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Gmr_VLCLC8nuoASAyYHQBQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22relaxation%20response%22%20levitation&f=false ...On other expeditions, my colleagues and I tried to confirm legendary reports that Tibetan monks levitate, rising and hovering above the ground during meditation. But when we were allwed to view the levitation of monks in the mountain hamlet of Chail, it appeared only to be an act of considerable physical agility in which monks, leg-locked in lotus position, sprang several inches off the floor. They did not hover. I was told through a translator that the sages of old had done so. When I asked, "Is it possible today?" the monk replied, with a twinkle in his eye," There is no need. Today we have airplanes." And, I should point out that the subjects for Fred Travis' study on the psychological and physiological correlates of enlightenment were mostly drawn from long-term participants in teh Invincible America course. The average foam time was about 15,000 hours. Further, the EEG of the TM-Sidhis, including Yogic Flying when hopping isn't involved, is TM-like, but with more coherence in non-alpha frequencies -in other words, more CC-like. So mocking people who sit on the foam in the Domes for years is an expression of both rudeness AND ignorance (of course those often go hand-in-hand). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : [...] If we were to discover meditation tomorrow and start the nomenclature all over again would we still go for a unified field/"pure" consciousness/vedic infinity kind of approach? I think not. The emphasis would be mostly on what use it might possibly have, and that would be based on evidence and not the wild claims of the reesh. It would be a good project as we could disabuse people of the idea that it's something to do with physics from the get-go and thus remove a lot of tricksy cash cows from organisations like the TMO and also stop a lot of people spending all their lives sitting in domes waiting to fly and create a non-existent peace-field when they could be doing something they might be more proud of in later life. Would it be as much fun though?
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This might be Maharishi's distinction between little-t transcending, where the mind is diverted from thinking the mantra and back on thoughts even though pure consciousness never occured, vs Big-T Transcending, aka "pure consciousness" aka "pure awareness," where all perception of any kind has ceased, leaving the brain in an alert mode without any object of attention to be alert about. There's a switch between the inward and outward "strokes" of meditation, with no object-less situation between. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to Comans, samadhi has two stages: samprajana samadhi - enstasis where there is still object-consciousness; and, nirvikalpasamadhi - where there is no longer any object-consciousness. "The purpose of yogic meditation is to *isolate* bodily fluctuations and pass into samprajana samadhi, hence to total isolation of mental fluctuations and then to pass into nirvakalpasamadhi where the Self is not hidden by external conditions of the body or the mind (citta)." 'The question of the importance of Samadhi in modern and classical Advaita Vedanta' by Michael Comans http://buddhism.lib.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/comans.htm http://buddhism.lib.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/comans.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't know where the debate started, but my point was that two different groups are using the same two words in different ways: TMers equote "pure awareness"Back https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages with "pure consciousness" with "transcendental consciousness" with samadhi, which is a state devoid of any perception The passage on mindfulness equoted "pure awareness" to an advanced form of mindfulness called "open monitoring" where one is equally receptive to all stimuli. "Devoid of stimuli" is not eqivalent to "equally receptive to all stimuli" except in the trivial sense that if there are zero stimuli, that one is equally receptive to all of them. However, the phrase clarifying what "pure awareness" means in the context of "open monitoring" explicitly refers to perception of pain, so "pure awareness" ala open monitoring is NOT a state "devoid of any perception." That was my only point: two different groups are using the same two-word phrase to describe different situations. Which group is using the words "correctly" is a point that I never raised: I merely pointed out that two different groups are saying "pure awareness" and the meaning is quite different: devoid of any perception as compared to open to experience without making any attempt to interpret, change, reject or ignore painful sensation. And the implication for me is that once you mistake the label for what is being talked about, confusion follows. Nashville, Florida is NOT Nashville, Tennessee, and if you seek the Grand Ole Opry in the former, you're going to be looking for a ticket seller to a concert for a very long time indeed. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I honestly think that many folks on this forum are far less interested in finding "truth" than they are in asserting that the TM organization holds the copyright to the word. This whole thread, after all, was started because someone essentially claimed that the TMO had the right to define what "pure consciousness" is. Right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We were debating? Hmmm. My argument: TM leads to a different style of physiological functioning than mindfulness does, and so, to claim that they are spiritually identical doesn't make sense, if you by Maharishi's theory that spirituality is based on the physical functioning of the nervous system. Anartaxius' argument: No it doesn't, and research isn't good enough to show differences, and even if they DO show differences, it doesn't matter. So there. L [...] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You can only measure what y ou have the equipment to measure. However, it's a truism that just because two things can be described teh same way at one level, doesn't mean that they are identifical. My favorite example is what happened to some British friends many decades ago... They got a sweetheart travel package to visit Nashville. Nashville, Florida, that is. Just because you can describe a city as "Nashville" doesn't mean it is the Nashville you were hoping to visit. Unfortunately, they actually got on the plane and landed before they discovered their mistake. The moral is: a label, "pure awareness," that is described as being "without thought," might not be referring to the same thing between two different meditation traditions. A two-word phrase may not provide you enough info to make a rationale choice any more than just knowing the name of the city without knowing the state it is in is enough to make rationale trav
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
I don't know where the debate started, but my point was that two different groups are using the same two words in different ways: TMers equote "pure awareness"Back https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages with "pure consciousness" with "transcendental consciousness" with samadhi, which is a state devoid of any perception The passage on mindfulness equoted "pure awareness" to an advanced form of mindfulness called "open monitoring" where one is equally receptive to all stimuli. "Devoid of stimuli" is not eqivalent to "equally receptive to all stimuli" except in the trivial sense that if there are zero stimuli, that one is equally receptive to all of them. However, the phrase clarifying what "pure awareness" means in the context of "open monitoring" explicitly refers to perception of pain, so "pure awareness" ala open monitoring is NOT a state "devoid of any perception." That was my only point: two different groups are using the same two-word phrase to describe different situations. Which group is using the words "correctly" is a point that I never raised: I merely pointed out that two different groups are saying "pure awareness" and the meaning is quite different: devoid of any perception as compared to open to experience without making any attempt to interpret, change, reject or ignore painful sensation. And the implication for me is that once you mistake the label for what is being talked about, confusion follows. Nashville, Florida is NOT Nashville, Tennessee, and if you seek the Grand Ole Opry in the former, you're going to be looking for a ticket seller to a concert for a very long time indeed. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I honestly think that many folks on this forum are far less interested in finding "truth" than they are in asserting that the TM organization holds the copyright to the word. This whole thread, after all, was started because someone essentially claimed that the TMO had the right to define what "pure consciousness" is. Right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We were debating? Hmmm. My argument: TM leads to a different style of physiological functioning than mindfulness does, and so, to claim that they are spiritually identical doesn't make sense, if you by Maharishi's theory that spirituality is based on the physical functioning of the nervous system. Anartaxius' argument: No it doesn't, and research isn't good enough to show differences, and even if they DO show differences, it doesn't matter. So there. L [...] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You can only measure what y ou have the equipment to measure. However, it's a truism that just because two things can be described teh same way at one level, doesn't mean that they are identifical. My favorite example is what happened to some British friends many decades ago... They got a sweetheart travel package to visit Nashville. Nashville, Florida, that is. Just because you can describe a city as "Nashville" doesn't mean it is the Nashville you were hoping to visit. Unfortunately, they actually got on the plane and landed before they discovered their mistake. The moral is: a label, "pure awareness," that is described as being "without thought," might not be referring to the same thing between two different meditation traditions. A two-word phrase may not provide you enough info to make a rationale choice any more than just knowing the name of the city without knowing the state it is in is enough to make rationale travel plans. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
Here is Maharishi's take on teh scientific study of meditation. Note that he is talking about human consciousness here, not the ground state of natural law, aka brahman. That is referred to as that wholeness of life which is present everywhere. "Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable." -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi And so, you can assert that "pure awareness," ala open monitoring is the same as "pure awareness" ala TM, is the same thing, but that isn't supportable by the words that clarify what "pure awareness" means in the context of the original passage. The question of whether or not mindfulness leads to the same "place" as TM isn't even being addressed here, as my point was simply that the phrase "pure awareness" is being used in a different way than when TMers use it as a synonym for samadhi. as I said originally: What they call pure awareness is not what TMers call pure awareness. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Here is a question: If we assume there is a human experience-able ground state to the universe (i.e., enlightenment), and different meditation systems claim this can be experienced, is the result the experience of the same ground state with different flavours of the experience due to the differences in physiological state, or is the result the experience of two different ground states due to the differences of physiological state? If the former, what is the nature of truth if it is not an identical experience, and if the latter, if there are two different truths, what does that say about truth? There could be no human experience-able ground state without us being the ground state. And this is in fact what Marshy claimed, which is a long way from Lawson's claim that spirituality is based on the physical functioning of the nervous system. If the state of "pure" consciousness was some sort of ground state then you'd expect it to be the same when accessed via different types of meditation etc. This it clearly is not, and I'm talking from experience. So obviously it's a rare neurological state and not anything to do with physics. What I think happened is this: we have a fascinating experience via meditation that gives us the impression that we are unbounded and infinite in some fundamental way. So a huge mythos has evolved around these states of mind but it's the meditational trip-outs that came first. We recognise the description of the experience and we have no way of gainsaying the teacher due to his/her presumed affinity with this stuff and get drawn in further until we can't separate the two things. If we were to discover meditation tomorrow and start the nomenclature all over again would we still go for a unified field/"pure" consciousness/vedic infinity kind of approach? I think not. The emphasis would be mostly on what use it might possibly have, and that would be based on evidence and not the wild claims of the reesh. It would be a good project as we could disabuse people of the idea that it's something to do with physics from the get-go and thus remove a lot of tricksy cash cows from organisations like the TMO and also stop a lot of people spending all their lives sitting in domes waiting to fly and create a non-existent peace-field when they could be doing something they might be more proud of in later life. Would it be as much fun though?
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
We were debating? Hmmm. My argument: TM leads to a different style of physiological functioning than mindfulness does, and so, to claim that they are spiritually identical doesn't make sense, if you by Maharishi's theory that spirituality is based on the physical functioning of the nervous system. Anartaxius' argument: No it doesn't, and research isn't good enough to show differences, and even if they DO show differences, it doesn't matter. So there. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Anartaxius, really great quotes for this debate. This is some of your best writing here in style: clear, precise and shortly said as a knock-out punch delivered. Thanks, yes their assumptions and own minds clearly are a problem these spock-like guys have for this thing as they try in method to do the big put-down of all other meditations, other than TM. "..by verbal mental reductionism." An irony in this whole thing though that they try to do with co-opting meditation is that their TM-sidhis, the TM-Ved and Physiology practice, and several of the advanced TM-techniques are mindfulness by way nature in practice anyway. In the heart of the body-mind complex of it all, what is going on in cultivated spiritual meditation evidently is a lot more than alpha-global-coherence, that global-alpha-coherence may even have little to do with what is going on underneath. JaiGuruYou, -Buck, sitting in pure-awareness meditation prior to going out to check the sheep and do chores. Clover and rye are sown ready for spring rains. Life in the body. Rain likely, mainly before 10am. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible. anartaxius@...> writes: Quotation J. Krishnamurti | (no date) "When we stop fighting with ourselves, we aren't creating anymore conflict in our mind. Then our mind can for the first time relax and be still. Then for the first time our consciousness can become whole and unfragmented. Then total attention can be given to all of our thoughts and feelings. And then there will be found a gentleness and a goodness in us that can embrace all that is been given in the world. Then a deep love for everything will be the result of this deep attention. For this total attention, this soft and pure consciousness that we are, is nothing but love itself." (Note that he is talking about this while being awake and in activity) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was quoting comments on research to indicate that relying on research with the present level of quality is a fool's game. You are making the assumption that 'pure consciousness' is a specific meditative state instead of the ground of experience which includes what TM calls 'the relative' and this includes CC where pure consciousness is coincident with active experience, and Unity where the objects of experience are known as 'pure consciousness'. Whether you say the self expands to Self (TM) or whether you say the self vanishes and is replaced by the totality (mindfulness) makes no difference as they are the same thing expressed from opposite points of view. The individual sense of ego gets subsumed by a larger quality of experience, and it really matters not what it is called, because there is not real definition for it that does not imply limitation by verbal mental reductionism. I quoted Krishnamurti because Maharishi specifically said he was in Unity. And true, probably few or none ever got enlightened by him because he just popped in, and never really knew how it happened, but you are welcome to point out those whom Maharishi enlightened (that is, that are in unity, not CC). More comments below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Can you point me to contemporary mindfulness essays or research on contemporary mindfulness practitioners where they describe a situation where there is no thought, no mantra, no awareness of the outside world, no awareness of the body, no emotion, no intuition, no memory, no mind content of any kind, and yet the meditator is still somehow awake? Also, mindfulness practices tend to disrupt the sense of self, as has been reported in quite a few modern studies on practitioners. In fact, researchers note that mind-wandering simply does not happen in long-term practitioners and count this a good thing: they note quite happily, that mindfulness reduces activity and interactions between the parts of the brain thought to be responsible for sense of self. TM, on the other hand, is taught in terms of allowing the mind to wander, and physiological research shows that the same activity and interactions that mindfulness reduces, TM enhances. Interestingly enough, this review article, "Towards a neuroscience of mind-wandering" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3112331/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3112331/) notes specifically th
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
I wouldn't say "no thought = no thinker" nor would I say the opposite... How could "you" know? However, even if there's no way to examine the non-existent internal landscape of someone while in the PC state, we can look at the physiological correlates, and they are quire interesting. Analysis of EEG implies that the resting state networks, especially the default mode network, is quite active, while other parts of the brain are not as active. Further, the mind-wanderign mode and PC seem to be very related, and the activity of the parts of the brain most associated with sense-of-self seem to be very active during PC. And, outside of meditation, as the EEG starts to become more like that found during PC, we find that sense-of-self becomes stronger, but not associated with any "thing." All of this seems to support the traditional view that PC, AKA _samadhi_, is the state where observer, observed and process of observation have merged, leaving only the quality of observer, by Itself. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for posting this sparaig. This is one of my hobby horses. Pure consciousness is precisely awareness without any thought, image or sensation. And no thought = no thinker. Robert K C Forman (a TM practitioner) has written on this topic, including The Problem of Pure Consciousness: Mysticism and Philosophy and (a better choice) Mysticism, Mind, Consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolls eyes. You can force silence by distracting the mind and diverting resources away from the verbal centers or you can allow the mind to become more calm until silence is everywhere. Pure consciousness during TM is no mantra, no thought, no body awareness, no intuition, no emotion, no memory, no sensory awareness of any kind, not just "no verbal thoughts." It occurs spontaneously, not at beck and call, and is accompanies by higher levels of alpha coherence in the frontal lobes, along with increased skin resistance, abrupt decrease i heart rate as well as an apparent cessation of breathing or at least abrupt drop in breath rate. It's hard to miss when you hook someone up to the right equipment, but what they found when the examined the woman who most consistently showed these signs, while using the most sophisticated eqiupment, was that she didn't notice the existence of the state, only the transition *out of* the state. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No mantra-No thought Sounds the same. It is a correct experience of the practice of TM (second night checking) and evidently Mindfulness too Pure Awareness. # ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What they call pure awareness is not what TMers call pure awareness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : [Scientific American article by Matthieu Ricard, Antoine Lutz, and Richard J. Davidson, Nov. 2014, p. 43] "In our Wisconsin lab, we have studied experienced practioners while they performed an advanced form of mindfulness meditation called open presence. In open presence, sometimes called "pure awareness", the mind is calm and relaxed, not focused on anything in particular yet vividly clear, free from excitation or dullness. The meditator observes and is open to experience without making any attempt to interpret, change, reject or ignore painful sensation" ...[the experimenters somehow induced some pain to experienced meditators, then compared the results to novices.] ."We found that the intensity o0f the pain was not reduced in meditators, but it bothered them less than it did members of a control group". . "Compared with novices, expert meditators' brain activity diminished in anxiety related regions - the insular cortex and the amygdala - in the period preceding the painful stimulus." . "Other tests in our lab have shown that meditation training increases one's ability to better control and buffer basic physiological responses - inflammation or levels of a stress hormone - to a socially stressful task such as giving a public speech or doing mental arithmetic in front of a harsh jury." . ".
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
Can you point me to contemporary mindfulness essays or research on contemporary mindfulness practitioners where they describe a situation where there is no thought, no mantra, no awareness of the outside world, no awareness of the body, no emotion, no intuition, no memory, no mind content of any kind, and yet the meditator is still somehow awake? Also, mindfulness practices tend to disrupt the sense of self, as has been reported in quite a few modern studies on practitioners. In fact, researchers note that mind-wandering simply does not happen in long-term practitioners and count this a good thing: they note quite happily, that mindfulness reduces activity and interactions between the parts of the brain thought to be responsible for sense of self. TM, on the other hand, is taught in terms of allowing the mind to wander, and physiological research shows that the same activity and interactions that mindfulness reduces, TM enhances. Interestingly enough, this review article, "Towards a neuroscience of mind-wandering" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3112331/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3112331/) notes specifically that mind-wandering is essential for "sense of self" according to modern neuroscience theories, so to claim that mindfulness leads to the same kind of enlightenment as TM, where sense-of-self is perceived as the basis of all reality, is kinda odd: mindfulness disrupts the very foundation of such a perspective. Finally, citing that Scientific America citing a wikipedia page is hilarious (the text 'unknown/unclear/uncertain or not well-established' appears nowhere in the original article, even though it is quoted as though it does, so we know that the author cut and paste from wikipedia rather than reading the actual scientific statement from the American Heart Association). The quoted text is from an image included with the article to help explain what different wordings could be used for which category. In the case of Level IIB, the added words referred to comparison with Level IIA or higher and had no other meaning in context. As well, the SA author's points are even more out of date 2 years later, as a new review of research on TM and high blood pressure was published at the start of this year, lending further support to the idea that TM does have a consistent effect on high blood pressure. Investigating the effect of transcendental meditation on blood pressure: a systematic review and meta-analysis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25673114 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25673114 On the other hand, the only long-term study on mindfulness and high blood pressure I know of explicitly says that the effects of mindfulness on blood pressure go away after 2 or 3 years. Effects of stress reduction on cardiovascular risk factors in type 2 diabetes patients with early kidney disease - results of a randomized controlled trial (HEIDIS). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21713118 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21713118 "...Parallel to the reduction of stress levels after 1 year, the intervention-group additionally showed reduced catecholamine levels (p < 0.05), improved 24 h-mean arterial (p < 0.05) and maximum systolic blood pressure (p < 0.01), as well as a reduction in IMT (p < 0.01). However, these effects were lost after 2 and 3 years of follow-up." As far as J Krishnamurti goes, how many people became enlightened by listening to him? Fred Travis has published physiological research on 17 people in CC and tells me that he has found at least 51 new CC subjects for a new physiological study on CC that he's doing. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People practising mindfulness (Vipassana) meditation appear to describe pure consciousness as a result as much as those practising TM, though, from what I have read of peoples' experiences, perhaps not quite so soon after starting meditation as TM practitioners. Perhaps part of the difficulty in discerning 'pure consciousness' is traditions other than TM do not seem to regard 'pure consciousness' as something separate from waking experience, they regard it as simultaneous with waking (as in CC) or as the essential aspect of waking experience (unity), while TM philosophy tends to separate it out as a sequential development of experiences. People learning mindfulness do seem to take a bit longer to experience settled meditations than those practising TM, but if we look at end results (enlightenment — Brahman in TM-speak) there does not seem to be a great distinguishing factor between them. There does not seem to be useful research allowing us to tell more specifically. If meditation is a valuable resource for life, perhaps the focus could be on what works best for people on an individual basis rather than on the particular system one is enamoured of because it is the only one that was tried. For improvi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to empty 100 million wallets
You may be correct. WIth negotiations going on with the United Nations, the governments of Brazil and Peru, various NGOs, etc., the flaws you metnion will certainly come to light very fast and sink any such plans. On the other hand, what if they negotiations actually go through Will you rethink your attitude or will you simply assume that all the people involved have somehow missed the facts that you say are irrefutable and totally daming? L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I forgot to mention, I have in fact looked at facts, many of them presented here on FFL. And not just those stories posted by Sal, Curtis and Barry. I perused the archives of FFL since its inception and those things I found, posted by many who no longer post here, along with my personal experiences, and my conversations with some people who grew up in the Movement plus my own common sense has lead me to the inescapable conclusion that TM is not the fabulous technique it is billed as being, Marshy was a brilliant orator and businessman and a lair, con artist and fraud all at the same time, TM in many cases and circumstances is actually dangerous to those who practice it, and the Movement itself is an utterly fake and fraudulent organization. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 11:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to empty 100 million wallets This is excellent news, although of course it is not much use directing it to Turquoise B or MJ, neither of whom, despite their protestations to the contrary, is remotely interested in the truth. They actually remind me of political zealots, like the right-wing Republicans who oppose everything Obama says or does simply because it is Obama. There is no thought process involved, no analysis, just blind ideology and a willful, determined ignorance of the facts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ha ha. But did you read the article? A little more background: after the DLF published the 2 pilot studies on how TM affects PTSD in war refugees in Africa, they received inquiries from various groups tasked with handling the ongoing Disaster-that-is-Africa. [Basically, 100 million Africans are thought to have PTSD, so anything that offers such rapid relief to what is probably the foundational cause of much of the cycle of violence and greed in the region would be a Very Good Thing™] And so. these organizations wanted to know 1) how fast could the DLF's Africn PTSD Relief project http://www.ptsdreliefnow.org/the-research.html http://www.ptsdreliefnow.org/the-research.html be scaled up to reach all of Africa? and 2) how much would it cost? And so, the DLF is acting as middle man between the TM organization and the United Nations and other groups to negotiate a deal to train relief workers as TM teachers. The UN workers would continue to be employees of the UN and would teach TM for free, much the same way that the DLF does in public schools. I don't know any of the financial details, but I'm sure that that is what the negotiations are about. By the way, none of these groups would dream of shelling out what will eventually be very large sums of money without doing their own research on TM and PTSD in the target populations and the first of these independently conducted studies has been submitted for review. I'm told it isn't nearly as dramatic as the DLF-funded studies, as it shows that it takes TWO months of TM practice for 90% of the PTSD subjects to become non-symptomatic, rather than only one month. Even so, the results of this and other studies in the pipeline are remarkable enough that the DLF is now projecting that by the end of 2018, ten million people will learn TM for free, taught by government and relief workers trained as TM teachers, teaching TM as part of their job description for their current employer. That will include relief workers, school counselors, prison guards and so on. So your little title change isn't relevant: the UN, should their own research justify it, would be paying for their own people to teach TM. The TM organization would be simply acting as a training and accreditation organization (with whatever details are required to make it work for both parties). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You seem to have mistyped the Subject line, so I corrected it for you. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 4:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade. http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=S
Re: [FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade.
As I pointed out to Unc, should the projects happen as intended, it would be the United Nations and teh disaster relief NGOs (not to mention the governments of Brazil, Peru, and other countries negotiating to have their own employees trained as TM teachers) that would be paying for TM instruction. The TM organization would be serving as a training and accreditation organization. How they will work out details so that national-level organizations can handle the ongoing needs of 100 million new meditators is also obviously a consideration, but it is in the best interests of the relief agencies that might be involved to ensure that there is ongoing support for TM at the local level, so the negotiations should be relatively smooth -assuming that such organizations determine that TM is worth teaching, then obviously it is worth ensuring that people continue to practice it once the disaster is over, so it is in their best interest to see that there is a viable followup program available for new TMers after they leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You know Americans are going to have to subsidize the cost to teach 100 million. I guess they can up the American initiation fee and make recertified teachers get recertified again. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade. http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story Autoloading is not working but the link seems to be valid. All in the mind The David Lynch Foundation helps people overcome extreme stress by using the power of meditation. Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade. Julie Cramer talks to co-founder Bob Roth to find out more David Lynch is at the centre of much media attention of late as he starts filming a conclusion to cult TV series Twin Peaks after a 25 year break. The US director is famous for his surrealist style in films such as The Elephant Man, Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead. What many people may not know, is that he’s also a firm believer in the beneficial power of transcendental meditation. He says: “I started transcendental meditation in 1973 and have not missed a single meditation ever since. Twice a day, every day. It has given me effortless access to unlimited reserves of energy, creativity and happiness deep within.” After a chance meeting with fellow practitioner Bob Roth a decade ago, the pair started the David Lynch Foundation and have since helped hundreds of thousands of at-risk people using this form of meditation. Here Roth, the co-founder and executive director of the foundation, talks about its aim to help 100 million people in the next decade. Given the current surge in interest in mindfulness, now is the perfect time for spas to get involved he says. What’s the main purpose of the David Lynch Foundation? We’re a non-profit organisation, founded in 2005 by the film director David Lynch, dedicated to making transcendental meditation (TM) accessible to many different areas of the population. In the beginning, our focus was on helping at-risk children in low income urban schools to cope with the extreme stresses that they were facing. In less than 10 years, we’ve touched the lives of more than 500,000 students. Over time, our work has spread to a wider range of people, from the homeless to victims of domestic violence, war veterans with post traumatic stress disorder and HIV/AIDS sufferers. How did you meet David Lynch? I was organising a TM conference and David Lynch, who had been practising TM for around 30 years, was invited to attend. He heard the horror stories about at-risk youth – of kids who witnessed and experienced domestic violence and gangland shootings and were then expected to go to school and learn algebra. The idea of the foundation was born from this meeting and we created it soon after. How does TM differ from other forms of meditation? According to science, there are three basic approaches to meditation. The first is called ‘focused attention’, where you attempt to actively control your thoughts, clear your mind, or focus on your breath. This produces the gamma brainwaves that are associated with peak concentration. The second is ‘open monitoring’ which includes many mindfulness techniques, where you learn to observe your thoughts or emotions dispassionately. This produces theta brainwaves, which are very slow and present during the REM stages of sleep. Thirdly is ‘automatic self transcending’, which is transcendental meditation, where you learn to effortlessly transcend conscious thinking to achieve a profound state of calm,
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
You can only measure what y ou have the equipment to measure. However, it's a truism that just because two things can be described teh same way at one level, doesn't mean that they are identifical. My favorite example is what happened to some British friends many decades ago... They got a sweetheart travel package to visit Nashville. Nashville, Florida, that is. Just because you can describe a city as "Nashville" doesn't mean it is the Nashville you were hoping to visit. Unfortunately, they actually got on the plane and landed before they discovered their mistake. The moral is: a label, "pure awareness," that is described as being "without thought," might not be referring to the same thing between two different meditation traditions. A two-word phrase may not provide you enough info to make a rationale choice any more than just knowing the name of the city without knowing the state it is in is enough to make rationale travel plans. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Great quotes. The TM researchers and movement seem quite desperate to prove a negative, even if they don't experience it. So, they co-opt the discussion by defining their particular alpha-coherence as the definition of a transcendence. That makes it real easy to win an argument between meditation practices. The question remains still as to whether the TM'ers with all their investment in fancy equipment are close to measuring the right thing. Evidently spirituality is way more than alpha-wave-coherence. They obviously are not able to measure what all is going on with a spirituality of a soul in the whole body-mind complex, commonly referred to as embodying the spiritual heart-being. Is that why TM'er are commonly thought of as heartless and in the head? 'Spock-like'? There was a longer thread on this over at The_Peak recently. The Peak https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3393 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3393 The Peak https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3393 The Peak is an ongoing conversation about our journey as human beings, upwards towards the pinnacle, and fulfillment of our existence; Enlightenm... View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3393 Preview by Yahoo From The_Peak, Thanks, good discernment extending this aspect of souls incarnating to 'origin of awareness' and a why or implication of incarnational life. Deferring here to my wife's experience with this from her career work with people as 'the Heart Field in addition to the Mental Field'.. She is quite eloquent on this from her experience with it. The Divine qualities of the Heart evidently are not linear like mental fields of the mind. In the mind those values are linear and thoughts. In the heart they are inward divine fields that extend out as field effects in life. Long-term meditators may have bright open upper mental fields but as a cultivated awakened super-mental purity which can be dry, calm and not blissful. An implication by contrast is that spiritually people die as they have lived, either in the head or heart. As people die you can feel the cultivated value in balance of what is mental and heart being. Meditators can be peaceful but also cold or dry simply in how people have lived their lives. This speaks to what is spiritually possible from cold and calm to expansive and open to a bliss experience as what can be done to cultivate larger spiritual values. For instance, Divine Friendliness, Compassion or Happiness is a relationship which is luscious in the energy field where it is activated. ..where the transcending happens in the heart. You can find this in some meditators as they have lived their lives. More than peace it is love. Brain waves do not necessarily translate in to heart-being but when 'calm' gets activated by the mechanism of the heart chakra. You can see super developed mental fields that are cold and serene but without a lusciousness or love. Soul-self is bliss-self in the incarnational light body. The soul in life wants to 'dip its toe' in to incarnation. The spark of jivan is in the heart chakra and when the heart stops the soul heads out. You can feel it as it happens when you are there. It is phenomenon as it happens while it happens if you are open to it. It is a miraculous coming and going in life. Some people are naturally cultivated in divine qualities of the heart, some have cultivated in life divine qualities of friendliness, compassion and happiness in the living of their lives. So people are afraid when without a fullness of the field of love there this is not cultivated in capacity the experience of love in the heart. Without activation of the divine qualities in the heart people are lonely otherwise and suffer sp
[FairfieldLife] Re: The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to empty 100 million wallets
Ha ha. But did you read the article? A little more background: after the DLF published the 2 pilot studies on how TM affects PTSD in war refugees in Africa, they received inquiries from various groups tasked with handling the ongoing Disaster-that-is-Africa. [Basically, 100 million Africans are thought to have PTSD, so anything that offers such rapid relief to what is probably the foundational cause of much of the cycle of violence and greed in the region would be a Very Good Thing™] And so. these organizations wanted to know 1) how fast could the DLF's Africn PTSD Relief project http://www.ptsdreliefnow.org/the-research.html http://www.ptsdreliefnow.org/the-research.html be scaled up to reach all of Africa? and 2) how much would it cost? And so, the DLF is acting as middle man between the TM organization and the United Nations and other groups to negotiate a deal to train relief workers as TM teachers. The UN workers would continue to be employees of the UN and would teach TM for free, much the same way that the DLF does in public schools. I don't know any of the financial details, but I'm sure that that is what the negotiations are about. By the way, none of these groups would dream of shelling out what will eventually be very large sums of money without doing their own research on TM and PTSD in the target populations and the first of these independently conducted studies has been submitted for review. I'm told it isn't nearly as dramatic as the DLF-funded studies, as it shows that it takes TWO months of TM practice for 90% of the PTSD subjects to become non-symptomatic, rather than only one month. Even so, the results of this and other studies in the pipeline are remarkable enough that the DLF is now projecting that by the end of 2018, ten million people will learn TM for free, taught by government and relief workers trained as TM teachers, teaching TM as part of their job description for their current employer. That will include relief workers, school counselors, prison guards and so on. So your little title change isn't relevant: the UN, should their own research justify it, would be paying for their own people to teach TM. The TM organization would be simply acting as a training and accreditation organization (with whatever details are required to make it work for both parties). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You seem to have mistyped the Subject line, so I corrected it for you. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 4:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade. http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story Autoloading is not working but the link seems to be valid. All in the mind The David Lynch Foundation helps people overcome extreme stress by using the power of meditation. Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade. Julie Cramer talks to co-founder Bob Roth to find out more David Lynch is at the centre of much media attention of late as he starts filming a conclusion to cult TV series Twin Peaks after a 25 year break. The US director is famous for his surrealist style in films such as The Elephant Man, Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead. What many people may not know, is that he’s also a firm believer in the beneficial power of transcendental meditation. He says: “I started transcendental meditation in 1973 and have not missed a single meditation ever since. Twice a day, every day. It has given me effortless access to unlimited reserves of energy, creativity and happiness deep within.” After a chance meeting with fellow practitioner Bob Roth a decade ago, the pair started the David Lynch Foundation and have since helped hundreds of thousands of at-risk people using this form of meditation. Here Roth, the co-founder and executive director of the foundation, talks about its aim to help 100 million people in the next decade. Given the current surge in interest in mindfulness, now is the perfect time for spas to get involved he says. What’s the main purpose of the David Lynch Foundation? We’re a non-profit organisation, founded in 2005 by the film director David Lynch, dedicated to making transcendental meditation (TM) accessible to many different areas of the population. In the beginning, our focus was on helping at-risk children in low income urban schools to cope with the extreme stresses that they were facing. In less than 10 years, we’ve touched the lives of more than 500,000 students. Over time, our work has spread to a wider range of people, from the homeless to victims of domestic violence, war veter
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
Rolls eyes. You can force silence by distracting the mind and diverting resources away from the verbal centers or you can allow the mind to become more calm until silence is everywhere. Pure consciousness during TM is no mantra, no thought, no body awareness, no intuition, no emotion, no memory, no sensory awareness of any kind, not just "no verbal thoughts." It occurs spontaneously, not at beck and call, and is accompanies by higher levels of alpha coherence in the frontal lobes, along with increased skin resistance, abrupt decrease i heart rate as well as an apparent cessation of breathing or at least abrupt drop in breath rate. It's hard to miss when you hook someone up to the right equipment, but what they found when the examined the woman who most consistently showed these signs, while using the most sophisticated eqiupment, was that she didn't notice the existence of the state, only the transition *out of* the state. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No mantra-No thought Sounds the same. It is a correct experience of the practice of TM (second night checking) and evidently Mindfulness too Pure Awareness. # ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What they call pure awareness is not what TMers call pure awareness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : [Scientific American article by Matthieu Ricard, Antoine Lutz, and Richard J. Davidson, Nov. 2014, p. 43] "In our Wisconsin lab, we have studied experienced practioners while they performed an advanced form of mindfulness meditation called open presence. In open presence, sometimes called "pure awareness", the mind is calm and relaxed, not focused on anything in particular yet vividly clear, free from excitation or dullness. The meditator observes and is open to experience without making any attempt to interpret, change, reject or ignore painful sensation" ...[the experimenters somehow induced some pain to experienced meditators, then compared the results to novices.] ."We found that the intensity o0f the pain was not reduced in meditators, but it bothered them less than it did members of a control group". . "Compared with novices, expert meditators' brain activity diminished in anxiety related regions - the insular cortex and the amygdala - in the period preceding the painful stimulus." . "Other tests in our lab have shown that meditation training increases one's ability to better control and buffer basic physiological responses - inflammation or levels of a stress hormone - to a socially stressful task such as giving a public speech or doing mental arithmetic in front of a harsh jury." . ".
[FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade.
http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonline&featureid=29642&mag=Spa%20Business&linktype=story Autoloading is not working but the link seems to be valid. All in the mind The David Lynch Foundation helps people overcome extreme stress by using the power of meditation. Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade. Julie Cramer talks to co-founder Bob Roth to find out more David Lynch is at the centre of much media attention of late as he starts filming a conclusion to cult TV series Twin Peaks after a 25 year break. The US director is famous for his surrealist style in films such as The Elephant Man, Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead. What many people may not know, is that he’s also a firm believer in the beneficial power of transcendental meditation. He says: “I started transcendental meditation in 1973 and have not missed a single meditation ever since. Twice a day, every day. It has given me effortless access to unlimited reserves of energy, creativity and happiness deep within.” After a chance meeting with fellow practitioner Bob Roth a decade ago, the pair started the David Lynch Foundation and have since helped hundreds of thousands of at-risk people using this form of meditation. Here Roth, the co-founder and executive director of the foundation, talks about its aim to help 100 million people in the next decade. Given the current surge in interest in mindfulness, now is the perfect time for spas to get involved he says. What’s the main purpose of the David Lynch Foundation? We’re a non-profit organisation, founded in 2005 by the film director David Lynch, dedicated to making transcendental meditation (TM) accessible to many different areas of the population. In the beginning, our focus was on helping at-risk children in low income urban schools to cope with the extreme stresses that they were facing. In less than 10 years, we’ve touched the lives of more than 500,000 students. Over time, our work has spread to a wider range of people, from the homeless to victims of domestic violence, war veterans with post traumatic stress disorder and HIV/AIDS sufferers. How did you meet David Lynch? I was organising a TM conference and David Lynch, who had been practising TM for around 30 years, was invited to attend. He heard the horror stories about at-risk youth – of kids who witnessed and experienced domestic violence and gangland shootings and were then expected to go to school and learn algebra. The idea of the foundation was born from this meeting and we created it soon after. How does TM differ from other forms of meditation? According to science, there are three basic approaches to meditation. The first is called ‘focused attention’, where you attempt to actively control your thoughts, clear your mind, or focus on your breath. This produces the gamma brainwaves that are associated with peak concentration. The second is ‘open monitoring’ which includes many mindfulness techniques, where you learn to observe your thoughts or emotions dispassionately. This produces theta brainwaves, which are very slow and present during the REM stages of sleep. Thirdly is ‘automatic self transcending’, which is transcendental meditation, where you learn to effortlessly transcend conscious thinking to achieve a profound state of calm, of inner wakefulness. It’s like diving underneath a choppy ocean to the calm waters beneath. In this state, deeply relaxing alpha brainwaves are present. Because of its simplicity and naturalness TM is the easiest to learn – even a 10-year-old can practise it. What are the benefits of TM? In a society where there’s an epidemic of stress, TM helps people achieve a profound state of rest at will. It’s been shown to instantly drop cortisol levels by 30 per cent – which is more than we get from a good night’s sleep. There’s also evidence that TM reduces high blood pressure as effectively as medication, reduces cholesterol, atherosclerosis and risk of stroke; and reduces anxiety, depression and insomnia. In addition, much research indicates that TM improves memory, creativity and problem solving. It wakes up the brain! How did you first discover TM? I was at the University of Berkeley in California, in the 1960s. It was a time of riots, strikes and anti-war demos. Students were being shot and tanks were parked outside. I wasn’t a hippie or a druggie but I was looking for a natural way to overcome the intense pressures of going to school full time, working full time and dealing with the social upheaval all around me. A good friend who I trusted suggested I try TM. I’m a naturally sceptical person, but my friend was a no-nonsense kind of person so I decided to try it. Its effect on me was immediate and profound. I experienced a state of rest and relaxation I never knew I coul
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
What they call pure awareness is not what TMers call pure awareness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : [Scientific American article by Matthieu Ricard, Antoine Lutz, and Richard J. Davidson, Nov. 2014, p. 43] "In our Wisconsin lab, we have studied experienced practioners while they performed an advanced form of mindfulness meditation called open presence. In open presence, sometimes called "pure awareness", the mind is calm and relaxed, not focused on anything in particular yet vividly clear, free from excitation or dullness. The meditator observes and is open to experience without making any attempt to interpret, change, reject or ignore painful sensation" ...[the experimenters somehow induced some pain to experienced meditators, then compared the results to novices.] ."We found that the intensity o0f the pain was not reduced in meditators, but it bothered them less than it did members of a control group". . "Compared with novices, expert meditators' brain activity diminished in anxiety related regions - the insular cortex and the amygdala - in the period preceding the painful stimulus." . "Other tests in our lab have shown that meditation training increases one's ability to better control and buffer basic physiological responses - inflammation or levels of a stress hormone - to a socially stressful task such as giving a public speech or doing mental arithmetic in front of a harsh jury." . ".
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm
I reiterate (and of course I may be wrong): the stories from 30-40+ years ago are far more extreme than what you hear these days. That doesn't mean there aren't suicides, and perhaps some of those suicides can be directly attributed to "too much TM" (where "too much" might include doing it at all). But impression is that the stuff that happened back in the late 60's/early 70's is NOT happening as much, or as intensely as it was back in the day. And again, I might be wrong. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" I learned the TM-SIdhis in 1984, I think it was. We were meditating and practicing TM and the TM-SIdhis for many hours a day for 2 months straight. The worst unstressing I ever saw was towards the end of the flying block when it was reiterated that only hopping was taking place and that there was no evidence of anything but muscle power involved in said hopping. So, maybe in the days before the TM-SIdhis, when rounding only involved TM, such things went on, or perhaps it WAS due to the highly experimental nature of drug use from the 60's and 70's as people have speculated, but I never saw first-hand the kinds of things that people talk about from the late 60's/early 70's, even though I was involved in a 2-month retreat with hours upon hours of TM + TM-Sidhis practice. One point that Brian Rees made when asked such a question is that in none of the control group studies, even those involving war refugees from Africa, or military eole with PTSD, have such things happened. Only in anecdotal reports involving self-selected participants from 40+ years ago, do you hear such stories, and rounding has been severely limited for the past 30-40 years, so those stories become less and less frequent the closer you get to present day. Even with the 8 hours/day Invincible America course, you don't hear the same kind of stories as you did from 40+ years ago. And it's never occurred to you that the *reason* you never hear these kinds of stories is that everyone has been conditioned never to speak of them and to pretend -- like David Orme-Johnson -- that no adverse effects ever take place? Don't you understand that you are practicing cult apologetics here, Lawson, just as Steve Sundur did yesterday? He actually admitted *being* one of the "twitching group," but then claimed that it was no big thing. He characterized the courses that produced this aberrant behavior as "experiments" and "wild events," and basically tried to make excuses. "No big thing?" After my course, several of the twitchers (whom I knew from Toronto) got to the airport but were *not allowed to board the plane* because their arms were flailing about uncontrollably in the waiting room and the airline couldn't take the chance of seating them next to someone and having them hit them. They finally had to be sedated by a doctor before they were allowed to fly home. But to cult apologist Steve-o, this is no big thing, and just "sorts itself out quickly." Two of the twitchers from Toronto took *six months* before their compulsive twitching stopped. THIS is the kind of denial that cultists engage in when their dogma says that "TM never does harm" and they've been conditioned to actually believe it, and for years? Like Steve-o, they pretend that "twitching" and shouting and spasming that was basically uncontrollable and indistinguishable from Tourette's Syndrome was "no big thing." Some cult apologists even find ways to write off the many TM suicides as "Well, they must have been fucked up before the course." It appears to me that such people are practicing "willful blindness," and choosing to IGNORE the many instances of negative effects from TM, rather than contradicting the "TM never does any harm" dogma that Maharishi sold them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re this exercise in cult apologetics from David Orme-Johnson, here is the challenge I wrote to Feste in an earlier post: Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for mont
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm
I call it sad. And I never said the stories weren't true, only that they don't seem to be nearly as common as they were 40 years ago, for whatever reason. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My friend Mark Totten who was on the citizen purusha program, a Movement straight arrow man all the way who never missed a set of asanas stepped in front of a train right there in Fairfield. What would you call that, unrelenting bliss? From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm I learned the TM-SIdhis in 1984, I think it was. We were meditating and practicing TM and the TM-SIdhis for many hours a day for 2 months straight. The worst unstressing I ever saw was towards the end of the flying block when it was reiterated that only hopping was taking place and that there was no evidence of anything but muscle power involved in said hopping. So, maybe in the days before the TM-SIdhis, when rounding only involved TM, such things went on, or perhaps it WAS due to the highly experimental nature of drug use from the 60's and 70's as people have speculated, but I never saw first-hand the kinds of things that people talk about from the late 60's/early 70's, even though I was involved in a 2-month retreat with hours upon hours of TM + TM-Sidhis practice. One point that Brian Rees made when asked such a question is that in none of the control group studies, even those involving war refugees from Africa, or military eole with PTSD, have such things happened. Only in anecdotal reports involving self-selected participants from 40+ years ago, do you hear such stories, and rounding has been severely limited for the past 30-40 years, so those stories become less and less frequent the closer you get to present day. Even with the 8 hours/day Invincible America course, you don't hear the same kind of stories as you did from 40+ years ago. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re this exercise in cult apologetics from David Orme-Johnson, here is the challenge I wrote to Feste in an earlier post: Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... Now, let's take this further, shall we? It is very possible that Feste was NOT in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy in 1972, the location of the course in which almost a hundred people were visible *every day* sitting in a section reserved for them in the main lecture hall. So all he would have to react to is my claim that this is what was happening. But, as it turns out, it seems that David Orme-Johnson WAS there in Fiuggi Fonte, and thus would have had no choice but to see all of these people twitching and jerking and spasming and shouting through every large group lecture. How then can he *possibly* claim that TM never has any negative results? The level of dissociation and/or dishonesty exhibited by him *having personally witnessed such mass negative results* and then later claiming that none have ever existed is simply amazing. How do I know that David OJ was in Fiuggi? Well, thanks to Google and a photo (now taken down) once posted by our very own Texas Troll, Willytex: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo willytex https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo Recently discoverd rare photo: Peggy Snell, Dr. Vincent Snell, Dr. David Orme-Johnson, and Dr. Keith Wallace with Maharishi in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy, June, 1972. http://willytex.home.texas.net/archives/maharishi12.jpg http://willytex.home.texas. net/archives/maharishi12.jpg http://willytex.home.texas.net/archives/maharishi12.j
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm
I learned the TM-SIdhis in 1984, I think it was. We were meditating and practicing TM and the TM-SIdhis for many hours a day for 2 months straight. The worst unstressing I ever saw was towards the end of the flying block when it was reiterated that only hopping was taking place and that there was no evidence of anything but muscle power involved in said hopping. So, maybe in the days before the TM-SIdhis, when rounding only involved TM, such things went on, or perhaps it WAS due to the highly experimental nature of drug use from the 60's and 70's as people have speculated, but I never saw first-hand the kinds of things that people talk about from the late 60's/early 70's, even though I was involved in a 2-month retreat with hours upon hours of TM + TM-Sidhis practice. One point that Brian Rees made when asked such a question is that in none of the control group studies, even those involving war refugees from Africa, or military eole with PTSD, have such things happened. Only in anecdotal reports involving self-selected participants from 40+ years ago, do you hear such stories, and rounding has been severely limited for the past 30-40 years, so those stories become less and less frequent the closer you get to present day. Even with the 8 hours/day Invincible America course, you don't hear the same kind of stories as you did from 40+ years ago. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re this exercise in cult apologetics from David Orme-Johnson, here is the challenge I wrote to Feste in an earlier post: Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... Now, let's take this further, shall we? It is very possible that Feste was NOT in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy in 1972, the location of the course in which almost a hundred people were visible *every day* sitting in a section reserved for them in the main lecture hall. So all he would have to react to is my claim that this is what was happening. But, as it turns out, it seems that David Orme-Johnson WAS there in Fiuggi Fonte, and thus would have had no choice but to see all of these people twitching and jerking and spasming and shouting through every large group lecture. How then can he *possibly* claim that TM never has any negative results? The level of dissociation and/or dishonesty exhibited by him *having personally witnessed such mass negative results* and then later claiming that none have ever existed is simply amazing. How do I know that David OJ was in Fiuggi? Well, thanks to Google and a photo (now taken down) once posted by our very own Texas Troll, Willytex: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo willytex https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo Recently discoverd rare photo: Peggy Snell, Dr. Vincent Snell, Dr. David Orme-Johnson, and Dr. Keith Wallace with Maharishi in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy, June, 1972. http://willytex.home.texas.net/archives/maharishi12.jpg http://willytex.home.texas. net/archives/maharishi12.jpg http://willytex.home.texas.net/archives/maharishi12.jpg From: "srijau@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM never does harm the science is clear that TM does not cause anyone harm Does TM Do Any Harm? - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D. http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/DoesTMDoAnyHarm/index.cfm Does TM Do Any Harm? - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D. http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/DoesTMDoAnyHarm/index.cfm Does TM Produce Any Harm? The Issue: Is there any scientific research showing that the Transcendental Meditation program has harmed anyone? The Evid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Whoo Hoo at the Marshy School!
If the exemption was made for the school, or for TMers in general (since all students at the school do TM and at least one partent does), then y ou would expect every student, or almost-every, to have the exemption, but such is not the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A few schools have large pools of unvaccinated kids http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2015/02/28/maharishi-school-fairfield-vaccinations/24193179/ http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2015/02/28/maharishi-school-fairfield-vaccinations/24193179/ A few schools have large pools of unvaccinated kids http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2015/02/28/maharishi-school-fairfield-vaccinations/24193179/ Maharishi School in Fairfield is only one where less than half of students are vaccinated. View on www.desmoinesregi... http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2015/02/28/maharishi-school-fairfield-vaccinations/24193179/ Preview by Yahoo Good points made by the reporter - like how can u have a religious exemption when TM is not a religion!!
[FairfieldLife] Anime review: Parasyte
Parasyte (寄生獣 or Kiseijū lit. "Parasitic Beasts") is an interesting anime taken from an award-winning manga/comic-book published in Japan over a period of 7 years from 1988 to 1995. It follows the life of a high schooler named Shinichi Izumi, who accidentally survives the attack of a parasitic alien invader because he is a restless sleeper and accidentally tangles himself in a phone cord while sleeping to the point that the burrowing alien larva has no choice but to establish residency in his arm by eating his right hand, rather than proceeding to his brain and consuming his head. As camouflage, rather than taking the shape of his head and assuming his identity, the alien disguises itself as Izumi’s right hand, Preventing from fulfilling its primary function, the parasite goes into survival mode and establishes a symmbiotic relationship with Izumi, protecting him from its fellow aliens, who sense the presence of the parasite AND that something is not right. Izumi, over protests of the newly-named “Migi” (short for right-[handed]), attempts to intervene in an alien feeding and ends up being stabbed through the heart by another parasite. Migi revives him by using its own tissue to help repair the heart, and while doing so loses control of bits of itself that establish uncontrolled symbiotic relationships with various organs and tissues throughout Izumi’s body, making him both slightly alien and immensely stronger than a normal human. He is even able to kill an alien by himself by catching it off-guard and throwing it through a brick wall. He also loses the capacity to cry and his friends note that he is distinctly colder than he used to be. Migi, in turn, without the protections established by assuming its primary mode, starts to take on at least a few human characteristics, like a need for sleep, and [perhaps] at least a tiny sliver of capacity for empathy. The story is an interesting examination of what it means to be human, and is told from the perspective of a mostly-human caught in the midst of an unrecognized alien invasion (human authorities around the world gradually become aware of the invaders but refuse to warn the general public for fear of panic), and from the perspective of one of the invaders unable to continue as an accepted member of its kind. As I noted, it was given literary awards in manga form, and is now the inspiration for a 2-part live action sci-fi movie. An amusing aside is that, due to the right-to-left nature of Japanese comics, the translator simply reversed raw image of the entire comic during translation, so that the various panels are read in the normal English way, left-to-right. As a result of this mirror-reversal, “Migi” is translated as “Lefty” in the English version of the comic. Parasyte is definitely an upper-tier anime worth watching. It is available for viewing free (aside from commercials) at crunchyroll.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] nice photo of Adhiraja Maharaja Rajaram's wife
Imagine if he was half-black and had a funny middle and last name... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, someone posts a nice picture of a happy couple and look at the response it gets. This forum really has sunk into the abyss. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You sound JELLOS. Tony Nader never claimed he was celibate after he got married.You just told a big fib. I just checked the a.m.t. archives and this meme was totally discredited - Judy called you a liar. In fact, the wedding was kept secret from you and you weren't invited to the reception, even though you lived just down the street at a crash pad in Paris. Or something like that. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No shit, srijau, I just had to reply to this to say thanks for posting this photo. I never knew what Mrs. da King looked like, but now that I do I completely understand da King's look in this photo. It's sorta like, "And you think I should feel BAD about hiding this beauty from you and claiming I was celibate for all those years? Fuck that. I got to be with *her* all those years while you were focusing on me rather than enjoying your own lives." Or something like that. :-) From: "srijau@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] nice photo of Adhiraja Maharaja Rajaram's wife Day 1, International Conference to... - Re-Establishing Vedic India | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater Day 1, International Conference to... - Re-Estab... https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater Re-Establishing Vedic India posted this photo on 2015-02-20. 17 likes. 2 comments. 21 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] nice photo of Adhiraja Maharaja Rajaram's wife
U. Celibate? Maharishi made it clear that King Tony's position was hereditary. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No shit, srijau, I just had to reply to this to say thanks for posting this photo. I never knew what Mrs. da King looked like, but now that I do I completely understand da King's look in this photo. It's sorta like, "And you think I should feel BAD about hiding this beauty from you and claiming I was celibate for all those years? Fuck that. I got to be with *her* all those years while you were focusing on me rather than enjoying your own lives." Or something like that. :-) From: "srijau@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] nice photo of Adhiraja Maharaja Rajaram's wife Day 1, International Conference to... - Re-Establishing Vedic India | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater Day 1, International Conference to... - Re-Estab... https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater Re-Establishing Vedic India posted this photo on 2015-02-20. 17 likes. 2 comments. 21 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.666138946846706.1073741830.656994527761148/666145430179391/?type=1&theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines. Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda) to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common sense and simply ignore that simple caveat? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic "doctors". Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV "doctor" and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this "perfect system of natural healthcare". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=tw&src=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=tw&src=SOC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science backfires for Fairfield :-)
Have you ever looked at mindfulness research? Most of it makes TM research look absolutely brilliant in its design and execution. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : While you can never fully trust science, you can pretty much distrust TMO promoted science as a matter of course. TMO promoted science is about 1% reliable based on various reviews of study size, controls, and experimental design. It's the dumbing down effect of religious memes that prevent researchers from thinking more clearly along scientific lines. It is difficult enough to do science properly without also having to get approval from people whose minds work along the lines of metaphysical fantasy. I don't have to do recreational drugs any more, as the doctors have been loading me up on additional pills and injections as I get older and more decrepit (the latter, according to TMO science is a sign my age is reversing) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You can never fully trust science. Take this study, for example. If Fairfield, IA's claimed reputation as an early-to-bed, fairly drug-free, and fairly non-promiscuous small town is true, all that really means is that its population isn't very intelligent. :-) Research Shows Intelligent People Stay Up Late, Do More Drugs, And Have More Sex http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/research-shows-intelligent-people-stay-up-late-do-more-drugs-and-have-more-sex/ http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/research-shows-intelligent-people-stay-up-late-do-more-drugs-and-have-more-sex/ Research Shows Intelligent People Stay Up Late, Do More ... http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/research-shows-intelligent-people-stay-up-late-do-more-drugs-and-have-more-sex/ By Steven Bancarz| What is the mark of an intelligent mind in our day and age? When we think of intelligent people, we may have been conditioned to envision them ... View on www.spiritscience... http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/research-shows-intelligent-people-stay-up-late-do-more-drugs-and-have-more-sex/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Any experience with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of Living organization in Boone, NC?
Anyone know whose picture is used for that puja, Maharishi's or Guru Dev's? I've also seen some odd pictures using the holy tradition picture: http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-... http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg View on bawandinesh... http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The TM community there, having purchased or built homes got screwed by the movement's shenanigans because they expected Purusha and Mother Divine to be in their neighbourhood. Don't know what Shankar is doing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : First thanks everybody for answering my question regarding Mother Divine again selling their property in Boone, NC after having re-acquired it. From the internet I found that the Purusha Campus on Heavenly Mountain in Boone, NC was purchased by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of Living Foundation. They offer Pancha-Karma, yoga retreats, pranayama and even a meditation technique called Sahaj Samadhi. There is a video on YouTube in which Sri Sri does exactly the same Puja as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did. This somehow seems to indicate that he still sees himself as belonging to the same tradition as Maharishi. Do you believe Sri Sri's Sahaj Samadhi technique is TM? Has any of you been on the campus on Heavenly Mountain and how did you experience it? To me it seems that the TM community living on Heavenly Mountain can be really happy to have such amazing neighbors. They don't eat meat, don't drink alcohol, practice meditation and thereby create some level of coherence not dissimilar from the Purusha group. It might not be a substitute, but still pretty awesome. Imagine a Christian or corporate group would have purchased the campus! They wouldn't really fit very well into the existing TM community. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra gets mad
A blogger dredged up an old video of Deepak's and tore into him. Deepak's rhetoric I think, was taken slightly out-of-context, but only slightly. It was Deepak at his worst: spew post-Maharishi rhetoric combined with Maharishi rhetoric and never watch what you're saying, regardless. The original blog post that started things is found here: Deepak denies that HIV causes AIDS https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/deepak-denies-that-hiv-causes-aids/ https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/deepak-denies-that-hiv-causes-aids/ Deepak denies that HIV causes AIDS https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/deepak-denies-that-hiv-causes-aids/ Well, if Chopra ever had any scientific credibility, it's now in shreds. Listen to the part of this video (laughably labeled "Two great minds question HIV/... View on whyevolutioni... https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/deepak-denies-that-hiv-causes-aids/ Preview by Yahoo I throw in several "what he should have said" [from teh Maharishi Ayurveda/TM perspective] remarks, but the real fun comes when apparently Deepak gets wind of it and comes onto the blog to defend himself, and then posts his own blog entry on his own website, attacking the original blogger: Response to Jerry Coyne’s Misrepresentation of My Position on HIV/AIDS « The Chopra Foundation http://www.choprafoundation.org/health/response-to-jerry-coynes-misrepresentation-of-my-position-on-hivaids/ Response to Jerry Coyne’s Misrepresentation of My Position on HIV/AIDS « The Chopra Foundation http://www.choprafoundation.org/health/response-to-jerry-coynes-misrepresentation-of-my-position-on-hivaids/ Response to Jerry Coyne’s Misrepresentation of My Position on HIV/AIDS Posted on: January 30, 2015 Jerry Coyne has set himself up repeatedly to use smear tactics in order to portray me as irrational. View on www.choprafoundation.org http://www.choprafoundation.org/health/response-to-jerry-coynes-misrepresentation-of-my-position-on-hivaids/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Arizona cities incinerated by apocalyptic heat
I remember that day. Millions of people died, just down the road. It made all the local newspapers. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://youtu.be/iXuc7SAyk2s http://youtu.be/iXuc7SAyk2s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?
I was referring mostly to the effects of TM on the president and the people who were meditating and how their meditation rpactice appeared to affect their behavior, not the Maharishi Effect. And in fact, TM IS supposed to improve moral behavior in an absolutist sense of making one's behavior more "in-tune with the laws of nature." That isn't a well-defined phrase, but "greater common good" might be a good first-order approximation. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Typical mindfulness/concentrative practices are not claimed to make you moral or ethical. And TM is? I always contrast such things with: You're drawing targets round arrows Lawson. The wonder of being able to affect the unified field is supposed to improve all aspects of life: "The economy suffered serious setbacks when in 2000 and 2001 Mozambique was hit by floods which affected about a quarter of the population and destroyed much of its infrastructure. Furthermore, in 2002 a severe drought hit many central and southern parts of the country, including previously flood-stricken areas. Poverty remains widespread, with more than 50% of Mozambicans living on less than $1 a day." So, did he get his wish? Doesn't sound very good, but it's better than civil war but when do they ever last forever? Mozambique country profile http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13890416 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13890416 Mozambique country profile http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13890416 Provides an overview of Mozambique, including key events and facts about this former Portuguese colony and its recovery from a long civil war in the 19... View on www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13890416 Preview by Yahoo http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Former Marxist guerrilla turned president spreads the word of the Beatles' guru to his ministers and the military. View on www.theguar... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Preview by Yahoo Can Meditation Change the World? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world Can Meditation Change the World? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world What would happen if every member of a country's government and army started to meditate? The amazing story of Mozambique's 'meditating president.' View on www.psychol... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://salem-news.com/articles/july202012/burma-genocide-tk.php http://salem-news.com/articles/july202012/burma-genocide-tk.php
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?
Self-selected samples prove nothing. Only suitably designed studies can resolve that issue with any certainty, but even so, the only country we know about where the head of state did TM and was in a position to seek retribution, didn't, but instead showed higher wisdom than average, resulting in a relative golden age of growth and peace for this country L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meditation and Moral Behaviour TM claims this, but it definitely does not appear to be true: look what it did to the people on FFL and even those that left to go to The Peak. My thoughts on this are the universe has no moral characteristics at all, and meditation TM or otherwise cannot provide such. Moral considerations are a mental overlay, a verbal program inserted into the mind, probably based on certain evolutionary considerations, such as cooperation, that allowed our species to flourish, and that survival of the family, the tribe, the city, the province or state, the nation, and the planet are prioritised in that order as mostly hard wiring in the brain. Genocide is a way of life for humans back even hundreds of thousands of years, if archaeology is any evidence. It is still going on today among people who meditate and those who do not. Most TM meditators are not in a situation where genocide would be a potential issue, except perhaps India, where Muslims and Hindus engage in fighting. Buddhists are not exceptions to the rule, and even TMer's have committed murder. I have never considered the TMO as a moral entity, rather the opposite. Contrasting violent behaviour with people who talk about meditation and peace is not the way to study the problem. In the absence of any verbal and cultural input concerning moral behaviour, would meditation make a group of humans less likely to commit genocide or otherwise disengage from violent crime? When we learn TM we also get a barrel full of verbiage concerning peaceful behaviour &c., and there are a lot of peacemaking peer related mood-making cues in the movement to adjust in that direction. But what would happen if you got Boko Harum to meditate, would they cease their relentless killing, if in teaching them, they got no verbiage or cues about moral behaviour? Or would they just overjoyed that in 'becoming more effective' they could kill more each day, and perhaps get a few extra sex slaves in the bargain, and not be so tired at the end of the day after all that invigourating activity? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Typical mindfulness/concentrative practices are not claimed to make you moral or ethical. I always contrast such things with: Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Former Marxist guerrilla turned president spreads the word of the Beatles' guru to his ministers and the military. View on www.theguar... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Preview by Yahoo Can Meditation Change the World? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world Can Meditation Change the World? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world What would happen if every member of a country's government and army started to meditate? The amazing story of Mozambique's 'meditating president.' View on www.psychol... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://salem-news.com/articles/july202012/burma-genocide-tk.php http://salem-news.com/articles/july202012/burma-genocide-tk.php
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?
Typical mindfulness/concentrative practices are not claimed to make you moral or ethical. I always contrast such things with: Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Former Marxist guerrilla turned president spreads the word of the Beatles' guru to his ministers and the military. View on www.theguar... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill Preview by Yahoo Can Meditation Change the World? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world Can Meditation Change the World? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world What would happen if every member of a country's government and army started to meditate? The amazing story of Mozambique's 'meditating president.' View on www.psychol... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://salem-news.com/articles/july202012/burma-genocide-tk.php http://salem-news.com/articles/july202012/burma-genocide-tk.php
