[FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
Where do they get this stuff indeed. My favorite is when the Righties and Fundies use Jefferson's famous quote on the Jefferson Memorial to justify their latest bigotry: I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. What they don't seem to realize that this quote was from a letter to a friend, Dr. Benjamin Rush, and that the people he was ranting against were a group of Christians who were trying to take over a school system. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet another new book on the religious right is available: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism. written by Mchelle Goldberg This probably touches on subjects that we have broached before. However, I came across an interview with the author linked from the Working for Change website that gave me pause... You can read the entire thing at: http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=20902 Congress was going to have the first-ever Hindu priest give an invocation. The Family Research Council issued a really angry statement, which says: While it is true that the United States of America was founded on the sacred principle of religious freedom for all, that liberty was never intended to exalt other religions to the level that Christianity holds in our nation's heritage. Our founders expected that Christianity and no other religion would receive support from the government, as long as that support did not violate people's consciences and their right to worship. They would have found utterly incredible the idea that all religions, including paganism, be treated with equal deference. That's from the Family Research Council, which is a spin-off of Focus on the Family. The Virginia religious liberty statute was written by Jefferson and is widely seen as the basis for the First Amendment. As Jefferson wrote in his autobiography, some had wanted to put an amendment into that statute saying that Jesus Christ was a source of religious liberty. Jefferson said, It was rejected by the great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindu and infidel of every denomination. So where do they get this from? Part of what I seek to do in my book is show that this is not just a political movement, but an entire parallel reality. It has its own revisionist history, including its own revisionist American history. There are volumes upon volumes that essentially rewrite the history of America, cherry picking various quotes and taking things out of context to try to show that the founders intended to create an Evangelical Christian America, and that separation of church and state is something that they never intended, and indeed would have been appalled by. It's an interesting, but scary, interview. -- Though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. --Stephen Colbert, from remarks at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
In a message dated 6/8/06 7:48:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What they don't seem to realize that this quote wasfrom a letter to a friend, Dr. Benjamin Rush, and thatthe people he was ranting against were a group of Christians who were trying to take over a school system. Were there school systems established in America at the time of Jefferson or was he complaining about a "sect" taking over or buying out a school or group of schools in a particular location? I think free public education was very scarce if it existed at all during Jefferson's time, but I'm not sure. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/8/06 7:48:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What they don't seem to realize that this quote was from a letter to a friend, Dr. Benjamin Rush, and that the people he was ranting against were a group of Christians who were trying to take over a school system. Were there school systems established in America at the time of Jefferson or was he complaining about a sect taking over or buying out a school or group of schools in a particular location? I think free public education was very scarce if it existed at all during Jefferson's time, but I'm not sure. I don't remember the details and don't have time to look it up right now, but as I remember it was in fact a school system in some county that was in danger of having its curriculum taken over and run by a Christian group, changing everything to a proper Christian education. Sorry I don't have the time to research further, but here's the full letter. Jefferson was not a man to pull his punches... http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/lit/jeff04.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/8/06 7:38:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindu and infidel of every denomination. Did Jefferson say this part, or did Goldberg assume this? It's a direct quote from Jefferson, except that he spelled it 'Hindoo.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
In a message dated 6/8/06 8:33:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Were there school systems established in America at the time of Jefferson or was he complaining about a "sect" taking over or buying out a school or group of schools in a particular location? I think free public education was very scarce if it existed at all during Jefferson's time, but I'm not sure.I don't remember the details and don't have time tolook it up right now, but as I remember it was in fact a school system in some county that was in dangerof having its curriculum taken over and run by a Christian group, changing everything to a "properChristian education." Sorry I don't have the timeto research further, but here's the full letter.Jefferson was not a man to pull his punches... This would be in perfect keeping with what Jefferson said in regards to separation of church and state.The federal government would not adopt a specific denomination to impose over the other denominations.Baptists would fear Jesuits educating their children, many denominations would be upset with Quakers educating their children and the list would go on. Each region of the countryhad majorities that adhered to specific denominations and nobody wanted to have the federal government take sides with one or have their children educated with a "proper Christian education" as defined by a specific denomination that the people in that region didn't agree with. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/8/06 10:58:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My tenth Great Grandfather, Ambrose Dixon, arrived in the colony of Virginia in 1640 from London and eventually felt compelled to leave because he was a Quaker and he felt he was being discriminated against for holding Quaker meetings in his home. Lord Baltimore offered him free land in Maryland and a guarantee not to be hassled over his beliefs. I think the predominating denomination in Virginia at the time was Episcopalian. A couple of my ancestors got into some kind of denominational religious difficulties here around that time and were imprisoned for a while. Don't know any of the details except that they wouldn't have been Quakers, and I believe they were in the New England area. I'm quite sure no British aristocrat offered them land if they'd just go away from where they were causing trouble, though. ;-) Baltimore was a Roman Catholic, was he not? Interesting that he'd have been more tolerant than the Episcopalians. Yes Lord Baltimore was a Catholic. He probably just wanted to increase his tax base because several Quakers went with Ambrose on the same deal. I think there might have been a little more to his leaving than just religious discrimination. Ambrose seemed to be a character. He first showed up in James City in 1640 in a court case. He was suing his employer for back wages owed him and won his case. In fact the judge ordered all of the other employees be paid like wise. He and some other settlers also started a war with the pohitan Indians causing trouble not only with the Indians but upsetting the other settlers as well. Some Quaker, LOL! He and the others were thrown in jail while things were settled with the Indians. On his release he had to sign allegiance to Cromwell. He also resisted paying taxes which he believed were supporting the Episcopalian church and subsequently his house was marked with a big red slash painted across his front door. This was the straw that broke the camel's back. At this point I think he and other Quakers must have petitioned Lord Baltimore to be able to move to Maryland for more religious freedom. Lord Baltimore was very accommodating to them. Ambrose was given 3 to 4 hundred acres referred to in tax records as Dixon's Choice. Neat! Did the land stay in your family? Where did you find all this out? Most people in the U.S. know bupkes about their ancestors. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
In a message dated 6/8/06 12:45:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Neat! Did the land stay in your family?Where did you find all this out? Most people in the U.S.know bupkes about their ancestors. I don't really know if family still owns it or not. He had six sons and the one I'm related to eventually moved to Snowhill Maryland and some generations later migrated to Kentucky. A cousin of mine in Kentucky who is a retired judge had done some research and put me on the right trail.I started looking up censes in Snowhill Maryland and eventually traced the family generation by generation back to Ambrose. I actually found a lot of information on him and his family. Some genealogist had written upa report about himmuch of which I just passed on. I also went back another generation and found his father, William Dixon who was born in 1599 in London and hismother Katherine Barkley. Ambrose had three other brothers and asister, Elizabeth, who also came to the new world.Eventually I would love to go check out Snowhill Maryland and the place where Ambrose settled, the name of the County escapes me now. A lot of this stuff can be found on Ancestory.com and some other genealogical sites. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/8/06 12:45:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Neat! Did the land stay in your family? Where did you find all this out? Most people in the U.S. know bupkes about their ancestors. I don't really know if family still owns it or not. He had six sons and the one I'm related to eventually moved to Snowhill Maryland and some generations later migrated to Kentucky. A cousin of mine in Kentucky who is a retired judge had done some research and put me on the right trail. I started looking up censes in Snowhill Maryland and eventually traced the family generation by generation back to Ambrose. I actually found a lot of information on him and his family. Some genealogist had written up a report about him much of which I just passed on. I also went back another generation and found his father, William Dixon who was born in 1599 in London and his mother Katherine Barkley. Ambrose had three other brothers and a sister, Elizabeth, who also came to the new world. Eventually I would love to go check out Snowhill Maryland and the place where Ambrose settled, the name of the County escapes me now. A lot of this stuff can be found on Ancestory.com and some other genealogical sites. Well, it's nifty to be able to find that much out. My late mother was heavily into our family's genealogy and did all kinds of research, intending to write it all up one day, but she never got around to it, and her results exist only in reams and reams of scribbled notes, clippings, old letters, photocopies of stuff from libraries, in near-total chaos. Shame to have it all go to waste, but my sister and I simply don't have enough interest to try to sort it all out. So we just remember little bits and pieces of the stories she'd tell us from time to time about her latest discoveries. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
In a message dated 6/8/06 2:58:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/8/06 12:45:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Neat! Did the land stay in your family? Where did you find all this out? Most people in the U.S. know bupkes about their ancestors. I don't really know if family still owns it or not. He had six sons and the one I'm related to eventually moved to Snowhill Maryland and some generations later migrated to Kentucky. A cousin of mine in Kentucky who is a retired judge had done some research and put me on the right trail. I started looking up censes in Snowhill Maryland and eventually traced the family generation by generation back to Ambrose. I actually found a lot of information on him and his family. Some genealogist had written up a report about him much of which I just passed on. I also went back another generation and found his father, William Dixon who was born in 1599 in London and his mother Katherine Barkley. Ambrose had three other brothers and a sister, Elizabeth, who also came to the new world. Eventually I would love to go check out Snowhill Maryland and the place where Ambrose settled, the name of the County escapes me now. A lot of this stuff can be found on Ancestory.com and some other genealogical sites.Well, it's nifty to be able to find that much out.My late mother was heavily into our family's genealogyand did all kinds of research, intending to write itall up one day, but she never got around to it, and herresults exist only in reams and reams of scribblednotes, clippings, old letters, photocopies of stufffrom libraries, in near-total chaos. Shame to have itall go to waste, but my sister and I simply don't haveenough interest to try to sort it all out. So we justremember little bits and pieces of the stories she'dtell us from time to time about her latest discoveri Don't ever lose your mothers notes. You might get the desire some day to finish her work.I have lots of little notes and scraps I have found on other lines in my family that I keep. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
