[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-24 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
E-mail from the FF Satsanga,
 ..
 This research evidently is based on aversion to suffering and confronting the 
content of the mind. That as there is something uncomfortable, that as we are 
confronted with pain or sorrow then somehow that is inherently evil, that there 
is something problematic about that. That if there is something in-equanimous 
in the emotions then that is somehow ‘dissociated’ in life.  

 Outright mental illness aside, the article also speaks to the problem of the 
mind ( the researcher’s too?). It actually speaks the case of why we do need to 
meditate, the problem of the active mind and over-mentalized understanding. 
People certainly are sold on meditation now in the modern era as a curative for 
mental health and some people come to it hoping to be healed of things in their 
life.  

 When you start this process you are going to confront the very nature of the 
mind which is erratic and routy and its contents which as Rohr in his linked 
talk points out are humiliating with compulsive thoughts, anger, paranoias. 
Just because it is in the mind does not make it real or true. It can also just 
in the mind, something the mind is experiencing, conjured up.  

 We are so mind identified, and body identified, we all think way too much.  
This researcher is expressing this thing of ‘over-thinking’ of why would 
something (meditation as something) be of value. 

 They talk and categorize about meditation in terms of experiences, somatics 
and things, and it can also just be in the moment. It is like, “I feel unhappy 
now, meditation is no good.”   Where do you look for its cumulative effects in 
research like this?  Where do you see strength, resilience, courage, 
equanimity, simplicity in clarity of thinking, creative thinking?  How much of 
that is in the result and not the moment?  Do you, “..do a vacuum cleaning and 
do you open up the bag, or just clean? To what end? The idea in meditation is 
that consciousness is the enduring experience, not content.  

https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 

 ..
 

 This researcher is clearly very smart but this paper is all mentalization of 
the mind, the mind’s content and aversions and straight to allopathy.  More 
study needed.   
 FFL
 435257Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study 
reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of grounding, 

 A fair quote from Zen Calendar today,

 ..Earth’s crammed with heaven,
 And every common bush afire with the Unified Field:
 But only he who sees takes off his shoes.

 

 Bhairitu offers:

 

The problem is that meditation is often taught wrong.  Other paths often just 
use meditation as a utility, you meditate when you fee like or need.  Advice 
from my tantra guru was, "if you don't feel like meditating then don't as 
nothing will be gained."  Meditation in general is used as a tool to calm the 
sympathetic nervous system, the part of the autonomic nervous system we use for 
activity.  Once calmed the thoughts which the sympathetic system triggers slow 
or stop just leaving an experience of pure consciousness.

But also keep in mind that one person's meditation technique may not work for 
another person.  Though many may need calming other may need stimulation.  
Ayurveda recognizes this and that's why there are different mantras for each 
dosha.  Gurus would often observe a student and give them an appropriate mantra 
for their constitution.  And some paths give a student a mantra for calming and 
one for stimulation, use as needed.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This researcher is clearly very smart but this paper is all mentalization of 
the mind, the mind’s content and aversions and straight to allopathy.  More 
study needed.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 So claims the DSM..
 Treatment of depersonalization disorder
 There is no single cure for depersonalization disorder; rather, there are 
various approaches to treating the disorder and managing symptoms. 
Psychotherapy and medication are the most common treatment options for 
depersonalization disorder, either in isolation or combined.

 

 ..prognosis for many sufferers is positive. With the correct diagnosis and 
effective treatment, many patients can expect to regain control and 
re-establish a sense of self and connection to their surroundings.
 The treatment suggested will depend on various factors
 

 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)
 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)

 


 

 cardemaister writes:

 

 ..mentioning years ago that sometimes her  ..feelings
 are quite flat (or something to that effect) after doing YF. 
 

 I tend to

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-17 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Of grounding, 

 A fair quote from Zen Calendar today,

 ..Earth’s crammed with heaven,
 And every common bush afire with the Unified Field:
 But only he who sees takes off his shoes.

 

 Bhairitu offers:

 

The problem is that meditation is often taught wrong.  Other paths often just 
use meditation as a utility, you meditate when you fee like or need.  Advice 
from my tantra guru was, "if you don't feel like meditating then don't as 
nothing will be gained."  Meditation in general is used as a tool to calm the 
sympathetic nervous system, the part of the autonomic nervous system we use for 
activity.  Once calmed the thoughts which the sympathetic system triggers slow 
or stop just leaving an experience of pure consciousness.

But also keep in mind that one person's meditation technique may not work for 
another person.  Though many may need calming other may need stimulation.  
Ayurveda recognizes this and that's why there are different mantras for each 
dosha.  Gurus would often observe a student and give them an appropriate mantra 
for their constitution.  And some paths give a student a mantra for calming and 
one for stimulation, use as needed.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This researcher is clearly very smart but this paper is all mentalization of 
the mind, the mind’s content and aversions and straight to allopathy.  More 
study needed.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 So claims the DSM..
 Treatment of depersonalization disorder
 There is no single cure for depersonalization disorder; rather, there are 
various approaches to treating the disorder and managing symptoms. 
Psychotherapy and medication are the most common treatment options for 
depersonalization disorder, either in isolation or combined.

 

 ..prognosis for many sufferers is positive. With the correct diagnosis and 
effective treatment, many patients can expect to regain control and 
re-establish a sense of self and connection to their surroundings.
 The treatment suggested will depend on various factors
 

 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)
 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)

 


 

 cardemaister writes:

 

 ..mentioning years ago that sometimes her  ..feelings
 are quite flat (or something to that effect) after doing YF. 
 

 I tend to agree. In my case it might primarily be the contrast between
 the mahaa-videhaa (great bodylesness; YS III ~ 44) experienced during YF as 
opposed to the feeling of being imprisoned in this mortal coil "outside" YF.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As a pilot study.., Good problem definitions.  This person has thought long 
and hard about this.
 Now needs more than a surveying of 60 persons to be able to say much about it. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
The problem is that meditation is often taught wrong.  Other paths often 
just use meditation as a utility, you meditate when you fee like or 
need.  Advice from my tantra guru was, "if you don't feel like 
meditating then don't as nothing will be gained."  Meditation in general 
is used as a tool to calm the sympathetic nervous system, the part of 
the autonomic nervous system we use for activity.  Once calmed the 
thoughts which the sympathetic system triggers slow or stop just leaving 
an experience of pure consciousness.


But also keep in mind that one person's meditation technique may not 
work for another person.  Though many may need calming other may need 
stimulation.  Ayurveda recognizes this and that's why there are 
different mantras for each dosha.  Gurus would often observe a student 
and give them an appropriate mantra for their constitution.  And some 
paths give a student a mantra for calming and one for stimulation, use 
as needed.


On 07/16/2017 04:48 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




*So claims the DSM..*

*Treatment of depersonalization disorder*

There is no single cure for depersonalization disorder; rather, there 
are various approaches to treating the disorder and managing symptoms. 
Psychotherapy and medication are the most common treatment options for 
depersonalization disorder, either in isolation or combined.



..prognosis for many sufferers is positive. With the correct diagnosis 
and effective treatment, many patients can expect to regain control 
and re-establish a sense of self and connection to their surroundings.


The treatment suggested will depend on various factors


https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1) 





cardemaister writes:

..mentioning years ago that sometimes her ..feelings
are quite flat (or something to that effect) after doing YF.

I tend to agree. In my case it might primarily be the contrast between
the mahaa-videhaa (great bodylesness; YS III ~ 44) experienced during 
YF as opposed to the feeling of being imprisoned in this mortal coil 
"outside" YF.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As a pilot study.., Good problem definitions.  This person has thought 
long and hard about this.


Now needs more than a surveying of 60 persons to be able to say much 
about it.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-16 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
This researcher is clearly very smart but this paper is all mentalization of 
the mind, the mind’s content and aversions and straight to allopathy.  More 
study needed.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 So claims the DSM..
 Treatment of depersonalization disorder
 There is no single cure for depersonalization disorder; rather, there are 
various approaches to treating the disorder and managing symptoms. 
Psychotherapy and medication are the most common treatment options for 
depersonalization disorder, either in isolation or combined.

 

 ..prognosis for many sufferers is positive. With the correct diagnosis and 
effective treatment, many patients can expect to regain control and 
re-establish a sense of self and connection to their surroundings.
 The treatment suggested will depend on various factors
 

 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)
 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)

 


 

 cardemaister writes:

 

 ..mentioning years ago that sometimes her  ..feelings
 are quite flat (or something to that effect) after doing YF. 
 

 I tend to agree. In my case it might primarily be the contrast between
 the mahaa-videhaa (great bodylesness; YS III ~ 44) experienced during YF as 
opposed to the feeling of being imprisoned in this mortal coil "outside" YF.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As a pilot study.., Good problem definitions.  This person has thought long 
and hard about this.
 Now needs more than a surveying of 60 persons to be able to say much about it. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-16 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 

 

 So claims the DSM..
 Treatment of depersonalization disorder
 There is no single cure for depersonalization disorder; rather, there are 
various approaches to treating the disorder and managing symptoms. 
Psychotherapy and medication are the most common treatment options for 
depersonalization disorder, either in isolation or combined.

 

 ..prognosis for many sufferers is positive. With the correct diagnosis and 
effective treatment, many patients can expect to regain control and 
re-establish a sense of self and connection to their surroundings.
 The treatment suggested will depend on various factors
 

 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)
 
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/depersonalization-or-derealization-disorder-dsm--5-300.6(f48.1)

 


 

 cardemaister writes:

 

 ..mentioning years ago that sometimes her  ..feelings
 are quite flat (or something to that effect) after doing YF. 
 

 I tend to agree. In my case it might primarily be the contrast between
 the mahaa-videhaa (great bodylesness; YS III ~ 44) experienced during YF as 
opposed to the feeling of being imprisoned in this mortal coil "outside" YF.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As a pilot study.., Good problem definitions.  This person has thought long 
and hard about this.
 Now needs more than a surveying of 60 persons to be able to say much about it. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-16 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] 

 Seem to recall Judy mentioning years ago that sometimes her feelings
 are quite flat (or something to that effect) after doing YF. (Sorry Judy if
 that's not the case!)
 

 I tend to agree. In my case it might primarily be the contrast between
 the mahaa-videhaa (great bodylesness; YS III ~ 44) experienced during YF as 
opposed to the feeling of being imprisoned in this mortal coil "outside" YF.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-15 Thread srijau 
good to note that there are zero TM meditators in this study.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

2017-07-15 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Good problem definitions.  This person has thought long and hard about this.
 Now needs more than a surveying of 60 persons to be able to say much about it. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/