[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the closest to feeling nothing while still alive and conscious if I had allowed that force, that terrible overwhelming numbness to take a hold. I'm no mood maker, this was real. I was given an experience that told me, loud and clear, that one element of evil as it can sometimes manifest in human beings is a lack of ability to feel and that numbness (like novocaine throughout the body) is the antithesis to healthy life. There are outside forces out there - I don't mess around - even with Ouija boards. I have had some real concrete experiences of all sorts of malevolent forces in the world, they are not to be messed with.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
--- dhamiltony2k5@.. mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, and for good and well bred old higher spiritual reason in more fundamental human ways I would agree with our colleague from NYC too. This is about ethic in culturing the subtle body. -Buck in the Dome --- punditster@... wrote : There is a good reason they call underwear panties Buck - women wear them all the time. What were you doing looking up the saris of Indian women? That's not being very subtle, Buck. Go figure. Young indian women wear Salwar. Older indian women wear saris. In fact salwars look quite good on western women too. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7hjtRFSOGE/TRG-2e5GjMI/AUI/nsHHBaolAi8/s1600/readytowear-salwar-kameez-75-copy1.png https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7hjtRFSOGE/TRG-2e5GjMI/AUI/nsHHBaolAi8/s1600/readytowear-salwar-kameez-75-copy1.png http://shefashiontrend.com/wp-content/uploads/indian_shalwar_kameez_fashion.png http://shefashiontrend.com/wp-content/uploads/indian_shalwar_kameez_fashion.png
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. I am sorry Dan. I now realise how crude, insensitive, I have been. Share is old enough to be my mother. I guess, I should show her much more courtesy. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) No need for me to bother with you, life has already done that Turq. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808) I'm coming back to you. Just for the fun of it. I guess a discussion of Love has set you off again, Salamander.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. Not at all Dan. What he meant is that, I am what I am, a genocidal baby killer and virgin kidnapper. By the way, read below and weep, more wisdom from your beloved Yahweh. (22:28-29) If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:23-24) If a woman is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, the men of the city must stone her to death. (Tastentier) If she didn't scream because the rapist held a knife to her throat, she'd deserve to be stoned to death. That's the law of the omnibenevolent god Yahweh, Jesus' daddy. (Ganesh V) Well, Shouldn't The Holy Ghost and Virgin Mary be Stoned to death as per this gem from the Holy Babble? (tiny tim) David and Bethsheba technically should have been put to death for what they did. David didn't rape her and Bethsheba didn't cry out. 22:13-21) If a man marries and then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the tokens of her virginity, then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
No, these people are willing to lose everything they have including their women and families, to attack the rest of the world. They are from a completely different moral order. They look at women as properties to be owned. Their motives are irrational and illogical. Their use of fraudulent religions is just an excuse, a smoke screen to hide their real agenda, which is to spread their genes, all over the world. Their real agenda is biological, always remember that. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Osho said that wars are caused by sexual repression. IOW, if the ISIS militants had girlfriends, they wouldn't go to war. ---Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote : I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
jedi_spock@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. Not at all Dan. How dare you! What he meant How dare you! Hey, Danny boy. Are you upset? Please draw a line of distinction between this fraudulent religion and Vedanta. Sure, there is some good philosophy in new testament, but 90% of it is fraudulent shit. Here are a few gems from that huge pile of shit. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4:7) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. (John 8:32) is that, I am what I am, a genocidal baby killer and virgin kidnapper. By the way, read below and weep, I weep for you! more wisdom from your beloved Yahweh. (22:28-29) If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:23-24) If a woman is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, the men of the city must stone her to death. (Tastentier) If she didn't scream because the rapist held a knife to her throat, she'd deserve to be stoned to death. That's the law of the omnibenevolent god Yahweh, Jesus' daddy. (Ganesh V) Well, Shouldn't The Holy Ghost and Virgin Mary be Stoned to death as per this gem from the Holy Babble? (tiny tim) David and Bethsheba technically should have been put to death for what they did. David didn't rape her and Bethsheba didn't cry out. 22:13-21) If a man marries and then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the tokens of her virginity, then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. Try to move on from your barbarism hater! --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Yeah he does. That Rama Lenz is a piece of shit, whom I wouldn't have given five minutes of my time. The fact that he got screwed the shit out, by that conman is rankling deep inside him. Bariatric pretends to be detached, but the fact is, Jim and Lawson drive him crazy. His hatred for Judy is so great that he reads every single post of hers. By the way, here is Kali Barbie. http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09... http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg View on www.vancouverdesi.com http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg Preview by Yahoo --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what you are saying below Barry. Likely the usual basket of insults, mocking etc. But, what you probably miss, is that your beliefs pretty much check all the boxes for being a classic theist. Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts. Ain't no thang. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. I think share is a little confused. Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Cosmology - the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
--- noozguru@... wrote : Maybe it's not fair of me because I'm one up on you. You see, my late brother was a Vietnam War era defense contractor. I've seen how the thing works from the inside. --- salyavin808@... wrote : What, you saw them organise mass slaughter of innocent civilians in their own country? And then terminate the witnesses I think you should tell all. --- noozguru@... wrote : I'm met CIA agents. Your Ministry of Defense likes to keep you in the dark by feeding you a lot of propaganda. 9-11 was undoubtedly one of the biggest crimes in history. But the folks in the peanut gallery get their history from Popular Mechanics. Go figger. Yes, it was all planned to make the buildings fall like that, they went to the time and trouble of organising a bunch of foreign nationals with known links to terror groups, taught them to fly planes and let them hi-jack four and fly them into buildings which were also rigged to collapse like a pack of cards - even the one that wasn't hit because it had a few embarrassing secrets in it. They of course used nuclear weapons without anyone noticing. And all this to start a war with someone they were already bombing every day and they couldn't even fake a document to get them off the hook when it turned out he didn't have the weapons they sold him any more. They then terminated the people who organised it and are now happy that the plan failed and they've got to re-invade Iraq at great expense to get rid of the people they didn't terminate in the war they destroyed the WTC to provoke. It all makes sense now. After you with the peanuts. Is there anything called intellectual schizophrenia? Barry2 always talks like this. Barry2's spiritual philosophy is quite sane. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/ 200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories Perhaps it's just the same paranoia the right wingers have, but manifested in a different form.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Um, I think I channeled too. --- Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
--- duveyo...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Throughout my life, every now and then, I have heard a voice (never the same voice twice) inside my head. I have always immediately known that the sound was from inside, not outside, so I always have seen this as a kind of awake-dream-thingie. (About once a year, something will happen in a flash, and then nothing.) No, I have never sustained any conversations with suchlike, but, YES, I can accept that other nervous systems also have this ability and that some folks got this to the max. But, geeze o pete, I pity those folks, cuz I 100% know that experiences I have had were very convincing -- the voices truly seem to be from another mind. I would be out there publishing books etc. too, if I had this happen to me in any sustained fashion. Yep. I. Would. I once had my dead mother's voice simply say the nickname she called me. BAM -- just my name spoken in her voice as if she was next to me. Nothing after that, but see? Once at teacher training, in a semi-dreamy state, I had a voice say, That's all that you can transcend? Here's what I can do. And then, I DIVED INTO THE GOLDEN LIGHT OF PURE BLISS.for about 30 seconds and nary another visit from that guy. Truth: everyone has nightly dreams that contain astoundingly detailed scenarios with characters fully blown, furniture, clothing, weather, etc. We're all producing the equivalent of full scale Hollywood productions.every single night. So channeling? Pish tosh! ANYONE CAN AND DOES DO THIS SHIT EVERY NIGHT...so how much notice should a daytime dreamer get? Answer: Not much. Anyone who's known Maharishi CAN DREAM ABOUT MAHARISHI. Now, show me a five year old kid from a jungle tribe in Brazil who convincingly channels Maharishi, and I will pay much more attention. --- salyavin...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Exactly but it will give conniptions to people who really believe in this stuff and it isn't like John Hagelin can say it's all rubbish, just look at the crap he's been arguing for the existence of over the years. How many steps away is it? But I'm really interested in all this. I've never had a voice like this in my head, mine are always me. I think what you are talking about here is very common though and it isn't like it's schizophrenic because there isn't the blurring of reality that psychotic people get. Ever heard of a book called The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind? It's a bit of an odd classic of psychology, written by a chap called Julian Jaynes. His basic argument is that modern consciousness has only arrived recently and before about 1000BC people were very different and society was organised by hallucinatory visions that we thought came from Gods or dead relatives but really came from the other hemisphere of our brains. I'm trying to encapsulate a thousand page book into a few paragraphs but he does go into the literature, rituals and art of ancient people in some depth and combines it with knowledge of mental illness and auditory hallucinations, which is the bit that's pertinent to us. He considers these inner voices to be remnants of how people were before the emergence of the modern mind. Bicameral means twin-chambered and we literally didn't know that our brains operated as being far more separate than they do now and our Gods were within us. Ever seen those South American and Mesopotamian tribes that preserved their dead relatives and carried them around? When explorers first reached them they asked what they were for and the natives said they were telling them what to do. They meant it literally. So many cultures had cities built round giant statues of Gods that told them what to do, all this stopped at about the same time that literature like the old and new testament switched from people having no inner dialogue or awareness and taking all instructions from Gods to more inner soul based writings. Some Babylonian writings actually document the sorry state of people whom the Gods have forsaken. So much makes sense when you grasp the theory, and it's hard to look at the ancient world (or the modern one) in the same way. But is it all just fanciful thinking and interpreting old art through a modern theory which is incorrect but can't be contradicted? Interesting. Bevan and Hagelin do just what Maharishi told them to do. So do some people, who do just what Ron Hubbard or Rama Lenz or prophet muhammed, told them to do. Could it be, they have non-cameral minds? A person with bi-cameral mind needs followers with no minds of their own. Julian Jaynes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes Julian Jaynes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes Julian Jaynes (February 27, 1920 – November 21, 1997) was an American psychologist, best known for his book The Origin of Consciousness in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: March of the Idiocracy
--- salyavin...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This what we are up against. Schools in the UK are teaching kids 'Bullshit on stilts' and with tax payers money too! Is it fair to fill the minds of the next generation with this Bronze age bullshit? Is it fair to leave people so ill equipped to deal with reality? Researchers have discovered that the hydrogen canopy that may have enclosed Earth before the Flood had some very interesting effects on plant and animal life. The hydrogen in the canopy absorbed blue light, but radiated red light, so the sky was pink rather than blue! Not only did pre-Flood man see the panorama of Creation “through rose-colored glasses,” but the pink light had a definite effect on his mind and body. Modern scientists have discovered that pink light stimulates the adrenal glands to secrete a hormone called norepinephrine. Norepinephrine is both a tranquilliser and a neurotransmitter that both calms the person and sharpens his ability to think. The problem is endemic all over the world. http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10256/waiting-for-evolutio n-in-pakistan%E2%80%99s-classrooms/ http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10256/waiting-for-evolution-in-pakistan%E2%80%99s-classrooms/ http://tribune.com.pk/story/384908/how-to-spot-the-crackpot- -pseudoscience-in-pakistan/ http://tribune.com.pk/story/384908/how-to-spot-the-crackpot--pseudoscience-in-pakistan/ http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10256/waiting-for-evolution-in-pakistan%E2%80%99s-classrooms/ Waiting for evolution in Pakistan’s classrooms – The Expre... http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10256/waiting-for-evolution-in-pakistan%E2%80%99s-classrooms/ Fallacies of logic are aplenty in Muslim creationist texts. Where do the li... View on blogs.tribune.com.pk http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10256/waiting-for-evolution-in-pakistan%E2%80%99s-classrooms/ Preview by Yahoo Pseudoscience I was taught at a British creationist school http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace Pseudoscience I was taught at a British creationist scho... http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace Jonny Scaramanga: Four British universities recognise a qualification from creationist schools teaching that evolution is a hoax and electricity can be generat... View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace Preview by Yahoo Tomorrow, the science of Creative Intelligence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: March of the Idiocracy
--- salyavin...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This what we are up against. Schools in the UK are teaching kids 'Bullshit on stilts' and with tax payers money too! Is it fair to fill the minds of the next generation with this Bronze age bullshit? Is it fair to leave people so ill equipped to deal with reality? Researchers have discovered that the hydrogen canopy that may have enclosed Earth before the Flood had some very interesting effects on plant and animal life. The hydrogen in the canopy absorbed blue light, but radiated red light, so the sky was pink rather than blue! Not only did pre-Flood man see the panorama of Creation “through rose-colored glasses,” but the pink light had a definite effect on his mind and body. Modern scientists have discovered that pink light stimulates the adrenal glands to secrete a hormone called norepinephrine. Norepinephrine is both a tranquilliser and a neurotransmitter that both calms the person and sharpens his ability to think. Here is some more, http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2008/dec/12/ islamic-creationism-evolution-muslim http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2008/dec/12/islamic-creationism-evolution-muslim http://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/04/evolution- and-islam http://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/04/evolution-and-islam Pseudoscience I was taught at a British creationist school http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace Pseudoscience I was taught at a British creationist scho... http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace Jonny Scaramanga: Four British universities recognise a qualification from creationist schools teaching that evolution is a hoax and electricity can be generat... View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/25/pseudoscience-creationist-schools-uk-accelerated-christian-education-ace Preview by Yahoo Tomorrow, the science of Creative Intelligence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- inmadison@... wrote : In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical matter/energy - one has to make the inference there is physical matter/energy - and this is an inference that can not be proven . . . thus, why the notion mind is an emergence of matter/energy is 'dogmatic'. Perhaps its a reasonable POV - but dogmatic none the less. --- salyavin808@... wrote : That matter and energy cannot be proven means emergence is dogma? God help us. Yes, please waste Stephen Hawking's time with that, he'll thank you for bringing it to his attention I'm sure The mind is basicaly a biological phenomenon. Stones don't think. The point is, 'non-localised quantum consciousness' and 'localised biological consciousness' might be two very different things all together. They might be as different as the bulb inside your room, and the sunlight outside your house. It's important to maintain the distinction between the two. The Qualia aspect of reality is purely an experiential reality, which implies there might be some underlying consciousness under the foundations of the universe. Perhaps, science might discover it in future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- salyavin808@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, You used the acronym QED, which means quod erat demonstrandum, and is used when you have proved your point. Actually, you have failed to do so. In fact, you did not even address any of the main arguments in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. Instead, you made a conclusion that the universe was never created nor had a beginning. Whatever gave you that idea? Most reputable scientists in astrophysics today will tell you that the universe had a beginning as shown in the Big Bang Theory. IMO, you should stop making conclusions without adequate proof. By failing to do so, you will continue to make errors in your observation of the world. You are making an error in reason just as the jihadists are using fundamentalism as their justification to murder those who don't believe in Islam. Is this irony? I can't tell anymore. Yes, this universe had a beginning. An eternal universe implies that the universe is also infinite. An eternal universe also implies that trillions of years after the earth is gone, another identical earth will form and everything that happened here will again repeat ad infinitum. The possibilities also become infinite. Every conceivable thing must spring into existence at some point. But, if there were preceding universes, before this universe, the First cause principle, Prime mover, becomes redundant or unnecessary. By the way, John hasn't studied evolution carefully. Hey John, read below and weep, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/part2.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/part2.html This universe clearly had a beginning and will have an end. This universe is also finite. So, you don't have to worry about another identical earth existing or springing up. Such a possibility becomes almost zero. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Barry usually stops posting at about 20:00±1 hour GMT. So I will pipe in until he returns to the light of European day. There are three scenarios: the universe created itself the universe did not create itself the universe is here, but was never created in the first place (And because we are here, it probably is not true that it never existed in the first place.) We do not know why the universe is here, or how it came to be, we have certain scenarios that correspond to observation. We have books written in the past that tell us things about the beginning of the universe, but these books have no supporting evidence. The beginning of the universe is something of a mystery. Logic cannot be applied until there are some ideas and facts to reason with. A beginning which has not been directly observed has no real facts to argue upon. --- salyavin808@... wrote : The universe is expanding. This is a fact (or something funny is going on, but we have no reason to suspect that is the case) This means it must have been smaller in the past. Run it back further still and everything gets compressed into an infinitely dense singularity. This will cool as it expands and break up into the subatomic particles that make up everything we know today. This is well sussed maths that accounts for everything we see and is being tested bit by bit in particle accelerators even if we didn't personally witness it. What came before then is a mystery but it makes no sense to get religious at that point as there are ways quantum information can move back and forth over any barrier very slightly. A vacuum won't stay a vacuum for very long. Symmetry is broken. These ideas are incredibly simple and simply is how I think that's how it would have to start. Any complexity has to be accounted for, complexity requires information and we are trying to get from a state where there was none to a state where there is an awful lot. Any god could not have survived the start of his creation, that doesn't mean he wasn't there but he sure isn't here now, at least not in the way I've ever heard him imagined. I think we have to look within for an explanation to why the idea is so seductive still. Looked at from a spiritual viewpoint, it is also a mystery. If, for example, being is an eternal present, there is no past and the universe cannot have been created, even though it is here now, and were this to be an 'experience' resulting from spiritual practices revolving around the concept of consciousness, we also have a problem in that there is nothing to test, because the only fact is first person, and cannot be experienced by another awareness, there is only a person's description of that experience, there are no direct facts. Further, being is often described as being 'undefined', that is, we give names to it, but these are simply tokens, not the actual being, so we are logically manipulating tokens, and logic cannot touch the real thing, were it to be this way. If being is regarded as transcendental, then it is beyond the manipulation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- inmadison@... wrote : In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical matter/energy - one has to make the inference there is physical matter/energy - and this is an inference that can not be proven . . . thus, why the notion mind is an emergence of matter/energy is 'dogmatic'. Perhaps its a reasonable POV - but dogmatic none the less. --- salyavin808@... wrote : That matter and energy cannot be proven means emergence is dogma? God help us. Yes, please waste Stephen Hawking's time with that, he'll thank you for bringing it to his attention I'm sure --- turquoiseb@... wrote : There is very little on planet Earth more embarrassing than a cult fanatic who believes that the stuff he was told by his cult leader is profound Truth. Could it be that these people can't think for themselves, and need others to think for them, or have seriously deficient comprehension? Cult fanatics, these are the people who expect others to wash their butt after taking a dump. They are intellectual infants.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- inmadison@... wrote : In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical matter/energy - one has to make the inference there is physical matter/energy - and this is an inference that can not be proven . . . thus, why the notion mind is an emergence of matter/energy is 'dogmatic'. Perhaps its a reasonable POV - but dogmatic none the less. --- salyavin808@... wrote : That matter and energy cannot be proven means emergence is dogma? God help us. Yes, please waste Stephen Hawking's time with that, he'll thank you for bringing it to his attention I'm sure --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Mr Spock - to the Bridge: --- jedi_spock@... wrote : The mind is basicaly a biological phenomenon. Stones don't think. I disagree. With both sentences. A lot. But I'll be cool. Sorry, what I meant that, so far artificial minds haven't existed on earth. Perhaps in the future, yes. The point is, 'non-localised quantum consciousness' and 'localised biological consciousness' might be two very different things all together. They might be as different as the bulb inside your room, and the sunlight outside your house. It's important to maintain the distinction between the two. The Qualia aspect of reality is purely an experiential reality, which implies there might be some underlying consciousness under the foundations of the universe. Perhaps, science might discover it in future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- jedi_spock@... wrote : --- inmadison@... wrote : In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical matter/energy - one has to make the inference there is physical matter/energy - and this is an inference that can not be proven . . . thus, why the notion mind is an emergence of matter/energy is 'dogmatic'. Perhaps its a reasonable POV - but dogmatic none the less. --- salyavin808@... wrote : That matter and energy cannot be proven means emergence is dogma? God help us. Yes, please waste Stephen Hawking's time with that, he'll thank you for bringing it to his attention I'm sure --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Mr Spock - to the Bridge: --- jedi_spock@... wrote : The mind is basicaly a biological phenomenon. Stones don't think. I disagree. With both sentences. A lot. But I'll be cool. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Sorry, what I meant that, so far artificial minds haven't existed on earth. Perhaps in the future, yes. --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : You made me think about a video tape where Maharishi asks several scientists about creating a brain. That went right past me (my brain couldn't wrap around the idea). What was that about, do you know? Theoretically possible, but we are a way off from such capabilities. Almost anything nature can do, we can replicate. Robot evolution is happening thousands of times faster than human evolution. The future is going to be mind-boggling. The point is, 'non-localised quantum consciousness' and 'localised biological consciousness' might be two very different things all together. They might be as different as the bulb inside your room, and the sunlight outside your house. It's important to maintain the distinction between the two. The Qualia aspect of reality is purely an experiential reality, which implies there might be some underlying consciousness under the foundations of the universe. Perhaps, science might discover it in future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UKIP
--- mjackson74@... wrote : The other question I have for Sal is: What do you think of the UKIP? --- salyawin808@... wrote : Nobody divides opinion like Farage. I can't stand him, he's lived off the European taxpayer for 15 years - even claiming full expenses of £40,000 a year on top of his wages. And he does nothing but disrupt meetings and insult the other members. Some of his policies are superficially attractive but people in the UK have somehow got the idea that he's a man of the people, he calls his party The people's army, most people think he's going to be the champion of the poor and downtrodden because he seems like a normal bloke down the pub (which he very often is) what they forget is that he was a member of the Tory party when he was 15 and stood for them 3 times. He was a city trader and favours full financial deregulation, if he'd been in charge in 2008 we'd be bankrupt like Greece. He hates welfare and would privatise everything that remains of our once great country. There is difference between standardisation, regulation, and centralisation. Many get confused between the three. Standardisation and Regulation is good for the system. On the other hand, too much centralisation makes the system rigid and unable to adapt to the ever changing conditions. The old 'Soviet-Harward top-down' approach is obsolete, unworkable and needs to be ridden off. Political parties, trade unions need to be state funded. Banks above a certain size need to be nationalised. The rest of the economy should be pure capitalism, with no subsidies to any business. All labour contractors should be registered and licensed. Unregistered contractors who supply labour should be made illegal. But there are always plenty of people who prefer hyperbole to fact-checking so he does really well in elections. The only way I can account for it, given that he is the most rightwing politician on the block, is that people project what they want him to be, they fall for his charm and plain speaking, they think because he dislikes other politicians he is going to be different from them. People think voting UKIP will be a protest vote against what has become known as the Westminster Elite - career politicians who have never done a days work in the real world. Given what we know about his values, it seems like a protest against sanity. My hope is that he'll split the rightwing vote and the Tory scum will lose, but they want to limit Scottish MPs voting on English affairs after the devolution promise in last weeks vote, so Labour - who have a majority in Scotland - will lose a lot of support in the commons if their Scot's MPS can't support their policies. Hope that makes sense to you. I think we are fucked whatever happens. I want to emigrate but everywhere is the same now, unless I go to Mars. I like this quote from a NY Times article on Nigel Farage and the UKIP: Nigel Farage, the loquacious, dynamic, bumptious, bibulous, irrepressible leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party, who was touring the country ahead of the elections to the European Parliament later this month. He has himself been a member of that body for 15 years and will doubtless be re-elected, although he belongs to it only to attack it, and his party exists to destroy it, or at least British participation in it and in the European Union.
[FairfieldLife] Haggar the Horrible: s-1568786
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[FairfieldLife] Revolver Tatoo
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[FairfieldLife] Abbey Road Tattoo
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[FairfieldLife] Beatles; The White Album
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[FairfieldLife] Sgt Pepper's tattoo
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[FairfieldLife] Amazing Chemical reactions
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
More ammo for MJ. The old fraudster and vedic charlatan doesn't believe in Darwin's biological evolution. How so, could he be enlightened? And the bald fraudster has no qualms about refusing to pay even his own lawyers. I bet he paid his vedic chattels starvation wages, combined with false promises. He gives them fancy titles and robes, but keeps all the money and authority for himself. By the way, he laundered money for decades. I wonder how much ill gotten wealth he sneaked into india? --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Gotta agree with Edg here. This is not new, and not particularly shocking. Shocking was Maharishi telling Jerry Jarvis (then head of the US TM movement) not to pay th legal firm that had defended the TMO unsuccessfully in the Is TM a religion? court case the hundreds of thousands of dollars the movement owed them. Jerry paid them anyway, which I have been told is one of the primary reasons Maharishi declared him persona non grata. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of normal business deceit stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
Emotional investment into a concept creates intellectual blind-spots, over the course of decades, it can become a dogma. Too bad for Bevan and Hagelin. Try suggesting a scientific double-blind study under an impartial observer like Randi. They wouldn't accept. It's so easy to fudge statistics. Does Bevan really believe that Australia is a slave of Britain? --- LEnglish5@... wrote : Last I looked, Bevan's pay was inline with all other MUM faculty beside's Hagelin's: slave wages. And Bevan Morris managed to get to India when he was 18(? 20?) on his own steam around the same time as the Beatles showed up, and MMY recognized his devotion to the cause from that moment on. L --- awoelflebater@... wrote : I have never watched Bevan on tape before, or at least I don't remember having watched him. I was watching pretty hard to figure him out from the little I could see. Mostly I was trying to see if he really believed in what he was saying. I was looking for some indicator of real belief and certitude that he might have about it all. I came away unsure if he sticks around because he is so invested and so important in the Movement or because it is all he's got. It can be really hard to be the front man for this kind of thing, this Movement that contends what it does and yet there is so little to show for it in terms of flyers and invincibility and world peace. It must make one doubtful, it must make one question one's faith, for faith is vital on some level here. Does Bevan get tired of it all or is the pay just too darn good to make a run for it? I don't know, but I'd like to have a chat with the man. --- s3raphita@... wrote : Not come across that video before - excellent! Bevan Morris comes across as a one-man circle jerk. And as for MMY's comment that Australia is a slave of Britain . . . has he ever met any Aussies? If I were to walk into an Australian pub here in London and repeat that line to the clientele they'd burst their sides laughing. Priceless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
I agree that ranking 'levels of enlightenment' is bogus. I wonder where he got that idea from? Making people talk too much about their experiences is also a bad idea. It can make a person lose focus and perspective. A true guru's job is only to direct and not lead. He is a teacher and not a leader. I agree with Vaj that MMY did do damage in that sense. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : Looks like about a 5 shot Americano rap. Tried a Starbuck's Clover yet? ;-) As you know I would agree with you that ranking spiritual experiences is bogus. As I said the other day (as well as many other times) Maharishi kinda confused folks with levels of enlightenment. In many simpler Indian traditions you are either experiencing enlightenment or not. And as Earl Kaplan pointed out in that letter of his he learned what I did visiting India: enlightenment is not that uncommon. On 09/17/2014 10:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by disagreeing with it. Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book. He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had about my own irregular practice of mindfulness meditation and how it relates to my previous experience with TM. Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient. I am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.) I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will give you props for that. The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought provoking. Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of Dungeons and Dragons role play games. Sam's description of being caught up in and identified with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the illusion of the self as freedom seems unwarranted to me. It reminds me of
[FairfieldLife] Re: New York Wins Miss America
The 'public space' needs to be protected from the onslaught of the Liberals. The 'private space' needs to be protected from the onslaught of the Conservatives. It's a paradox. In other words, you need two distinct set of laws to deal with issues of 'public space' and 'private space'. Coming to the issue of hyper-sexualisation of girls, it prevents them from having a normal healthy childhood, the previous generations had. This kind of crass commercialism and consumerism can be prevented if you tax consumption, instead of income. 'progressive consumption tax' forces people to consume less resources, purchase less goods, and put their money in banks. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It is demonic. Done for the money. The earlier children can be sexualized, opens up more marketing possibilities, legal and not. We will debase ourselves completely, as a culture, if it means a buck can be made. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : I was at a trade show one year down in Florida and in the hotel there happened to be a beauty pageant for young girls. I was astounded. The time and energy put into making very young children look like they were prostitutes was really creepy. The mothers are all bustling about with suitcases of costume changes and these little made up dolls (their daughters) with big. lacquered hair and blingy outfits were a sight to behold. Madness. --- sharelong60@... wrote : Bhairitu, I never minded about beauty pageants. Until I heard about the pageants for VERY young girls. Who wore make up and high heels. Something about that seems very icky to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
--- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Just as an aside, isn't it fascinating that Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash thinks Maharishi's stalk off when someone asks a question he doesn't want to answer routine is a win? That, after all, is JIM's act whenever someone brings up something *he* doesn't want to deal with (like pretending to be a woman for months on FFL). He gets angry, loses all self control, and then stalks off himself, dropping out of sight, often returning later with a new ID and hoping everyone has forgotten how much he embarrassed himself. As cult leader, so like cult follower...Jimbo is parroting not only Maharishi's dumbass dogma, he's mimicking his behavior. You mean that ID 'enlightened_dawn11'? It's amazing how true blue believers interpert events. But then even the TM-org is guilty of this. Kinda reminds me of how the old communists and capitalists interpert the same identical data in totally different ways.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
Fascinating. I wonder what is your take on it? --- steve.sundur@... wrote : You put your own spin on it, just like anyone else. When you've got an axe to grind, then you interpret things accordingly. You are no more free of bias than anyone else. Your statements below reflect that. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. --- salyavin808@... wrote : I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. When I was a newbie meditator I was filled with the usual fervent zeal of the newly converted, convinced I'd discovered some truth that has eluded the mainstream. Imagine my surprise when the Sunday Times did (for some reason) a round up of cults and what they were all about. I was shocked to see TM in there at all but the fact they got a maximum loony rating seemed amazing at the time. But I didn't know anything about them then. You need to be on the inside not to see it. Marshy came over very badly I thought, were you convinced that the reason he refused to meet in person is because he found that new people waste his time? What sort of crappy excuse is that. Can you fly? is a perfectly reasonable question to someone who makes a fortune out of telling others they can. And the faux grovelling outrage by Bev and Da king convinced me not at all. Bottom line, someone didn't take them seriously and they didn't like it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Great find, Geez. It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's so insane it hurts to look at him. I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*. :-) :-) :-) Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of TM True Believers. And they're right. From: geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Steve, You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment, otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made progress or not. But then, who has the 'right' markers? There are lots of descriptions of enlightenment in various traditions. Jim's experience is one of them, but it has me being suspicious because he has said rather little of it in detail, other than he has it, and he knows others do not. The only teacher I know of who describes enlightenment in great detail from start to finish, from a more 'personal' perspective, warts and all, is Adyashanti. There may be other teachers I do not know of, undoubtedly. Maharishi's system appears to have some general benchmarks, but it seems many have had experiences that are of another quality. The jury is out on this for me, but Jim seems to avoid going into much detail about his experience. 'Silence 24/7', a big release when it dawned, 'every perception sees the infinity of the object, unity prevailing', but generally not particularly creative in going beyond stock phrases that could be lifted from Maharishi's tapes. Because he seems to be interested in creativity and expression, I think he could do better at this and make up his own words for this, because then you get more of a feeling of a connexion with a person's mind. To me Jim seems more bluster than Brahman, but I do feel he had a profound experience from his point of view. I would just like to know more about it, and he seems reluctant to go into more detail. Also Jim seemed not to understand descriptions of enlightenment from other perspectives, such as Vedanta, which should not be a problem. Just something seems missing to me. Jim's performance strikes me as low resolution bravura, and seems more interested in telling the tale of it and how it compares to others' than in using it to illuminate our understanding about it. And Jim also said of Barry 'Barry told a silly little story about some western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead they were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts'. This was a cut and paste a friend sent to Barry from Sam Harris's book. It was an illustration that we can have experience which we misinterpret as enlightenment, but the story was part of a larger context in the book. I do think Barry was making a veiled reference to Jim, for Barry thinks Jim's enlightenment is faux enlightenment, and the story Sam Harris told was just that. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Barry simply reposted the excerpt sent to him by Vaj, because it is a comment on the issue of Neo-Advaitan pseudo-enlightenment we've discussed here many times. Barry does not believe anyone on this forum is enlightened, no matter how much they claim to be, and has said so many times. If the ones doing the claiming get their panties in a twist over it, he considers that proof that they're not enlightened, and thanks them for providing it. :-) For the record, Barry also does not read any FFL posts made by either Richard or Steve, and doesn't much care whether they stop eating and die, because that wouldn't affect him in any way. If Edg or Anartaxius fasted themselves to death stopped posting to FFL he would probably miss their writing for a day or so but he'd get over it. Seems to me people should get over themselves and get back to the business of being ordinary. :-) --- awoelflebater@... wrote : Yes, follow bawee's example and become very, very ordinary. There is nothing like being mediocre, average, run-of-the-mill, suburban, unmemorable, unexceptional, commonplace, humdrum, middle-of-the-road, dull, bland or conventional. Keep showing us how, bawee, so far you're doin' great. Somebody in the forum said, Barry is one of those unusual people with a talent for looking down on others from the gutter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness practice on FFL
--- turquoiseb@.. mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS. --- punditster@... wrote : Says the guy who has held a grudge against Judy Stein and Richard Williams for over ten years. Is Barry on some kind of drug or what? He seems to be almost in total dissociation from reality sometimes. Go figure. You always nail him, don't you? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: There was one section of Sam Harris' new book that resonated with me, because it described a type of mindfulness I've found myself practicing lately in the context of FFL -- screening out anger, so as no longer having to deal with that low mindstate, and get sucked into it. What he wrote was originally about meditation and how to deal with the daily cascade of our *own* thoughts and moods, but I found it also applicable to dealing with other people's moods on a discussion group such as this one: Breaking the Spell of Negative Emotions Most of us let our negative emotions persist longer than is necessary. Becoming suddenly angry, we tend to stay angry—and this requires that we actively produce the feeling of anger. We do this by thinking about our reasons for being angry—recalling an insult, rehearsing what we should have said to our malefactor, and so forth—and yet we tend not to notice the mechanics of this process. Without continually resurrecting the feeling of anger, it is impossible to stay angry for more than a few moments. While I can’t promise that meditation will keep you from ever again becoming angry, you can learn not to stay angry for very long. And when talking about the consequences of anger, the difference between moments and hours—or days—is impossible to exaggerate. I liked this, because it's kinda the way I live my life. I have an ongoing mini-mindfulness routine going on in my mind, almost a background process, that enables me to *notice* when I've dropped into a lower mindstate such as anger. On the rare occasions I become angry, I just allow this background process to wake me up a little, and then I gently move my attention to somewhere happier and more productive. As a result, I honestly can't remember a time in *years* in which I managed to stay angry for more than a couple of minutes, five minutes max. This may be one reason why Fairfield Life is a challenge from time to time, because it seems to be populated by people who do the exact opposite. When something makes them angry, they seem to do everything in their power to STAY angry. It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS. And the fascinating thing is that they seem to believe that just because *they* prefer being angry to being happy, the people they're angry at owe it to them to prefer being angry, too. Days, weeks, months, and even years after they first became angry over something, they trot it out again in an attempt to jumpstart the original argument or insult, jumpstart the anger, make the anger mindstate lively in their minds again, and force the person they blame for that anger to participate in it as a kind of victim, so they can aim their jumpstarted anger at them again in the present, just as they did in the past. This strikes me as pretty much the opposite of mindfulness, and I finally got tired of it, so I just decided to write these people out of my life. And it works. I feel much better no longer having to interface with these anger junkies. On the other hand, past history makes me suspect that my approach may *not* be working as well for the dumpees. I would bet that a few of these people I've written off and chosen to ignore are even angrier at me now than they were before, as if I've somehow done something BAD to them by never reading anything they write. So -- since I know with near-absolute certainty that while I may not be reading their posts they're reading mine :-), for them I'll post the rest of Sam Harris' advice about the mindfulness of dealing with anger. May they learn something from it: Even without knowing how to meditate, most people have experienced having their negative states of mind suddenly interrupted. Imagine, for instance, that someone has made you very angry—and just as this mental state seems to have fully taken possession of your mind, you receive an important phone call that requires you to put on your best social face. Most people know what it’s like to suddenly drop their negative state of mind and begin functioning in another mode. Of course, most then helplessly grow entangled with their negative emotions again at the next opportunity. Become sensitive to these interruptions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Absolutely brilliant. I much needed reminder about how crazy cults can be. None of the sanitised videos carefully chosen for youtube, Oh no. Madness, megalomania and dangerous delusion straight from the horses mouth and who can deny it? Loved the reaction from Bevan and king Tony at the end, imagine someone not treating the guru with the same level of grovelling respect that he's used to! Imagine someone actually asking questions! I wish I'd taped the weekly press conferences, I'd have a mass of lectures that would keep a whole conference of psychiatrists busy for years. Both Marshy and Hagelin ranting for hours. And no, I never liked it, I saw the nice old tapes when I was on courses and enjoyed the sentiment even if I raised my eyebrows at the physics, but I believed in the enlightenment. Getting to work with the movement gives you an unfiltered version of what they want people to think it's all about. And the Marshy channel was superb for that, absolutely bonkers and highly worrying if you like to think about things rather than just accept it all as dogma. Probably an unintentionally good way of sorting out the true believers from the merely curious. I think it was probably the perfect man course that switched me right off. I'd never encountered anything like it, absolutely no justification for the theories given and no awareness that you have to show the workings out when you are proposing a radical new idea. Of course, to the Reesh and the devoted it was all simply The Truth. And merely by virtue of the fact he'd said it too. Nice to be reminded of what it was all about. Glad I stayed sane unlike poor old Bevan -- punditster@... wrote : So, how long did you mooch off the TMO? Apparently you never became a TM Teacher, so what exactly was your position in the TM movement? Just be honest. My position? I was the guy at the back with the big smile. Until it wasn't funny anymore. Then I left. I never learned to fly either. They also serve who only stand and wait. ~ John Milton ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
--- mjackson74@... wrote : I must admit I had never heard of the perfect man course until I watched this video - what was it all about? --- salyavin@... wrote : It was the first course available on the Maharshi Open University. It was basically the evolution of the knowledge so far, a lot of stuff from king Tony and John Hagelin, lots of badly explained charts about the usual stuff, physics (allegedly) human physiology and the ved (dubious). That sort of thing. It ran for ten weeks if I remember correctly, but as I said it was dogma not education, there was no attempt to explain the ideas in a step-by-step manner which is what I expected from a university. Which was also what I wanted as I was still interested in Marshy's philosophy at the time and thought that if I got a more down to Earth explanation than what I could glean from Marshy's ramblings on the old tapes then I would maybe accept it as knowledge and not mere belief. Things like that are important to me, I got the idea of the stages of enlightenment but the underlying philosophy and especially the physics needed a more robust and scientific breakdown so I could get where it came from. Boy do you not get that, and then some. All you got was a bunch of bliss bunnies in their best treacly voices crapping on in the usual way about the vedas and what they are supposed to mean. It was excrutiating but everyone else at the academy thought it was the most profound experience they'd had! Go figure. They also had a QA section at the end where they invited people to write in with questions and comments. I wrote a nice letter asking how the concept of human physiology being present in vedic literature fitted in with evolution. Seems to me that if the ved is perfect then it can't have changed over time, if it didn't change then it wouldn't have fitted our physiology any time before the last 100,000 years. Could it be that the bald headed coot never heard of a charlie named Darwin? Turns out they weren't interested in addressing questions like that. The typical letter they'd read out was This knowledge is so profound, thank you for sharing it, I hope we can get more bliss and enlightenement from this wonderful course etc etc. Maybe I just wasn't ready
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
They all speak mostly about the methodologies. Yes, Adyashanti is the only person who seems to have spoken about the actual experience. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, they do - Ramana, and MMY and Brahmananda Saraswati, and Adyashanti, all of those guys do it and talk about it, and write books - else we wouldn't have any examples. None of the characteristics of enlightenment are a secret, or something everyone dreams up independently. As for all of the above, being frauds and deluded, yeah it does look that way, from a certain perspective. If a person is culturally brainwashed, or feeble minded, or mentally unbalanced, any of those, then the people listed above seem like frauds and deluded. As for me having a long way to go, yes, it is a big place. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : All the enlightened people talk about their experiences, No, they don't. like I am permanently established in silence, every perception sees the infinity of the object, unity prevailing. Why do you want me to repeat it? The enlightened people have been talking and writing about these things forever. They are all frauds or deluded. Barry told a silly little story about some western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead they were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts. I didn't get what was so special about the story. And this other guy, going around telling people they are enlightened, anointing them like a pope. Maharishi declared that Robin was E. The whole thing is crazy. Just as enlightenment is self-evident, attempts to do anything more than describe it, live it, or achieve it, seem counter-productive, to me. You still have a long way to go. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Let's pretend I read this. What are the reasons that this statement you made to Barry does not apply to you, or say to me? Exactly how does one experientially and empirically parse the statement 'I am enlightened (or not)' versus, say, 'he is enlightened (or not). What is the criterion or criteria for making such a judgement? What is the ability developed in you that allows you to do this? How do you avoid making a mistake about it? How does this apply to techniques and teachings of other teachers, who also make the claim of enlightenment? How do you make a judgement concerning those teachers and their students, who may use different methods and have a different explanatory context? Maharishi said 'there is nothing new under the sun' and so, what is it about enlightenment that is different from what came before? Did he lie? Did he tell the truth? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From anyone here who has said that they are enlightened, I haven't seen any unraveling. The reason being that if anyone achieves spiritual liberation using the techniques of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, they know the difference between true spiritual freedom and delusion. I am not sure you do, though. You are one of the strongest mood makers on here, and for someone in the game so long, you have almost nothing to show for it. PS Let's pretend you didn't read this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wipe them out (Syrian Rebels, IS in a Pact)
You want my advice? A single neutron bomb would be enough to wipe them out. The infrastructure will remain intact. These people are savage bandits. There is no other way out of this. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Actually it would be easier for the Iraqi forces to retake the towns that the ISIS militants have occupied after the US bombs the ISIS equipment, weapons and stronghold. However, it's another scenario in Syria itself. At this time, I would assume Assad's forces are more likely to finish the job after the US bombs the ISIS stronghold, equipment and weapons. If they don't, the so-called friendly militants would take control and Assad's power will more likely be degraded. The soldiers that are flying the drones can see fairly well through the cameras from as far as 5 to 6 miles away. They can pick out enemy combatants.
[FairfieldLife] Pope Francis considers 'live in' relationships as sin
Pope Francis considers 'live in' relationships as sin. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11095318/ Pope-marries-couples-living-in-sin-in-Vatican-ceremony.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11095318/Pope-marries-couples-living-in-sin-in-Vatican-ceremony.html The Hindu law describes -- not prescribes -- eight types of marriages including Gandharva Vivaha. Of these, only four types, namely, Brahmana (giving the girl to an educated bridegroom without dowry), Daiva (giving the girl to a priest during the performance of religious ceremony), Arsha (giving the girl after receiving dowry from the bridegroom) Prajapathya (giving the girl with respect and blessing, without dowry, the groom applies for the hand of the bride) were considered proper for all. The other four, Gandharva (Union of man and woman out of mutual love and consent, independently on their own), Asurika (marrying a girl against her will, by giving wealth to her family and kinsmen), Rakshasa (abducting a girl and marrying her forcibly) Pisacha (stealthily seducing a sleeping, intoxicated or mentally ill girl) were regarded as improper for all. According to shastras, noble marriages had no monetary or business transactions. In Islam, Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah is a type of marriage used in Twelver Shia Islam, where the duration of the marriage and the dowry must be specified and agreed upon in advance. It is a private contract made in a verbal or written format. At the end of the contract, the marriage ends and the wife must undergo iddah (a period of abstinence from sexual intercourse, usually the length of two menstrual cycles). The iddah is intended to give certain paternity to a child should the wife become pregnant during the contract.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is also in UC.! It's nutty that who get enlightened and come to an internet forum to announce that they are enlightened. That is never supposed to happen. Judy and the mean girls had descended to the level, where they lick Robin's boots. I, zarzari, emptybill, had such a difficult time with her. Read below and weep, all the enlightened pronouncements and declarations of Khomeini in Unity consciousness.! A fatwa by the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister. According to a special religious decree issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, virgin women prisoners must be raped before execution to prevent their going to heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before their murder. The next day, the religious judge at the prison issues a marriage certificate and sends it to the victim’s family, along with a box of sweets. Ayatollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements: A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life. When I first met him, he had not yet been discovered by the throngs of Western devotees who would soon turn his tiny house in Lucknow into a spiritual circus. Like his teacher Ramana, Poonja-ji claimed to be perfectly free from the illusion of the self—and by all appearances, he was. And like Ramana— and every other Indian guru—Poonja-ji would occasionally say something deeply unscientific. On the whole, however, his teaching was remarkably free of Hindu religiosity or unwarranted assertions about the nature of the cosmos. He appeared to simply speak from experience about the nature of experience itself. Poonja-ji’s influence on me was profound, especially because it came as a corrective to all the strenuous and unsatisfying efforts I had been making in meditation up to that point. But the dangers inherent in his approach soon became obvious. The all-or-nothing quality of Poonja-ji’s teaching obliged him to acknowledge the full enlightenment of any person who was grandiose or manic enough to claim it. Thus, I repeatedly witnessed fellow students declare their complete and undying freedom, all the while appearing quite ordinary—or worse. In certain cases, these people had clearly had some sort of breakthrough, but Poonja-ji’s insistence upon the finality of every legitimate insight led many of them to delude themselves about their spiritual attainments. Some left India and became gurus. From what I could tell, Poonja-ji gave everyone his blessing to spread his teachings in this way. He once suggested that I do it, and yet it was clear to me that I was not qualified to be anyone’s guru. Nearly twenty years have passed, and I’m still not. Of course, from Poonja-ji’s point of view, this is an illusion. And yet there simply is a difference between a person like myself, who is generally distracted by thought, and one who isn’t and cannot be. I don’t know where to place Poonja-ji on this continuum of wisdom, but he appeared to be a lot farther along than his students. Whether Poonja-ji was capable of seeing the difference between himself and other people, I do not know. But his insistence that no difference existed began to seem either dogmatic or delusional. On one occasion, events conspired to perfectly illuminate the flaw in Poonja-ji’s teaching. A small group of experienced practitioners (among us several
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On 9/13/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, you got into the game much earlier than I and stuck with it much longer than I did. I didn't do TTC until 1975 and taught a few courses after I returned in 1976 and then about a year later it was announced that courses should given over to MIU graduates, who being young, lacked experience in life and were like robots teaching. Local folks didn't take to that so along with the fee hike, the announcement of TM-Sidhis, initiations began to drop. --- punditster@... wrote : So, you didn't live in a room at the TM Center for eight years? Or, initiate 2,000 people? Or, spend five years in the golden dome without earning a degree at MUM? You must have been a slacker. Go figure. Plus, I was a bit peripheral to the local movement and hung out with people who taught yet had careers. They also liked to check out other organizations and books and I was well advised to keep such explorations secret. Plus before I started TM I had already tried some other techniques including Advaita ones. I tried TM to see what an official mantra might do. I didn't find out how unofficial those mantras were until I returned from TTC and read up on them in a book on the Vedas, mentioning they were often practiced by Hindu couples before having sex! :-D There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Vedas, for sex or otherwise. Bija mantras come from the Tantras and Hindu sex comes from the Kama Sutra. And, there are no Advaita meditation techniques. Even Edg knows that. When a person desires to have sex with his wife, he should say By the name of Allah, O' Allah, protect us from Satan and keep the Satan away from what you bestow upon us. IBN ABBAS reported The Prophet Muhammad said: When a person has sex with his wife and recites this Du'a (supplication) , If Allah gives them a baby, Satan will not harm it Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.493 On 09/13/2014 09:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I guess I do come off as blaming more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me holing up and hiding out from real life to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened intent to do Maharishi's work. But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the normal life offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various partial clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from wisdom gained because of TM. -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
--- emptybill@... wrote : AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. It's the fault of someone else. You are not responsible for your acts or your choices. Free will is an illusion. Yer just a monkey leashed to a three-strand rope - it's the guna-s after all. God/ess shoulda been better to you. But He/She is cosmically dishonest. Why else do you think you could be so easily duped. It's your personal Mohini-maya, given to you by God/ess like a Trojan horse presented to yer aggrandizing ego. Yer a dupe alright but at least you haven't been cut to pieces yet. Times agetting short though. Any more whines to wail on and on about? Tell me emptybill, did Edgar stop seeking after he got into the TM-org? The spectrum of knowledge is vast. A good teacher always refers you to other teachers to fill in the gaps in knowledge. If the TM-org tried to restrict Edgar, it's entirely the org's fault. I can understand his anger and frustration. There was never any need to gather people in groups. If TM does work, it dosen't matter where you are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
--- turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life. --- punditster@... wrote : You failed to admit that Sam Harris just trashed your pet free will theory. Something tells me you have no idea what Sam Harris thinks. Go figure. We don't have 100% percent freewill. Intellectual entities have partial freewill. The universe is partially deterministic and partially random. Willy, Willy, Willy, you're such an idiot sometimes it actually inspires awe. :-) I'm not interested in cheap, cheezy shit you can find on the Net about the Cathars... From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Catharism Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-09-11 01:26:49 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
Dude, you assume too much. There is far more to this than you have ever dreamed of. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Are you truly a raving lunatic, or simply impersonating one? No, its not an Advaita question. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is also in UC.! It's nutty that who get enlightened and come to an internet forum to announce that they are enlightened. That is never supposed to happen. Judy and the mean girls had descended to the level, where they lick Robin's boots. I, zarzari, emptybill, had such a difficult time with her. Read below and weep, all the enlightened pronouncements and declarations of Khomeini in Unity consciousness.! A fatwa by the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister. According to a special religious decree issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, virgin women prisoners must be raped before execution to prevent their going to heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before their murder. The next day, the religious judge at the prison issues a marriage certificate and sends it to the victim’s family, along with a box of sweets. Ayatollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements: A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life. When I first met him, he had not yet been discovered by the throngs of Western devotees who would soon turn his tiny house in Lucknow into a spiritual circus. Like his teacher Ramana, Poonja-ji claimed to be perfectly free from the illusion of the self—and by all appearances, he was. And like Ramana— and every other Indian guru—Poonja-ji would occasionally say something deeply unscientific. On the whole, however, his teaching was remarkably free of Hindu religiosity or unwarranted assertions about the nature of the cosmos. He appeared to simply speak from experience about the nature of experience itself. Poonja-ji’s influence on me was profound, especially because it came as a corrective to all the strenuous and unsatisfying efforts I had been making in meditation up to that point. But the dangers inherent in his approach soon became obvious. The all-or-nothing quality of Poonja-ji’s teaching obliged him to acknowledge the full enlightenment of any person who was grandiose or manic enough to claim it. Thus, I repeatedly witnessed fellow students declare their complete and undying freedom, all the while appearing quite ordinary—or worse. In certain cases, these people had clearly had some sort of breakthrough, but Poonja-ji’s insistence upon the finality of every legitimate insight led many of them to delude themselves about their spiritual attainments. Some left India and became gurus. From what I could tell, Poonja-ji gave everyone his blessing to spread his teachings in this way. He once suggested that I do it, and yet it was clear to me that I was not qualified to be anyone’s guru. Nearly twenty years have passed, and I’m still not. Of course, from Poonja-ji’s point of view, this is an illusion. And yet there simply is a difference between a person like myself, who is generally distracted by thought, and one who isn’t and cannot be. I don’t know where to place Poonja-ji on this continuum of wisdom, but he appeared to be a lot farther along than his students. Whether Poonja-ji was capable of seeing the difference between himself and other people,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
--- jedi_spock@... wrote : Dude, you assume too much. There is far more to this than you have ever dreamed of. --- punditster@... wrote : What does Robin and the Ayatollah have to do with Sam Harris? Only a raving maniac would confuse the two with Sam Harris. You are supposed to read the article below before commenting. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Are you truly a raving lunatic, or simply impersonating one? No, its not an Advaita question. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is also in UC.! It's nutty that who get enlightened and come to an internet forum to announce that they are enlightened. That is never supposed to happen. Judy and the mean girls had descended to the level, where they lick Robin's boots. I, zarzari, emptybill, had such a difficult time with her. Read below and weep, all the enlightened pronouncements and declarations of Khomeini in Unity consciousness.! A fatwa by the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister. According to a special religious decree issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, virgin women prisoners must be raped before execution to prevent their going to heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before their murder. The next day, the religious judge at the prison issues a marriage certificate and sends it to the victim’s family, along with a box of sweets. Ayatollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements: A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life. When I first met him, he had not yet been discovered by the throngs of Western devotees who would soon turn his tiny house in Lucknow into a spiritual circus. Like his teacher Ramana, Poonja-ji claimed to be perfectly free from the illusion of the self—and by all appearances, he was. And like Ramana— and every other Indian guru—Poonja-ji would occasionally say something deeply unscientific. On the whole, however, his teaching was remarkably free of Hindu religiosity or unwarranted assertions about the nature of the cosmos. He appeared to simply speak from experience about the nature of experience itself. Poonja-ji’s influence on me was profound, especially because it came as a corrective to all the strenuous and unsatisfying efforts I had been making in meditation up to that point. But the dangers inherent in his approach soon became obvious. The all-or-nothing quality of Poonja-ji’s teaching obliged him to acknowledge the full enlightenment of any person who was grandiose or manic enough to claim it. Thus, I repeatedly witnessed fellow students declare their complete and undying freedom, all the while appearing quite ordinary—or worse. In certain cases, these people had clearly had some sort of breakthrough, but Poonja-ji’s insistence upon the finality of every legitimate insight led many of them to delude themselves about their spiritual attainments. Some left India and became gurus. From what I could tell, Poonja-ji gave everyone his blessing to spread his teachings in this way. He once suggested that I do it, and yet it was clear to me that I was not qualified to be anyone’s guru. Nearly twenty years have passed, and I’m still not. Of course, from Poonja-ji’s point of view, this is an illusion. And yet there simply is a difference between a person like myself, who is generally distracted by thought,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
--- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : All the enlightened people talk about their experiences, No, they don't. like I am permanently established in silence, every perception sees the infinity of the object, unity prevailing. Why do you want me to repeat it? The enlightened people have been talking and writing about these things forever. They are all frauds or deluded. Barry told a silly little story about some western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead they were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts. I didn't get what was so special about the story. And this other guy, going around telling people they are enlightened, anointing them like a pope. Maharishi declared that Robin was E. The whole thing is crazy. Just as enlightenment is self-evident, attempts to do anything more than describe it, live it, or achieve it, seem counter-productive, to me. You still have a long way to go. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Let's pretend I read this. What are the reasons that this statement you made to Barry does not apply to you, or say to me? Exactly how does one experientially and empirically parse the statement 'I am enlightened (or not)' versus, say, 'he is enlightened (or not). What is the criterion or criteria for making such a judgement? What is the ability developed in you that allows you to do this? How do you avoid making a mistake about it? How does this apply to techniques and teachings of other teachers, who also make the claim of enlightenment? How do you make a judgement concerning those teachers and their students, who may use different methods and have a different explanatory context? Maharishi said 'there is nothing new under the sun' and so, what is it about enlightenment that is different from what came before? Did he lie? Did he tell the truth? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From anyone here who has said that they are enlightened, I haven't seen any unraveling. The reason being that if anyone achieves spiritual liberation using the techniques of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, they know the difference between true spiritual freedom and delusion. I am not sure you do, though. You are one of the strongest mood makers on here, and for someone in the game so long, you have almost nothing to show for it. PS Let's pretend you didn't read this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life.
[FairfieldLife] Dioxins - among the most poisonous substances on earth
Turning garbage into gas by, Prem Shankar Jha http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/turning-garbage- into-gas/article4924887.ece http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/turning-garbage-into-gas/article4924887.ece The dioxin threat To residents of Indian cities who have become inured to dust, smoke, diesel fumes, as well as lead and nitrous oxide poisoning, this may sound like just one more addition to the long list of risks they face in their daily lives. But dioxins belong to another level of threat altogether. The word is a generic term for more than a hundred long lasting chemicals that are produced by burning municipal and medical waste and by a few industrial processes. Dioxins are insoluble in water and when they settle on land and water bodies, they are absorbed in their entirety by terrestrial and aquatic vegetation. They travel up the food chain into animals and fish that feed on plants and thence into humans. Since living organisms cannot metabolise them, they are found in very high concentrations in meat, fish, milk and eggs. In human beings, a prolonged exposure to dioxins -- through a 'rich diet' -- impairs the functioning of the liver and the immune and reproductive systems, and raises the incidence of cancer. In sum, dioxins shorten our lifespan. Men have no way of expelling them. Women can, but only by passing them to foetuses in their wombs or breast-feeding their babies. Not surprisingly, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which put together the first comprehensive report on dioxins in 1994, described them as the most poisonous substances known to man. In Finland, the government has ordered shut an incineration plant built with the most elaborate safeguards when it found, after two years of its operation, that dioxin levels in the surrounding vegetation had risen by 15 to 25 per cent within a distance of 4 km from the plant. Whenever environmentalists have pointed these hazards out to the Delhi government, its officials and company representatives have assured them that elaborate safeguards have been incorporated into the design of the plants to ensure that they meet prescribed safety norms. But subsequent tests have falsified this claim. In tests carried out at Okhla last year, particulate emissions exceeded norms on four occasions and stayed within them only on six. A test carried out in May 2013 revealed dioxins and furans emissions from its two chimney stacks to be 2.8 and 12.7 times the prescribed maximum! In the face of such facts, the Delhi government has merely reaffirmed its determination to go ahead with setting up the incineration plants. This has led to the usual accusations of corruption and crony capitalism, but in this case the cause probably lies in two preconceptions that are deeply imbedded in the public mindset. First, that garbage is simply a nuisance and has no economic value whatever; second, since the physical sorting of household refuse is not feasible in India, incineration is the only way out. Both assumptions reflect the casual ignorance of decision-makers. There is a third way of disposing garbage that not only eliminates all pollutants, but turns garbage into gold. This is to gasify garbage. Gasification is an incomplete combustion of organic matter that replaces a large part of the carbon dioxide we get from combustion with carbon monoxide and hydrogen. These two gases are, and have been for a hundred years, the basic building blocks of the world's petrochemicals industry. They are also ideal for driving gas turbines to generate power. From India's perspective, their best feature is the ease with which they can be synthesised into any transport fuel one desires, and into Di Methyl Ether, a condensate gas that is a superior diesel substitute and a complete substitute for Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG). Gasification also eliminates the threat from dioxins. When gasification is carried out with oxygen, it produces only seven per cent of the flue gas obtained from combustion. The reaction takes place, moreover, at such high temperatures -- 1000 to 3,000 degrees Celsius -- that dioxins and furans get broken down into their basic elements, losing their toxicity. The release of dioxins from a 24 tonne-per-day plasma gasification plant that has been running for more than a decade in Yoshii, Japan, has been found to be less than one per cent of that released by corresponding incineration plants. Consequently, city and municipal corporations around the world have begun to switch to gasification. According to the U.S.-based Recovered Energy Inc., a turnkey engineering company specialising in renewable energy projects, there are 200 Municipal Solid Waste (MSW) gasification plants under construction or in operation globally, of which half use the revolutionary new technology called plasma gasification.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt
He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer. The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the 'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market. He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing but deceptive 'double talk'. --- mjackson74@... wrote : He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations, Whereas this, whereas that, Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not to mention his contempt for Christianity. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment. So what do YOU think of this quote? To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. Secularism is bad, but devatas and yagyas are scientific reality. Yeah, right. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following: Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin. The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life. It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India. Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws. We strongly condemn the word secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy. For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential. The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life. It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt
I've been out of the loop for the past couple of years. I wonder what Bevan and the nephews are up to now? Any change in the TM mov't since Maharishi died? --- mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you are incorrect - my mind became free the day I realized Marshy was not enlightened, he ran the movement as his own personal bank, self appreciation society and whorehouse, and that Bevan and company have followed his made up tradition for their own benefit. --- mjackson74@... wrote : truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so. The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments (psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone) strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years. it's a go figure, for sure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer. The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the 'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market. He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing but deceptive 'double talk'. --- mjackson74@... wrote : He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations, Whereas this, whereas that, Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not to mention his contempt for Christianity. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment. So what do YOU think of this quote? To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. Secularism is bad, but devatas and yagyas are scientific reality. Yeah, right. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following: Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin. The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
The core concept of Richard Wolf's thesis is that people should be trusted to do their own work. Centralized command economies are dead impractical ideologies, can never work in a chaotic, random universe. Wolf's insinuation is that 'centralized state capitalism' is a kind of reverse mirror image of 'centralized state socialism'. He also says that it has the same destructive effect on the institution of the family and society. Wolf also criticises the old Soviet Union, accusing it of the same inefficiency, mismanagement, ineptitude administrative malpractices. Karl Marx was an excellent diagnostician, but a bad clinician. He could point out all the deficiencies in the capitalistic system. Unfortunately, the remedy he prescribed was worse than the malady. Nassim N Taleb, the author of Black Swan says that 'free markets' work because of aggressive trial and error, eventualy somebody finds something that works. He says that small crisis are good because is allows the weaker companies to die off, and fitter ones go on to survive. He says that if you often intervene to prevent small crisis, and make the environment too flat, then when the biggie strikes, everyone is knocked out. This is what he says in page 180, Quote, For Hayek, a true forecast is done organically by a system, not by fiat. One single institution, say, the central planner, cannot aggregate knowledge; many important pieces of information will be missing. But society as a whole will be able to integrate into its functioning these multiple pieces of information. Society as a whole thinks outside the box. Hayek attacked socialism and managed economies as a product of what I have called nerd knowledge, or Platonicity -- owing to the growth of scientific knowledge, we overestimate our ability to understand the subtle changes that consti tute the world, and what weight needs to be imparted to each such change. He aptly called this scientism. This disease is severely ingrained in our institutions. It is why I fear governments and large corporations -- it is hard to distinguish between them. Governments make forecasts; companies produce projections; every year various forecasters project the level of mortgage rates and the stock market at the end of the following year. Corporations survive not because they have made good forecasts, but because, like the CEOs visiting Wharton I mentioned earlier, they may have been the lucky ones. And, like a restaurant owner, they may be hurting themselves, not us --perhaps helping us and subsidizing our consumption by giving us goods in the process, like cheap telephone calls to the rest of the world funded by the overinvestment during the dotcom era. We consumers can let them forecast all they want if that's what is necessary for them to get into business. Let them go hang themselves if they wish. As a matter of fact, as I mentioned in Chapter 8, we New Yorkers are all benefiting from the quixotic overconfidence of corporations and restaurant entrepreneurs. This is the benefit of capitalism that people discuss the least. UnQuote. --- emptybill@... wrote : Those crappy Detroit autos were realigned by the Japos - not by some commie commissar like you. After WWII (the last one we one), the Japos figured out that manufacturing power meant real power. So they learned directly from William Edwards Deming how to accurately and successfully institute and organize manufacturing processes. They actually did what he said should be done. That is the reason that Detroit has been trying to catch up yet hasn't done so yet. (Thank your f-ing union bosses.) Fidelio has done the same with at least one cigar factory - Habanos Cohiba's. It has returned Habanos Cohiba to its former glory. My dad hated communism but mourned the loss of Habanos Cohiba's - the epee-toe-mee of cigars. Read it and weep - commie bastard. In 1947, Deming was involved in early planning for the 1951 Japanese Census. The Allied powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II were occupying Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_Japan, and he was asked by the United States Department of the Army to assist with the census. He was brought over at the behest of General Douglas MacArthur, who grew frustrated at being unable to complete so much as a phone call without the line going dead due to Japan's shattered post-war economy. While in Japan, his expertise in quality control techniques, combined with his involvement in Japanese society, brought him an invitation from the Japanese Union of Scientists and Engineers (JUSE).[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming#cite_note-bio-10 JUSE members had studied Shewhart's techniques, and as part of Japan's reconstruction efforts, they sought an expert to teach statistical control. From June–August 1950, Deming trained hundreds of engineers, managers, and scholars in statistical process control (SPC)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility*
[FairfieldLife] 'Comfort Women' for ISIS as Sex-Jihad gets sanction from Cleric
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ malaysian-women-join-middle-east-jihadists-as- comfort-women-reveals-intelli http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysian-women-join-middle-east-jihadists-as-comfort-women-reveals-intelli http://www.businessinsider.my/malaysian-women- join-isis-sexual-jihad/ http://www.businessinsider.my/malaysian-women-join-isis-sexual-jihad/ The charisma of Islamic terror as a liberating influence from the decadent West has morphed ‘love jihad’ into Jihad Al-Nikah, or sexual jihad. The IS is attracting Muslim women from many countries to become “comfort women” for their fighters, reported The Malaysian Insider. “These women are believed to have offered themselves in sexual comfort roles to ISIS fighters who are attempting to establish Islamic rule in the Middle East,” said a Malaysian intelligence official. Recently, Saudi cleric Nasser al-Umar issued a fatwa permitting jihadis in Syria to have ‘sex jihad’ with their sisters if no other women were available. Reports surfaced about 13 Tunisian girls who had travelled to Syria to become sexual partners for IS fighters. On September 19 last year, Interior Minister of Tunisia Lofti bin Jeddou stated that Sunni Tunisian women were having sex with 20, 30 and even up to 100 ISIS jihadists in Syria, and that some of them had returned home pregnant. ‘Sex jihad’ originated from a 2013 fatwa titled ‘Jihad ul Nikaah’ by Saudi Wahhabi cleric Sheikh Mohamad al-Arefe, exhorting Sunni women to sleep with mujahideen fighting the Assad regime in Syria. News reports indicated that Sunni women from Australia, Britain and Malaysia have voluntarily become IS comfort women.
[FairfieldLife] Smallpox and other pathogens found in NIH
The National Institutes of Health said it has uncovered a nearly century-old container of ricin and a handful of other forgotten samples of dangerous pathogens as it combs its laboratories for improperly stored hazardous materials. The agency began an intensive investigation of all its facilities after a scientist in July found vials of smallpox dating from the 1950s, along with other contagious viruses and bacteria that had been stored and forgotten in one lab on the NIH’s campus. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/forgotten-vials- ricin-smallpox-plague-uncovered-nih-labs-review/ http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/forgotten-vials-ricin-smallpox-plague-uncovered-nih-labs-review/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Simply put, no objects exist independently of their being known. --- Salyawin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think the problem might be your language. The way this reads seems to suggest that there is no external reality and that we are required to collapse waveforms and create the world. Is this what you intend? This is important because terms like consciousness is the ultimate reality are pretty loaded and for someone like me who puts everything into a physics and evolutionary context gets the heebies with mystical mumbo jumbo because it has no basis in physics and I can't see how it doesn't contradict what we know about evolution entirely. As these are the cornerstones of knowledge it has to fit somebody has some explaining to do and I don't think will be me. Non-localized 'quantum consciousness' and localized 'biological consciousness' might be two very different things all together. It's important to maintain that distinction between the two while discussing this. This doesn't really contradict evolution. Several people cannot see the same object and see it exactly as it is. We see only the attributes of an object, that is, we see only it's properties. We do not see gestalt wholes exactly as they are. Objects appear in consciousness as wholes, or 'gestalts'. They enter experience already made by each individual. According to my professor, it is obvious that different people may not see the same object exactly alike; just as it is - but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source: We fail to take into account the constructed character of knowing - the term 'constructed character' of knowing is used to name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. --- Salyawin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's all obvious if you ignore the misleadingly mysterious language, what I notice is that it doesn't offer an explanation other than that there must be something else. Replacing a mystery with a mystery in other words, I say wait until a bit more work has been done before we get all religious about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
--- Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It seems possible that causality is pure bunk. It seems possible that we all have a Divine Hand up our kazoos, and so, how Lord Henson determines which glove-thing is going to be creating the illusion kissing Ms. Pig tomorrow at 3 P.M. is an impossible-for-Kermit-to-grok aspect of reality. Consider how Krishna insisted karma is unfathomable.to history's best warrior in the midst of great urgency. Big K was not lying to anyone that day, ya know? And then there's Brahma diving down the Lotus Stalk for 3,000 of HIS YEARSnot human yearsand then He quit -- deciding that there was no calculus that could give closure to the particular kind of endlessness He'd explored. Gave up. Gave fucking up. God gave up. And here's our unmerry band of FFL fools trashing each other like all of us had such transcendent KEN -- unknown to Krishna and Brahma -- that we could assign ANY blame upon any entity anywhere, anywhen -- whilst not the least true sentience in all the universe is to be found in this uncausably divine Punchin' Judy Show. TL;dr version: ain't nobody here wut knowz'z next thought. BAM! That's the core axiom of conscious: whence thoughts? What have any of us to do with thoughts? Where is traction for any will to be expressed? We can't purposefuly grow hair, beat hearts or ever have a thought we'd planned-in-detail to have. The Divine Automaton just keep clicking its gears. Does ya feel lucky, Punky? Take into account billions and billions of barren planets in this universe, on which life never evolved. It's obvious that we got here by random, chance accident. Also take into account many parallel universes in which the laws of physics were slightly different, and lost stability and immediately collapsed. It's quite possible that such failed universes dissipated quickly before life could arise in them. Add to it the fact that 99% percent of species that ever existed on earth itself went extinct. The earth itself is not in the middle of the sweet spot of the habitable zone. We are precariously close to the hot zone border. Push earth just 5% percent inside and it will become like venus. I just don't see any 'personal god' anywhere. It was just a totally random chance accident.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal: It's all about what explanations you accept, some ancient authority that didn't know about things like evolution and the laws of physics or something a bit more nailed down and understood in relation to everything else. And preferably not contradicting everything else. That's an important bit. Ray: Here is where my idealism comes to the fore. I give my predessors on this rock, more credit. Salyawin: Oh, I give them tons of credit, I just think they were wrong because they didn't have a method of testing that would eliminate poor explanations. That's our best invention. I think they were probably just as determined to understand the whys and hows of the world around them worked, and so they used the only means they had available which was to go within, or possibly go out, in terms of the celestial. Salyawin: Absolutely. But since I am not much of a proponent of astrology, or jyotish, or whatever you want to call it, let me focus on the going in part. I don't pretend to understand the symbolism of the vedas, but I've read enough of the upanishads and texts like the Gita, as well as other bits of knowledge from that time to come to the conclusion that their inner research was on target in many ways. Salyawin: You mean you like their explanations? Sal: Yes and no. All life on earth is connected, the earth may as well be connected to the sun because gravity aint going anywhere. But does everything rely on everything else in some symbiotic sort of way? No, we are here despite the atmosphere and conditions on this planet, and it was trying to survive that made us smart not any creative intelligence. Life crawled out of a swamp and ended up with us and our experiences. Ray: Yes, that is the theory of evolution. But, I don't buy that particular version that you espouse here, at least as the development of humans. My version is more esoteric. If you ask me to provide some evidence, I can't. I know, because there is none. On the other hand, your version is just a theory too. You are not able to provide any definitive proof. Just a theory? There's no just about it. A theory is an idea that hopes to explain a set of data points. Evolution by natural selection has no contrary evidence and has a well understood method by which it works. You can test it by the fossil record, DNA and some of Darwin's experiments. It explains all complexity in life and all adaptations that any animal has. Life on Earth is descended from one cell, I think that's one of THE major discoveries. I think a lot of the problem people have with it is that it isn't explained well enough at school or in the media. Not enough to really get to grips with how it works. But it's the class leader in terms of explanations which is why everything else has to fit in with it. The ever expanding fossil record, proved the theory of evolution beyond a shadow of doubt. The discovery that a small mutation in the hox genes can trigger massive changes in the organism, gives insight into how evolution actually works on the genetic level. Sal: Some would say the size of the universe and the loss of all our precious beliefs about our superiority makes us mere insignificant specks, but maybe the ugly facts of nature make us the most important things in existence? Ray: Well, fortunately more evidence seems to be coming in all the time. On the other hand, just a few months ago everyone in the scientific community was all a twitter about the instant after the big bang when things were expanding faster than the speed of light for an instant, which accounted for the gravitation waves we see. And then, almost just a quick, it was found to have flaws. Maybe the knowledge we acquire on the inward stroke is more reliable. If it is in fact knowledge at all ;-) Knowledge about why we think this knowledge is superior would be more interesting to me! Luckily my tea breaks dictate the amount of waffle I can fit into a day. Is it High Tea or just a little break? (-: High tea of course old chap! But I'm foreswearing the cakes at the moment due to an expanding waistband. Earl gray only this week.
[FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven
[FairfieldLife] Re: The invention of telepathy. Sort of....
But, somebody in this forum said, Bubbles, please don't twist your neck into a pretzel, pretending you don't read every single post in FFL. The Chiropactor was right, you aren't exactly a spring chicken. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This morning I logged into Yahoo and, as has become my morning ritual, deleted 70 posts from Richard, Steve, Share, Ann, Nabby, Jim, and Dan without opening them. Out of curiosity, I then did a string search on the folder containing these deleted posts, and found that my name or ID was mentioned in over 60 of them, often preceded by the word From, as if they were replying to some post I'd made. What's up with that? These people have been told that I don't read their posts. Why then are they replying to mine? I made a total of 4 posts about TM or MIU yesterday, and that seems to have generated over 60 replies from people with their panties in a twist, all of them writing feverishly to someone *who isn't reading their posts*. It's as if they believe *I* have mastered the direct brain-to-brain communication talked about in this article, and that therefore they can still somehow manage to insult me telepathically even when I don't read their posts. :-) :-) :-) Thanks for the compliment...I guess...but to get real for a moment, all these people are writing these replies for themselves and for each other, probably to vent their frustrations at being called what they are -- cultists. Just to reiterate the point that they all seem to be missing -- I don't consider it even a *possibility* that any of them are or ever will be interesting enough or intelligent enough to *ever* read anything any of them writes, ever again. They are history -- written off. If in making all of these replies they're trying to pretend to themselves that I still *am* reading their posts, and that therefore they're still as important as they think they are, I would suggest that they're making a better case for them being cultists than I ever could. Thanks to them for helping out... :-) :-) :-) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The invention of telepathy. Sort of Direct brain-to-brain communication demonstrated in human subjects http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm Direct brain-to-brain communication demonstrat... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm In a first-of-its-kind study, an international team of neuroscientists and robotics engineers has demonstrated the viability of direct brain-to-brain communication ... View on www.sciencedaily.com http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: WTF - For Rick
To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. By the way, Vaj's email is also bouncing. Is he dead as well? --- turquoiseb@... wrote : A friend who used to post here sent this short reaction to dropping by FFL for a look today to me in email. I thought it was worth sharing with the forum: No wonder I never bother looking in. Tex is outta control! Or maybe it’s just that there is no “there” there anymore. Tex’s eruptions are just the death rattle of a dead site. 177 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 46 danfriedman2002 39 steve.sundur 39 salyavin808 30 jr_esq 30 fleetwood_macncheese 30 Share Long sharelong60 29 Michael Jackson mjackson74 28 nablusoss1008 28 awoelflebater 28 Bhairitu noozguru 12 s3raphita 10 emilymaenot 9 dmevans365 9 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 6 emptybill I think that death rattle of a dead site kinda nails it. And IMO it's clearly Rick's fault. As many have pointed out, he *could* do something to remove a person who has said outright that his only reason for posting so much is to fuck with people he doesn't like and ruin their site. But he doesn't. Clearly Rick doesn't read his own forum enough to even CARE what Richard Williams has turned the experience of reading it into. If it were me, given his history and how he's resisted any attempts to get him to lighten up for years now, I'd ban Richard for at least a year. With two conditions. First, if he attempts to create other IDs so he can post anyway, nuke each of the new IDs as they appear and make the ban permanent for life. Second, offer anyone still around on FFL after a year a vote to see if they want to allow him back. Post a few links back to this recent period in which he's been making 500+ posts a month to help them decide how to vote. No muss, no fuss, no maintenance, and maybe the forum would become a pleasant place to have a discussion again. Maybe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WTF - For Rick
Calm down Steve. You seem to have taken Judy's role here? Be reasonable. WillyTex is making the forum virtualy unreadable. I propose 200 posts per month rule. That should be easy for any moderator to handle. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : I don't advocate controlling content, but just curious, what is the percentage of MJ postings that slam anything TMO, 95%, which is not necessary a problem except that it also can amount to more than 50 comments a week. What percent of your postings include some gratuitous negative comment about TM? 75, 80?%? And I'm talking about your obligatory add on to any other subject matter. You know, the moral of the story. How, for example, the chit chat in a bar is..so much superior to anything on FFL, or how a dog peeing on a fire hydrant, reminds you of some deficiency of the TMO. Or how the cult apologists on the forum are always just one or two posts from driving you away. Be the change you want to see, dude. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. For those whose brains are so atrophied from the practice of TM that they cannot do math, so far this week Richard Williams has managed to make almost *30% of all posts* made to Fairfield Life. * So far this week: 177 posts out of 600 - 29.5% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Aug 30: 209 posts out of 1129 - 18.5% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Aug 23: 258 posts out of 943 - 27.4% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Aug 16: 146 posts out of 681 - 23.4% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Aug 09: 152 posts out of 741 - 20.5% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Aug 02: 112 posts out of 518 - 21.6% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Jul 26: 104 posts out of 439 - 23.6% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Jul 19: 149 posts out of 541 - 27.5% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Jul 12: 166 posts out of 720 - 23.1% of all posts made to FFL * Week ending Jul 05: 167 posts out of 660 - 25.3% of all posts made to FFL If that's not flooding the forum and malicious intent, I don't know what is. NO ONE was this malicious in their overposting back when Posting Limits were first instituted -- not Judy, not Lawson, not Shemp. The only reason Richard's percentage of total posts was so low during the week ending August 30 is that Dan Friedman tried to emulate Richard's Net terrorist approach and made 252 posts of his own, increasing the noise but decreasing Richard's noise ratio. If Dan hadn't been posting, Richard's percentage would have been 23.8%. There is no sanity left there to appeal to in a person who posts this compulsively, and this consistently compulsively. Nuke this guy so we can forget him entirely, as if he had never existed. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : A friend who used to post here sent this short reaction to dropping by FFL for a look today to me in email. I thought it was worth sharing with the forum: No wonder I never bother looking in. Tex is outta control! Or maybe it’s just that there is no “there” there anymore. Tex’s eruptions are just the death rattle of a dead site. 177 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 46 danfriedman2002 39 steve.sundur 39 salyavin808 30 jr_esq 30 fleetwood_macncheese 30 Share Long sharelong60 29 Michael Jackson mjackson74 28 nablusoss1008 28 awoelflebater 28 Bhairitu noozguru 12 s3raphita 10 emilymaenot 9 dmevans365 9 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 6 emptybill I think that death rattle of a dead site kinda nails it. And IMO it's clearly Rick's fault. As many have pointed out, he *could* do something to remove a person who has said outright that his only reason for posting so much is to fuck with people he doesn't like and ruin their site. But he doesn't. Clearly Rick doesn't read his own forum enough to even CARE what Richard Williams has turned the experience of reading it into. If it were me, given his history and how he's resisted any attempts to get him to lighten up for years now, I'd ban Richard for at least a year. With two conditions. First, if he attempts to create other IDs so he can post anyway, nuke each of the new IDs as they appear and make the ban permanent for life. Second, offer anyone still around on FFL after a year a vote to see if they want to allow him back. Post a few links back to this recent period in which he's been making 500+ posts a month to help them decide how to vote. No muss, no fuss, no maintenance, and maybe the forum would become a pleasant place to have a discussion again. Maybe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WTF - For Rick
On 9/3/2014 2:58 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This is funny - a guy that obviously doesn't even read my posts, and has never, in over ten years had a discussion with me, thinks I'm nuts for trying to start a discussion on a discussion forum. I've had plenty of disussions with you and was reading your posts till last month. You can talk a lot of sense at times. What on earth has gotten into you in the past few months? Your posts are increasingly sounding like monologues and not dialogues. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. By the way, Vaj's email is also bouncing. Is he dead as well? --- turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : A friend who used to post here sent this short reaction to dropping by FFL for a look today to me in email. I thought it was worth sharing with the forum: No wonder I never bother looking in. Tex is outta control! Or maybe it’s just that there is no “there” there anymore. Tex’s eruptions are just the death rattle of a dead site. 177 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 46 danfriedman2002 39 steve.sundur 39 salyavin808 30 jr_esq 30 fleetwood_macncheese 30 Share Long sharelong60 29 Michael Jackson mjackson74 28 nablusoss1008 28 awoelflebater 28 Bhairitu noozguru 12 s3raphita 10 emilymaenot 9 dmevans365 9 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 6 emptybill I think that death rattle of a dead site kinda nails it. And IMO it's clearly Rick's fault. As many have pointed out, he *could* do something to remove a person who has said outright that his only reason for posting so much is to fuck with people he doesn't like and ruin their site. But he doesn't. Clearly Rick doesn't read his own forum enough to even CARE what Richard Williams has turned the experience of reading it into. If it were me, given his history and how he's resisted any attempts to get him to lighten up for years now, I'd ban Richard for at least a year. With two conditions. First, if he attempts to create other IDs so he can post anyway, nuke each of the new IDs as they appear and make the ban permanent for life. Second, offer anyone still around on FFL after a year a vote to see if they want to allow him back. Post a few links back to this recent period in which he's been making 500+ posts a month to help them decide how to vote. No muss, no fuss, no maintenance, and maybe the forum would become a pleasant place to have a discussion again. Maybe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black and White? (Where is Barry Wright?)
I don't think any of our lawmakers really understand the problem. This is not a black and white world and there are no 'black n white' solutions. One has to take into account the dualities and the paradoxes in nature. Which again brings us to the barbel strategy. If political parties and canditates received 'state funding', they would not sell the country to vested interests. Their loyalty would be to the country and not to some obscure corporate interest. It's an unfortunate situation where a flawed system holds back progress and development. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : Problem is that the US has gone overboard as far as capitalism goes. The place now resembles a carnival midway with everyone out hawking things. And if you criticize it the great unwashed just sees things as black and white and thinks you're a communist. On 08/31/2014 03:24 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hide message history ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/30/2014 03:17 PM, wayback71@... mailto:wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Glad you are still here. I too have taken long stretches of time off from FFL. You might enjoy The 100 foot Journey with Helen Mirren. Fluff but charming. Movie attendance in the US has been way way down this summer. Much of the best stuff is on TV. Here in the US a really big issue these days in medical marijuana, its uses, which states allow it and in what manner. Another tidbit, financial planners are now routinely telling people to expect to have to make their savings last til age 95. Conservative planners use age 100, especially for younger people. A new and longer life span, and the need to save more and retire later. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : So how many millions or billions (given future inflation) do they have to save up? You need several million dollars to comfortably retire these days. I think some of the financial planners may be living on another planet. They are certainly not very realistic about how much income one can make and save. Maybe they're smoking some of that medical marijuana? ;-) jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It's important to draw a line of distinction between 'pro-market policies' and 'pro-business' policies. Pro-market policies create a level playing field, favors merit,and generate actual wealth. Pro-business policies favor only a few big business houses, it leads to corruption, inequalities in wealth, leads to crony capitalism. Pro-business policies lead to 'centralized state capitalism' Richard Wolf states that 'Centralised state Capitalism' is as bad as 'Centralised state Socialism' On the other hand, 'De-centralised non-state Socialism' can exist along with 'De-centralised non-state Capitalism' Cooperative entities exist, side by side with corporate entities. Even Ayn Rand wouldn't have approved of 'pro-business policies' https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5; class=ygrps-yiv-703950516link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-703950516link-enhancr-element https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-x... https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 View on m.ak.fbcdn.net https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 Preview by Yahoo https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-x... View on m.ak.fbcdn.net Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: New FFL Rule, was where is what's his name?
We can have a rule like, 100 posts for two weeks That would give Alex an easier time to keep track. By the way, into which folder you would send Judy's posts and Share's posts. --- xeno anartaxius@... wrote : I have been spending my time fiddling with the Yahoo e-mail sort rules. Previously I have only posted directly into FFL. I have not quite got it right yet, but I have got the FFL individual e-mails sorting into three separate folders FFL-fluff; FFL-maybe; and FFL-read. I have just not quite figured out how the API interprets the filters command 'SENDER contains...' As soon as I get it right, assuming it works, I will resume posting, having filtered out most of the crap e-mails. Already all of Richard's e-mails are going into the FFL-fluff folder and not appearing in the main In-box or the read folder! If a new poster shows up, it will appear in the main In-box. This seemed better to me than trying to just block certain posters, just in case something interesting shows up. It just takes time to set up all the individual sort rules. Now that I have Richard's posts out of the way, I can work on the other insubstantial posters. I would vote to have Richard removed from FFL. With the old system of 50 posts a week, Alex had to deal with over posting every week. I suppose he would mind if he had to do that, say, every three months. That is, remove someone for posting excessively for a period of a quarter of a year, or maybe longer. That would not take too much extra effort. From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com If she who shall not be named wants to be anonymous, she should not post here with a subscription tied to her real name. As much as I like said person, her demands for anonymity under a non-anonymous identity are silly and unreasonable. -- turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with this, when are the moderators of Fairfield Life going to do something about the troll who is attempting to destroy it, as he destroyed a.m.t. a few years earlier, by spamming it with endless crap. Richard Williams has made almost 350 posts in a little over a week, and no one stands up to him and demands that he stop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Barry Wright?
--- noozguru@... wrote : Posting limits are stupid but moderation is not. The trolls would have been booted long ago if someone weren't afraid to moderate just a little bit. Most other group moderators do this. Rick even suggested that Richard needs a hobby. Best policy currently is to ignore the trolls and especially don't reply to them. Then they'll return to the bridges they live under. --- salyavin808@... wrote : I think it's a deliberate ploy to bore everyone shitless so one of the only places you can enjoy a free talk about the TMO gets abandoned. Or maybe they really are that gormless? Go figure. You nailed it. Which is why a posting limit was put in place, in the first place. It was done basicaly because of Lawson, Judy and Shemp. On 08/30/2014 10:38 AM, dmevans365@... mailto:dmevans365@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep. Interesting what has happened. The limits were removed. Almost immediately, Richard and Share ushered the forum into its evolution as a chat room - characterized as all are by a preponderence of meaningless drivel. Gone are the limits telling the brain to put some thought into a post, put some thought into topics, put some thought into with who and in what format one wanted to converse. Limits that forced a pause in the action. Quite the statement this forum is, really. On 8/30/2014 6:51 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: He has been on vacation. But FFL seems to have gone mostly to fluff lately, with a lot of short spammy twinkie brain posts so there is not much to read here any more, no discussions of any substance...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin Explains the 11 Spacetime Dimensions
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin and Rick, Now that you thought of a debate. I would recommend that Rick set up a debate on BATGAP between Hagelin and Krauss on the issue of, Is the Universe Based on Consciousness? This could be a potential viral hit on YouTube. ---salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I'd give it a like for sure. The trouble with fringe whacko's is that they don't get the chance to debate with leaders in their fields. Atheists do not create with creationists because it gives any passing observer the idea that creationism is a valid point of view. Sounds arrogant but you have to draw the line somewhere and besides, these things take time to research, anyone willing to take on JH would have to put the legwork in to make sure they had enough against it to win a debate. Creationists can be very clever but they are also completely wrong but if the idea is to convert people to their cause they can do that with seemingly plausible arguments. I don;t actually know where anyone would get thorough knowledge about JH's theories because I've never seen it, except for his Consciousness/unified field paper and that just reads like a TM intro lecture. If that's all he's got then it will be a very short debate as that has been roundly criticised by many people already. But I would like to see a trained sceptics opinion of it all. I think that theories about what underlies QP are up to what you want to believe... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : MJ, Hagelin is presenting unique ideas to the scientific community which describe the basis of the universe, which is consciousness itself. It's obvious that many scientists, like Krauss, Hawking, and Dawkins, do not with Hagelin. Hagelin may not be as foolish as you think he is. ---salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think the word you missed out is agree. String theory is probably outside Dawkins field of expertise but he will snort with derision at anything that smells of god or mysticism. And Hawking is no fan of spiritual theories of creation. I wouldn't say Hagelin is an idiot but I think he's foolish to speculate so wildly in public. I know a physicist who think he's certifiable and would love to get him in a chat room to discuss some of his ideas. I bet he's got some smart answers though. Would be a fascinating discussion because no one has really dismantled the TMO cosmology as expertly as it needs, Victor Stenger's book took ideas like that generally, there wasn't the specialised language that the TMO uses so you might even thing it wasn't relevant to us. Vic and Hagelin would have been a good debate. Bit late now... As with all new theories, the proponent has to show why the old one is wrong or where it can't explain something newly discovered. Basically, what is this unified field theory of consciousness for? What does it add to our description of the universe that is lacking in current models. It seems to me like its tacked onto valid ideas without explaining why they aren't as good without it. Are we really stuck without it? ---salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : But that's the problem, I can't accept that the universe is based on consciousness. I don't disbelieve it I just can't see the point as yet, is it necessary and how does it leave everything else that we really do know something about like evolution or thermodynamics? Why does the universe seem such a hostile and random place if it's all based on consciousness. I don't know what it might mean or how it got going. It seems to add a huge layer of complexity (God) where all anyone wants is simplicity. I think the whole idea needs a bit more work. Let's say that brain is the hardware and mind is the software. It's the bio-electrical impulses that bring it to life. Non-localised Consciousness might be like that electricity or the glue holding the universe together at the most fundamental level. The laws of nature seem to function on an automated, mechanical, impersonal intelligence. Carl Sagan says that the universe is neither hostile nor benign, it's merely indifferent. Evolutionary biologists say that evolution is partially deterministic and partially random. There seems to be a deterministic pattern a broad set of rules, and yet within that broad framework a lot of randomness plays out. It's not 100% percent random as you think. There seems to a perfect balance between Order and Chaos. On very large scales there seems to such an eerie Order in the universe. Billions of galaxies form filaments. The universe on that scale looks like a neural network. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its easy to see how his former colleagues are embarrassed for him when they see him spouting this pie in the sky trash. If more people took to heart the writings of Victor Stenger instead of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Barry Wright?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/30/2014 03:17 PM, wayback71@... mailto:wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Glad you are still here. I too have taken long stretches of time off from FFL. You might enjoy The 100 foot Journey with Helen Mirren. Fluff but charming. Movie attendance in the US has been way way down this summer. Much of the best stuff is on TV. Here in the US a really big issue these days in medical marijuana, its uses, which states allow it and in what manner. Another tidbit, financial planners are now routinely telling people to expect to have to make their savings last til age 95. Conservative planners use age 100, especially for younger people. A new and longer life span, and the need to save more and retire later. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : So how many millions or billions (given future inflation) do they have to save up? You need several million dollars to comfortably retire these days. I think some of the financial planners may be living on another planet. They are certainly not very realistic about how much income one can make and save. Maybe they're smoking some of that medical marijuana? ;-) It's important to draw a line of distinction between 'pro-market policies' and 'pro-business' policies. Pro-market policies create a level playing field, favors merit,and generate actual wealth. Pro-business policies favor only a few big business houses, it leads to corruption, inequalities in wealth, leads to crony capitalism. Pro-business policies lead to 'centralized state capitalism' Richard Wolf states that 'Centralised state Capitalism' is as bad as 'Centralised state Socialism' On the other hand, 'De-centralised non-state Socialism' can exist along with 'De-centralised non-state Capitalism' Cooperative entities exist, side by side with corporate entities. Even Ayn Rand wouldn't have approved of 'pro-business policies' https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-x... https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 View on m.ak.fbcdn.net https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10336604_10152572346297254_568679281787782448_n.jpg?oh=ecb8f198577839f3f50008b8da6ccad5oe=5470E71E__gda__=1416503841_6d1a37259665fb4410cbeecc401a60e5 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Gullible Fools We Were
Is Judy really dead? The last mail I sent her was in January and I got a reply. I think Rick or Alex should know her phone number. --- Sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote : Many people balked at the TM-SIdhis and the movement splintered to some extent at that point. Some people balked at the puja being required and ACEM grew out of that. They've even started publishing studies on ACEM meditation. As far Judy? I've corresponded with her occasionally via email over the years and she's always answered back until my last email which I sent out a couple of weeks ago. Her presence on the web has never been very large, and the last webpage I can find that mentions her is months and months (years?) out of date. But my emails haven't started bouncing back to me yet, so perhaps she's still around or perhaps the account is of the type that persists indefinitely, such as yahoo.com or gmail accounts. L --- Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh. And as long as I'm riffing: Ya know, I think it's a fucking shame that we don't give two shits about Judy who may be dead in her apartment somewhere, but we don't -- after a decade -- know her phone number. This is the TMO -- taught us to suspect everyone as non-enlightened and unworthy -- to avoid intimacy -- while elevating Fat Fuck, Egg-head Fuck and Raja Fucks on golden pedestals. Signed, Edward Fucking William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- come at you TMO fuckers -- take me on for slander -- I'm in the phone book and y'all is insane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Gullible Fools We Were
-- mjackson74@... wrote : ... a lot of gullible people said Well, Marshy is enlightened so it must be true and he is so focused on science he couldn't say this if it wasn't true. Good points Xeno, but the fundamental point is that even the most enlightened Guru ever, is only a sign-post, pointing towards the path. Imagine you are driving to NewYork and on the way, you come across a board or sign post that says, NewYork - 30 miles. You continue to travel past that sign-post to your destination. You don't cling to that board or post, thinking that you have arrived. A lot of seekers indeed fall into this pitfall. They idolize or hero-worship the master, or put them on a pedestal. The result is disaster for the seeker. I squarely put the blame on Maharishi for all the shit that happened in the TM movement. He built a cult around himself rather that gently direct the seeker. Robin still blathers about MMY inspite rejecting him, which all too well is a case of focussing on the personality of MMY rather than the path itself. --- anartaxius@... wrote : This seems to have been the running paradigm about serving in the movement, reinforced by M saying things like 'The pure level of consciousness becomes stabilized in our awareness, and when that pure level – the state of least excitation – is a living reality even during daily activity, this is the state of enlightenment. This is life free from suffering, life when every thought and action is spontaneously correct'. It was implied that he, M, was living this state, though I do not believe he ever said he was, his followers filled in the implication. This is actually true, that action is in accord with the laws of the universe, but just how it is true is misconstrued in the state of 'ignorance'. Every thought and action is always exactly as it is, absolute, and in accord with the assumed laws of the universe, whatever they may be, so everyone's actions are actually in accord with life and spontaneous and correct; it is only in the mind that this can be construed to not be so. Thus even the most horrible things that can happen are spontaneously 'correct' for they can be no other way. Think of ISIS. This does not mean we will sit by in phoney bliss pretence and allow things like ISIS does go by without consequences. Even M said at one point when asked how deep bad thoughts go, he said they are 'rotten to the core'. However the followers of M deluded themselves into thinking what they did was in the service of M instead of life as a whole, which would have worked out better if M had not fallen off the behavioural wagon and misused his gifts and position for less than auspicious ends. You surrender your fictional, individual self to the larger world of life, which presumably a guru represents, but you have to watch the guru, you have to have some discrimination to tell if the guru is really in alignment with the principles they espouse, because at this point you will not see how spontaneous action and thought function in the world; if you can do this well, a guru can help you progress in spite of their being corruptible, and if you cannot, you will be in a sorry state indeed. Every realised being still has a flawed human mind; there is always the chance some event will knock them off track, even though that fall is perfectly in accord with the way the universe functions. This is why you find such behavioural prohibitions and channels in religions, to compensate for this perfect flawed potential, not that it ever works very well or at all in some cases. As we see, religions have a horrible morality record. This is because corruption and incorruption emerge, balanced, from the same source, and imbalance in the mind. If you like goodness, you cannot have it without an equal dose of evil; they will fluctuate back and forth. Sam Harris' book Waking Up, A Guide to Spirituality without Religion will be out next month. This should be interesting. Harris published the first chapter on his website, and he seems confident that it is possible to take spirituality out of the province of religion and put it in a fully rational and scientific venue, stripping out the superstition. M and his the movement took a stab at doing this, but never really succeeded and fell back into its Hindu roots either by fault or by design. To quote Harris: Authors who attempt to build a bridge between science and spirituality tend to make one of two mistakes: Scientists generally start with an impoverished view of spiritual experience, assuming that it must be a grandiose way of describing ordinary states of mind— parental love, artistic inspiration, awe at the beauty of the night sky. In this vein, one finds Einstein’s amazement at the intelligibility of Nature’s laws described as though it were a kind of mystical insight. New Age thinkers usually enter the ditch on the other side of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry
The shastras and hindu philosophy clearly state that Siddhis are by-products of sadhana. They are never the main goal and one must never aspire for them. The Bhagavad Gita basicaly state that there are two types of actions. Sreyas and Preyas. Sreyas is an action that is difficult to perform now, but brings rewards later. Preyas is an action that is easy to perform now, but brings suffering later. The Bhagavad Gita also states that there are basicaly two types of attachments. Raagam and Dwesham. Raagam is positive attachment (attraction). Dwesham is negative attachment (repulsion). The mind keeps occilating between them. The hindu Shastras basicaly gives two lists, a 'white list' and a 'black list'. Yamas is whitelist, list of moral obligations. These are things one must mandatorialy. Niyamas is blacklist, list of ethical restrictions. One must never under any circumstances do those deeds. The two lists combine to form Yoga. In ancient hindu texts 3000 or 4000 years ago, there were basicaly two paths, Gyana yoga and karma yoga. Bhakthi was seen as something essential for all paths and all types of yoga. All paths begin with bhakthi yoga. Bhakthi starts with prem, a love for the divine. --- noozguru@... wrote : The first one is a Vashikaran siddhi. So that means that all the TM-Sidhi folks are Vamacharis. :-D On 08/23/2014 09:28 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am ticked off that I didn't get the one from understanding the language of animals Friendliness To develop friendliness Compassion To develop compassion Happiness To develop happiness The Strength of an Elephant To develop superhuman strength The Bronchial Tube To develop calmness The Trachea To develop control of hunger and thirst The Navel To develop knowledge of the body On Soma so that Soma Flows Everywhere To develop the flow of soma The Coronal Light To see sidhas Inner Light To develop knowledge of things hidden from view The Sun to develop knowledge of cosmic visions (lokas) The Moon To develop knowledge of arrangement of stars The Pole Star To develop knowledge of motion of stars The Three-fold Parinamas (or Changes) To develop knowledge of past and future The Heart To develop knowledge of the mind The Appearance of the Body To develop invisiibility Word...Object Implied...the Idea Thereof Overlapping To develop knowledge of language of animals and all beings The Conquering of the Vital Force Samana To develop effulgence The Distinction Between Buddhi Purusha To develop discriminative enlightenment Purusha Intuition To develop prescience PurushaDivine Hearing To develop clairaudience PurushaDivine Touch To develop divine touch PurushaDivine Sight To develop divine sight PurushaDivine Taste To develop divine taste PurushaDivine Smell To develop divine smell On Relationship of Body and AkashaLightness of Cotton Fiber To develop levitation Soma, Soma, Soma To develop soma and smooth unstressing Rest in Shavasana 15 min or longer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry
The shastras and hindu philosophy clearly state that Siddhis are by-products of sadhana. They are never the main goal and one must never aspire for them. The Bhagavad Gita basicaly state that there are two types of actions. Sreyas and Preyas. Sreyas is an action that is difficult to perform now, but brings rewards later. Preyas is an action that is easy to perform now, but brings suffering later. The Bhagavad Gita also states that there are basicaly two types of attachments. Raagam and Dwesham. Raagam is positive attachment (attraction). Dwesham is negative attachment (repulsion). The mind keeps occilating between them. The hindu Shastras basicaly gives two lists, a 'white list' and a 'black list'. Yamas is whitelist, list of moral obligations. These are things one must mandatorialy. Niyamas is blacklist, list of ethical restrictions. One must never under any circumstances do those deeds. The two lists combine to form Yoga. In ancient hindu texts 3000 or 4000 years ago, there were basicaly two paths, Gyana yoga and karma yoga. Bhakthi was seen as something essential for all paths and all types of yoga. All paths begin with bhakthi yoga. Bhakthi starts with prem, a love for the divine. --- noozguru@... wrote : The first one is a Vashikaran siddhi. So that means that all the TM-Sidhi folks are Vamacharis. :-D On 08/23/2014 09:28 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am ticked off that I didn't get the one from understanding the language of animals Friendliness To develop friendliness Compassion To develop compassion Happiness To develop happiness The Strength of an Elephant To develop superhuman strength The Bronchial Tube To develop calmness The Trachea To develop control of hunger and thirst The Navel To develop knowledge of the body On Soma so that Soma Flows Everywhere To develop the flow of soma The Coronal Light To see sidhas Inner Light To develop knowledge of things hidden from view The Sun to develop knowledge of cosmic visions (lokas) The Moon To develop knowledge of arrangement of stars The Pole Star To develop knowledge of motion of stars The Three-fold Parinamas (or Changes) To develop knowledge of past and future The Heart To develop knowledge of the mind The Appearance of the Body To develop invisiibility Word...Object Implied...the Idea Thereof Overlapping To develop knowledge of language of animals and all beings The Conquering of the Vital Force Samana To develop effulgence The Distinction Between Buddhi Purusha To develop discriminative enlightenment Purusha Intuition To develop prescience PurushaDivine Hearing To develop clairaudience PurushaDivine Touch To develop divine touch PurushaDivine Sight To develop divine sight PurushaDivine Taste To develop divine taste PurushaDivine Smell To develop divine smell On Relationship of Body and AkashaLightness of Cotton Fiber To develop levitation Soma, Soma, Soma To develop soma and smooth unstressing Rest in Shavasana 15 min or longer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry
I think Judy, or emptybill or WillyTex can do that. Where is Judy when I need her? ---Danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Hey Jedi,Good job. Can you put that in a Jewish Framework for the rest of us? Thanks in advance. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : The shastras and hindu philosophy clearly state that Siddhis are by-products of sadhana. They are never the main goal and one must never aspire for them. The Bhagavad Gita basicaly state that there are two types of actions. Sreyas and Preyas. Sreyas is an action that is difficult to perform now, but brings rewards later. Preyas is an action that is easy to perform now, but brings suffering later. The Bhagavad Gita also states that there are basicaly two types of attachments. Raagam and Dwesham. Raagam is positive attachment (attraction). Dwesham is negative attachment (repulsion). The mind keeps occilating between them. The hindu Shastras basicaly gives two lists, a 'white list' and a 'black list'. Yamas is whitelist, list of moral obligations. These are things one must mandatorialy. Niyamas is blacklist, list of ethical restrictions. One must never under any circumstances do those deeds. The two lists combine to form Yoga. In ancient hindu texts 3000 or 4000 years ago, there were basicaly two paths, Gyana yoga and karma yoga. Bhakthi was seen as something essential for all paths and all types of yoga. All paths begin with bhakthi yoga. Bhakthi starts with prem, a love for the divine. --- noozguru@... wrote : The first one is a Vashikaran siddhi. So that means that all the TM-Sidhi folks are Vamacharis. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Leg Bone Found on Mars?
Female circumcision is a crime against humanity and nature. If a religion acts like a bitch, it's that religion's problem and it should be scrapped out. Along with human sacrifice, foot binding, sati, slavery, it's a parasitic meme that has persisted along for centuries. The funny part of this is that, there are millions of stupid women who also believe in this shit and go along with this shit. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Bhairitu, If the ISIS militants ever take over the world, they will deny that humans have ever set foot on the Moon, or have sent rovers to Mars. The world will return to the Dark Ages. In the meantime, Obama and his generals would have something to say about that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There supposedly are all kinds of things they've found on Mars and on the Moon they won't report because of the Brookings Institute study that was done back in the middle of the last century when space exploration was started. They concluded that revealing such things could give rise to social and religious unrest. Of course we know now there is no such thing as religious unrest. :-D On 08/21/2014 09:19 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What do you think? http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0 http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alternative Therapy
Scientists are investigating a new group of substance called antimicrobial peptides. If two or three peptides are used simultaneously, pathogens cannot develop resistance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_peptides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_peptides Scientists say that we could be heading towards a 'post antibiotic' era, where diseases that once killed, will once again start killing. --- sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, you wrote that the wonder of science is that it's fallible and improving all the time. I agree simply because I think that's true of everything and everyone on our planet. AND, I think science has become corrupt and almost irrelevant, the latter mainly because it moves so slowly. In these days of ever speedy change, the systems that survive are the ones that can provide solutions quickly. As an example, I point to the ebola crisis. People are dying while science is bogged down, not only in its own machinations, but in the rusty gears of politics and economics. On Friday, August 22, 2014 2:13 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/21/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/21/2014 10:09 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Doesn't your Royal Family use homeopathy? Oh well, it must be true then. I suppose wearing a crown makes you immune from errors of reasoning. Well, I was kidding you, of course. Even Turq once disagreed with Curtis anti-homeopathic stance because he had actually found a homeopathic substance useful. There's something to the science even if it twiddles the mind of a high school trained scientist. That's the point, there is nothing to the science. That's why we do science, to work out what's real from what isn't, there's nothing like blind testing to give the lie to dodgy claims. Like we did with astrology and all sorts of other nonsense. Check the periodic table posted by MJ earlier for details. :-D Problem is the naysayers are often reviewing a movie without having seen it. These ideas sound wacky to them until the white coats adopt it for their mainstream medicine (as has happened with some of ayurveda). = You actually can get homeopathy on the National Health in the UK but there is a campaign to stop it as using tax payers money to fund something you can demonstrate is ineffective when there are so many people with health problems that simply drinking water given to you by someone friendly won't cure, the money should go to effective and tested treatments. = I would say that until something is tested it shouldn't be described as medicine (this happens here anyway) if ayurvedic treatments survive double blind tests then yes, they should be included in public health programmes. But as it is it's not a system of knowledge but a set of folk beliefs, some of which are known to be seriously dangerous. Testing is expensive though so I fall back on my trusty old maxim: try ayurveda until there is something wrong with you, then go see a proper doctor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 90% useless?
Recent research in genetics clearly indicate that about 8% percent of the human genome and mammalian genome was inserted into us by viruses, over the course of millions of years. Lateral gene tranfer takes place about 15% percent of the time in higher order lifeforms and happens all the time in microbes. The fact that 8% percent of our genome is actually viral DNA, should effectively kill 'personalistic theism' and classical theism. Judy may not agree -:) http://www.uta.edu/ucomm/mediarelations/press/2010/01/ genome-biologist-reports.php http://www.uta.edu/ucomm/mediarelations/press/2010/01/genome-biologist-reports.php --- Salyawin no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : And amongst other design faults; why is it that only humans and guinea pigs can't synthesise vitamin C in their bodies? Shoddy workmanship I call it Less than 10% of human DNA has functional role, claim scientists http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jul/24/10-percent-human-dna-functional-genome-biological-baggage http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jul/24/10-percent-human-dna-functional-genome-biological-baggage Less than 10% of human DNA has functional role, claim sc... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jul/24/10-percent-human-dna-functional-genome-biological-baggage Large stretches may be no more than biological baggage, say researchers after comparing genome with that of other mammals View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jul/24/10-percent-human-dna-functional-genome-biological-baggage Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
Had time only for this drive by. I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. The Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. I have read and heard many attempts at a systematic account of it, from materialism and theosophy to the Christian system or that of Kant, and I have always felt that they were much too simple. I suspect that there are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamed of, or can be dreamed of, in any philosophy. That is the reason why I have no philosophy myself. ~ J. B. S. Haldane, (British geneticist and evolutionary biologist) in Possible Worlds The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine. ~ Arthur Stanley Eddington (astrophysicist and astronomer) Take care Share, I'll drop in a few weeks later. On 6/21/2014 10:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: In Plato's allegory of the cave, the shadows cast on the wall are illusions. When you leave the cave you can see the light of the sun, that is, illumination. The light of the sun is analogous to the Light of Gnosis, Transcendental Knowledge. Thus in Plato's allegory there is a dualism - the shadow world and the world of forms, which lie behind the appearance of the shadow world. The shadows are similar to the illusion cast by maya and the Light is the Absolute. Apparently, Plato drank deep at Indian wells. Go figure. We know Plato mainly through his description of the Forms and with the Allegory of the Cave a very powerful metaphor. As you may recall, Plato's allegory of the cave consists of a description of men and women who sit inside a cave facing a wall with a fire burning behind them. As they sit, they see shadows on the wall as forms pass between the fire and the wall. ALL the people look at the shadows, which they take to be the Real. What is this theory of forms? First, it is an answer to the challenge posed by the twin hypothesis that everything changes and that nothing does - that there must be an unchanging form if anything is to change at all. According to Plato, we must already know a great deal that we cannot wholly describe. This being so, maybe the comic anecdote about Thales was correct: Watching the sky he fell into a well; or perhaps he prognosticated a bumper crop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:59 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/20/2014 7:38 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, it is similar to the difference between a person being asleep or awake - all energy in either potential, or active form. Even more intriguing to me, is the idea of detectable, but unobservable, 'dark matter', which is supposed to account for far more of the universe's energy, than the manifested bits we can see. In a sense we are all asleep - no one can see the totality of existence. We are awake most of the time but we can only perceive a very small part of the universe with the human eye or even with instruments. And, there seems to be a parallel universe inside our own minds that we can only get glimpses of. It may be that there is dark matter out there in the universe, but there could also be dark matter in our own brains. The universe out there may just be a shadow of what's inside our own minds. The 'shadow' is something the Perennial Philosophy of the world's great religions NEVER knew about. No mystical literature or scripture from any of the world's religions (both great and small) even realized human beings could and did hide significant aspects of their being and project them outward so as not to be seen... - T. J. Melody 'No Boundary: Eastern and Western Approaches to Personal Growth' by Ken Wilber Shambhala, 1979 Amazon review: http://tinyurl.com/plbuc96 On 6/20/2014 9:43 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, There's a story in the Srimad Bhagavatam stating that when Vishnu was sleeping in the causal ocean he would breathe out an infinite number of universes. And when he breathes in, all of the universes are annihilated as they enter his body. The cycle repeats until he wakes up. According to the Bhagwatam although Lord Vishnu *appears* to be a part of creation (prakriti) He is really existing in the *transcendental* field outside of space-time. That's why He is called the 'Transcendental Person.' This is a very subtle cosmology - Lord Krishna as an emanation of Vishnu is totally separate from the prakriti, but yet He *appears* to 'come down to earth', but in reality, He always remains the Transcendent. Vaishnavism is based on the Upanishads - all the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists. I'm assuming that when he awakes he would be conversing with Laksmi, his consort, and that creation stops temporarily until he falls asleep
