[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
TMO editing PR (Washington Post article) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/123447 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking the article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further. More than a couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was done. What are they thinking when they do that? They really did not need to, but the damage, to their credibility of anything else they say or write becomes material. Their peer-review stuff,, their own press- releases, their own explainations about what they do with the money, their own explainations about what they may be doing for world peace to what end. What were they thinking in their needing to sneak re-write that Washington Post article without attribution? In itself it is just so revealing about the cult of their culture up there inside. Is stunning to watch them do it. Would be interesting to hear them try to explain their actions in a critical interview. What Maharishi is doing is more important than anything anyone else is doing..., thus justifying anything they may do, to his end? Becomes the take-off point where good people can do bad things they may not otherwise do. Seeing this again with the TMorg and our friends up there? It does become about the moral integrity of those doing it and their cause they represent. The sanitizing of the Washington Post story is pretty poor which crosses over to being pretty bad. JGD, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
Inside The TM Green Zone The Washington Post and Gary Lee, The standard FF tour given by the campus and the TMorg is really quite impressive, formidable. Savvy, the team of folks there are incredibly savvy at presentation. It would be easy to get only half of the story if that was just where you went.. TMorg PR'ers must have been doing hand-springs over this amazing pr- coup of that Washington Post article. Gary Lee, the Post travel writer obviously got in over his head evidently not doing much research before he came or much after and he evidently did not wander much outside of the green zone. Not like the LA Times person did on her visit. The stunning thing is that they (the TMorg) then felt the need to sanitize the Post article as it was for the internal consumption of their own people. Is the kind of social engineering things Soviet or the Goering or Himmler would do or have good people under them do. A more interesting story becomes about integrity or its lack there of the TM movement under Maharishi. What were good people doing when they do these things? What were they thinking? Gary Lee, a travel section guy with the Wash Post got hit with broadsides and did not know he was sunk. Pretty funny to see really. Yes, it was travel writing, not usual Washington Post writing from the front sections that you would expect. From the Washington Post article, look at how the guy was squired around a tight choreography. These guys are the best at the cult of themselves, of the craft of TM-movement pr-propodanda. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111000463.html Some of the best at movement-ese spin: According to TM spokesman Bob Roth, I met on campus with Roth and Norman Zierold, another spokesman for the TM movement. offered by Dean and Christine Goodale on the hilly lawn of their Vedic City organic farm. There I met architect Jonathan Lipman, Even Ed Malloy, the amiable silver-haired mayor, The travel guy never made it out of the TM-org green zone. Now, for a different story The Washington Post ought to send out another writer better equipped to see what is going on here. Someone brave enough to venture outside the TMorg green-zone and for instance ask questions related to things like: http://www.give.org/standards/newcbbbstds.asp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83701 or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121414 http://www.give.org/standards/newcbbbstds.asp documentation that they meet basic standards: In how they govern their organization, In the ways they spend their money, In the truthfulness of their representations, and In their willingness to disclose basic information to the public. Sanitizing the FF Story http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/123447 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking the article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further. More than a couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was done. What are they thinking when they do that? They really did not need to, but the damage, to their credibility of anything else they say or write becomes material. Their peer-review stuff,, their own press- releases, their own explainations about what they do with the money, their own explainations about what they may be doing for world peace to what end. What were they thinking in their needing to sneak re-write that Washington Post article without attribution? In itself it is just so revealing about the cult of their culture up there inside. Is stunning to watch them do it. Would be interesting to hear them try to explain their actions in a critical interview. What Maharishi is doing is more important than anything anyone else is doing..., thus justifying anything they may do, to his end? Becomes the take-off point where good people can do bad things they may not otherwise do. Seeing this again with the TMorg and our friends up there? It does become about the moral integrity of those doing it and their cause they represent. The sanitizing of the Washington Post story is pretty poor which crosses over to being pretty bad. JGD, -Doug in FF ..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inside The TM Green Zone The Washington Post and Gary Lee, The standard FF tour given by the campus and the TMorg is really quite impressive, formidable. Savvy, the team of folks there are incredibly savvy at presentation. It would be easy to get only half of the story if that was just where you went.. TMorg PR'ers must have been doing hand-springs over this amazing pr- coup of that Washington Post article. Gary Lee, the Post travel writer obviously got in over his head evidently not doing much research before he came or much after and he evidently did not wander much outside of the green zone. Not like the LA Times person did on her visit. The stunning thing is that they (the TMorg) then felt the need to sanitize the Post article as it was for the internal consumption of their own people. Is the kind of social engineering things Soviet or the Goering or Himmler would do or have good people under them do. HAHAHAHA. Good one Doug. Only I am afraid you may actually be serious. The few tweaks the PR TMO analists did was odd, pretty amusing, and quirky. But to honstly compare that to Goering and Himmler? And with perhaps a veiled reference to the Gulags. Come on Doug. The acts by those people, or within that institution, were vast, horrible, unthikable horrors and tragedies. The amazing thing, far beyond the excesses of the PR team, is that you can straight-faced equate such shananigans, of minor consequence, with Goering and Gulags.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inside The TM Green Zone The Washington Post and Gary Lee, The standard FF tour given by the campus and the TMorg is really quite impressive, formidable. Savvy, the team of folks there are incredibly savvy at presentation. It would be easy to get only half of the story if that was just where you went.. TMorg PR'ers must have been doing hand-springs over this amazing pr- coup of that Washington Post article. Gary Lee, the Post travel writer obviously got in over his head evidently not doing much research before he came or much after and he evidently did not wander much outside of the green zone. Not like the LA Times person did on her visit. The stunning thing is that they (the TMorg) then felt the need to sanitize the Post article as it was for the internal consumption of their own people. Is the kind of social engineering things Soviet or the Goering or Himmler would do or have good people under them do. A more interesting story becomes about integrity or its lack there of the TM movement under Maharishi. What were good people doing when they do these things? What were they thinking? Gary Lee, a travel section guy with the Wash Post got hit with broadsides and did not know he was sunk. Pretty funny to see really. Yes, it was travel writing, not usual Washington Post writing from the front sections that you would expect. From the Washington Post article, look at how the guy was squired around a tight choreography. These guys are the best at the cult of themselves, of the craft of TM-movement pr-propodanda. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111000463.html Some of the best at movement-ese spin: According to TM spokesman Bob Roth, I met on campus with Roth and Norman Zierold, another spokesman for the TM movement. offered by Dean and Christine Goodale on the hilly lawn of their Vedic City organic farm. There I met architect Jonathan Lipman, Even Ed Malloy, the amiable silver-haired mayor, The travel guy never made it out of the TM-org green zone. Now, for a different story The Washington Post ought to send out another writer better equipped to see what is going on here. Someone brave enough to venture outside the TMorg green-zone and for instance ask questions related to things like: http://www.give.org/standards/newcbbbstds.asp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83701 or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121414 http://www.give.org/standards/newcbbbstds.asp documentation that they meet basic standards: In how they govern their organization, In the ways they spend their money, In the truthfulness of their representations, and In their willingness to disclose basic information to the public. Sanitizing the FF Story http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/123447 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking the article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further. More than a couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was done. What are they thinking when they do that? They really did not need to, but the damage, to their credibility of anything else they say or write becomes material. Their peer-review stuff,, their own press- releases, their own explainations about what they do with the money, their own explainations about what they may be doing for world peace to what end. What were they thinking in their needing to sneak re-write that Washington Post article without attribution? In itself it is just so revealing about the cult of their culture up there inside. Is stunning to watch them do it. Would be interesting to hear them try to explain their actions in a critical interview. What Maharishi is doing is more important than anything anyone else is doing..., thus justifying anything they may do, to his end? Becomes the take-off point where good people can do bad things they may not otherwise do. Seeing this again with the TMorg and our friends up there? It does become about the moral integrity of those doing it and their cause they represent. The sanitizing of the Washington Post story is pretty poor which crosses over to being pretty bad. JGD, -Doug in FF .. Inside the green-zone. Dear Newmorning, whoever you are, Hah, you pick that out. I am more thinking about the cult of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story (NYTimes)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Inside The TM Green Zone The Washington Post and Gary Lee, The standard FF tour given by the campus and the TMorg is really quite impressive, formidable. Savvy, the team of folks there are incredibly savvy at presentation. It would be easy to get only half of the story if that was just where you went.. TMorg PR'ers must have been doing hand-springs over this amazing pr- coup of that Washington Post article. Gary Lee, the Post travel writer obviously got in over his head evidently not doing much research before he came or much after and he evidently did not wander much outside of the green zone. Not like the LA Times person did on her visit. The stunning thing is that they (the TMorg) then felt the need to sanitize the Post article as it was for the internal consumption of their own people. Is the kind of social engineering things Soviet or the Goering or Himmler would do or have good people under them do. HAHAHAHA. Good one Doug. Only I am afraid you may actually be serious. The few tweaks the PR TMO analists did was odd, pretty amusing, and quirky. But to honstly compare that to Goering and Himmler? And with perhaps a veiled reference to the Gulags. Come on Doug. The acts by those people, or within that institution, were vast, horrible, unthikable horrors and tragedies. The amazing thing, far beyond the excesses of the PR team, is that you can straight-faced equate such shananigans, of minor consequence, with Goering and Gulags. Perhaps he thinks that a Krystallnacht against non-TMing fairfieldians is in the works? Any non-organic grocier store must be destroyed! or something...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking the article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further. More than a couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was done. SNIP I'm not familiar with how they sanitized the article, but I read the Post article and was surprised how positive it was considering how many different other ways it could have gone - hard to imagine the tmo being disappointed in it. But I remember a few years ago when MMY was on Larry King show - prior to the airing the tmo put out some statements attempting to downplay the importance of the show, almost discouraging tmers from watching. I assumed the interview (which had already been taped) hadn't gone very well for MMY, but it turned out to have been a typical Larry King interview in which he didn't ask any tough questions and pretty much put MMY on a small pedestal throughout. I guess if the press doesn't completely mimic the party line like bevan or hagelin do then the tmo considers it didn't go that well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. While the sanitizing is a reflection of humorous victorian sensibilities, it hardly can be generalized to falsifying research, if that is you implication. Most acknowledge some research is poor. That does not make all TM research invalid or unscientific.
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On Nov 17, 2006, at 9:06 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. While the sanitizing is a reflection of humorous victorian sensibilities, it hardly can be generalized to falsifying research, if that is you implication. Most acknowledge some research is poor. That does not make all TM research invalid or unscientific. It's an organization wide trend. If you want to trust their research, good for you. Show me the research on all the negative side effects of TM done by the TMO. I'll anxiously await your response.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
See post #123366 for the story as it appeared in the Weekly Reader. (one typo -- paragraph 5 should say The Post reporter.. not report.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking the article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further. More than a couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was done. SNIP I'm not familiar with how they sanitized the article, but I read the Post article and was surprised how positive it was considering how many different other ways it could have gone - hard to imagine the tmo being disappointed in it. But I remember a few years ago when MMY was on Larry King show - prior to the airing the tmo put out some statements attempting to downplay the importance of the show, almost discouraging tmers from watching. I assumed the interview (which had already been taped) hadn't gone very well for MMY, but it turned out to have been a typical Larry King interview in which he didn't ask any tough questions and pretty much put MMY on a small pedestal throughout. I guess if the press doesn't completely mimic the party line like bevan or hagelin do then the tmo considers it didn't go that well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking the article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further. More than a couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was done. What are they thinking when they do that? They really did not need to, but the damage, to their credibility of anything else they say or write becomes material. Their peer-review stuff,, their own press- releases, their own explainations about what they do with the money, their own explainations about what they may be doing for world peace to what end. What were they thinking in their needing to sneak re-write that Washington Post article without attribution? In itself it is just so revealing about the cult of their culture up there inside. Is stunning to watch them do it. Would be interesting to hear them try to explain their actions in a critical interview. What Maharishi is doing is more important than anything anyone else is doing..., thus justifying anything they may do, to his end? Becomes the take-off point where good people can do bad things they may not otherwise do. Seeing this again with the TMorg and our friends up there? It does become about the moral integrity of those doing it and their cause they represent. The sanitizing of the Washington Post story is pretty poor which crosses over to being pretty bad. Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. Cites? Which research published in peer-reviewed journals, has been sanitized?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. While the sanitizing is a reflection of humorous victorian sensibilities, it hardly can be generalized to falsifying research, if that is you implication. Most acknowledge some research is poor. That does not make all TM research invalid or unscientific. There are studies done only out of MUM, and studies that are done in collaboration with other institutes (not affiliated with TM). It is not always easy to tell which non-MUM researchers are TMers, but people who have established a history of research on topics other than TM seem the most likely to not be TMers, or at least have less of a philosophical ax to grind. It is easy to figure out the TM-only researchers. Click on their name-link at the top of an article abstract in the pubmed search and see if they've published much/any research on something other than TM. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/ keyword-with-quotes: transcendental meditation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 9:06 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. While the sanitizing is a reflection of humorous victorian sensibilities, it hardly can be generalized to falsifying research, if that is you implication. Most acknowledge some research is poor. That does not make all TM research invalid or unscientific. It's an organization wide trend. If you want to trust their research, good for you. Show me the research on all the negative side effects of TM done by the TMO. I'll anxiously await your response. Show me the research on all the negative side effects of Buddhist, SSRS, Chopra, etc, research... Still awaiting a response on your rsearcher list, BTW...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 4:25 PM, ffia1120 wrote: It started innocently enough. The first paragraph in the Post's version told us that Marie-Helene Tourenne left the coq au vin to simmer. In the new version her cooking had become more nondescript, and she left meals to simmer. Since chicken and wine have no rightful place amongst us, someone decided that we should remove the details about what our French chef was in fact cooking. Incredible. I guess we should be grateful they didn't say something like, she left the tofu and basmati rice to simmer, and covered the chopped zucchini and broccoli to mix in later. Can't have people thinking we actually have restaurants that cook tasty things--might give the people on campus the idea to ask for some variety. I mean, between rice and dahl or chicken simmered in wine sauce...I don't know, it's close. Not to mention the fact that their version doesn't even make sense. It's great that Tom called them on their whitewashing. I agree (except that I adore rice and dahl if it's well made). As an editor, I find the tweaking incredibly offensive. As a TMer, I find it pathetic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just picked up the Weekly Reader at the Amoco station here in FF. Local TMer Thom Krystofiak (I think he posts here sometimes, doesn't he?) wrote a front page story, Santizing the Fairfield Story about the TMO's whitewashing of the recent article in the Washington Post. I am so glad the Weekly Reader has the balls (sorry fellas) to publish this kind of story. Here is Thom's article as it appeared in its entirety in the Fairfield Weekly Reader. Way to go Thom! Sanitizing the Fairfield Story The TM movement is justifiably proud of the glowing, front-page feature article on Fairfield and Vedic City that appeared in the Washington Post's travel section on Sunday. As John Hagelin rightly observed, one could not buy this kind of stunning publicity, delivered to the Sunday brunch tables of the movers and shakers in Washington. Dr. Hagelin also declared, a tad more hyperbolically perhaps, that with the flowering of the Invincible America course Fairfield has become The most important place in the entire universe. To the extent that this is true, would it not be best to allow Fairfield to show itself in all its true colors? Yet when the movement, on Monday, sent the Post article to its extensive mailing lists, quite a few changes had silently been made. It started innocently enough. The first paragraph in the Post's version told us that Marie-Helene Tourenne left the coq au vin to simmer. In the new version her cooking had become more nondescript, and she left meals to simmer. Since chicken and wine have no rightful place amongst us, someone decided that we should remove the details about what our French chef was in fact cooking. There were more substantive edits. The title of the original piece was OM on the Grange, but that was morphed to Transcendental Iowa. And two misleading references to TM being a breathing technique were fixed up. One might have expected these corrections to be made via Editor's Notes, leaving the originals in place, but the more stealthy approach of direct alteration was chosen. The boldest stroke of sanitization came next. The Post report took in many of the sights and shops of our community. At one point he said, Besides the MUM campus, practitioners can pore over meditation literature at 21st Century Books. They can visit Maharishi Vedic City, a model town founded by TM followers just outside Fairfield. Or they can shop at Thymely Solutions, which specializes in homeopathic remedies, and other boutiques started by meditators. In the new version, two named businesses disappeared from the list: Besides the MUM campus, practitioners can visit Maharish Vedic City, a model town founded by TM followers just outside Fairfield. Or they can shop at the many stores and boutiques started by meditators. Apparently the existence of books about meditation and the existence of homeopathic remedies in our town would be embarrassing or confusing to someone, and it was felt they deserved to be suppressed. If not, hapless readers might get a sense that our community includes diversity in its approaches to health and in the range of its spiritual curiosities. On the other hand, the names of acceptable establishments remain in the new article, including The Raj, Revelations, Americus Galleries and others. I do not mean to sully the general celebratory mood in Fairfield these days. Interesting and wonderful things are happening, worthy of celebration. Let's hope that as our success and our accomplishments continue to grow, we in turn grow beyond the need to whitewash the diverse details of life as lived in this community. Read the original article by Gary Lee of the Washington Post at www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111000463.html. Read the altered version at http://www.invincibleamerica.org/. ** If anybody knows Thom Krystofiak, maybe you could suggest to him that he notify Gary Lee of the Washington Post, I'm sure he would find this interesting. The funny thing about this is that the Washington Post is a newspaper of national note with a very large readership, and they got all the info that the TM PR people did not want them to get. Who reads Invincible America.org? -- rus! So hardly any point in making these edits...
