[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[awoelflebater]

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen 
activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited 
time. 
 

 Is there an echo in here or do you just feel like repeating what I am saying - 
as if we are somehow in disagreement? YES SHARE, THESE ROUNDERS ARE ROUNDING 
HAPPILY AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
 

 
 
 On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, "awoelflebater@..."  
wrote:
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!
 

 That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is 
nothing else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, 
the conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it 
comes to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get 
it now?
 

 
 
 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelflebater@..." 
 wrote:
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
 
 


 









 

 

 
 
 

 




 
 
 
 


 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Share Long]

Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen 
activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited 
time. 





On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!

That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is nothing 
else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, the 
conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it comes 
to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get it now?





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelflebater@..."  
wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative 
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks 
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, 
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very 
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of 
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!

What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.


 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 [Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] –  ] 

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[awoelflebater]

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!
 

 That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is 
nothing else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, 
the conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it 
comes to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get 
it now?
 

 
 
 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelflebater@..." 
 wrote:
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
 
 


 









 

 

 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Share Long]

Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative 
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks 
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, 
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very 
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of 
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!

What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.


 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 [Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] –  ] 

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[awoelflebater]

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
 
 


 









 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[s3raphita]

Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
 
 


 









 

 

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[dhamiltony2k5]

 [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to 
be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important 
spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and 
revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and 
religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati!
 -Buck, in the Dome 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never 
conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th 
Century American spiritual experience and community.
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now 
a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the 
practices of Quietism. 
 -Buck 
 

 Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.  

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
 
http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
 

 









 

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[doctordumbass]

Right, that is the clarity needed to see the combinations of the gunas, in 
activity. The underlying mechanics. 
 

 Collectively, we've added a lot of rajas, and now sattva.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion 
in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the 
state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state 
of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending 
the field of the 3 gunas. 
 

 

 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM
 Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 
 
   Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved 
formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome 
foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in 
Maharishi's translation of the BG.
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote: 
Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 
 
 From: "doctordumbass@..."  To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: 
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? 
   Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, 
given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical 
advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a 
way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. 
That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if 
human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic 
one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical 
advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. 
  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote: Pretty much 
guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 
 Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield 
with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me 
even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark. 
 




 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 




 
 

 
 



 
 
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Share Long]

Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in 
the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state 
of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of 
sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the 
field of the 3 gunas. 





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, 
or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation 
for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's 
translation of the BG.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 





 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible.

So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be 
technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must 
also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR 
combinations.

That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress.

In terms of here,
 that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive 
force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern 
conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing 
ourselves up.



 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 

Share wrote:


And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord 
Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even 
further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[doctordumbass]

Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, 
or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation 
for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's 
translation of the BG.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 
 

 

 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 
 
   Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, 
given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical 
advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a 
way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. 
That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if 
human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic 
one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical 
advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. 
  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote: Pretty much 
guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 
 Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield 
with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me 
even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark. 
 




 

 
 

 
 




 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Share Long]

Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible.

So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be 
technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must 
also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR 
combinations.

That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress.

In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a 
Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our 
modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, 
blowing ourselves up.



 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 

Share wrote:


And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord 
Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even 
further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[doctordumbass]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Share Long]

Seraphita, there are those who deny that the Holocaust ever happened. And there 
are those, like Eisenhower who would deny the deniers. These are quotes of his 
in wikipedia:


The same day[19] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I 
have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first 
came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and 
ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had 
known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain 
however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of 
shock.
I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to
 be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these 
things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that 
"the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda". Some members of 
the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only
 did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent 
communications to both Washington and 
London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group 
of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national 
legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed 
before the American and the British publics in a fashion that would 
leave no room for cynical doubt.[20]
snip
The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and 
bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, 
where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by 
starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would 
get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a 
position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the 
future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 
"propaganda."[21]



 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  


Imagine walking into a German museum and finding a book called "The Holocaust 
Myth Exploded"!

[FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[turquoiseb]

s3raphita said:

Talking  about atrocities reminds me that when I was last in Tokyo I
visited the  (controversial) war museum there. In the attached shop I
saw an  English-language book with the title "The Nanking Massacre: a
Modern  Myth" claiming the 1937 slaughter of 300,000 Chinese civilians
was  groundless enemy propaganda. Imagine walking into a German museum
and  finding a book called "The Holocaust Myth Exploded"!

Not to perpetuate this depressing topic too much, but your mention of
the Japanese Revisionist History museum reminded me of a memorial that
*doesn't* gloss over past events and pretend they never happened.

Bruce Cockburn wrote a song in 1999 called "Postcards From Cambodia
  ," about his visit to
that country and others in Southeast  Asia trying to combat the
still-present-today danger of land mines left over from the war(s). One
of the most poignant images he saw was this tower, in Phnom Penh:



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Phnom_Penh,_Killing_F\
ields_of_Choeung_Ek_(6226142426).jpg


Looks pretty, doesn't it...even serene. Until you get close, and realize
that it is filled with five thousand human skulls from the genocide
perpetrated by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. The song/poem at the link
above (and lyrics below) conveys Bruce's reaction, both to that past
horror and its present-day legacy -- seven *million* land mines still
laying wait to kill anyone who steps on them, and none of the countries
who laid them willing to remove them. States that have so far flatly
refused to sign the International Treaty To Ban Land Mines include the
countries that still make (and make money from) them: the United States,
China, Korea, the Russian Federation, India, and Israel.


Bet you won't find this on Global Good News, eh? Only talk about the
glorious Age of Enlightenment that Maharishi created...





Abe Lincoln once turned to somebody and said,
"Do you ever find yourself talking with the dead?"

There are three tiny deaths heads carved out of mammoth tusk
on the ledge in my bathroom
They grin at me in the morning when I'm taking a leak,
but they say very little.

Outside Phnom Penh there's a tower, glass paneled,
maybe ten meters high
filled with skulls from the killing fields
Most of them lack the lower jaw
so they don't exactly grin
but they whisper, as if from a great distance,
of pain, and of pain left far behind

Eighteen thousand empty eyeholes peering out at the four directions

Electric fly buzz, green moist breeze
Bone-colored Brahma bull grazes wet-eyed,
hobbled in hollow of mass grave
In the neighboring field a small herd
of young boys plays soccer,
their laughter swallowed in expanding silence

This is too big for anger,
it's too big for blame.
We stumble through history so
humanly lame
So I bow down my head
Say a prayer for us all
That we don't fear the spirit
when it comes to call

The sun will soon slide down into the far end of the ancient reservoir.
Orange ball merging with its water-borne twin
below air-brushed edges of cloud.
But first, it spreads itself,

a golden scrim behind fractal sweep of swooping fly catchers.
Silhouetted dark green trees,
blue horizon

The rains are late this year.
The sky has no more tears to shed.
But from the air Cambodia remains
a disc of wet green, bordered by bright haze.
Water-filled bomb craters, sun streaked gleam
stitched in strings across patchwork land and
march west toward the far hills of Thailand.
Macro analog of Ankor Wat's  temple walls
intricate bas-relief of thousand-year-old battles
pitted with AK rounds

And under the sign of the seven headed cobra
the naga who sees in all directions
seven million landmines lie in terraced grass, in paddy, in bush
(Call it a minescape now)

Sally holds the beggar's hand and cries
at his scarred up face and absent eyes
and right leg gone from above the knee

Tears spot the dust on the worn stone causeway
whose sculpted guardians row on row
Half frown, half smile, mysterious, mute.

And this is too big for anger.
It's too big for blame
We stumble through history so
humanly lame.
So I bow down my head,
say a prayer for us all.
That we don't fear the spirit when it comes to call.

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[s3raphita]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Richard J. Williams]

Is there in fact, any barbed wire around the pundit compound?

On 10/6/2013 10:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys
> sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers
> around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe
> Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run
> cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will
> house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter
> times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall
> asleep along about 5 pm.

That last line is very funny. LOL.

The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison.
It's already got the barbed wire, after all.

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Michael Jackson]

very true - when I was there I found the majority of townspeople were really 
fine men and women - most of the farmers I met reminded me a good deal of the 
farmers I knew from South Carolina plain, unassuming folk with level heads and 
decent hearts. Maybe I just got lucky in the meeting folks department, but that 
is my assessment of the folks I knew - townies that is. 

There were a lot of good folk at MIU too, but they were mightily 
counterbalanced by the donkeys that ran MIU - but anyway.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
That's actually pretty funny, MJ, but Fairfield is a lot more than MUM. 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell MUM and its 
adjacent properties off, the various farmers around there might get some of the 
land, maybe Monroe Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run 
cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will house a lot of 
cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter times, the farmers will always 
wonder why the sheep fall asleep along about 5 pm.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.  



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Michael Jackson]

Oh, man I didn't think of that one!





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys
> sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers
> around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe
> Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run
> cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will
> house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter
> times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall
> asleep along about 5 pm.

That last line is very funny. LOL.

The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison.
It's already got the barbed wire, after all.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[feste37]

[FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys
> sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers
> around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe
> Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run
> cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will
> house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter
> times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall
> asleep along about 5 pm.

That last line is very funny. LOL.

The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison.
It's already got the barbed wire, after all.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[Michael Jackson]

Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell MUM and its 
adjacent properties off, the various farmers around there might get some of the 
land, maybe Monroe Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run 
cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will house a lot of 
cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter times, the farmers will always 
wonder why the sheep fall asleep along about 5 pm.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.  



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[feste37]

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

[awoelflebater]