Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
on 5/24/06 10:38 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Thanks for taking the time to read what I wrote and for your reply. Revisiting these concepts in the light of people's experience in this group is valuable to me. I remember the TM party line about those words. Now I am interested in how people like yourself think about it with a broader perspective. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. This is what I am having trouble wrapping my mind around. Can you articulate how our awareness fluctuates? Awareness doesn't fluctuate, but for me, appreciation of it does. The predominant quality of it is silence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. The entire story, in 12 words, and handled with compassion in five more. Can't do better than that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. ...and we're off to the races. Billie throws down her gauntlet. And again, you seem to be having a little trouble discerning just who has thrown down the gauntlet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. ...and we're off to the races. Billie throws down her gauntlet. And again, you seem to be having a little trouble discerning just who has thrown down the gauntlet. Go home and get your shine box. (that's 7 words) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? Because Curtis obviously has a life and is happy, and probably spent the last ten years without ever thinking of Judy even *once*, and Judy is going insane over that. She would have preferred that he hold on to the past and to a grudge the way she does, and want to continue fighting, and thus interacting with her. It's an example of what we used to call in another spiritual trip attention vampires. They *feed* off of the attention of others. And they don't care what the nature of that attention is or how they get it. The fight, as you put it, consists of Judy waving her cape and trying to look fearsome, and Curtis laughing at her and walking off, leaving the old, toothless vampire to go home to her dank, dark coffin hungry. Good for him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? Because Curtis obviously has a life and is happy, and probably spent the last ten years without ever thinking of Judy even *once*, and Judy is going insane over that. She would have preferred that he hold on to the past and to a grudge the way she does, and want to continue fighting, and thus interacting with her. It's an example of what we used to call in another spiritual trip attention vampires. They *feed* off of the attention of others. And they don't care what the nature of that attention is or how they get it. The fight, as you put it, consists of Judy waving her cape and trying to look fearsome, and Curtis laughing at her and walking off, leaving the old, toothless vampire to go home to her dank, dark coffin hungry. Good for him. Walking off means to put her in a killfile or otherwise ignore her, NOT to continue responding to her posts (directly or indirectly). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? Because Curtis obviously has a life and is happy, and probably spent the last ten years without ever thinking of Judy even *once*, and Judy is going insane over that. False. She would have preferred that he hold on to the past and to a grudge the way she does, and want to continue fighting, and thus interacting with her. Knowingly and maliciously false. It's an example of what we used to call in another spiritual trip attention vampires. They *feed* off of the attention of others. And they don't care what the nature of that attention is or how they get it. Barry Wright, Master of Projection. The fight, as you put it, consists of Judy waving her cape and trying to look fearsome, and Curtis laughing at her and walking off, leaving the old, toothless vampire to go home to her dank, dark coffin hungry. Good for him. snicker Doesn't Barry wish. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
Rick, Thanks for taking the time to read what I wrote and for your reply. Revisiting these concepts in the light of people's experience in this group is valuable to me. I remember the TM party line about those words. Now I am interested in how people like yourself think about it with a broader perspective. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. This is what I am having trouble wrapping my mind around. Can you articulate how our awareness fluctuates? I can't locate a reference experience for myself these days. I know how I used to describe it to someone new to meditation as: sometimes you feel sleepy and your awareness is foggy and that effects your knowledge. I am looking for a more developed view of the concept of awareness enhancement. I think I understand your point about understanding as more stable than experience. I can usually remember a perspective even when I am tired. I may not be as generative of the perspective when I am tired, but I can usually access what I understood in that state when I felt more awake. But once I am rested I don't see much difference in my awareness day to day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. MMY refers to the mahasutra (?) that is required for someone to hear to actually attain Unity. Perhaps this is where advaita's you are already enlightened becomes relevant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Thanks for taking the time to read what I wrote and for your reply. Revisiting these concepts in the light of people's experience in this group is valuable to me. I remember the TM party line about those words. Now I am interested in how people like yourself think about it with a broader perspective. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. This is what I am having trouble wrapping my mind around. Can you articulate how our awareness fluctuates? I can't locate a reference experience for myself these days. I know how I used to describe it to someone new to meditation as: sometimes you feel sleepy and your awareness is foggy and that effects your knowledge. I am looking for a more developed view of the concept of awareness enhancement. I think I understand your point about understanding as more stable than experience. I can usually remember a perspective even when I am tired. I may not be as generative of the perspective when I am tired, but I can usually access what I understood in that state when I felt more awake. But once I am rested I don't see much difference in my awareness day to day. I can recall only one instance of genuine CC in my life, and that was far beyond any silent witnessing state which I often have for moments during waking, dreaming and sleeping. As near as I can recall, there was nodody home. There were thoughts, conversations, actions, etc., but no doer or watcher or anything. The transition out of this was quite sudden and I only had an instant to remark to myself how odd before the state was gone. I've had plenty of witnessing moments/periods before/since but that particular transition *out of* seems unique, even now. I can see NO way to access what I understood in that state simply because I have no real recollection of what I understood assuming there was an I or understanding in the first place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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The concept of enlightenment is way over my head. I am just focusing on what we can articulate about our awareness and it's potential to grow. My biggest change in wellbeing comes from physical exercise. I wonder if wellbeing has any place in the discussion of what our awareness is and how it can change? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. MMY refers to the mahasutra (?) that is required for someone to hear to actually attain Unity. Perhaps this is where advaita's you are already enlightened becomes relevant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Lurk, I appreciate what you said. But really I don't view it that way. My intention of posting my inner experience was for people who can relate on some level. Those are the return posts that interest me. Anyone who wants to criticize me on my inner experience or the way I express it is on a different mission. One that I can't relate to at this point in my life. Thanks Yea, I understand. It still reminds of Neo taking on Agent Smith once Neo came into his own. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com [...] Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. One wonders if there is ANY equivalence here with TM. I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com [...] Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. One wonders if there is ANY equivalence here with TM. I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. Awareness of awareness can only mean one thing, no? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com [...] Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. One wonders if there is ANY equivalence here with TM. I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. Awareness of awareness can only mean one thing, no? No. It could mean any number of things, assuming that the claim awareness of awareness has specific physiological correlates. Two different people can describe the same sunset using different words, or two entirely different (to most of us) phenomena using the same words. I saw a flying saucer might refer to a genuine porcelin saucer in Frisbee flight, or to an alien spacecraft or to some other UFO phenomenon like swamp gas. I am aware of awareness might refer to some TC/CC state, or to a derealization state brought about by child sexual abuse or ongoing extreme stress which have distinctly different EEG patterns. We don't know the physiological correlates of the Scientology state and they won't let anyone measure them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. I think you are on to something interesting here. I was starting to think about this when Bob said: ...By using the technology of TM to expand the ability to know, Vedic science is the basis of all science,... I was thinking that I really don't understand what this means in my current way of thinking about myself. I really don't understand the phrase expand the ability to know, anymore. I can remember the words that I used to use when I did think I understood the phrase. But now it is all gone. I sometimes feel tired or more rested, I can relate to that. But it is rarely so dramatic that it impairs me cognitively. I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. Now I only think of it as a steady background and a given. It is the content of what I am aware of that is the important thing for me to pay attention to. That is not to say that I am not introspective. I am. But not in this way that is implied in the phrase development of awareness. Monitoring that seems completely boring to me now. Thanks for making me think about this. More to your point, I think there is a good chance that people use these phrases in completely different ways even when they sound the same. The point of reference is too subjective to claim that we can know that people mean the same thing. My materialistic two cents! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. I think you are on to something interesting here. I was starting to think about this when Bob said: ...By using the technology of TM to expand the ability to know, Vedic science is the basis of all science,... I was thinking that I really don't understand what this means in my current way of thinking about myself. I really don't understand the phrase expand the ability to know, anymore. I can remember the words that I used to use when I did think I understood the phrase. But now it is all gone. I sometimes feel tired or more rested, I can relate to that. But it is rarely so dramatic that it impairs me cognitively. I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Does expanding the ability to know somehow involve that ability fluctuating significantly from day to day, such that at times it's so low that it impairs you cognitively? I sure can't relate any of that to what *I* understand by expand the ability to know. Now I only think of it as a steady background and a given. It is the content of what I am aware of that is the important thing for me to pay attention to. Of course. I have trouble understanding why you ever thought otherwise. That is not to say that I am not introspective. I am. But not in this way that is implied in the phrase development of awareness. Monitoring that seems completely boring to me now. Thanks for making me think about this. More to your point, I think there is a good chance that people use these phrases in completely different ways even when they sound the same. Sounds to me as though you're using the phrase expand the ability to know in a way that I can't connect with anything related to TM or MMY's teaching. Well, you did just say your earlier understanding of the phrase was all gone. I think that's probably quite accurate. The point of reference is too subjective to claim that we can know that people mean the same thing. My materialistic two cents! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. I think you are on to something interesting here. I was starting to think about this when Bob said: ...By using the technology of TM to expand the ability to know, Vedic science is the basis of all science,... I was thinking that I really don't understand what this means in my current way of thinking about myself. I really don't understand the phrase expand the ability to know, anymore. I can remember the words that I used to use when I did think I understood the phrase. But now it is all gone. I sometimes feel tired or more rested, I can relate to that. But it is rarely so dramatic that it impairs me cognitively. I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Does expanding the ability to know somehow involve that ability fluctuating significantly from day to day, such that at times it's so low that it impairs you cognitively? I sure can't relate any of that to what *I* understand by expand the ability to know. Now I only think of it as a steady background and a given. It is the content of what I am aware of that is the important thing for me to pay attention to. Of course. I have trouble understanding why you ever thought otherwise. That is not to say that I am not introspective. I am. But not in this way that is implied in the phrase development of awareness. Monitoring that seems completely boring to me now. Thanks for making me think about this. More to your point, I think there is a good chance that people use these phrases in completely different ways even when they sound the same. Sounds to me as though you're using the phrase expand the ability to know in a way that I can't connect with anything related to TM or MMY's teaching. Well, you did just say your earlier understanding of the phrase was all gone. I think that's probably quite accurate. The point of reference is too subjective to claim that we can know that people mean the same thing. My materialistic two cents! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. LOL! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. Dream on, baby. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
Hey Lurk, I appreciate what you said. But really I don't view it that way. My intention of posting my inner experience was for people who can relate on some level. Those are the return posts that interest me. Anyone who wants to criticize me on my inner experience or the way I express it is on a different mission. One that I can't relate to at this point in my life. Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. ...and we're off to the races. Billie throws down her gauntlet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
