[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: I really have nothing against the technique itself, never have. I still practice TM every morning for 1/2 hour. I do it for one reason and one reason only. It feels good. I like how I feel afterwards when I read the paper, listen to Mahler and have a tall latte. If it ever feels bad I'll stop. No more something good is happening for me. If it feels good, it is good (for me anyway.) That's exactly how I feel too (but please turn down the Mahler!) I've been mildly curious about other practices through the years, but never enough to jump back in again and devote myself to a new spiritual bus. [snip] I would love to know what Guru Dev would have to say about how MMY handled his movement. I believe he would have been absolutely appalled at what MMY did in his name! Based on everything we know about Guru Dev, he would have taken a VERY dim view of hustling the wealthy for money in the name of spirituality. I imagine him wanting to kick Mahesh's ass all the way back to the cave I'm not with you there. I find it odd that many of the same folks here who have left-leaning sympathies also get very precious about the vulnerable Rich getting bad value for their donations to the TMO. A British leftie once famously said that he wanted to *tax the rich until the pips squeaked. Where's your socialist cojones? Can you imagine a parallel world in which MMY would have got a better reception on returning to his master e.g. Very well done. I know you only gave a taste of bliss to 500 or so villagers nearby - but I'm SO relieved you absolutely refused to accept money to bring bliss to the masses. Pity that chap geezerfreak never got the gift. We had such high hopes for him in his next incarnation, but that'll have to wait now. Still, come sit by me on this cloud? Or could it be that he did NOT think that money was the root of all evil, but just that attachment to money was the sin? Money is just money. And could it be that MMY might say Master, I've done my time. Next time, please just ask me to stay in a cave rather than try to save the world. Can't we leave that to Bono? First mmy didn't bring bliss to the masses or save the world. Second, as far as making TM widely available, that happened at a time when mmy and tmo were not obsessed with money and ego, but offering the technique at a reasonable price -- and tm teachers even got a little. It's when the tmo got obsessed with donations, million dollar courses, world's largest golden towers, outrageously priced yagyas and other vedic products, and generally catering to the rich within the tmo and sticking it to the avg tm teacher, that tm teaching plummeted. If you talk with tmo insiders and analyze the public financial records, you see the tmo spent much more time doing business and real estate deals and raising donations than it did teaching tm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: The number of properties owned by the TMO with which I am familiar is quite astounding and will not be known by the public or TMO members in the forseeable future. Reason for parentheses: MMY was quite clear to his assistants on his reason for his increasingly strong focus on money in the last years his life (stated above). Whether we believe his reason or not, that is up to us - thus the reason for the parentheses. Presumably, if all this money went through registered charities in different countries it ought to be possible to piece together the jig-saw from the annual statements they're required to produce. If it didn't go through registered charities then we ought to see big gaps. E.g. $100M exiting the accounts in America, and $10M arriving in accounts in India. If we then try to work out who the directors of the different entities are, e.g if the names B. Morris and Shrivastava/Varma turn up on a list of company officers that's a dead giveaway, we can slowly work out where all the money has gone. A bit of forensic accounting should turn up some interesting things. Unfortunately for the TMO, real value is in people not buildings or property deeds. Think of Maharishi Central University, a collection of empty buildings with weeds growing between them isn't going to keep the knowledge intact for future generations. most of the US money seems to have gone into registered charities. the real estate and other hard assets usually stay there but cash has been transferring out at a fast rate generally to offshore accts in the channel islands, ie into the banking void. someone could put together an interesting flow chart of the past 10 yrs. the tmo has been selling US real estate at a fast clip for some time. certain names always pop up on the us charities as directors -- bevan, feldman, girish and prakash, potter -- the inner circle at holland, but who knows who really controls the large transfers? I've heard that near the end mmy made harris kaplan, bevan and another business guy who's name slips my mind in charge of the brahmananda saraswati trust which i think is the main channel island account now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in question- in this case the practice of TM. the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist change. 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them cynics trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect. someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs experience. and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor of a more real path is still an idealist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Nelson wrote: If you disagree with government policy you become a terrorist? Thing are starting to look suspicious - does anyone notice? Yes, things are starting to look very, very suspicious. Barry2 should be looking under his bed! So comforting to see republicans hating their country again. the 8 yrs they spent loving it under bush almost ruined us. the 8 yrs they spent fantasizing about being persecuted under clinton were great for the economy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens who do not mean the president harm. Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy. They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate outside the bounds of the law. OffWorld It is not a coincidence the DHS report came out just in time for the Tea Party protests. Make no mistake about it, this is a warning to the people who disagree with Obama. The report came out just as a right wing militia type extremist killed several policemen and the right wing routinely discusses armed revolt against those it does not like. The DHS has not harassed one non violent right wing nutcase or puma, so please leave your oppression fantasies aside and teabag in peace. The DHS report conveniently leaves out any reference to leftist groups and lumps all conservatives in with a small number of extremists. Shockingly, they also include veterans because they can be turned into Timothy McVeys by extremist groups. So now we should fear veterans? Ridiculous. The DHS is an unaccountable political arm of whatever party is in power; first Bush and now Obama. We should disband the entire organization. The right wing wanted the DHS until Obama got it and the left wanted to shut it down when Bush had it. Either way, it only points out the obvious; it is a political organization, that can exert the sort of power not anticipated by the framers of the Constitution. Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security. Benjamin Franklin Youtube: Obama's Response Tea Party Movement http://tinyurl.com/c34y2v
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO. It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas obediently following the command of a small clique centered around Bevan, though Hagelin Nader do try to exert a moderating influence. Can't argue with this. The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night to be shot. I would characterize it more as a royal society with overtones of fascism, very similar to the society portrayed in the new American TV series Kings. The difference there is that the King really does have the power to have you dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night and shot, and does just that. And so far, there is no hereditary inher- itance of the Kingship. If the global country was a real country with borders it would be one of those countries that have border guards to keep people in not to keep people out. You mean like the barbed wire around the pundit compound in Fairfield? :-) Why do they need barbed wire? Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a peaceful visitor from India. Safety First! It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma. R.G. Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their circumstances and situation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Role Of Paranoia And Persecution In The Creation Of Religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I'm just rappin' about this to start a conver- sation, if anyone is interested. I'm not trying to sell you anything or say anything that isn't OBVIOUS to anyone who has studied the history of religion. I just think that it's a good thing to keep in mind whenever the subject turns to True Believerism and the various paranoias that we sometimes see associated with it. It's NOT that they are unique to TM or the TMO. They are IMO part and parcel of almost ALL spiritual movements that are starting to make the transition from minor sect to religion. Just out of curiosity, do you think committed TMers in the early days of the movement, while it was still a minor sect and before it had begun to encounter opposition, were any less certain about TM's ability to facilitate enlightenment and save the world? in the early and mid 70s there were many of us committed tm teachers who felt tm could help facilitate enlightenment and help improve the world by creating more fully developed individuals, but we did not see tm as the only way or freak out if tmers did some other practice or thought for themselves, or think that saving the world came from mystical woo woo rays emanating from hopping butts or chanting hindu priests or living in ugly east facing homes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa State Senator Becky Schmitz: Equal Protection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: snip The conventional family unit, being the basic unit of civilization, should be upheld or, there will be serious consequences. Please explain how 2 gays getting married destroys your or my family? Nelson, is it that gay marriage is a temptation for you to leave your conventional family? -Original Message- From: raunchydog@ Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:19 AM To: Schmitz, Becky [LEGIS] Subject: Please don't amend the Iowa Constitution! Senator Becky Schmitz Iowa Legislature Second Floor, State Capitol Des Moines, IA 50319 Dear Senator Schmitz, As an Iowan, I'm proud that our state has taken the lead by granting the freedom to marry to caring, committed gay and lesbian couples. I support this historic decision and want to see it upheld. Please don't amend the Constitution to take away the freedom to marry. The Constitution protects rights. It should never deny rights. The Court decision favoring same sex marriage is correct. Same sex couples and their families deserve the protection of the state of Iowa equal to the protection of every family in Iowa. The Iowa legislators have important things to do and should not waste time and taxpayer money pursuing the folly of amending the constitution for the sake of pandering to an ever-dwindling conservative base. Diversity in America is rising. Iowa legislators should swim with the tide or expect to drown on election day. Don't pay attention to out of state activists. They don't vote in Iowa and should mind their own business. [raunchydog] Fairfield, Iowa
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nab: Are you refusing to give the proof you say exists?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Relax Edg; I never claimed that the star is of physical, dense matter. However it is there, whatever you or other naysayers preffer to think. Perhaps you do not like the fact that it is there but that will not make it go away. We are entering the full sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment brought about by human development spearheaded by Maharishi and countless other Masters. The Star is a sign that we are doing very well and that something truly wonderful is about to happen; the appearance of Maitreya. http://tinyurl.com/clo9qd This star story has come and gone several times in new agey circles over the yrs. even charlie lutes pushed it in the late 80s. how do these crazy things keep coming back when they never happen? Nab, It's not your job to have to answer my questions, but you made a statement here, and if you don't cough up the proof, then it is your reputation, such as it is here, that suffers -- not me. Get it? http://www.share-international.org/media/news_releases.htm http://www.share-international.org/media/news_releases.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcending the Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: No actually, before his weed induced amnesia, Paul was just as dismissive of Maharishi when he came back and it is all on tape. No it is not on tape, you are making it all up in your head. OffWorld Good little movement pet, re-writing history. When you acknowledge your absurd accusation that I made up their dismissive songs about Maharishi which included both Sexy Sadie (whose link using the name Maharishi I provided), I'll see about finding the clip with Paul raising his eyebrows when he says we thought he was...you knowbut he is just a man when asked about why he left the Maharishi camp. hard for me, a beatles lover and former tb, to believe someone doesn't know about that interview with paul and john, and of course the related info that came out in print about the sex rumors and what all the songs on the white album were about. there may be something to the belief that paul was following john's lead during the anti-maharishi phase, as paul and ringo had already left india quite a bit earlier - they left feeling ok about mmy but not all that into the course and tm - it was just john and george who had stayed on and left in a huff. Isn't it enough for you that Paul has had a change of heart, and even though he himself does not regularly meditate according to him, he supported the program and raised some cash. Do you really have to try to re-write that period of documented history which has been written about endlessly and only the most devoted to fantasy would deny? yeah, what's interesting to me about all this is that the tmo is once again after 40 yrs relying on the beatles to put it on the map. it worked once - the first beatles PR led to 1000s of young idealistic 60s kids starting tm; many of these kids then went on the large ttcs in the early 70s and were freshly scrubbed and ready to market tm when the merv waves hit a few yrs later. those 2 pr coups, the beatles and merv, made the tmo. i remember getting irritated with the press in the 70s and 80s because they couldn't stop identifying mmy as former guru to the beatles, and i heard bevan on 2 occasions complain about how demeaning it was to mmy to have him described in this light, but now when they need them the tmo is doing somersaults once again at getting identified in the press with the 2 remaining beatles. what i take from all this is that if you've had nothing to do with mmy and the tmo for the past few decades and only meditated 20 minutes when you felt like it, then you probably would have a positive view of the movt. unfortunately i took the other road. I'll wait for you to retract your first absurd accusation about the songs. If you won't be honest about that I wont waste time on this one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Yeah, Jerry Seinfeld, Ringo Starr, and Howard Stern are secret Hindus. At night they dress up in loin clothes and beads, and worship a statue of an elephant god, and sing hare krishna songs. OffWorld I know, why don't people listen to the Beatles more about TM, like when they all left India and wrote songs about what an opportunistic un-holy man Maharishi was...what was that?...we should listen to them NOW but not listen to them in the same decade when they actually spent time with Maharishi...gotcha! Actually, Curtis it wasn't the four Beatles who were writing songs about what an opportunistic un-holy man Maharishi was, as you put it, it was just ONE of those Beatles -- John Lennon -- and every indication was that the others did not share with him those sentiments. No actually, before his weed induced amnesia, Paul was just as dismissive of Maharishi when he came back and it is all on tape. No it is not on tape, you are making it all up in your head. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Siddhi Placebos (was Re: Intellectual dishonesty)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: In other words I am not convinced by a simplistic explanation of group hypnosis or dynamics, suggestion, hysteria or placebo (and, as I have posted before, I'm not sure how the placebo *explanation* explains in any case). As you say with your examples of placebo, it only goes to show The mind sure is a funny old thing. It sure is and very powerful, easily powerful enough to fool me into thinking there was something amazing happening. Just out of interest, have you ever seen the John Hagelin video The physics of yogic flying It's purpose is to comfort you into thinking that there is some sort of rational basis to what you do on the foam. But it was like a red rag to bull for me and really put me onto thinking that these people were pulling the wool over everyones eyes. Which is why I get so sceptical about it. They are so full of shit with there QP explanations for YF and Jyotish that you've got to fight them. Coming up with alternative, and often more convincing, explanations makes me happy that I'm helping stem the tide of deliberate lies and delusion that the TMO comes out with. It makes me wonder about the Beatles phenomenon. There was huge hype prior to them arriving in US. And it was a time of transformation, ripe, set for new possibilities. And upon expecting to hear incredible music, what did we hear: incredible music. Some B. music today doesn't stand up at all, IMO. Some of it is still catchy, brings a smile, seems special. But is it just that listening to the music now brings back a cascade of multi-layered memories of those times? is it just a trigger, not a thing of substance and great quality in itself? I remember watching one of the Beatle's Ed Sullivan shows with my Dad. I think he was open to hearing something good -- but was not in any way subject to the hype of it all. No peer talk, no news, no DJ's reinforcing how great they were. I heard it through his ears -- and heard a pretty mediocre song. He just didn't GET it -- I thought. Or as I speculate now, IT (the buzz) didn't get to him. He saw the music for what it was. I thoroughly disagree with this. There was virtually no organized PR by epstein prior to their visit and he generally sucked at pr in america. The hype was all spontaneously generated by fans listening to their music which had originally been released on US radio by bootleg and only after self-generated popularity did the US record companies come on board. the beatles thought the crowds at the NYC airport must be for someone else, as they had no idea what to expect since there had been so little planned PR. the original press conference was hastily arranged and totally spontaneously which made it so great - their personalities were as fresh and new as their music. beatlemania grew into something that fed on itself after awhile, but at first it was fully based on amazing new music perfectly fit to the times. I could name at least 40 significant musicians and songwriters who have publicly praised beatles music for its creativity and energy and its influence on their own music. In fact, I'd love to hear just how many significant talents have said that the beatles were mediocre and all hype.
[FairfieldLife] Re: please help me make up my mind!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: i can't figure out which to pay attention to, the huge upcoming concert for TM on April 4th in the big apple with the biggest names in the music business, or John Knapp and the other TM bashers whining about TM and how unsuccessful snicker the practice and the TM cult is... (hmmm...Knapp even posted a comment at the link below, and uh, no one objected because no one even noticed...poor guy reminds me of those nuts in the cartoons carrying a the end is near sign...) i think i'll toss my bag in with Paul and Ringo and Sheryl and Eddie and the others. now there's a group of rabid TM TBs i can hang with, putting their money where their mouth is! I'm not a knapp fan but it's revealing that tmers think that this concert means that tm and the tm org are successful. The teaching of tm has been dead for decades. The mov't big recert enlightenment centers plan wasted about $11 million from my reading of the public books. Of course tm either did or didn't work well whether this concert happened or not. The concert should pick up initiations a little for awhile but the infrastructure is gone from decades of culty mismanagement. Anyway -- why is it that the tmo org is so addicted and obsessed with PR events??? Also consider that if lynch and the performers were not active tm promoters then they would be considered negative loser unenlightened smokers and tamasic rock stars by rank and file tmoers.
[FairfieldLife] Who's a TM teacher? (Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: By the time you are intending that the mantra comes from a body part in an advanced technique, this discussion breaks down. None of the advanced techniques (5 of them) I was taught are taught that way. I can see why you might misremember that they were, but that is YOUR problem Get checked. Interesting choice of responses Lawson. You decided to go with the assumption that I am unfamiliar with my own TM practice or don't have more than 5 advanced techniques. Personally I would have gone with I didn't get that technique so I don't know anything about it myself. But that's just me. Of course then you would miss an opportunity to be pugnaciously grumpy in your response, so I can understand why you didn't go that way. Of course like all true sciences, in Vedic science all these techniques are shrouded in secrecy and we are instructed not to talk about them because sciences always try to have as little transparency as possible and it is fond of swearing people to secrecy so the techniques of the science can't be discussed openly to further our understanding. I have about 5 ATs and none of them involve thinking the mantra from a body part. I'm not including A of E technique which involves attention on the body but not with the mantra or Primordial Sound which does involve thinking mantra from the heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: And effort is certainly misleading because even intent is too harsh a word. L. By the time you are intending that the mantra comes from a body part in an advanced technique, this discussion breaks down. None of the advanced techniques (5 of them) I was taught are taught that way. I can see why you might misremember that they were, but that is YOUR problem Get checked. As I said in my previous part, it seems pretty difficult for people to apply the kind of effort in meditation that Maharishi is making such a big deal about. I only encountered it very rarely in checking TM. But within that basic relaxation approach, there is also quite a bit of leeway as we know from the sidhi techniques or even the Age of Enlightenment technique. If you have ever hung out with people in a hypnosis classes, they can do an Age of E type of technique right off the bat with the same imagined results TMers report. It is unnatural for people to apply headache inducing effort with internal relaxation techniques. Er, yeah. lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Universal Health Care
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Our capitalistic health care for profit is a sham... All of Europe, which has nationalized health care already, is also experiencing the current economic crisis. Why does Obama believe that bringing national health care here will in any way save us a similar economic crisis in the future? He keeps repeating that only if we get health care costs under control will we have `real' prosperity, but the countries that have already `tackled' this problem in the past were not spared their own economic meltdowns. Read more: Posted by Jonah Goldber The Corner, Tuesday, March 24, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/ddo3dk Logic 101 US and Europe both experiencing banking crises. Canada is not experiencing banking crisis. Canada did not deregulate its banks, Europe and US did. US does not have universal healthcare, Europe and Canada both have for many years. What is cause of banking crisis and what is irrelevant
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: You didn't show your dome badege; you haven't posted anything to prove your status in the TMO. Let's see some proof before you go opening your pie-hole about TM and the TMO and the Marshy. Curtis wrote: This coming from the genius who defines TM as thinking things over! Well, Curtis, obviously you don't have a dome badge, and you can't seem to post anything to prove you're a 'TM teacher, and I didn't see your definition of 'TM', so since you've opened your pie hole, why not just post your definition of 'TM', so we can read it, instead of being trollish and downright snarky. This shouldn't be much of a task, since you're claiming to be a 'TM teacher' with very high TMO status, and a graduate in philosophy from MUM. Or, maybe it's time for you to just shut your pie hole. Everyone meditates; there's probably not a single person on the planet who doesn't pause once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And we're transcending, all the time. Meditation simply means to 'think things over'. According to Marshy, meditation is based on thinking. It's that simple. meditation noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Source: Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 Someone give willy a Prep Lecture which distinguishes TM from other forms of meditation and everything willy claims TM is. And who the heck is sophie?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heckuva Job, Timmy!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: You hit on the secret, Geithner, like the man in charge, his wife, and his followers, they care not a bit about US Sovereignty. Quite the contrary, they believe a Global Currency, like a UN 'Global test' for foreign policy, is a long overdue remedy to the inequity of America being on top for so long. - Mark willy shows his and Rush's economic ignorance again. china's comments and geithner's response has nothing to do whatsoever with the dollar as the US currency. They're addressing how foreign central banks hold their reserve currencies esp with regard to IMF SDRs. Don't have the time to explain the difference, but the thought that anyone in the US govt is thinking of changing to a global currency to replace the dollar as the US currency is living in wingnut fantasy land. Go back to looking out for those black helicopters about to take you away to fema camps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg How about tm proponents all behaving like balanced compassionate folks and not giving a hoot about levitation, money, or being recognized as world saviors.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to go around already that's for real! This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu Don't know about girish but the mov't owns a multi-million yacht anchored in NYC. It's on the books of the Maharishi global development fund. Apparently used for tmo bigwigs to entertain wall street bigwigs. What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Bob_Brigante wrote: Why is the GOP fronting a dark-skinned man? From what I've read, Bobby Jindal is a Caucasian, so, this statement looks like a race-baiting flame. Interesting, telling the skin color of someone based on what they've read rather than using their eyes.
[FairfieldLife] tmo banking
The tmo now does its banking primarily on jersey island. This quote is from an article today in salon.com: Over the past several years, however, the trend has gone the other way, with abuse of bank secrecy and the expatriation of investment and profits growing rapidly. On the tiny island of Jersey in the English Channel, for instance, the authorities responded to political pressure from hedge funds, which have placed more than $80 billion in deposits there, by establishing a zero regulation regime last year that literally removed all restrictions and reporting on financial transactions. Zero transparency and accountability in financial dealings, wonder why the tmo is there?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@...] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@... Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. I would not want to be awaiting sentencing during these times of popularism gone wide with Congress passing bills of attainder and the Administration asking for the power to nationalize any company that's misbehaving. Please reference how the Administration is asking for this??? It's nonsense. The Administration hasn't even nationalize banks that are broke and being subsidized by the gov't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@...] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@... Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Dear Friends of Je-Ru, I would once again like to thank every single person who wrote a character reference letter on behalf of my father Je-Ru last December. The support from people who have known Je-Ru, (sometimes for 20 or 30 years) was incredible! His lawyer said that in all of his years of practicing law, he has never seen so much support generated in such a short amount of time. The letters attesting to his character have been submitted to the court, and Je-Ru's lawyer is confident that they will have a significant impact at his sentencing. For the last six months, Je-Ru has been incarcerated. Many people have contacted me for updates on Je-Ru and I have answered your questions to the best of my ability. In the process however, I realized that it would be much more informative to post all the information and updates online. As a result I started the following website: www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. Please put your attention on Je-Ru walking free tomorrow. It is possible! For an update on the results of the sentencing trial visit www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ and click on updates. You can also read a full case history, and other interesting links and articles. Also, I would like to post some of the amazing character references that were sent in. Please send me a quick response if you do not mind having your letter posted on the website. Please mention if it is ok to post your first and last name or if you would like the letter to be posted anonymously. Thank you all for your supporting our family during this difficult time. With sincere appreciation, Jivan This is such BS Jeru was part of a classic investment scam that promised ridiculous guaranteed interest rates of about 100% on some super secret offshore bank debenture and marketed this to naive new agey types along with a whole mythology about how they were allowing satvic spiritual people to take part in the same investments that all the big bad rich people know about but keep to themselves. If you do your own research on sattva bank you'll see that the people behind this scam are borderline sociopaths in loose silk clothes. That fflders are writing character references for jeru because he's a long time sidha is just stupid. Don't sidhas ever get tired being scammed??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanhall@ Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. I would not want to be awaiting sentencing during these times of popularism gone wide with Congress passing bills of attainder and the Administration asking for the power to nationalize any company that's misbehaving. Please reference how the Administration is asking for this??? It's nonsense. The Administration hasn't even nationalize banks that are broke and being subsidized by the gov't. I posted this yesterday with a URL to the video Oh hail our Savior Obama popular during the campaign. We had caught on by then already. Your article has nothing whatsoever to do with nationalization. You need to look the word up. Regulating compensation of banks in the TARP, meaning on life support from the govt, has nothing to do with nationalization or bad behavior, In nationalization, the govt would take over the company and the owners would no longer be there. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/us/politics/22regulate.html?_r=2hp=pagewanted=print http://tinyurl.com/ctnoa4 March 22, 2009 Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay By STEPHEN LABATON WASHINGTON The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said. The outlines of the plan are expected to be unveiled this week in preparation for President Obama's first foreign summit meeting in early April. Increasing oversight of executive pay has been under consideration for some time, but the decision was made in recent days as public fury over bonuses has spilled into the regulatory effort. The officials said that the administration was still debating the details of its plan, including how broadly it should be applied and how far it could range beyond simple reporting requirements. Depending on the outcome of the discussions, the administration could seek to put the changes into effect through regulations rather than through legislation. One proposal could impose greater requirements on the boards of companies to tie executive compensation more closely to corporate performance and to take other steps to assure that outsize bonuses are not paid before meeting financial goals. The new rules will cover all financial institutions, including those not now covered by any pay rules because they are not receiving federal bailout money. Officials say the rules could also be applied more broadly to publicly traded companies, which already report about some executive pay practices to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Last month, as part of the stimulus package, Congress barred top executives at large banks getting rescue money from receiving bonuses exceeding one-third of their annual pay. Beyond the pay rules, officials said the regulatory plan is expected to call for a broad new role for the Federal Reserve to oversee large companies, including major hedge funds, whose problems could pose risks to the entire financial system. It will propose that many kinds of derivatives and other exotic financial instruments that contributed to the crisis be traded on exchanges or through clearinghouses so they are more transparent and can be more tightly regulated. And to protect consumers, it will call for federal standards for mortgage lenders beyond what the Federal Reserve adopted last year, as well as more aggressive enforcement of the mortgage rules. The plan is being put together in advance of the meeting of the Group of 20 industrialized and developing nations in London, which is expected to be dominated by the global financial crisis and discussions about better oversight of large financial companies whose problems could threaten to undermine international markets. An important part of the plan still under debate is how to regulate the shadow banking system that Wall Street firms use to package and trade mortgage-backed securities, the so-called toxic assets held by many banks and blamed for the credit crisis. Officials said the plan would also call for increasing the levels of capital that financial institutions need to hold to absorb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Now We Really ARE Screwed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: A bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group? The frantic passage of the Populist Rage Tax was a new low in the US government's response to this crisis. It shows just how likely we are to doom ourselves to a decade or more of misery�by choking our markets, closing our borders, turning our banks into tools of social policy, and wrecking what's left of our economy. Read more: '90% Tax? Now We Really ARE Screwed' By Henry Blodget Business Insider, March 19, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/c7a9kx Blodget who is barred from working on wall street due to securities fraud thinks AIG executives deserve bonuses for bankrupting the company. go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just payback.] Did the economists who keep insisting that the bailouts are essential to keep the financial system from collapsing all get contributions from AIG and the banks too? Are they all on the payroll? Yes but many are upset about some of the details here. Why are billions flowing thru AIG to Goldman which is a perfectly healthy bank. And the billions flowing thru to euro banks - why not some help from euro taxpapers there? There should at least be haircuts taken on these carrythroughs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Credit where credit is due
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Like I say, we need to name this economic depression the George W. Bush Depression... Does the president have anything to do with the economy in free market capitalism? Isn't it the job of congress to pass regulatory laws? http://rawstory.com/news/2008 First there is no such thing as complete free market capitalism anywhere in the world and never has been. Anyone who thinks the actions of the president have no effect on the economy is living in some sort of fairyland. I'm not sure what regulatory laws means. There are laws passed by congress and either signed or vetoed by the president, and there are regulations from the executive branch agencies who are implementing certain laws. The devil is generally in the details, ie regulations. What willy really means to say is bush is not responsible as president for any problems, obama as president is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time Fractal Excerpt/1983-1984'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: So he does TM? How else would he have heard of the Taste course? (snip) In the radio interview, he didn't mention anything about TM, or the 'Taste of Utopia Course'... I haven't read his books, so don't know much more than I heard in the interview. His direct quote was something like this: 'There was a group of about 7,000 people' who were creating and intensifying a calming effect on world consciousness, at that time, which altered the 'seed' of his timing of a 'surprise attack'... He claimed his theory also predicted the 'surprise attack' of 9/11... Which obviously wasn't prevented. His main point, was that this date of 2012, was a point of major transition, and in order to get through it peacefully would require an evolution of consciousness, which would be grounded by people meditating and calming the extreme fear, which would grip many people, who were afraid of the changes, which were occurring. R.g. According to my information, by 2012 the points of major transition is history. In fact many in this group have participated in creating a peacefull transition which started already when Maharishi gave one of His first rounding-courses during the Cuban crisis. Or perhaps much earlier; when His Divinity Brahmananda Sarasawathi accepted the seat of the Shankaracharya in Jyothir Math ? The Masters of Wisdom certainly knew, having encouraged us since the beginning of time, that humanity once again was recovering into Discipleship and Masterhood, with Maitreya - the World Teacher - being in the world of men for the first time in 100.000 years, present in His Self-created Mahavirupta body since 1977 in the West, only two years after Maharishi inaugurated the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. They also knew that a Bright Star of Wisdom would personally take responsebility for creating this more and more visible Heaven on Earth, with the blessings from Guru Dev, one of the most Senior amongst The Masters of Wisdom. And They knew His name to be: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Blessed are all those souls, and infinite are their future possebilities for Discipleship and Masterhood, in this life or later, those that even with a fraction of their time did help Maharishi in His Cosmic endeavor to create Heaven on Earth, in this generation. Every one of them are blessed. I was going to say that this type of magical thinking is at least cheaper than drugs for creating a high, but actually it's probably a lot more expensive. MMY didn't get those huge offshore bank accts out of nothing. Sorry, blessed offshore bank accts which he set up in order to purify the wall street crisis that he foresaw.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backpedaling on AIG?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: do.rflex wrote: Congress, White House Pointing Fingers Over Who Killed Bonus Provision... You need to get some smarts, Mr. Manning, the AIG bonuses aren't even a blip on the radar compared to the crazed spending by the Obama Democratic Party Congress. And nobody knows where the money is even going. Obama is turning into a nightmare spender. The Obama, Reid and Polosi clique are bent on ruining our economy and turning this country into a Soviet-style communism. There's anger brewing in the masses and like Barry2 says, rebellion is in the air. LOL !...only among the minority rednecks like you and Chuck Norris, Richard. What a joke. Where would we be if it weren't for the minority of rednecks (patriots) that took issue with the powers that be in the late seventeen hundreds? Probably best to wait before making a judgment. If you've studied the american patriots at all you know they were definitely not rednecks. Anyone with an ounce of economic sense knows the current crisis was created and started long before obama was around, and the current spending is to stimulate the economic in response to this crisis. Funny how $5 trillion in debt incurred during bush yrs before he created a crisis didn't raise an eyebrow for these republican idiots.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
I guess you get your foreign policy facts from joe the plumber over at pajamasmedia too. Sorry, the $100 billion you talk about is from the original TARP money paid out by Bush Admin with the terms set by Sec. Paulsen formerly of Goldman who made a sweetheart deal for the banks. The pay off to counterparties in full via AIG is a huge mistake but it has nothing to do with obama as that was done prior to his coming in. Geithner recently approved another $30 billion yet to be transferred and hopefully stricter terms come into play (though I don't like geithner either). I wish republicans could understand that things don't happen when they get promoted on right wing talk radio, they happen when they actually happened in time and usually have something called a cause that made them happen even earlier in time. As far as campaign contributions, raunchy's source states more fully: Overall, the securities and investment industry has contributed about $10 million to Obama and $7 million to McCain. To all federal candidates for president and Congress, and to political parties, the industry has contributed more than $101 million in the 2008 election cycle, 56 percent of it to Democrats. The Democrats' edge is a relatively recent development, however; Republicans had the advantage for most of the last 10 years. Republicans had the edge because they promoted the deregulatory agenda that caused this mess. Obama got more last year because it was clear he was going to win (except to pumas who thought he was an inadequate black male). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: ...while the ire of Congress and the media focus are on the $165 million that AIG paid out in bonuses to their executives, the president is hoping you won't notice the $100 billion in taxpayer bailout dollars that AIG paid out to other banks, including $58 billion to foreign banks and $36 billion given to French and German banks alone... [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just paybac;k.] The following recipients of President Obama's trickle-down-to-my-donors bailout plan rank among his top 20 contributors to his 2008 presidential election campaign, according to Open Secrets: Goldman Sachs: $955,473 Citigroup: $653,468 JP Morgan Chase Co.: $646,058 Morgan Stanley: $485,823 Three other banks that were significant contributors to Obama received money through AIG: Bank of America: $274,493 Wachovia: $214,151 AIG: $112,170 Lehman Brothers, which did not survive long enough to join the list of banks leaching off the work of the American taxpayer, also gave the Obama campaign $276,088. Read more: http://tinyurl.com/cfbocx http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/contributions-to-obama-campaign-track-bailout-money/
[FairfieldLife] Re: My response to David Orme-Johnson.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: There is nothing in doing TM that conflicts with doing any religion as currently practiced. There is no insult to any intelligence. There are specific religions which followers of obsess about the fact that TM mantras are used in religious ceremonies in India. These same people become very worried when I point out that some religions consider photocopying of religious art for any reason (including homework assignments for art class) to be a religious act in that religion or that witnessing the local Indian dancers doing a rain dance would be participation in someone else's religion. Likewise with hearing sacred music from the wrong religion (or any music at all) on the radio. According the tm movt if a meditator attends a lecture by some guru or saint then that person has jeopardized their meditation practice and cannot be allowed to meditate in the domes because they will contaminate the experience. I'm not even talking about doing some other practice, just attending a meeting. Yet you seem to agree with the tmo that spending many hrs per day mentally doing mantras and sutras taken from classic hindu texts and ceremonies has nothing to do with hinduism. This seems a contradiction to me. personally i don't think the tm/sidhi program is necessarily hindu, though i do think most people in the domes are part of the maharishiism religion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
I don't think mmy was that worried about religion here as he spent the last 20 yrs of his life talking about the vedas in all sorts of esoteric ways and esp with reference to hindu brahmin pundits doing their ceremonies as they should. He didn't talk about kundalini because his didn't know much about it. If he did know about it then he wouldn't have brought out the sidhis in such an irresponsible way - many many people should not have been taught and all should have received more careful monitoring and education. - Original Message - From: BillyG. wg...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini. Actually there are two reasons, one is that it has Religious connotations with Hinduism and we don't want that do we! And the other, is that it is a very high state of development and few meditators (of any discipline) ever experience it. Why even mention it, TM is Yoga-lite for modernity anyway, and that's good. That being said, I think it was deplorable that he left without giving a clear teaching and understanding of these fundamental principles, and to think TM could be considered a complete Vedic system, unreal! OK granted, they may call them something different like nadis or whatnot, but come on we all know what they are, chickens! :-) PS. It forces TM'ers to look else where for answers, like Sri Sri anybody? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofjzGoR8JA To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:53 AM, boo_lives wrote: I don't think mmy was that worried about religion here as he spent the last 20 yrs of his life talking about the vedas in all sorts of esoteric ways and esp with reference to hindu brahmin pundits doing their ceremonies as they should. Exactly. He didn't talk about kundalini because his didn't know much about it. If he did know about it then he wouldn't have brought out the sidhis in such an irresponsible way - many many people should not have been taught and all should have received more careful monitoring and education. Precisely my perception. At the time when the sidhis were coming out in Switzerland, the inside group had actually amassed a huge book, all taken from various Hindu scriptures of kundalini, the various lokas, etc. It was a huge compilation of all this Hindu esoterica. I remember thinking, why would a yogi, an alleged master, need all these secondary sources? What they ended up generating was the Age of Enlightenment technique which was given out at different levels to different students, the citizen sidha version being the most watered down version--the governor one being the one with seven different OM-based mantras. MMY also sent at least one person to india to try to get a sidha yogi to help him develop the sidhi program, but the guy refused. Hmmm...I'm a governor who got the AofE technique I think in 79 but didn't get the om mantras as part of it. It would be nice if someone would circulate this old compilation by scanning it in. It was a fascinating compilation and an interesting historical look into how TM techniques were created. But because cheap photocopies in the 80's were like 35 cents or more a copy, there was no way I was paying to photocopy a 700-page document!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yeah!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Arhata Osho wrote: Bernie Madoff in Jail!! http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/ And not one dime of US tax payer's money should be spent to bail out the people he scammed. Investments are never a sure deal and they should know that. Contact your congressman if they plan to do that and tell them no! If anyone saw the report no Madoff a week back on 60 Minutes you know that the shrewd investors saw it as a scam and stayed away. there's zero possibility of any bailout here, there's not a hint of systemic risk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slide show of Brahmasthan of India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Chris is also a very cool guy, having brought some great rock bands to town and having stood up to Bevan when the latter tried to get him to fire an employee who happened to be an Amma devotee. Oh yes. I wondered whatever happened to her. She was an excellent head of housekeeping. I was of course blown away when she told me that she had gone over to the Dark Side. Chris has this developer image of VC where in every direction there's Temple to the Holy Tradtion, expat Indians thronging to tour, shops, flats and houses all around him. He sees MUM soon not much of anything. But as I've relayed before. my suite for half a year abutted the lobby and was diagonal to Chris' office. I could hear during the hours long con calls Maharish playing Chris against MUM. Maharishi knew how to trade them rugs. I've heard mmy do that on calls to people in DC back in the day -- mmy would put down ffld and make it seem like he had DC in mind as the key to the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ottumwa Courier on TM for Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hinda9@ wrote: Dear Friends, If anyone out there has any connections to the higher ups in the movement, PLEASE try to convince them that now is the time to offer TM free of charge, or at least, at a very small nominal fee. We have opened up the domes, now this is the next obvious step. Many initiators are not able to come to Fairfield to participate in group program, but I'm sure they would gladly, happily, without hesitation, love to initiate people in their home towns as their way of contributing to alleviate the stress of this crisis. As Jean Greco says, what if the answer is in our own back yard, and we're not letting people in because we want money. The TM movement has come to be known as a commercial enterprise. It's time to get back to the basics - the Spiritual Regeneration Movement. Love and Peace That's a completely weird thing to suggest. Haven't you been paying atten to what Maharishi did during the last 30 years or so ? He lately raised the prices to stop initiation, allowing only a few rectified teachers to teach a little thus creating a very necessary breakdown of the economic structures. The Pundit-project is simply a safety-valve to prevent a total meltdown. This is getting into brigante rationalization now as a way to explain why everything mmy did in the us lately with invincible america course and pundits did not prevent an economic meltdown. No one was teaching tm prior to recertification course, or those that were coninued to afterwards os it has no significant impact on the already minimal levels of inititations in US. This reinterpretation of history that the recert course was to purposely limit tm instruction so as to cause the end of capitalism is bizarre in so many ways. Its purpose was to create enlightenment centers which BTW completely failed - I guess mmy must have secretly wanted that too. This is absolutely nothing that can a tm TB can't reintrerpret to prove that mmy is controlling events in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New: Maharishi University of Vedic Medicine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Are these BS and MA programs in lieu of the medical school program that I read about a while ago? Maybe this is the first step towards that. Definitely a BS program. It'll go the way of the ayurved program they started at MUM in the 90s. Quite a lot of students from across the nation got recruited but almost all quit within 1 yr for a variety of reasons: (1) the program was poorly planned, no logic to the course structure, faculty advertised didn't appear, (2) the students wanted to learn a holistic health discipline not get indoctrinated into a zealous movt, (3) students are required to sign legal forms saying they will only practice medicine as part of the TMO, which most don't want and which represents a lifetime commitment to poverty. Any degree program that calls itself supreme as this does has to be bogus. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] New: Maharishi University of Vedic Medicine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:55 AM http://tinyurl.com/clbx7y To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slide show of Brahmasthan of India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Am I wrong when I think that these pundits are all poor folks who are getting three meals a day and that's enough for them to pose as pundits, but who are actually, you know, smoking ganga whenever Girish's henchmen aren't around? Some of them do exactly that, or cigarettes when they can get them. And most chew betel leaf or nut, which is illegal in the US 'cause it's so potent. Yeah I think there are plenty of poor brahmin families in india that will provide the movt with bodies to show off. I spent some time with that thai buddhist abbot that was friendly with mmy for awhile back when i was a purusha and he said I was a much more serious monk (at that time) than most of his because they were just doing it to please their families or to avoid some other responsibility and most of them smoked and had secret meetings with girls when they could.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jon Stewart Eviscerates CNBC and Rick Santelli
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: This one is destined for The Daily Show hall of fame. Stewart runs through old clips of CNBC getting everything wrong about the economy at every possible turn in the road. The video is pure gold, unlike their business sense. Stewart absolutely eviscerates Santelli and the rest of the gang of Wall Street and corporate apologists on CNBC. He shows clips of Cramer telling us that Bear Stearns is fine, do not take your money out...Bear Stearns is not in trouble. Bear Stearns went out of business six days later. And so on and so on. This one video probably won't end the CNBC network, but it should go a long way towards discrediting the blowhards that it puts on the air. I like Jon, and the segment is funny. However, your vies of CNBC appear to be like saying the New York Times is full of crap because they reported on what Dick Cheney said. CNBC interviews a lot of people -- The New YorK times interviews a lot of people. Should a news media be skewered because some people it interviews were wrong? Some of the opinions are by hosts of CNBC. Like Cramer, He is entertainment not investment advice. Caveat Emptor. If you like taking advice from someone jumping up and down and acting like they sucked up d a boatload of meth -- well ok then. Santelli is opinionated -- and plenty of others on CNBC counter his views. If you are looking for media with commentators who all get it all right all the time, I suggest you looking into Lou Valentini's blog. I diagree. CNBC is dominated by hosts that promoted the Bush agenda throughout his term which meant always being positive about the economy and the market and housing and everything everything deregulatory. Of course now these free market warriors are all for the wall street bailout but not the housing aspect. There's a couple moderate hosts there that sometimes argue with santelli, but the network clearly has an agenda. Google up the history of how former GE CEO Welch made certain that conservatives dominated NBC and CNBC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Meditating Ashramic Law
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Otherwise known as Quaker Queries: http://drwilliams.org/iDoc/IowaQuakers/AppendixD.htm Yeah, 1854. Community values with guidelines of some of the original `meditator' immigrants come to Iowa, as early as 1830-40's. Nothing necessarily new under the sun. Just thought it noteworthy how closely these capture so many core operating values of the modern Iowa meditating community. -Doug in FF I'd say that about the last thing MMY had in mind in establishing a meditating community in ffld was to have it resemble a christian religion with strong democratic roots, and I think the operation of the core tmo in flld shows that very clearly. Maybe some tmers in ffld have something different in mind but they're a breakaway sect from the core founding group that has it roots in authoritarian brahminism. Visiting the FF Meditating Ashramic Law Meditating Fairfield is mostly a welcoming place to Meditators. Below is an un-published listing of common Fairfield meditator ways. As social mores these have developed and are essentially as old as the meditating community itself. Go along and you'll git along fine like most who have come here to meditate and who then have subsequently stayed on. Oh, the common spiritual practice is silent meditation mostly when together unless guided otherwise. Group meditations may vary. Consult the Fairfield Directory of Active Spritual Practice Groups to help find your way around: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/210559 However, the un-written FF Ashramic Law: First Are all the meetings for meditation attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are Meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do Meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of meditation, and in plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are meditators clear of importing, vending distilling, and the unnecessary use of all intoxicating liquors and drugs? And attending places and practices of diversion? And do they observe moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do meditators maintain a testimony against rajas', priests' and ministers' wages? Against slavery; oaths; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them? With these,come meditate and live with peace in Fairfield. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Mission Accomplished..ha, ha!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Speaking of Mafia Types check out Obama's pick for his IL Senate seat in 2010, former mob-connected investment banker, basketball buddy and current Illinois State Treasurer, Alexi Giannoulias: http://tinyurl.com/bar963 Obama had nothing to do with who was appointed to his senate seat or who will run in the future. Wow, a State Treasurer to run for the Senate, whoever heard of such a thing? [Giannoulias]family's business, Chicago-based Broadway Bank, has ties to organized crime...convicted felon and former Obama friend Tony Rezko also has ties to Broadway Bank. Rezko is facing criminal charges in Nevada for nine bad checks totaling $450,000 payable to Las Vegas casinos for gambling debts written on his account at Broadway Bank...Giannoulias is so tainted by reputed mob links that several top Illinois Dems, including the state's speaker of the House and party chairman, refused to endorse him even after he won the Democratic nomination with Obama's help. Yes, Murdoch's NY Post - what a great source for unbiased info on democratic politicians. Hey raunchy, want me to list all the times the Post has revealed the Clintons' close ties to criminals, not to mention their actual involvement in felonies? I'm sure you believe all those too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Mission Accomplished..ha, ha!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Speaking of Mafia Types check out Obama's pick for his IL Senate seat in 2010, former mob-connected investment banker, basketball buddy and current Illinois State Treasurer, Alexi Giannoulias: http://tinyurl.com/bar963 Obama had nothing to do with who was appointed to his senate seat or who will run in the future. Wow, a State Treasurer to run for the Senate, whoever heard of such a thing? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/CartoonPopUp.aspx?id=320632820337258 I wonder if invading Mexico for humanitarian reasons counts here? We need to undermine the main two cartels.. The drug cartel and the oil cartel. Decriminalize Mary Jane, would be a good start. Replacing the gas hogs would be another good start. Then these mafia types will just fade away. Or the mafia types will go into a new line of business as I know all too well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_re...@... wrote: Stimulus Package what a bill of goods the American people have been sold.it is not a stimulus, it is plain old government spending, they call it a stimulus thoughexcuse me, I have a degreee in economics and have studied it for 30 yearswhat are they stimulating?...they missed the target by milesbut its politicians hard at work...telling us what they want us to hear! The plan provides immediate tax relief targeted at middle income which provides the highest spending ratio. It provides funding for millions of new jobs. It provides relief to states to continue services which allow them to keep jobs and provide aid which allows people to continue spending. Please give your expert opinion on what a govt stimulus plan looks like and how it doesn't include spending. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: The banking system often has been characterized as parasitic. The metaphor is appropriate on more than one plane. Most people think of parasites simply as leeches, draining nourishment from the host. But biological nature is more complex. In order for parasites to succeed they must first numb the host's pain-warning system so that they can get a foothold. They then take control of the host's brain. The trick the host into believing that the parasite is part of its own body, and indeed even its child, to be nurtured, protected and given preference. They turn the host into a zombie. So the problem we are facing is not zombie banks, but the ability of Wall Street to create a zombie economy. -- Michael Hudson. Read More: http://tinyurl.com/dync4n The stimulus package arrived with the price tag and on roughly the schedule Obama had set for it. The president's job approval percentage now ranges from the mid 60s (Gallup, Pew) to mid 70s (CNN) � not bad for a guy who won the presidency with 52.9 percent of the vote. While 48 percent of Americans told CBS, Gallup and Pew that they approve of Congressional Democrats, only 31 (Gallup), 32 (CBS) and 34 (Pew) percent could say the same of their G.O.P. counterparts. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/opinion/15rich.html?_r=1 Gallup - February 27, 2009 - Obama Approval Rating *Increases* to 67% http://www.gallup.com/poll/116224/Obama-Approval-Rating-Increases.aspx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_re...@... wrote: Is it Miss Do.Rflex or Mr Do.Rflex, That's a similar attitude to those whose 'expert' economic back ground got us into this mess in the first place. The same kind of in-it-for-the-wealthy 'experts' who fought tooth and nail against FDR's New Deal spending Actually 300 million Americans got us into this mess in the first place, we all lived way beyond our means since 1980. We all borrowed too much, too much debt... And the housing mess was certainly created by congress, Clinton and Bush by putting pressure on banks to make subprime loans so that everyone could own a house, even if they could not afford to make the payments. This is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. There was absolutely no pressure for any bank to make any subprime loan to anyone they didn't want to. The Community Reinvestment Act is irrelevant to the subprime crisis. It was highly profitable for banks to make subprime loans due to easy money monetary policies and the ability to sell off the risk in the secondary market. The mortgage sector did not take out billions $ in advertising marketing ever more esoteric and risky loans because they were being forced to -- it was easy money with little to no risk. And of course Greenspan's easy money did not help either. Derivatives, off balance sheet SUV's, CDO's also contributed to mess. I'd say that derivatives are the central aspect of the crisis - without the completely deregulated derivatives market (thanks to gramm and the other worshippers of the deregulation religion), we'd be having a housing downturn and mild recession right now. It's the massively leverage, completely non-transparent derivatives market that has wall street freaked and taxpayers going broke. VP Joe Biden said the stimulus has a 70% chance of working.which really means it has a 50% chance of working. It is laden with pork and programs that are wasteful, and it has aspects to it that are beneficial. If you recall LBJ's great society in the 60's and early 70's.Ten years later, the misery index -- the unemployment rate plus the inflation rate -- was 19.9, heading for 22 percent in 1980. So this Obama stimulus is not a sure bet and I would bet anyone that before years end he will be back again for Stimulus part 2 because this one that got passed last week is off the mark and its effect is too far out into the future the stock market is a voting mechanism, and it has dropped approx -10% since the bill got passed, so that is a vote of no confidence in the bill and the current fix it proposals out there There is not one pork or earmark project in the bill. You may not like some of the spending but it's a spending bill, that's how you stimulate. The stimulus bill was not enough and there will be a need for another one later = due to republicans like bettyblue who cut it back and have some secret way to stimulate without spending. The great society spending of the 60s was at a time of economic expansion, not a time of potential economic depression. Hoover reflects perfectly bettyblue's economic philosophy at a time of impending depression and we know how that turned out. Let's get it straight, obama did not push a stimulus bill because he wants to, he's doing it because of the crisis created in the past 8 yrs by people that I assume bettyblue loved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: Stimulus Package what a bill of goods the American people have been sold.it is not a stimulus, it is plain old government spending, they call it a stimulus thoughexcuse me, I have a degreee in economics and have studied it for 30 yearswhat are they stimulating?...they missed the target by milesbut its politicians hard at work...telling us what they want us to hear! That's a similar attitude to those whose 'expert' economic back ground got us into this mess in the first place. The same kind of in-it-for-the-wealthy 'experts' who fought tooth and nail against FDR's New Deal spending. The same kind of thinking found with the obstructionist right wingers who ran the GOP economic titanic we face today. [NOTE: Stock market crash was in 1929 under Republican President Herbert Hoover. FDR was inaugurated in 1933.] Here are some hard facts: The New Deal worked, worked well, and worked quickly. The economy had hit rock bottom in March 1933 and then started to expand. As historian Broadus Mitchell notes, Most indexes worsened until the summer of 1932, which may be called the low point of the depression economically and psychologically.[18] Economic indicators show the economy reached nadir in the first days of March, then began a steady, sharp upward recovery. Thus the Federal Reserve Index of Industrial Production hit its lowest
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Let it go. You're not going to win. Within ten years marijuana will be tolerated in every state. And then people will have a clear choice between the perceived benefits of meditating up or toking up. I think that's what you're afraid of -- that given the choice, they're going to make the wrong (from your perspective) choice. Nate Silver thinks it'll take a 60% supermajority in order to get it legalized and analyzing trends predicts that'll be in 2022 - so a little more than 10 yrs. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/02/americans-growing-kinder-to-bud.html Interesting that polls show more support for legalizing pot than for republicans.
[FairfieldLife] Republicans like their porn
Eight of the top 10 pornography consuming states gave their electoral votes to John McCain in last year's presidential election Florida and Hawaii were the exceptions. While six out of the lowest 10 favoured Barack Obama. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-in-the-usa-conservatives-are-biggest-consumers.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mr. Jindal's Neighborhood
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: I just found out Jindal was born as a Hindu, but converted to Roman Catholicism. In either case, both religions perform yagyas. You don't have to be a TMer to appreciate the support of Nature through yagyas. Somehow in my 14 yrs of catholic education I missed attending or hearing about the catholic fire ceremonies to the vedic gods. Of course Jindal is known for having written about performing an exorcism on someone in which he claims to have successfully driven out the devil, so obviously the guy is enlightened. Although he is an intelligent person (a Rhodes scholar at that), his success in politics has to be attributed to other intangibles which are not related to education alone. Others may call it Luck. Well George W, an evangelical and an idiot, rose much higher than Jindal, so I'd say Jesus kicks vedic butt when it comes to luck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Don't knock his act. You have to appreciate how he got to where he is from a humble immigrant beginning. He may have the support of Nature through an undisclosed yagya. If he's turned to Christianity, then his pastor may doing something special. He may have the support of Nature through an undisclosed yagya? WTF are you talking about? You drank way too much TMO kool-aid friend. (unless you're putting me on. If so.that's a good one!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Anybody watch Bobby Jindal's response to Obama's address to Congress last night? This clip nails it. Very funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wROwWvq6zvw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
Does Ms Loya fear children might get the idea one can smoke some dope and become, say, president of the United States, or the greatest swimmer of all time? Good article on how taxing pot could solve CA's budget problems, includes above quote http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2009/feb/24/california-marijuana-legalisation-legislation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Pot has been used for thousands of years and has never been anything but a boon to any culture -- until Hearst et al. Actually, research being done at Columbia University for the last 10 years shows that cannabis use (yes plain old marijuana) increases the likelihood of developing psychosis by ten fold. You are joking right? Another satire? quote Down at the bottom of the CNN report (Marijuana may increase psychosis risk, analysis says ) on the Lancet published study that claims that frequent marijuana use may cause psychosis we find: Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications. Thank goodness that the drug companies have those scientists on staff. As seems quite possible a scientist could make quite different conclusions from the study. CNN's nay sayer offers weak protest: Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive. but Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added. Actually, the Lancet report does offer to rule out pre-existing conditions but don't let that stop mainstream news from burying any protests against cooked science deeply under a mountain of neocon BS. Also, note the politically convenient timing of the report: In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class B category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences. It has been shown that the War on Drugs has increased terrorism (especially in poor third world countries). It is still possible that marijuana is being used by psychotic people like medical marijuana is, as an actual palliative. This could be what the drug companies fear, a natural, growable, alternative to their expensive drugs. quote 2 Psychosis and Marijuana Use There is no proof that cannabis can cause a psychosis with people who don't have a history of psychotic behavior or a tendency for psychosis. It is a fact that only a small percentage of the estimated 300 000 people who smoke cannabis in Holland become psychotic. As far as we know it only concerns people who are consciously or unconsciously sensitive for psychosis. However, it is possible that cannabis can turn out badly with healthy people as well and cause anxiety or depression. Fortunately, these symptoms will not last and quickly disappear. There is no proof whatsoever that long-term and daily use of cannabis can cause a psychosis among healthy people, but the risk cannot be totally ignored. There are examples of people in India who - after years of daily use - started to show symptoms similar to psychosis, like hallucinations, delusions and total introversion. However, these are just descriptions of cases and are not scientifically proven. So cannabis is almost positively harmful to people who tend to psychosis. Therefore, in 1993 research was done at the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam (AMC) among 93 psychotic patients. It showed that 61% of the patients who used cannabis during 15 months, more than once a day, fell back into a psychosis. Almost every user suffering from psychosis turned out to use cannabis at least a year before their first psychosis. According to the researcher it meant that the use of cannabis by vulnerable people could result in developing a psychosis. (Source: Don Linszen et al., Archives of General Psychiatry 1994). Further research to the use of cannabis by people with a tendency to psychosis shows that: * Relapse in a psychosis occurs more often among cannabis users than non-cannabis users. * Cannabis has a negative effect on the course of the psychosis. * Users of cannabis suffering from a psychosis become psychotic faster, more heavily and more sustained. * Users of cannabis with a tendency to psychosis become psychotic at a younger age than non-users. * Medication necessary for psychotic patients is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama NOT the torturer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: He stressed the mistreatment did not appear to be directed from above, but was an initiative undertaken by frustrated U.S. army and navy jailers on the ground. It did not seem to be a reaction against the election of Obama, a Democrat who has pledged to close the prison camp within a year, but rather a realization that there was little time remaining before the last 241 detainees, all Muslim, are released. WTF was that bullshit spin for Shemp? Is Sean Hannity giving you a bit of reach around or something? It's how brain dead republicans think - shemp doesnt understand that the article actually contradicts his headline.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but also have many physical side effects plus the well known clouding over of the personality and emotions for many people, plus a study I saw last week saying that certain antidepressants in fact didn't have any benefit at all, plus the overprescription of antidepressants to children and to low depression patients who could be treated other ways, YET despite all this we still find a way to get antidepressants to people who need them... but mention cannabis and immediately scenes from reefer madness come to mind and teh possibility that some people will have negative effects means hundreds of thousands of americans are in jail. I'd like to see more equality in how we view pharmaceutical versus non pharmaceutical drugs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowing the Qualifications - Now Invincible America Course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: you may want to take another look at Hi$ Holine$$ the Dalia Lama: www.guidestar.org lists twenty eight non-profit organizations raising money for the Dalai Lama, and one hundred and fifty four raising money for Tibet. Tibet isn't getting any freer (just the opposite) and the DL seems to spend all of that money hobnobbing with heads of state and jet setters. by contrast there is exactly -one- organization raising money for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and nine raising money for Transcendental Meditation. What?. There are dozens and dozens of non profit TMO organizations listed that raised money for the movt. 10 yrs ago these orgs had assets approaching $1 billion. since then the tmo has suffered investment losses and transferred close to $500 million offshore, but still has probably close to $300 million onshore. and this is just US, not India accounts or swiss accounts. The dalai lama doesn't come close to MMY when it comes to raising money and anyone who doesn't know this is woefully ignorant of tmo finances. In looking through the dozens (not one) of TMO non profits, I noticed that the Settle Foundation has their tax return up for 2007. The Settles are funding the Invincible America Course. I think 2007 was the 1st yr of the course, right? It's a simple form, they gave a grant of $2 million to Maharishi Global Country of World Peace and one for $4 million to Maharishi Global Development Fund. I'm trying to figure out how the money was spent. I think they gave $600 per month per course participant in 2007, though I'm not sure. At that amount, the $6 million would fund over 800 CPs, which they clearly didn't have. A lot of the money probably went to financing the pundits in ffld, plus some for overhead. The $2 million grant to raja wynne's fantasyland global peace country was maybe to build the trailer park out there that the pundits are now in. If that rate of funding continued, then the Settles are now getting up to the $18 million level in donations to the TMO. Actually start-up costs for the pundits have probably declined some, so let's say they're at $15 million, still a pretty penny. It seems the $15 million for an Invincible America has succeeded in creating the worst economic crisis in America since the Great Depression (and the foreign crises are still there too). Of course from the TB viewpt, this only shows maharishi's brilliant enlightenment, as he obviously knew that the US govt would never fork over the $ billion he wanted to come save the country with sidhas and pundits unless it faced a full blown crisis and nothing else was working. Now the US govt will finally see the light and come to the TM movt with billions in hand while bowing down to Maharishi. Well, the Rajas now have a new plan- hey, if they can give a trillion to Wall Street, then they can afford to give a trillion to the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowing the Qualifications of a Teacher 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: lol-- you crack me up! Judy wrote: He reminds me of the right-wing crackpots who went around waving lists of the people supposedly murdered by Bill Clinton, his drug deals, and so on. If you seemed dubious, they'd haul out ever-more- spectacular stories about his sins, as if the worse things they said about him, the more likely doubters would be convinced they were all true. He reminds me of that left-wing crackpot, Bill Moyers, who went around with J. Edgar trying to dig up dirt on people, waving around lists of people he thought were gay. So Willy thinks Texans and the FBI are big douchbags. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Bob: Yearbook Page at MUM LIbrary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@... wrote: I think he was, but I'll double check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: A Raam to anyone who can find a picture of Deepak in any of the '90s yearbooks. Anyone else edited out? I'm glad to see that I haven't yet been removed. I liked seeing there was a donor category for people who gave $10. Fascinating seeing all the familiar faces ... but we should have known something was very wrong when every single guy there is wearing a coat and tie in 1976 while in college.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowing the Qualifications of a Teacher 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: He reminds me of that left-wing crackpot, Bill Moyers, who went around with J. Edgar trying to dig up dirt on people, waving around lists of people he thought were gay. So Willy thinks Texans and the FBI are big douchbags. So, you're a Bill Moyer's watcher - I thought so. I'm just glad willytex to see you stand up for gay rights. It takes courage for a texan like you to stand up and say you care about gays.
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Peter, Hey, where am I on record here thinking I was perfect and the TMO was solely imperfect? I should have never moved to FF -- period, so yeah, it's all my bad that I subjected myself to the whole shebang. I don't think the TMO owes me anything -- I gave all I gave freely as an adult. That said, they're still milking the masses by way of an invidious process of chicanery. That's my only gripe: that they're still up to their old tricks and I, knowing about that, do nothing to alert the massesrelying on caveat empor as my excuse for this sin of omission. To me the biggest sin of the TMO is the severe challenge it creates for a practitioner who finally sees clearly the true nature of the cult. I believe that the TMO has sullied the advancement of spirituality in the world by seeding it with literally millions of naysayers who were bilked by the TMO and who never tried another spiritual program because of the bad taste of TMO-type spirituality. Weak and special, huh? Thanks for the professional analysis. Yeah, I can make sense of those poem words -- can't you, haven't you been weak and seemed special? You're projecting it, so it must be so, right? I am weak to my own addictions, and I'm special because, well, everyone is, but one thing I am not is a true believer who takes all sorts of abuse and expects others to turn a blind eye to that abuse upon themselves also. And, hey, I can thank the TMO for delivering that lesson to me, so there's that at least. Right now in FF there are bright eyed TB kids still caught up with the mystique. Last time I lived there, two of my son's friends had just graduated from MUM and were going to TTC. They did that and went out into the world like two Mormons full of passion to save the world. Nothing wrong with that, except that both these guys were fucking brilliant and literally could have gone to any college and learned anything, but instead, they've wasted years trying to be a success at hawking TM to an unhearing world. Yeah, they matured from that experience, but by the time they figured it all out, they'd lost tremendous opportunities, tons of educational momentum, and found themselves way behind career-wise, education-wise, et al. To me, this is a huge sin that MUM and the TMO fosters -- they use EVERYONE AS FODDER and change lives FOREVER. Edg Right on Edg. Don't let anyone who has had nothing to do with ffld or the tmo in decades or maybe never and who don't see what's still going on with real lives there everyday shut you up. If you don't see what's going on with real lives then it's easy to say just get over it all so we can go back to reminiscing about the good ol days at MIU in the 70s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A timely message from DR. GIRISH VARMA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickm...@... wrote: A timely message from Dr. Girish Varma Please send to everyone you know Your help is needed to support our dear Vedic Pandits and complete the construction for 8,000 MAHARISHI VEDIC PANDITS at the BRAHMASTHAN of INDIA. Let us fulfill Maharishi's goal to bring peace and prosperity to our dear world: https://vedicpandits.org As I've written mucho times, about $500 million has been transferred from the Maharishi Global Development Fund to TMO offshore bank acc'ts over the past 8 yrs or so. The MGDF seems to be where the $million course fees and other pundit donations go to which means the offshore acct's would be stopping off pts for the money before going onto India. Why is $500 million not enough already to support 8000 pundits in India?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
Caffeine is an addictive drug, affecting 90% of all Americans, which alters the brain's natural state, and stimulates it in a manner similar to the amphetamines, cocaine and heroin. http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/caffeine.asp For his own good I call upon all fairfielders to keep Doug from going to Cafe Paradiso and getting his daily caffeine fix. For the sake of maintaining the purity of fairfield, please please do it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Om, that spirituality place found in the brain. Two of the more interesting links on FFL in recent times have gone to brain and neuro research on meditation by non-TM researchers. I'd bet a dollar or a box of donuts that, when looked at further, chronic pot use corrupts or at least interferes with the brain function of spirituality. It is just science. Neuro- physiology. And like, you can see it in the auric field. Can't you ? Don't ya think, given the incredible strength of the concentrated drug delivery in the modern hybrid pot plant, there evidently ought to be at least a 30 day drug-abstinence policy prior to being able to learn to meditate. Like, you can just see it in pot users. Two week pot-abstinence simply is not enough to protect their experience. Administratively, 30 or 45 days might as well become mandatory for prospective meditators or else is just a waste of the meditation teacher's time. can now easily test for pot residue in the system at the time of personal instruction, much like in the workplace it can be tested for or in traffic stops now for law-enforcement. That intoxication of the altered state of brain function of the high aside, the chemical drug residues of past pot use stick around quite a long time in the system. Is evidently a corruptor of more than innocence, the meditation program. A life opportunity of coming to meditation and the meditation experience itself is so especially precious a human right (inalienable) that pot users everywhere need to be looked after for their own welfare; as well as looking to that larger communal welfare of society. Because after all is said, being born free in the potential of meditating with a clear mind and clean nervous system is a shame to `waste' with pot. Is of criminal proportion against humanity. Is this that is the large difference between just some altered state and those spiritually exalted states of experience natural to human beings. Pot is nothing short of corruption. Simply is the science and experience of it, and let the due process of law convict pot use as a malefic everywhere in civil society. Pot use, it's a sin against all that is spiritual and good in humanity. Jai Guru Dev, The simple explanation is that: Pervasive use of modern powerful pot is the larger spiritual societal problem with people not meditating anymore. Folks just don't have transcendent spiritual experiences anymore or are hazy at best with pot use. Yeah, that Designer pot use and its addiction in society Is too bad. Oh, regulate it like a real drug. Marijuana Addicts Anonymous: http://www.marijuana-anonymous.org/ om
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: --- On Mon, 2/23/09, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: Right on Edg. Don't let anyone who has had nothing to do with ffld or the tmo in decades or maybe never and who don't see what's still going on with real lives there everyday shut you up. If you don't see what's going on with real lives then it's easy to say just get over it all so we can go back to reminiscing about the good ol days at MIU in the 70s. Hey, I still do my program. I don't live in Ffld anymore, but the point still applies. You're waiting for the slave master to set you free. Guess what, it ain't going to happen. The slave stops being a slave the day he decides not to be a slave. Are there consequences, of course there are, but they don't matter anymore because you're not a slave anymore. I'm not condemning anyone for be a slave, but if you bitch and moan about how unfair the slave master is, you're still just being a slave. That's what a slave master does, its his dharma. I'm not waiting for anyone to set me free, I have nothing to do with the system. Having come to a wide variety of revelations about MMY and the TMO that I would have found impossible to conceive years ago and coming to some amazing observations about how the mind works as a result and also some amazing insights about how the tmo and similar spiritual groups work, I am motivated to help others who are working through the same illusions and mental straightjacket that longtime life in the tmo has put on them. I have no interest whatsoever in converting anyone happy in the tmo, I understand it and converting is something the tmo is obsessed with and I don't want to emulate them. Anyway, that's me, as far your post, I'm afraid I just don't understand the new age philosophy that pointing out someone's bs means you're still a slave to the bullshit. In helping someone decide to stop being a slave you often have to first help them see that there is a master=slave relationship going on and the master is a bullshit artist who's getting the best of the deal. I prefer doing this one on one, but have no problem with publicizing it online. I also find that anger is often the first stage of someone letting go of a slave abusive relationship and dont' see it as bitching and moaning but a waking up, though they definitely need to go on to less angry stages. Whether it's someone dharma to be a slavemaster or not is irrelevant with regards to seeing it as it is and even doing something about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Faculty at Buddhist girls' school find benefits of Transcendental Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://snipurl.com/cdsfr [www_globalgoodnews_com] Nice, thanks for posting this. There is hope for the Buddhists ! :-) Of course there is no hope for buddhists or any other spiritual person on earth unless they accept maharishi as the true teacher -- this attitude is why I hope the sweet girls at this school stick to doing their tm and keep far away from everything else about the tm org and its promoters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Any one know how to reacdh my lost friend Dr. Robert David
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:56 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Investigators from the Attorney General's Medicaid Fraud Control Units in Ft. Lauderdale and Miami arrested Lawrence and Debbie Boudreaux, co-owners of Specialty Medical Care Centers of South Florida and an affiliated pharmacy, Ambucare Infusion, Inc. The investigators also arrested Gladys Washington, a registered nurse employed as the center's director of quality assurance, for her part in facilitating improper Medicaid billings and medication orders. Police in Fairfield, Iowa, this morning arrested Dr. Robert David, who served as one of the facility's doctors. This seems to be the latest thing. Geez, who's gonna be next? Actually it took place back in 2004, but still... Sal I never heard of the guy but now I am intrigued with the story. Wonder what happened? my understanding is that he provided evidence against his cohorts and got off easy. he never really lived in florida, lived in ffld and periodically went down there to keep the scam going. he's still in ffld with a small practice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowing the Qualifications of a Teacher 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Interesting excerpt as it touches on why some gurus are simply not suitable to teach a path to liberation but actually are seeking refuge in acquisitiveness. -V. - you may want to take another look at Hi$ Holine$$ the Dalia Lama: www.guidestar.org lists twenty eight non-profit organizations raising money for the Dalai Lama, and one hundred and fifty four raising money for Tibet. Tibet isn't getting any freer (just the opposite) and the DL seems to spend all of that money hobnobbing with heads of state and jet setters. by contrast there is exactly -one- organization raising money for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and nine raising money for Transcendental Meditation. What?. There are dozens and dozens of non profit TMO organizations listed that raised money for the movt. 10 yrs ago these orgs had assets approaching $1 billion. since then the tmo has suffered investment losses and transferred close to $500 million offshore, but still has probably close to $300 million onshore. and this is just US, not India accounts or swiss accounts. The dalai lama doesn't come close to MMY when it comes to raising money and anyone who doesn't know this is woefully ignorant of tmo finances.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Curtis wrote: (Oops I was one of THEM!) Are you saying, Curtis, that you taught the 'caste system' as part of the TM practice? If so, you sucked as a TM teacher! The so-called caste system has nothing to do with TM. And the Marshy's religious views have nothing to do with anything but his own mindset. Yeah, mmy's religious views have nothing to do with his translation and commentary on the Gita, a central hindu scripture, nothing to do with Gita study classes, a routine offering of tm centers for yrs, nothing to do with the 1000s of hrs of lectures and numerous publications the tmo has put out on maharishi's vedic science, vedas having some religious aspect I believe, nothing to do with the tmo's focus on developing groups of pundits throughout india and in ffld who spend their days chanting traditional hindu ceremonies to gods, and nothing to do with the tmo's tv and webcasts all of which feature floating hindu gods and goddesses, and nothing to do with mmy crowning a King Ram to run his movt. Yeah, mmy's religious views have nothing to do with any of this, just his own mindset. This from a guy who's been with mmy since the 60s and admits to spending yrs and yrs on tm forums, this guy doesn't think mmy's religious views has anything to do with his teachings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: exactly. he thinks the 12 of us who have called him on his BS are upset and hateful towards him. nothing could be further from the truth. we think he is an arrogant little jerk parading around like some great teacher, and trashing the Maharishi and TM in the process. There are exceptions, but i've found thru extensive experience in the field that anyone who likes to say bashing maharishi or trashing maharishi are people who are incapable of hearing any criticism whatsoever of maharishi - their world requires it. As an interesting sidenote, i've noticed that many of these same people, over 50% for sure, had either an alcoholic or abusive parent. he is a delusional little fellow who lives in his head, thinking as he said that only he knows the truth, and the rest of us are ignorant fools - really pathetic stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip When someone is given (or in this case takes) a title, as per the previous description by the Dalai Lama on the qualifications of a teacher which flipped everyone out so much, In fact, as Vaj knows, *nobody* was flipped out by the Dalai Lama's description, or disturbed by it in the slightest. Some of us were annoyed at the way Vaj tried to use it to dump on MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Disgusting. This thread has devolved into where's the best Mexican food? I understand gallows humor, but I don't understand the caustic and haughty sniping at these poor kids who are now in a hell that cannot be imagined unless one has lived that reality too. These are our spiritual grandchildren -- they were raised in the FF village. This is not a time for whispered chuckles about these kids. snip for brevity Absolutely. There is more to it though. These headlines though do not even much touch the longtime local pernicious story with it. Which is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Even if it did pan out, it would be a hallmark in Indian philosophical revisionism, as MMY consistently has tried to tie older, pre-Vedic writings to the Vedas. This would most likely appeal to Brahmins, caste system advocates and right-wing religious zealots, as it's a history essentially re-written for them: the Vedic supremacists. It is such weird irony that it was the baby boomer hippies who made him famous when his views were so conservative and in many cases represented the opposite of the egalitarian hippie movement. And to hear apologists for the the caste system in the movement is a real disgrace to the progressive values of the best thinkers of our generation. (Oops I was one of THEM!) Ginsberg sniffed it out early on. It took most of us longer. Maharishi was not cool. Simple as that. I agree completely, mmy was not cool. But he was a natural marketer and knew to hide his fundamentalist views early on, so I'm not too down on myself for being fooled. Plus I feel he really changed over time. This is heresy to tmers who view the man as absolute enlightened non-changing, but like everyone he changed as he got older. 2 main factors I think: externally, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and internally a deflected kundalini energy flow which gives fantastic spiritual experiences in youth but being unintegrated (an experience not a life lived) leads increasingly to imbalanced mental/emotional states later on. You see this a lot in successful, high shakti, charismatic gurus who when they come on the scene are clearly drawing on some internal spiritual energy but who act increasingly nuts over time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And to hear apologists for the the caste system in the movement is a real disgrace to the progressive values of the best thinkers of our generation. (Oops I was one of THEM!) My TB friends every once in a while mention something positive about caste systems. Things like the value of reducing the stress of having to find your place in the world. Or the value of having fathers pass on knowledge to their sons. Somehow, women seem to be left out. :) I am reading some books on the reconstruction era of the South. They have the same arguments about how much happier freed slaves would be with someone to guide them because of the inferiority of their race. They even have the arguments about how much better off they would be to know their place in the next world too! Devious humans are so predictable when they try to run a number on other people, same raps, same scripts. And the same bullshit oppression wrapped up in the smiling assurance that it is all for your own good cuz those in power know best. According to the vedic caste system that the tmo loves, MMY was not born to be a spiritual teacher or a CEO. MMY thoroughly violated the caste system and having made his fame and fortune came out in favor of the caste system and everyone else sticking to their proper place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:13 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I'm sorry, I would have to stand by what I said. Have you ever met a real yogi? On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, shukra69 wrote: see Vaj's recent comments about Maharishi for the hypocrisy of his crying ad hominin and debate Real Yogi...? Is that like a Real Christian or a Real Buddhist or a Real Unitarian-Universalist...? No, an actual yogi, as in an practitioner and realizer of yoga- darshana as opposed to someone without any of the aforementioned, but nonetheless promotes him or herself as a yogi. MMY never claimed to be enlightened, if anything he suggested otherwise when he made the comment that even a Doctor who was sick could prescribe medicine for a sick person, paraphrased. Oh come on, everyone in the tmo thinks mmy is fully enlightened and he has encouraged that - lately the official line at their boring ceremonies has been the most enlightened sage to ever walk the earth. The doctor comment was in response to a question about how tm teachers who obviously weren't enlightened could teach tm, ie not enlightened like he was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I saw Obama's press conference on TV today with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Curiously, towards the end of it, Obama thanked those Canadians that crossed the border to work on his campaign. Is that legal? let's see, I wonder how knows more about the legalities of presidential campaigns, shemp or obama? What's up shemp, given up on claiming obama isn't american? I'm a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. (and I do NOT have dual citizenship) who pays my taxes to the U.S. government and as far as I know I am not allowed to contribute monitarily to candidates or campaigns in the U.S. (I say this because every time I get a phone soliticitation during campaigns asking for money that as soon as I tell them I am a foreign national and not a U.S. citizen, it abruptly ends the call). I'm probably allowed to volunteer my time (stuffing envelopes, etc.) but I'm not even sure about that. But are non-residents, non- citizens allowed to do that? 'Cause if they aren't then Obama today thanked foreign visitors to the U.S. for participating in illegal activities (and before Bongo Brazil goes postal on me, hey, I'm just asking...I do NOT know the rules!)
[FairfieldLife] Raunchydog joins the feeble-minded (was Re: To Randy about Vaj)
Dear vaj and T, could you guys please put me in touch with your CIA handler - I might as well get paid for pointing out tmo nonsense too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:11 AM, raunchydog wrote: emptybill, tHis explains a lot. Knowing the motivations and affiliation of a would be interloper on FFLife helps level the playing field. Thanks. Vaj is a Hare Krishna guy? Who knew? As he hypocritically hides the identity of his affiliation, ashamed and fearful of derision, he enjoys the catbird seat judging TM'ers. Coward. I've visited the ISKCON Temple in Detroit a few times. They serve a great lunch. They also serve up a thing or two on their website that sounds like Vaj's POV: http://tinyurl.com /ckocau I'm not a Hare Krishna guy, nor did I meet Kirk at a Dzogchen retreat, etc., etc. It's just all lies by Empty Bill. There are several things fascinating to me about this latest bash Vaj fest. The first is that people like Nabby and now emptybill are so threatened by the ideas he presents here that they feel the need to make things up and then attempt to demonize him with them. Great commercial for TM, eh? Another interesting commmercial for TM is how quickly mental midgets attached to TM like ed11 and raunchydog play pile on to agree to the made-up things, and join in with the demonization. Still another fascinating thing is that the person who claimed to be motivated by fairness and her self-appointed role of Lie Exposer will say nothing about emptybill's claims, or even ask him to substantiate them. Just imagine the hissy fit she'd be throwing if some anti- TMer said similar things about one of the few lingering TM defenders here. She would *at the least* ask for verification. But she will not in this case. But for me the most fascinating thing about the bash Vaj syndrome is how the people leading the bashing are so completely clueless about when they have been attacked, as they claim that they have been, and that they are responding in kind to. Take yesterday's tempest in a pisspot. Vaj posted a quote from the Dalai Lama, *without comment*. That was followed almost immediately by ed11 reacting as if his manhood...uh...sorry, her womanhood had been threatened. Then Judy played pile on, making up things right and left, and dealing *only* in demonization of Vaj. All because of a post in which Vaj DID NOT EVEN OFFER AN OPINION. All he did was post a quote from the Dalai Lama. And now, in the aftermath, we see Nabby and ed11 badrapping and putting down not only Vaj but the Dalai Lama and Buddhism as a whole. We see Nabby and emptybill coming up with stories that Vaj (and, according to Nabby, me as well) are being sponsored or paid by some nefarious institution or organization or competing spiritual tradition whose aim is to destroy TM. All because of a single quote from the Dalai Lama. And they call Vaj threatened. These are people who CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between having some of their beliefs challenged by a contradictory belief, and being personally attacked. And so when someone here posts something that *does* challenge their beliefs, they feel personally attacked, and attack back. All of this was the result of a single quote by the Dalai Lama, who almost certainly did not have TM or Maharishi in mind when he originall spoke or wrote it. And yet the paranoid, feeble-minded TM defenders of Fairfield Life HAVE GONE CRAZY as a result of it being posted. Again, a great commercial for TM, n'est-ce pas?
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Randy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Fact is, none of us experience what Maharishi priomised. Not a single lift-off ever in TMO. Sorry mate, plenty of lift-off's. I done app 7 meters in one jump myself. Yours, and many many others, problem is that you lack patience and more importantly; seriousness. Hovering is happening, albeit in the first stages for many serious students of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, but not from amateurs like you. For some strange reason and good luck you bumped into a real Master. Since you didn't get instant gratification you moved on. The Turq here is a good example; he moved on but got nowhere. Now he's in a limbo and spends most of his life writing 7 long posts against the TMO and Judy, probably the only intelligent woman he ever knew, every day on a forum almost noone reads and whines about his lack of funds because nobody gives him work. He is on a dead-end road big time, and so are you. OK Judy, prove you're not a TB, or ignore the amazing lies in the above.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowing the Qualifications of a Teacher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2009, at 9:14 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: sounds like HH the DL describes the Maharishi as an excellent and qualified teacher. good for him! Unfortunately for your skewed view of reality, it would not appear to be the case. Unfortunately, it would appear to be the case that it's Vaj's view of reality that's skewed... Errand boys and secretaries probably wouldn't fair so well in spiritual matters, ...but maybe that's because he's such a snob. How about carpenters, Vaj? Would they fair [sic] well in spiritual matters? esp. as teachers possessing, at least, relative knowledge. One wonders how to classify having sex with young members of the female gender would fare in such a synopsis? Oh, I don't think one wonders about this, do you? If you can't meet the criteria of your senses are controlled. Otherwise your senses will be like wild horses, pulling you into unfit actions, what does that mean about lusting after young kids Notice how here Vaj fails to specify the gender or the age of the kids. With any luck, those who read what he writes will think he means MMY was a pedophile alleged to have preyed on prepubescent boys, in addition to the young women he mentions above. Isn't that clever of Vaj? and acquiring palaces in Holland (or wherever) Palaces?? Is Vaj referring to the old monastery at Vlodrop? to live in? And what's with the silk underwear? Is that meant to restrain your senses? Where would desire for world domination fall in all of this? Where would it fall in his silk underwear? (World domination. Hilarious.) Should we go through the criteria, one by one? I'd really enjoy that. Let's do it! Oh, yes, let's! Why don't we start with this: If you cannot find anyone who has all of these attributes, at least find someone who has more good qualities than defects. Very few give any response to the posts by this Buddhist fundamentalist Vaj. He is ignored yet year after year he spends a lot of time here with his foolish propaganda and downright lies. I suppose he must be retired to have so much time on hand. Doen't he have better things to do, walking dogs for example ? ;-) I find Vaj very interesting, at least it's usually info I've not come across before even if I don't agree completely. What I actually don't get is why nabluss and the like post here. We've all been exposed to approved tmo doctrine for decades, we know all the perfect logic, spent 1000s of hours listening to mmy, even promoted it ourselves for years and years, but it doesn't work for us anymore and most of us here are looking to process our tmo involvement and freely explore alternative world views, or at least modify the approved doctrine to something that fits our reality (or some reality). WHY THE NEED for tmo TBs to try to enforce official tmo thinking here? I have no problem whatsoever doing it the way you do at all tmo functions formal and informal, that's your right. But why come here and just repeat the same language within the same belief system and get so upset that we're not in line? The reason we're not in line with your official worldview is not that we just need to hear the most perfect scientifically proven vedic concepts SOME MORE, it's that they don't work for us anymore. This site isn't filled with J.Knapp's who are out there as anti TM activists, we're just individuals generally with long spiritual histories working things out amongst ourselves -- that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, except those indoctrinated to view those outside their religious tribe as enemies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Crackpot Sen. Declares Victory Over Global Warming 'Conspiracy'
The thing to know about Inhofe is that he is a longtime influential member of The Family, a powerful group of christian fundamentalists that believes gov't should be based on biblical law. They know how politics is played and the need to not be too obvious about their real goals - thus they publicize a lot on pro family stuff but really want to undo secular govt and society (a la taliban). Inhofe really believes that earth was created 6000 yrs ago as the bible says, so you can imagine how real geologic and climate science must make his mind swoon. Here's a book on the group: http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/B001Q3KM4O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1234889066sr=1-1 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Inhofe Declares Victory Over The U.N.-MoveOn-Soros Global Warming Conspiracy: I've Prevailed On his radio show this morning, conservative talker Bill Bennett hosted the most prominent global warming denier in Congress, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK). Opening up the conversation on the subject, Bennett declared, I think you've prevailed on this. I really believe it, replied Inhofe, claiming that his opponents won't say global warming any more, they're trying to say climate change. He added that he thinks former Vice President Al Gore is getting nervous because, he claimed, the science is totally changed. Inhofe then claimed that more scientists are skeptical of climate change than those who believe in it: INHOFE: So the science, the science is totally changed. It was the IPCC, those Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change with the United Nations. But keep in mind, the only report you get from them is their summary for policy docs. And those are not scientists. There's only 52 scientists that signed on to those, to that, as opposed to what? Some 650 who now have rebuked that. FACTS: It shouldn't come as any surprise that Inhofe's comments are loose with the facts. The 52 scientists he refers to prepared the 2007 IPCC report's Summary for Policymakers, but the report itself was a synthesis of thousands of scientific papers and was built on the work of 2500 scientists over six years. As for Inhofe's discredited 650 skeptical experts, some of them actually support the theory of manmade global warming. Further proving the fallacy of Inhofe's claims, a survey of 3,146 earth scientists released earlier this week found that 90 percent believe that mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels and 82 percent believe that human activity has been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Ninety-seven percent of climatologists said humans play a role. Links here: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/22/inhofe-global-warming-prevailed/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowing the Qualifications of a Teacher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I'm not a tmo TB by any stretch, although I suspect you're including me here. No I don't. You use a different language generally and you use more objective logic. In fact my guess is that if you were to actually work for the tmo for a couple yrs you might get into trouble. I guess I would consider you a theoretical TM-SCI TB, which is just fine, except I don't think actual life and practice within the tmo community has much to do with TM or MMY's thinking a la the early 70s. From my perspective, it isn't at all a matter of trying to enforce official TMO thinking; it would be foolish in the extreme to make such an attempt. Often the alternative world view incorporates an extremely uncharitable interpretation of why the TMO has done or said something. In some of those cases, there's a more positive interpretation that's at least somewhat plausible. Since we don't know for sure what the TMO was thinking, it makes sense to me that both possible interpretations be provided. Plus which, there are a few people here whose negative views of the TMO/MMY/TMers are consistently expressed in an unnecessarily unpleasant, superior, demeaning, insulting tone. In at least some cases, what we're responding to is as much the tone as the specifics. My response to Vaj that you quote above was one such case. And then there are the flat-out factually inaccurate or grossly misleading criticisms. Nobody sensible should want their alternative worldview to be based on such statements. And when one of the unpleasant people mentioned above consistently comes out with factually inaccurate or misleading criticisms, it's awfully hard to resist thinking they're being deliberately dishonest. If you're dubious about what I just wrote, you might want to take into account how many of the criticisms made here we *don't* object to. If you compare those we don't object to to those we do object to, I think you'll probably find that the latter mostly, if not all, tend to fall into the above categories. snip This site isn't filled with J.Knapp's who are out there as anti TM activists, we're just individuals generally with long spiritual histories working things out amongst ourselves It's not filled with them, certainly, but there are several who seem to be at least informal anti-TM activists, who are here not to work things out but simply to bash. I think it would be extremely difficult to characterize Vaj as wanting to work things out for himself. He's already decided, and he wants to push anyone still on the fence to decide the same way, while at the same time nastily putting down anyone who leans the other way. And he doesn't seem to me to have many scruples as to how he accomplishes that, with regard either to honesty or minimal tolerance for disagreement.
[FairfieldLife] Post from ex member of catholic cult
http://steveskojec.com/2009/02/03/house-of-cards/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I'm not a biologist or geneticist but I think that 10,000 years is more than enough time for a species to select genetic traits. So I think you strengthen my point by reminding us that it's only been 10,000 years that dairy has been a part of the human diet. In fact, in populations that continued to drink milk beyond weaning age, there *has* been genetic adaptation, at least with regard to lactose intolerance. But dairy has not been part of the human diet universally by any means since 10,000 years ago, so the gene that turns off the ability to digest lactose after weaning persists, in widely varying percentages among groups with common ancestry (Ashkenazi Jews and others of Northern European ancestry, for example, have a very low percentage of lactose intolerance, whereas African Americans have a very high percentage). Addendum: Point being that diet has varied widely among different groups over 10,000 years depending on many different factors, so adaptation to different kinds of foods has varied widely as well. Talking strictly through my hat here--knowledgable folks please speak up!--I would guess that since lactose intolerance is a matter of a single gene, adaptation can take place fairly quickly; whereas adaptation to eating grains and beans rather than meat has to do with the physical structure of the digestive system as well as with enzyme production and other elements, so it may occur much more slowly. To bring this back down a notch, the issue here for me is that in the tmo it is assumed that a diet high in wheat, dairy and sugar is ideal for everyone because ayur-ved and/or MMY says so, and unfortunately many people in the tmo who are gluten and lactose intolerant have a tough time and IMO, no one should eat much refined sugar or flour. The issue I think is the tmo's usual thinking that one size fits all or is universal truth because it's vedic. A big awakening for a lot of sidhas when they realize that much of what mmy promotes is really just indian thinking not universal truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.
The bubble diagram was an intriguing way to conceptualize what was going on in meditation for me for years. Now, however, I find it to be major mental maya. The whole concept that you need to go somewhere to experience transcendence, not just away from sensory experience with eyes closed etc, not just away from corporal experience with cessation of breathing etc., but also to go deeper inside the mind or down into the ocean consciousness -- I experience all that to be a false and distracting concept. The only place I think you go to in the mind is to another place in the mind. The bubble diagram makes it sound better to go deeper down, but that's just imagery. The feeling of mental relaxation going on has its benefits, but it's not necessarily in the direction of transcendence, anymore than anything else the minds does. After I started practices such as chigong and tai chi, my teachers often had to stop me from going away inside whenever I began to feel more in the present, more integrated. What I've learned is that going away bubble style to deeper levels while experiencing this present moment, no thought, unified awareness was actually limiting my spiritual development, keeping it from becoming fully integrated, esp in body/emotions. OF course this gets us to another tmo classic, the dyeing the cloth analogy, which I also think is useful for the mind to have when beginning meditation, but which I now find counterproductive - either you experience transcendence as it naturally permeates all experience, including in an integrated manner with your body/emotion/thoughts, or you're not integrating it. (will try to post more on this later)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: as is common knowledge to anyone who practices TM, the Maharishi was insistent that he wasn't bringing out -anything new-. his was a revival of simple practical knowledge that had been lost. he stated this so many times, i was sure even those who haven't practiced TM in decades like yourself would have known that. MMY asserted that tm and other techniques came from a 5000 yr old tradition, but the tmo credits MMY with numerous new cognitions and interpretations of the veda, or in some cases, repackaging the concept so creatively as to be considered new. Actually I think the reverse is true: TM and the tm sidhis were made up by MMY, but most all of his concepts were taken from other vedic thinking already out there. and this was my context for statements about the bubble diagram. what you call slick packaging, i call an elegant and simple explanation. this is precisely what i mean when i talk about your rigid mind, Vaj. you have no clue about context. you are so lost in hearing yourself pontificate about obvious shit that you forget what is already basic knowledge for the rest of us. PS please continue not bothering to respond to my posts- lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:37 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: ha ha! you really ARE a stand up comedian, Vaj! wait, wait, i am bowing in obescience to your grand revelation to me-- the bubble diagram comes from Vedanta? holy shit, why didn't someone tell me before this?! Probably because they didn't want to embarrass you when you say clueless things like: i think the beauty and power of the bubble diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before. when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown concept. And then have you turn around and try to cover your tracks with misdirection, something you use a LOT to try to lead people away from your foibles: and yes, i am the Dawn of Delusion, yours and the other fellow's. great suggestion. delusion has dawned so clearly and obviously since i began calling you on it! The only thing I get from your responses is that you either don't understand what is being said or you just don't listen well and post knee-jerk responses posting your incongruent, off-subject beliefs. So while you might think you're calling people on it, all I see is you missing what people are saying and then pushing a TB agenda with parroted phrases. That's certainly why I don't even bother responding to most of your posts, because all they show to me is that you either weren't listening to what I said, you didn't understand what I was conveying or the allusions being made. I get the same feeling as when I'm having a conversation with someone and it's clear they're not really listening to what I'm saying, but just waiting for me to finish so they can interject what they have to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On the Edge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: We lost 2.6 million jobs in 2008, the worst since 1945. As economists call for Obama to put a freeze on job cuts http://tinyurl.com/bfd337 the economy continues to tank. Meanwhile, Obama is naively dithering with Republicans who think he's weak for offering bipartisanship on the stimulus package. Letting them tinker and diminish the bill's effectiveness when he doesn't need to, risks the economic well being of the country just for the sake of pandering for 2010 Republican votes. raunchydog I honestly don't think that's what's on his mind. I think he's really been convinced that his wonderfulness would be enough to bring everybody in line. He seems to be well aware that if his plans to revive the economy don't work, he'll be a one-term president; he's pandering to get the stimulus bill passed, not to get votes from Republicans in 2010, because he knows he ain't going to get *anybody's* votes if he can't fix the economy. But as you say, he wouldn't have to pander if he'd just show some real partisan leadership and graft a bit of backbone into the Democrats. Let's see how he does with his address to the nation on Monday. So you think that the REpublicans won't filibuster the bill as it stands now? If they have the votes they will, if they don't they won't. The dow is up over 400 pts since the moment yesterday that reid said he has the votes to pass it - so far the markets are saying that's still the case, and sounds right to me. I'd say 80% odds not enough votes to filibuster.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: The Global Country is part of MMY's plan to recreate the reign of Ramachandra who lived eons of years ago, even before the coming of Krishna. At that time, the empire of Ramachandra was ideal in that the world was supposedly graced by the incarnations of the divine personality in the form of Ramachandra himself and his three other brothers. Thus, the functioning of society promoted peace and prosperity for the people, mainly due to following the varna system, or the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudra. Similarly, MMY has appointed Nader Ram as the world leader and is to be supported by the various rajas who are in charge of the 108 sectors of the world. Why is this posted here, and why has it been posted now? Everyone outside the inner circle thinks it's total bullshit. They either say it openly or think it privately. There can't be more than 100 people who think the raja thing is a bright idea. Could it be that the inner circle are getting worried that no one is taking them seriously and suddenly feel the need to keep banging on about how important they are? It could be. Interesting they make a big deal of the caste system - could be the serfs in the movt are making some noise about wanting more of something and they feel the need to remind them that remaining poor unquestioning serfs is vital to world peace. I've also heard that at least 1 raja is getting fed up with the whole nonsense and maybe they're reminding the rajas that they're not just a source of funds but world rulers, really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: The Global Country is part of MMY's plan to recreate the reign of Ramachandra who lived eons of years ago, even before the coming of Krishna. At that time, the empire of Ramachandra was ideal in that the world was supposedly graced by the incarnations of the divine personality in the form of Ramachandra himself and his three other brothers. Thus, the functioning of society promoted peace and prosperity for the people, mainly due to following the varna system, or the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudra. Similarly, MMY has appointed Nader Ram as the world leader and is to be supported by the various rajas who are in charge of the 108 sectors of the world. Why is this posted here, and why has it been posted now? Everyone outside the inner circle thinks it's total bullshit. They either say it openly or think it privately. There can't be more than 100 people who think the raja thing is a bright idea. Could it be that the inner circle are getting worried that no one is taking them seriously and suddenly feel the need to keep banging on about how important they are? Shurg Label me one of those semi-genius* types who thinks the raja thiing is brilliant. Don't know my IQ, but taught myself Calculus when I was 15 by reading a book and solved the summation of 1-100 in a semi-efficient way when I was 9. I'm not a Wolfram and probably not a Hagelin, but I know plenty of 140+ IQ types that believe far stranger things than TMO rhetoric. Take me ex-GF with the 185 IQ for instance. Still believes her mom and friends managed to tow themselves to a gas station by mentally hitching their car to the one in front of them. IQ has nothing to do with common sense. Yes and I'd say high IQ in the mathmatic sense is probably inversely related to emotional IQ and cults flourish by preying on people with emotional weaknesses longing to get filled. The tmo inner circle is filled with males with high mental-logical-math-computer-abstract skills but emotional adolescents. Good at head/airy stuff, out of touch with the body/emotional/earth stuff. Here's the criteria I use now when looking at spiritual leaders and groups - how many in the inner circle have successfully raised a happy integrated child? That's a great test of true spirituality.
[FairfieldLife] TMO Finances
I noticed that guidestar.org had the 06 tax filing for Maharishi global development fund, which the latest available. MGDF is one of innumerable tmo orgs in the US, but appears to be the most significant financially. It's interesting to me primarily because of how much money it's been transferring to offshore accts the past decade via grants. In 06 it transferred about $38 million offshore, continuing the trend. I also noticed though that it gave almost $12 million to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp, located on MUM campus, whose purpose is to teach TM according to the filing. I was curious about this org. so I looked up its filing. Actually this seems to be a pretty big org, taking in over $23 million in grants and revenues in that same year it got the big grant from MGDF. It's difficult to know exactly how it spent that money, but it does itemize: over $9 million in salaries and wages though not listed by individual, $3m for occupancy which I guess means rent but that seems extraordinarily high for such an org., $2.3m in PR, $900,000 for conferences, $600,000 for travel, $360,000 for bookkeeping, $415,000 for telephone, and various other stuff. IT also gives some grants to other tmo orgs. I thought the $9 million in salaries/wages might include wages to laborers for building the world peace centers, but the balance sheet doesn't list anything like that, so it's not going into hard assets like real estate. Bevan is president, feldman treasurer, though norin isquith appears to do the books. Would love to know who's getting the big salary dollars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Finances
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:48 PM, boo_lives wrote: I also noticed though that it gave almost $12 million to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp, located on MUM campus, whose purpose is to teach TM according to the filing. So would that be 12,000,000 USD for proselytizing and teaching TM, kind of like a TM missionary fund? Since they're not having any success selling it, they're giving it away as a strategic tool, like Neo-Vedic missionaries? The TMO must be earning money one way or another from its various organizations. There must be new meditators who have bought in to the program. Otherwise, the TMO will have to operate by donations through its active members. There are no new meditators, it's almost all donations which is counted the same as revenues in nonprofits. It was pointed out to me that VEDC that year most likely had to do with the enlightenment centers in malls, that whole recertified thing. The high occupancy and salary amounts were for the malls and recerts running them. The other tmo fund had to transfer $12 million that year to VEDC because that's what it probably lost that first year on the enlightenment centers. When the new VEDC financials come out, they probably won't show so much activity since that idea has died.
[FairfieldLife] Re: California is Broke!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer fairfield.li...@... wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The first big shoe of the Republican Great Depression falls. Things are about to get interesting here. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/California_goes_broke_halts_3.5_billion_0202.html Come now. This is Obama's watch. It's the Democratic Great Depression. We've named problems after the current administration before. It's amazing how thoroughly ignorant of how economics works republicans turned out to be. I guess if I marry a woman who has kids then I must have gotten her pregnant?
[FairfieldLife] Re: new books on Maharishi ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 2, 2009, at 2:13 AM, sparaig wrote: Median income for physics PHD with 20+ years of experience: $125,000 ANd Hagelin isn't any old median physicist, despite what people here like to pretend. He's been out of the field for how long? And with a tarnished reputation for peddling pseudoscience? I'd be amazed if he could get an entry level job. I doubt any non-TMO university would hire him at this point. He's made innumerable public statements that would immediately disqualify him from consideration from any quality university faculty position. What physics has he published recently? Nothing and that's crucial to faculty positions. Also, we know he gets $100,000+ from MUM but we don't know what else he may get from other parts of the tmo that don't have to make public their finances, most esp. expense accounts. My guess is he makes more from the tmo than he could get anywhere else. Plus the bonus of adulation from TBs and associated sexual benefits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new books on Maharishi ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@... wrote: Everyone has a sex life- always more than we know - right Barack! so for now, all we have is the Maharishi's word that he was actually a life long celibate. absolutely no proof to the contrary. And mmy's word about everything has been so rock solid? Anyone who looks closely into mmy's teachings, finances, and health finds that his and the tmo's word is not such a steady rock to place your faith, osho. the rest is just rumors, and for a public figure who was in close proximity to thousands of people, some with agendas of their own, there are always lots of rumors. Statements from many personal secretaries and several women who often spent time alone with mmy in his bedroom late at night (the story put out for one is she read him poetry to help him fall asleep) are more than just rumors by people with an agenda. In fact, most of these people describe the difficult process they had to go through to reconcile their commitment to the mmy and the movt with what their eyes and common sense was telling them. True, there's no smoking gun video but there rarely is with sex someone is trying to keep secret (at least in the pre I-phone days of the 60s). i am curious why some of those here, like Vaj, and Curtis and geezerfreak and Barry feel it is so important to cling deperately to the possibility that the Maharishi was a liar in terms of his sex life? Yeah because no other male celibate eastern guru who came to west turned out to be lying about his sex life, and eastern gurus are so beyond the temptations of flesh and power when these are offered to them in the west, and there's no agenda from those whose multi-million dollar empires depend desperately on maintaining an idealized image of their guru leader. The people who are open to the possibility that many people up close to mmy are not lying are not the ones desperately clinging to a belief. as if they are fundamentalists 180 degrees out from the TBs they so often criticize, but TBs themselves nonetheless. Having corresponded with many of the inner circlers who believe the sex claims, I believe 1 is a TB hater of mmy. The others all seem extremely balanced to me in terms of their life and their views of the movt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy, MMY was a Potentate! (new books on Maharishi ???)
Ya want an acid test of the movement? Ask the kings for a complete list of all the million-dollar-course participants, so that we can see if they all agree that the money was well spent. Let's see how many of those dummies finally got it that they'd been taken to the cleaners once again? Give us a chance to grill those idiots and see if any of them cracks and admits the whole farce. I don't know - it's really hard on the ego to admit you were taken for a million bucks. I think most all of them cling to some story of how it was worth it even if their life didn't really change much as a result of it. Let's get Purusha and Mother Divine folks into a QA session -- let me, nay, let almost anyone who's been in the movement for a few years ask them the hard questions. Same thing - at this point most of these people have too much invested to question the investment. Of course, the tmo could pull a Madoff on them and declare their investment worth zero by kicking them off MD or Purusha when they get sick (and forbid their friends from calling donors to help them pay medical bills, which actually has happened because they were told it may keep donors from giving as much to the tmo). At that pt reality hits too quickly and they can't often handle the cognitive dissonance that results and it's extremely sad. Let's have the MUM guys who set up the murder answer our questions. Let's see the BOOKS. That would be fun but will never happen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's pick for Sec. Education disappoints progressives Bill Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: His view is that duncan was nowhere close to being his desired choice Does he say why Duncan is not his choice? he preferred hammond who is more of a true progressive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Darling-Hammond
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's pick for Sec. Education disappoints progressives Bill Ayers
Raunch, To clarify, my post is based on the views of someone who has spent his entire career in support of public schools and the teachers union and who has been esp active in fighting the actions of the bush admin (and who knows well what its goals and tactics were). He has published papers and regularly gives professional presentations in general support of the general philosophy you present, though he seems to be more supportive of a limited role for charter schools. In short he does not do internet rants but has had to deal practically with the issues at hand. His view is that duncan was nowhere close to being his desired choice but the article you cite is naive in thinking he is going to recreate all he did in chicago nationwide under obama. It won't happen. He also says the implementation of military style schools in the black ghetto is coming primarily from the parents who see them as practical alternative to gangs, drugs etc. They do not see their children as canon fodder for war but as needing discipline to help them get the grades they need to get into college and break the poverty cycle. The cannon fodder argument seems to be coming from some far left groups who see anything associated with the military as inherently evil, violent and/or republican - this is not the case. My friend does not view this as the ideal solution to the unequal education problem in this country, but if done properly, as a limited option for the time being for some urban areas in which the schools are broke and failing. There are good ways and bad ways of implementing these types of alternative schools. And none of this means you abandon efforts for true equality between poor urban and wealthy suburban schools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Boo, I get it. It's O.K. for Duncan to implement a military approach to education as long as the schools are urban, black, poor and failing. Would you want your kids educated in a school like this? Here's the measure: If it's not good enough for your kids, it's not good enough for anyone. If we are willing to write off the poorest of our students as cannon fodder for war and accept that this is the best we can do for them, then we are on a path to revisiting separate but equal education. I fear that is where we are heading if we continue to privatize public schools. In 1954, the Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Racially segregated schools are inherently unequal. One would think that was the final word in support of public schools, where EVERYONE has a chance for a good education, but n, we have been fooled into believing that privatizing failed public schools is a good idea. Get a clue, Bush did everything in his power to cause public schools to fail. Do you understand why he did this? Bush is an elitist and doesn't give a damn about the poor. He thinks the unwashed masses will probably end up in prison anyway so why not train them for the military. Add to this school vouchers which diverts money from public schools and strokes his Fudies friends. I look forward to Obama getting rid of vouchers, charter schools and NCLB. Unfortunately, Duncan's pick doesn't leave me hopeful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: I spoke with a close friend who is a solid progressive with over 30 yrs career experience working with educational policy. He said Duncan was not his first or second or third choice for ed.sec. but doesn't think he'll be that bad. Thinks his approach made some sense for underfunded black urban env'ts but not for country as whole, and thinks duncan may pursue his chicago strategy in a couple urban school districts but definitely not on a national basis - obama will see to that and ed.policy under obama/duncan will be much better than it has for the last 8 yrs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:55 AM, raunchydog wrote: Sal, If you have information that contradicts the information in the articles, let's see it. If you're going to dispute the validity of factual information, make your case rather than, I don't like what the guy said, so he must be wrong. What exactly do you think is untrue in the articles? Be specific and we can talk about it. Contradicts what? That progressives are unhappy with Duncan? Well, I'm a progressive, and I'm happy with him. Supposedly he's done an excellent job in Chicago. Post something that's not nonsense and there might be some way to have a rational discussion. What you posted doesn't lend itself to that. Sal I spoke with a close friend who is a solid progressive with over 30 yrs career experience working with educational policy. He said Duncan was not his first or second or third choice for ed.sec. but doesn't think he'll be that bad. Thinks his approach
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nobody gives a damn about global warming
But it gets even better Shemp. Check out today's post from Anthony Watts' excellent blog: Today, a founder of the International Journal of Forecasting, Journal of Forecasting, International Institute of Forecasters, and International Symposium on Forecasting, and the author of Long-range Forecasting (1978, 1985), the Principles of Forecasting Handbook, and over 70 papers on forecasting, Dr J. Scott Armstrong, tabled a statement declaring that the forecasting process used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) lacks a scientific basis. First, note that Armstrong has no experience whatsoever as a climate scientist. Got that? Second, some actual climate scientists dissect Greene and Armstrong's thesis (GA) using GA's own criteria: G+A's recent foray into climate science might therefore be a good case study for why their principles have not won wide acceptance. In the spirit of their technique, we'll use a scientific methodology - let's call it 'the principles of cross-disciplinary acceptance' (TM pending). For each principle, we assign a numerical score between -2 and 2, and the average will be our 'scientific' conclusion Principle 1: When moving into a new field, don't assume you know everything about it because you read a review and none of the primary literature. Score: -2 G+A appear to have only read one chapter of the IPCC report (Chap 8), and an un-peer reviewed hatchet job on the Stern report. Not a very good start Principle 2: Talk to people who are doing what you are concerned about. Score: -2 Of the roughly 20 climate modelling groups in the world, and hundreds of associated researchers, G+A appear to have talked to none of them. Strike 2. Principle 3: Be humble. If something initially doesn't make sense, it is more likely that you've mis-understood than the entire field is wrong. Score: -2 For instance, G+A appear to think that climate models are not tested on 'out of sample' data (they gave that a '-2#8242;). On the contrary, the models are used for many situations that they were not tuned for, paleo-climate changes (mid Holocene, last glacial maximum, 8.2 kyr event) being a good example. Similarly, model projections for the future have been matched with actual data - for instance, forecasting the effects of Pinatubo ahead of time, or Hansen's early projections. The amount of 'out of sample' testing is actually huge, but the confusion stems from G+A not being aware of what the 'sample' data actually consists of (mainly present day climatology). Another example is that G+A appear to think that GCMs use the history of temperature changes to make their projections since they suggest leaving some of it out as a validation. But this is just not so, as we discussed more thoroughly in a recent thread. Principle 4: Do not ally yourself with rejectionist rumps with clear political agendas if you want to be taken seriously by the rest of the field. Score: -2 The principle climatologist that G+A appear to have talked to is Bob 'global warming stopped in 1998#8242; Carter, who doesn't appear to think that the current CO2 rise is even anthropogenic. Not terribly representative Principle 5: Submit your paper to a reputable journal whose editors and peer reviewers will help improve your text and point out some of these subtle misconceptions. Score: -2 Energy and Environment. Need we say more? Principle 6: You can ignore all the above principles if you are only interested in gaining publicity for a book. Score: +2 Ah-ha! In summary, G+A get a rather disappointing (but scientific!) score of -1.66. This probably means that the prospects for a greater acceptance of forecasting principles within the climate community are not good. Kevin Trenberth feels the same way. Which raises the question of whether they are really serious or simply looking for a little public controversy. It may well be that there is something worth learning from the academic discipline of scientific forecasting (though they don't seem to have come across the concept of physically-based modelling), but this kind of amateur blundering does their cause nothing but harm. G+A's recent foray into climate science might therefore be a good case study for why their principles have not won wide acceptance. In the spirit of their technique, we'll use a scientific methodology - let's call it 'the principles of cross-disciplinary acceptance' (TM pending). For each principle, we assign a numerical score between -2 and 2, and the average will be our 'scientific' conclusion Principle 1: When moving into a new field, don't assume you know everything about it because you read a review and none of the primary literature. Score: -2 G+A appear to have only read one chapter of the IPCC report (Chap 8), and an un-peer reviewed hatchet job on the Stern report. Not a very good start Principle 2: Talk to people who are doing what you are concerned about. Score: -2 Of the roughly 20 climate modelling groups in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nobody gives a damn about global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Richard M wrote: So Edg, are you in favour of nuclear power? And are you attracted to conspiracy theories? I say this because the nuclear power lobby is benefiting enormously from the demonization of CO2. Are the Greenies just pawns in a game being played by the Higher Powers to persuade the electorate to accept more nuclear power? (What are they called - the New World Order or something?) Richard, It is my understanding that the Queen of England and her bank are owners of virtually all the uranium of Canada, and that she's behind the anti-C02 movement. I'll give it a 9 out of 10 possibility of being true. That proved, then ya gots some sort of Illuminati thingie, eh? That proved? What's proved? It is easy to see who owns the big publicly owned uranium mines in canada and it's not the queen of england. Her bank? What bank would that be? Do you think the queen owns the bank of england maybe? There's no mov't, there's the climate scientists of the world investigating the effects of greenhouse gases, such as co2, on the env't and politicians finally catching up and starting to talk about it. Actually they're doing more than talk about it in the artic circle where Russia, Canada and the US have all sent naval fleets to secure drilling rights due to the massive melting of the ice sheet there. Of course I've heard that the queen is probably using large scale hair dryers to melt the ice. I'm against nuke-power until its pollution is zero -- not merely contained by storage systems that must eventually fail. The Greens probably are being used. Not sure if Gore is mindful or being used. I'm thinking Gore has a nice gig and thought for awhile it would serve to keep his hat in the presidential ring. Dunno fer shur. I'm most in favor of hydrogen, but getting the cost down will only happen if a cheap way to get it out of water is discovered. I'm not seeing it being around the corner, but there's lots of promising efforts out there that might go commercial any second. Other energy technologies are also emerging -- nano stuff could give us a singularity and then, wow, what a paradigm shift -- out goes every notion of all the big thinkers of the world about almost everything if nanotech gives us programable microscopic bots that can form clouds. Other singularities can do this too, so I'm just doing my pranyama until 2012heh heh, then, we'll see, eh? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nobody gives a damn about global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: But it gets even better Shemp. Check out today's post from Anthony Watts' excellent blog: Today, a founder of the International Journal of Forecasting, Journal of Forecasting, International Institute of Forecasters, and International Symposium on Forecasting, and the author of Long-range Forecasting (1978, 1985), the Principles of Forecasting Handbook, and over 70 papers on forecasting, Dr J. Scott Armstrong, tabled a statement declaring that the forecasting process used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) lacks a scientific basis. First, note that Armstrong has no experience whatsoever as a climate scientist. Got that? Score -100 for being patronising. I do not mean to be patronizing, I am simply responding to your paragraph above which seems to imply that saying the word forecasting 7 times in one sentence means that Armstrong has some experience and credibility in the field of climate science which he does not. I think you miss the point of my post. It is not that Armstrong is necessarily right (though he may just as well be right as realclimate.org may be wrong. After all the latter only represent climate science by self-certification. Realclimate.org is driven primarily by Hansen's sidekick Gavin Schmidt and Michael Mann - he of the Great Hockey Stick Controversy). Sorry but people with advanced degrees in climate science who are actively researching and publishing papers in the field of climate science and regularly take part in the most important climate change symposiums around the world are not self-certified. I get the idea about consensus. That's what the IPCC is all about, that's where legitimate climate scientists have been researching and arguing about climate change for over 20 yrs now from a host of angles and that is where consensus is being developed. realclimate.org and the IPCC don't claim to be right either, they claim to represent the legitimate attempt to find the best consensus. People like yourself who think an unqualified guy like Armstrong trumps the work of the IPCC don't get the idea of consensus. The question is whether there is a consensus. Realclimate.org are desperately trying to hold the line - but they are having to work harder and harder to do so. And I'm sure if you keep reading your right wing political sites it may seem that way, but the trend of the science is clearly the other way. Even Exxon has pulled their funding of fake research trying to cloud the issue because they know now it's a waste of time. I spent a few yrs back in late 80s being paid to follow the climate change research for int'l cos (afraid of what may be coming) and am well aware of the difference between a scientist looking for truth and a corporate funded hack doing PR in the guise of science. Are there still many unknowns and confusions in the current IPCC report to clear up? Sure, and that work in ongoing but as realclimate.org makes clear, Armstrong did not begin to make a serious attempt at adding to the consensus debate over climate change. Second, some actual climate scientists dissect Greene and Armstrong's thesis (GA) using GA's own criteria: G+A's recent foray into climate science might therefore be a good case study for why their principles have not won wide acceptance. In the spirit of their technique, we'll use a scientific methodology - let's call it 'the principles of cross-disciplinary acceptance' (TM pending). For each principle, we assign a numerical score between -2 and 2, and the average will be our 'scientific' conclusion Principle 1: When moving into a new field, don't assume you know everything about it because you read a review and none of the primary literature. Score: -2 G+A appear to have only read one chapter of the IPCC report (Chap 8), and an un-peer reviewed hatchet job on the Stern report. Not a very good start Principle 2: Talk to people who are doing what you are concerned about. Score: -2 Of the roughly 20 climate modelling groups in the world, and hundreds of associated researchers, G+A appear to have talked to none of them. Strike 2. Principle 3: Be humble. If something initially doesn't make sense, it is more likely that you've mis-understood than the entire field is wrong. Score: -2 For instance, G+A appear to think that climate models are not tested on 'out of sample' data (they gave that a '-2#8242;). On the contrary, the models are used for many situations that they were not tuned for, paleo-climate changes (mid Holocene, last glacial maximum, 8.2 kyr event) being a good example. Similarly, model projections for the future have been matched with actual data - for instance, forecasting the effects of Pinatubo ahead of time, or Hansen's early
[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good words). But You can not get enlightened are your words, not his. He didn't often use the E word (if ever) in the context of a progression from CC - BC - UC; but he might have said something like: You can reach Unity Consciousness. That being the case, MMY's teachings would conflict with your Neo-Advaitin nonsense. Who you calling a knuckle dragging Neo-Advaitin, Buster? Them's fighten' words. Peter is obviously Advaitin, there's not an ounce of Neo in him. Just to clarify the splitting of hairs, here's an excellent description of Traditional Advaita versus Neo-Advaita: http://tinyurl.com/c8b4yw In support of Peter the Great: The range of creative intelligence is from here to here. So obviously there's no place to go. If I could go, I'd hop a bus to there. So here it is: the clown bus, the crazy passengers and the fun ride (knowledge, knower and the process of knowing) beautifully woven together as one. Innocently pull one tread in one amazing moment of just be and the mistake of intellect instantly unravels. MMY wasn't jiving us when he said the concept of a path is for the ignorant. So leave or stay on the bus, whatever, I'm just glad MMY provided [keys to the bus (TM) and] such a glorious map [SCI] to just be nowhere. raunchydog post #203856 MMY spent 99% of his time talking about, aggressively marketing, obsessing over, developing world govts to rule over, and trying to black list anything that wasn't: HIS keys to the bus and HIS roadmap, and 1% doing from here to here talk. If you look at tmo culture, how people in the tmo actually think and live, it's all keys and bus, or to be more precise, Maharishi's Supreme Vedic Golden Keys and Maharishi's Most Glorious Unified Global Enlightened Sat Yuga (with a pure gold hemi-powered) Bus, please show your paid up in full officially approved dome badge to get on. MMY is worse than the Bible; you can support anything with maharishi says talk. I don't get picking out some phrases he might have said in the 70s to disprove what he and the tmo obviously are today. That a (shocking small) percentage of long term sidhas have had from here to here advaita experiences doesn't prove anything about what MMY really taught and nurtured in his followers. Reality is from here to here, people in every spiritual movt and probably more not in any movt have these natural advaita experiences, and so naturally some MMY devotees have too. But I'd say right now there are more sidhas in ffld being blocked from that natural experience by the keys that MMY/tmo have provided.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: That a (shocking small) percentage of long term sidhas have had from here to here advaita experiences doesn't prove anything about what MMY really taught and nurtured in his followers. Reality is from here to here, people in every spiritual movt and probably more not in any movt have these natural advaita experiences, and so naturally some MMY devotees have too. But I'd say right now there are more sidhas in ffld being blocked from that natural experience by the keys that MMY/tmo have provided. Of course you nailed that one right on the head--and let's not forget that these are now coached advaita experiences ever since MMY presided over the course dredging for moods. People are being encouraged to moodmake their own projected feeling-tones into advaita experiences. It's the in thing I hear. Without exception, they never vary from the pre-programmed script. 'They're all actors and the Dome is their stage.' Could you say more about the script - I'm curious what flavor of enlightenment experience has gotten the approval. Is it still going on now that mmy is gone? Who listens to the experience? Are they using typical tmo buzzwords or are there new buzzwords? I'd heard quite a while ago that thmds were giving experiences to mmy most every day and it was a big thing - to come up with an experience that gets the ok from mmy is big currency on thmd (though not as big as real currency) and it seemed women were really working on and fretting over the wording of their experience flavors hoping it would get a positive response. I'm curious about the buzzwords because I believe there is a high percentage of deflected kundalini shakti risings on thmd and I wonder if mmy, most likely another deflected, likes those type of experiences or some other?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's pick for Sec. Education disappoints progressives Bill Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:55 AM, raunchydog wrote: Sal, If you have information that contradicts the information in the articles, let's see it. If you're going to dispute the validity of factual information, make your case rather than, I don't like what the guy said, so he must be wrong. What exactly do you think is untrue in the articles? Be specific and we can talk about it. Contradicts what? That progressives are unhappy with Duncan? Well, I'm a progressive, and I'm happy with him. Supposedly he's done an excellent job in Chicago. Post something that's not nonsense and there might be some way to have a rational discussion. What you posted doesn't lend itself to that. Sal I spoke with a close friend who is a solid progressive with over 30 yrs career experience working with educational policy. He said Duncan was not his first or second or third choice for ed.sec. but doesn't think he'll be that bad. Thinks his approach made some sense for underfunded black urban env'ts but not for country as whole, and thinks duncan may pursue his chicago strategy in a couple urban school districts but definitely not on a national basis - obama will see to that and ed.policy under obama/duncan will be much better than it has for the last 8 yrs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Thanks for taking the time to openly respond to this question. Your openness *is* appreciated. On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:12 PM, I am the eternal wrote: What's expected is that you'll relate a #1 (Unity or beyond) experience. In the two domes, these experiences take the form of describing, with lots of heart, experiences that have to do with loss of self, with experiencing The Self, with experiences of infinity, bliss in every direction and in every thing. Each experience in the two domes is quite unique, stated in the idiom of the experiencer. The sidhi administrators read the experiences and make SUGGESTIONS about what to leave in, what to leave out before the experience is read. So they make editorial suggestions? Why? I'm sorry, but that seems odd. Edited experiences, movement approved? This *doesn't* mean there is a script (of acceptable or not acceptable)? If the experiences are turned down, one would have to be *on the (unspoken) script* to get a mention wouldn't they? The experience has to fit in with Maharishi's teachings and not be conjecture. I had a number of sentences struck out because, according to Doug B, the experiences could not be verified. snip What nonsense. The only reason I can see to have experience meetings is to have a student recount an experience that has had a particularly profound or confusing impact on him/her and to have a qualified teacher respond and bring some clarity or perspective. For that to happen the experience has to be described in an accurate and personal manner, there can't be any editing. What does it mean to say your experience can't be verified? And by people like Doug B, who BTW gave me perhaps the single worst piece of advice I've ever been given? One thing I learned in the tmo was that most everyone who's known to have great experiences is to be avoided at all costs, they're usually toxic, unstable or egomaniacs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and life after death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In digging through my phase III notes I came across an interesting point. The tape is from Mallorca Feb. 1971. I'll not use quote marks but this is pretty close to word for word. We don't pray to Guru Dev. Prayer to absolute is useless. Puja isn't prayer unless we want to call anything good prayer. Prayer has to be to someone in the relative who can listen and respond, say wish granted, some this year some next year. snip There are hordes of personal gods, anyone we can pick up an say OK, do it. I find this interesting in the context of the current movement belief that Maharishi is still guiding the movement and has not merged into the absolute. I take that as a particular bit of CHristian dogma that has percolated from Tony Abu Nader to everyone else: MMY is with the agnels/devas... Is that right then - King Tony is a Christian? (Or do you mean he just has tendencies!) I tconsider it a sign of his utter sincerity because if he were merely a wannabe hindu, he would have parroted MMY's take on what happens when an enlightened man dies. Either that, or its tacit acknowledgement that MMY wasn't fully enlightened. I doubt king tony is capable of even considering MMY not being fully enlightened. The core belief and energy of the tmo for many yrs has been maharishi devotion and lately worship, and I don't think the inner circle can really conceive of life and the tmo without MMY, so I think that's why tony has him still around in some heaven. Plus it gives your word more weight if you say it's inspired from MMy up above. Of course sooner or later the different factions will be hearing different things from MMY from up above.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some money calculations to show to Sir Paul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I guess my point is just that as laudable a goal as teaching a million kids to meditate is, it would be more laudable if 1) someone did the math and realized that their goal cannot possibly be realized by the proceeds of one concert and that thus all the foo-rah about the concert is moodmaking I don't see anywhere in the promotion for the concert that its proceeds are expected to do the whole job. One million students, as I understand it, is the *overall* goal of the Lynch Foundation, not just for this concert. But why is there this VISCERAL NEED to raise so much money. The TMO transferred about $500 million out of US acct's into offshore accts over the past 6 yrs or so - this is black and white in the public records that non profits must make. They still have hundreds of millions in the US, as well as who knows how much in India and elsewhere. The TMO makes itself out to be some compassionate charity that would love to feed the starving children of the world if only they had the money to buy food. The TMO has plenty of money to teach children to meditate if they really wanted to. There are still plenty of tm teachers out there that would love to make $40,000 per yr to teach tm full time to kids; teachers who either haven't been able to make it in the world or who would retire if they could supplement their retirement income with 40K. My calculation is 1 teacher = 1,000 initiates per year, or $40 per person cost to pay the teachers. Maybe round that up to $100 per kid to cover other expenses. Maybe the TMO doesn't feel they should have to dig into their vast offshore investment funds to pay for children to learn TM, fine, just do without a profit and charge the Lynch Foundation $100 per kid and let Lynch/McCartney raise that more reasonable amount. I'd like to get behind the LM duo, they're much more likable and sincere than the standard tmo'er, but I can't get excited about this because it's really just another scheme to send money to disreputable people who already have plenty of money. Plus who knows what other bs they might put in the kids heads as they learn tm?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: 1. Would TM have been a marketing success if people knew that ... Would, Vaj ? TM has been a marketing success in the past, because IT WORKS, Vaj. And the checking system works. A great deal more than can be said of many systems. It is not a marketing success right now because the TMO is run by block heads. You mean bad marketers? If TM is the greatest meditation ever taught on earth that produces immediate transcending, bliss and longer term scientifically proven perfect health, support of life in every way, etc etc, then what should it matter that some block heads run it? Plus haven't these blockheads been practicing this technique that works for some 40 yrs now? Hasn't MMY, who I assume you consider to be the greatest sage to ever walk the earth as they say now in the tmo, consistently praised the enlightenment of these blockheads and put them in charge? Plus this great sage has consistently supported the high price tag as appropriate for this great technique that works so well. What about all the millions who started TM in the past who have stopped. Did the blockheads make them stop this technique that works so well for everyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that No one quits TM. They get off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so they stop getting results and think that TM has failed instead of the truth being that the new technique they've slipped into has failed. Edg That's like saying all diets work, it's the people who can't stick to them forever who are at fault. TM claims to be a completely natural effortless spontaneous process based on the natural tendency of the mind but if someone stops then suddenly they're not doing it right and the mind seems to have naturally slipped into something else than the transcendent. Part of the success or lack thereof of any self development technique is the ability of the typical person to stick to it and do it properly. That some people can't do TM right and many easily stop doing it right needs to be acknowledged. Plus IMO based on decades of experience talking with hundreds of long term meditators, the benefits of TM which may seem great at first to a stress out person do not continue forever - there are diminishing returns to a relaxation technique. This is why many people quit TM without any feeling of blame or failure, their experience is just that the experience it provides is no longer that important to them and they move on to the next step for them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that No one quits TM. They get off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so they stop getting results and think that TM has failed instead of the truth being that the new technique they've slipped into has failed. Edg That's like saying all diets work, it's the people who can't stick to them forever who are at fault. TM claims to be a completely natural effortless spontaneous process based on the natural tendency of the mind but if someone stops then suddenly they're not doing it right and the mind seems to have naturally slipped into something else than the transcendent. Part of the success or lack thereof of any self development technique is the ability of the typical person to stick to it and do it properly. That some people can't do TM right and many easily stop doing it right needs to be acknowledged. Plus IMO based on decades of experience talking with hundreds of long term meditators, the benefits of TM which may seem great at first to a stress out person do not continue forever - there are diminishing returns to a relaxation technique. This is why many people quit TM without any feeling of blame or failure, their experience is just that the experience it provides is no longer that important to them and they move on to the next step for them. It depends on what you mean. Certainly, people can notice benefits less as time goes on, but not all benefits are obvious to the person. Example: reductions in BP of only a few points may be medically significant, but almost no-one on the planet would notice a fluctuation that small based on their own internal sensations. Lawson That's true. And someone who learns TM to normalize a medically dangerous BP level should not rely on internal sensations but objective measurements to determine if TM is working or not. My pt though is that TM may be good for a wide variety of stress related issues, both physical and psychological, but it's not good for everything. The basic TM philosophy is that TM continually improves all aspects of life until that life is enlightened and literally perfect in almost every way. That fact the TM helped your blood pressure does not means it's now going to move on and take care of your deep childhood traumas, problems in your brain chemistry, or any number of other issues that limit a person's life and happiness. I certainly don't see that happening in long term meditators and I don't believe that people stop because they just aren't noticing the continually deepening benefits. I think most stop because they realize on a deep inner level that the TM experience is just not addressing/resolving the issues that are now center stage for them. Of course some will say that's why MMY came out with sidhis, ayurved and the whole hodge podge of products and services that the movt now sells - to supplement TM. IMO this is where things really went south. I think it's just fine if someone learns TM as long as they practice innocently and don't buy all the hype and belief structure and by all means be wary of the sidhis and movt culture which I feel are a spiritual detour and dangerous to many. Let the natural experience of TM help you with whatever - there's probably a good reason you were drawn to it - as long as it can, but have no fear about incorporating other practices when the time comes. Though I don't consider myself an expert I'd especially recommend to TMers practices that incorporate more fully the breath and body and specifically address deep seated emotional issues.
