[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-18 Thread sparaig
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve 
of 
   spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
  focused, 
   watch out!

   Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
  not 'using' 
   it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious 
 about 
  your 
   thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
   oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
   
   Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
  Though 
   I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self 
 is 
  a 
   monumental task, tenacious little bastard...
  
  
  The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, 
 but 
  capitalized...
 
 Resurrected, *after* death.


capitalized you assumed the wrong definition of capital.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread Peter



Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  focused, watch out!Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:  Rick Archer wrote:I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was   about  opening  the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think themeditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', I   believe,  only pours God Energy into the
 already opened  crown.   That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly former   meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I am speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what the group   in question does.- BhairituThis is the second time I have read about energy being poured *in* to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy is pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation.   Yes, but we're talking about someone who
 hasn't been sitting on their butt meditating for years like you. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM~- To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
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 Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  focused, 
watch out!
 
Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore not 'using' 
it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about your 
thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.

Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. Though 
I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self is a 
monumental task, tenacious little bastard...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread Peter



I think this building up of "spiritual" capital  has to do with the nature of the TM technique. It's working at such a  foundational level of being that the mind/personality can not see or  understand what is happening for the most part. Then TM'ers get  involved with practices that focus this spiritual reserve and they have  amazing results. Like Amber Terrel (aka Karen) who was a super  on-the-program Gov for 25 years with modest experiences getting  involved with Gangaji and after the first meeting with her..POW!...into  Self Realization. I noticed this effect some time ago in Fairfield when  I joinned the Liberal Catholic Church rum by all Govs and Siddhas. The  church services were incredibly powerful as all this abstract pure  consciousness was intentionally focused in devotion to God. The room  would just glow in golden light and such pure love. Incredible.jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote: Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  focused, watch out! Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore not 'using' it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about your thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. Though I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self is a monumental task, tenacious little bastard... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
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 I think this building up of spiritual capital  has to do with 
the nature of the TM technique. It's working at such a  foundational 
level of being that the mind/personality can not see or  understand 
what is happening for the most part. Then TM'ers get  involved with 
practices that focus this spiritual reserve and they have  amazing 
results. Like Amber Terrel (aka Karen) who was a super  on-the-
program Gov for 25 years with modest experiences getting  involved 
with Gangaji and after the first meeting with her..POW!...into  Self 
Realization. I noticed this effect some time ago in Fairfield when  
I joinned the Liberal Catholic Church rum by all Govs and Siddhas. 
The  church services were incredibly powerful as all this abstract 
pure  consciousness was intentionally focused in devotion to God. 
The room  would just glow in golden light and such pure love. 
Incredible.

Well put. Thanks!
 
 jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
 wrote:
 
  Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
 spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
focused, 
 watch out!
  
 Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
not 'using' 
 it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about 
your 
 thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
 oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
 
 Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
Though 
 I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self is 
a 
 monumental task, tenacious little bastard...
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
 spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
focused, 
 watch out!
  
 Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
not 'using' 
 it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about 
your 
 thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
 oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
 
 Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
Though 
 I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self is 
a 
 monumental task, tenacious little bastard...


The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, but 
capitalized...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
 spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
focused, 
 watch out!
  
 Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
not 'using' 
 it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about 
your 
 thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
 oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
 
 Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
Though 
 I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self is 
a 
 monumental task, tenacious little bastard...


The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, but 
capitalized...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread Peter



You find the self that gets capitalized and I'll spank the monkey.sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter   wrote:   Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of  spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  focused,  watch out!   Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore not 'using'  it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about your  thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being  oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.  Possibly they hold on
 to the stories of enlightenment too much. Though  I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self is a  monumental task, tenacious little bastard...The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, but capitalized... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM~- To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 You find the self that gets capitalized and I'll spank the monkey.

Your fantasy, not mine...


 
 sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin  
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
  wrote:
  
   Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
  spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
 focused, 
  watch out!
   
  Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
 not 'using' 
  it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious about 
 your 
  thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
  oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
  
  Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
 Though 
  I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self 
is 
 a 
  monumental task, tenacious little bastard...
 
 
 The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, but 
 capitalized...
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
  spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
 focused, 
  watch out!
   
  Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
 not 'using' 
  it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious 
about 
 your 
  thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
  oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
  
  Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
 Though 
  I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self 
is 
 a 
  monumental task, tenacious little bastard...
 
 
 The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, 
but 
 capitalized...

Resurrected, *after* death.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 You find the self that gets capitalized and I'll spank the monkey.

I thought you were against capital punishment? ;)
 
 sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin  
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
  wrote:
  
   Good observation. TMer's have built-up such a huge  reserve of 
  spiritual capital that they are oblivious too. When it gets  
 focused, 
  watch out!
   
  Why do you think they are oblivious to it, and therefore 
 not 'using' 
  it? Possibly because it accumulates so gently? Just curious 
about 
 your 
  thoughts on this. I tend to agree- for many, it is like being 
  oblivious of the volcanic pressure building beneath the surface.
  
  Possibly they hold on to the stories of enlightenment too much. 
 Though 
  I will be the first in line to admit that slaughtering the self 
is 
 a 
  monumental task, tenacious little bastard...
 
 
 The monkey isn't drunk, but hungry; the self isn't slaughtered, 
but 
 capitalized...
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
 That night I woke up with my heart chakra
 feeling like it was in a stainless steel vice.  Did some
  sedona and other work around it and it released. 

One can also find relief by reading the taos.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Peter



Or by being utterly present with it with no avoidance of the experience in the slightest.Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   That night I woke up with my heart chakra feeling like it was in a stainless steel vice.  Did some  sedona and other work around it and it released. One can also find relief by reading the taos. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM~- To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 11/16/05 11:47:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Or by 
  being utterly present with it with no avoidance of the experience in the 
  slightest.Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
   
That night I woke up with my heart chakra feeling like it was in a 
stainless steel vice. Did some sedona and other work around it and 
it released. 

Might check with a cardiologist on that vice like 
pressure.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick Archer wrote:
 
 snip
 I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was 
about  opening
 the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think the
 meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', I 
believe,
 only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.
 
   
 
 That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly 
former 
 meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I am 
 speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what the 
group 
 in question does.
 
 - Bhairitu


This is the second time I have read about energy being poured *in* 
to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the 
opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy is 
pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. 
Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Bhairitu
jim_flanegin wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Rick Archer wrote:



snip
I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was 
  

about  opening
  

the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think the
meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', I 
  

believe,
  

only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.

 

  

That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly 


former 
  

meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I am 
speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what the 


group 
  

in question does.

- Bhairitu




This is the second time I have read about energy being poured *in* 
to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the 
opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy is 
pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. 
Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation. 

  

Yes, but we're talking about someone who hasn't been sitting on their 
butt meditating for years like you. :)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 jim_flanegin wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
 
 Rick Archer wrote:
 
 
 
 snip
 I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was 
   
 
 about  opening
   
 
 the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think 
the
 meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', 
I 
   
 
 believe,
   
 
 only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.
 
  
 
   
 
 That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly 
 
 
 former 
   
 
 meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I 
am 
 speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what 
the 
 
 
 group 
   
 
 in question does.
 
 - Bhairitu
 
 
 
 
 This is the second time I have read about energy being poured 
*in* 
 to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the 
 opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy 
is 
 pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. 
 Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation. 
 
   
 
 Yes, but we're talking about someone who hasn't been sitting on 
their 
 butt meditating for years like you. :)


Really? OK. Is that what accounts for the difference in how the 
experience is perceived? I honestly don't know. Can anyone here 
comment on the two experiences, 'innie' vs 'outie'?





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