Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Jason, I agree that the universe is dynamic and ever changing. I would add that 
dynamic balance is the ideal. How about dynamic egalitarianism? And maybe 
that's the phase we're in now. Is sameness equality? I see your point about 
clothing differences. But I also think that FORCED sameness is not beneficial 
for human growth. I was thinking of countries wherein both men and women wear 
long robes or both men and women wear loose pants and long tops.





 From: Jason 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  

Could you name a few countries?

IMHO, dress diferences actually perpetuate, bias, prejudices 
and discriminations, on a very subtle level, deep  in the 
subconscious.

Where is Ann when I need her?

Nothing in the universe is static. We evolve and adapt to 
everchanging conditions. Stasis means sure extinction. The 
universe is an extremely dynamic place.  This is really a 
survival issue.


> --- "sharelong60"  wrote:
> 
> Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in  
> very similar ways. But those countries don't seem very  
> egalitarian to me!
> 
> > From: Jason 
> >
> > Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on
> > very subtle levels.  There are invisible glass ceilings.  It
> > can take generations to wipe them out.
> > 
> > An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public
> > spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly
> > egalitarian society.
> > 
> > > --- "sharelong60"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped
> > > out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian
> > > society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't
> > > even know what to ask except: can you say more?
> > > 
> > > > From: Jason 
> > > > 
> > > > The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two 
> > > > equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far 
> > > > superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain 
> > > > aspects of indian philosophy.
> > > > 
> > > > Science itself says that male and female are equals but
> > > > different.
> > > > 
> > > > Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.
> > > > 
> > > > Any society or culture that is imbalanced will
> > > > eventually destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and
> > > > always tries to reach an equilibrium.  I have always 
> > > > believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is 
> > > > an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian 
> > > > society.
> > > > 
> > > > "If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign 
> > > > force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal 
> > > > vice."
> > > > 
> > > > ~French philosopher, Montesquieu
> > > > 

> > > > > --- "s3raphita"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was
> > > > > originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in
> > > > > the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic
> > > > > of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
> > > > > in favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters
> > > > > but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
> > > > > were anything but "natural". There was something
> > > > > positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
> > > > > us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
> > > > > an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
> > > > > strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
> > > > > were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a
> > > > > display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,
> > > > > the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the
> > > > > citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
> > > > > gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
> > > > > this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our
> > > > > attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he
> > > > > concluded.
> > > > > 
> > > > > A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I
> > > > > came across a country such as you describe I would assume
> > > > > that the people were starving. What a splendid response!
> > > > > The implication being that men frequent strip shows
> > > > > because they are sex-starved.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we
> > > > > inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Jason]

Could you name a few countries?

IMHO, dress diferences actually perpetuate, bias, prejudices
and discriminations, on a very subtle level, deep  in the
subconscious.

Where is Ann when I need her?

Nothing in the universe is static. We evolve and adapt to
everchanging conditions. Stasis means sure extinction. The
universe is an extremely dynamic place.  This is really a
survival issue.


> --- "sharelong60"  wrote:
>
> Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in
> very similar ways. But those countries don't seem very
> egalitarian to me!
>
> > From: Jason 
> >
> > Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on
> > very subtle levels.  There are invisible glass ceilings.  It
> > can take generations to wipe them out.
> >
> > An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public
> > spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly
> > egalitarian society.
> >
> > > --- "sharelong60"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped
> > > out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian
> > > society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't
> > > even know what to ask except: can you say more?
> > >
> > > > From: Jason 
> > > >
> > > > The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two
> > > > equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far
> > > > superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain
> > > > aspects of indian philosophy.
> > > >
> > > > Science itself says that male and female are equals but
> > > > different.
> > > >
> > > > Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.
> > > >
> > > > Any society or culture that is imbalanced will
> > > > eventually destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and
> > > > always tries to reach an equilibrium.  I have always
> > > > believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is
> > > > an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian
> > > > society.
> > > >
> > > > "If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign
> > > > force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal
> > > > vice."
> > > >
> > > > ~French philosopher, Montesquieu
> > > >

> > > > > --- "s3raphita"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was
> > > > > originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in
> > > > > the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic
> > > > > of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
> > > > > in favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters
> > > > > but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
> > > > > were anything but "natural". There was something
> > > > > positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
> > > > > us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
> > > > > an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
> > > > > strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
> > > > > were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a
> > > > > display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,
> > > > > the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the
> > > > > citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
> > > > > gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
> > > > > this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our
> > > > > attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he
> > > > > concluded.
> > > > >
> > > > > A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I
> > > > > came across a country such as you describe I would assume
> > > > > that the people were starving. What a splendid response!
> > > > > The implication being that men frequent strip shows
> > > > > because they are sex-starved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we
> > > > > inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Steve Sundur]

actually my employee saw it over the weekend at a store called "Gringo Jones" 
near where he lives.  Gringo Jones is kind of a funky store.
 


 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
   
 
Steve, there are certain places in the US where I wouldn't drive with that on 
my car's bumper sticker! Was that sign by any chance in front of a gambling 
casino?!

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
sign recently seen: "if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing"
 


 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of "oh happy fall." Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!

 


 From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ... This is just an iteration of the 
old protestant/roman catholic theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... "o god, o 
god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change." 
Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the 
sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo. However the "pride of the evil 
one" was much more colorfully described by Milton in "Paradise Lost". However, 
"Paradise Lost" is just another iteration of the old theology. More interesting 
is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station 
because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down 
to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one 
other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out 
of unconquerable love, he subsists upon the last command of this true love  
"be gone!" The Sufi's insist
 this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... "Won't you 
come to the weeping Jesus in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile 
of filth!"   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
"In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins."  Read more:  'The Theology of 
Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/ 

 

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[s3raphita]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Steve, there are certain places in the US where I wouldn't drive with that on 
my car's bumper sticker! Was that sign by any chance in front of a gambling 
casino?!





 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
sign recently seen: "if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing"

From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 
  
emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of "oh happy fall." Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!


From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 
  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ... This is just an iteration of the 
old protestant/roman catholic theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... "o god, o 
god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change." 
Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the 
sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo. However the "pride of the evil 
one" was much more colorfully described by Milton in "Paradise Lost". However, 
"Paradise Lost" is just another iteration of the old theology. More interesting 
is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station 
because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down 
to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one 
other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out 
of unconquerable love, he subsists upon the last command of this true love  
"be gone!" The Sufi's insist
 this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... "Won't you 
come to the weeping Jesus in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile 
of filth!"   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
"In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins."  Read more:  'The Theology of 
Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Steve Sundur]

sign recently seen: "if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing"
 


 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
   
 
emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of "oh happy fall." Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!

 


 From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ...This is just an iteration of the 
old protestant/roman catholictheology of sin, guilt, redemption ... "o god, o 
god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna 
change."Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to 
the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo.However the "pride of the evil 
one" was much more colorfully described by Milton in "Paradise Lost". However, 
"Paradise Lost" is just another iteration of the old theology.More interesting 
is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station 
because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down 
to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one 
other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out 
of unconquerable love, he subsistsupon the last command of this true love  
"be gone!"The Sufi's insist this is
 a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... "Won't you come to 
the weeping Jesusin your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of 
filth!"  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
"In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it  “has been 
the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family  since the world 
began… it was through Pride that the devil became the  devil: Pride leads to 
every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it  is his pride—an 
unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to  be a charity case even 
when faced with his own impending death—that  starts him on the path toward 
manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst  that leads to all of Walter’s other 
sins."  Read more:  'The Theology of Breaking Bad' 
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/ 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in very similar ways. But 
those countries don't seem very egalitarian to me!




 From: Jason 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  

Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on 
very subtle levels.  There are invisible glass ceilings.  It 
can take generations to wipe them out.

An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public 
spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly 
egalitarian society.


> --- "sharelong60"  wrote:
> 
> Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped 
> out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian 
> society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't 
> even know what to ask except: can you say more?
>
> > From: Jason 
> > 
> > The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two  
> > equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far  
> > superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain  
> > aspects of indian philosophy.
> > 
> > Science itself says that male and female are equals but 
> > different.
> > 
> > Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.
> > 
> > Any society or culture that is imbalanced will 
> > eventually destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and 
> > always tries to reach an equilibrium.  I have always  
> > believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is  
> > an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian  
> > society.
> > 
> > "If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign  
> > force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal  
> > vice."
> > 
> > ~French philosopher, Montesquieu
> > 

> > >  --- "s3raphita"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was 
> > > originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in 
> > > the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic 
> > > of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
> > > in favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters 
> > > but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
> > > were anything but "natural". There was something 
> > > positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
> > > us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
> > > an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
> > > strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
> > > were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a 
> > > display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, 
> > > the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the 
> > > citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
> > > gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
> > > this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our 
> > > attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he 
> > > concluded.
> > > 
> > > A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I 
> > > came across a country such as you describe I would assume
> > > that the people were starving. What a splendid response! 
> > > The implication being that men frequent strip shows 
> > > because they are sex-starved.
> > > 
> > > Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we 
> > > inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?


>
> > --- Pundister  wrote:
> >
> > "In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great
> > Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in
> > every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it
> > was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride
> > leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that
> > it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal
> > treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when
> > faced with his own impending death' that starts him on 
> > the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the 
> > catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins."
> >
> > Read more:
> >
> > 'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
> > http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Seraphita, are people more sex obsessed now than before? Or is it simply that 
there's more openness about the obsession now? As for Lewis, in Shadowlands he 
seems like a confirmed bachelor who had a rug pulled out from under his feet! 
I'm guessing he was pretty innocent about sex as well as being naive about the 
Catholic Church.





 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Re I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food 
analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a 
long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit.": 
yes, I think that's right. (Though the food analogy might break down if you 
consider those many millionaires who had starved in their youth. Though they 
later became fabulously rich they stayed tight-fisted to their dying day. One 
chap always used to have hard-boiled eggs on him so that he didn't find himself 
having to pay for a meal.) 

Someone might object, though, that the people over-indulging now aren't the 
people who were starving. The sixties' sex revolution was a long time ago. 
What's happened is that people now have "sex on the brain". Thanks to mass 
media saturation sex has moved into our mental "imaginary sphere" and 
imaginations can't be limited as real-life experience is.

Lewis probably never saw that the rise of porn and S&M culture, etc, owes a lot 
to the fact that Christianity made sex sinful. 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the 
food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet 
for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that 
deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the 
porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher 
David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most 
beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual 
way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of 
romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. This all reminds me of 
something I read once, sorry can't remember the author at the moment: that men 
need sex to feel love and women need to feel love to have sex. Seems like one 
of life's little jests.

PS I know about CS Lewis only from the movie Shadowlands, based on his life, 
specifically his marriage.




 From: "s3raphita@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of 
talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the 
delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in 
favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely 
contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but "natural". There was 
something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to 
consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he 
said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that 
the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of 
food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed 
to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone 
seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? 
Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes
 towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded.

A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country 
such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a 
splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because 
they are sex-starved.

Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right 
or the anonymous listener? 



--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>"In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
>“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
>since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
>devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
>is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
>be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
>starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
>that leads to all of Walter’s other sins."
>
>Read more:
>
>'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
>http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Richard, get this, which I am not making up: I first watched Twilight around 
the same time my landlords started making garlic infused oil in the third 
apartment of the house! Ok, I'm gonna do some research on Walking Dead because 
it definitely sounds like a very cool theme even though generally I'm not into 
horror shows. I think Twilight is tame compared to most. 





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: Richard J. Williams  
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between 
werewolves. 

Go figure.

If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's
  The Walking Dead.

Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking
  Dead tells the 
story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a
  zombie apocalypse. A
Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama.

The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer
  Rick Grimes, who are traveling
in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the
  zombies, it is the living who 
remain that truly become the walking dead.

And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all.
  LoL!

Read more:

'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV'
New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/

'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies
  at All'
The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/

On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

  
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>>
>> turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels 
>> that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of 
>> the archetypal story of love between an immortal and 
>> a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. 
>> In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to 
>> something greater than ourselves. Actually I think 
>> most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, 
>> evoking the human yearning for unity with something 
>> more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to 
>> Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the
  Beast, 
>> another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an 
>> accident that the heroine is called Bella and the 
>> hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the 
>> archetypal aspects are also getting through to the 
>> teen audiences.
>
>I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
>way through the first novel only because someone
>was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.
>
>I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
>was feeling as I read. FAR from "archetypal" or
>"mythic," I found it to be the literary counterpart
>of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
>talk guys and gals into wearing "virginity rings."
>
>It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
>the dangers of getting close to them taking the 
>place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching 
>"sublimation," and resisting of natural desires, and 
>trying to elevate those things as if they were noble 
>and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate 
>message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. 
>
>But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
>the whole "Twilight" thang are the number of *older*
>women who fixate on it. 
>
>> 
>> From: turquoiseb 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking
  Bad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
>> >
>> > Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the
  listener are right. 
>> > Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an
  essential nutrient 
>> > has been missing from the diet for a long time
  and now the 
>> > person is overindulging to make up for that
  deficit. But what 
>> > is the nutrient that's being so feverishly
  sought via the porn 
>> > industry? This helps me understand a little: my
  favorite 
>> > tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a
  straight man, 
>> > the female body is the most beautiful thing in
  the world. 
>> > Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same
  visual way 
>> > but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up
  in the 
>> > popularity of romance nov

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[authfriend]

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Jason]

Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on
very subtle levels.  There are invisible glass ceilings.  It
can take generations to wipe them out.

An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public
spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly
egalitarian society.


> --- "sharelong60"  wrote:
>
> Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped
> out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian
> society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't
> even know what to ask except: can you say more?
>
> > From: Jason 
> >
> > The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two
> > equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far
> > superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain
> > aspects of indian philosophy.
> >
> > Science itself says that male and female are equals but
> > different.
> >
> > Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.
> >
> > Any society or culture that is imbalanced will
> > eventually destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and
> > always tries to reach an equilibrium.  I have always
> > believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is
> > an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian
> > society.
> >
> > "If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign
> > force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal
> > vice."
> >
> > ~French philosopher, Montesquieu
> >

> > >  --- "s3raphita"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was
> > > originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in
> > > the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic
> > > of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
> > > in favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters
> > > but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
> > > were anything but "natural". There was something
> > > positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
> > > us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
> > > an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
> > > strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
> > > were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a
> > > display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,
> > > the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the
> > > citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
> > > gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
> > > this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our
> > > attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he
> > > concluded.
> > >
> > > A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I
> > > came across a country such as you describe I would assume
> > > that the people were starving. What a splendid response!
> > > The implication being that men frequent strip shows
> > > because they are sex-starved.
> > >
> > > Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we
> > > inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?


>
> > --- Pundister  wrote:
> >
> > "In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great
> > Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in
> > every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it
> > was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride
> > leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that
> > it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal
> > treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when
> > faced with his own impending death' that starts him on
> > the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the
> > catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins."
> >
> > Read more:
> >
> > 'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
> > http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[s3raphita]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Richard J. Williams]

Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between 
werewolves.


Go figure.

If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's The 
Walking Dead.


Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking Dead 
tells the
story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a zombie 
apocalypse. A

Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama.

The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer Rick 
Grimes, who are traveling
in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the zombies, it 
is the living who

remain that truly become the walking dead.

And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all. LoL!

Read more:

'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV'
New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/media/walking-dead-helps-solidify-amcs-ratings-success.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0>


'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies at All'
The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/ 
<http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/the-walking-dead-like-all-zombie-stories-not-about-zombies-at-all/265549/>


On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels
> that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of
> the archetypal story of love between an immortal and
> a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists.
> In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to
> something greater than ourselves. Actually I think
> most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level,
> evoking the human yearning for unity with something
> more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to
> Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast,
> another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an
> accident that the heroine is called Bella and the
> hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the
> archetypal aspects are also getting through to the
> teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from "archetypal" or
"mythic," I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing "virginity rings."

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching
"sublimation," and resisting of natural desires, and
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan.

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole "Twilight" thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it.

> ________
> From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
>
>
>
> Â
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> >
> > Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right.
> > Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient
> > has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the
> > person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what
> > is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn
> > industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite
> > tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man,
> > the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world.
> > Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way
> > but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the
> > popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and
> > chick flicks.
>
> As an example of the creative uses of "context shifting" I
> wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
> article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
> popularity of "tweenager porn."
>
> 
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn 


>
> I agree with him completely, at least about "Twilight."
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did 
your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled 
by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more?





 From: Jason 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  

The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal 
energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior 
philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of 
indian philosophy.

Seience itself says that male and female are equals but 
different.

Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.

Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually 
destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and always tries to 
reach an equilibrium.  I have always believed that an unisex 
dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in 
a truly egalitarian society.

"If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; 
if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice."

~French philosopher, Montesquieu


> --- "s3raphita"  wrote:
> 
> Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was  
> originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in  
> the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic  
> of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all 
> in favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters  
> but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex 
> were anything but "natural". There was something  
> positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked 
> us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such 
> an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a 
> strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants 
> were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a  
> display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,  
> the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the  
> citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had 
> gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of 
> this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our  
> attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he  
> concluded.
> 
> A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I  
> came across a country such as you describe I would assume 
> that the people were starving. What a splendid response!  
> The implication being that men frequent strip shows  
> because they are sex-starved.
> 
> Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we  
> inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? 
> 
> > --- Pundister  wrote:
> > 
> > "In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great 
> > Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in 
> > every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it 
> > was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride 
> > leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that 
> > it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal 
> > treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when 
> > faced with his own impending death' that starts him on  
> > the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the  
> > catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins."
> > 
> > Read more:
> > 
> > 'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
> > http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

well turq, it turns out that Stephanie Meyers is a Mormon so maybe you are 
right about her attitude towards teen sex. I still appreciate its archetypal 
elements. Another one: the heroine torn between her immortal aspect as 
symbolized by the vampire and her animal aspect as symbolized by Jacob, the 
werewolf.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels 
> that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of 
> the archetypal story of love between an immortal and 
> a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. 
> In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to 
> something greater than ourselves. Actually I think 
> most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, 
> evoking the human yearning for unity with something 
> more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to 
> Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, 
> another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an 
> accident that the heroine is called Bella and the 
> hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the 
> archetypal aspects are also getting through to the 
> teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from "archetypal" or
"mythic," I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing "virginity rings."

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the 
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching 
"sublimation," and resisting of natural desires, and 
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble 
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate 
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. 

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole "Twilight" thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it. 

> ____
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
> 
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. 
> > Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient 
> > has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the 
> > person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what 
> > is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn 
> > industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite 
> > tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, 
> > the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. 
> > Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way 
> > but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the 
> > popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and 
> > chick flicks. 
> 
> As an example of the creative uses of "context shifting" I
> wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
> article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
> popularity of "tweenager porn."
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-pornÂ
>  
> 
> I agree with him completely, at least about "Twilight."
>


 

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Judy, since you're still confused, I'm asking what you meant by: one doesn't 
know whether to laugh or cry. 





 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Share struggled: 

Judy, why is that? What are you confused about?

I believe I said one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Are your beliefs so set in stone?

Which beliefs would those be, Share?






 From: "authfriend@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Share observed: 

emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion.

One truly doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.



 

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[authfriend]

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[authfriend]

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Judy, why is that? What are you confused about? Are your beliefs so set in 
stone?





 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Share observed: 

emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion.

One truly doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of "oh happy fall." Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!





 From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ...

This is just an iteration of the old protestant/roman catholic
theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... "o god, o god, I know 
I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna 
change."

Such b.s. 

This distorted view of human nature/god's nature 
goes back to the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo.

However the "pride of the evil one" was much more colorfully 
described by Milton in "Paradise Lost". 

However, "Paradise Lost" is just another iteration of the old 
theology.

More interesting is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from 
his exalted angelic station because he so ecstatically loved 
God that he refused God's command to bow down to God's 
own vicar ... the earthy Adam. 

The reason? He could worship no one other than his chosen 
deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. 

The consequence? Out of unconquerable love, he subsists
upon the last command of this true love  "be gone!"

The Sufi's insist this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis 
than the pathetic ... "Won't you come to the weeping Jesus
in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of filth!"

 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


"In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins."

Read more:

'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Jason]

The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal
energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior
philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of
indian philosophy.

Seience itself says that male and female are equals but
different.

Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.

Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually
destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and always tries to
reach an equilibrium.  I have always believed that an unisex
dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in
a truly egalitarian society.

"If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force;
if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice."

~French philosopher, Montesquieu


> --- "s3raphita"  wrote:
>
> Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was
> originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in
> the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic
> of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
> in favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters
> but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
> were anything but "natural". There was something
> positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
> us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
> an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
> strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
> were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a
> display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,
> the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the
> citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
> gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
> this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our
> attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he
> concluded.
>
> A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I
> came across a country such as you describe I would assume
> that the people were starving. What a splendid response!
> The implication being that men frequent strip shows
> because they are sex-starved.
>
> Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we
> inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?
>
> > --- Pundister  wrote:
> >
> > "In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great
> > Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in
> > every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it
> > was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride
> > leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that
> > it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal
> > treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when
> > faced with his own impending death' that starts him on
> > the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the
> > catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins."
> >
> > Read more:
> >
> > 'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
> > http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels 
> that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of 
> the archetypal story of love between an immortal and 
> a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. 
> In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to 
> something greater than ourselves. Actually I think 
> most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, 
> evoking the human yearning for unity with something 
> more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to 
> Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, 
> another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an 
> accident that the heroine is called Bella and the 
> hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the 
> archetypal aspects are also getting through to the 
> teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from "archetypal" or
"mythic," I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing "virginity rings."

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the 
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching 
"sublimation," and resisting of natural desires, and 
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble 
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate 
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. 

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole "Twilight" thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it. 


> ____
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. 
> > Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient 
> > has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the 
> > person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what 
> > is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn 
> > industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite 
> > tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, 
> > the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. 
> > Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way 
> > but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the 
> > popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and 
> > chick flicks. 
> 
> As an example of the creative uses of "context shifting" I
> wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
> article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
> popularity of "tweenager porn."
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-pornÂ
>  
> 
> I agree with him completely, at least about "Twilight."
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think 
it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal 
and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a 
story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I 
think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human 
yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with 
regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another 
archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called 
Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal 
aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. 
> Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient 
> has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the 
> person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what 
> is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn 
> industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite 
> tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, 
> the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. 
> Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way 
> but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the 
> popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and 
> chick flicks. 

As an example of the creative uses of "context shifting" I
wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
popularity of "tweenager porn."

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn
 

I agree with him completely, at least about "Twilight." 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right.
> Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient
> has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the
> person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what
> is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn
> industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite
> tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man,
> the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world.
> Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way
> but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the
> popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and
> chick flicks.

As an example of the creative uses of "context shifting" I
wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
popularity of "tweenager porn."

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tween\
age-porn


I agree with him completely, at least about "Twilight."

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

[Share Long]

Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the 
food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet 
for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that 
deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the 
porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher 
David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most 
beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual 
way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of 
romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. This all reminds me of 
something I read once, sorry can't remember the author at the moment: that men 
need sex to feel love and women need to feel love to have sex. Seems like one 
of life's little jests.

PS I know about CS Lewis only from the movie Shadowlands, based on his life, 
specifically his marriage.




 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of 
talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the 
delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in 
favour of a "natural"attitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely 
contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but "natural". There was 
something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to 
consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he 
said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that 
the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of 
food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed 
to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone 
seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? 
Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes
 towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded.

A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country 
such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a 
splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because 
they are sex-starved.

Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right 
or the anonymous listener? 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


"In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins."

Read more:

'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
 

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