[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
 
  Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your
  Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild
  psychosis.
 
 Unethical *in the extreme* for a mental health
 professional to publically attempt a diagnosis
 of psychopathology via someone's posts on a Web
 forum, *especially* as a putdown.
 
 And that's what it was, a putdown. If Peter had
 been seriously concerned for the person's mental
 health, he could have communicated with him
 privately.
 
 This is utterly inexcusable.

Please remember that petersutphen is a professional phcycological 
ass. Perhaps an assistent of some sort ? Any reference to bodyparts 
would be rude. Anyways he is fond of labeling people that he has 
never met or hardly read.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  Lurk,
  I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?)  posting here?  He was 
a 
 very
   interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew.  What 
 posts
   can you direct me to?  I would like to read his perspective on 
his
   movement life if he posted it.
  
  Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into 
the 
  higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings.  So, he 
  always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard.  His 
 handle 
  was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories 
to 
  share about his personal life.  He also served well as a reality 
  check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, 
  political or otherwise.  Perhaps it was in this regard that he 
ran 
  into interference with Judy.  
  
  I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL 
 for 
  some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy 
comes 
 with 
  her game face on.  Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter 
side, 
  (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the 
discussion 
 can 
  pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun.
  
  lurk
  
 What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to 
 play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen 
 her hound someone into responding.:-)

If someone can't stand her piercing intellect so be it. I enjoy her 
tearing inaccurasies to pieces. My vote is for the AMT-gang to 
retire home, but Judy should stay here. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya ain't the only one getting his instructions fro...

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 [...]
  
  What do the Jews say in the Talmud?
 
 
 http://www.libchrist.com/other/abortion/exodus.html
 
 [...]
 
 Theologian Millard Erickson notes that in this view, the lex 
talionis [life for life] is applied 
 only if the mother is harmed. On this basis it is concluded that 
the fetus was not 
 considered a soul or a person, and thus is not to be thought of as 
fully human. Millard 
 Erickson, Christian Theology (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 
1985), p. 555.
 
 Further related to the abortion argument there are many other bible 
passages that are 
 more clearly about abortion and never a word about it being wrong.
 
 Since the passage is in the OT, the Jewish view is also of some 
value to evaluate the 
 passage:
 
 Jerome's Commentary, a highly respected source explains: If a 
pregnant women should 
 suffer a miscarriage as a result of a blow, the guilty party need 
only make a monetary 
 compensation demanded by her husband; however should the woman die, 
capital 
 punishment is proscribed for the offender. This is confirmed by 
the Jewish teachings that 
 abortion is never considered murder. If the fetus had been 
considered an independent 
 entity, there would have been an life for a life penalty for murder.
 
 The Talmud says that a fetus is its mothers thigh (Hulin 58a and 
Gittin 23b), and it has no 
 legal rights. Even once the birth process starts the fetus can be 
destroyed to save the 
 women from physical or mental harm. In order for a fetus to be 
considered a nefesh adam 
 (a living person), its head must have emerged from the birth canal. 
Sanhedrin 72b states: 
 it (the fetus) is not a person and therefore its life is inferior 
to its mothers life.
 
 If it was a live birth the verse would have said something 
like Tinoch ha' nolad. tinoch 
 being the word for baby or infant. The verse HAS ALWAYS been 
translated by the Jews to 
 mean miscarriage.
 
 Another more direct abortion example in the Sanhedrin is a 
discussion of what to do with 
 a pregnant women who has been sentenced to death. They conclude she 
should be beat 
 on the stomach prior to the execution; thereby preventing her from 
going into labor. It 
 makes no difference how far along she is, the fetus dies with the 
mother. I cite this 
 Halacha because it puts the status of the fetus into a Halachic 
perspective. Even if it could 
 be viable it has no rights unto itself. - Norman Slurzberg
 
 In Exodus the lost fetus was a property offense only. The fine was 
required since it 
 deprived the Husband the property rights and value of a future 
child (to work in fields if 
 boy, or marriage price if girl). Since no life taken, no life for a 
life penalty only to 
 compensate husband for potential property loss.
 
 Many get caught up in fetal envy emotions and think abortion is 
terrible and they assume 
 God feels the same way. However, the Bible does not back them up. 
What they are doing is 
 projecting their own personal belief systems onto God and then 
claiming Him as an 
 authority to promote THEIR beliefs, not the original Word of God.

When asked about abortion Maharishi said it was like burning down an 
empty house. Reffering to, I suppose, that the soul had not yet 
entered the fetus at that point, so the fetus is empty




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[FairfieldLife] Re: America adrift by the Master--, through Benjamin Creme, dec. 2004

[nablus108]

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  It doesn't take a disincarnate Master to tell us
  what is rather self-evident to many, many people in
  the US.

1) If it is evident, why don't you/the americans do something about 
it ?

2) From where do you have the information that Cremes Master is not 
in incarnation ?
 
 Tis true.  But he puts it rather succintly, me thinks.
 
 lurk
  
  --- nablus108 nablus108@ wrote:
  
   America adrift
   by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme 
   
   It is only a matter of time before the people of the
   United States 
   realize that they have made a grievous mistake. They
   have 
   reinstated, albeit with the aid of many stolen
   votes, a man and 
   administration dedicated to the creation of division
   and hatred, 
   both nationally and internationally. 
   They will ruefully watch an attack on their proudly
   held freedoms; 
   they will see a steep decline in their standard of
   living as the 
   government, of necessity, strives to tackle their
   enormous debts; 
   they will witness a loss of confidence in their
   currency and a sharp 
   reversal of trade with their traditional trading
   partners. The 
   calamitous invasion of Iraq will continue to fester,
   both in Iraq 
   and elsewhere in the world. Reacting to the fear and
   hatred which 
   this administration has engendered almost
   universally, the tendency 
   will be for the people to look inwards, and to turn
   their backs even 
   more squarely on the world. 
   
   Illusion 
   A major problem in dealing with this administration
   is the powerful 
   illusion under which it works: that it is
   God-inspired and so in 
   divine Grace, helping to restore the Christian world
   and message to 
   its former power and glory. Thus has the USA taken a
   huge step 
   backwards, isolating itself from the true concerns
   of much of the 
   world: environmental pollution and the demands of a
   planet suffering 
   under the strain of impending disaster. 
   The United States will find that the world will not
   stand still. 
   With or without American co-operation the nations
   will proceed as 
   best they can to deal with the many ecological and
   social problems 
   which beset us, and which so urgently must be
   addressed. America 
   will find itself left behind and ignored, and only
   then will it be 
   prepared to `lead' the way. 
   
   Rhetoric
   This administration is, even now, relishing its
   victory, and 
   weighing the pros and cons of subsequent action.
   Thwarted and taken 
   unawares by events in Iraq, it must pause awhile
   before considering 
   further violence. But the bravado and rhetoric will
   doubtless 
   continue, hoping to bully and conquer by threats
   alone. Meanwhile, 
   great changes in many countries are under way,
   leading to a profound 
   shift in the balance of power in the world. China
   and India, South 
   America and Russia, are finding their feet and
   economic potential. 
   Africa is beginning to receive, at last, the concern
   and goodwill of 
   powerful governments and agencies, and can look
   forward to better 
   times.
   Thus the world is turning away from the dominance of
   American power 
   and wealth, and charting another path to fulfil its
   destiny.
   If the United States insists on its right of
   unilateral action, it 
   will find itself neglected and ignored in
   international plans and 
   projects, its economy will further decay, and its
   people will lose 
   confidence and trust in government action. Without
   friends, and with 
   ebbing strength, it will be forced to change, and to
   renew dialogue 
   with its former friends.
   The emergence of Maitreya will speed the process of
   this 
   transformation and assure its welcome completion.
   
   http://shareintl.org
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: THE BARRY AND JUDY SHOW

[nablus108]

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wrote:
 
 After seeing the url referenced in this last post of Judy's, I was 
 amazed to see that you two have been trying each other's identities 
in 
 the court of public opinion for years! At least three. That's over 
a 
 thousand days! 
 
 So several things occur to me:
 
 1. Both of you have spent countless hours focusing on one another, 
and 
 yet it is for the purpose of insulting one another, and exposing 
each 
 other's faults.
 2. Both of you have a need to play out this drama publicly, in an 
 exhibitionist manner.
 3. Neither of you has a 'significant other' outside of these forums.
 4. No conclusions are ever reached, nor minds changed, in either of 
 you by this constant back and forth.
 
 So it appears to be THE BARRY AND JUDY SHOW that you are both 
putting 
 on for you own benefit. You both appear to strongly desire 
attention 
 and enjoy this ongoing spectacle as an addiction. What need all of 
 this fulfills for each of you I don't know. The attention garnered 
 from all of us, and the constant insults are the consistent 
elements.

Jim, use your ritam; they are the same person, no ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM vs Buddhist meditation EEG

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  This is your brain on TM. Look at figure 2, page 10:
  
  
 
http://brainresearchinstitute.org/research/totalbrain/TMsynch_Signal
Pr
 oc05_Hebert.pdf
  
  This is your brain doing one of the Buddhist meditation 
techniques. 
 Clearly a difference, 
  though what it means is anyone's guess at this point:
 
 
 Fred Travis says that the Budddhist one shows a lot of effort in 
the 
 barin, but that the TM one shows effortlessness, and he stated 
that he 
 thought that that was the important point about TM. It is easy, 
and 
 very immediate? I am not saying he must be right, just relaying 
what I 
 heard him say in a lecture on the TM and Buddhist studies.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
  
  http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/46/16369/FIG1


In general, the Buddhists are straining. Just take a look at their 
faces. Or the writings of Vaj on this forum :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: America adrift by the Master--, through Benjamin Creme, dec. 2004

[nablus108]

  Thus the world is turning away from the dominance of American 
power
  and wealth, and charting another path to fulfil its destiny.
  If the United States insists on its right of unilateral action, 
it
  will find itself neglected and ignored in international plans and
  projects, its economy will further decay, and its people will 
lose
  confidence and trust in government action. Without friends, and 
with
  ebbing strength, it will be forced to change, and to renew 
dialogue
  with its former friends.
  The emergence of Maitreya will speed the process of this
  transformation and assure its welcome completion.
 
  http://shareintl.org
 
 And I thought love knows no boundries.


Your point being ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: An interview with Kucinich from Share International Magazine

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 Peace is possible, peace is inevitable 
An interview with US Congressman Dennis Kucinich 

by Monte Leach 

US Representative Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat from Ohio, first came 
to US national prominence in 1977 when he was elected mayor of 
Cleveland at age 31, the youngest person ever elected to lead a 
major American city. In 1978, Cleveland's banks demanded that he 
sell the city's municipally-owned electric power system to a 
privately-owned utility company as a precondition of extending 
credit to city government. Kucinich refused to sell, and in an 
incident unprecedented in American politics, the Cleveland banks 
plunged the city into default for a mere $15 million. Kucinich lost 
his re-election bid in 1979, but 15 years later won election to the 
Ohio Senate on the strength of the expansion of Cleveland's 
electricity system which provides low-cost power to almost half the 
residents of the city. In 1998, the Cleveland City Council honoured 
him for having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the 
city's municipal electric system. 

As a US Congressman, Kucinich led Congressional opposition to the 
2003 war in Iraq. In his current campaign for the US Presidency, he 
combines a powerful activism with a spiritual sense of the essential 
interconnectedness of living things. Kucinich's world view carries 
with it a passionate commitment to public service, peace, human 
rights and the environment. 

Share International: Peace and justice issues are central to your 
presidential campaign and your entire political approach. Why have 
you chosen those areas to focus on? 

Dennis Kucinich: All of us have a purpose in life that relates to 
trying to affirm the society in which we live. We do it in different 
ways. Some of us are doctors, lawyers, architects, teachers, 
mothers, fathers, municipal workers, bakers, waiters. All of us have 
a place and aspire to more and more possibilities. For myself, I 
have felt a commitment to social and economic justice from an early 
age. When we see the possibilities of life, reflected in our own 
life, the quest for peace in the external world has to be preceded 
by a quest for peace in one's internal world. Having had the 
opportunity for such an activity in my own life, I understand that 
peace is possible, peace is inevitable, if we work towards it. 

To share my understanding, my learning, which we all do with respect 
to our own experience, is a great joy. To work towards it in our own 
governmental structures is an important responsibility which I've 
undertaken because I believe we can create a more peaceful society, 
and certainly peace and justice go hand in hand. My commitment comes 
from an understanding of purpose, and a belief that one person can 
make a difference, and indeed each one of us can make a difference. 
Each person should consider carefully what we can do, in our own 
lives, to try to expand the potential of our own humanity. What can 
we do, each of us in our own lives, to each day reach a little bit 
higher and embrace more possibilities, to send more love into the 
world, and try to bring our talents and abilities to bear in each 
moment. There are such possibilities for creativity in our world. 
They all begin within us. We just have to have the confidence within 
ourselves, and in our ability to make a difference. 

SI: You referred to some of them, but are there spiritual or 
religious ideals or principles that guide you in your approach to 
life and politics? 

DK: My view of the world is a holistic one. I view the world as 
being interconnected and interdependent. All things have a way of 
expressing their identity through one powerful immanent reality. As 
each one of us makes a choice, that choice impacts the world. We can 
then come to a realization of the power that each individual has, 
and the tremendous expressiveness and potential of our existence. 
The principles that animate my life and involvement have to do with 
this understanding of the essential interconnectedness of all 
humanity. Therefore, we should be aware that we affect others in the 
choices that we make. We affect not only other people, we affect 
other species as well. So we must take care to be respectful of this 
planet and of all those who participate in the life of this planet. 

SI: How did you arrive at such a profound view of the world? Was it 
a particular experience that you had, or did your views evolve over 
time? 

DK: My views are consistent with the strains of thinking that 
created this nation, the thoughts about human liberty of Thomas 
Jefferson, the American Transcendental movement, the English 
Romantic poets, certainly my own connection to Catholicism, but 
beyond that, to all religions. All this results in a kind of 
synthesis, leading to a world view of the possibilities of human 
unity and human potential. 

SI: What are your views regarding the role and importance of the 
United Nations and its various agencies in the world today? 

[FairfieldLife] America adrift by the Master--, through Benjamin Creme, dec. 2004

[nablus108]

America adrift
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme 

It is only a matter of time before the people of the United States 
realize that they have made a grievous mistake. They have 
reinstated, albeit with the aid of many stolen votes, a man and 
administration dedicated to the creation of division and hatred, 
both nationally and internationally. 
They will ruefully watch an attack on their proudly held freedoms; 
they will see a steep decline in their standard of living as the 
government, of necessity, strives to tackle their enormous debts; 
they will witness a loss of confidence in their currency and a sharp 
reversal of trade with their traditional trading partners. The 
calamitous invasion of Iraq will continue to fester, both in Iraq 
and elsewhere in the world. Reacting to the fear and hatred which 
this administration has engendered almost universally, the tendency 
will be for the people to look inwards, and to turn their backs even 
more squarely on the world. 

Illusion 
A major problem in dealing with this administration is the powerful 
illusion under which it works: that it is God-inspired and so in 
divine Grace, helping to restore the Christian world and message to 
its former power and glory. Thus has the USA taken a huge step 
backwards, isolating itself from the true concerns of much of the 
world: environmental pollution and the demands of a planet suffering 
under the strain of impending disaster. 
The United States will find that the world will not stand still. 
With or without American co-operation the nations will proceed as 
best they can to deal with the many ecological and social problems 
which beset us, and which so urgently must be addressed. America 
will find itself left behind and ignored, and only then will it be 
prepared to `lead' the way. 

Rhetoric
This administration is, even now, relishing its victory, and 
weighing the pros and cons of subsequent action. Thwarted and taken 
unawares by events in Iraq, it must pause awhile before considering 
further violence. But the bravado and rhetoric will doubtless 
continue, hoping to bully and conquer by threats alone. Meanwhile, 
great changes in many countries are under way, leading to a profound 
shift in the balance of power in the world. China and India, South 
America and Russia, are finding their feet and economic potential. 
Africa is beginning to receive, at last, the concern and goodwill of 
powerful governments and agencies, and can look forward to better 
times.
Thus the world is turning away from the dominance of American power 
and wealth, and charting another path to fulfil its destiny.
If the United States insists on its right of unilateral action, it 
will find itself neglected and ignored in international plans and 
projects, its economy will further decay, and its people will lose 
confidence and trust in government action. Without friends, and with 
ebbing strength, it will be forced to change, and to renew dialogue 
with its former friends.
The emergence of Maitreya will speed the process of this 
transformation and assure its welcome completion.

http://shareintl.org





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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
   Another form of addiciton that lends itself to
   this interpretation is the anti-cult cult. In my
   experience, *most* of the leaders of this anti-
   movement movement, when they tell their personal
   stories, come to a pivotal moment for them that
   goes something like this: In meditation I got
   to a point where I lost all sense of who I was.
   This scared me so much that I never wanted that
   to happen again, so I quit meditating, and now
   I work to warn others that they might get to
   a similar place. What if the work they do as
   an anti-cult counselor is their way of not
   only avoiding full transcendence/loss of self,
   but a way to prevent others from going further
   than they dared to go?
  
  I never met anyone who did exit counseling who fits this pattern.
 
 I understand, and I applaud your good luck. :-)
 
  I don't know of any cult counselors who live in conditions that 
  could be manipulated by cult techniques. For the most part they 
  live in hotels on location trying to help families without a lot 
  of emotional support from peers.  It is a pretty tough job. 
 
 And in the past, a very lucrative one.
 
 I am *not* disputing your experience, or the counselors
 who do what they do in good faith. However, that is *not*
 how it's always been. During my time with the Rama trip,
 because Fred himself was so flamboyant, his students'
 parents became targets for the *for-profit* exit 
 counselors. I personally know three people who were
 literally kidnapped during that period, kept tied up
 in dingy motel rooms, threatened with beatings and/or
 rape, and generally subjected to coercion that was *far*
 worse than that which they were supposedly being saved
 from. All for $25,000 a pop, paid by the parents to the
 deprogrammers. 
 
 Since the demise of CAN and since a few of these slimes
 got convicted, this practice has probably been curtailed
 or ended. But it really *was* how things were done in
 the exit counselling biz for a while. Those of us who
 have friends who are *still*, decades later, trying to
 get over the post-traumatic stress of being kidnapped
 by people paid by their own parents have to balance our
 feelings about that period of exit counselling with 
 more benign stories such as the ones you mention. 
 
  As far as them being afraid of their experiences goes, I 
  can only talk about the people who came out of TM and do 
  this work.  None of them expressed this feeling.  
 
 Again, our experiences were different. I found such stories
 on several anti-cult websites, related by the counsellors
 themselves, pretty much as I related them here.
 
 I think a lot of the difference might also be that you knew
 people whose previous experience had been TM and not some
 heavier technique which can produce *very* strong experiences,
 strong enough that practitioners might have been scared by
 them. If you're not prepared for it, the period of time spent
 after a strong experience of total transcendence can be a 
 little unsettled. You keep looking for something to hang on 
 to as your self, and you can't find anything. For some 
 people, that can be equivalent to dying.
 
  The guys I knew had the normal experiences in TM but came 
  to view the meaning of those experiences differently. The 
  people I met who do this work have high levels of compassion 
  and self awareness. They believe they are restoring choice 
  to people who have lost the ability to view their 
  participation in a group and it's effects on their lives
  clearly. It has a lot in common with a spiritual breakthrough 
  when it is successful in my opinion, very liberating.
 
 You were fortunate. The two guys I testified against
 (because I witnessed the kidnapping) were ex-cons who
 had gotten into the business because at the time there
 was little likelihood of serving time for doing this kind
 of stuff, and it paid $25K a pop.
 
  I see that most people involved in spirituality on this group 
  have the same aversion to cult tactics as cult counselors. In 
  this case knowledge is power. Being against cult manipulation 
  is not an indictment of spirituality, but the abuse of people 
  in the name of spirituality. Many cult counselors still value 
  spirituality in their own lives.
 
 Pleased to hear it. I'm only filling you in on a period
 of time in which the anti-cult movement wasn't quite
 the way you portray it now.

A friend of mine on Purusha, a heir to a nice fortune, was abducted 
from Vlodrop, drugged and underwent so-called deprogramming from 
agents hired by his family. 
After a week in a logcabin he managed to escape.

His brother later told him that the operation set the family back 
with 150.000 $ This is obviously a big business. 
My Buddy just shrugged at the event calling them fools. 
And no, they where not americans :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpionland slouches toward U.S.

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
uns_tressor@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
Although Britons collectively are not yet as fat as 
Americans, 
  they 
are the fattest people in Europe. If current trends continue, 
British Medical Association says, by 2020 some 30 percent of 
  boys and 40 percent of girls here will be clinically obese.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/18/world/europe/18lunch.html
   
   Don't be so cocky, bbrigante. The trend is entirely generated 
   by American fast food. Look to yourself, punk.
   Uns.
  
  Spot on ! American culture everywhere will have to go back home 
for 
  the globe to become sane
 
 Hold on to your horses. Let's not throw the baby out with the
 bath water. Yesterday was Chuck Berry's 80th birthday.
 
 But it is true that in the 60s, there was no real problem. Then
 came Kentucky Fried Chicken, and the others followed. The real
 problem now is that these firms choose to advertise in the 
 middle of children's afternoon TV programming. And they are
 allowed to.
 Uns.

Very interesting - not. Why not just curve back to alt.med ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpionland slouches toward U.S.

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Don't be so cocky, bbrigante. The trend is entirely generated 
by American fast food. Look to yourself, punk.
   
   Spot on ! American culture everywhere will have to go back home 
for 
   the globe to become sane
  
  Hold on to your horses. Let's not throw the baby out with the
  bath water. Yesterday was Chuck Berry's 80th birthday.
 
 LOL. Isn't it fascinating that now (four decades
 after the anti-rock 'n roll hysteria) it's undoubt-
 edly done less damage to people's health than fast 
 food. :-)
 
  But it is true that in the 60s, there was no real problem. Then
  came Kentucky Fried Chicken, and the others followed. The real
  problem now is that these firms choose to advertise in the 
  middle of children's afternoon TV programming. And they are
  allowed to.
 
 And, it's the supersize me thang that encourages
 consumers not only to eat food that is fattening,
 but to *overeat* that food. I see it here all the
 time -- the French kids are suckers for getting
 a bigger portion for what seems to them not a lot
 more money. When asked whether they want the 
 regular meal or the supersaver meal, they
 almost always go for the latter -- a bigger portion
 of fries and a Coke so large I go into hypoglycemic
 shock just looking at it. And they're beginning to 
 show it. Last summer the nude beaches were not 
 nearly as pleasant an experience as they were 
 a decade ago.

That is one of the reasons american culture has to go home, 
withdraw to it's homeland; the USA. Let them enjoy that garbage.
 
The world do not need Hollywood or redicelous food chains 
corrupting kids everywhere. 

I'm not much of a fundamentalist, but when then burned those 
MacDonalds in Bangalore, it was a reminder of what is coming. And a 
reminder of the fact that the collective consciousness in India is 
indeed rising.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpionland slouches toward U.S.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Although Britons collectively are not yet as fat as Americans, 
they 
  are the fattest people in Europe. If current trends continue, the 
  British Medical Association says, by 2020 some 30 percent of boys 
and 
  40 percent of girls here will be clinically obese.
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/18/world/europe/18lunch.html
 
 Don't be so cocky, bbrigante. The trend is entirely generated 
 by American fast food. Look to yourself, punk.
 Uns.

Spot on ! American culture everywhere will have to go back home for the 
globe to become sane. And it will happen fast. It will be difficult for 
the americans as their egos will have to be dramatically adjusted, but 
it will happen. 

Heaven will walk on earth.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Steinem is a humorless bitch

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  I've never seen Stephen Colbert's show because I guess
  it's air time conflicts with my schedule.
 
 You know, Shemp, awhile back they invented something
 called the VCR.  You can set it so it tapes a program
 while you're busy with something else, and then you
 can actually watch the tape when you have time.
 
 You can get a VCR very inexpensively these days, for
 under $50.  You really should try it.

I wish Judy and Barry would mail each other directly, not bothering 
others. Your activity here is mainly junk you know Judy; junk ! 
And your junk certainly alienates newcomers to FFL big time.

What happened to the idea of setting a maximum number of post ? 

Or is the idea to make FFL the new amt ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
   steve.sundur@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
 geezerfreak@ 
wrote:

 It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.

In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think 
the 
 mantra 
clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it 
is 
 a 
   faint 
idea

lurk

   
   
   Whoa! I think I've heard the faint idea -idea only in 
connection
   with TM-siddhis
  
  
  Haven't been checked lately?
 
 
 Well, uh, some 25 years ago... And my mantra definately seems
 to work better if I pronounce the last letter rather clearly,
 as it was emphasized during my initiation by Mr J. H. 
 He said something like the last sound resembles beep,
 after he noticed, I believe, that I repeated that part of my mantra
 to him somewhat sloppily.
 So, there seems to be some problems with the mantras when the 
 sounds in them don't appear in a language at all, or in a particular
 phonotactic position, for instance at the end of a word.
 An example, sort of, might be the Japanese and Chinese. In my 
 understanding they have a hard time making any difference between 
the 
 sounds 'r' and 'l'.
 Another example could be the German word for 'I' (ich), which 
 for instance native speakers of English tend to pronounce
 like 'ik'hmmm

Disagree on that. I have heard teachers from all around the world 
pronounce Maharishis mantras, differently, with their own dialect. 
Yet they work.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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 No one said freedom was free...

What freedom ? The americans roam around the world killing hundreds of 
thousands of people. Where is the freedom in this ?
Yet they perceive themselves as civilised. What a joke. 
I think the americans are doomed. Only a boon from a great saint can 
save them, but I seriously think it is too late, they have created to 
much misery around the world. They will never learn it seems and have 
to pay for the havoc they are creating.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip 
  
  If, as you say, the WMDs were destroyed, then, pray tell, why was 
  Saddam not co-operating in letting inspectors in?  Pretty stupid on 
  his part if he didn't have any WMDs.
 
 He was saving face. It is important to Iraqi culture, as it is in 
many 
 countries. Doesn't matter- Cheney/Bush would've found literally any 
 excuse to renew the bloodshed in Iraq...

A report came out yesterday saying that 600.000 civilian iraqies have 
died as the result of the american invasion ! 
The americans has serious blood on their hands...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  snip 
   
   If, as you say, the WMDs were destroyed, then, pray tell, why 
was 
   Saddam not co-operating in letting inspectors in?  Pretty 
stupid on 
   his part if he didn't have any WMDs.
  
  He was saving face. It is important to Iraqi culture, as it is in 
many 
  countries. Doesn't matter- Cheney/Bush would've found literally 
any 
  excuse to renew the bloodshed in Iraq...
 
 
 At the very end, Saddam was doing literally everything (except 
leaving) to placate he 
 Americans. He even offered us the right to build US military bases 
in Iraq if we didn't invade.

Not only that, but Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with Al Qaida. 
(Or whatever way it is spelled :-)

Please note that the fellow on trial is a relative of Saddam, who was 
killed at the first bombing night of the capital. The White House and 
Pentagon knows this, thats why he is not given shaving equipment 
because shaving would reveal birthmarks Saddam did not have.

Please se: http://www.shareintl.org





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 snip
No one wanted to act; Bush acted.
   
   I guess you are conveniently 'forgetting' the first Gulf war, 
in 
   which Saddam's army was decimated (100K dead), WMDs detroyed, 
   sanctions imposed, and daily survelliance/bombing runs
   established over Iraq...
   
   Yeah, Bush acted...
  
  Uh, Bush wasn't even Governor of Texas then so I don't know what 
  you're referring to.
 
 Saddam was being contained; he was toothless.
 
  If, as you say, the WMDs were destroyed, then, pray tell, why 
was 
  Saddam not co-operating in letting inspectors in?  Pretty stupid 
on 
  his part if he didn't have any WMDs.
 
 He *did* let inspectors in.  Bush has lied repeatedly
 about that.

One day that black defense minister (what's his name ?) will talk the 
truth. But it will not be untill millions of civilians have died, and 
ten thousands of american troops.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 12, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Hi Rory:
 
  Would you be able to share some here on the course and what's
  been
  said?
 
  When I was attending, a very large number of course participants
  were describing Unity and at least some of the paradoxical 
qualities
  of Brahman, many on an ongoing basis. I personally have been very
  pleased with their ability to recognize me. :-) Many of them 
still
  seemed to be focussed on the particle- or experiencer-end of the
  equation, not overtly recognizing their identity with the One Mind
  whose simple thoughts *create* those experiences.  I believe a 
great
  many are at the crux-point, which MMY has been describing as the
  Lamp at the Door (between the Absolute and Relative).
 
 I always loved that metaphor, which comes from ancient collections 
of  
 sayings preserved in the Sutras of Nyaya, the dehlidipa  
 (dehalIdIpa ?), the light of the threshold which illuminates two- 
 things-at-once.
 
 
  I haven't attended the conferences directly with MMY lately, but I
  am told he is now elaborating on what I've called the Dark Night 
of
  the Soul, which he apparently is calling Durgatamas. He has
  reportedly lately been saying one has to go through Hell (the
  undivinized relative) to get to Heaven, wherein the relative
  (chandas) becomes lit with and identical to consciousness (rishi),
  turning Durgatamas into Madhachandas -- which cardemeister could
  translate better than I, but appears to be the honey-gold Heart-
  reality of the absolute relative, the Solar Angel or Brahma(n). 
It
  is a lot of fun to see him embracing and describing stuff I had to
  make up words for, or felt I had to go foraging into other
  traditions to find concepts for.
 
 This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing this. In my practice  
 tradition we call it The Mind of Near Black Attainment. That's 
the  
 first time though I'd heard of Durgatamas. Even the Kabbalist's 
have  
 methods for arriving across the abyss, into the lead-blackness of  
 binah, and they descend into daath/the abyss and emerge 
(hopefully)  
 on the other side. The Gnostic IAO can also be seen as Isis- 
 Apophis-Osiris, where this is a formula concealing easy practice  
 (Isis), death-hell-dark night and reemergence (Apophis, the  
 Destroyer), transformation, arising transfiguration/resurrection  
 (Osiris, Jesus, etc).
 
 
  For me one of the best parts of the course was and has been
  realizing on a much more profound level the *utter* spontaneity of
  the so-called siddhis (which I had/have no conscious attention on 
or
  desire for) arising as simple thoughts/profound fulfillments from
  the One Mind enjoying its own Being -- and the apparent science
  behind the precise *sequence* of those apparently-spontaneous
  thoughts. But better even than that is all the Enlightened 
company I
  am getting -- that's what is turning this place into Heaven on
  Earth :-)

These are beautiful posts from both of you. Thanks !

In a discussion in Boppard, 1982, I believe Maharishi touched upon 
this theme for the first time saying that to be established in 
Brahman, all of Nature must be lived. 

All that which is Light and all that which is Dark must be 
experienced.

There where no further questions. I think the majority listening was 
in some kind of shock hearing this, as Maharishi always emphatized 
identification with lightness, positivity.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   snip 

If, as you say, the WMDs were destroyed, then, pray tell, 
 why was 
Saddam not co-operating in letting inspectors in?  Pretty 
 stupid on 
his part if he didn't have any WMDs.
   
   He was saving face. It is important to Iraqi culture, as it is 
 in 
  many 
   countries. Doesn't matter- Cheney/Bush would've found literally 
 any 
   excuse to renew the bloodshed in Iraq...
  
  A report came out yesterday saying that 600.000 civilian iraqies 
 have 
  died as the result of the american invasion ! 
  The americans has serious blood on their hands...
  
 
 
 Found it:
 
 The researchers, reflecting the inherent uncertainties in such 
 extrapolations, said they were 95 percent certain that the real 
 number lay somewhere between 392,979 and 942,636 deaths.
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061012/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_toll_5;
 _ylt=Ahx4qNyB3HJxjtGTgZKznC9X6GMA
 
 OffWorld

And ? Few deaths 392,979 ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 jflanegi@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip 
  
  If, as you say, the WMDs were destroyed, then, pray 
 tell, 
   why was 
  Saddam not co-operating in letting inspectors in?  Pretty 
   stupid on 
  his part if he didn't have any WMDs.
 
 He was saving face. It is important to Iraqi culture, as it 
 is 
   in 
many 
 countries. Doesn't matter- Cheney/Bush would've found 
 literally 
   any 
 excuse to renew the bloodshed in Iraq...

A report came out yesterday saying that 600.000 civilian 
 iraqies 
   have 
died as the result of the american invasion ! 
The americans has serious blood on their hands...

   
   
   Found it:
   
   The researchers, reflecting the inherent uncertainties in 
 such 
   extrapolations, said they were 95 percent certain that the real 
   number lay somewhere between 392,979 and 942,636 deaths.
   
   
  
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061012/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_toll_5;
   _ylt=Ahx4qNyB3HJxjtGTgZKznC9X6GMA
   
   OffWorld
  
  And ? Few deaths 392,979 ?
 
 What is your question?
 
 OffWorld

My question is if you find 392,979 civilians to be a small number, 
justifyng the american invasion.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  no_reply@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 
 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
   jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   snip 

If, as you say, the WMDs were destroyed, then, pray 
   tell, 
 why was 
Saddam not co-operating in letting inspectors in?  
 Pretty 
 stupid on 
his part if he didn't have any WMDs.
   
   He was saving face. It is important to Iraqi culture, 
as 
 it 
   is 
 in 
  many 
   countries. Doesn't matter- Cheney/Bush would've found 
   literally 
 any 
   excuse to renew the bloodshed in Iraq...
  
  A report came out yesterday saying that 600.000 civilian 
   iraqies 
 have 
  died as the result of the american invasion ! 
  The americans has serious blood on their hands...
  
 
 
 Found it:
 
 The researchers, reflecting the inherent uncertainties 
in 
   such 
 extrapolations, said they were 95 percent certain that the 
 real 
 number lay somewhere between 392,979 and 942,636 deaths.
 
 

   
  
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061012/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_toll_5;
 _ylt=Ahx4qNyB3HJxjtGTgZKznC9X6GMA
 
 OffWorld

And ? Few deaths 392,979 ?
   
   What is your question?
   
   OffWorld
  
  My question is if you find 392,979 civilians to be a small 
number, 
  justifyng the american invasion.
 
 
 Uhhh, go back and read my posts. You seem to be on the worng track.
 
 OffWorld

And a worng track being ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
   snip
Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
 enough 
credit for their acting because of their good looks.
   
   I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
   Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
   Black. It's very long and very slow and very
   talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
   through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
   scenes that give me goose bumps.
  
  This comment explains much. If you found that film 
  slow, you should watch some Japanese cinema sometime. 
  It helps to develop patience and an appreciation for 
  substance rather than flash.
 
 And now it's a movie review in which Barry finds
 the opportunity to deliver a putdown (and an off-
 target one to boot).


Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on 
this forum  ? 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The greatness of Guru

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 I personally see it as a case of where there is no longer thirst, 
 there is no longer water.

Beautiful Jim !  Fulfillment. Peace.

That man writing this; Maharishi being his Guru Dev was profound, and 
so obvious. 
For me it was like that from the first instance I saw Maharishis 
picture on a poster. Simple. His closeness to the almigthy.  And in 
glimpses, Maharishi, my good karma and my tapas, has given me that.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ wrote:
 
  True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also.
  But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the
  suffering and stuff;
  I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from
  God, or Self...
  So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before 
 the
  crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'.

 Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words 
of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the 
details ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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-   
   Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; 
he 
  is 
my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He 
created 
  me, he 
sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two 
weeks 
  while 
this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every 
day. 
Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and 
  experience 
was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The 
intimate 
  play 
between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in 
its 
innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are 
boundless; 
  in 
knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted 
and 
humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly 
ordinary.

I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct 
  some of 
the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here 
last 
  year. 
I am not interested in debating or discussing them 
particularly. 
  They 
were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. 

All glory to Guru Dev

:-)
   
   
   Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the room if you 
  claimed that shit in his 
   presence.
  
  Lawson, you are one jealous mofo.  Maybe cause Rory managed say 
  more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000.  
 
 He said Maharishi is my Guru Dev; MMY doesn't tolerate that.

And ofcourse, sparaig knows everything about Maharishis thinking...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cost of our programs, money, and the real goal

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This post is so good that I could not resist posting it again. :-)
 
 
 Dear Rick and Fairfield Lifers,
 
 When I started TM in 1970, I paid $75 to learn.  It is estimated
 that prices for many things have almost doubled every decade.  In
 1970, gasoline cost .29/gallon; today it costs 1.69/gallon, an
 increase of 582%.  In 1970, a new mid-sized Ford with a big engine
 cost $2500; today it costs $15,000, an increase of 600%.  Applying
 that same percentage factor, $75 TM should cost $450 today, simply
 based on inflation.  Today, TM costs $2500, about 5.55 times that
 $450.
 
 Like shempmcgurk, I too feel that I would have paid a huge amount
 had I known how effectively the TM program would have brought me
 back home to my goal.  Please be careful in your assumptions here:
 I'm not talking based on some true belief or some faith in what
 the future might bring; I'm talking based on my own simple direct
 personal experience.  The time/money/energy that I invested in the
 TM program was far and away the best investment I've ever made.
 It's made this life worthwhile.  I appreciate that some of you don't
 feel that way - some feel disappointed, tricked, abused, misled -
 and I'm sincerely and deeply sorry that you've found yourself on a
 different road.
 
   And you probably couldn't have paid that, or $2500, even if you 
had
   known that.
 
 Even knowing as little as I did before I started, I came up with 
$75 -
 which is equivalent to $450 today.  Back then, would I have come up
 with 5.55 times more (or $417) - which is the equivalent of $2500 
today?
 After really letting myself get back into the feelings that I had 
back
 then, I say yes - I would have.  Certainly because of the greater 
amount
 of money involved, I would have slowed down, thought more deeply 
about
 my decision, weighed it as more than the cheap lark that I saw it 
as,
 but as drawn as I was to have that inner stability and peace that I 
saw
 in the TM lecturer, I would have paid the $417.
 
 That was 5% of a year's income in 1970 - about 2.5 weeks' wages.  It
 was 17% of the cost of a new car.  In my life, a lot of income and a
 lot of cars have come and gone since then - and a lot of money's 
been
 foolishly spent on things that have disappeared or were a mistake to
 begin with - but what the TM program delivered me to, the Self, goes
 on forever.  In fact, thinking back over those days when I was 
initiat-
 ed, I would actually have taken the 3-days checking and the regular
 practice of TM thereafter a lot more seriously if I hadn't thought 
that
 it was such a cheap bargain at $75.
 
 Today, based on what TM brought me, $2500 is a steal.  But I am 
realis-
 tic, and I understand through direct personal experiences with 
friends
 and counseling clients over these past years that many people don't 
see
 that value at first, and that $2500 is a very significant, often 
daunt-
 ing, obstacle in some peoples' minds.  It is daunting for me to tell
 people $2500, especially when I assume that they're not serious 
spir-
 itual seekers - but merely looking for some relative benefit (like 
re-
 ducing their stress level or improving their relationship or making
 school easier).
 
 So why does TM cost 5.55 times more today than it did back in 1970?
 And, as a corollary: is Maharishi a bumbling idiot about practical
 financial matters, or just overly greedy, or a brilliant seer of the
 future?
 
 I've thought back over many things I've heard from Maharishi over my
 years around him, and many things that I've recognized based on my 
own
 personal experience and understanding, and I'd like to share with 
you
 my take on the Movement and the $2500 TM course fees.  This is my 
sub-
 jective opinion, seen through my history, colored by my 
consciousness
 and my issues; it is not presented as fact or truth.  And since 
it
 is merely personal opinion, there is no need to engage in debate 
over
 the accuracy of my facts, because personal opinion is not based on 
fact.
 It's based on how our nervous system sees the world.  We can all 
gather
 plenty of facts and/or quotes to bolster our opinion.  This is 
simply
 offered as my world view - and perhaps you're a voyeur and would 
benefit
 from seeing the world through my eyes.
 
 I want to discuss the $2500 course fee on three levels (they get 
deeper
 as they progress, and all tie together, so please persevere):
 
 
 ANSWER #1 - THE SNOW PLOW EFFECT:
 
 My personal experience is that when I started to meditate in 1970,
 the going was tough.  The collective consciousness of the world 
was
 thick...thick...thick.  Meditations were boring.  Rounding courses
 were tedious - they felt like hard work.  I didn't have a clear 
inner
 experience of unbounded awareness till I'd gone through 2 1/2 years 
of
 meditation, 2 months of rounding at Humboldt, 10 weeks of long-
rounding
 on TTC in La Antilla, and a week of silence 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement The

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/3/06 4:18 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  

   I never heard of the TMO being thrown out. I was in the group
  (everybody at
   International at the time) helping to prepare for the Nepal 
trip.
  Maharishi
   initiated thousands with an earphone system. But almost 
everyone
  stopped
   meditating after a few days.
  
  Nice one Rick. Its a good example of how incredible distorted 
stories
  become when someone is addicted to rumours and loves to twist the
  truth.
  
 So what¹s the truth? Bless us, please.

Well, you where there personally so I obvously believe your version. 
Not Ingegerd's distortions.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: It's Official: TMO Passes Scientology In The Weirdest Cult Sweepstakes!

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
 How do you know its faux enlightenment?

Come on Spraig, cuz they act like dicks.  If there was an
enlightenment, don't you think that it would at least include 
not acting like a dick?

(I know the movement line on this but I am appealing to the 
guitar playing Spraig who knows these guys are just pompous 
asses}
   
   Eh. I see guys acting just as their guru has requested that 
   they act.
   
   What's pompous about that?
  
  I don't think anyone held a gun to anyone's head, to wear a crown.
  Perhaps they like wearing crowns.
 
 It's a kind of peer-pressure gun. These are people
 who have decided that being close to the guru or
 (even sadder) being *perceived* as being close to
 the guru is the most important thing in their lives.
 
 This phenomenon exists in many spiritual trips. But
 in most of them, the guru doesn't make someone
 pay a million bucks for the privilege of being
 perceived as close to him. In the TMO, he does.
 And there are people who actually go for it.
 
 As a personal choice, I guess it's acceptable. But
 if you're suggesting that they're not *laughable*
 to have *made* that choice, I don't think you're
 going to find very many people on the planet who
 agree with you. The rest would consider these
 people fools.
 
 A question for Sparaig the Professional TM Apologist:
 
 Do you actually believe that Maharishi *respects*
 these people?
 
 If so, think that many here who (unlike you) have 
 actually had some experience being around him and 
 watching how he treats people would disagree with
 you. 
 
 I'd be willing to bet that Maharishi considers
 them fools, too.

You seem to know all the details of the millionares course. You must 
know that the techniques they received and the new programme was not 
worth the money for these rich people ! Right ?
Ot perhaps you are the fool.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement The

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/2/06 12:28 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 10/1/06 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
I would also think that unless someone asks -- freely -- 
from their
own side to be initiated it would be a very negative 
experience.

   It was. They resented every minute of it. Some even cried.
  
  What happened in Nepal. As I heard many years ago - The TMO tried 
to
  initiate as many as possible in Nepal - and was thrown out of the
  country - does somebody know about it?
  
 I never heard of the TMO being thrown out. I was in the group 
(everybody at
 International at the time) helping to prepare for the Nepal trip. 
Maharishi
 initiated thousands with an earphone system. But almost everyone 
stopped
 meditating after a few days.

Nice one Rick. Its a good example of how incredible distorted stories 
become when someone is addicted to rumours and loves to twist the 
truth.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement The

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  A successfull businessman in Norway tried the force
  his employees to 
  learn TM - and they rejected. The News Papers had a
  lot of articles 
  about this - and the result was that the business
  went into 
  bankruptcy - and he lost everything.
 
Wrong again. He sold the company to his competitor for 2 mill $





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TOP TEN LIST: Things I love about TM and the TMO

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 10.  Simple and effortless...anyone can do it
 9. Cost me $35.00 lifetime fee to learn!
 8. I wasn't asked to believe in anything in order to join up and 
 practise it.
 7. Met alot of wonderful people in the Movement/made lifelong friends.
 6. TM gave me the experience of Transcendental Pure Consciousness.
 5. The first serious, concerted attempt in history to scientifically 
 validate a self-improvement meditation technique.
 4. I got to travel to Switzerland and India...places I would not have 
 otherwise gone to.
 3. Incredible mental, physical and spiritual benefits.
 2. The technique is portable -- I can take it and do it anywhere.
 1.  It works.

 Nice list :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
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 Oh, we got one M pundit now in FF.  He has been at it chanting 
every 
 day at the Devi Mandir temple on Burlington Street.  
 
 Probably everything positive the Tmorg recently points to as having 
 happened has actually come along in that one pundit working on our 
 behalf, separate from the TMorg, don't you think?   I don't know 
 what the movement did with the 190 million cash raised but a pundit 
 was brought through the immigration hoops to FF recently pretty 
 easily by private effort.  May be the TMorg. should fork some of 
 their money over to others to help if they can't succeed with it.
 
 -Doug in FF

Sure. No lack of grandiose selfimportance here.

The americans just don't like having big groups moving in. They even 
denied a small group of Purusha, about 50, to go to Washington 
together from Greece where they were staying. It wasnt until the old 
german national leader got very upset and almost yelled at them that 
he had a nice house in Munich, thank you very much, and had no 
intention whatsover to move to the USA that they issued visas. 
Privately he said the USA probably would be the last country in the 
world he would move to 
:-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement The

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ 
 wrote:
  
   
A successfull businessman in Norway tried the force
his employees to 
learn TM - and they rejected. The News Papers had a
lot of articles 
about this - and the result was that the business
went into 
bankruptcy - and he lost everything.
   
  Wrong again. He sold the company to his competitor for 2 mill $
 
 Do you know who I am referring to
 The one I refer to did lost everything.
 Ingegerd

Per M. Flem I suppose. Correct me if I am wrong. He sold his company 
at a rather good price, but for less than he could have got if he 
spent more time selling. He just wanted to get out.
Call him if you like. As usual you are just spreading ill-founded 
rumours.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!

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wrote:

 
 
 --- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  dhamiltony2k5 
  dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   Oh, we got one M pundit now in FF.  He has been at
  it chanting 
  every 
   day at the Devi Mandir temple on Burlington
  Street.  
   
   Probably everything positive the Tmorg recently
  points to as having 
   happened has actually come along in that one
  pundit working on our 
   behalf, separate from the TMorg, don't you think? 
   I don't know 
   what the movement did with the 190 million cash
  raised but a pundit 
   was brought through the immigration hoops to FF
  recently pretty 
   easily by private effort.  May be the TMorg.
  should fork some of 
   their money over to others to help if they can't
  succeed with it.
   
   -Doug in FF
  
  Sure. No lack of grandiose selfimportance here.
  
  The americans just don't like having big groups
  moving in. They even 
  denied a small group of Purusha, about 50, to go to
  Washington 
  together from Greece where they were staying. It
  wasnt until the old 
  german national leader got very upset and almost
  yelled at them that 
  he had a nice house in Munich, thank you very much,
  and had no 
  intention whatsover to move to the USA that they
  issued visas. 
  Privately he said the USA probably would be the last
  country in the 
  world he would move to 
  :-)
 
 Well, those Nazi's...er..Germans certainly have shown
 us! Now there is a wondeful country, Germany. I can't
 wait to move there and enjoy the beer and brats and
 join a national movement to compensate for my low
 self-esteem. Hopefully I don't have a juden in my
 past. That would ruin all my chances for racial
 superiority.
 

Can't wait for the next intelligent post from the Dr.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Historic $500 Check!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just saw an historic $500 check made out to a long-term friend 
for 
 simply rounding for this coming month.  Her check is one of the 
first 
 from Sidha-oilman Howard Settle's donation of $1,000,000 per month 
to 
 support 2,000 Yogic Flyers for the United States' national 
 superradiance.  This great gift initially had been offered for the 
 next twelve months, but Sunday night John Hagelin announced that 
 Howard and his wife intend to extend their donations indefinitely 
and 
 to enlarge them, perhaps with the assistance of other donors.
 
 The current $500 monthly allowance is intended to jumpstart greatly 
 our group-program numbers, which again exceeded 1200 last night!  
The 
 amount is intended to provide housing (eventually Maharishi-vastu 
 housing), organic meals (including Maharishi Vedic Organic 
produce), 
 plus some small cushion, and it's a gift, not taxable income.
 
 If there are any ways you or your friends might be able to rejoin 
us 
 for several weeks or months, please check the Invincibility America 
 Group's website at InvincibilityAmerica.org.  It offers online 
 registration for the course, online application for the $500 
monthly 
 gift, information about learning the TM-Sidhis for free, and it 
 includes a lot of additional information on its FAQ link.
 
 Best wishes and Jai Guru Dev,
 Dick

1200 in the Domes, that is good news indeed ! Howard is a great soul.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement Th

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wrote:

 
 On Oct 1, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  on 10/1/06 11:55 AM, Jeffrey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  H, Can someone explain this to me in simpler terms? Was
   Maharishi supporting Fidel Castro? If so, why? When did this 
occur?
   What was he trying to acheive? Thanks, I am too dumb to figure 
this
   out from that posting.
 
   That makes two of us. I think he was just coming more and more 
  unglued.
 
 And don't forget when he sent a large group over to the Philippines 
to 
 try and talk to Marcos, or something like that.
 
 Sal

We did talk to Marcos. And Maharishi was also there. But when he was 
uncommitted to support our activities in the country, Maharishi 
commented: Now he will have to carry his own cross. Just a few 
months later he was dead. But the revolution was bloodless, he 
simply just left the country. Same thing with the Shah of Persia.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement Th

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/1/06 11:55 AM, Jeffrey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  H, Can someone explain this to me in simpler terms? Was
  Maharishi supporting Fidel Castro? If so, why? When did this occur?
  What was he trying to acheive? Thanks, I am too dumb to figure this
  out from that posting.

Because Fidel Castro is a very good man ?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: mmy health

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey initiate22000@ 
wrote:
 
  That is an interesting story, but why do you interpret it so 
  literally, especially since you even say that there is no death?
  It can also mean that Maharishi will be with us, whether or not 
he 
  is in his physical form. 
   LOL, what is this rubbish about Maharishi dying ? No 
one dies.
   
   Anyway I heard an interesting story about Jack, the former 
  National 
   Leader of Holland who challenged Maharishi on his idea of 
Heaven 
  on 
   Earth. He wanted to know excatly when it would come about. 
Jack is 
  an 
   old man and rather impatient. Two times Maharishi 
answered soon. 
  On 
   the third question Jack asked Maharishi if he would be with us 
  when 
   this happened. Maharishi said yes. 
   
   This means that when Maharishi is leaving the body, then 
   already Heaven will walk on Earth. Then They, our Great 
  Brothers, 
   are here in the open, and Maharishi can take a welldeserved 
rest.
   
   Did you see the interview with the german journalist some 
years 
  ago 
   where Maharishi was extraordinary frank and said upon question 
if 
  he 
   would come back to this earth again later: 
   
   I will never come back to this horrible place again.
   
   For more information, please see: http://shareintl.org
  
 
 
 I see no evidence of even a direct quote in a German publication. 
It would be very out of 
 character for MMY to refer to Life as this horrible place.

Look again, it is certainly there.

His comment was not about life as such, but the standard of this 
planet. Do a little reading here on FFL, and you will understand 
what he meant :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: What's happening outside Fairfield(Oh, My God!)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   snip
It doesn't take 9 or 10 minutes in most cases for people
to give in.  Usually a matter of how long you can hold
your breath under water.
   
   No, apparently it triggers a violent, uncontrollable
   gag reflex.  Even if the person being tortured knows
   he isn't really going to be drowned, the body doesn't,
   and it reacts so powerfully that it overwhelms the
   mental processes.
  
  
  So everyone gives in? Seems to me that in THAT case,
  then it's futile to attempt to train American soldiers
  to resist torture techniques if everyone gives in.
 
 Where did you get everyone from my post or
 MDixon's?
 
 The important thing, no matter how well it works,
 is that it doesn't guarantee accurate information.
 It wasn't designed for that; it was designed to
 elicit false confessions.
 
 Once you can breathe again, you could still give
 false information.
 
 Also, it amounts to a mock execution, which is
 forbidden by international law.

Since when did the americans honour international law ?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Thank you for mentioning that 87 million dollar black hole so I 
 didnt have to. Where did all that cash go to?
   $2.2 million was raised for the Vedic City 
   pundit housing, and $2.2 
   million was spent on the housing,
   so to say that it was a fundraising 
   scam would be an ill-informed claim. 
  
  Namaste Sir Bob,
  I think Peter was referring to the $87mill. scam of April 2002 
 and 
  the whirled peas fund created to bring 10,000 Pandits to 
 America 
  and construct housing, and infrastruture to support the 10,000 
  pandits.
  
  There are just some many scams by Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari 
Mahesh 
  we cannot keep up.
  But thank you for distinguishing between the April 2002- 
$87.mill. 
  scam and the $2.2mill fund raiser to build pandit housing 
that 
  was supposed to built by $87mil. scam of April 2002.
  
   MUM thought it could bring in 500 
   pundits, but they were too poor to get visas,
  
  So that is what you were lead to believe..Bob..like the pandits 
  were ever coming at all.
  
   so the Mother Divine 
   group is now occupying the facility.
  

I really do not understand this. It is pathetic.

Is it so difficult for americans to understand that Maharishi took 
this money from you to teach you a lesson ? You are perversts to 
money, to dollars, to capitalism. A lifstyle that has to go, just 
like Communism. 

Maharishi tried to help you in Love. 

The least a Master could do, in my honest opinion, is to strike where 
it hurts the most. 

For more information, please see:  http://shareintl.org






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Islamofascism? Or Islamomarxism?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
wrote:
 
  For the politics junkies in the room, I found this 
  interesting. It's from a short interview with UK 
  historian Niall Ferguson:
  
  IDEAS: How do you understand radical Islamism? Is 
  it, as some say, the successor to Marxism?
  
  FERGUSON: It is. The great category error of our time is to 
equate radical Islamism with 
  fascism. If you actually read what Osama bin Laden says, it's 
clearly Lenin plus the 
 Koran. 
  It's internationalist, revolutionary, and anticapitalist-rhetoric 
far more of the left than of 
  the right. And radical Islamism is good at recruiting within our 
society, within western 
  society generally. In western Europe, to an extent people 
underestimate here, the appeal 
  of radical Islamism extends beyond Muslim communities.
  
  IDEAS: To people who might once have been drawn to Marxism?
  
  FERGUSON: And for much the same reason. Here is a way to reject 
the impure, corrupt 
  qualities of western life and embrace a monotheistic zealotry. 
That's very satisfying.
  
  The interview starts on this page; 
  http://tinyurl.com/hjjez
  the quote in question is on the next page.
 
 
 So conservative = capitalist?
 
 What an amazingly ethno-centric view of the world.
 
 Conservative means to want to maintain (or revert to) the status 
quo or some mythical 
 conception of one. It has NOTHING to do with economic philosophies.

Sparaig; you are an intelligent fellow, but is this article relevant 
on a spiritual board ?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   snip
Despite what uninformed people like Judy Stein say,
there is plenty of oil in the world...about 600 years
at current consumption levels.
   
   For the record, I've never expressed an opinion here
   about whether there's plenty of oil in the world.
 
Judy, is this relevant on a spiritual board ? 
  That's right, Judy, you never expressed the opinion that there 
are 
  only a trillion barrels of consumable oil left in the world and 
  that in less than 30 years it will all be gone.
  
  No, you never said any of that...for the record.
 
 Never expressed an opinion about whether there's
 plenty of oil in the world either on or off the
 record.  Don't *have* an opinion about it.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
 wrote:
  I'm only trying to get people to think for themselves and not 
  swallow every bit of information sent from on high. And I'm doing 
  it with compassion.
 
 But not with *accuracy*.
 
  I was therethere was a time when I would 
  have believed every word that sprang out of MMYs mouth.
 
 See, I was never in that state of mind.
 
  It;s a dangerous mental place to behistory proves that.
  Let me ask youwhat do you suppose would happens if 
  someone...say Raja John for instance (who I knew quite well),
  stood up and said Maharishi, I feel that this is the wrong 
  direction to take. We sound like we're threatening people with 
  disaster who do not come to the dome.
 
 You're quite right that they'd toss him out real quick.
 
 However, he would have misrepresented the situation.
 
 If he'd said, Maharishi, we sound like we're saying
 that if not enough people come to the domes, there'll
 be global disaster that will threaten us all.
 
 He'd still be tossed out real quick, but at least he'd
 have spoken *accurately*.
 
What makes you think he would be tossed out ? Maharishi might say; 
that's exactly what we are saying...








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[FairfieldLife] Re:We have come to the end of our civilization

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 Economic injustice and social upheaval: Is sharing the answer?  
Interview with Benjamin Creme
by Monte Leach , 1993

Benjamin Creme answers questions concerning the relationship between 
international insecurity and market forces. 


-
---

Monte Leach: As Share International magazine points out, there are 
about 1,000 million people throughout the developing world living in 
absolute poverty. In the developed world, economic recession is 
pervasive. What are we doing wrong? In your view, what's the problem?

Benjamin Creme: The major problem is the fact that we have come to 
the end of our civilization. We are witnessing the breakup of the 
civilization of the last 2,000-odd years and the beginnings of the 
process of creating a new civilization. This is why Maitreya is in 
the world: to inspire and guide us, to educate us in the creation of 
the correct structures -- political, economic, and social -- which 
will allow us to go forward in our evolution on the right premises.

At the moment we see a super-division of the world, a separation 
into major groups -- the developed and the developing world. The 
developed world usurps and wastes three-quarters of the world's food 
and 83 per cent of the resources. The Third World, as it is called, 
has to make do with the rest. As a result, 38 million people are, at 
this moment, starving to death in a world with a huge surplus of 
food. We have a 10 per cent per capita surplus of food in the world, 
so no one need starve.

What is required is a reassessment of who and what we are in our 
relationship to each other. Maitreya says the first step we have to 
take to address these problems is to see ourselves as one, brothers 
and sisters of one humanity. We have to get that sense of globality, 
that we are one people, one group and therefore the food, raw 
materials, energy, scientific know-how and educational facilities of 
the world belong to everyone. These resources are given so that all 
people may evolve correctly according to the Plan which underlies 
our evolutionary process. As a result, we must share these resources 
more equitably. When we share, Maitreya says, we will create justice 
in the world, and when we create justice, and only then, will we 
have peace. He has come to show us how to have peace. If we do not 
accept the process towards peace, there will be no world, because we 
can now destroy all life on this planet many times over. We have the 
nuclear arsenal to do this.

ML: The major threat, as you see it, to international security is 
not nuclear arms per se, but the tension which underlies the 
economic situation.

BC: According to Maitreya, what he calls the engines of war have 
been switched off. The Cold War is over. No one any longer believes 
that the US and Russia are going to destroy each other in a nuclear 
holocaust. But the energy which sent the planes into the sky and the 
tanks and troops into the battlefield does not just disappear. It is 
a destructive force which he says has been going around the world 
looking for a new home. He says it has found a new womb. That new 
womb is commercialization based on market forces, which, he says, 
are based on human greed. Maitreya calls market forces the forces 
of evil because they have inequality built into their very 
structure. They help a few to achieve a better standard of living, 
but at the expense of millions who suffer a lower one. 
Commercialization is gripping every nation in the world as the 
market forces concept begins to dominate even in the previously 
communist bloc. We are finding a situation where the rise in tension 
is so great it has within it the seeds of a third world war, and 
that war would destroy all life.

ML: Many people would argue that market forces are 'the saviour of 
mankind'. Many nations are heading that way in the developing as 
well as the developed world. They say: This is the way out. The 
communist system has failed. What other choice do we have?

BC: The communist system did not fail. It was never tried. We never 
saw communism in the so-called communist bloc. What we saw was a 
kind of state capitalism. What we are seeing now is a break-up of 
the totalitarian political system -- which is not the same thing as 
communism -- and the gradual transformation of capitalism. Maitreya 
says the symbol for the new economic situation, which will be 
neither capitalism nor communism, can be witnessed in the coming 
together of communist East Germany and capitalist West Germany. The 
reunification of Germany gives us the possibility for the creation 
of what he calls a social democracy or a democratic socialism -- 
something which is neither classical capitalism nor communism. He 
says eventually this will be the norm in Europe and throughout the 
world.

ML: How does that relate to what you were talking about in terms of 
sharing?

BC: Unless we share the resources rather 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How many of you agree with Chavez

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  So tonight on the news I saw Venezuelan President Chavez call Bush 
the 
  Devil, claim he smelled sulphur from Bush being there from the 
  previous day and then Chavez -- quite seriously -- crossed himself.
  
  I've heard pretty much the same sentiments echoed on this forum by 
  many.
  
  How many of you agree with Chavez?
 


I do.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
   An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is 
saying sounds
   very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the 
moon
   observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized 
and
   grandiose too?
   
   I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually 
in space.
For them the perception would be normal.  However MMY is 
probably
   just  being poetic and using flowery language for his 
feelings, so I
   was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment.
  
 My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a 
photo of
 the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving 
the
 impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually 
seeing it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
   An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is 
saying sounds
   very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the 
moon
   observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized 
and
   grandiose too?
   
   I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually 
in space.
For them the perception would be normal.  However MMY is 
probably
   just  being poetic and using flowery language for his 
feelings, so I
   was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment.
  
 My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a 
photo of
 the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving 
the
 impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually 
seeing it.

He is that. All.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
 
  Dear Sidha Community:
  
  I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has 
stepped 
  forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to 
fulfill 
  Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month 
for an 
  Invincible America.  These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of 
program in 
  the Domes daily.  I've done so for a month, and it has been 
  wonderful!!!
  
  In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast 
  numbers for the future, the Invincible America course 
administrators 
  need everyone to go to this website and register/apply:
  http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire
  
  Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few 
minutes 
  of your time. 
  
  If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, 
you can 
  receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course 
if 
  you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden 
Domes 
  (with no stipulation on the length of program).  If you are 
  interested, you may also say so at the website.
 
 They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work 
full-time and do a single 
 mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a 
Ru for a boss.
 
  
  Please join us.
  
  Thank you very much.
  
  Jai Guru Dev,
  Dick Mays
 

All Glory to Howard !

And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere 
in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor 
karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
 
  Dear Sidha Community:
  
  I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has 
stepped 
  forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to 
fulfill 
  Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month 
for an 
  Invincible America.  These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of 
program in 
  the Domes daily.  I've done so for a month, and it has been 
  wonderful!!!
  
  In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast 
  numbers for the future, the Invincible America course 
administrators 
  need everyone to go to this website and register/apply:
  http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire
  
  Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few 
minutes 
  of your time. 
  
  If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, 
you can 
  receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course 
if 
  you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden 
Domes 
  (with no stipulation on the length of program).  If you are 
  interested, you may also say so at the website.
 
 They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work 
full-time and do a single 
 mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a 
Ru for a boss.
 
  
  Please join us.
  
  Thank you very much.
  
  Jai Guru Dev,
  Dick Mays
 

All Glory to Howard !

And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere 
in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor 
karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits, liars, and hoaxters

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Fact is, you have to have been a fvkin idiot to have believed any 
of 
 it in the first place and they must all be brought to trial, dems 
 and repubs. 
 
 Did any of you redneck Americans realise that the United Nations 
did 
 NOT go along with this international crime. A crime it was and a 
 crime and abomination it shall be remembered for.
 
 They are ignorant fools. I am not the only one who saw through this 
 whole farce from the beginning, and it is time to sweep all the 
old -
 school morons aside (left and right) and lets have some of those 
 intelligent perceptive people running things in the 21st century. 
 
 It is over for the zombies. No more zombies, dems and repubs.
 
 The next phase will burn like hell..and purify those useless 
 souls off the planet once and for all. It is RIGHT around the 
 corner. Ride of your life. Get ready now. The babyboomers better be 
 fit for this. Nothing we have seen before is remotely like that 
 which is coming.
 
 OffWorld

Correct. But only if the americans do not hurry to assemble 1700 in 
the Domes. If they don't, anything could happen. It's pretty obvious 
that Maharishi sees some heavy karma lurking just around the corner 
for the americans. It is absurd really; they have the technology of 
TM, most of them probably know deep within that it works, still they 
do not act. When the karma hits them it will be to late. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
  
  snip
  
  Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
  apartment
   in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
  
 
 **
 
 It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
treatment 
 that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of your 
many 
 complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called 
disciples 
 uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive oil:
 
 http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm

The climate on FFL is getting more and more unsetteling. In times of 
transition people are feeling tense and are unstressing. It includes 
me. Negativity comes to the surface, as we increasingly see here 
nowadays.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 9/10/06 5:34:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 The  truth is my friend; all thinking 
 europeans are getting quite fed up with  the american goverment, with 
 american policy and american culture.  
 
 
 
 
 Then stop asking us to settle the Iranian nuclear situation. You guys 
deal  
 with it.

 We are not asking you. Quite the opposite; we are trying to prevent 
the americans from making even bigger fools of themselves by bombing 
Iran. The world wants dialoge, not bombs and Bush.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a time like none other in history.

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Question: Is a third world war imminent — what with the conflict in 
the Middle East? 
Benjamin Creme: No, it is not. If we were in a situation which was 
so `hot' – it is very `hot' at present – that World War Three was 
inevitable, Maitreya would intervene. 
It is better that He does not have to intervene because it would 
infringe human free will. But if it were necessary, He would 
intervene. In that case, He would be restricted in what He can give 
to humanity for quite some time, until our karma allowed Him to give 
what He can give. If He used that karmic gift, as it were, to prevent 
a third world war, it would hinder Him from doing things that He 
otherwise would do. 

The Masters, with a broader vision, know that eventually things will 
clarify and peace will be established. They know, as Maitreya says, 
that the end is known from the beginning. Have no fear. That does not 
mean sit still and do nothing. That is the point. 
You have to be inspired to act. He says: Nothing happens by itself. 
Man must act and implement his will. People, full of idealism, think 
that if you can envisage something, it already exists; that if you 
know that God is perfect, then the world is perfect. You cannot shut 
your eyes to all the ills in the world. It is foolish. It is not 
adult. Be adult and face the ills of the world and do something about 
them. You have to act to implement your will. If you want peace, 
justice, sharing and right relationship, you have to do it. Make it 
known that you want it. Elect the right people to get it. Act. Become 
active. Otherwise, you live in the clouds.
 
This is a time like none other in history. It will not be repeated. 
The Hierarchy of Masters is returning to the world for the first time 
in 98,000 years. You have the opportunity to work for Them, to make 
easier the work of Maitreya, to light the way, to make known to the 
world that He is here. Don't wait till Maitreya comes out in the 
open. Tell everybody who will listen that He is here, what His plans 
are, what His priorities are – right relationship, sharing, justice, 
peace – these are the priorities. Looking after the planet is a 
number one priority. You have to make these your own, not just listen 
to someone like me. 

We all have to become involved and to tell the world what is 
happening in the world, that this is the most amazing time, there has 
never been a time in the history of the world like this time. To be 
alive at this time is an extraordinary blessing.
With all the pain and the suffering in the world the opportunity for 
humanity is immense.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy, american style

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   For once, Bob and I are in perfect agreement.
   The rest of the world perceives George W.
   Bush -- in my opinion correctly -- as the
   almost perfect embodiment of the collective
   consciousness of the American people.
  
   Obviously we do; you elected this crazy nitwit not once 
but
   twice !
  
   No we didn¹t. If votes had been accurately counted and black 
voters
   hadn¹t
   been made to stand in 8 hour lines or prevented from voting 
at all,
   he would
   have lost both elections. He only won through cheating.

I was wrong, you were right !

Question: Who won the election in Mexico? 
Benjamin Creme: Strangely enough, it was an almost completely free 
and fair election, unlike the last two elections in the United 
States – the last one being the most corrupt, I think, that has ever 
taken place in a modern state.
You must make sure that you do not have another election like that. 
Do not stand for it. The voting machines were pre-programmed to 
change every fifth vote for Kerry into one for Bush. Those elections 
were completely false. Ohio was won by Kerry, although he lost it. 
Florida was won by Kerry, so was New Mexico. The result would have 
been completely different but for the corruption. There was a 
massive vote against Bush but also a strong vote for him. But Kerry 
won the election and was denied it, just as in the previous election 
Al Gore won the election and was denied it. The world would be a 
completely different place had either Gore or Kerry become 
President. You might have had Maitreya out in the open now.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy, american style

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  
  Question: Who won the election in Mexico? 
  Benjamin Creme: Strangely enough, it was an almost
  completely free 
  and fair election, unlike the last two elections in
  the United 
  States – the last one being the most corrupt, I
  think, that has ever 
  taken place in a modern state.
  You must make sure that you do not have another
  election like that. 
  Do not stand for it. The voting machines were
  pre-programmed to 
  change every fifth vote for Kerry into one for Bush.
  Those elections 
  were completely false. Ohio was won by Kerry,
  although he lost it. 
  Florida was won by Kerry, so was New Mexico. The
  result would have 
  been completely different but for the corruption.
  There was a 
  massive vote against Bush but also a strong vote for
  him. But Kerry 
  won the election and was denied it, just as in the
  previous election 
  Al Gore won the election and was denied it. The
  world would be a 
  completely different place had either Gore or Kerry
  become 
  President. You might have had Maitreya out in the
  open now.
  
  http://www.shareintl.org
 
 Nablus, the Age of Enlightenment really must be here.
 You and I are in complete agreement with the above
 post. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban Fiction Now!

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 For once, Bob and I are in perfect agreement.
 The rest of the world perceives George W.
 Bush -- in my opinion correctly -- as the
 almost perfect embodiment of the collective
 consciousness of the American people.

Obviously we do; you elected this crazy nitwit not once but twice !
On the other hand, Bob Brigante posted a beautiful post here some 
days ago where some writer stated that the american people are 
perhaps stupid, but they are not bad people. I agree on that. On my 
travels in the USA I have met countless intelligent, creative and 
good people. 

I think the american people has been manipulated to think that this 
Bush fellow is good for them, and somehow they belived it. The truth 
ofcourse is that this administration is a catastrophy for America.

They are sowing seeds that the american people has to pay, sooner 
rather than later. It seems like this time is now. Ordinary citicens 
pay 
the price. Today, more american soliders have been killed in Iraq 
than during 7/11 - and it will not stop, it will just continue and 
continue and continue untill the americans have had enough and hit 
the streets in 
demonstrations. The People, ordinary folks have power, they just have 
to show it, act ! 

Chaos reigns, likewise, in the political sphere. The nations are led 
by groups dedicated to the past, unable to see that their methods 
apply no longer to the needs of today and tomorrow. Blindfolded and 
arrogant, they strut the stage of life like out-of-date actors, 
unsure of their direction or their lines. The door marked EXIT looms 
large for these destructive usurpers of power.

Benjamin Creme's Master

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban bad evil sex talk on FFL !

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 4:50 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
   , kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
   
   Hi, my very dear friends,
   
   be happy and continue coming in the Dome.
   
   Shame ! 
   
   What kind of bad, bad posts written by perverted
   evil sex freaks are aloud on this forum ?
   
   Such a bad people are writing here, such an evil
   words, suggesting that people are having sex, and
   even coming in the Dome !
   
   How perverse is that ?  Will the righteous true
   TMers who butt-bounce for peace be forced to stain
   their holy butts by landing in the puddles of jizz
   left over from these perverse bad thing freaks
   having sex in the holy Dome ?
  
 More LOL. But just for the record, Rudra Joe (Llundrub/Kirk 
Bernhardt) who
 may have been before your time on this forum, said that he used to 
entertain
 himself during boring dome events by having oral sex with his 
girlfriend
 behind a stack of foam. And look what The Universe did to him: 
Hurricane
 Katrina.

Nice one :-)

And there is another Hurricane coming, isn't it ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweating?

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 Can sweating like hell be a result of brahmacharya?

No.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban bad evil sex talk on FFL !

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 10:23 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  And there is another Hurricane coming, isn't it ?
  
 There will always be more. At the moment, Florence is heading for 
Bermuda.
 Probably won¹t hit the mainland US.

The americans not bothering to gather 1700 i the Domes, Florence could 
change her mind...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban Fiction Now!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 10:13 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   For once, Bob and I are in perfect agreement.
   The rest of the world perceives George W.
   Bush -- in my opinion correctly -- as the
   almost perfect embodiment of the collective
   consciousness of the American people.
  
  Obviously we do; you elected this crazy nitwit not once but 
twice !
 
 No we didn¹t. If votes had been accurately counted and black voters 
hadn¹t
 been made to stand in 8 hour lines or prevented from voting at all, 
he would
 have lost both elections. He only won through cheating.

You are right. And what are you as people going to to about it ?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban Fiction Now!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 9/10/06 10:13 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
  
  Obviously we do; you elected this crazy nitwit not once but twice !
  
  No we didn¹t. If votes had been accurately counted and 
  black voters hadn¹t been made to stand in 8 hour lines 
  or prevented from voting at all, he would have lost 
  both elections. He only won through cheating.
 
 And the American people allowed the cheating 
 to take place.  That's a form of voting.
 
 The American people voted these assholes into
 office, whether by commission or omission.

Obviously; you are the champions of Democracy and Freedom ! LOL






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweating?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 8:54 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can sweating like hell be a result of brahmacharya?
  
 Usually it¹s associated with its opposite.

On the other hand; if you are becoming celibate whilst thinking 
intensely of sex it could cause straining. Staining could cause 
headaces and indeed sweating. 
So take it easy, if you are intent on being celibate; these problems 
will go as they came; quickly. Good luck to you ! The effects of 
celibacy are immense.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban bad evil sex talk on FFL !

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 --- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  groups@ wrote:
  
   on 9/10/06 10:23 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@
  wrote:

And there is another Hurricane coming, isn't
  it ?

   There will always be more. At the moment, Florence
  is heading for 
  Bermuda.
   Probably won¹t hit the mainland US.
  
  The americans not bothering to gather 1700 i the
  Domes, Florence could 
  change her mind...
 
 You are such a bitch, Nablus!

I gather you do not agree that as you sow, so shall you reap. ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 12:10 PM, Anna at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Is it true that people are being banned for going to see other
   gurus/saints? I heard that in Europe there isn't this narrow 
mentality.
   (Though that's also hearsay.)
   
 
 It¹s my understanding that there¹s a sort of ³don¹t ask, don¹t 
tell² policy
 these days. If you go to see saints and are quiet about it, no 
problem. But
 if you help organize to bring saints here, or if someone says you 
do (even
 if you don¹t), you¹re out. Also, if you practice Jyotish, Sthapatya 
Veda, or
 any other Vedic discipline which the movement has turned into a 
business,
 you¹re out. More than the number of people who have been excluded 
for one of
 the above reasons are those who exclude themselves because they¹re 
fed up
 with the way the movement operates, as well as being alienated by 
the
 weirdness of the rajas, etc. If Maharishi really wants to get big 
numbers in
 the domes, tell him to hop in his time machine, go back about 40 
years, and
 do it again with honesty, integrity, sensibility, and plenty of 
feedback
 from others who embody those qualities.

Then what would happen ? He would have a boat full of weirdos onboard.
And the 1% wold not work. Hardly the effect the americans needs at 
this point when universal karma is hitting them bigtime.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 12:55 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   If Maharishi really wants to get big
  numbers in
   the domes, tell him to hop in his time machine, go back about 
40
  years, and
   do it again with honesty, integrity, sensibility, and plenty of
  feedback
   from others who embody those qualities.
  
  Then what would happen ? He would have a boat full of weirdos 
onboard.
  And the 1% wold not work. Hardly the effect the americans needs at
  this point when universal karma is hitting them bigtime.
  
 He ended up with a boat full of weirdoes. I¹m suggesting that if 
honesty,
 integrity, and sensibility had been the guiding principles, he 
would have
 ended up with those sorts of people instead, and the movement would 
have
 ended up very different than it is today. But it¹s easy to play 
what if.

No, it would be impossible at this point of time. Knowledge had 
to hit the hard rocks of ignornance. As always. Not for a moment 
imagine that this is the first time this kind of knowledge has been 
presented to the public. 
 
Maharishi has softened the atmosphere remarkably. The last course was 
a failure in terms of numbers, but nevertheless a fragile peace was 
obtained in the MidEast; lives have been saved. 

I think Maharishis idea went much beyond that, though important, for 
this course, he wanted to save the americans from themselves. 

Now that they did not show up, anything could happen.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 9/10/06 12:55 PM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
  

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
If Maharishi really wants to get big
   numbers in
the domes, tell him to hop in his time machine, go back 
about 
 40
   years, and
do it again with honesty, integrity, sensibility, and plenty 
 of
   feedback
from others who embody those qualities.
   
   Then what would happen ? He would have a boat full of weirdos 
 onboard.
   And the 1% wold not work. Hardly the effect the americans needs 
 at
   this point when universal karma is hitting them bigtime.
   
  He ended up with a boat full of weirdoes. I¹m suggesting that if 
 honesty,
  integrity, and sensibility had been the guiding principles, he 
 would have
  ended up with those sorts of people instead, and the movement 
 would have
  ended up very different than it is today. But it¹s easy to play 
 what if.
 
 
 
 I don't think he would have had to go back 40 years, just 30 years.
 
 That's when the decline in initiations happened, circa 1976.  
That's 
 when he started being dishonest with the public in a big way (i.e. 
 flying).

When the Sidhis came out at that time not one more initiation is 
necessary. But that escaped you, didn't it. Why are you so obsessed 
with the Movement ? Because you are to attached to it, to your own 
career and ambition probably. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
 
The Movement belongs to those who moove. If your intention is to not 
moove, forget the Movement.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
wrote:
  No, it would be impossible at this point of time. Knowledge had 
  to hit the hard rocks of ignornance. As always. Not for a 
moment 
  imagine that this is the first time this kind of knowledge has 
been 
  presented to the public. 
   
  Maharishi has softened the atmosphere remarkably. The last course 
was 
  a failure in terms of numbers, but nevertheless a fragile peace 
was 
  obtained in the MidEast; lives have been saved. 
  
  I think Maharishis idea went much beyond that, though important, 
for 
  this course, he wanted to save the americans from themselves. 
  
  Now that they did not show up, anything could happen.
 
 Nabby, you need to get some professional helpand quick. Your 
post
 saddens me. It makes me think of others I knew in the TMO who still
 believe this and other, similar fairy tales. 
 God, the wreckage of the movement!

You are a fool. In times of trouble we will start unstressing. I'm 
doing it and so are you. Doesn't make you a lesser fool though.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 1:21 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  Maharishi has softened the atmosphere remarkably.
  
 I agree with you there. I think he had a big influence on the world.
 Although not as big as he thought he did or would like to have had.

I was thinking more of the last few weeks, of the influence of the 
Invincible America course¨on the world. Being the first course of his 
to be, technically, a failure, one would contemplate the consequeses.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From a friend:
 
  .,  I want everyone to know that last night  M announced a plan 
to pay
  people$500 a month to be in the dome for the Invincibility America
  Course,starting Sept 12th,
and also, if you know anyone who wants the sidhis but hasn't 
been able  to
  afford them, he is also going to offer the sidhis course for  
free...contact
  the TM center for more info on that..there is a meeting  at 1pm 
Sundayin the
  Drier building for those ready to start  immediately..tell your 
friends...love
  and light to all of you

Beautiful !

Still tons of people on FFL will continue to claim that Maharishi is 
greedy. 

Makes you wonder what their agenda is. Perhaps Klutz was right after 
all :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 2:47 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   on 9/10/06 1:21 PM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:

   Maharishi has softened the atmosphere remarkably.
   
   I agree with you there. I think he had a big influence on 
the world.
   Although not as big as he thought he did or would like to 
have had.
   
   I was thinking more of the last few weeks, of the influence of 
the
   Invincible America course¨on the world. Being the first course 
of his
   to be, technically, a failure, one would contemplate the 
consequeses.
  
 The first? Courses and projects have been announced throughout the 
years
 which have failed to reach their stated goal.

Projects, ofcourse. They where for the purification of those involved.
But this is the first time an objective was not met numberwise, no ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

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 My thought was that he wants to feel more successful, go out with a 
 bigger BOOM.he will create more flyers in the dome by giving the 
 sidhis away.
  
  He's gotta be seeing something bad coming down the pike, no?

Please; Maharishi has no need to feel anything. 
The lackluster response from the americans to this course is 
threatening their own very existence. 
This could be His very last call to try to help them. After all; 
America was the first country outside India which responded to His 
message. Many Americans are dear to Him.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  From a friend:
  
   I want everyone to know that last night  M announced a plan to
   pay people $500 a month to be in the dome for the Invincibility 
   America Course,starting Sept 12th, and also, if you know anyone 
who 
   wants the sidhis but hasn't been able  to afford them, he is also 
   going to offer the sidhis course for  free...contact the TM 
center 
   for more info on that..there is a meeting  at 1pm Sundayin the
   Drier building for those ready to start  immediately..tell your 
   friends...love and light to all of you
 
 He's gotta be seeing something bad coming down the pike, no?

Yes.

http://yogavisionaries.com






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/10/06 3:02 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Projects, ofcourse. They where for the purification of those 
involved.
   But this is the first time an objective was not met numberwise, 
no ?
  
 No. there have only been a few times during the past decades when the
 desired dome numbers have been achieved.

Not thinking of Fairfield spesifically. In times of trouble, when 
Maharishi has rallied to achive certain numbers on courses here and 
there, historically, this is the first time it did not happen, no ?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On Sep 10, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
  
   From a friend:
  
   .,  I want everyone to know that last night  M announced a plan 
to
 pay 
people$500 a month to be in the dome for the Invincibility 
America
Course,starting Sept 12th,
  and also, if you know anyone who wants the sidhis but hasn't 
been
   able  to afford them, he is also going to offer the sidhis 
course for
free...contact the TM center for more info on that..there is a
   meeting  at 1pm Sundayin the Drier building for those ready to 
start
immediately..tell your friends...love and light to all of you
  
  Hahahahahahahaha.
  
  Rick if your friend  still believes any of this, he needs to 
seriously
  get real.
  
  Sal
  
 From a friend ³in the know²:
 
 It¹s true. As of today, Sept 10th, 637 have signed up in the Drier 
Bldg. for
 the free siddhi's courses to start soon. There are several courses 
planned
 between now  Nov. There may be courses in Canada as well.

Wonderful ! 






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[FairfieldLife] Benjaim Creme on worlds affairs

[nablus108]

Questions  Answers

Q. What kind of future do you see for America within the next couple 
of decades?
A. If enough people accept quickly the changes that Maitreya will be 
calling for, we can transform life in America and the rest of the 
world very soon. Once the idea of sharing, and justice engages the 
imagination, when people see the simple common sense of sharing, 
creating justice and therefore peace as the only way to create peace 
and an end of terrorism and war, then millions will join the ranks 
around Maitreya. 
You have no idea how eloquent Maitreya is, how simple and 
knowledgeable, with a mind which is razor sharp and can illumine 
every problem. His love and wisdom are endless, the love of God and 
the wisdom of all the ages. His ability to enter into the hearts of 
all and release His energy of love is the sword which He wields to 
change the world. The Sword of Cleavage is the energy of Love. 
As people respond to this energy the world will be divided – those 
who are clamouring for change along the lines Maitreya is advocating, 
and those who are fearful and looking to the past, who see Him as the 
Antichrist, are fearful and do not know what to do. They will stand 
aside and watch the events, and so lose the opportunity presented, 
for the first time in history, to take part in the transformation of 
the world. It is up to each individual, from where he or she stands, 
to assert their divinity. 
Maitreya is speaking about sharing, justice, freedom and about right 
relationship. They are all divine principles. Freedom, justice and 
right relationship are at the basis of life and make for correct 
relationship between peoples and between nation and nation. 
It is competition that leads to war and prevents right human 
relationship from evolving. The creation of correct human 
relationship is the next step forward in our evolution. When you have 
that you have the beginning of true divine life. The first step into 
sharing, says Maitreya, is the first step into your divinity. What 
could be simpler or truer?

Q. Is a third world war imminent — what with the conflict in the 
Middle East? 
A. No, it is not. If we were in a situation which was so `hot' – it 
is very `hot' at present – that World War Three was inevitable, 
Maitreya would intervene. 
It is better that He does not have to intervene because it would 
infringe human free will. But if it were necessary, He would 
intervene. In that case, He would be restricted in what He can give 
to humanity for quite some time, until our karma allowed Him to give 
what He can give. If He used that karmic gift, as it were, to prevent 
a third world war, it would hinder Him from doing things that He 
otherwise would do. 
The Masters, with a broader vision, know that eventually things will 
clarify and peace will be established. They know, as Maitreya says, 
that the end is known from the beginning. Have no fear. That does not 
mean sit still and do nothing. That is the point. 
You have to be inspired to act. He says: Nothing happens by itself. 
Man must act and implement his will. People, full of idealism, think 
that if you can envisage something, it already exists; that if you 
know that God is perfect, then the world is perfect. You cannot shut 
your eyes to all the ills in the world. It is foolish. It is not 
adult. Be adult and face the ills of the world and do something about 
them. You have to act to implement your will. If you want peace, 
justice, sharing and right relationship, you have to do it. Make it 
known that you want it. Elect the right people to get it. Act. Become 
active. Otherwise, you live in the clouds. 
This is a time like none other in history. It will not be repeated. 
The Hierarchy of Masters is returning to the world for the first time 
in 98,000 years. You have the opportunity to work for Them, to make 
easier the work of Maitreya, to light the way, to make known to the 
world that He is here. Don't wait till Maitreya comes out in the 
open. Tell everybody who will listen that He is here, what His plans 
are, what His priorities are – right relationship, sharing, justice, 
peace – these are the priorities. Looking after the planet is a 
number one priority. You have to make these your own, not just listen 
to someone like me. 
We all have to become involved and to tell the world what is 
happening in the world, that this is the most amazing time, there has 
never been a time in the history of the world like this time. To be 
alive at this time is an extraordinary blessing.
With all the pain and the suffering in the world the opportunity for 
humanity is immense.

Q. Who won the election in Mexico? 
A. Strangely enough, it was an almost completely free and fair 
election, unlike the last two elections in the United States – the 
last one being the most corrupt, I think, that has ever taken place 
in a modern state.
You must make sure that you do not have another election like that. 
Do not stand for it. The voting 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
 wrote:
   
on 9/10/06 12:55 PM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:

  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
   40yahoogroups.com
 , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  If Maharishi really wants to get big
 numbers in
  the domes, tell him to hop in his time machine, go back 
  about 
   40
 years, and
  do it again with honesty, integrity, sensibility, and 
 plenty 
   of
 feedback
  from others who embody those qualities.
 
 Then what would happen ? He would have a boat full of 
 weirdos 
   onboard.
 And the 1% wold not work. Hardly the effect the americans 
 needs 
   at
 this point when universal karma is hitting them bigtime.
 
He ended up with a boat full of weirdoes. I¹m suggesting that 
 if 
   honesty,
integrity, and sensibility had been the guiding principles, 
he 
   would have
ended up with those sorts of people instead, and the movement 
   would have
ended up very different than it is today. But it¹s easy to 
 play 
   what if.
   
   
   
   I don't think he would have had to go back 40 years, just 30 
 years.
   
   That's when the decline in initiations happened, circa 1976.  
  That's 
   when he started being dishonest with the public in a big way 
 (i.e. 
   flying).
  
  When the Sidhis came out at that time not one more initiation is 
  necessary.
 
 
 
 You are obviously quoting MMY here, Nablus.
 
 Can't you think for yourself instead of being the obvious cult 
 member that you are?
 
 
  But that escaped you, didn't it. Why are you so obsessed 
  with the Movement ?
 
 
 I'm obsessed with the Movement because it held the best hope for 
the 
 world.  And it got -- unnecessarily -- fucked up.


What f you up - yourself ?

 
 I believe in discussing the causes and effects of what fucked it up.
 
 Don't you?
 
 
 
  Because you are to attached to it, to your own 
  career and ambition probably. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
 
 
 
 You're forgiven.
 
 
 
   
  The Movement belongs to those who moove. If your intention is to 
 not 
  moove, forget the Movement.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
  
   On Sep 10, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
   
From a friend in the know:
   
It's true. As of today, Sept 10th, 637 have signed up in the 
Drier Bldg. for the free siddhi's courses to start soon. 
There 
are several courses planned between now  Nov. There may be 
courses in Canada as well.
   
   Would this be the same friend who told about the promised 
   $2000/month salaries to all the recertified govs?  And 
   maybe he's a relative of the same friend who also said 
   Vedic City would include a world-famous health center. 
   And maybe they're cousins to the same friend who said 
   the Sidhis would teach you how to fly.
   
   Anyone still believing this crapola has some serious 
   growing up to do.
  
  Well, there IS a remote chance that Maharishi has
  finally realized that at this point the only way 
  he can get people interested in learning the siddhis
  is to give the course away, and the only way he can
  get them interested in doing them in a group is to
  pay them to do so.
  
  
   Sal
 
 Can you spell Mothers and Fathers Indian Association? The 
 Shrivastavas would never part with a rupee that wasn't in their 
best 
 interests and butt bouncing is stupid, they can see that. No 
percent 
 of anything changes much or there wouldn't have been a murder at 
MUM! 
 If MUM can't prevent 1 murder, then no amount of Butt Bouncing is 
 going to do anything other than cause sore Butts ... well, I'm 
 slightly wrong there because the foam industry is going to benefit 
 and I am sure the Shrivastavas have invested in just the kind that 
 only Maheshites buy.
 


Take your checks from your stupid employer and shut the f... up ! You 
and your comrades are the reason why that country is having big 
problems. If I thought you could think, I would advertise that idea 
to you.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes or perish

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 Maitraya told me to tell you to think for yourself.
 
Thanks Peter. Do you object to the idea of the Masters being incarnated 
now ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

[nablus108]

  growing up to do.
 
 Well, there IS a remote chance that Maharishi has
 finally realized that at this point the only way 
 he can get people interested in learning the siddhis
 is to give the course away, and the only way he can
 get them interested in doing them in a group is to
 pay them to do so.
 
 
  Sal

Or His way of trying to save America from itself






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to the Domes

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I can see that the qualities of love, compassion, and tolerance have 
 flourished in you as a result of regular TM practise, Nablus.
 
 Actually, I find it quite amusing that you felt it important enough 
 to represent the word fucked by f. at the same time you 
 responded with a comment that is cutting, cynical and venal. 

By appointment, I presume.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
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growing up to do.
   
   Well, there IS a remote chance that Maharishi has
   finally realized that at this point the only way 
   he can get people interested in learning the siddhis
   is to give the course away, and the only way he can
   get them interested in doing them in a group is to
   pay them to do so.
   
   
Sal
  
  Or His way of trying to save America from itself
 
 
 
 Tell me something, Nablus:
 
 What is the effect from the hate, anger, and vitriol you display on 
 this forum?
 
 Is it contributing to and helping to prevent world peace?

vitriol ?
 
I suppose you are an american ?!

I have less anger and hate. What I see is a great nation going down 
because of karma, collective fate. To point that out has meager 
value. I choose to do so because it is a sad thing. The USA was 
always a dream for poor europeans in the last century. In fact we 
love America, but the developments in your foreign policy during the 
last years has made many vary. Now you drag our military, more 
supportive of UN operations, more and more into your silly operations 
in Afghanistan and Iraq. The truth is my friend; all thinking 
europeans are getting quite fed up with the american goverment, with 
american policy and american culture. 

It is an interesting development; is is as if the american government 
have made themselves uninteresting. Americanism is not interesting 
any more, it is boring though dangerous. There are a great people 
there; but they do nothing, they do not act. They are modern slaves 
to capitalism.

The next to go is capitalism. - Maharishi, 1989



Do my thoughts contribute to world peace ? I hope so.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: A message from Benjamin Cremes Master

[nablus108]

Help is needed – and offered
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme, 16 July 2006

It will soon become clear that without help men have but little time 
to rectify the problems, ecological, political and economic which 
cause chaos, danger and heartache to the majority of Earth's people. 
It is a situation unique in Earth's history. Much depends on men 
realizing that they have, as custodians, the responsibility to tend 
carefully the well-being of the planet and all its kingdoms, and to 
pass on a vibrant, healthy planetary home to future generations. So 
unhealthy has the planet become from man's predatory action and 
cavalier neglect, that, were it human, grave doubts of its recovery 
would be in order. The home of man and the lower kingdoms must be 
nursed back to health to fulfil its role in the evolving Plan.
Chaos reigns, likewise, in the political sphere. The nations are led 
by groups dedicated to the past, unable to see that their methods 
apply no longer to the needs of today and tomorrow. Blindfolded and 
arrogant, they strut the stage of life like out-of-date actors, 
unsure of their direction or their lines. The door marked EXIT looms 
large for these destructive usurpers of power.

Saddest

The economic and social spheres are the saddest of all. While the 
world's wealth flows into fewer and fewer hands, countless millions 
beg for the minimum to survive. Millions are too weak to beg, and 
die, forlorn, before they have tasted life. What can men do to 
rectify these sad and dangerous conditions? To whom can they turn for 
help in their agony?
There is but one source of help for men in their extreme need. That 
help is theirs for the asking. We, your Elder Brothers, seek only 
your welfare and happiness, and are ready to aid you and to point the 
way to a better future for all.
We see all men as One, brothers and sisters of one great family. Men 
need, likewise, to banish from their hearts the sense of separation, 
and to rediscover the reality of brotherhood which lies at the heart 
of the human condition. Men, all men, are potential Gods and needs 
must create the conditions in which they all can flourish. We will 
help you to do this, gladly, when you take the first small step in 
that direction. That first step is not difficult nor fraught with 
risk. You have nothing to lose and your divinity to gain: that first 
step is called Sharing.

(The above article will be published in the September 2006 issue of 
Share International magazine.)

http://www.shareintl.org

 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us 
way 
  past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, 
  period. I just believe in a cautious approach with complex tasks 
and 
  practices, and TM I put in that category. Not because the 
practice 
  is complex, but the results can be.
 
 Much better.
 
 But might I point out that I suspect the reason you 
 believe that a cautious approach is necessary is 
 because you were told this, over and over and over 
 and over, for decades, by Maharishi?   
 
  Not everyone has been studying comparative spirituality as you 
have, 
  and for as long as you have. So for most people I believe a 
  conservative approach is best. Especially for a technique as 
  powerful as TM.
 
 I honestly believe the opposite. I believe that all 
 seekers deserve to be treated as adults, because they
 really are -- they've been around the spiritual block
 hundreds or thousands of times before in previous incarn-
 ations, or they would never have run into meditation in
 this one. Therefore they deserve to be treated like the
 experienced seekers they are.
 
 Maharishi clearly does not think this way. He treats
 his students like children, with himself as Daddy. That
 is his right, and it is your right to believe that this
 is appropriate. Me, I just think that treating people
 like children is a great way of keeping them children
 forever, and that that's the point.
 
  As a general policy with regard to TM and other techniques, as 
far 
  as I heard it directly when involved with the TMO, it sounds 
about 
  right. You may be an exception to that policy, being able to 
  entertain multiple techniques at once (though not TM).
 
 I believe that *everyone* is an exception to this
 rule, because the rule DOES NOT EXIST, but it's OK 
 to agree to disagree about this...

To leave Maharishiji after many years of meditation for some other 
practice is a spiritual suicide.

SriPadbaba, Vrindavan, India, 1990






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 What is the longest time youse have stayed
 /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier
 after a couple of weeks or so?

It took 2 years, in my life, my friend. But then all pictures where 
gone. It is not a easy matter.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
 
  Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind 
 my 
  research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the 
  jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling 
 over 
  the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. 
  I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as 
 I 
  am concerned, I work on his behalf.

Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy 
little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of 
Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ?

 Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You are 
the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is simple 
and gross. 

Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more 
obvious with people like you on board.

Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my 
friend; be prepared for some extras. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What bar are you propping up today?

I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, 
can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than necessary. 
We should long for the opposite.

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
  marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
   premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev 
 behind 
   my 
research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in 
 the 
jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or 
 puzzling 
   over 
the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. 
I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as 
far 
 as 
   I 
am concerned, I work on his behalf.
  
  Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy 
  little fellow who is infamous for writing a 
redicelous biography 
 of 
  Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ?
  
   Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You 
are 
  the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is 
simple 
  and gross. 
  
  Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and 
 more 
  obvious with people like you on board.
  
  Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, 
my 
  friend; be prepared for some extras.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 I heard  or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore 
 joined SSRS...any  truth to that?

If any of those two should join anyone it would be the other way around.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  Paul Mason wrote:
  
  Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few 
  words about when and how to meditate.
  Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006
 
 Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have
 gotten in teaching people around the world to
 meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev?
 
 Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY
 had taught as he did, and these instructions from
 Guru Dev had been translated and made available
 through the TMO?  How many TMers would have 
 decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way,
 and what would have been the result?  Especially
 in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance?
 
 What was MMY going to say, No, no, don't do what
 Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct?
 
 You keep suggesting that there's something 
 sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual
 teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms
 I've encountered.
 
 MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted
 TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*,
 for that matter.  The context in which Guru Dev
 taught was just too different.
 
 I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully
 bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with
 all the sectarian Hinduism taken out.  What would
 you have thought of that?  What would have been
 left?  Would that have been true to Guru Dev's
 intent?
 
 If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM
 instead of staying back in India and teaching a
 few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and
 all--or for teaching anything in the first place--
 fine.
 
 But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to
 make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to
 stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru
 Dev by not promoting his original teachings.  That
 just makes no sense at all.
 
 
Bingo ! 
That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
 snip
   But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to
   make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to
   stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru
   Dev by not promoting his original teachings.  That
   just makes no sense at all.
   
  Bingo ! 
  That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money
 
 For the record, that isn't what I'm suggesting.
 There are other motivations than money for trying
 to take down MMY.

Ofcourse. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: One million awake...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 by Aja Thomas http://www.opednews.com/author/author2502.html
 
 
 
 http://www.opednews.com http://www.opednews.com/
 
 Enlightenment Tipping Point Aug 25, 2006 at 14:24:29
 
 by Aja Thomas
 
 What if there were 1,000,000 Enlightened Beings in the World?
  What if 1,000,000 people declared their recognition of the 
Absolute and
 dedicated themselves to the Awakening of all of humanity?
  What if.. ?
 
  It appears that we are at something of a crossroads. To some, it 
seems that
 we are virtually on the edge of an abyss, about to topple over into 
darkness
 and oblivion. 
 
  And yet, a great Truth is also rising. There are more and more 
people
 coming to a deep recognition of who they are as spiritual beings, as
 Consciousness itself. Millions of people around the world are 
inquiring
 deeply into the nature of Reality, into their own truth as Pure 
Awareness,
 into the Infinite Presence of Being.
  Amidst the darkness, people are WAKING UP.
 
  Teachers of spirituality and truth (of which there are thousands 
around the
 world in ALL traditions) are seeing that there is something of a 
global dark
 night of the soul, a period of introspection, and even depression, 
from
 which humanity is awakening to a new Reality, a new compassion, a 
new
 commitment to Enlightened Living.
 
  The brilliant architect and visionary, Buckminster Fuller 
said, You never
 change things by fighting the existing reality. To change 
something, build a
 new model that makes the existing model obsolete.
 
  And Mahatma Gandhi said, Be the change you want to see in the 
world.
 
  One Million Awake is dedicated to helping to create this 
change... to
 assist, nurture and document the awakening and compassionate 
commitment of
 1,000,000 enlightened beings in the world. It is a non-profit 
organization
 offering people a chance to simply let us know (by sending an 
email) that
 either: I AM awake or I DO commit to the awakening of myself and
 humanity. And the very idea of One Million Awake is to spread the
 possibility of an Awakening Humanity. Each time an individual 
considers the
 concept of being Enlightened, or of an Enlightened Civilization, it 
affects
 the whole. We all move one step closer to that Reality.
 
  The Vision of One Million Awake
 
  Our Vision is to threefold:
 
  1. To document and identify (via email) 1,000,000 people who are 
willing to
 declare their Awakening or their commitment to Awakening,
 
  2. To give permission to people to recognize and declare their 
recognition
 of Awakening, and
 
  3. To unlimitedly expand the idea of 1,000,000 Enlightened Beings 
around
 the world...allowing this idea to sink deeply into Awareness, 
creating and
 expanding the possibility within the minds of everyone, the 
possibility,
 plausibility, and inevitability of an Enlightened civilization. To 
create a
 tipping point that will actually result in an Enlightened Humanity!
 
 
  It is our hope, our prayer, that you will assist in this endeavor, 
first,
 by visiting our website www.OneMillionAwake.com
 http://www.OneMillionAwake.com  and sending us your email of I 
AM or I
 DO and also by sharing this idea with others. If you have a 
website,
 considering putting a link to www.OneMillionAwake.com
 http://www.OneMillionAwake.com . Send this email to friends, to 
the press,
 or other organizations that you think could make a difference. 
Enlightenment
 does not need to be something that only the few achieve. We CAN 
create a
 'tipping point,' a hundredth monkey, an Enlightenment wave that 
will spread
 across the planet (and perhaps beyond).
 
  With Infinite Love and Gratitude,
 
  Aja

How do your definition of awakening ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
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 Turquoise, you name Sattyanand as being the source of the quote 
about 
 MMY being told to go and meditate, and not to teach.
 Did you hear this from Sattyanand himself or from someone else?
 Can you remember anything else that was said?
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  As usual when I post an honest, heartfelt, and
  *non*-putdown opinion of Maharishi, one of the
  terribly attached TBs reacts to it as if it was
  a putdown (not true), and as if she were feeling
  terribly threatened by the opinion itself (true).
  
  Allow me to clarify, for those who are less anal
  retentive about the things they believe.
  
  In the past on this forum, we have discussed 
  whether it would really *matter* to people with
  regard to the benefits they have received from
  TM if Maharishi had, in fact, had sex with a 
  bunch of his female students. The general 
  consensus was No, it wouldn't matter.
  
  Why then are so many people so attached to the
  idea that he is enlightened? 
  
  Would it really *matter* if he wasn't? Would
  the benefits they have received from practicing
  TM be any less? By their actions -- overreacting
  almost any time this subject comes up and getting
  all defensive about their belief (and that is all
  it is) that he is enlightened -- one really has 
  to assume that it *would* really matter to them. 
  My question is, Why?
  
  My completely honest, no bullshit, pondered-over-
  for-almost-40-years opinion is that Maharishi is
  *not* enlightened, and never has been. In all the
  time I spent in the TM movement, I never once 
  heard him claim that he was, and based on reports
  here, I don't think he ever has. And yet people
  persist in believing that he is. Again, why, and
  more important -- *what difference would it make?*
  
  My perception of Maharishi is of a well-meaning
  ordinary guy who had the fortunate experience of
  spending some time around someone who *was*
  enlightened, was inspired by that experience, 
  and who decided *on his own*, and against the
  advice of that teacher, to try to spread the 
  inspiration that he felt around, so that other
  people could feel as inspired as he did.
  
  This is *NOT* a putdown; it's a compliment. I 
  *commend* Maharishi for his devotion to this 
  desire to inspire. By contrast, I've worked with 
  several other teachers who periodically threw 
  tantrums and decided to *stop* teaching; Maharishi 
  never has. That, in my book, makes Maharishi far 
  more devoted to his desire to inspire others 
  than the other teachers were.
  
  I *do* believe that he went against the direct
  advice of his own teacher in making this decision
  to teach, and at his own peril. Spiritual teaching
  is a perilous task; there are pitfalls and dangers
  in it, especially for those who still have a strong
  ego that would be easy prey for these pitfalls and
  dangers. *That* is what I believe that Guru Dev 
  had in mind when he told Maharishi not to teach,
  and to follow his *own* example and spend his time
  in meditation, far away from the teaching process.
  (This information came from Sattyanand, many years
  ago.) We are talking, after all, about a guy (Guru
  Dev) who tried as hard as humanly possible to *avoid* 
  being forced into the position of being a teacher 
  himself. He *understood* the pitfalls and dangers.
  When they tried to make him the Shankaracharya, he
  literally disappeared for 21 days, hoping that they
  would change their minds and choose someone else.
  I think he had Maharishi's best interests in mind
  when he made the suggestion that he *not* teach;
  he must have known that Maharishi was not *ready*
  to teach, and *would* fall victim to the pitfalls
  and dangers that awaited him if he chose that path.
  And I believe that Maharishi did, in fact, fall
  prey to them. 
  
  But that doesn't mean that I don't feel gratitude
  to him for what he taught me. TM, as cobbled-together
  and untested as it was, helped to start me on a 
  spiritual path, and I am grateful to Maharishi for 
  having made it available. But at the same time, unlike
  most of the other TM teachers I have met, I have never 
  really considered him enlightened, and still don't.
  
  Many people would *like* Maharishi to be enlightened.
  They have various reasons for why they believe that.
  I have my own reasons for believing that he is not.
  My reasons may be correct or they may not, but it 
  doesn't really matter, because it wouldn't *matter*
  to me whether he was enlightened or not. The benefit
  for me was in learning a useful beginner's technique
  of meditation, one that left me open to more inter-
  esting experiences with other techniques and other
  traditions. Maharishi didn't need to be enlightened 
  to accomplish that. 
  
  Haven't you ever considered the possibility that 
  Maharishi coined his learning to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A bad day redefined, and captured in photos

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Aug 27, 2006, at 8:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Doesn't it kinda remind you of attempting to
  get people to come to the recent course by first
  appealing to fear, and then, when that's a disaster
  trying to make them feel shame?
 
  The fear truck is dead in the water, so they try
  to bring in a truck that they think is bigger,
  with the same result.  :-)
 
  I find myself wondering what the next step will
  be, both in the photo scenario and for the TM
  movement...
 
 I'd bet on greed.  I can just hear it...Come to the next course 
and 
 you too could be the lucky winner of...
 
 Sal

Your cynism is remarkable. And you are not the only one. Again and 
again I see this on this forum. That you did not accomplished what 
Maharishi said you could - who's fault is that ?

Regarding next cource; don't count on it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letting Go / Hanging On

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:

  I wasn't there, of course, but just from your quote
  I wouldn't be sure he was referring to attuning
  yourselves to his thinking in any case, so much as
  that eventually you would all be in the same state
  of consciousness he was.
 
 In my honest and long-considered opinion, 
 all of Maharishi's students have *always* 
 been in the same state of consciousness 
 as he is -- normal old waking state. The
 problems arise when one or more of the
 students start to achieve what the teacher 
 never has.

snore
   
   P.S.: Notice, once again, that Barry has conflated
   What MMY sez... (or in this case, What MMY
   may have meant...) with What MMY sez is true.
   
   It's really a very obvious distinction, but Barry
   simply cannot seem to make it.
   
   Could that be because the former gives him no
   opportunity to recycle his old MMY-is-a-fraud-
   and-you-stupid-TBs-believe-him mantras?
  
  Ah. As Maharishi would say, A perfect opportunity
  for the answer we have already prepared.  :-)
 
 Actually the answer Barry had already prepared is
 completely irrelevant to the point I was making.
 I was commenting on *Barry's* propensity to distort
 what TMers say in order to find opportunities to
 deliver the same shallow rants against TMers/the
 TMO/MMY, while exalting himself, over and over and
 OVER again.  He hasn't said anything new in this
 area for *years*, and the elaborate fantasy that
 follows is no exception.
 
 snip
  They're convinced that their view of Maharishi 
  is true and incontestable, even though many of 
  these same people have never even sat in the 
  same room with him. They're convinced that *their* 
  interpretation of the things he says is right, 
  and that anyone who interprets them differently 
  is, well, wrong.
 
 Just to drive home the point, here's what I said
 to Jim again:
 
 I wasn't there, of course, but just from your quote
 I wouldn't be sure he was referring to attuning
 yourselves to his thinking in any case, so much as
 that eventually you would all be in the same state
 of consciousness he was.
 
 Yup, that sure does sound like I'm convinced that
 my interpretation of what Jim reported MMY to have
 said was right, doesn't it?  I mean, I wouldn't
 be sure is precisely synonymous with I am
 convinced, right?
 
 Barry's vacation sure seems to have helped him
 clean up the habit of nastiness he was finding so
 burdensome when he left:
 
 I have also pondered the things that others
 have said about my participation here, and have
 come to the conclusion that they were correct.
 I don't belong here; the nasty things that are
 said get to me and all too often goad me into
 participating in and perpetuating -- if not
 deepening -- the nastiness. Kirk was right in
 his decision to leave FFL, and for the right
 reasons. He found many of the discussions here,
 the way they are handled, and the mindset of
 the 'handlers' too heartbreaking for him to
 endure. He wisely moved on. I join him in that
 decision, and in the quest for people who more
 closely share my own sensibilities.

As long as the paychecks keep coming in, why should Barry stop 
posting rubbish here ? He is a young and aggressive soul that needs 
something to focus on and a father to sponsor him. He has that now; 
so he will not stop.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Becoming in Tune with One's Teacher's Thinking

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   What you are putting forth basically means
   the end of any and all honest communication.
  
  Wow, you hit that one out of the park Sal.  High five.  
  What would have taken me pages summed up in one short 
  phrase.
 
 I'm going to spend a few more words (if not pages)
 on this, because I suspect a lot of folks here 
 still don't get the exact mechanics of this partic-
 ular dodge. Since a couple of people here use it 
 often, I think it's worth explaining *how* they 
 use it.
 
 Remember what I said in recent posts about those
 who have adopted the True Believer mentality being
 actually *afraid* to put their own doubts about and
 lack of belief in the TM dogma into words? This dodge 
 is one way that they avoid having to do so.
 
 How it works is, when someone says something that
 is contrary to the TM dogma, or that challenges it,
 the people who use this dodge regularly (neither 
 of them TM teachers) reply using pretty much the 
 exact argument that we who are TM teachers were 
 taught to use in this situation. It takes the 
 form, Well, MMY says... or The TMO says... or 
 Scientific experiment X says... And whatever 
 form it takes, what they say just happens to 
 refutes the point that is contrary to the dogma, 
 or the criticism.
 
 But (and here's the brilliant part), it refutes
 it in a completely spineless way. The persons using
 this particular dodge never have to say what *they*
 believe about the point under discussion. If someone 
 comes back in response to the dodge and claims that 
 they are just parroting the TM party line (which, 
 of course, they are by quoting it), they can say, 
 Hey! *I* didn't say that. Maharishi/Hagelin/the TMO/
 whoever said that.
 
 The dodge is a way to do exactly what they've
 been taught to do -- protect the TM dogma and ideas
 at any cost -- without *appearing* to do so. When
 challenged, they always have the out of claiming,
 Hey! I was just quoting someone else...what makes
 you think that's what *I* believe?
 
 Think I'm off base? Watch, next time this dodge 
 is used here and challenged, and notice that the
 person who uses it almost *never* says what he or
 she really believes. They'll pretend to get all
 uptight about people mistakenly assuming that
 what they said is what *they* believe, pretend to
 fly into a snit over it, and then somehow in all
 the furor that they've stirred up, somehow forget
 to say what it is they really believe.

I have a suggestion; pack up and get back to alt.med where you 
belong. FFL was way more interesting before you started flooding this 
place.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here are two sites devoted to how to make crop circle photos in 
Photoshop:
 http://www.bertmonroy.com/tutorials/text/14_crop.htm
 
 http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/crop_circles.php
 
 I think some are physical and some are just photos.  
 
 I need to work on this as an image for a CD cover.
 

That photoshop example looks artificial and crude compared to the real 
thing. Anyway, when could you walk around and into a photoshop-
creation ? :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
 quoted Mark Morford, who said many wise things, the wisest
 being:
 
  Or you can easily argue that we are discovering shocking 
  new wonders every day but we have merely lost the ability 
  to be surprised, that given our media and our movies and 
  our terrific level of sad jaded ennui, nothing short of 
  giant amorphous aliens landing here in vagina-shaped 
  spacecraft and declaring the disastrous experiment over 
  and ushering everyone back into the jar would shake us 
  from our intellectual and spiritual lethargy.
  . . .
  
  Maybe the dolphins already know. But we just haven't 
  learned to listen.
 
 Mark, in his usual funny way, nails the same issue
 I noticed when catching up with a few weeks of
 FFL. One of the phrases that struck me while doing
 this was, Fairfield Life seems to be the kind of
 place where people come to talk about the spiritual
 experiences of others when they're not having any 
 of their own. 
 
 So many people are searching for something *flashy*,
 something extraordinary that will shake them out
 of the boredom of their lives. Crop circles, true
 levitation, golden glowing visions of Brahman 
 dancing a jig, saviors showing up and speaking
 all the languages of Earth at once as they tell
 us what to do and how to do it. 
 
 In other words, childish fantasies along the lines
 of waiting with 'bated breath for the next Star Wars
 movies so that the special effects can take us out
 of ourselves for a couple of hours, and we don't
 have to remember that most of the other hours have
 been pretty boring, because *we* have grown boring,
 because *we* have grown bored.
 
 I'd suspect that the great revelation Mark is talk-
 ing about will be far more individual, and far more
 Zen. It'll consist of people finally noticing the
 wonder of breathing in and breathing out, and of
 the sound of the wind in the trees, and the way light
 dances on the surface of water as they walk along a
 river. It'll involve an appreciation of the sound of
 children's laughter and our own laughter, not some
 big booming Maitreya-voice from the sky telling us
 more stuff to convince us that we know things.
 
 You are not very well informed. My suggestion is that you brush up 
your knowledge before you write.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Becoming in Tune with One's Teacher's Thinking

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 [...]
  IMO Maharishi feels betrayed by those who don't do 
  everything he says because *he* didn't do what Guru 
  Dev told him to do. He was told to go off and 
  meditate, and *not* to teach, and he did the opposite. 
 
 It is an interesting theory, but where does this info about what 
Gurudev told MMY to do or 
 not do come from originally?

Someone who is desperate to destroy the Movement ?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/24/06 9:54 PM, matrixmonitor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:---
  
   
  
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton2006a
.html
   
   Crop designs have reached a new level of sophistication this 
season.
  
 How come most of these happen in the UK? Has anyone ever been caught 
in the
 act of making one?

It has been filmed. Small lights in the size of approximately a 
football creates the design within seconds. 






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