Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
Longer mantras (e.g. the Great Compansion Mantra of Kwan Yin, the Surangama Sutra mantra,...etc) ime, are more suitable for chanting... In Buddhist practice, some longer mantras are called 'dharanis', but you don't really need to memorize long dharanis or sutras - a short tantric 'bija' mantra is all you need to get to you to the 'other shore'. That way, you don't need to be striving with all the memorization or learning how to pronounce fancy Sanskrit words with meaning. Just relax, feel your body as a whole, start the single bija and transcend - it's that simple. No need for a lot of fancy learning. When you reach the 'other shore', you don't need any bijas, mantras or sutras. When you reach the other shore, you wouldn't carry your boat around on your head, would you? Most householders don't have time for a lot of metaphysical understanding or intricate yoga practice - that is, unless you want your wife to start complaining about you neglecting her personal needs. Otherwise, you could become a wandering baba, a monk, or a recluse, and go live in a cave and devote all your time to meditation, fasting, tapas, and reading the sutras. Long mantras require lots of concentration which can be counter-productive - they might keep you on the conscious thinking level. Not only that, but you could get really mixed up and be chanting words dedicated to the devil, instead of the devas - who knows? In addition, Sanskrit words often found in long dharanis or sutras apparently don't have any transcending 'power' of their own, according to one of our resident tantrics, Bharat2. Words read in a book or in a booklet (or on the net) all need to be 'enlivened' by a tantric guru. Sanskrit words you read in a book don't have any 'shakti', so you would need to join a Sangha or a attend a Gurukula in order to get the dharani or sutra words to be effective. Maybe you could drive to Oakland CA and get some magic words from the 'Pilot Guru' - I don't know. But the simplest and easiest way to get to Nirvana is to use the TM 'bija' that you already paid for (save money on gasoline too, depending on where you live, like up in Deadwood, SD).
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
boo wrote: To sum up Willy's wisdom today: There are no mantras used in TM. There are certain mantras used in TM. There are no multi-word mantras used in TM. There are certain multi-word mantras used in advanced TM. Now I'm so confused, I'm going to make up some BS about Buddhism. Only 'bija' mantras are used in TM, plus a few Sanskrit words for fertilizer, such as 'namah', which in Sanskrit means 'I bow down'. 'Om' is a nonsense syllable. You get only one single 'bija' mantra in TM. Read more: http://www.minet.org/mantras.html You can twist the words around from now till Doomsday, and it won't change the fact that in TM you get only ONE mantra--the one you're given when you first learn to meditate. What you're calling additional mantras are not mantras. That's why they're called advanced techniques and not additional mantras. Bottom line: The TM mantras do not have semantic meanings. They're semantically meaningless sounds. Read more: Forum: Yahoo! TM Controversy Author: Judy Stein Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 10:06 pm Subject: Re: Maharishi's TM mantras http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMControversy/message/1046 SHRI (added mantra, meaning, Oh most beautiful) AING (original mantra, meaning, Hindu goddess Saraswati) NAMAH (added mantra, meaning, I bow down) SHRI AING NAMAH = Oh most beautiful goddess Saraswati, I bow down. Read more: Forum: Yahoo! TM Controversy Author: John Manning Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Quote from Maharishi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMControversy/message/1053
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Bhairitu wrote: Because the longer mantras and siddhi mantras are very powerful having been passed down by an age old tradition. For what purpose would I be wanting a long nonsense syllable, enlivened or not? It is a fraud that overtly and covertly attempts to replace God-given human dignity and spiritual meaningfulness with a 'technique'. And it has come to the point where there are those who claim this 'grand gift' are just as spiritually corrupt as anyone else. The evidence of this is way beyond overwhelming for me. Read more: Forum: Yahoo! TM Controversy Author: John Manning Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 1:13 am Subject: Maharishi's TM mantras http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMControversy/message/1022
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
---Longer mantras (e.g. the Great Compansion Mantra of Kwan Yin, the Surangama Sutra mantra,...etc) ime, are more suitable for chanting; and creating certain effects in relative existence. That's one side of the coin in regard to the long mantras. The chanting of Sutras is a standard Buddhist practice. Similarly, in Hinduism, the chanting of the 1000 Names of one's favorite Deity is a common practice; in which the 1000 Names can be considered one lengthy mantra. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Because the longer mantras and siddhi mantras are very powerful having been passed down by an age old tradition. For what purpose would I be wanting a long nonsense syllable, enlivened or not? It is a fraud that overtly and covertly attempts to replace God-given human dignity and spiritual meaningfulness with a 'technique'. And it has come to the point where there are those who claim this 'grand gift' are just as spiritually corrupt as anyone else. The evidence of this is way beyond overwhelming for me. Read more: Forum: Yahoo! TM Controversy Author: John Manning Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 1:13 am Subject: Maharishi's TM mantras http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMControversy/message/1022
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
Richard J. Williams wrote: menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. What about the advanced techniques? That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. English is frequently lacking in that. When I was learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times which were sometimes a little disconcerting though cool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
-My motto is whatever works...not what some asshole said 5,000 years ago. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
...there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. Bhairitu wrote: What about the advanced techniques? You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, just a short visulization. That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it then became all topsy turvey. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the 'safety and balance' you're talking about. If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good results, why would they want to drive all the way to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me - one short bija can get you all the way to Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most large cities. Go figure. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. That's really the question - exactly how is a nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in a book? If transcending is a mechanical process, all a person would have to do is *be aware of being aware* - no mantras, no bijas, and no guru - that's Adwaita. English is frequently lacking in that. When I was learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times which were sometimes a little disconcerting though cool. So, it may be that some people don't need any 'fert' at all - they were born enlightened. All they need is an intellectual understanding of the concept of non-duality and bingo, they have an awakening; they are free and immortal on the spot. No striving is then involved at all - just realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
To sum up Willy's wisdom today: There are no mantras used in TM. There are certain mantras used in TM. There are no multi-word mantras used in TM. There are certain multi-word mantras used in advanced TM. Now I'm so confused, I'm going to make up some BS about Buddhism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: ...there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. Bhairitu wrote: What about the advanced techniques? You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, just a short visulization. That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it then became all topsy turvey. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the 'safety and balance' you're talking about. If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good results, why would they want to drive all the way to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me - one short bija can get you all the way to Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most large cities. Go figure. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. That's really the question - exactly how is a nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in a book? If transcending is a mechanical process, all a person would have to do is *be aware of being aware* - no mantras, no bijas, and no guru - that's Adwaita. English is frequently lacking in that. When I was learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times which were sometimes a little disconcerting though cool. So, it may be that some people don't need any 'fert' at all - they were born enlightened. All they need is an intellectual understanding of the concept of non-duality and bingo, they have an awakening; they are free and immortal on the spot. No striving is then involved at all - just realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
yifuxero wrote: ...one should follow Shiva's own words, and the words of Shankara. Apparently all of the words uttered by the Lord Shiva to his wife are not available to the general public - they are esoteric and can only be accessed through an initiation by a guru. From what I've read, the original Shiva Sutra is no longer extant, having been lost due to the long lapse of time. Did Shankara have anything to say about using tantric mantras such as 'Om Namah Shivaya'? The Tantric tradition came after the birth of the Adi Shankaracharya. It has not been established that the Adi advocated any form of tantric yoga. It should be noted that Marshy uses only some traditional tantric householder 'bija' mantras, with the exception of 'svaha' which as every Siddha knows, denotes the hit sound 'crack' as in 'phata phata' of a three-wheeled motorcycle rickshaw, a common sound in Indian cities. Read more: Author: Willytex Subject: Re: Mantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2004 1:03 am http://tinyurl.com/7b3qcl
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I have an Indian friend who is an MD and learned ayurveda as he was growing up from his grandfather who practiced in Indian villages. His method of ayurveda, being simplified for villagers, is very easy to grasp. Unfortunately, due to having a family, he could not afford to take the time to do the internship required to become an American MD. If he had done that he could have set up some courses and I can tell they would have been far more reasonably priced than anything the TMO offers. As far as the efficacy of ayurveda, it's basis rings very true. It is often misunderstood and we have a lot of practitioners with less than 10 years experience under their belts that aren't very good. Some practitioners have related ayurveda to other metabolic typing systems. One concept is that imbalances are caused when the autonomic nervous system gets out of whack and sort either the sympathetic or para-sympathetic system starts to dominate. For instance when the parasympathetic system becomes dominant, which rules digestion and sleep functions, you may experience a kapha imbalance and are sleepy, low in energy and put on weight easily. The vata imbalance is when the sympathetic system may dominate and the parasympathetic has a hard time kicking in. Pitta is considered balanced but with other problems like too much digestive fire or heat causing inflammation related diseases. The range of the imbalances can be from light to heavy. For instance one might have a slight kapha imbalance but overdoing either kapha reducing herbs or spicy foods might overshoot the goal. Unfortunately that takes more monitoring by the practitioner or the individual being trained to monitor it themselves. A lot of these alternative systems could prevent a lot of disease and reduce health care costs. The problem? They don't sell pharmaceutical drugs and the pharmaceutical companies seem to own American medicine with the doctors as their pushers. yifuxero wrote: -My motto is whatever works...not what some asshole said 5,000 years ago. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I have an Indian friend who is an MD and learned ayurveda as he was growing up from his grandfather who practiced in Indian villages. His method of ayurveda, being simplified for villagers, is very easy to grasp. Unfortunately, due to having a family, he could not afford to take the time to do the internship required to become an American MD. If he had done that he could have set up some courses and I can tell they would have been far more reasonably priced than anything the TMO offers. Quite possibly. However, would he be able to seriously talk about a pre-med program out of his school, with a genuine MD degree program in the works? MMY's fascination with money pays dividends ;-) Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
Richard Williams wrote: ...there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. Bhairitu wrote: What about the advanced techniques? You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, just a short visulization. Your understanding is from the superficial knowledge that MMY gave and watered down for public consumption. You need to become a tantric initiate to learn more. You haven't even scratched the surface of mantra shastra. That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it then became all topsy turvey. Doesn't matter but the use without some balance seems to create practitioners with overstimulated intellects. More balance is needed. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the 'safety and balance' you're talking about. If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good results, why would they want to drive all the way to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me - one short bija can get you all the way to Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most large cities. Go figure. Because the longer mantras and siddhi mantras are very powerful having been passed down by an age old tradition. You won't get anything like that from TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. That's really the question - exactly how is a nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? In TM by reciting the puja before giving the mantra to the initiate. In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in a book? By having a guru mantra which Nityananda gave him. Once you have one of those then you can enliven any mantra, even out of a book though most yogis use mantras passed on to them by their gurus.
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I think your understanding of Om Nama Shiva is somewhat preverted from it's true meaning and power. see the following. Chris Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. The meaning It means I bow to Shiva. Shiva is the supreme reality, the inner Self. It is the name given to consciousness that dwells in all. Shiva is the name of your true identity your self. According to Hindu mythology there are three Gods who run this creation. The Brahma - who creates the universe, the Vishnu - who preserves the Universe and the Shiva- who in the end destroys the universe. Among the three deities, Shiva, though considered as destroyer, also symbolize the - the inner self which remains intact even after everything ends. In this mantra the chanter (one who repeats the mantra) bow to Shiva- his true self. Om Namah Shivay is a very powerful mantra. It has been said about this mantra that if this mantra vibrates continually in your heart, then you have no need to perform austerities, to meditate, or to practise yoga. To repeat this mantra you need no rituals or ceremonies, nor must you repeat it at an auspicious time or in a particular place. This mantra is free of all restrictions. It can be repeated by anyone, young or old, rich or poor and no matter what state a person is in, it will purify him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Besides Om Nama Shivaya can be translated (though somewhat too literal) I bow down to Mahesh. There's on small problem here - 'Om Namah Shivaya' isn't a genuine 'bija' mantra - it's just a common Sanskrit phrase. So, you might as well just say to yourself 'I bow down to Mr. Varma' or 'I bow down to Pilot Guru'. Bija mantras are esoteric - they don't have any semantic meaning. If you've been doing this for any length of time then it's been wasted time. You can see what effect this had on the Swami Muktananda! The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
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On Jan 4, 2009, at 4:30 PM, menkemeyer wrote: I think your understanding of Om Nama Shiva is somewhat preverted from it's true meaning and power. see the following. Chris Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Is it more powerful than Klaatu Barada Nikto, also known as the six-syllable mantra? The meaning It means I bow to Shiva. Shiva is the supreme reality, the inner Self. It is the name given to consciousness that dwells in all. Shiva is the name of your true identity your self. My identity crisis is over! Thanks. According to Hindu mythology there are three Gods who run this creation. The Brahma - who creates the universe, the Vishnu - who preserves the Universe and the Shiva- who in the end destroys the universe. Among the three deities, Shiva, though considered as destroyer, also symbolize the - the inner self which remains intact even after everything ends. In this mantra the chanter (one who repeats the mantra) bow to Shiva- his true self. Om Namah Shivay is a very powerful mantra. It has been said about this mantra that if this mantra vibrates continually in your heart, then you have no need to perform austerities, to meditate, or to practise yoga. To repeat this mantra you need no rituals or ceremonies, nor must you repeat it at an auspicious time or in a particular place. This mantra is free of all restrictions. You mean it hasn't been trademarked yet? It can be repeated by anyone, young or old, rich or poor and no matter what state a person is in, it will purify him. Wow. Now that's heavy. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, menkemeyer menkeme...@... wrote: I think your understanding of Om Nama Shiva is somewhat preverted from it's true meaning and power. see the following. Chris Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. The meaning It means I bow to Shiva. Shiva is the supreme reality, the inner Self. It is the name given to consciousness that dwells in all. Shiva is the name of your true identity your self. According to Hindu mythology there are three Gods who run this creation. The Brahma - who creates the universe, the Vishnu - who preserves the Universe and the Shiva- who in the end destroys the universe. Among the three deities, Shiva, though considered as destroyer, also symbolize the - the inner self which remains intact even after everything ends. In this mantra the chanter (one who repeats the mantra) bow to Shiva- his true self. Om Namah Shivay is a very powerful mantra. It has been said about this mantra that if this mantra vibrates continually in your heart, then you have no need to perform austerities, to meditate, or to practise yoga. To repeat this mantra you need no rituals or ceremonies, nor must you repeat it at an auspicious time or in a particular place. This mantra is free of all restrictions. It can be repeated by anyone, young or old, rich or poor and no matter what state a person is in, it will purify him. (snip) I think of it in terms of the 'Holy Spirit'... In the 'Father, Son and Holy Spirit', Trinity Concept... Where Father is Brahma, Son is Vishnu aNd Holy Spirit is Shiva... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
--.Benefits from the mantra will be minimal unless Shakti is part of the picture. The Shiva/Shakti Principle is superior to either alone. (indeed, one should follow Shiva's own words, and the words of Shankara). Shakti may be obtained from association with a long-standing lineage of Gurus in any Shiva/Shakti lineage; such as the Shankaracharya Tradition or Muktananda's Tradition. Thus, chanting Om Namah Shiva in association with audio tapes of Muktananda chanting the mantra will get you tons of Shakti. Just reading about the mantra and then chanting it without connecting the mantra to Shakti would be similar to the tactic of trying to transcend by repeating a TM mantra gotten from a book. Thus, the idea that Om Namah Shiva is free of restrictions is an improper understanding of the mantra's purpose in relation to the Self. The Self is ALREADY free of restrictions!. But one needs Shakti power to enliven the mantras; otherwise the boat analogy: (boat ferrying one across the sea of samsara) will only result in a boat stuck in the harbor. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, menkemeyer menkemeyer@ wrote: I think your understanding of Om Nama Shiva is somewhat preverted from it's true meaning and power. see the following. Chris Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. The meaning It means I bow to Shiva. Shiva is the supreme reality, the inner Self. It is the name given to consciousness that dwells in all. Shiva is the name of your true identity your self. According to Hindu mythology there are three Gods who run this creation. The Brahma - who creates the universe, the Vishnu - who preserves the Universe and the Shiva- who in the end destroys the universe. Among the three deities, Shiva, though considered as destroyer, also symbolize the - the inner self which remains intact even after everything ends. In this mantra the chanter (one who repeats the mantra) bow to Shiva- his true self. Om Namah Shivay is a very powerful mantra. It has been said about this mantra that if this mantra vibrates continually in your heart, then you have no need to perform austerities, to meditate, or to practise yoga. To repeat this mantra you need no rituals or ceremonies, nor must you repeat it at an auspicious time or in a particular place. This mantra is free of all restrictions. It can be repeated by anyone, young or old, rich or poor and no matter what state a person is in, it will purify him. (snip) I think of it in terms of the 'Holy Spirit'... In the 'Father, Son and Holy Spirit', Trinity Concept... Where Father is Brahma, Son is Vishnu aNd Holy Spirit is Shiva... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 4:30 PM, menkemeyer wrote: I think your understanding of Om Nama Shiva is somewhat preverted from it's true meaning and power. see the following. Chris Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Is it more powerful than Klaatu Barada Nikto, also known as the six-syllable mantra? snip.. That was a good one- saw the original version of it- good show.
