Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread Share Long 
methinks the laddy doth protest too much!





On Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:09 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  In my experience this is really good market analysis. I think you
guys really care.
  -Buck

Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare
to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone on
record as saying that the analyses you think are good are
bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become
FFL's next stalking victim.  :-)

But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's whole
marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance
fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just can't
wait to become Just Like Them.

All those unhappy people out there in the world want
nothing more than to evolve to the level in which they
spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing
around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people
Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars
for the privilege. Yeah, right.  :-)

That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who *might*
be in the market for a simple technique that could improve
their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more
productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a
technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered
on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the domes
of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day so they
can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by
sleep together I mean use the flying time to fall asleep,
not sleep together in the sense of gettin' it on with your
cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there
isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of their
hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.

You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost
of a chance of being able to bring more people to meditation
any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking corpse
of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a parade
of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch of
Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a discrete,
well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by
their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved
enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-
Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good health),
Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a
crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-
thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself). Then
come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of self-
importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,
all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.

Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is going
to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be just
like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need the money
to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the
Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of
enlightenment.

Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to your lifestyle
or your beliefs required. You practice TM not for the time
spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to spend
your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and productive.
That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.

Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to
become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of
four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes
you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the
60s were a lie, doesn't it?

For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug to life
as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by the
standards that most people would use to measure one. And
now they're like drug pushers on a school playground (literally)
trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try it...
you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special price,
the first one's free.

I think that most people are going to perceive this market-
ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by cultists
whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are
becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with
new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna
happen.

   turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
   sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
   I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
   Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
   and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
   peas too (-:

  My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is that of
  cultists, while pitching their product to non-cultists. Many
(including
  some of this forum) seem to equate TMers with TM-Sidhas practicing
in
  a group. They seem to believe that the leap from 20 minutes twice a
day
  and an average of four hours per day (including travel time) is No
  Biggie, and that everyone that wants to learn TM wants to learn to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread Michael Jackson 
Now how can Big Bopper Bevan not be a raja? Hell, he's the damn prime minister 
of the global country of hucksterism, he wears the frock and the tiara, how can 
he not be a raja?

On Sat, 10/26/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target 
audience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, October 26, 2013, 8:09 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
 
 
 
   In my experience this is really good market analysis.
 I think you
 
 guys really care.
 
   -Buck
 
 
 
 Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare
 
 to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone
 on
 
 record as saying that the analyses you think are good are
 
 bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become
 
 FFL's next stalking victim.  :-)
 
 
 
 But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's
 whole
 
 marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance
 
 fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just
 can't
 
 wait to become Just Like Them.
 
 
 
 All those unhappy people out there in the world want
 
 nothing more than to evolve to the level in
 which they
 
 spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing
 
 around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people
 
 Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars
 
 for the privilege. Yeah, right.  :-)
 
 
 
 That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who
 *might*
 
 be in the market for a simple technique that could improve
 
 their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more
 
 productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a
 
 technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered
 
 on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the
 domes
 
 of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day
 so they
 
 can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by
 
 sleep together I mean use the flying
 time to fall asleep,
 
 not sleep together in the sense of gettin'
 it on with your
 
 cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there
 
 isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of
 their
 
 hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.
 
 
 
 You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost
 
 of a chance of being able to bring more people to
 meditation
 
 any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking
 corpse
 
 of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a
 parade
 
 of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch
 of
 
 Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a
 discrete,
 
 well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by
 
 their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved
 
 enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-
 
 Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good
 health),
 
 Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a
 
 crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-
 
 thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself).
 Then
 
 come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of
 self-
 
 importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,
 
 all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.
 
 
 
 Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is
 going
 
 to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be
 just
 
 like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need
 the money
 
 to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the
 
 Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of
 
 enlightenment.
 
 
 
 Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to
 your lifestyle
 
 or your beliefs required. You practice TM not
 for the time
 
 spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to
 spend
 
 your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and
 productive.
 
 That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.
 
 
 
 Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to
 
 become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of
 
 four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes
 
 you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the
 
 60s were a lie, doesn't it?
 
 
 
 For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug
 to life
 
 as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by
 the
 
 standards that most people would use to measure one. And
 
 now they're like drug pushers on a school playground
 (literally)
 
 trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try
 it...
 
 you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special
 price,
 
 the first one's free.
 
 
 
 I think that most people are going to perceive this market-
 
 ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by
 cultists
 
 whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are
 
 becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with
 
 new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna
 
 happen.
 
 
 
turq, I'm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread Richard J. Williams 

MMY and the TMO can't compare to all your life accomplishments, Barry. LoL!

Let's see, you've spent the major part of your adult life in cults and 
given thousands of dollars to at least two cults we know of. And, what 
have you got to show for it? A job that sucks in a town that sucks 
making a few dollars so you can buy coffee at a Paris cafe and write 
comments to post to spiritual groups on the internet. Very impressive! 
Did I leave anything out? LoL!


On 10/26/2013 3:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 In my experience this is really good market analysis. I think you
guys really care.
 -Buck

Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare
to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone on
record as saying that the analyses you think are good are
bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become
FFL's next stalking victim. :-)

But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's whole
marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance
fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just can't
wait to become Just Like Them.

All those unhappy people out there in the world want
nothing more than to evolve to the level in which they
spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing
around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people
Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars
for the privilege. Yeah, right. :-)

That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who *might*
be in the market for a simple technique that could improve
their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more
productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a
technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered
on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the domes
of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day so they
can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by
sleep together I mean use the flying time to fall asleep,
not sleep together in the sense of gettin' it on with your
cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there
isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of their
hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.

You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost
of a chance of being able to bring more people to meditation
any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking corpse
of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a parade
of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch of
Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a discrete,
well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by
their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved
enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-
Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good health),
Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a
crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-
thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself). Then
come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of self-
importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,
all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.

Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is going
to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be just
like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need the money
to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the
Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of
enlightenment.

Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to your lifestyle
or your beliefs required. You practice TM not for the time
spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to spend
your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and productive.
That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.

Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to
become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of
four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes
you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the
60s were a lie, doesn't it?

For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug to life
as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by the
standards that most people would use to measure one. And
now they're like drug pushers on a school playground (literally)
trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try it...
you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special price,
the first one's free.

I think that most people are going to perceive this market-
ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by cultists
whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are
becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with
new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna
happen.

  turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
  sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
  I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
  Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
  and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
  peas too (-:

 My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread Share Long 
Ok, but is the TMO marketing focused on the sidhis or on relaxation and 
creativity? I would think the latter given that DL is front and center. But I 
am out of the TMO loops and have not been to an intro recently so am speaking 
from educated guess rather than experience.





On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:05 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
 sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
 I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
 Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
 and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
 peas too (-:

My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is that of
cultists, while pitching their product to non-cultists. Many (including
some of this forum) seem to equate TMers with TM-Sidhas practicing in
a group. They seem to believe that the leap from 20 minutes twice a day
and an average of four hours per day (including travel time) is No
Biggie, and that everyone that wants to learn TM wants to learn to
butt-bounce and spend that much time away from their real life, too.

I'm merely pointing out that this is an assumption made by people who
*themselves* in most cases gravitated to the four-hours-a-day lifestyle
after *decades* of indoctrination by the TM movement. They've actually
come to believe that such a schedule is normal.

It ain't. And very few people who have...uh...lives will see it that
way, either. They *might* be open to learning a simple,
20-minutes-twice-a-day relaxation technique, but if the first thing that
happens when they go to a TM center for their followup is that people
start hustling them to learn the Sidhis and do them in a group, they're
gonna smell cult.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

  Just a note of caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in this case being the
untold millions you think are required to make the world a better place
and who are out there, just waiting for the right TM marketing approach.
Consider who you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

 The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that John Q. American
Public is quite on the same wavelength that you are. 58% of them
probably wouldn't make it through the 15 day waiting period. The
legalization of marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior, and 53%
believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized. The
more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many die-hard TMers
just doesn't map to the way that most Americans see the world.



http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10

 Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful, because
they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem to indicate that
Americans aren't quite the hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea
Party and others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism is
not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how many Yogic
Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made of polystyrene foam,
and how that's gonna magically create Whirled Peas.

 The thing that would make TM marketable again IMO would be a return
to the more pragmatic approach of the late 60s, in which it was marketed
as a simple relaxation technique that would help to make you less
stressed and more productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives
a shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled for that
one, my bet is that the percentage of people they'd find who believe it
exists wouldn't crack two digits, and the number who would actually pay
money for it would be a fraction of that.

 A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and could help
to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo gateway drug that only
seeks to hook people on a path to spending several hours of their day
bouncing on their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread Michael Jackson 
I agree with his assessment - I think you take issue with it just cuz you don't 
like Barry

On Wed, 10/23/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target 
audience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:33 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
     
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Just a note of
 caution to those who still believe that If we charge
 more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in
 this case being the untold millions you think are required
 to make the world a better place and who are out there, just
 waiting for the right TM marketing approach. Consider who
 you're talking to, and what *they* believe.
 
 The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that
 John Q. American Public is quite on the same wavelength that
 you are. 58% of them probably wouldn't make it through
 the 15 day waiting period. The legalization of
 marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
 Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior,
 and 53% believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized.
 The more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many
 die-hard TMers just doesn't map to the way that most
 Americans see the world. 
 
 
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10
 
 
 Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful,
 because they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem
 to indicate that Americans aren't quite the
 hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea Party and
 others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism
 is not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how
 many Yogic Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made
 of polystyrene foam, and how that's gonna magically
 create Whirled Peas.
 
 The thing that would make TM marketable again
 IMO would be a return to the more pragmatic approach of the
 late 60s, in which it was marketed as a simple relaxation
 technique that would help to make you less stressed and more
 productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives a
 shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled
 for that one, my bet is that the percentage of people
 they'd find who believe it exists wouldn't crack two
 digits, and the number who would actually pay money for it
 would be a fraction of that. 
 
 A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and
 could help to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo
 gateway drug that only seeks to hook people on a
 path to spending several hours of their day bouncing on
 their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
 Just sayin'...
 As usual, Barry misses
 entirely the point of his own post. In addition, he makes up
 random shit, comes to erroneous conclusions and generally
 ends up with mushed carrots rather than his purported
 whirled peas. If Barry were a kitchen appliance
 he would most closely resemble a
 garburator.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread authfriend 
Don't be ridiculous. Did you read my posts on this? What Barry wrote made no 
sense.
 

 Can you refute anything I said?
 

 No, I didn't think so.
  
 Michael wrote:

  I agree with his assessment - I think you take issue with it just cuz you 
  don't like Barry
 
 On Wed, 10/23/13, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target 
audience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:33 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Just a note of
 caution to those who still believe that If we charge
 more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in
 this case being the untold millions you think are required
 to make the world a better place and who are out there, just
 waiting for the right TM marketing approach. Consider who
 you're talking to, and what *they* believe.
 
 The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that
 John Q. American Public is quite on the same wavelength that
 you are. 58% of them probably wouldn't make it through
 the 15 day waiting period. The legalization of
 marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
 Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior,
 and 53% believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized.
 The more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many
 die-hard TMers just doesn't map to the way that most
 Americans see the world. 
 
 
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10
  
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10
 
 
 Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful,
 because they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem
 to indicate that Americans aren't quite the
 hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea Party and
 others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism
 is not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how
 many Yogic Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made
 of polystyrene foam, and how that's gonna magically
 create Whirled Peas.
 
 The thing that would make TM marketable again
 IMO would be a return to the more pragmatic approach of the
 late 60s, in which it was marketed as a simple relaxation
 technique that would help to make you less stressed and more
 productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives a
 shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled
 for that one, my bet is that the percentage of people
 they'd find who believe it exists wouldn't crack two
 digits, and the number who would actually pay money for it
 would be a fraction of that. 
 
 A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and
 could help to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo
 gateway drug that only seeks to hook people on a
 path to spending several hours of their day bouncing on
 their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
 Just sayin'...
 As usual, Barry misses
 entirely the point of his own post. In addition, he makes up
 random shit, comes to erroneous conclusions and generally
 ends up with mushed carrots rather than his purported
 whirled peas. If Barry were a kitchen appliance
 he would most closely resemble a
 garburator.