[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
jstein wrote: We have Bush in office today, rather than Gore, because of rampant dishonesty; we're losing our young men and women in Iraq, and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, because of rampant dishonesty, because that dishonesty was *tolerated*, because too many people didn't care about it. These are all deceptions - you should refrain from posting your personal political propaganda. This is just your liberal opinion, nothing more, and your statements are not based on facts, at any rate. President Bush won the election fair and square based on our form of representative government. Over 50% of voting Americans re-elected Bush AFTER the Iraq invasion. Our armed forces are not rampantly dishonest - over 140,000 of our brave troops believe in supporting their elected government. Bush never killed anyone. Rick Archer wrote: 13) Discussions of politics that affect personal growth and world consciousness are allowed. However, be kind and respectful of others' viewpoints. Come with a humble heart, an open mind, and the desire to contribute constructively to everyone's broader awareness. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140425
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you wrote was very decieving - you attempted to decieve. No, again, that would be you. What you wrote was decieving - I've seen no evidence that Wells Fargo Bank hired illegal aliens as bank tellers, clerks, or custodians. So, apparently they all didn't hire illegals. What you wrote was decieving. Quite correct. By writing, below, all hire illegals IS deceiving. It is equivalent to saying that a person who jaywalks breaks the law because jaywalking is against the law. jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Peter: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. Judy: F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. She, they, just don't get it. It's an addiction, clothed in moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and that it must be restored. God Save the Queen. What they don't realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. Another thought here: How can you possibly not care that there are several people on this forum who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods? This makes no sense to me. If you don't care about dishonesty, what *can* you care about? Dishonesty underlies so many of the evils of this world. How can you just *ignore* it when it's right under your nose? Why didn't a dozen people jump on Shemp when he claimed Al Gore's father was a segregationist? It's because even YOU admit that he voted against the Civil Rights Act. When people read that they think: Okay, that technically doesn't mean he's an actual segregationist, but until I have more information, HE'S SUSPECT! Then, perhaps, they read on and discover that after being in Congress and the Senate for several decades Gore lost his bid for reelection PRECISELY BECAUSE HE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART AND CAME OUT AGAINST SEGREGATION. What does that say about his previous 30 years representing a Dixiecrat state? Do you think that someone could be reelected from a southern state during this tumultuous time period in race relations because he was AGAINST segregation Or perhaps they read anecdotes about his personal life -- recounted by Al Junior's Black Nanny -- that Senior and family frequented segregated restaurants? Your adamant insistence on such an issue, Judy, is why people do NOT regularly defend you on a regular basis. How can you not care about an honorable public servant, no longer around to defend himself, being slandered in public with the aim of denigrating his son, the leader in the fight against global warming? It is because the ONLY reason Al Gore ever got elected in the first place as a senator from Tennessee was that it was his father's old Senate seat, just like Bush got his political success because of HIS father. So it is fair game. And it is fair game to try and understand the motivations behind why such an apparently intelligent person resorts to the worst kind of fear-mongering and I attempted to posit an explanation by examining where he got his fear-mongering from. If Al Gore Sr. were still alive and happened to be a participant here, if he spoke up to defend himself, apparently you'd be happy to dump on him as you do me. Would it not be a fair question to ask him why he voted against the Civil Rights Act? We have Bush in office today, rather than Gore, because of rampant dishonesty; we're losing our young men and women in Iraq, and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, because of rampant dishonesty, because that dishonesty was *tolerated*, because too many people didn't care about it. How can you not be against dishonesty wherever you find it? I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. Judy: F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. She, they, just don't get it. It's an addiction, clothed in moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and that it must be restored. God Save the Queen. What they don't realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. Another thought here: How can you possibly not care that there are several people on this forum who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods? This makes no sense to me. If you don't care about dishonesty, what *can* you care about? Dishonesty underlies so many of the evils of this world. How can you just *ignore* it when it's right under your nose? Why didn't a dozen people jump on Shemp when he claimed Al Gore's father was a segregationist? How can you not care about an honorable public servant, no longer around to defend himself, being slandered in public with the aim of denigrating his son, the leader in the fight against global warming? If Al Gore Sr. were still alive and happened to be a participant here, if he spoke up to defend himself, apparently you'd be happy to dump on him as you do me. We have Bush in office today, rather than Gore, because of rampant dishonesty; we're losing our young men and women in Iraq, and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, because of rampant dishonesty, because that dishonesty was *tolerated*, because too many people didn't care about it. How can you not be against dishonesty wherever you find it? I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction. OK. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate how it affects you. Certainly you have to go the distance in things you believe passionately about. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction. OK. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate how it affects you. Certainly you have to go the distance in things you believe passionately about. Actually, one of the very few things I believe passionately in is the value of honesty and the destructiveness of dishonesty. With all the disagreement in the world and all the problems it causes, it seems to me just appalling that it should be complicated and exacerbated by dishonesty. How can we even get to the point of peaceably agreeing to disagree, let alone come to a mutual understanding, if one side is indulging in deliberate falsehood, and that is *tolerated* by others? How can anybody have respect for an opinion that is supported by assertions which are knowingly factually false?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thought here: How can you possibly not care that there are several people on this forum who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods? Great question! Speaking for myself alone, it's because I know them, and I know how much weight to give their postings. If they touch my heart, I thank them, inwardly or outwardly. If they don't, I ignore them. They are who they are. Arguing with them, as I used to do from time to time when I first came to FFL, felt like Brer Rabbit's kicking the tar-baby. The tar baby didn't get any cleaner, and I came away needing a good scrub. To change analogies, on closer look I found that I was trying to comb the mirror to fix my own unruly hair. The part of me that was irritated by them was often the very part I saw in them -- my inner fundamentalist, the one who was so certain he was right, the one who never saw the need to change, the one who had so little integrity he was projecting all his sins out onto others and damning them. Over the years I've come to see that almost always this little self- righteous guy is generally *not* absolutely right -- in fact, he's almost always wrong, he didn't see the bigger picture. In my case, the bigger picture has turned out to be my feeling-level. On the feeling level, he's in pain; I am not as attracted to identify with the self-righteousness of the fundamentalist crusader as I once was. Nor do I hate him, as I once did -- the hate and the unconscious identification being two sides of the same coin. I've found this is the only way I can really reach the little guy -- through detachment. By neither hating nor identifying with him, I am free to love him, as he is. And that's more important to me than his being right or wrong. This is not to say that any of this is what You should or should not be doing, of course. Who am I to judge You? As far as I can see, I think what you're doing and who you are, is great. I am just trying to clarify why I don't care about their falsehoods. It's because I found that just behind caring who was right and who was wrong, was caring for the being who cared so much, and that being was in a lot of pain. Identifying with that being exclusively, had become intensely painful. Whether I was right or they were -- neither way worked for me. Either way, I lost! Or to put it another way, my belly won -- but my heart lost. For me, since then, it is generally a great relief to realize it's not me; it's not them; it's a pattern between Us. snip I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction. If you're enjoying this stance, I think it's great -- more power to you. For me, resistance = projection/identification = pain, and I generally prefer detachment/love, in this moment. *L*L*L*
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
What you wrote was very decieving - you attempted to decieve. No, again, that would be you. What you wrote was decieving - I've seen no evidence that Wells Fargo Bank hired illegal aliens as bank tellers, clerks, or custodians. So, apparently they all didn't hire illegals. What you wrote was decieving. jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
Peter: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. Judy: F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. She, they, just don't get it. It's an addiction, clothed in moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and that it must be restored. God Save the Queen. What they don't realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. This, matters not a lick. With the utmost seriousness they cite the evidence which will win the case. (in their minds) lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. Judy: F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. She, they, just don't get it. It's an addiction, clothed in moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and that it must be restored. God Save the Queen. What they don't realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. This, matters not a lick. With the utmost seriousness they cite the evidence which will win the case. (in their minds) Bullcrap. It's easy to scoff when it's happening to somebody else. When was the last time you were a target? And why don't you try focusing on the attacker for a change? If there were no attacks, there wouldn't be any defenses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. So, they are illegals, but are you suggesting that the above companies employ 12 million of them, all with stolen or forged Social Security cards? What percentage of the illegals are employed by the above cited companies? 1%? Shemp wrote: It's far, far less than 1%. I know. I'm relying on the same source as Judy is (the Akasha). So, Judy was attempting to decieve. jstein wrote: No, that would be you and Shemp, of course. So, what percentage of illegal aliens work for the cited companies? More than 1%? It seemed like you were trying to say that most of the estimated 12 million illegals worked for them, but according to Shemp, far less than 1% did. My guess is that about two illegal aliens may have worked for Wells Fargo Bank on a clean-up crew. According to Shemp, most of the illegal aliens worked through sub-contractors and were not hired directly by the companies themselves. 'Wal-Mart Pays for Hiring Illegal Aliens' http://immigration.about.com/b/a/162521.htm An investigation by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement uncovered that contractors providing cleaning services to Wal-Mart hired illegal aliens for the job.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. So, they are illegals, but are you suggesting that the above companies employ 12 million of them, all with stolen or forged Social Security cards? What percentage of the illegals are employed by the above cited companies? 1%? Shemp wrote: It's far, far less than 1%. I know. I'm relying on the same source as Judy is (the Akasha). So, Judy was attempting to decieve. jstein wrote: No, that would be you and Shemp, of course. So, what percentage of illegal aliens work for the cited companies? More than 1%? It seemed like you were trying to say that most of the estimated 12 million illegals worked for them Nowhere in my post does it say or suggest or hint at anything of the kind. You made that up, attributed it to me, then called me a liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
Nowhere in my post does it say or suggest or hint at anything of the kind. You made that up, attributed it to me, then called me a liar. What you wrote was very decieving - you attempted to decieve. In context, almost every single American company hires illegals through sub-contractors, since we all eat food harvested by illegal aliens. But a very small percentage of illegals are hired directly by the companies you cited. Shemp seems to be correct. You got caught decieving and posting a non sequitur in an attempt mislead due to the fact that you are an inveterate argumentative time-waster. Shemp wrote: The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
In a message dated 5/29/2007 12:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why doesn't America invest in Mexico's economy? That would take away the need for them to leave a country that is starving to death. Give it five years of investment and the problem will go away all by itself. After all, we built China's economy and now its India. Why not Mexico? Lsoma. Nowhere in my post does it say or suggest or hint at anything of the kind. You made that up, attributed it to me, then called me a liar. What you wrote was very deceiving - you attempted to decieve. In context, almost every single American company hires illegals through sub-contractors, since we all eat food harvested by illegal aliens. But a very small percentage of illegals are hired directly by the companies you cited. Shemp seems to be correct. You got caught deceiving and posting a non sequitur in an attempt mislead due to the fact that you are an inveterate argumentative time-waster. Shemp wrote: The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegal's is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nowhere in my post does it say or suggest or hint at anything of the kind. You made that up, attributed it to me, then called me a liar. What you wrote was very decieving - you attempted to decieve. No, again, that would be you.
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Jesus Christ! Here we go again. What the hell is wrong with you people? Like a couple of 8 year olds on the play ground. Grow up! At least take your inane argument private so others don't have to read this asinine drivel. And don't bother telling me/us about how you are right because if you look at post #3645475 made in 1874 it proves how youblah, blah, blah... What a waste of a couple of good intellects. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nowhere in my post does it say or suggest or hint at anything of the kind. You made that up, attributed it to me, then called me a liar. What you wrote was very decieving - you attempted to decieve. No, again, that would be you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. What the hell is wrong with you people? Like a couple of 8 year olds on the play ground. Grow up! At least take your inane argument private so others don't have to read this asinine drivel. And don't bother telling me/us about how you are right because if you look at post #3645475 made in 1874 it proves how youblah, blah, blah... What a waste of a couple of good intellects. F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. Further, your tendency to portray moral equivalence when one party is trying to pursue an argument and the other (me) is trying to end it doesn't speak so well for your own ethical compass. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Nowhere in my post does it say or suggest or hint at anything of the kind. You made that up, attributed it to me, then called me a liar. What you wrote was very decieving - you attempted to decieve. No, again, that would be you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
Peter wrote: Grow up! Peter wrote: Lurk, what the f**k is your problem, you a**hole! ;-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139281
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. So, they are illegals, but are you suggesting that the above companies employ 12 million of them, all with stolen or forged Social Security cards? What percentage of the illegals are employed by the above cited companies? 1%? Shemp wrote: It's far, far less than 1%. I know. I'm relying on the same source as Judy is (the Akasha). So, Judy was attempting to decieve. No, that would be you and Shemp, of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. So, they are illegals, but are you suggesting that the above companies employ 12 million of them, all with stolen or forged Social Security cards? What percentage of the illegals are employed by the above cited companies? 1%? Shemp wrote: It's far, far less than 1%. I know. I'm relying on the same source as Judy is (the Akasha). So, Judy was attempting to decieve.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
shempmcgurk wrote: We fought a Civil War to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery. This post should probably read illegal aliens since the term immigrants should be reserved for those who apply for a visa BEFORE they sneak in illegally.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
Jim wrote: It is the money hogs that foster this anger towards the illegals, so that no one looks at the money hogs instead. Its a shell game which most of the country falls for, again and again. So, Jim, you're paying a shell game with your money. You do buy food right? And you don't want to pay higher prices for your produce, right? So, you're playing a shell game and supporting the illegal aliens by purchasing cheap food harvested by illegal aliens. If the unemployment rate is over 4% now, and the minimum wage is being raised, why don't the unemployed Americans get a job harvesting and managing food sources and displace the illegal aliens? That way, there would be zero unemployed, zero illegal aliens, and everyone could afford their own health insurance. Or, you could grow your own food instead of supporting the multinational grocery chains. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote: It is the money hogs that foster this anger towards the illegals, so that no one looks at the money hogs instead. Its a shell game which most of the country falls for, again and again. So, Jim, you're paying a shell game with your money. You do buy food right? And you don't want to pay higher prices for your produce, right? So, you're playing a shell game and supporting the illegal aliens by purchasing cheap food harvested by illegal aliens. If the unemployment rate is over 4% now, and the minimum wage is being raised, why don't the unemployed Americans get a job harvesting and managing food sources and displace the illegal aliens? That way, there would be zero unemployed, zero illegal aliens, and everyone could afford their own health insurance. Or, you could grow your own food instead of supporting the multinational grocery chains. What do you think? I was making the point above that if you watch the media closely, in general it protects large corporations and government programs from dedicated and focused scrutiny. The focus with the illegal immigration issue is always on the illegal immigrants and it focuses a lot of anger on them. If on the other hand, we put as little enforcement on the businesses that hire them as we do catching illegal immigrants at the border, and backed it up with stiff fines and/or jail terms, the illegal immigration problem would go away overnight; no demand, no supply. It is not a mistake that I said as little enforcement above, because although we spend more resources to catch and deport illegal immigrants at the Mexican border, it is still and always will be a pathetically impotent effort, designed more for show than effect. It is the shadow policy of every administration to continue illiegal immigration because of the profits raked in by those who exploit the situation. It is a shadow policy of every administration to create a permanent underclass to keep profits high. The official perspective is different, though, and pretty much just empty words. As the expression goes, bad policy starts at the top. Begin to look at those behind the curtain. Whole lotta maya goin' on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. So, they are illegals, but are you suggesting that the above companies employ 12 million of them, all with stolen or forged Social Security cards? What percentage of the illegals are employed by the above cited companies? 1%?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. jstein wrote: Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. So, they are illegals, but are you suggesting that the above companies employ 12 million of them, all with stolen or forged Social Security cards? What percentage of the illegals are employed by the above cited companies? 1%? It's far, far less than 1%. I know. I'm relying on the same source as Judy is (the Akasha).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
Now that's one fine piece of rationalization. Hats off to Coulter! To in one breath call immigants what they actually are -- slaves -- and then use that fact as a reason to hate Democrats of 150 years ago instead of, you know, hating the very elitist Kennedy and his merry band of gladhanding pork barrelers is a feat of cosmic legerdemain. Not to trivialize Nazis, but geeze Ann comes off like she's saying hate the Jews cuz they insist on hanging around tourist towns like Auschwitz. Okay, I take it back. The Purusha Guy is safe. Ann gets the custard pie in the puss instead. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We fought a Civil War to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We fought a Civil War to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery. --Ann Coulter This paragraph by itself should resolve the doubts of anyone who has ever entertained the possibility that Ann Coulter is not one of the most viciously intellectually dishonest individuals on the planet.
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In a message dated 5/24/2007 2:14:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We fought a Civil War to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery. --Ann Coulter This paragraph by itself should resolve the doubts of anyone who has ever entertained the possibility that Ann Coulter is not one of the most viciously intellectually dishonest individuals on the planet. She is a player in the game of capatalism and will do anything to sell a book. If the Repulicans or the Democrats had any wisdom they would invest in Mexico's economy and within five years it would solve the immigration problem. Pretty simple. Instead we have been investing in China. Does this make any sense? Lsoma. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: We fought a Civil War to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery. The left? I believe it is big business that is hiring illegals and they generally vote Republican. Coulter is a real nutcase. Where do you get your silly notions, Bhairitu? The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Illegals, in almost all circumstances, work for small businesses, small contractors, and individuals...in other words, wherever they can get cash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: We fought a Civil War to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery. The left? I believe it is big business that is hiring illegals and they generally vote Republican. Coulter is a real nutcase. Where do you get your silly notions, Bhairitu? The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Illegals, in almost all circumstances, work for small businesses, small contractors, and individuals...in other words, wherever they can get cash. lol, get real Shemp, there are tens of thousands of them working for the US military machine. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. When you write all hire illegals, do they do it through sub- contractors (or contractors) or directly themselves? If through contractors or sub-contractors, then it is not them that is hiring them but the contractors or sub-contractors. If it is through themselves, it may happen only because all of the above companies each have 1,000s of employees and it can happen that a few fall through the cracks (particularly if the illegals have false documentation). What is your source?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. When you write all hire illegals, do they do it through sub- contractors (or contractors) or directly themselves? If through contractors or sub-contractors, then it is not them that is hiring them but the contractors or sub-contractors. If it is through themselves, it may happen only because all of the above companies each have 1,000s of employees and it can happen that a few fall through the cracks (particularly if the illegals have false documentation). What is your source? Right-wing sites that object to the hiring of illegals, just as Coulter does. Tyson Foods and Swift and Co., however, have been in the news recently as targets of massive government raids at their meat-packing plants, where hundreds of purported illegals were arrested. These were people doing the actual packing. I understand that Wal-Mart stores were also raided. Apparently their cleaning and maintenance contractors were hiring illegals with Wal-Mart's full knowledge and approval. The government sued, and Wal-Mart settled. When the company knows its contractors are hiring illegals, it erases any ethical distinction between the contractor and the company. It is the money hogs that foster this anger towards the illegals, so that no one looks at the money hogs instead. Its a shell game which most of the country falls for, again and again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. When you write all hire illegals, do they do it through sub- contractors (or contractors) or directly themselves? If through contractors or sub-contractors, then it is not them that is hiring them but the contractors or sub-contractors. If it is through themselves, it may happen only because all of the above companies each have 1,000s of employees and it can happen that a few fall through the cracks (particularly if the illegals have false documentation). What is your source? Right-wing sites that object to the hiring of illegals, just as Coulter does. Tyson Foods and Swift and Co., however, have been in the news recently as targets of massive government raids at their meat-packing plants, where hundreds of purported illegals were arrested. These were people doing the actual packing. I understand that Wal-Mart stores were also raided. Apparently their cleaning and maintenance contractors were hiring illegals with Wal-Mart's full knowledge and approval. The government sued, and Wal-Mart settled. When the company knows its contractors are hiring illegals, it erases any ethical distinction between the contractor and the company.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. Has to be- that is the unethical corporate lovin' agenda of Bush. That is his culture and his peer group. His heart is not big enough to embrace all the people of the USA. Few Presidents have had that capability, and he has realized that to coddle his peer group brings him power. That is why he pushes an agenda that brings the corporations money, like war, and amnesty. The Congress is now sold out as well. There are no longer democratic values and republican values- only favor the money hogs vs. favor all of the people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. When you write all hire illegals, do they do it through sub- contractors (or contractors) or directly themselves? If through contractors or sub-contractors, then it is not them that is hiring them but the contractors or sub-contractors. If it is through themselves, it may happen only because all of the above companies each have 1,000s of employees and it can happen that a few fall through the cracks (particularly if the illegals have false documentation). What is your source? Right-wing sites that object to the hiring of illegals, just as Coulter does. Tyson Foods and Swift and Co., however, have been in the news recently as targets of massive government raids at their meat-packing plants, where hundreds of purported illegals were arrested. These were people doing the actual packing. I understand that Wal-Mart stores were also raided. Apparently their cleaning and maintenance contractors were hiring illegals with Wal-Mart's full knowledge and approval. The government sued, and Wal-Mart settled. When the company knows its contractors are hiring illegals, it erases any ethical distinction between the contractor and the company. Just as I thought. Not much of anything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. Has to be- that is the unethical corporate lovin' agenda of Bush. That is his culture and his peer group. His heart is not big enough to embrace all the people of the USA. Few Presidents have had that capability, and he has realized that to coddle his peer group brings him power. That is why he pushes an agenda that brings the corporations money, like war, and amnesty. The Congress is now sold out as well. There are no longer democratic values and republican values- only favor the money hogs vs. favor all of the people. Cute little commentary...but it wasn't true in the first place. Hey you're pretty cute too! lol! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. Has to be- that is the unethical corporate lovin' agenda of Bush. That is his culture and his peer group. His heart is not big enough to embrace all the people of the USA. Few Presidents have had that capability, and he has realized that to coddle his peer group brings him power. That is why he pushes an agenda that brings the corporations money, like war, and amnesty. The Congress is now sold out as well. There are no longer democratic values and republican values- only favor the money hogs vs. favor all of the people. Cute little commentary...but it wasn't true in the first place.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. Has to be- that is the unethical corporate lovin' agenda of Bush. That is his culture and his peer group. His heart is not big enough to embrace all the people of the USA. Few Presidents have had that capability, and he has realized that to coddle his peer group brings him power. That is why he pushes an agenda that brings the corporations money, like war, and amnesty. The Congress is now sold out as well. There are no longer democratic values and republican values- only favor the money hogs vs. favor all of the people. Yes, he wants to run the country like a big corporation. I don't know about you but I don't like working in big corporations so I guess I'll get fired a lot for insubordination. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip The only time so-called big business has ever been caught hiring illegals is through sub-contractors, who do the direct hiring of illegals. Tyson Foods Miller Brewing Honeywell Home Depot Ford Wells Fargo Bank Hormel IHOP Swift and Co. All hire illegals. When you write all hire illegals, do they do it through sub- contractors (or contractors) or directly themselves? If through contractors or sub-contractors, then it is not them that is hiring them but the contractors or sub-contractors. If it is through themselves, it may happen only because all of the above companies each have 1,000s of employees and it can happen that a few fall through the cracks (particularly if the illegals have false documentation). What is your source? Right-wing sites that object to the hiring of illegals, just as Coulter does. Tyson Foods and Swift and Co., however, have been in the news recently as targets of massive government raids at their meat-packing plants, where hundreds of purported illegals were arrested. These were people doing the actual packing. I understand that Wal-Mart stores were also raided. Apparently their cleaning and maintenance contractors were hiring illegals with Wal-Mart's full knowledge and approval. The government sued, and Wal-Mart settled. When the company knows its contractors are hiring illegals, it erases any ethical distinction between the contractor and the company. Just as I thought. Not much of anything. Nono, Shemp, these are people who are on your side, just like Ann Coulter and the other folks you quote here. *They're* saying these companies are guilty of hiring illegals. They wouldn't lie to you, now, would they?
