[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi from today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi was shown from today on Maharishi channel. He looks well. It would likely replay. He looked old and fragile to me. His voice seemed weak too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/7/07 11:33:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: riceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds. Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their eye's closed. That must be it. Iâm not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. Anyone remember anything about that? The land was leased from the Indian government because it is in a National forest. Evidently the lease expired or M decided that the place had been out grown and was not needed any more. Yes, it has been back in the hands of the Indian government for several years now. I was there in March and the forest department people are beginning to cut away the overgrown areas and have actually renovated two small houses. Everything else is totally a mess. Meditating inside MMY's old house is still nice and there is still a very nice vibe there ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Speculation on the Genesis of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:08 AM, martyboi wrote: I once heard SSRS say that Maharishi was capable of the deepest, longest and most profound meditation of any Saint he ever met. Interesting story. Dhyana (meditation) is great, but samadhi is something altogether different. It's not unusual for someone to be able to sit in meditation for many hours and not have samadhi. This is true Vaj,but it sounds like you are assuming that MMY does not experience samadhi. If thats true, thats a big assumption on your part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The mechanics of True Believerism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: From the TM Free blog: Why TM is Dangerous and Blocks the Path to Liberation Meditate on any mantra long enough and you will awaken kundalini. Add some breathing exercises and some asanas and it makes it even more likely. If that doesn't work, one can use an occult yogic technique like samyama. Such an awakening however is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing if one has been gifted with a true Master, one who can guide you through all the possible errors and handle all the different types of students. One who knows the techniques for a balanced awakening and how to correct imbalances when they occur. It's a curse if one is left alone to fend for oneself when something goes awry. Kundalini naturally has several routes it can take. Most people have only heard of one, the sushumna nadi. But actually sushumna nadi is not the easiest path for kundalini to take. There are other routes which offer a path of least resistance and all of these paths have one thing in common: they never complete themselves. They are dead ends. They never resolve into the bindu which is the source of the experience of Unity, the One. Once one opens an incomplete kundalini path, without expert guidance and assistance, it's virtually impossible to get out of this stuck position. It is highly unlikely such a person will achieve liberation in this lifetime. In fact, one will take that particular deflected awakening into their next existence since kundalini awakening follows the student from life to life. Being in such a position of suspension has it's advantages for the false master as it virtually assures compliance, dependence and someone who's almost guaranteed to hang around for the next best thing. This is really nothing new, tantric masters of the vama marga, the left hand path, have known of such control techniques for centuries. Many have heard the oft-repeated yogic maxim avoid the siddhis, they are nothing but trouble. Few understand the reason. Certain meditational methods aimed at such siddhis will force the kundalini up an errant path were it can activate the brain centers which in turn activate the siddhis (often the vajra-nadi). Once one has, they are trapped. And sometimes that is just the right formula for the master. Then he can utilize any powers the student achieves, however minor, for his own ends. If he can get groups of students to do so, all the better for his agenda. Kundalini shakti which takes it's proper path, the sushumna nadi and it's sequentially finer paths, citrini nadi and brahma nadi, is capable of delivering true spiritual experience in a relatively short time. It does not take decades. What are the signs of an incorrect rising? They are many and they vary depending on the specific path kundalini takes. But a few would include obsessive or personality disorders which go away when one stops meditating but return when one continues, depression, fascination with channelling or other occult powers, feelings of heaviness or lethargy, strange food allergies, moodiness or sensitivity to others, the need to isolate oneself from others, a sense of being stuck, the inability to separate from the group or function in the outer world, physical pain, feeling compelled to wait for the next thing the master says or does rather than gain a sense of balanced independence, spiritual experiences which come and then go, phobias, hypochondria, etc. It's a very workable formula for a manipulative guru intent on something other than your best interests. Sound familiar anyone? Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:33:00 PM Are you another TM casualty? What a jerk! Whoever posted this, and other anti TM posts I've read on Fairfield Life, always have this, I'm more holy than you ring and are fundamentalists in themselves. Whoever you are, don't you realize that there are many, many people that have had true Self- Realization through the TM path, which not only makes your post totally irrevelevant, but more importantly shows that it is not necessarily true. The TM path has come directly out of the Shankaracharya tradition. Are you going to try to tell me that the Shankaracharya tradition is not valid either? Why can't you just keep your opinions to yourself? Whatever you believe is fine and I can respect it. But why waste your time trying to take down someone else's spiritual beliefs? Does it make you feel better about yourself because you think you have the true way and you're going to help all of us poor souls who have been deluded by Maharishi? Thanks, but no thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Energol-ma
Hi everybody, Just returned from India and while I was there I picked up this energol stuff from MAPI (not available in America). Does anybody know what its for? It was pricey, especially for India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: There were some interesting claims by Chopra. He claimed to have learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the Shankaracharya in 1980. That just sounds so ODD. I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, OK, in '84 I graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the way and he is embellishing his memories a bit. Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high opinion of Deepak, so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he was speaking off the cuff. Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in making it sound like he does. Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. Deepak teaches his versions of the sidhis based on the Shiva Sutras. He worked with brahmins from Benares Hindu University and the Shankaracharya and some local pundits in America (or at least he gives credit to all of those people). But it was not in 1980. It was after he left the TMO. He also used the same sources to develop his meditation technique, which he calls Primordial Sound meditation (which is NOT the same technique that he taught in his TM years). Primordial Sound meditation is the same as TM, but he uses a different pool of mantras. His version of the sidhis is different from the TM sidhis in that he uses different sutras and uses them differently. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: IAM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 10/14/06 4:44 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody tried Amma's meditation? I am a trained teacher of it and have been practicing it regularly for several years. Info on it http://www.amma.org/events/iam.html and other sites. I¹ll be happy to answer questions if you have any. I practice it once a day in the evening, before my TM-style meditation using Amma¹s mantra. The latter is always more profound if I do IAM first. Well, I do the other way round: first TM, and then, instead of the TM-siddhis, for instance my own PG-meditation (saMyama, sort of, on the pineal gland; Sorry, *pituitary* gland! inspired by Shiva suutras: naasikaantarmadhya-saMyamaad...) Could you explain more about what you specifically do and about the shiva sutras? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any externally obvious signs. Namaste Vaj Ji, Please tell me what exactly are the signs of Sri Vidya? External ritual. Namaste Vaj ji Please tell me of this external ritual? For example puja? Samaya practice is internal (i.e. you might not necessarily see such a practitioner doing anything obvious externally). Please tell me is this samaya the same tm-samya? Not finding a secret practice on a web site is no indication that it is not practiced, nor should we be surprised it is not practiced everywhere. Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya was practised by Adi Shankara and at His established mutts. You might want to look at what I did originally say: Ok. Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. i must politely take exception with your statement. As when i *google* your Rajareshsvari name i come with nothing!! However if i *google* the name i told you- Tripurasundari i come with 16,000 sites related to Devi Tripurasundari http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundari Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari. (0.58 seconds It has a long association with these traditions, esp. the southern seat. I gave you the link to the southern seat here it is again. Why not email the southern seat directly and ask them if the Shankaracharya there at Kanchi worships a sri yantra'?? 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html I'm guessing what's confusing you is that they refer to it as a Sri Chakra. FYI this is synonymous with Sri Yantra. No Sir. As i pointed out to you before.., when Adi Shankara presented gifts to Devi Tripurasundari at the temple in Kanchi. He gave Her earrings as gifts the earrings were called Sri Chakra. Please check the wedsite i provided for the Southern Seat. http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html The worship(or devotion/bhakti) of Sri Devi Tripurasundari is related to Sri Chakra, and practrised in the Kanchi mutt. The devotion/bahkti done to Sri Tripurasundari involves puja(or Arti) and homage(or prayer) and RoopDhyana(or rememberance of Her divine form) and does not involve secret rituals. The sri yantra are mandalas painted on concrete or stone or paper or made with sand-(as in the Tibetan Buddhist practice of sand mandalas) and involve a mental concentration on a yantra. Perhaps you might want to look at the description of what Adi Shankara carved into the rock there (at the Sharada temple site) Where? and what Vidyaranya installed at numerous other places. BTW, just a casual glance at itineraries shows participation in Sri Vidya rituals. Please- *Specifically Identify from those itineraries which are sri yanta rituals? I want to know what you are calling sri yantra rituals. I think you're just playing games. I think you are playing games, and attempting to get me stare at *VERY Artistic Mandalas* that my lovely wife paints on concrete for celebrations at our local Hindu temple. Are those mandalas my wife paints part of some sri yantra ritual? Maybe you should ask her? Well on occassion i assist her, as some are very large. However when the- frequent So. Indian visitors(some are pundits from the Sri Meenakshi) come to our temple they view her painted mandalas. While they comment on the significance of her manadals, they never ascribe any sort of worship to them! Just what FFL needed--another game player. Excuse me if you are actually ignorant in this area, Sir Vaj Ji, I am not ignorant. I just don't by into your whole-, tantric / shankaracharya / sri yantra secret rituals thing. I have been to 2 Shankaracharyas(1 north 1 south) and 2 living disciples of Sri BrahmanandJi Maharaj and 1 Jagadguru Acharya (my spiritual master). And, in 20 years i never heard of any secret teaching of sri yantra!!..i assure you I am not ignorant in these areas. LOL, what makes you think you'd hear of a secret teaching? LOL, What makes you think they are secret teachings?.. i can find sri yantra worship on the internet right now!! Even SBS sent ripe students elsewhere for inner instruction in Sri Vidya. Where did you find this information? I have spoken to 3 living disciples of Sri Brahmanandji-(SBS) and none of them said anything like what you claim. In fact if your are on the east coast- New York, New York you can look up a living disciple yourself- H.H.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Hi Vaj, Where can I find out about Sri Vidya and the worship of the Sri Yantra? By the way, there is a reference to Brahmanandaji worshipping a Sri Yantra made of rubies or some other precious gems in Swami Rama's Book on the Himalayan Masters. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: cardemaister wrote: authfriend judy stein wrote: shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: snip Snip snip Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess Namaste Vaj Ji, I must politley take exception with your comments, are saying Sri Rasheshwari or Sri Rageshwari? As, both are the same name for one Devi / Goddess. Neither. Namaste Vaj Ji, I most politely, in case you are intersted in the facts.. Sri Adi Shankara while at His origianl mutt at Kanchi, one day presented a gift of earrings to the Temple Diety- Devi Sri Tripurasundari. The earrings are the Sri Yantra itself and the mantras are inscribed uopn those earrings, that were presented by Adi Shankara to the Devi Tripurasundari. The Goddess / Devi Lalita Tripurasundari that Adi Shankara presented His gift to was His Divine Beloved at that particular temple in Kanchi. But Adi Shankar's true Divine Beloved Bhagawan w as Him-Govinda to whom He-Adi Shankar wrote- 'Bhajo Govindam'... Nonetheless there are Sri Vidya texts attributed to Adi Shankara-- whether we believe that they actually were written by him is another question. Some accept this, others do not. worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. Please find me *ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. Why? The practice of Sri Vidya in the Shank. tradition goes back to Shankara himself and is continued up to the present. No it does not. Please find ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. And why would I expect to see such a thing on a website? Seems a 1). Puri Peeth has celebrated Sri Krishna Janmashtami every year with a chariot/Rath Yatra procession of Sri JagganathJi(Sri Krishna) for thousands of years. In fact Adi Shankara set this math as a Vaishanvite monastery, Puri Peeth is not even advait vedanta!! check out the pics http://www.purionline.com/puri/ratha-yatra-2006/gallery.htm Sure doesn't look like worship of a Sri Yantra http://www.purionline.com/puri/ 2). Sringeri Peeth special functions and celebrations http://www.sringerisharadapeetham.org/html/Guide/2006engfest.html Nothing in there regarding a celebration related to worshipping a Sri Yantra. Although there was-, 'Sri Krishna Jayanti' celebration on 08/15/06. 3). Dwarka Peeth- Sri Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, highly doubtful he worships a Sri Yantra. 4). Jyosimutt/ Badrikashram- Sri Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, highly doubtful he worships a Sri Yantra. 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html silly proposition--esp. since a number of us on this list have been initiated into various aspects of Sri Vidya via the Shank. tradition! Namaste Sir Vaj Ji Which living legimate Shankarachraya were you initiated by? A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. Stop making this crap up.., would you please. Just the facts. Sri Rajarajewari is a form of Lalita. .just (*deeply ocnfused*) facts..and Her full name is Devi Lalita Tripurasundari. Yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 10/1/06 5:05 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: Anyway, unless someone can get records from a private offshore account we don't know how the pundit donations have been used. *** You know how the pundit donations have been used when you see bldgs housing pundits all over India -- here's a photo of the one in the Brahmastan of India: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html The income from the $87 million donated to the pundit project in India can't be more than ~$8 million a year, even if they're getting top returns in their investments. This is a very modest sum when you're talking about housing and supporting many thousands of pundits. how hard would it be for the TMO to publish comprehensive list with photos of all such facilities, if others exist, along with what it cost to build each one? That would dispel all this speculation about embezzlement by the nephews. ** Aside from a handful of posters on this list, and some TMexers, who thinks that the interest from the $87 mil raised on the millionaires' course is not going to do pundit stuff in India, as promised? I don't hear any complaints from the people who donated, and the Kaplans recently gave another $16 million for the project, which says that the people who gave to do the pundit thing in India are confident that that is what is happening. There are people who think that the U.S. never landed people on the moon, despite the overwhelming evidence that they did, and those who are not satisfied that the TMO is spending the money on legit pundit projects are similarly not going to be satisfied with any documentation. It may be the case that some administrators of the TM movement in India are driving Mercedes (instead of Tatas or whatever that the local junk car is), but this really does not mean anything -- the TMO is doing the right thing in India to restore Vedic culture, and if you don't believe it, well, then you don't believe it and you can put together a documentary for PBS like those 6% of folks who don't think the U.S. put astronauts on the moon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations The TMO is going for the effect of restoring Vedic culture -- not for convincing people who are only interested in slinging mud that they are wasting their time. What is this about the Kaplans recently giving $16 Million? Where did you get that info from? Doesn't sound like anything the Kaplans would do now after all that has happenned with them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY on Rudraksha Beads
Does anyone have knowledge of any specific comments Maharishi has made regarding the benefits or uses of rudraksha beads? The only thing I ever heard was on my TTC in La Antilla where he said they were good for the body. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
If Guru Dev told Maharishi not to teach, why would Satyanand have joined Maharishi, knowing full well that the whole TM movement was against his masters wishes. Its one thing if Maharishi disobeyed Guru Dev, but its another thing that two disciples (MMY and Satyanand) would disobey Guru Dev's instructions. It doesn't make sense to me that this could happen and therefore seems to take away from the credibility of this idea that has been floating around that Guru Dev told Maharishi not to teach. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I guess my questions for the group as a whole are: 1. *Is* it important to you to believe that Maharishi was/is enlightened? At the time, I think it made me feel really special that *I* was so special as to have found a great teacher. Personally, I think the mystical aura Mahesh cultivated around himself, quite intentionally, both stroked his ego and enhances his marketability. 2. If so, *why*? As above. 3. What *difference* do you think that would have made in his ability to teach you what you have learned from him? That's a matter of what I know now, isn't it. I really admired the compelling structure, uniformity and graspableness of the way he taught. *** With respect to what you say below, I kind of agree. It's one thing to know your stuff, it's another to let it ripen (and I am talking about this business of spiritual stuff we perceive in what little we know of Guru Dev). Without being established in that purity of the perfectly controlled ego, the teacher is always at great risk. Mahesh may indeed have felt he had fooled Guru Dev (oh, see how absolutely devoted I am to you! I am so wonderful.) But I suspect Guru Dev could see through the devotion or at least the appearance of the great actor playing god and perceive the risky business of the ego beneath that. It's good to hear what Sattyanand had to say. He was there. He certainly knew. If only someone could have interviewed him the way Mahesh interviewed people: picked their brains and got everything. Does anyone have more detail on what Sattyanand said - context - who did he say it to? JohnY I *do* believe that he went against the direct advice of his own teacher in making this decision to teach, and at his own peril. Spiritual teaching is a perilous task; there are pitfalls and dangers in it, especially for those who still have a strong ego that would be easy prey for these pitfalls and dangers. *That* is what I believe that Guru Dev had in mind when he told Maharishi not to teach, and to follow his *own* example and spend his time in meditation, far away from the teaching process. (This information came from Sattyanand, many years ago.) We are talking, after all, about a guy (Guru Dev) who tried as hard as humanly possible to *avoid* being forced into the position of being a teacher himself. He *understood* the pitfalls and dangers. When they tried to make him the Shankaracharya, he literally disappeared for 21 days, hoping that they would change their minds and choose someone else. I think he had Maharishi's best interests in mind when he made the suggestion that he *not* teach; he must have known that Maharishi was not *ready* to teach, and *would* fall victim to the pitfalls and dangers that awaited him if he chose that path. And I believe that Maharishi did, in fact, fall prey to them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rmy108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I forgot to ask... If Guru Dev told MMY not to teach, why have the shankarachaya's (Shantanand, Vishnu Devanand, and Vasudevanand) supported MMY and his movement? Surely if Satyanand suppossedly knew Guru Dev told MMY not to teach, these other disciples would have found this out. And don't tell me its because MMY was giving lots of money to support them. I know for a fact from when I was in India a few years ago, that MMY is giving the current shankaracharya (Vasudevanand) very little. If Guru Dev told Maharishi not to teach, why would Satyanand have joined Maharishi, knowing full well that the whole TM movement was against his masters wishes. Its one thing if Maharishi disobeyed Guru Dev, but its another thing that two disciples (MMY and Satyanand) would disobey Guru Dev's instructions. It doesn't make sense to me that this could happen and therefore seems to take away from the credibility of this idea that has been floating around that Guru Dev told Maharishi not to teach. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I guess my questions for the group as a whole are: 1. *Is* it important to you to believe that Maharishi was/is enlightened? At the time, I think it made me feel really special that *I* was so special as to have found a great teacher. Personally, I think the mystical aura Mahesh cultivated around himself, quite intentionally, both stroked his ego and enhances his marketability. 2. If so, *why*? As above. 3. What *difference* do you think that would have made in his ability to teach you what you have learned from him? That's a matter of what I know now, isn't it. I really admired the compelling structure, uniformity and graspableness of the way he taught. *** With respect to what you say below, I kind of agree. It's one thing to know your stuff, it's another to let it ripen (and I am talking about this business of spiritual stuff we perceive in what little we know of Guru Dev). Without being established in that purity of the perfectly controlled ego, the teacher is always at great risk. Mahesh may indeed have felt he had fooled Guru Dev (oh, see how absolutely devoted I am to you! I am so wonderful.) But I suspect Guru Dev could see through the devotion or at least the appearance of the great actor playing god and perceive the risky business of the ego beneath that. It's good to hear what Sattyanand had to say. He was there. He certainly knew. If only someone could have interviewed him the way Mahesh interviewed people: picked their brains and got everything. Does anyone have more detail on what Sattyanand said - context - who did he say it to? JohnY I *do* believe that he went against the direct advice of his own teacher in making this decision to teach, and at his own peril. Spiritual teaching is a perilous task; there are pitfalls and dangers in it, especially for those who still have a strong ego that would be easy prey for these pitfalls and dangers. *That* is what I believe that Guru Dev had in mind when he told Maharishi not to teach, and to follow his *own* example and spend his time in meditation, far away from the teaching process. (This information came from Sattyanand, many years ago.) We are talking, after all, about a guy (Guru Dev) who tried as hard as humanly possible to *avoid* being forced into the position of being a teacher himself. He *understood* the pitfalls and dangers. When they tried to make him the Shankaracharya, he literally disappeared for 21 days, hoping that they would change their minds and choose someone else. I think he had Maharishi's best interests in mind when he made the suggestion that he *not* teach; he must have known that Maharishi was not *ready* to teach, and *would* fall victim to the pitfalls and dangers that awaited him if he chose that path. And I believe that Maharishi did, in fact, fall prey to them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Peter wrote: SSRS has a procedure called the Eternity Process that is done on a one to one basis with someone trained by him in the process. You experientially allow yourself to unstress specific samskaras from past lives. I did it about 2 years ago. Is this a widely available, fee-based process? Are there prerequisites? There's a guy, named Ron Scolastico, who used to do a lot of; 'Past Life Readings', for people in the Fairfield comminuty. Here's his website: http://www.ronscolastico.com/ Has anyone had any experience with Ron? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Shri Shri Ravi Shankar/Sell Techniques of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- rmy108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:56 PM, randymeltzer wrote: What is the official position of the art of living organization regarding whether Maharishi approves of what SSRS is doing? I tried to ask him directly once and he skirted the question. I'm sure you've all heard the quote that MMY said of SSRS candy coated poison I propose that the oft quoted words of M. where he says (gross paraphrase) that those who know how to teach TM should go ahead and do it as long they do it correctly, is actually meant to refer to SSRS, not independent non-recertified TM teachers (as is often presupposed). Indeed, after this event, SSRS held a Woodstock of pranayama and meditation instruction in India where he initiated more people into inner space than any known human in historical times: millions of humans. All at once. I think M. quietly sanctioned the whole event. SSRS loves MMY dearly and MMY loves SSRS dearly. As SSRS said once about gurus, those who know, know and those who don't, don't. IF SSRS loves MMY so much, how come its never mentioned in any of their publicity materials that he was MMY's disciple? He is MMY's disciple, not was. As to why he doesn't say anything, unless he is directly asked by someone, you'll have to ask him and MMY about that. Anything I or you would say would just be speculation at best and projection at worst. I agree that it is speculation, but it seems to me that if he were really still MMY's disciple that he would be proud enough of that fact to use it to his advantage. MMY is world famous, as is TM. By mentioning that, it would give him credibility in some people's mind. But besides that, it is traditional in India to always ,at least mention your master. Look at how MMY always does that. It seems that there is an assumption among SSRS teachers that he has a positive relationship with MMY, but yet mothing official has ever been said. I think this could be a belief system among his followers (especially TM people who are with him), so they don't have to deal with the conflict of, what if he is, in fact, not approved of by MMY? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Shri Shri Ravi Shankar/Sell Techniques of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:56 PM, randymeltzer wrote: What is the official position of the art of living organization regarding whether Maharishi approves of what SSRS is doing? I tried to ask him directly once and he skirted the question. I'm sure you've all heard the quote that MMY said of SSRS candy coated poison I propose that the oft quoted words of M. where he says (gross paraphrase) that those who know how to teach TM should go ahead and do it as long they do it correctly, is actually meant to refer to SSRS, not independent non-recertified TM teachers (as is often presupposed). Indeed, after this event, SSRS held a Woodstock of pranayama and meditation instruction in India where he initiated more people into inner space than any known human in historical times: millions of humans. All at once. I think M. quietly sanctioned the whole event. SSRS loves MMY dearly and MMY loves SSRS dearly. As SSRS said once about gurus, those who know, know and those who don't, don't. IF SSRS loves MMY so much, how come its never mentioned in any of their publicity materials that he was MMY's disciple? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you gotten paid?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard this rumor that prefab buildings for the Peace Palaces on on boats as we speak to the US for various site around the country? How true is this anyway to verify it? From where I dont know. I guess time will tell. Do boats take longer than pundits? Also does anyone know of anyone out there who is getting paid and who is initiating? Or who has hired the 10 empoloyees to do whatever? Or are people once again looking for land sites as I have been hearing that one brings me back a ways in time. I heard one story of some rich person in Sacremento area or wont say for sure some S city in CA and was willing to pay teachers so 100 went out to West coast. Any truth to this? Someone I had lunch with said her friend from FF went and said in an email that she had a big decision to make soon so she guessed that maybe they were not getting paid but was not sure as the gal did not say. I cant say I know anyone first hand doing the Peace Palace teaching thing that I can ask Have you gotten paid? I know a couple recerts who got paid for 2 months and then told to be self sufficient. The enlightenment centers in malls idea seems to be dead. I have heard of a few initiations resulting from the project (in wealthy areas). Last week MMY told all recerts in US to go to vedic city and work on raising money for peace palaces from proper vastu and they were all making plans to do that, though yesterday he apparently changed his mind and said they could stay in their area as long as they lived in east facing home. The 100 recerts on west coast sounds fishy as there aren't that many of them in the field in the whole country. The prefab palaces will probably get here about the same time as the pundits, if you know what I mean. Two whole months - wow. Thank goodness I have an east facing home! JohnY I was just in Faifield last week and visited the pundit housing area. The buildings are still there. A small Teacher Training Course has been there for 3 months and will continue to be there for another month To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY and Recluse Mantra
A week or so again one of Maharishi's American former secretaries said in his post that during his time he was given a recluse mantra. I didn't Maharishi did that. Does anyone know more about this? Do Purusha and Mother Divine participants have these mantras? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
