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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I think its probably because most reputable scientists realize the so called science behind the ME effect studies, plus the pseudo science that claims to prove the spiffy effect of vastu veda (plus the ill effects of south facing entrances) are such nonsense they don't want to bother refuting them. Magical houses wouldn't get a look in but the ME research isn't taken seriously because there is no good explanation for why we should throw out our understanding of physics, neurology, sociology - pretty much everything really - and replace them with a wishy-washy and underexplained theory like consciousness being the unified field. No one can really say what collective consciousness is nor how coherence could affect it and at a distance too! Action at a distance isn't explained and contradicts how we think the universe works. And how things that are clearly just human subjective feelings could be transmitted by the subatomic world is ignored in TM literature, the Meissner effect doesn't work as it applies to supercooled magnetic fields and not the human brain in any way. It's all too vague to warrant lab time especially as the claimed effects can happen anyway regardless of whether there is a WPA on. To predict a lessening of war deaths you have to know how many are going to die anyway. So until world peace happens or someone levitates I doubt it will be taken seriously.
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I agree although I do think that things can affect other things at a distance and I am willing to believe that good vibes no matter who generates them can have a positive influence - you know its kind of like going into someone's home where the place is opulent but the energy makes you want to run out of there or go into a home of some blue collar working stiff and the atmosphere is so comfortable you wanna stay a long time. It reminds me of the person who said they were the last reporter to interview the Big M: Inside the spacious compound, all the men (I saw no women) wore identical fawn-colored suits and disconcerting, far-away smiles. They were polite enough, but the place seemed utterly devoid of warmth. For myself I just can't get past the idea that the Dome activity does all this good stuff while shit still happens right there in Fairfield and Jefferson County - if these places were obviously different than all the surrounding towns and counties in terms of crimes committed, accident rates, divorces etc. then I would come be in the Domes meself - but since it hasn't happened since the Domes were constructed, I shan't. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I think its probably because most reputable scientists realize the so called science behind the ME effect studies, plus the pseudo science that claims to prove the spiffy effect of vastu veda (plus the ill effects of south facing entrances) are such nonsense they don't want to bother refuting them. Magical houses wouldn't get a look in but the ME research isn't taken seriously because there is no good explanation for why we should throw out our understanding of physics, neurology, sociology - pretty much everything really - and replace them with a wishy-washy and underexplained theory like consciousness being the unified field. No one can really say what collective consciousness is nor how coherence could affect it and at a distance too! Action at a distance isn't explained and contradicts how we think the universe works. And how things that are clearly just human subjective feelings could be transmitted by the subatomic world is ignored in TM literature, the Meissner effect doesn't work as it applies to supercooled magnetic fields and not the human brain in any way. It's all too vague to warrant lab time especially as the claimed effects can happen anyway regardless of whether there is a WPA on. To predict a lessening of war deaths you have to know how many are going to die anyway. So until world peace happens or someone levitates I doubt it will be taken seriously.
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I guess you would think that Fairfield, of all places, would show an extremely low percentage for crime, especially when the percentage of Siddhas meditators is well above the square root of 1% of that town alone. I remember when I lived there, there were quite a few friends and acquaintances that were either current MUM students, former MSAE, and just plain ol' Tm'ers and TMSP'ers who lived there. I remember one friend of mine's wife was murdered, another friend who had a DUI, multiple people under suspicion for us of marijuana on campus, vandalism, petty theft, plenty of drinking problems, and quite a few siddhas and meditators I knew were constantly getting into either fistfights or coming close to it. I don't say this to be judgmental, just an observation. My assessment would be that no matter what technique you give someone, it does not change where their soul stands in this cycle of birth and death. And therefore, the whole plan to create heaven on earth is flawed right from the beginning. The only way you really could have heaven on earth is if you only allowed the birth of enlightened souls to incarnate here. And to me, that's rather elitist thinking. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm
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I must have led a sheltered life when I was at MIU in 85 - 87 - the only thing like that I knew of was 2 or three staffers who were selling pot out of their rooms, although someone said an entire class at the Maharishi School was suspended for an entire year for drug use, but that was just a rumor I guess. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? I guess you would think that Fairfield, of all places, would show an extremely low percentage for crime, especially when the percentage of Siddhas meditators is well above the square root of 1% of that town alone. I remember when I lived there, there were quite a few friends and acquaintances that were either current MUM students, former MSAE, and just plain ol' Tm'ers and TMSP'ers who lived there. I remember one friend of mine's wife was murdered, another friend who had a DUI, multiple people under suspicion for us of marijuana on campus, vandalism, petty theft, plenty of drinking problems, and quite a few siddhas and meditators I knew were constantly getting into either fistfights or coming close to it. I don't say this to be judgmental, just an observation. My assessment would be that no matter what technique you give someone, it does not change where their soul stands in this cycle of birth and death. And therefore, the whole plan to create heaven on earth is flawed right from the beginning. The only way you really could have heaven on earth is if you only allowed the birth of enlightened souls to incarnate here. And to me, that's rather elitist thinking. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I must have led a sheltered life when I was at MIU in 85 - 87 - the only thing like that I knew of was 2 or three staffers who were selling pot out of their rooms, although someone said an entire class at the Maharishi School was suspended for an entire year for drug use, but that was just a rumor I guess. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie??  I guess you would think that Fairfield, of all places, would show an extremely low percentage for crime, especially when the percentage of Siddhas meditators is well above the square root of 1% of that town alone. I remember when I lived there, there were quite a few friends and acquaintances that were either current MUM students, former MSAE, and just plain ol' Tm'ers and TMSP'ers who lived there. I remember one friend of mine's wife was murdered, another friend who had a DUI, multiple people under suspicion for us of marijuana on campus, vandalism, petty theft, plenty of drinking problems, and quite a few siddhas and meditators I knew were constantly getting into either fistfights or coming close to it. Yeah, you're right. An absolutely dreadful place. Worse than Detroit! I don't say this to be judgmental, just an observation. My assessment would be that no matter what technique you give someone, it does not change where their soul stands in this cycle of birth and death. And therefore, the whole plan to create heaven on earth is flawed right from the beginning. The only way you really could have heaven on earth is if you only allowed the birth of enlightened souls to incarnate here. And to me, that's rather elitist thinking. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm
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mjackson74: ...as to all the other so called scientific research on things like the Maharishi Effect even Moe, Larry and Curly can see its horse poop Maybe so, but if the 360 TM studies have been refuted, you would think that we could read some of studies in the learned journals that first published the TM studies. Why can't you cite any studies that refute the TM studies? ...the sceptics on tm website is operated by Tom Ball, the guy who has been teaching TM in North and South Carolina for years! Well, until you post some scientific evidence that refutes the facts mentioned by Ball, I think I'll agree with him. If you can find any double-blind, scientific studies that refute the TM studies, please post the links here. The facts: Over 360 scientists in 30 countries have conducted research on the TM technique; the vast majority were not affiliated with the TM program; and the quality of research on TM was praised by independent scientists. Look at the Sceptics blog here http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/p/why-this-site.html now look at Tom's picture here http://meditationasheville.blogspot.com/p/teachers.html Its even the same damn pic! This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed ïÿý in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). turquoiseb: Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm Criticism of Transcendental Meditation: Overview: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/ Review: Down Joe Kellett's Rabbit Hole: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/2009/03/review-suggestibilityorg.html
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I think its probably because most reputable scientists realize the so called science behind the ME effect studies, plus the pseudo science that claims to prove the spiffy effect of vastu veda (plus the ill effects of south facing entrances) are such nonsense they don't want to bother refuting them. If this is such proven technology, esp. on the grand scale of let's create world peace, why haven't the responsible people of the world embraced it to create world peace? Do you see Nelson Mandela doing TM? Dalai Lama? If this really would do the trick, don't you think people like that would jump at the chance to practice it themselves and implement flying groups in their own backyard? Because in 37 years of proven technology not one single person has actually levitated, not one person has become enlightened even through TM, the behavior of most of the long term meditators at the top of the Movement itself is at least proof that long term meditation does not make you a better person, if the behavior of Bevan, Neil, Greg and a plethora of other TM biggies including M's nephews in India is any indication, long term TM has the opposite effect of what the TM claims are. Like it or not one has to deal with the baggage of the behavior of the leaders of the Movement if you want to deal fully and honestly with the grandiose claims of the efficacy of TM and its adjunct programs. So let's review: nearly 60 years of TM practice round the world and no one can be clearly said to have reached Unity consciousness through the practice of TM alone, nor through the TM sidhi program 37 years of Yogic Flying - no one ever levitates After decades of practice, 1st 3 sutras of friendliness, happiness and compassion are not in evidence to any obvious degree in the people you would expect to see it in, i.e. - the leaders of the Movement Many pronouncements of Maharishi have been seen to be untrue - practice of TM brings enlightenment, TM - Sidhi program creates Unity consciousness, practice of TM for 3-5 years will bring on at least CC, and so on. Few if any of the projects Maharishi solicited money for were ever built or completed,meaning that he took money under false pretenses. Most business arrangements between the Movement and outside organizations and business resulted in the other business getting screwed Although the TM movement claims 6 million initiations over nearly 60 years as if 6 million are still meditating, we all know that lots of those initiated have stopped doing TM for a variety of reasons not the least of which is the bizarre, whacky and unethical behavior of the TM leaders The famous inefficiency and unpleasant behavior of the Movement and its leaders and even mid to low level managers is proof enough of the failure of the ME The fact that the Movement people are willing and eager to tell lies is enough proof enough that TM is no panacea. What lies, you ask? I give just one example. Unless homes and working places are in harmony with the Natural Law that harmonizes everything in creation and maintains order in the whole expanding universe, the life of the individual will always remain off balance. Lack of balance between the individual and his Cosmic Counterparts will always be the basic cause of ill health, problems, and misfortune. Quote from (http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-architecture/programmes.html) The life of the individual will always remain off balance? I see no other way to interpret this than that it means no matter what you do, including regular practice of the TM and TM-Sidhi Program, you are still going to have an unbalanced life unless you live in a Maharishi Sthapatya Veda home. Which either means the entire the TM program is useless and ineffective, or they are lying about the necessity for this type of architecture in the world. So to sum up, you really expect responsible scientists who are not interested in promoting TM to continue their own paycheck from Movement to waste time trying to refute a bunch of nonsense? I think they would rather waste their professional talents refuting the science behind the proof that Bigfoot is a Southern cousin of the yetis. The science of bigfoots and yetis is about as solid as the science behind most of the TM ME studies and by the way, lol, let's review, just because you like to parrot what the Movement says about how many peer reviewed studies about TM are out there don't make it so - the fact that the TM Movement people are proven liars is enough to make any of their assertions suspect. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? mjackson74: ...as to all the other so called scientific research on things like the Maharishi Effect even Moe, Larry and Curly can see its horse poop Maybe so
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). L
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm Just in case you have any difficulty with your cherry- picking, you might want to cite the drawing bullseyes around arrows dissembling of David Orme-Johnson: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/150760 He shucks and jives and does a Judy, harping on one phrase and using rather creative math to try to demonize the website in question. He also disregards Maharishi's ideas of the powerful ME Woo Woo as radiating outwards and affecting larger areas by nitpicking about Fairfield being only 60% of Jefferson County's population. I guess by doing this he's implying that the ME can't reach beyond the city limits, much less affect anything further away. :-) I guess this what you get when you have someone who has been on salary from the TM movement since 1973 (all but four years of his entire academic career) trying to pretend that he's being both scientific and objective. :-)
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This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). turquoiseb: Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm FACTS: 360 scientists in 30 countries have conducted research on the TM technique. The vast majority were not affiliated with the TM program. Quality of research on TM praised by independent scientists Criticism of Transcendental Meditation: Overview: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/ Review: Down Joe Kellett's Rabbit Hole: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/2009/03/review-suggestibilityorg.html
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Man, Barry, I love the way you write - you really know how to turn a phrase. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm Just in case you have any difficulty with your cherry- picking, you might want to cite the drawing bullseyes around arrows dissembling of David Orme-Johnson: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/150760 He shucks and jives and does a Judy, harping on one phrase and using rather creative math to try to demonize the website in question. He also disregards Maharishi's ideas of the powerful ME Woo Woo as radiating outwards and affecting larger areas by nitpicking about Fairfield being only 60% of Jefferson County's population. I guess by doing this he's implying that the ME can't reach beyond the city limits, much less affect anything further away. :-) I guess this what you get when you have someone who has been on salary from the TM movement since 1973 (all but four years of his entire academic career) trying to pretend that he's being both scientific and objective. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). L So, judging by the amount of new meditators, sidhas and pundits reported by the TMO and DLF we should be seeing world peace real soon. Phew
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Jesus Christ you #$#%#$#$! - the sceptics on tm website is operated by Tom Ball, the guy who has been teaching TM in North and South Carolina for years! Look at the Sceptics blog here http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/p/why-this-site.html now look at Tom's picture here http://meditationasheville.blogspot.com/p/teachers.html Its even the same damn pic! From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). turquoiseb: Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm FACTS: • 360 scientists in 30 countries have conducted research on the TM technique. • The vast majority were not affiliated with the TM program. • Quality of research on TM praised by independent scientists Criticism of Transcendental Meditation: Overview: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/ Review: Down Joe Kellett's Rabbit Hole: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/2009/03/review-suggestibilityorg.html
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As to the effects of the technique itself, I have no comment - as to all the other so called scientific research on things like the Maharishi Effect even Moe, Larry and Curly can see its horse poop From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? mjackson74: ...the sceptics on tm website is operated by Tom Ball, the guy who has been teaching TM in North and South Carolina for years! Well, until you post some scientific evidence that refutes the facts mentioned by Ball, I think I'll agree with him. If you can find any double-blind, scientific studies that refute the TM studies, please post the links here. The facts: Over 360 scientists in 30 countries have conducted research on the TM technique; the vast majority were not affiliated with the TM program; and the quality of research on TM was praised by independent scientists. Look at the Sceptics blog here http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/p/why-this-site.html now look at Tom's picture here http://meditationasheville.blogspot.com/p/teachers.html Its even the same damn pic! This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed � in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research The murder rate doubled one week. There was a gang war that weekend. The next week it went down to 50% below the average. The murder rate for the study period was essentially unchanged. However, the crime rate of other violent crimes did drop during the period, both as an absolute rate (2-3 percent), and as a rate adjusted for by including predicted crime rate based on temperature (18%). turquoiseb: Classic data cherry picking and falsification, Lawson. You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the designers of this so-called study. The crime rate really DID fall, just as long as you leave out this one set of outlying data that shows that it rose, and as long as you measure it against this imaginary 'prediction' of what the crime rate 'should' have been. Here...cherry pick THIS data: http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm Criticism of Transcendental Meditation: Overview: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/ Review: Down Joe Kellett's Rabbit Hole: http://skepticsontm.blogspot.com/2009/03/review-suggestibilityorg.html
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Now that someone has brought up Hagelin and yogic flying and how ridiculous both are, What nattering nabobs of negativity. Hagelin is a good guy and the right guy at the right time in history for the job. There is a kind of a horse race going on right now and he is doing a fine job riding it. Sit back and enjoy the race. -Buck I can finally pass along this cartoon I found the other day. Despite its author's obvious problems with spelling, it struck me as nailing the whole silly mess. Hagelin and people like him really think they are flying... [https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525683_401268413\ 277516_1536616902_n.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevent\ ion-research In the election of 2000, he lost to George W Bush by only 50,372,288 votes Chortle. I liked, Hagelin is, by his own admission, a remarkable man. The author, Mark Abrahams, is one of the funniest and most refreshing voices in science, and organizer of the yearly Ig Noble Awards (of which Hagelin is recipient). To see other articles he's written for The Guardian, click on his name at the top of the article or go here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/marcabrahams I particularly liked his riff on the ludicrousness of what the scientific method has degenerated into in the article Medics submit Playboy magazine to peer review. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/29/research-child-pornograp\ hy-tanner-scales
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Card, applying your copy/paste technique, the text could also look like this: At a press conference the following year, just weeks before the presidential election, candidate Hagelin announced the results of the experiment: it was a success. While the meditators were meditating and levitating, Washington's crime rate dropped by 18%. This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%
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Not the actual crime rate. The crime rate predicted in Hagelin's computer, correct? The below paragraph was a direct quote from the article. This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed – in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a shameless lie?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Card, applying your copy/paste technique, the text could also look like this: At a press conference the following year, just weeks before the presidential election, candidate Hagelin announced the results of the experiment: it was a success. While the meditators were meditating and levitating, Washington's crime rate dropped by 18%. This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research In the election of 2000, he lost to George W Bush by only 50,372,288 votes Chortle.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research In the election of 2000, he lost to George W Bush by only 50,372,288 votes Chortle. I liked, Hagelin is, by his own admission, a remarkable man. The author, Mark Abrahams, is one of the funniest and most refreshing voices in science, and organizer of the yearly Ig Noble Awards (of which Hagelin is recipient). To see other articles he's written for The Guardian, click on his name at the top of the article or go here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/marcabrahams I particularly liked his riff on the ludicrousness of what the scientific method has degenerated into in the article Medics submit Playboy magazine to peer review. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/29/research-child-pornography-tanner-scales
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Now that someone has brought up Hagelin and yogic flying and how ridiculous both are, I can finally pass along this cartoon I found the other day. Despite its author's obvious problems with spelling, it struck me as nailing the whole silly mess. Hagelin and people like him really think they are flying... [https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525683_401268413\ 277516_1536616902_n.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevent\ ion-research In the election of 2000, he lost to George W Bush by only 50,372,288 votes Chortle. I liked, Hagelin is, by his own admission, a remarkable man. The author, Mark Abrahams, is one of the funniest and most refreshing voices in science, and organizer of the yearly Ig Noble Awards (of which Hagelin is recipient). To see other articles he's written for The Guardian, click on his name at the top of the article or go here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/marcabrahams I particularly liked his riff on the ludicrousness of what the scientific method has degenerated into in the article Medics submit Playboy magazine to peer review. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/29/research-child-pornograp\ hy-tanner-scales
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: This was a fact. The crime rate did drop by 18%. However, the rate that dropped by 18% was not the number of crimes actually committed in fact, during the experiment, Washington's weekly murder count hit the highest level ever recorded. The 18% drop was from Hagelin's computer prediction of what would have happened had his meditators not been meditating and levitating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/oct/08/meditation-crime-prevention-research I just realised I know everyone in the photograph, I might even have been in the room as I was involved in setting up press conferences. The press consisted of a handful of photographers who would turn up just to get some crazy stock shots for the file. There might be one journalist with a question but that was never satisfactorily answered and even they'd stopped coming at the end. We had a good time though and we certainly stirred up politics, though the Monster Raving Loony Party were annoyed we got so much attention. And the Greens were reportedly happy that they weren't the offical mad but serious party any more! Check out the comments below the article, every one is from a TMer and most have joined comment is free simply to add their bit to the article, obviously word went round that some negativity was afoot and had to be countered, probably why comments are now closed on the piece, shame as the Gruaniad usually lets them run until everyone has had their say, as there is no bad language or defamatory remarks it's probably a moderator realising the comments were being manipulated. They are heavy on the moderation there, Buck would be in paradise. I was just about to add my bit too
