[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > > > > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > > > > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > > > > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but > they > > > > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > > > > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > > > > > > Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall > > > that according to MMY, the function of practicing > > > the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with > > > the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the > > > context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following > > > meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains > > > after meditation, which ultimately results in > > > strengthening it and making it permanent. > > > > > > The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes > > > out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but > > > what remains is what has become permanent. The > > > permanent part is added to incrementally with each > > > dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But > > > that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened" > > > by the sun each time. > > > > > > Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but > > > the possible parallel struck me as interesting. > > > > The sidhis challenge/weaken samadhi on the most fundamental level > > possible. > > You know, I never connected the yellow dye analogy > with the TM-Sidhis' "challenge" to samadhi before; > I sure don't recall the parallel being part of what > we were taught about the techniques. It was eki's > mention of "weakening" that made me think of it. > Now it seems obvious. Did I just miss that part? I recall it being presented as a more subtle set of activities that stabilize pure consciousness at a more fundamental level. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > > > > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > > > > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > > > > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but > they > > > > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > > > > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > > > > > > Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall > > > that according to MMY, the function of practicing > > > the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with > > > the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the > > > context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following > > > meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains > > > after meditation, which ultimately results in > > > strengthening it and making it permanent. > > > > > > The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes > > > out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but > > > what remains is what has become permanent. The > > > permanent part is added to incrementally with each > > > dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But > > > that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened" > > > by the sun each time. > > > > > > Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but > > > the possible parallel struck me as interesting. > > > > The sidhis challenge/weaken samadhi on the most fundamental level > > possible. > > You know, I never connected the yellow dye analogy > with the TM-Sidhis' "challenge" to samadhi before; > I sure don't recall the parallel being part of what > we were taught about the techniques. It was eki's > mention of "weakening" that made me think of it. > Now it seems obvious. Did I just miss that part? There are a couple of points that seem to suggest that the "shithilii" (weak, or whatever) applies mainly to the effect of the suutra(s) on finest(I guess that's the adjective in English; below "supernormal") senses. Here's one translation of the relevant suutras: http://hrih.net/patanjali/library/3.htm 35. Experience (of pleasure or pain) arises from a conception which does not distinguish between the two extremely different entities, viz. Buddhisattva and Purusha. Such experience exists for another (i.e. Purusha). That is why through Samyama on Purusha (who oversees all experiences and also their complete cessation), a knowledge regarding Purusha is acquired. 36. Thence (from the knowledge of Purusha) arise Pratibha (prescience), Sravana (supernormal power of hearing), Vedana (supernormal power of touch), Adarsa (supernormal power of sight), Asvada (supernormal poker of taste) and Varta (supernormal power of smell). 37. They (these powers) are impediments to Samadhi, but are (regarded as) acquisitions in a normal fluctuating state of the mind. (I left the typo on that page [poker] because it felt so funny...) Now, Vyaasa's commentary on 37. begins like this: te praatibhaadayaH samaahita-cittasyotpadyamaanaa... Vyaasa seems to make clear that the demonstrative pronoun "te" in 37, "te samaadhaav upasargaa..." refers *only* to "praatibha" , "shravana", etc, because he uses the expression "aadayaH" which is nominative plurar of "aadi" which in turn means 'beginning', meaning that "te" refers to a list(or something) that begins with "praatibha". For instance "indraadayaH" means 'Indra, etc.'( I guess, Indra and the other devas). The compound "samaahita-citta" obviously means something like 'citta in samaadhi', because "samaahita"* is the perfect participle from the verb "samaadhaa", that's related to the noun "samaadhi". And "cittasyotpadyamaanaa" is sandhi for "cittasya + utpadyamaanaa". The verb "ut-pat" from which "utpadyamaanaa(H)" is, I believe, the present participle, means something like "raise" so "samaahita-cittasyotpadyamaanaa(H)" would mean something like 'raising the mind out of samaadhi'. If something of that is messy I might try to explain it in some other way... *) like "saMhitaa" is related to "saMdhi" (sandhi). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > > > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > > > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > > > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they > > > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > > > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > > > > Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall > > that according to MMY, the function of practicing > > the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with > > the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the > > context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following > > meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains > > after meditation, which ultimately results in > > strengthening it and making it permanent. > > > > The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes > > out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but > > what remains is what has become permanent. The > > permanent part is added to incrementally with each > > dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But > > that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened" > > by the sun each time. > > > > Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but > > the possible parallel struck me as interesting. > > The sidhis challenge/weaken samadhi on the most fundamental level > possible. You know, I never connected the yellow dye analogy with the TM-Sidhis' "challenge" to samadhi before; I sure don't recall the parallel being part of what we were taught about the techniques. It was eki's mention of "weakening" that made me think of it. Now it seems obvious. Did I just miss that part? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they > > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > > Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall > that according to MMY, the function of practicing > the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with > the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the > context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following > meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains > after meditation, which ultimately results in > strengthening it and making it permanent. > > The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes > out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but > what remains is what has become permanent. The > permanent part is added to incrementally with each > dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But > that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened" > by the sun each time. > > Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but > the possible parallel struck me as interesting. The sidhis challenge/weaken samadhi on the most fundamental level possible. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 9/30/05 3:29 AM, "cardemaister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> One place is:
> >>
> >> Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness
> >>
> >> 5. "The Renunciation of the Knower"
> >>
> >> 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins
> >>
> >> 5.1.4. The two terms ("paramahamsa" and "yogin") are used
together
> > in order
> >> to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is only a
> >> paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because
> > of his
> >> lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of
> > yogic power,
> >> such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying,
etc.,
> >> and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the
various
> > samyama
> >> formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim
> > of human
> >> existence, Cosmic Consciousness.
> >> --
> >> jiivanmuktiviveka
> >>
> >> 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam
> >>
> >> 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH
> >>
> >> 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam
> > uktam
> >> kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu
> >> yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra
> >> tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati.
> >
> > Nice! Is that your own transliteration? (There seems to be a
couple
> > of minor typos in it, of the type I myself tend to make, but
overall
> > it's very good compared to what one usually sees.)
>
> Yes it is, from notes I had typed.
>
> > Which part of that
> > translates to "cosmic consciousness"? I guess it's implied.
>
> Yes, the topic is jivanmukti in this case--cosmic consciousness--so
> 'separated from the highest aim of existence', is referring the
jivanmukti
> state and how it is lost..
How does one jivanmukti?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [...] > > > > It DID say that yogic flying was > > > > an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > > > See: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cx4ff > > > > Vaj's story seems to have changed a bit since > > that post, though. But perhaps he's discovered > > passages that refer explicitly to yogic flying > > as an obstacle. > > "These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers > in the worldly state." > > te samaadhaav upasargaa, vyutthaane siddhayaH. > > "samaadhaav": sandhi for locative singular "samaadhau" > "siddhayaH" : nominative plural of "siddhi" > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > For instance in YS I 13 locative singular "sthitau" > which is analogous to "samaadhau", IMO roughly has the > meaning 'in sthiti', despite the fact that translating > it exactly like that (in staying) would sound a bit > awkward in English. Moreover, in a concrete connection > locative usually translates to 'in...', as "nagare", > 'in the city'. OTOH, it's true that locative should > often be tranlated to 'into' (Coulson: end result > of motion).An example from > Coulson: *jale* baalaM kSipati (he throws the child > into the water). But there is certainly not an explicit > verb of motion in the suutra. "Obstacles IN samadhi" actually strengthtens (pun noted) MMY's claim. All thoughts and actions are obstacles "in" samadhi (for maintaining samadhi). The trick is to overcome them by alternating rest and activity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for explaining. My pleasure; thanks for asking. > > :-) > > Oo. Nasty emoticon. It must mean something nefarious. :-) HA! You got me there :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This is a subject of some interest to me, and since > > you are often very good at expressing the inexpressible > > in words, if you feel like saying more about these > > perceptions, I'm all ears. > > Thanks, I appreciate your appreciation; I'll give it a shot. The TM > and TM-sidhis felt obsolete upon awakening; I had no desire to > practice either of those programs anymore per se, so I am not > speaking of them specifically. > However, the desire to fly *did* remain, intensified if anything, > and in a way served as a focus or impetus of my continuing studies > which culminated in the "group ascension" spoken of here earlier > and in my bio. Between those two points (say a 4 year period), I > *did* take great joy in the spontaneous upwelling of desires and > the siddhis of their fulfillment. (Some of these included conscious > co-creating of world events, weather-control, volcanos, talking > with animals, manifesting subtle essences, and the like. Most of > these I pretty quickly abjured, as I saw they were leading in a > non-evolutionary path for me, making me a "deity" rather than a > human -- a less complete dharma, not what I came here for at that > time.) Yup. That's what I was interested in. It's the path that Rama took. And see how that turned out. > More recently, though, I have spent years (I think) more > consciously *not* practicing these second-nature abilities > (mostly by then the minor ones of knowledge, healing, shaktipat, > and so on), as they seemed not always to be appropriate: like > talking too much, instead of listening. Another wise decision IMO. Good metaphor. > They seemed at times to be habitual short-cuts that > actually *prevented* greater depth and intimacy and healing and > self-knowledge -- greater human-ness, IOW. This absention has not > always been there, by any means, but I have come to see its > usefulness. Thanks for explaining. > :-) Oo. Nasty emoticon. It must mean something nefarious. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if
> > > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead
> > > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or
> > > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but
they
> > > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood
> > > the Sanskrit approximately correctly).
> >
> > Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall
> > that according to MMY, the function of practicing
> > the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with
> > the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the
> > context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following
> > meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains
> > after meditation, which ultimately results in
> > strengthening it and making it permanent.
> >
> > The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes
> > out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but
> > what remains is what has become permanent. The
> > permanent part is added to incrementally with each
> > dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But
> > that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened"
> > by the sun each time.
> >
> > Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but
> > the possible parallel struck me as interesting.
>
> Bhoja's commentary on "te samaadhaav upasargaa..." seems to
> have three whole sentences. The middlemost of them feels
> to me like the syntactically easiest one. Goes like this:
>
> tatra harSa-vismayaadi-karaNena samaadhiH
> shithilii bhavati
>
> I might "translate" that for instance like this:
>
> Therefore (because of that [positive emotional?] effect
> of the siddhis previously mentioned?)samaadhi becomes shithilii*
> by causing harSa**, vismaya***, and stuff (aadi).
>
> *)1 shithila mf(%{A})n. (collateral form of prec.) loose , slack ,
> lax , relaxed , untied , flaccid , not rigid or compact TS. &c.
&c. ;
> soft , pliant , supple Pan5cat. ; unsteady , tremulous MBh. ;
> languid , inert , unenergetic , weak , feeble MBh. Ka1v. &c. ;
> careless in (loc.) R. ; indistinct (as sound) L. ; not rigidly
> observed W. ; loosely retained or possessed , abandoned , shaken
off
> ib. ; (%{am}) ind. loosely , not firmly Ragh. ; (%{I}) f. a kind of
> tawny-coloured ant (said to be a variety of the white ant) L. ; (%
> {am}) n. a loose fastening , looseness , laxity , slowness MW. ; a
> partic. separation of the terms or members of a logical series ib.
OK, this is purely intuitive, but the word "scattered"
comes to mind--diffused, unfocused. Does that make any
sense to you?
> **)1 harSa m. (ifc. f. %{A} ; fr. %{hRS}) bristling , erection
(esp.
> of the hair in a thrill of rapture or delight) MBh. Ka1v. &c. ;
joy ,
> pleasure , happiness (also personified as a son of Dharma) Kat2hUp.
> MBh. &c. [1292,3] ; erection of the sexual organ , sexual
> excitement , lustfulness Sus3r. ; ardent desire MBh. ; N. of an
Asura
> Katha1s. ; of a son of Kr2ishn2a BhP. ; of various authors &c.
(also
> with %{dIkSita} , %{mizra} , %{sUri} &c. ; cf. %{zrI-harSa}) ; mfn.
> happy , delighted W.
>
> ***)2 vismaya 1 m. (for 2. see p. 953 , col. 1) wonder , surprise ,
> amazement , bewilderment , perplexity (in rhet. one of the %{sthAyi-
> bhAvas} q.v.) MBh. Ka1v. Das3ar. ; pride , arrogance Mn. BhP. ;
> doubt , uncertainty W. ; %{-kara} , %{-kArin} , %{-M-kara} , %{-M-
> gama} mfn. causing astonishment or admiration , astonishing ,
> wonderful MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; %{-vat} mfn. manifesting pride or
> arrogance Hcat. ; %{-viSAda-vat} mfn. filled with astonishment and
> perplexity Katha1s. ; %{-harSa-mUla} mfn. caused by astonishment
and
> Joy MW. ; %{-yA7kula} , %{-yA7nvita} or %{-yA7viSTa} mfn. filled
with
> astonishment or wonder MBh. ; %{-yo7tphulla-nayana} (or %{-locana})
> mfn. having eyes wide open or staring with astonishment MW.
There's no way I can possibly explain this, but with
these definitions, "samaadhi becomes shithilii by
causing harSa, vismaya" works for me as a description
of what happens when I think a sutra.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if
> > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead
> > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or
> > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they
> > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood
> > the Sanskrit approximately correctly).
>
> Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall
> that according to MMY, the function of practicing
> the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with
> the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the
> context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following
> meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains
> after meditation, which ultimately results in
> strengthening it and making it permanent.
>
> The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes
> out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but
> what remains is what has become permanent. The
> permanent part is added to incrementally with each
> dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But
> that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened"
> by the sun each time.
>
> Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but
> the possible parallel struck me as interesting.
Bhoja's commentary on "te samaadhaav upasargaa..." seems to
have three whole sentences. The middlemost of them feels
to me like the syntactically easiest one. Goes like this:
tatra harSa-vismayaadi-karaNena samaadhiH
shithilii bhavati
I might "translate" that for instance like this:
Therefore (because of that [positive emotional?] effect
of the siddhis previously mentioned?)samaadhi becomes shithilii*
by causing harSa**, vismaya***, and stuff (aadi).
*)1 shithila mf(%{A})n. (collateral form of prec.) loose , slack ,
lax , relaxed , untied , flaccid , not rigid or compact TS. &c. &c. ;
soft , pliant , supple Pan5cat. ; unsteady , tremulous MBh. ;
languid , inert , unenergetic , weak , feeble MBh. Ka1v. &c. ;
careless in (loc.) R. ; indistinct (as sound) L. ; not rigidly
observed W. ; loosely retained or possessed , abandoned , shaken off
ib. ; (%{am}) ind. loosely , not firmly Ragh. ; (%{I}) f. a kind of
tawny-coloured ant (said to be a variety of the white ant) L. ; (%
{am}) n. a loose fastening , looseness , laxity , slowness MW. ; a
partic. separation of the terms or members of a logical series ib.
**)1 harSa m. (ifc. f. %{A} ; fr. %{hRS}) bristling , erection (esp.
of the hair in a thrill of rapture or delight) MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; joy ,
pleasure , happiness (also personified as a son of Dharma) Kat2hUp.
MBh. &c. [1292,3] ; erection of the sexual organ , sexual
excitement , lustfulness Sus3r. ; ardent desire MBh. ; N. of an Asura
Katha1s. ; of a son of Kr2ishn2a BhP. ; of various authors &c. (also
with %{dIkSita} , %{mizra} , %{sUri} &c. ; cf. %{zrI-harSa}) ; mfn.
happy , delighted W.
***)2 vismaya 1 m. (for 2. see p. 953 , col. 1) wonder , surprise ,
amazement , bewilderment , perplexity (in rhet. one of the %{sthAyi-
bhAvas} q.v.) MBh. Ka1v. Das3ar. ; pride , arrogance Mn. BhP. ;
doubt , uncertainty W. ; %{-kara} , %{-kArin} , %{-M-kara} , %{-M-
gama} mfn. causing astonishment or admiration , astonishing ,
wonderful MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; %{-vat} mfn. manifesting pride or
arrogance Hcat. ; %{-viSAda-vat} mfn. filled with astonishment and
perplexity Katha1s. ; %{-harSa-mUla} mfn. caused by astonishment and
Joy MW. ; %{-yA7kula} , %{-yA7nvita} or %{-yA7viSTa} mfn. filled with
astonishment or wonder MBh. ; %{-yo7tphulla-nayana} (or %{-locana})
mfn. having eyes wide open or staring with astonishment MW.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall that according to MMY, the function of practicing the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains after meditation, which ultimately results in strengthening it and making it permanent. The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but what remains is what has become permanent. The permanent part is added to incrementally with each dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened" by the sun each time. Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but the possible parallel struck me as interesting. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers > in the worldly state." > > te samaadhaav upasargaa, vyutthaane siddhayaH. > > "samaadhaav": sandhi for locative singular "samaadhau" > "siddhayaH" : nominative plural of "siddhi" > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > For instance in YS I 13 locative singular "sthitau" > which is analogous to "samaadhau", IMO roughly has the > meaning 'in sthiti', despite the fact that translating > it exactly like that (in staying) would sound a bit > awkward in English. Moreover, in a concrete connection > locative usually translates to 'in...', as "nagare", > 'in the city'. OTOH, it's true that locative should > often be tranlated to 'into' (Coulson: end result > of motion).An example from > Coulson: *jale* baalaM kSipati (he throws the child > into the water). But there is certainly not an explicit > verb of motion in the suutra. YES Cardemaister; many thanks; this makes *perfect* sense! I have sometimes found that specific exercise of the siddhis has something of an "expenditure" or "unchastity" effect that is not particularly pleasing, or feels like a lack of integrity almost :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
On 9/30/05 3:29 AM, "cardemaister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> One place is:
>>
>> Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness
>>
>> 5. "The Renunciation of the Knower"
>>
>> 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins
>>
>> 5.1.4. The two terms ("paramahamsa" and "yogin") are used together
> in order
>> to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is only a
>> paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because
> of his
>> lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of
> yogic power,
>> such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc.,
>> and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various
> samyama
>> formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim
> of human
>> existence, Cosmic Consciousness.
>> --
>> jiivanmuktiviveka
>>
>> 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam
>>
>> 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH
>>
>> 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam
> uktam
>> kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu
>> yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra
>> tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati.
>
> Nice! Is that your own transliteration? (There seems to be a couple
> of minor typos in it, of the type I myself tend to make, but overall
> it's very good compared to what one usually sees.)
Yes it is, from notes I had typed.
> Which part of that
> translates to "cosmic consciousness"? I guess it's implied.
Yes, the topic is jivanmukti in this case--cosmic consciousness--so
'separated from the highest aim of existence', is referring the jivanmukti
state and how it is lost..
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > jiivanmuktiviveka > > 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam > > 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH > > 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam > kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu > yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra > tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati. BTW Vaj, do you happen to have that text in DN-pdf? This part keeps on keeping me slightly puzzled: yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 9/28/05 4:40 PM, "cardemaister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>> The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya
> > tradition
> >>> says this.
> >>
> >> Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was
an
> > obstacle
> >> of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita).
> >
> > Where exactly did it say that?
>
> One place is:
>
> Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness
>
> 5. "The Renunciation of the Knower"
>
> 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins
>
> 5.1.4. The two terms ("paramahamsa" and "yogin") are used together
in order
> to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is only a
> paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because
of his
> lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of
yogic power,
> such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc.,
> and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various
samyama
> formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim
of human
> existence, Cosmic Consciousness.
> --
> jiivanmuktiviveka
>
> 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam
>
> 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH
>
> 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam
uktam
> kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu
> yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra
> tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati.
Nice! Is that your own transliteration? (There seems to be a couple
of minor typos in it, of the type I myself tend to make, but overall
it's very good compared to what one usually sees.) Which part of that
translates to "cosmic consciousness"? I guess it's implied.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > Hari Om, > > > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > > > Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > > consciousness and there was no need for him to prove > > > himself.!! > > > >>> > > > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > > > >> > > > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya > > > > tradition says this. > > > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. > > "This object [the siddhis] is not for him, who > is knower of the Self, for he, the knower of the > Self, has in view only the Self. He is content > by himself and in himself and does not go after > these products of ignorance." > > --Laghu Yogavasistha, as quoted by Vidaranya > > > > It DID say that yogic flying was > > > an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > See: > > http://tinyurl.com/cx4ff > > Vaj's story seems to have changed a bit since > that post, though. But perhaps he's discovered > passages that refer explicitly to yogic flying > as an obstacle. "These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers in the worldly state." te samaadhaav upasargaa, vyutthaane siddhayaH. "samaadhaav": sandhi for locative singular "samaadhau" "siddhayaH" : nominative plural of "siddhi" Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but they don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood the Sanskrit approximately correctly). For instance in YS I 13 locative singular "sthitau" which is analogous to "samaadhau", IMO roughly has the meaning 'in sthiti', despite the fact that translating it exactly like that (in staying) would sound a bit awkward in English. Moreover, in a concrete connection locative usually translates to 'in...', as "nagare", 'in the city'. OTOH, it's true that locative should often be tranlated to 'into' (Coulson: end result of motion).An example from Coulson: *jale* baalaM kSipati (he throws the child into the water). But there is certainly not an explicit verb of motion in the suutra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying > > was an > > > obstacle > > > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > > > The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" > > to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was > > simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of > > the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? > > In one sense, it's true, if you think about > the specific instructions for practice. > > Or to put it another way, samadhi is the *basis* > of the TM-Sidhis, but it isn't the *goal* of the > TM-Sidhis. > > As Lawson said in another post, that sutra may > be understood as a technical point about how > the siddhis sutras are to be performed (reflected > quite precisely in MMY's instructions) rather than > a warning not to use them. Yeah. I'm really good at saying things like that... (I did?). Actually, I think I said something like "this is a description, not a warning," but yours is fine too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying > was an > > obstacle > > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" > to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was > simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of > the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? "In the inner stroke they are an obstacle [a challenge to be overcome to strengthen -- MMY's interpretation] samadhi. In the outer stroke they are siddhis [superpowers/perfections in the relative -- ditto]." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying > was an > > obstacle > > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" > to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was > simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of > the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? In one sense, it's true, if you think about the specific instructions for practice. Or to put it another way, samadhi is the *basis* of the TM-Sidhis, but it isn't the *goal* of the TM-Sidhis. As Lawson said in another post, that sutra may be understood as a technical point about how the siddhis sutras are to be performed (reflected quite precisely in MMY's instructions) rather than a warning not to use them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying
> was an
> > obstacle
> > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita).
> >
> > Where exactly did it say that?
>
> The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle"
> to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was
> simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of
> the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi?
***
The Siddhis may be an obstacle to enlightenment for the same reason
that wealth may be an obstacle (really, the word distraction is a
better fit than obstacle) to enlightenment ("it is harder for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of heaven within than for a camel to enter
the eye of a needle," and so on). Rich people have all sorts of
options in the material world to distract them from enjoying the only
real durable bliss, that bliss of consciousness found through sitting
down quietly and diving inside with TM. Similarly, if people could
immediately fly upon doing the sutra, they might spend all their time
traveling throughout the universe, and not spend time in TM.
However, people's nervous systems in the Kaliyuga are so twisted, and
consequently, the atmosphere is so poisoned now that it will not be
permit people to be happy, so TM's yogic flyers (who are only found
hopping after 30 years of practice) only experience a boost in
purification of the nervous system which supports the growth of
enlightenment instead of running the risk of Siddhas going off on some
on some side track for a lark, and missing the best fun of all, living
full awareness.
Bob Brigante
http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
On 9/28/05 4:40 PM, "cardemaister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya
> tradition
>>> says this.
>>
>> Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an
> obstacle
>> of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita).
>
> Where exactly did it say that?
One place is:
Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness
5. "The Renunciation of the Knower"
5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins
5.1.4. The two terms ("paramahamsa" and "yogin") are used together in order
to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is only a
paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his
lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power,
such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc.,
and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various samyama
formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human
existence, Cosmic Consciousness.
--
jiivanmuktiviveka
5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam
5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH
5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam
kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
> > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an > obstacle > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > Where exactly did it say that? The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > Hari Om, > > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > > Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > consciousness and there was no need for him to prove > > himself.!! > > >>> > > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > > >> > > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya > > > tradition says this. > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. "This object [the siddhis] is not for him, who is knower of the Self, for he, the knower of the Self, has in view only the Self. He is content by himself and in himself and does not go after these products of ignorance." --Laghu Yogavasistha, as quoted by Vidaranya > > It DID say that yogic flying was > > an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > Where exactly did it say that? See: http://tinyurl.com/cx4ff Vaj's story seems to have changed a bit since that post, though. But perhaps he's discovered passages that refer explicitly to yogic flying as an obstacle. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hari Om, > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > >>> Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > consciousness > >>> and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > >>> > >>> > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > >> > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition > > says this. > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it say that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hari Om, > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > >>> Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > consciousness > >>> and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > >>> > >>> > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > >> > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition > > says this. > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. In the part of the discussion about someone who has attained enlightenment wouldn't find the sidhis attractive anyway... It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). The Yoga Sutras themselves say that they're an obstacle. Of course, what is an obstacle? That's the point MMY makes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hari Om, I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to >>> Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > consciousness >>> and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! >>> >>> >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. >> >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition > says this. Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Hari Om, > >> I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > > Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity consciousness > > and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > > > > > > Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > > What point is that? Can you give an example? The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition says this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> Hari Om, >> I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity consciousness > and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > > > Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. What point is that? Can you give an example? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hari Om, > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity consciousness and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
