[FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
LOL. Cheers! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks Xeno...I'll try to post more often. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was not around today, but we want to keep FFL. My suggestion was only at the potential heels of despotic moderation of FFL. Those who dislike this site as it is now could think of going over to The Peak, as it was expressly created to avoid this place as it is now. People stay here because it is more intellectually stimulating, in spite of the fact there is one person here that is stupider than all the others. The 'stupidest person' here is really a symbol, like that of the 'unknown soldier', it expresses a principle, not a personality. There is also the smartest person here, but he/she has not posted in a while, and it's not me, it's not Barry, it's not Judy, and it certainly was not Robin. Perhaps that is a figment of my imagination, but someone in a group is always the brightest star in the heavens. Attachment in the spiritual sense just means the awareness is not identified with the attachment, the mind only is. So the self/awareness can be free, and some attachments may remain. Maharishi got attached to people. This is not the 'level' on which attachment/identification in the spiritual sense occurs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Thanks Xeno...I'll try to post more often. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was not around today, but we want to keep FFL. My suggestion was only at the potential heels of despotic moderation of FFL. Those who dislike this site as it is now could think of going over to The Peak, as it was expressly created to avoid this place as it is now. People stay here because it is more intellectually stimulating, in spite of the fact there is one person here that is stupider than all the others. The 'stupidest person' here is really a symbol, like that of the 'unknown soldier', it expresses a principle, not a personality. There is also the smartest person here, but he/she has not posted in a while, and it's not me, it's not Barry, it's not Judy, and it certainly was not Robin. Perhaps that is a figment of my imagination, but someone in a group is always the brightest star in the heavens. Attachment in the spiritual sense just means the awareness is not identified with the attachment, the mind only is. So the self/awareness can be free, and some attachments may remain. Maharishi got attached to people. This is not the 'level' on which attachment/identification in the spiritual sense occurs.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Jesus Christ, is someone starting to panic about the possibility of moderator? Oh, and Barry, thank you for proving what Mark Twain said about statistics. Barry, only those who feel their gig would be exposed would respond as you are doing here. Maybe, you're gonna have to put on your big boy pants for a change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stance to enable, is just letting go, as when one lets go of a mantra and it goes and changes however it goes. The individual posters enable whatever happens because they are the one producing the content. But content here comes from thought, and thought is spontaneous, it comes effortlessly and naturally, so really, nature itself is what enables what happens here, and everywhere else for that matter. I believe you are attributing intentionality incorrectly. When I say 'believe', that means it's an opinion, not necessarily true, though it could be. That’s a fair assessment. I give little attention to FFL because I’m so busy with other things. But I’ve gotten so many complaints recently that I may appoint a moderator soon, and will announce it when I do. I don’t believe in censorship, but I also don’t believe in enabling abusive behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. For the longest time, I simply thought he wasn't doing his job as moderator, when in fact he is precisely enabling the behavior he wants to see on here, and always has been. I have no issues with that at all - like I said, it just took me awhile to see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@...> wrote : The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
I believe you know what "random" means and how I was using it in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If thoughts are spontaneous, does that mean they are random? Might be, might not be. How could you tell? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you have some comment to make on what I wrote, Xeno, or were these just some random thoughts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People rarely see eye to eye. Everyone here has characterised other's ideas and behaviour in ways that that particular person thought was inaccurate. Frankly I find interpreting other people's motivations a mystery, it's like a black box. There are some who think they are 'good' at this, knowing exactly what the other person is doing and why. I consider that a smoke screen for trying to justify a particular position, which is one person's idea of what the other is doing and why. Having gotten through about 3/4th of a book written by a diagnosed sociopath, assuming the content of the book was a truthful reflection, a very charming person might simply be manipulating a situation for entirely personal gains, seeing people basically as piece on a chessboard to be moved at will by manipulating their weaknesses. If we are that bad at interpreting true motivation, how could a moderator be any better at it, making judgements based on what we cannot really know, only what we opine we know? An opinion only represents our pretence that we know something, opinions tend to represent emotional states, not facts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually, Rick didn't say anything about "trying to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life" He simply said he might appoint a moderator because he doesn't believe in enabling abusive behavior. Presumably once the moderator has taken over, the abusive behavior here will no longer be tolerated. I hope one thing the moderator looks out for and sanctions is misrepresentation of and/or attempts to mislead about other members' behavior. With regard to the 18 posts of mine Barry mentions below, it would be helpful to look at the posts I was responding to. (The total number of my posts to FFL between last June and today is 31, made during two brief visits.) I am not a member of The Peak, "technically" or otherwise. I have no private communication with its members but do read it off and on, as I do FFL. I have on occasion defended The Peak and its members from false and abusive comments made on FFL, of which there have been many (not enumerated here by Barry). It's not clear to me that anyone is attempting to "disrupt" FFL. As far as I can see, there is a continuation over the last few days of a long-standing FFL discussion having to do with the persistent abuse of TM supporters by non-TM supporters. It should also be noted that of the five Peak members who have been posting here, two (Doug and Steve) have been posting to FFL all along. One (Xeno) is primarily an FFL member who occasionally posts to The Peak. One (Richard) posts almost exclusively to FFL. And one (Jim) has posted very little to FFL until quite recently. The notion promoted by some FFL members that there has been a sudden invasion of FFL by Peak members bent on disruption is false. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behavi
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
If thoughts are spontaneous, does that mean they are random? Might be, might not be. How could you tell? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you have some comment to make on what I wrote, Xeno, or were these just some random thoughts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People rarely see eye to eye. Everyone here has characterised other's ideas and behaviour in ways that that particular person thought was inaccurate. Frankly I find interpreting other people's motivations a mystery, it's like a black box. There are some who think they are 'good' at this, knowing exactly what the other person is doing and why. I consider that a smoke screen for trying to justify a particular position, which is one person's idea of what the other is doing and why. Having gotten through about 3/4th of a book written by a diagnosed sociopath, assuming the content of the book was a truthful reflection, a very charming person might simply be manipulating a situation for entirely personal gains, seeing people basically as piece on a chessboard to be moved at will by manipulating their weaknesses. If we are that bad at interpreting true motivation, how could a moderator be any better at it, making judgements based on what we cannot really know, only what we opine we know? An opinion only represents our pretence that we know something, opinions tend to represent emotional states, not facts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually, Rick didn't say anything about "trying to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life" He simply said he might appoint a moderator because he doesn't believe in enabling abusive behavior. Presumably once the moderator has taken over, the abusive behavior here will no longer be tolerated. I hope one thing the moderator looks out for and sanctions is misrepresentation of and/or attempts to mislead about other members' behavior. With regard to the 18 posts of mine Barry mentions below, it would be helpful to look at the posts I was responding to. (The total number of my posts to FFL between last June and today is 31, made during two brief visits.) I am not a member of The Peak, "technically" or otherwise. I have no private communication with its members but do read it off and on, as I do FFL. I have on occasion defended The Peak and its members from false and abusive comments made on FFL, of which there have been many (not enumerated here by Barry). It's not clear to me that anyone is attempting to "disrupt" FFL. As far as I can see, there is a continuation over the last few days of a long-standing FFL discussion having to do with the persistent abuse of TM supporters by non-TM supporters. It should also be noted that of the five Peak members who have been posting here, two (Doug and Steve) have been posting to FFL all along. One (Xeno) is primarily an FFL member who occasionally posts to The Peak. One (Richard) posts almost exclusively to FFL. And one (Jim) has posted very little to FFL until quite recently. The notion promoted by some FFL members that there has been a sudden invasion of FFL by Peak members bent on disruption is false. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, wit
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Did you have some comment to make on what I wrote, Xeno, or were these just some random thoughts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People rarely see eye to eye. Everyone here has characterised other's ideas and behaviour in ways that that particular person thought was inaccurate. Frankly I find interpreting other people's motivations a mystery, it's like a black box. There are some who think they are 'good' at this, knowing exactly what the other person is doing and why. I consider that a smoke screen for trying to justify a particular position, which is one person's idea of what the other is doing and why. Having gotten through about 3/4th of a book written by a diagnosed sociopath, assuming the content of the book was a truthful reflection, a very charming person might simply be manipulating a situation for entirely personal gains, seeing people basically as piece on a chessboard to be moved at will by manipulating their weaknesses. If we are that bad at interpreting true motivation, how could a moderator be any better at it, making judgements based on what we cannot really know, only what we opine we know? An opinion only represents our pretence that we know something, opinions tend to represent emotional states, not facts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually, Rick didn't say anything about "trying to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life" He simply said he might appoint a moderator because he doesn't believe in enabling abusive behavior. Presumably once the moderator has taken over, the abusive behavior here will no longer be tolerated. I hope one thing the moderator looks out for and sanctions is misrepresentation of and/or attempts to mislead about other members' behavior. With regard to the 18 posts of mine Barry mentions below, it would be helpful to look at the posts I was responding to. (The total number of my posts to FFL between last June and today is 31, made during two brief visits.) I am not a member of The Peak, "technically" or otherwise. I have no private communication with its members but do read it off and on, as I do FFL. I have on occasion defended The Peak and its members from false and abusive comments made on FFL, of which there have been many (not enumerated here by Barry). It's not clear to me that anyone is attempting to "disrupt" FFL. As far as I can see, there is a continuation over the last few days of a long-standing FFL discussion having to do with the persistent abuse of TM supporters by non-TM supporters. It should also be noted that of the five Peak members who have been posting here, two (Doug and Steve) have been posting to FFL all along. One (Xeno) is primarily an FFL member who occasionally posts to The Peak. One (Richard) posts almost exclusively to FFL. And one (Jim) has posted very little to FFL until quite recently. The notion promoted by some FFL members that there has been a sudden invasion of FFL by Peak members bent on disruption is false. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now tha
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
People rarely see eye to eye. Everyone here has characterised other's ideas and behaviour in ways that that particular person thought was inaccurate. Frankly I find interpreting other people's motivations a mystery, it's like a black box. There are some who think they are 'good' at this, knowing exactly what the other person is doing and why. I consider that a smoke screen for trying to justify a particular position, which is one person's idea of what the other is doing and why. Having gotten through about 3/4th of a book written by a diagnosed sociopath, assuming the content of the book was a truthful reflection, a very charming person might simply be manipulating a situation for entirely personal gains, seeing people basically as piece on a chessboard to be moved at will by manipulating their weaknesses. If we are that bad at interpreting true motivation, how could a moderator be any better at it, making judgements based on what we cannot really know, only what we opine we know? An opinion only represents our pretence that we know something, opinions tend to represent emotional states, not facts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually, Rick didn't say anything about "trying to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life" He simply said he might appoint a moderator because he doesn't believe in enabling abusive behavior. Presumably once the moderator has taken over, the abusive behavior here will no longer be tolerated. I hope one thing the moderator looks out for and sanctions is misrepresentation of and/or attempts to mislead about other members' behavior. With regard to the 18 posts of mine Barry mentions below, it would be helpful to look at the posts I was responding to. (The total number of my posts to FFL between last June and today is 31, made during two brief visits.) I am not a member of The Peak, "technically" or otherwise. I have no private communication with its members but do read it off and on, as I do FFL. I have on occasion defended The Peak and its members from false and abusive comments made on FFL, of which there have been many (not enumerated here by Barry). It's not clear to me that anyone is attempting to "disrupt" FFL. As far as I can see, there is a continuation over the last few days of a long-standing FFL discussion having to do with the persistent abuse of TM supporters by non-TM supporters. It should also be noted that of the five Peak members who have been posting here, two (Doug and Steve) have been posting to FFL all along. One (Xeno) is primarily an FFL member who occasionally posts to The Peak. One (Richard) posts almost exclusively to FFL. And one (Jim) has posted very little to FFL until quite recently. The notion promoted by some FFL members that there has been a sudden invasion of FFL by Peak members bent on disruption is false. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stan
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Actually, Rick didn't say anything about "trying to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life" He simply said he might appoint a moderator because he doesn't believe in enabling abusive behavior. Presumably once the moderator has taken over, the abusive behavior here will no longer be tolerated. I hope one thing the moderator looks out for and sanctions is misrepresentation of and/or attempts to mislead about other members' behavior. With regard to the 18 posts of mine Barry mentions below, it would be helpful to look at the posts I was responding to. (The total number of my posts to FFL between last June and today is 31, made during two brief visits.) I am not a member of The Peak, "technically" or otherwise. I have no private communication with its members but do read it off and on, as I do FFL. I have on occasion defended The Peak and its members from false and abusive comments made on FFL, of which there have been many (not enumerated here by Barry). It's not clear to me that anyone is attempting to "disrupt" FFL. As far as I can see, there is a continuation over the last few days of a long-standing FFL discussion having to do with the persistent abuse of TM supporters by non-TM supporters. It should also be noted that of the five Peak members who have been posting here, two (Doug and Steve) have been posting to FFL all along. One (Xeno) is primarily an FFL member who occasionally posts to The Peak. One (Richard) posts almost exclusively to FFL. And one (Jim) has posted very little to FFL until quite recently. The notion promoted by some FFL members that there has been a sudden invasion of FFL by Peak members bent on disruption is false. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stance to enable, is just letting go, as when one lets go of a mantra and it goes and changes however it goes. The individual posters enable whatever happens because they are the one producing the content. But content here comes from thought, and thought is spontaneous, it comes effortlessly and naturally, so really, nature itself is what enables what happens here, and everywhere else for that matter. I believe you are attributing intentionality incorrectly. When I say 'believe', that means it's an opinion, not necessarily true, though it could be. That’s a fair assessment. I give little attention to FFL because I’m so busy with other things. But I’ve gotten so many complaints recently that I may appoint a moderator soon, and will announce it when I do. I don’t believe in censorship, but I also don’t believe in enabling abusive behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. F
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Hi Rick, I am pleased to hear that you're going to look into the "moderation issue" and try to determine exactly who is disrupting Fairfield Life and creating a negative experience for posters who have chosen to remain there and post, as opposed to moving over to The_Peak. To help you decide where exactly the problem lies, and who you might need to "moderate," here are some interesting statistics for you to ponder: -- Number of posts made in June to The_Peak by FFL members that were designed and intended to complain about The_Peak and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 0 (zero) -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by The_Peak members that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 131 -- Number of posts made in June to FFL by Judy Stein (technically not a member of The_Peak) that were designed and intended to complain about FFL and disrupt that group's ongoing conversations: 18 Seems to me that there is a concerted effort by members of another group (The_Leak) and one of their sympathizers (Judy Stein) to disrupt Fairfield Life. Meanwhile, there is NO corresponding attempt by anyone at FFL to go over to The_Peak and disrupt *their* conversations. I think these statistics speak for themselves as to who needs "moderation," but you decide... Barry ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stance to enable, is just letting go, as when one lets go of a mantra and it goes and changes however it goes. The individual posters enable whatever happens because they are the one producing the content. But content here comes from thought, and thought is spontaneous, it comes effortlessly and naturally, so really, nature itself is what enables what happens here, and everywhere else for that matter. I believe you are attributing intentionality incorrectly. When I say 'believe', that means it's an opinion, not necessarily true, though it could be. That’s a fair assessment. I give little attention to FFL because I’m so busy with other things. But I’ve gotten so many complaints recently that I may appoint a moderator soon, and will announce it when I do. I don’t believe in censorship, but I also don’t believe in enabling abusive behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. For the longest time, I simply thought he wasn't doing his job as moderator, when in fact he is precisely enabling the behavior he wants to see on here, and always has been. I have no issues with that at all - like I said, it just took me awhile to see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@...> wrote : The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have.
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Yep, MJ's reach for an honest contrition here in this thread seems quite admirable as is R-V's reasoning quite fair enough given all that has gone before. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks MJ. It was something I felt could be mentioned at the time with everyone talking about enlightenment, but very third person about it. I am inclined to open doors to see what is behind them. I always learn a lot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : come to think of it, I believe you are right and I apologize to you here and now. From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show MJ, Please find one post where I did that. I certainly stated it as obvious, but I never congratulated myself about it. That is a story someone else invented. I do recall someone posting all caps that I was not fucking enlightened, which is a little extreme, don't you think? It is a tough subject to talk about, especially with the rest of life happening at the same time, and I am certainly neither a teacher or a scholar when it comes to writing about spirituality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : have never seen anyone congratulating him- or herself on how intelligent or enlightened they really are. Jim did it plenty enough here on FFL. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 5:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show Before Barry and/or one or more of the Thugs decides to pile on, allow me to point out that there is actually only one person from The Peak, Jim, who posts here once in awhile. Doug and Steve have been posting on both forums all along. I don't post on The Peak at all and extremely rarely on FFL (this is my second brief visit since last June). Xeno never left FFL but slums over on The Peak. I think that about covers it. Did you have anyone else in mind? Or were you simply imagining things? And just for the record, I read The Peak occasionally and have never seen anyone congratulating him- or herself on how intelligent or enlightened they really are. I think you must have hallucinated that as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why are all these blustering blowhards scurrying back to FFL from the Peep? Must be really boring over there with everyone congratulating themselves about how intelligent they really are - oh, and enlightened too. Seemed that they all left FFL in a big huff. So how come they're now still going on and on with the same old fluff? So, ca... ca... can we jus... just get along? You know ... being in Unity and all that.
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x, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. ------------- FROM: salyavin808 TO: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com SENT: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM SUBJECT: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : FROM: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" TO: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com SENT: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM SUBJECT: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... /SIMILARLY, I AM NOT ACCUSING JIM FLANEGIN FROM THE CHICO, CALIFORNIA AREA OF ANYTHING, JUST REMINDING HIM THAT PEOPL
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/It's just ironic, Steve, that it turns out that Barry is the FFL troll. It's like a 360, but in reverse (no pun intended, Jim). Lol!/ Quoting "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" : Barry, I think the origin of this latest "rant", is that after all your lobbying, and cleverly written appeals, you are still..., only IT-#17. Who knows, maybe at the next executive committee of Internet Trolls, you can prevail upon them to move you down a few notches, with the final goal of being in the top 10. But, still, IT-#17 is not too shabby, for those who care about such things. Hang in there, guy. (-: I'll be rootin for ya! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : FROM: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" TO: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com SENT: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. /MEANWHILE, HAVING ONE'S BUTTONS SO EASILY PUSHED THAT ONE CAN BE MADE ANGRY AND OBSESSIVE JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT SOMEONE WRITES TO AN OBSCURE INTERNET FORUM IS PRETTY MUCH THE DEFINITION OF UN-ENLIGHTENMENT AND BEING A SLAVE TO ONE'S EMOTIONS AND ATTACHMENTS./ /WHAT THE PEOPLE WHINING ABOUT "TROLLS" DON'T SEEM TO REALIZE IS THAT THEY ARE CHARACTERIZING THEMSELVES AS "TROLL BAIT" AND SORTA SAYING, "HERE I AM, SO WEAK AND INTELLECTUALLY RIGID THAT YOU CAN MAKE ME PURPLE-FACED ANGRY AND OBSESSIVE JUST BY WRITING SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT A BELIEF I HOLD OR A FALSE GURU THAT I WORSHIP." / /GIVEN THAT SCENARIO, AND ALL OF THE CLASSIC DEFINITIONS IN SPIRITUAL LITERATURE OF ENLIGHTENMENT VS. IGNORANCE, T'WOULD SEEM THAT "TROLLS" ARE FAR MORE HIGHLY EVOLVED THAN THOSE WHOSE ATTACHMENTS THEY REVEAL./ Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing alternative presented itself at the critical moment. /IT WAS THE POINT AT WHICH ONE PARTICULARLY STUPID PIECE OF TROLL-BAIT THOUGHT, "AHA! NOW I'VE GOT HIM. MAYBE *THIS* IS THE THING I'VE BEEN HOPING AND DREAMING FOR ALL THESE YEARS, AND I CAN MAKE A BIG ENOUGH STINK OVER BARRY USING THIS ANALOGY THAT I CAN EXTORT RICK INTO THROWING HIM OFF THE FORUM." / /BUT IT DIDN'T WORK, AND IN FACT BACKFIRED SO BADLY THAT HE HAD TO RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE FORUM. PERSONALLY, I THINK THE KARMA DEMONSTRATED BY THE WHOLE SCENARIO WAS PRETTY DELICIOUS. :-)/ Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten. /THE THING IS, XENO, SHE'S TELLING THE TRUTH. THIS FORUM BECAME A PLACE FOR HER TO OBSESS ABOUT "GETTING BARRY AND ANYONE WHO DARES TO SUPPORT HIM" YEARS AGO. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT TM ANY MORE -- THE *ONLY* THING THAT BRINGS HER SCURRYING ROACH-LIKE OUT OF THE WOODWORK IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO TURN PEOPLE AGAINST BARRY AND "GET" HIM./ and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. Bullshit. Testing folks' development of consciousness is not the purpose of FFL nor the prerogative of any of its members. /BULLSHIT. THE VERY REASON THERE ARE SO MANY CHARLATANS IN THE WORLD OF SPIRITUAL PRACTICE IS THAT SO FEW PEOPLE DO PUT THEIR CLAIMS TO THE TEST. THE VERY *IDEA* THAT SOMEONE AS REACTIVE AND AS CHRONICALLY ANGRY AS JIM FLANEGIN COULD BE ENLIGHTENED IS LUDICROUS. ALL I DID WAS POINT IT OUT, AND (AND THIS IS THE PART THAT PISSES HIM OFF SO MUCH) SO CLEARLY AND SO EFFECTIVELY THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY BELIEVES HIS CLAIMS./ About half the people here no longer practis
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Oopsie-Judy, correction. I wrote (addressing Barry): In fact, when I posted for the first time in months several weeks ago, it was to rebut aryavazhi's string of malicious falsehoods about me. I didn't say anything to you or about you until you decided to take his side and go after me. Actually I did mention Barry in passing in my post to aryavazhi: Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost certainly be with more lies.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's emotions and attachments. You are the LAST person who ought to be criticizing anybody for being a slave to their emotions and attachments. Nobody here demonstrates uncontrolled anger and attachment to the extent you do. Look at your gratuitous abuse of Bhairitu today. Look at the incredible compendium of abuse of himself that Jim compiled. I could make a similar one of your abuse of me (probably even longer). Look at your and aryavazhi's "epitaph" for me when I was here a few weeks ago; it was about four times as long as all my posts for that visit combined. That's ATTACHMENT, bro, driven by RAGE. It's what generates and permeates your many, many abusive posts. What the people whining about "trolls" don't seem to realize is that THEY are characterizing themselves as "troll bait" and sorta saying, "Here I am, so weak and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I worship." Somehow I doubt anybody sorta talks about "a false guru that I worship." Sloppy, Barry, sloppy. More importantly, it's not nearly so much he criticism of beliefs or gurus that upsets people; it's the ABUSE, the vicious personal attacks, the malicious falsehoods. You yourself made that point not long ago. Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Yeah, but we aren't "given" the scenario you describe. It's one of your many fantasies. And it's probably not too smart to try to apply "classic definitions" to modern people engaging in electronic conversation when all you know about them is what they write in their posts. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing alternative presented itself at the critical moment. It was the point at which one particularly stupid piece of troll-bait thought, "Aha! NOW I've got him. Maybe *this* is the thing I've been hoping and dreaming for all these years, and I can make a big enough stink over Barry using this analogy that I can extort Rick into throwing him off the forum." "Dreaming for"?? Your writing is getting sloppier and sloppier. But it didn't work, and in fact backfired so badly that HE had to run away and leave the forum. Personally, I think the karma demonstrated by the whole scenario was pretty delicious. :-) I sure can't blame him for trying. That was an inexcusable post. It didn't "backfire," though, to the contrary; and he didn't "run away"--he hasn't left the forum, much to your discomfort. Plus which, he was inspired to create his own forum, which has left you gnashing your teeth with rage and jealousy. You've never had to deal with real consequences for your behavior here before, and you're doing it really, really badly. Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten. The thing is, Xeno, she's telling the truth. This forum became a place for her to obsess about "getting Barry and anyone who dares to support him" years ago. She doesn't give a shit about TM any more -- the *only* thing that brings her scurrying roach-like out of the woodwork is another opportunity to try to turn people against Barry and "get" him. In fact, when I posted for the first time in months several weeks ago, it was to rebut aryavazhi's string of malicious falsehoods about me. I didn't say anything to you or about you until you decided to take his side and go after me. Oopsie! But, you know, Barry, believe it or not, people make up their own minds. You've treated so many people so badly that you yourself are the one who really turns fo
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I have been on FFL for about four years. I don't think it has changed all that much considering the extremes of posting in that time. Some people seem a little more sensitive these days, and for the most part it seems milder on average because there are fewer divergent viewpoints and some of the weaker minds have left for the most part. The strongest divergent viewpoint was Judy, and she never deferred to anyone except when Robin was posting. Her leaving left those who supported her views, or her method of arguing, more or less, exposed without a champion to hide behind and were not as capable of dealing effectively with criticism of their ideas. So they complained instead. They also seem to have unhandled emotional issues. Those on the other side of the TMO/not-TMO and TM/not-TM coin have also had some complaints about the complainers complaining, and Richard's space hogging trolling. Just like a family on vacation, no one wants the same thing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stance to enable, is just letting go, as when one lets go of a mantra and it goes and changes however it goes. The individual posters enable whatever happens because they are the one producing the content. But content here comes from thought, and thought is spontaneous, it comes effortlessly and naturally, so really, nature itself is what enables what happens here, and everywhere else for that matter. I believe you are attributing intentionality incorrectly. When I say 'believe', that means it's an opinion, not necessarily true, though it could be. That’s a fair assessment. I give little attention to FFL because I’m so busy with other things. But I’ve gotten so many complaints recently that I may appoint a moderator soon, and will announce it when I do. I don’t believe in censorship, but I also don’t believe in enabling abusive behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. For the longest time, I simply thought he wasn't doing his job as moderator, when in fact he is precisely enabling the behavior he wants to see on here, and always has been. I have no issues with that at all - like I said, it just took me awhile to see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@...> wrote : The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stance to enable, is just letting go, as when one lets go of a mantra and it goes and changes however it goes. The individual posters enable whatever happens because they are the one producing the content. But content here comes from thought, and thought is spontaneous, it comes effortlessly and naturally, so really, nature itself is what enables what happens here, and everywhere else for that matter. I believe you are attributing intentionality incorrectly. When I say 'believe', that means it's an opinion, not necessarily true, though it could be. That’s a fair assessment. I give little attention to FFL because I’m so busy with other things. But I’ve gotten so many complaints recently that I may appoint a moderator soon, and will announce it when I do. I don’t believe in censorship, but I also don’t believe in enabling abusive behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , mailto:reverse_archery@...> > wrote : Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. For the longest time, I simply thought he wasn't doing his job as moderator, when in fact he is precisely enabling the behavior he wants to see on here, and always has been. I have no issues with that at all - like I said, it just took me awhile to see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , mailto:noozguru@...> > wrote : The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have.
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I believe when you say Rick is enabling a certain behaviour, you are really saying he is not preventing behaviour you would rather not see. He is not enabling, its laissez-faire, a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering. When you use the word enabling, you are assuming Rick wants to have that kind of behaviour to which you have so far objected. But now that you see he is just letting things take their natural course, that should not be a problem any more. I do not think Rick has an intentional stance to enable, is just letting go, as when one lets go of a mantra and it goes and changes however it goes. The individual posters enable whatever happens because they are the one producing the content. But content here comes from thought, and thought is spontaneous, it comes effortlessly and naturally, so really, nature itself is what enables what happens here, and everywhere else for that matter. I believe you are attributing intentionality incorrectly. When I say 'believe', that means it's an opinion, not necessarily true, though it could be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. For the longest time, I simply thought he wasn't doing his job as moderator, when in fact he is precisely enabling the behavior he wants to see on here, and always has been. I have no issues with that at all - like I said, it just took me awhile to see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have.
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Sort of. It took me awhile to recognize that this place has been allowed to deteriorate one post at a time, deliberately. Once I saw that, that this is Rick's intention and legacy, I was OK with it. For the longest time, I simply thought he wasn't doing his job as moderator, when in fact he is precisely enabling the behavior he wants to see on here, and always has been. I have no issues with that at all - like I said, it just took me awhile to see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have. On 06/07/2015 04:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Xeno, you've been doing such a good job of explaining yourself and bringing clarity to these murky topics that I haven't felt any need to add anything. But I did want you to know that I've been reading what you have been writing and appreciating it. I especially like the distinction you make below and that I have highlighted in red. Jim's weakness is that he is either too lazy to rigorously engage his intellect, or is such an mental lightweight that he *can't* get involved with a topic intellectually. I tend towards believing the latter. Your strength, however -- AS I SEE THINGS -- is that as you say you get involved intellectually in topics here, but *don't* get involved with them emotionally. If there is such a thing as an actual demonstration of enlightened behavior on this forum -- it's not being demonstrated by Jim, but by Xeno -- line on water. From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show When you try to characterise an argument as feeble, you are not trying to respond to an argument in a reasoned way, you are just taking the lazy way out, so you do not have to do the work to think of a proper response. The only person on FFL I do not respond to is Richard, and I ignore his posts. I take time to respond to you however, but often you are very curt and dismissive. Judy was often dismissive in this way. I do not think Barry is this way, he is more of a hit and run assassin, and does not stay around to argue. I think you get annoyed if people disagree with you. I too get annoyed, but I usually try to think it through. Do you think of yourself as impatient? I often get that feeling from you. You sort of breeze through things without getting deeply involved intellectually, whereas I do not get deeply involved emotionally. Each of us is superficial in some way then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:reverse_archery@... wrote : Despite your protestations to the contrary, trolls all look alike, and their objectives are always the same. Same template, different day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : Well, you certainly do not put any effort into responding to those you disagree with. That is another sort of feeble. Do you think everyone is out to hook you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:reverse_archery@... wrote : You, like Barry, try to disguise your troll-bait. Unfortunately, you aren't any good at it. If you have any more questions about how the Yahoo groups interface operates, please ask. Otherwise, Xeno, I am content to be aware of your feeble intellectual masturbation, from a distance. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : I don't see there is much distinction between a distinction and a 'technical distinction' here. Yes Rick allows trolls, although who is and is not a troll partially depends on whether you like the content or not. Share liked Richard's content, while I think he is a troll. Would be easier to scan through things if Richard was not on the site. Because Rick does not post much, and does not actively moderate the site content, what rule is he breaking? Content by others is not moderated, the guidelines specify self-moderation because Rick choose the hands-off op! tion. Is 'darn' allowed bit not 'damn'? Seems like there is a certain flexibility. Generally I observe people want content that they disagree with to b
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The funny thing is the more they go on about FFL and the need for moderating the more Rick is likely to keep it up the way it is. After what FFL has always been is a place for people who have on thing in common, that they were involved in TM, to share their outlook on everything, not just TM or spirituality. I've always said it's like the "off topic" sections many forums have. On 06/07/2015 04:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Xeno, you've been doing such a good job of explaining yourself and bringing clarity to these murky topics that I haven't felt any need to add anything. But I did want you to know that I've been reading what you have been writing and appreciating it. I especially like the distinction you make below and that I have highlighted in red./* */ /* */Jim's weakness is that he is either too lazy to rigorously engage his intellect, or is such an mental lightweight that he *can't* get involved with a topic intellectually. I tend towards believing the latter. /* */ /* */Your strength, however -- AS I SEE THINGS -- is that as you say you get involved intellectually in topics here, but *don't* get involved with them emotionally. /* */ /* **/If there is such a thing as an actual demonstration of enlightened behavior on this forum -- it's not being demonstrated by Jim, but by Xeno -- /**/line on water. /** ** * *From:* "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show When you try to characterise an argument as feeble, you are not trying to respond to an argument in a reasoned way, you are just taking the lazy way out, so you do not have to do the work to think of a proper response. The only person on FFL I do not respond to is Richard, and I ignore his posts. I take time to respond to you however, but often you are very curt and dismissive. Judy was often dismissive in this way. I do not think Barry is this way, he is more of a hit and run assassin, and does not stay around to argue. I think you get annoyed if people disagree with you. I too get annoyed, but I usually try to think it through. Do you think of yourself as impatient? I often get that feeling from you. *You sort of breeze through things without getting deeply involved intellectually, whereas I do not get deeply involved emotionally.* Each of us is superficial in some way then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Despite your protestations to the contrary, trolls all look alike, and their objectives are always the same. Same template, different day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, you certainly do not put any effort into responding to those you disagree with. That is another sort of feeble. Do you think everyone is out to hook you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You, like Barry, try to disguise your troll-bait. Unfortunately, you aren't any good at it. If you have any more questions about how the Yahoo groups interface operates, please ask. Otherwise, Xeno, I am content to be aware of your feeble intellectual masturbation, from a distance. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't see there is much distinction between a distinction and a 'technical distinction' here. Yes Rick allows trolls, although who is and is not a troll partially depends on whether you like the content or not. Share liked Richard's content, while I think he is a troll. Would be easier to scan through things if Richard was not on the site. Because Rick does not post much, and does not actively moderate the site content, what rule is he breaking? Content by others is not moderated, the guidelines specify self-moderation because Rick choose the hands-off op! tion. Is 'darn' allowed bit not 'damn'? Seems like there is a certain flexibility. Generally I observe people want content that they disagree with to be moderated, so which one is right in a disagreement over this? You do not break a rule because another does. I am not confused. I just do not care what you think about this particular subject. Moderating may require having some personal issues with what people say. If the guidelines were followed slavishly and literally, FFL would be as boring as The Peak usually is. If I were moderating this site, I would only eliminate one poster in the current group. Suppose I was moderating this site, and I made a rule that you had prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God existed before you were allowed to use the word or even the concept and related words on this site (you could publish a scientific paper in Science or Nature, that was accepted by scientists and replicated, that would work). You could talk ab
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P.S.: You do realize that if we're trolls, we're more highly evolved than you are, according to Barry: Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Or did you not even bother to read his post that you were commenting on? Ooopsie! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh, shut up, salyavin. You have nothing to contribute to this discussion. You can't even get your basic *facts* straight. Where science is concerned, facts are all-important, but the hell with the facts where *people* are concerned, right? What intellectual integrity! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Judy is a troll, Willytex is a troll, Jimbo is a troll, seventhray is a troll. They are trolls because all they do is stir the shit on here. None of them even remotely try and contribute anything worth reading and all they do try and bring everyone else down. If this place is so painful one of them should maybe start their own site where they can go and talk without having their delicate sensibilities offended by opinions or people they don't like. Oh wait, that already happened! I wonder what went wrong and why they came back? Maybe they thought that everyone would join the new site and leave Turq on his own when the reality was that all the fun and interesting posters stayed here. Maybe they lack the imagination to come up with original topics of conversation? It's easy really, all you have to do is write about something you're interested in. No interests huh? Other than whining on news groups obviously. So what to do once the new site trick failed? Maybe they decided to hang out here and make the place unreadable. Yes, that would be a constructive use of their time and show how much they have evolved spiritually. They are almost at age 3 now. Maybe they're just a bunch of dicks? In anticipation of the endless list of tedious replies about fantastic the peak is compared to here I have one thing to say; Why not stay there and let everyone who wanted to stay here enjoy themselves? Why are you dweebs so fucking small minded?
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Oh, shut up, salyavin. You have nothing to contribute to this discussion. You can't even get your basic *facts* straight. Where science is concerned, facts are all-important, but the hell with the facts where *people* are concerned, right? What intellectual integrity! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Judy is a troll, Willytex is a troll, Jimbo is a troll, seventhray is a troll. They are trolls because all they do is stir the shit on here. None of them even remotely try and contribute anything worth reading and all they do try and bring everyone else down. If this place is so painful one of them should maybe start their own site where they can go and talk without having their delicate sensibilities offended by opinions or people they don't like. Oh wait, that already happened! I wonder what went wrong and why they came back? Maybe they thought that everyone would join the new site and leave Turq on his own when the reality was that all the fun and interesting posters stayed here. Maybe they lack the imagination to come up with original topics of conversation? It's easy really, all you have to do is write about something you're interested in. No interests huh? Other than whining on news groups obviously. So what to do once the new site trick failed? Maybe they decided to hang out here and make the place unreadable. Yes, that would be a constructive use of their time and show how much they have evolved spiritually. They are almost at age 3 now. Maybe they're just a bunch of dicks? In anticipation of the endless list of tedious replies about fantastic the peak is compared to here I have one thing to say; Why not stay there and let everyone who wanted to stay here enjoy themselves? Why are you dweebs so fucking small minded?
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Barry, I think the origin of this latest "rant", is that after all your lobbying, and cleverly written appeals, you are still..., only IT-#17. Who knows, maybe at the next executive committee of Internet Trolls, you can prevail upon them to move you down a few notches, with the final goal of being in the top 10. But, still, IT-#17 is not too shabby, for those who care about such things. Hang in there, guy. (-: I'll be rootin for ya! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's emotions and attachments. What the people whining about "trolls" don't seem to realize is that THEY are characterizing themselves as "troll bait" and sorta saying, "Here I am, so weak and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I worship." Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing alternative presented itself at the critical moment. It was the point at which one particularly stupid piece of troll-bait thought, "Aha! NOW I've got him. Maybe *this* is the thing I've been hoping and dreaming for all these years, and I can make a big enough stink over Barry using this analogy that I can extort Rick into throwing him off the forum." But it didn't work, and in fact backfired so badly that HE had to run away and leave the forum. Personally, I think the karma demonstrated by the whole scenario was pretty delicious. :-) Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten. The thing is, Xeno, she's telling the truth. This forum became a place for her to obsess about "getting Barry and anyone who dares to support him" years ago. She doesn't give a shit about TM any more -- the *only* thing that brings her scurrying roach-like out of the woodwork is another opportunity to try to turn people against Barry and "get" him. and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. Bullshit. Testing folks' development of consciousness is not the purpose of FFL nor the prerogative of any of its members. Bullshit. The very reason there are so many charlatans in the world of spiritual practice is that so few people DO put their claims to the test. The very *idea* that someone as reactive and as chronically angry as Jim Flanegin could be enlightened is ludicrous. All I did was point it out, and (and this is the part that pisses him off so much) so clearly and so effectively that NO ONE actually believes his claims. About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, they have not developed a way to stand their ground. Also bullshit. There's more than one way to stand your ground, including getting out of the way of the missiles designed to smash you flat. Isn't it fascinating how the people who have declared themselves to be "troll bait" and the *victims* of these horrible "trolls" they're complaining about come up with the most violent metaphors for what's being done to them. The reality is that they clicked on a message on an electronic forum and were so weak and wimpy and attached that they got all angry and hot
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Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce for the umpteenth time, Barry and his Minion, the ever loyal, ever dedicated, Salyavin! Give it up for him, won't you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's emotions and attachments. What the people whining about "trolls" don't seem to realize is that THEY are characterizing themselves as "troll bait" and sorta saying, "Here I am, so weak and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I worship." Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Judy is a troll, Willytex is a troll, Jimbo is a troll, seventhray is a troll. They are trolls because all they do is stir the shit on here. None of them even remotely try and contribute anything worth reading and all they do try and bring everyone else down. If this place is so painful one of them should maybe start their own site where they can go and talk without having their delicate sensibilities offended by opinions or people they don't like. Oh wait, that already happened! I wonder what went wrong and why they came back? Maybe they thought that everyone would join the new site and leave Turq on his own when the reality was that all the fun and interesting posters stayed here. Maybe they lack the imagination to come up with original topics of conversation? It's easy really, all you have to do is write about something you're interested in. No interests huh? Other than whining on news groups obviously. So what to do once the new site trick failed? Maybe they decided to hang out here and make the place unreadable. Yes, that would be a constructive use of their time and show how much they have evolved spiritually. They are almost at age 3 now. Maybe they're just a bunch of dicks? In anticipation of the endless list of tedious replies about fantastic the peak is compared to here I have one thing to say; Why not stay there and let everyone who wanted to stay here enjoy themselves? Why are you dweebs so fucking small minded?
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I didn't mean to take away from either of you, Barry. Both you and Xeno do an amazing job on here of maintaining the vibe. Stellar, really. A true unity of spirit and intention, that you have demonstrated unceasingly. Congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you've been doing such a good job of explaining yourself and bringing clarity to these murky topics that I haven't felt any need to add anything. But I did want you to know that I've been reading what you have been writing and appreciating it. I especially like the distinction you make below and that I have highlighted in red. Jim's weakness is that he is either too lazy to rigorously engage his intellect, or is such an mental lightweight that he *can't* get involved with a topic intellectually. I tend towards believing the latter. Your strength, however -- AS I SEE THINGS -- is that as you say you get involved intellectually in topics here, but *don't* get involved with them emotionally. If there is such a thing as an actual demonstration of enlightened behavior on this forum -- it's not being demonstrated by Jim, but by Xeno -- line on water. From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show When you try to characterise an argument as feeble, you are not trying to respond to an argument in a reasoned way, you are just taking the lazy way out, so you do not have to do the work to think of a proper response. The only person on FFL I do not respond to is Richard, and I ignore his posts. I take time to respond to you however, but often you are very curt and dismissive. Judy was often dismissive in this way. I do not think Barry is this way, he is more of a hit and run assassin, and does not stay around to argue. I think you get annoyed if people disagree with you. I too get annoyed, but I usually try to think it through. Do you think of yourself as impatient? I often get that feeling from you. You sort of breeze through things without getting deeply involved intellectually, whereas I do not get deeply involved emotionally. Each of us is superficial in some way then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Despite your protestations to the contrary, trolls all look alike, and their objectives are always the same. Same template, different day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, you certainly do not put any effort into responding to those you disagree with. That is another sort of feeble. Do you think everyone is out to hook you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You, like Barry, try to disguise your troll-bait. Unfortunately, you aren't any good at it. If you have any more questions about how the Yahoo groups interface operates, please ask. Otherwise, Xeno, I am content to be aware of your feeble intellectual masturbation, from a distance. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't see there is much distinction between a distinction and a 'technical distinction' here. Yes Rick allows trolls, although who is and is not a troll partially depends on whether you like the content or not. Share liked Richard's content, while I think he is a troll. Would be easier to scan through things if Richard was not on the site. Because Rick does not post much, and does not actively moderate the site content, what rule is he breaking? Content by others is not moderated, the guidelines specify self-moderation because Rick choose the hands-off option. Is 'darn' allowed bit not 'damn'? Seems like there is a certain flexibility. Generally I observe people want content that they disagree with to be moderated, so which one is right in a disagreement over this? You do not break a rule because another does. I am not confused. I just do not care what you think about this particular subject. Moderating may require having some personal issues with what people say. If the guidelines were followed slavishly and literally, FFL would be as boring as The Peak usually is. If I were moderating this site, I would only eliminate one poster in the current group. Suppose I was moderating this site, and I made a rule that you had prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God existed before you were allowed to use the word or even the concept and related words on this site (you could publish a scientific paper in Science or Nature, that was accepted by scientists and replicated, that would work). You could talk about spirituality, but you could not use the word, say, 'divine' and others, otherwise you would be eliminated. What would your reaction be? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not mo
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Xeno, you've been doing such a good job of explaining yourself and bringing clarity to these murky topics that I haven't felt any need to add anything. But I did want you to know that I've been reading what you have been writing and appreciating it. I especially like the distinction you make below and that I have highlighted in red. Jim's weakness is that he is either too lazy to rigorously engage his intellect, or is such an mental lightweight that he *can't* get involved with a topic intellectually. I tend towards believing the latter. Your strength, however -- AS I SEE THINGS -- is that as you say you get involved intellectually in topics here, but *don't* get involved with them emotionally. If there is such a thing as an actual demonstration of enlightened behavior on this forum -- it's not being demonstrated by Jim, but by Xeno -- line on water. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show When you try to characterise an argument as feeble, you are not trying to respond to an argument in a reasoned way, you are just taking the lazy way out, so you do not have to do the work to think of a proper response. The only person on FFL I do not respond to is Richard, and I ignore his posts. I take time to respond to you however, but often you are very curt and dismissive. Judy was often dismissive in this way. I do not think Barry is this way, he is more of a hit and run assassin, and does not stay around to argue. I think you get annoyed if people disagree with you. I too get annoyed, but I usually try to think it through. Do you think of yourself as impatient? I often get that feeling from you. You sort of breeze through things without getting deeply involved intellectually, whereas I do not get deeply involved emotionally. Each of us is superficial in some way then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Despite your protestations to the contrary, trolls all look alike, and their objectives are always the same. Same template, different day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, you certainly do not put any effort into responding to those you disagree with. That is another sort of feeble. Do you think everyone is out to hook you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You, like Barry, try to disguise your troll-bait. Unfortunately, you aren't any good at it. If you have any more questions about how the Yahoo groups interface operates, please ask. Otherwise, Xeno, I am content to be aware of your feeble intellectual masturbation, from a distance. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't see there is much distinction between a distinction and a 'technical distinction' here. Yes Rick allows trolls, although who is and is not a troll partially depends on whether you like the content or not. Share liked Richard's content, while I think he is a troll. Would be easier to scan through things if Richard was not on the site. Because Rick does not post much, and does not actively moderate the site content, what rule is he breaking? Content by others is not moderated, the guidelines specify self-moderation because Rick choose the hands-off option. Is 'darn' allowed bit not 'damn'? Seems like there is a certain flexibility. Generally I observe people want content that they disagree with to be moderated, so which one is right in a disagreement over this? You do not break a rule because another does. I am not confused. I just do not care what you think about this particular subject. Moderating may require having some personal issues with what people say. If the guidelines were followed slavishly and literally, FFL would be as boring as The Peak usually is. If I were moderating this site, I would only eliminate one poster in the current group. Suppose I was moderating this site, and I made a rule that you had prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God existed before you were allowed to use the word or even the concept and related words on this site (you could publish a scientific paper in Science or Nature, that was accepted by scientists and replicated, that would work). You could talk about spirituality, but you could not use the word, say, 'divine' and others, otherwise you would be eliminated. What would your reaction be? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. Rick enables trolls,
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te content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's emotions and attachments. What the people whining about "trolls" don't seem to realize is that THEY are characterizing themselves as "troll bait" and sorta saying, "Here I am, so weak and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I worship." Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Judy is a troll, Willytex is a troll, Jimbo is a troll, seventhray is a troll. They are trolls because all they do is stir the shit on here. None of them even remotely try and contribute anything worth reading and all they do try and bring everyone else down. If this place is so painful one of them should maybe start their own site where they can go and talk without having their delicate sensibilities offended by opinions or people they don't like. Oh wait, that already happened! I wonder what went wrong and why they came back? Maybe they thought that everyone would join the new site and leave Turq on his own when the reality was that all the fun and interesting posters stayed here. Maybe they lack the imagination to come up with original topics of conversation? It's easy really, all you have to do is write about something you're interested in. No interests huh? Other than whining on news groups obviously. So what to do once the new site trick failed? Maybe they decided to hang out here and make the place unreadable. Yes, that would be a constructive use of their time and show how much they have evolved spiritually. They are almost at age 3 now. Maybe they're just a bunch of dicks? In anticipation of the endless list of tedious replies about fantastic the peak is compared to here I have one thing to say; Why not stay there and let everyone who wanted to stay here enjoy themselves? Why are you dweebs so fucking small minded?
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From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's emotions and attachments. What the people whining about "trolls" don't seem to realize is that THEY are characterizing themselves as "troll bait" and sorta saying, "Here I am, so weak and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I worship." Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing alternative presented itself at the critical moment. It was the point at which one particularly stupid piece of troll-bait thought, "Aha! NOW I've got him. Maybe *this* is the thing I've been hoping and dreaming for all these years, and I can make a big enough stink over Barry using this analogy that I can extort Rick into throwing him off the forum." But it didn't work, and in fact backfired so badly that HE had to run away and leave the forum. Personally, I think the karma demonstrated by the whole scenario was pretty delicious. :-) Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten. The thing is, Xeno, she's telling the truth. This forum became a place for her to obsess about "getting Barry and anyone who dares to support him" years ago. She doesn't give a shit about TM any more -- the *only* thing that brings her scurrying roach-like out of the woodwork is another opportunity to try to turn people against Barry and "get" him. and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. Bullshit. Testing folks' development of consciousness is not the purpose of FFL nor the prerogative of any of its members. Bullshit. The very reason there are so many charlatans in the world of spiritual practice is that so few people DO put their claims to the test. The very *idea* that someone as reactive and as chronically angry as Jim Flanegin could be enlightened is ludicrous. All I did was point it out, and (and this is the part that pisses him off so much) so clearly and so effectively that NO ONE actually believes his claims. About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, they have not developed a way to stand their ground. Also bullshit. There's more than one way to stand your ground, including getting out of the way of the missiles designed to smash you flat. Isn't it fascinating how the people who have declared themselves to be "troll bait" and the *victims* of these horrible "trolls" they're complaining about come up with the most violent metaphors for what's being done to them. The reality is that they clicked on a message on an electronic forum and were so weak and wimpy and attached that they got all angry and hot and bothered about a *bunch of words*. Unable to admit this, in their minds this becomes "being crushed by missiles designed to smash you flat." :-) You stood your ground, Barry stood his ground. A lot of the others folded in this environment. It is not as if the weapons here are guns and knives against which invincibility tends not to be very effective. There are really sharp disagreements as to what is and is not real in spirituality. I think it all comes down to criteria for what is considered evidence as to what is real, there are fundamental disagreements about that. No. It all comes
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enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons
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lines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
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olution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
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While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing alternative presented itself at the critical moment. Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten. and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. Bullshit. Testing folks' development of consciousness is not the purpose of FFL nor the prerogative of any of its members. About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, they have not developed a way to stand their ground. Also bullshit. There's more than one way to stand your ground, including getting out of the way of the missiles designed to smash you flat. You stood your ground, Barry stood his ground. A lot of the others folded in this environment. It is not as if the weapons here are guns and knives against which invincibility tends not to be very effective. There are really sharp disagreements as to what is and is not real in spirituality. I think it all comes down to criteria for what is considered evidence as to what is real, there are fundamental disagreements about that. No. It all comes down to people treating others with respect no matter the nature or sharpness of their disagreements. Even Barry acknowledged this at one point recently. The "disagreements" story about why FFL went bad is a red herring. And Barry does not stand his ground. He states his case, such as it may be, then runs away from any criticism, only to come at the critic from left field with a load of insults and maliciously false stories. You were the lynch pin of the the group you refer to as the 'general perspective' which was typically more tolerant of religious ideas and woo, even though you were actually more critical of many of these ideas than the people who tended to gather around you. When you left, they lost their spokesperson, they were not as aggressive as you and generally less capable of fashioning an argument for response. They rode your coattails, but that is not something you can do if you want to be invincible and want to stand up for a point. I should think you could come up with your own story rather than recycling this feeble tale of Barry's. Like most of the others he tells, this one does not conform to reality. It was designed to insult and intimidate TM supporters. They spoke out in their own way with their own thoughts just as strongly as I did, sometimes more strongly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." There is no unambiguous solution to trolling on FFL, that is correct. This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. That is correct. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a
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atulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
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Was it something I said? Just shoot me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. That is correct. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, they have not developed a way to stand their ground. You stood your ground, Barry stood his ground. A lot of the others folded in this environment. It is not as if the weapons here are guns and knives against which invincibility tends not to be very effective. There are really sharp disagreements as to what is and is not real in spirituality. I think it all comes down to criteria for what is considered evidence as to what is real, there are fundamental disagreements about that. You were the lynch pin of the the group you refer to as the 'general perspective' which was typically more tolerant of religious ideas and woo, even though you were actually more critical of many of these ideas than the people who tended to gather around you. When you left, they lost their spokesperson, they were not as aggressive as you and generally less capable of fashioning an argument for response. They rode your coattails, but that is not something you can do if you want to be invincible and want to stand up for a point. Another thing that occurs to me is there is a religion non-religion divide here which breaks down into considerations of whether spirituality is theistic or non-theistic. For example my spiritual inclinations have always been non-theistic. Historically on this planet, divisions between theists and the division between theism and atheism have resulted in some of the worst cases of human behaviour on the planet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administra
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ulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. Rick enables trolls, and that is definitely against the guidelines here. I hope that clears things up. I understand your confusion, as you have yet to run or moderate a forum, but perhaps you could understand the issue better next time, before posting? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick h
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." There is no unambiguous solution to trolling on FFL, that is correct. This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. That is correct. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, they have not developed a way to stand their ground. You stood your ground, Barry stood his ground. A lot of the others folded in this environment. It is not as if the weapons here are guns and knives against which invincibility tends not to be very effective. There are really sharp disagreements as to what is and is not real in spirituality. I think it all comes down to criteria for what is considered evidence as to what is real, there are fundamental disagreements about that. You were the lynch pin of the the group you refer to as the 'general perspective' which was typically more tolerant of religious ideas and woo, even though you were actually more critical of many of these ideas than the people who tended to gather around you. When you left, they lost their spokesperson, they were not as aggressive as you and generally less capable of fashioning an argument for response. They rode your coattails, but that is not something you can do if you want to be invincible and want to stand up for a point. Another thing that occurs to me is there is a religion non-religion divide here which breaks down into considerations of whether spirituality is theistic or non-theistic. For example my spiritual inclinations have always been non-theistic. Historically on this planet, divisions between theists and the division between theism and atheism have resulted in some of the worst cases of human behaviour on the planet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You h
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ob description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. Rick enables trolls, and that is definitely against the guidelines here. I hope that clears things up. I understand your confusion, as you have yet to run or moderate a forum, but perhaps you could understand the issue better next time, before posting? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guideline
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No, no, I meant names of the people supposedly concerned that they were kicked off FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These are the currently listed mods: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ffl_mods.jpg http://alex.natel.net/misc/ffl_mods.jpg I don't know what the deal is with the first two. I have vague memories of someone else being a moderator anonymously a long time ago and me looking up his IP address and finding it to be cable or DSL out on the west coast. From my perspective, it's been just me and Rick for a long time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Uh-huh. Let's see some names. (Or *you* moderating?? Have you lost it completely now, or what?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I ran in to Rick at church this morning. Some here recently were anxiously expressing their concern they were kicked off FFL from positing. Well it wasn't Rick or me moderating or other moderators neither. It might have been Yahoo weighing some of the material as it came through. Certainly there has been a lot of complaint recently. -JaiGuruYou
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e it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. Rick enables trolls, and that is definitely against the guidelines here. I hope that clears things up. I understand your confusion, as you have yet to run or moderate a forum, but perhaps you could understand the issue better next time, before posting? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The
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These are the currently listed mods: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ffl_mods.jpg http://alex.natel.net/misc/ffl_mods.jpg I don't know what the deal is with the first two. I have vague memories of someone else being a moderator anonymously a long time ago and me looking up his IP address and finding it to be cable or DSL out on the west coast. From my perspective, it's been just me and Rick for a long time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Uh-huh. Let's see some names. (Or *you* moderating?? Have you lost it completely now, or what?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I ran in to Rick at church this morning. Some here recently were anxiously expressing their concern they were kicked off FFL from positing. Well it wasn't Rick or me moderating or other moderators neither. It might have been Yahoo weighing some of the material as it came through. Certainly there has been a lot of complaint recently. -JaiGuruYou
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Uh-huh. Let's see some names. (Or *you* moderating?? Have you lost it completely now, or what?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I ran in to Rick at church this morning. Some here recently were anxiously expressing their concern they were kicked off FFL from positing. Well it wasn't Rick or me moderating or other moderators neither. It might have been Yahoo weighing some of the material as it came through. Certainly there has been a lot of complaint recently. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
I ran in to Rick at church this morning. Some here recently were anxiously expressing their concern they were kicked off FFL from positing. Well it wasn't Rick or me moderating or other moderators neither. It might have been Yahoo weighing some of the material as it came through. Certainly there has been a lot of complaint recently. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
So, it's all about Richard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. So, why can't I post idiotic prattle? It's not fair. LoL! Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. Now this is ironic - I've probably been treated as badly as anyone subscribing to this group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
We should set the scene: a smoke-filled and dark cafe full of guys drinking beer and watching sports on TV, speaking different languages and talking at the same time. A skin-head lone expat wearing a black T-shirt sitting at a table in back, peering into his laptop computer and then jumping up and shouting "Yes!" after he hits the Send button. Twin Peaks https://youtu.be/Vo8jvPCyJQo https://youtu.be/Vo8jvPCyJQo Twin Peaks https://youtu.be/Vo8jvPCyJQo Cooper's dream scene David Bowie View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/Vo8jvPCyJQo Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Interpol Special Agent Smith: “Have you considered, Mr. Wright, withdrawing from this group, where dissension and disagreement appear to be the main content?” Barry Wright: “Agent Smith, let me be clear. This is an art form I helped create. I am IT #17, that is, Internet Troll #17, and it is a badge I carry proudly. Hooyah!” ISAS: “Well, then, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise if your “contributions” spark a certain degree of push back.” BW: “Damn Straight, they do. I hit 'em with my right, I hit with my left. You know I was a black belt back in my days with that Rama Guy. Did I ever tell you about my time with Zen Master Rama” ISAS: “Whoa, whoa, hold on little sheba. Let's try to stay on point here.” BW: “Darn! Okay.” ISAS: “Having taken a look at what you call your “content” it appears that you thrive on keeping the level of discord at a pretty high level. I'm going to mark this case closed. If you have any other complaints, we'll take a look at them.” BW: Okay, Special Agent. Listen, you can always reach me at any one of the sidewalk cafes that dot the canal from here in Leiden. If I'm not in the first one you check, just go down the line. I'll try to have an autographed copy of my novel, “Road Trip” I can offer it to you for only 20 euros. Great talkin' with ya, ISAS.
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Interpol Special Agent Smith: “Have you considered, Mr. Wright, withdrawing from this group, where dissension and disagreement appear to be the main content?” Barry Wright: “Agent Smith, let me be clear. This is an art form I helped create. I am IT #17, that is, Internet Troll #17, and it is a badge I carry proudly. Hooyah!” ISAS: “Well, then, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise if your “contributions” spark a certain degree of push back.” BW: “Damn Straight, they do. I hit 'em with my right, I hit with my left. You know I was a black belt back in my days with that Rama Guy. Did I ever tell you about my time with Zen Master Rama” ISAS: “Whoa, whoa, hold on little sheba. Let's try to stay on point here.” BW: “Darn! Okay.” ISAS: “Having taken a look at what you call your “content” it appears that you thrive on keeping the level of discord at a pretty high level. I'm going to mark this case closed. If you have any other complaints, we'll take a look at them.” BW: Okay, Special Agent. Listen, you can always reach me at any one of the sidewalk cafes that dot the canal from here in Leiden. If I'm not in the first one you check, just go down the line. I'll try to have an autographed copy of my novel, “Road Trip” I can offer it to you for only 20 euros. Great talkin' with ya, ISAS.
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Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. Rick enables trolls, and that is definitely against the guidelines here. I hope that clears things up. I understand your confusion, as you have yet to run or moderate a forum, but perhaps you could understand the issue better next time, before posting? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here becau
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Re: "The above rant was after my weekly look at a post by one of the non-contributors here." Trying to save face? Feeling emotional still? Every post is a contribution of some sort. Have you not yet figured out that on a public forum structured such as this, one cannot say the words "Go away", as if one is a genie in a bottle or more aptly, behaving like a small and petulant child, and expect it to come true. Are you familiar with the story of Peter Pan? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll. The above rant was after my weekly look at a post by one of the non-contributors here. What they get out of it, I have no idea. How odd that they approve of people doing things here that they wouldn't be allowed to do there! I shall return to ignoring them as it's all too tedious and childish for words.
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On 06/06/2015 08:41 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. Yeah, try the Jyotish Yahoo groups where Indians jyotishis passionately argue with each other. It's like a street brawl in Mumbai. Comparatively FFL is very tame. OTOH fact over the last couple of years I've been watching the Internet degenerate and FFL is no exception. Most likely what astrology is *really* about is energy storms we have no control over that influence minds of beings on earth. The only escape from those is enlightenment otherwise folks don't even realize what is happening to them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex! , before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and co! oking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away
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It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yah
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It's not complicated - just stop feeding it and start your own thread. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I thought you left? Non sequitur. Left to start a group with moderation? Non sequitur. Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Non sequitur. Why the endless whining? Non sequitur. Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Non sequitur. Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? Non sequitur. You are the irritating troll, do you understand? Non sequitur. You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Non sequitur. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. This very impressive! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll. The above rant was after my weekly look at a post by one of the non-contributors here. What they get out of it, I have no idea. How odd that they approve of people doing things here that they wouldn't be allowed to do there! I shall return to ignoring them as it's all too tedious and childish for words.
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Just for the record, we should note that it was Barry that followed me from Google Groups over to Yahoo Groups - I've been posting on FFL for over a decade. It should also be pointed out that it was Barry who copied and pasted FFL messages over to A.M.T. - along with a challenge to debate him on FFL. So, it sounds like Barry is the "state-sponsored" terrorist, not Jim. I'm sure this won't be lost on Judy. LoL! When you dig down to the facts, it's not really all that complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll.
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/There is probably a reason Barry uses the alias "Uncle Tantra" and "TurquoiseB" when he posts his satires on the internet. //It kind of makes him seem like a deviate to say the least. I thought it was amusing at first until he accused me of "fucking prarie dogs" just because he didn't like something I said about Fred Lenz. Go figure./ /Why don't you ask Barry why he enjoys such provokations and why he gets all offended and calls in the Dutch Police when someone posts a funny reply to his deviant sexual satires? / Quoting "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" : I do not think anyone should molest children. I do not think that children should be molested. It is a problem in this world and one that needs to be discussed. You just do not seem to grasp the difference between fiction and non-fiction in regard to the relationship of thoughts and speech to the world, and of thoughts and speech to action or non-action. I think morality is a useless concept because usually it is based on a superstitious world-view, but that ethics is something we need to formulate to maximise happiness and well-being, though I think of the word in a different sense than typical, not related to the concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' which vary with geography and cultural groups, but as something that might have a stronger more solid basis, scientific even, though that might be a stretch. As the experience of being takes over, the inner core of a person rots away because it is not real and is replaced with a 'core' that is not localised, not inner, not outer. So yes, I have rotted to the core. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you appear to be giving child molestation a pass, as simply subject to our conditioning. I find this line of thinking inhumane, and morally bankrupt. No need to discuss this further with you, and I recommend that you see a therapist. Something in your core has apparently rotted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty of that very thing. Barry lives with what seems to be a close knit group; it seems unlikely to me he would be what you think. I usually suspect the most vocal people first, those who make a show of how horrible something is. But in reality we do not have any evidence whatever. Just going by what a person says is not reliable. Have you ever been to the Baby in the Meat Grinder Hamburger Palace? I love horror films. I seldom get my buttons pushed watching horror movies, though it has happened a few times in the past 7 decades. I find romantic movies harder to watch, they push my buttons more. Whatever, but those who react most strongly always seem to me to not be thinking clearly. If something is really that bad in 'real life', you don't run away, you stay and try to do something about it if that is possible. FFL is not exactly real life. Ideas are discussed here, it is a platform for discussion, even though it often devolves into personal rivalries, which I believe is the result of conditioning. If you really want to find out anything directly, you would have to go to the Netherlands. It is much easier to say something. And in the United States, by law, a person is presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of something. Statistically, you could b
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/So, Barry called in the Interpol because he thought he saw a snake. Go figure./ /You can pretty much tell that Barry confused the satire from the fact when he called in the police and reported Raunchy and Ann for posting a funny. You forgot to mention this again, as if you're trying to avoid the facts. I can see why Judy thinks you might be passive-aggressive. / Quoting "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" : For all the children that were harmed in the past and are dead and gone, they are dead and gone. They cannot be helped. There are things we can do in the present. But we have to have a realistic appreciation of the world to be effective in 'correcting' social ills; we have to distinguish between fact and fantasy. Barry's or'ginal phrase that started all this last year was a fantasy, and exaggerated portrayal. Dark perhaps, but a fantasy, and some here saw a snake in the grass instead of a rope because they could not tell the difference. And this is why the world is in such a mess today. Misperception. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The question was simple Xeno. "Do you Xeno agree or not agree that distorting, perverting, slandering a man who you have disagreements with as someone who had performed sexually deviant acts on children a proper way of discourse on FFL"? "Granted the man may after have been a failed Guru, a mere human, but someone who had a decisive influence on millions" Clue: Quoting, stats, trivia, probabilities, dictionary definitions, Wikipedia articles and Supreme Court rulings is not an answer. Philosophizing about human mind, conditioning and subjective experiences such as Enlightenment is also not an answers. These are *cop-outs* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you appear to be giving child molestation a pass, as simply subject to our conditioning. I find this line of thinking inhumane, and morally bankrupt. No need to discuss this further with you, and I recommend that you see a therapist. Something in your core has apparently rotted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty of that very thing. Barry lives with what seems to be a close knit group; it seems unlikely to me he would be what you think. I usually suspect the most vocal people first, those who make a show of how horrible something is. But in reality we do not have any evidence whatever. Just going by what a person says is not reliable. Have you ever been to the Baby in the Meat Grinder Hamburger Palace? I love horror films. I seldom get my buttons pushed watching horror movies, though it has happened a few times in the past 7 decades. I find romantic movies harder to watch, they push my buttons more. Whatever, but those who react most strongly always seem to me to not be thinking clearly. If something is really that bad in 'real life', you don't run away, you stay and try to do something about it if that is possible. FFL is not exactly real life. Ideas are discussed here, it is a platform for discussion, even though it often devolves into personal rivalries, which I believe is the result of conditioning. If you really want to find out anything directly, you would have to go to the Netherlands. It is much easier to say something. And in the United States, by law, a pers
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Believe me, Alex, after seeing the torpor demonstrated by the moderators here, I have long ago adjusted to the environment. If Rick wants to continue to violate the guidelines, that is on him. Not my problem. I am not here to clean up his mess, nor to take the rap for his laziness and/or ineptitude. I just like to call a spade a spade. After all, isn't that what we do here on FFL, "the free speech zone"? FFL really makes him look bad, too, especially with his new visibility due to his BATGAP interviews. The thing I find puzzling about Rick, is that he has closed down the comments on his BATGAP site, due to trolls, but doesn't have the integrity to deal with the problem here. Not very consistent, almost seems blatantly self-serving. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If it bothers you that much, feel free to bring the violations to Yahoo's attention. Personally, I think FFL has served its original purpose, and it's time to shut it down. But, Rick is content to leave it as it is, taking a peek at it once in a while. A few years ago, he offered to transfer ownership of the group to me, and I turned him down. Considering that Rick has practically abandoned FFL, perhaps it's a good time for someone to step up and take over the reins. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_a
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Ak...Ak ... You appear here on FFL giving daily demonstrations of troll manerisms. Please spare us and stop wasting out time. Make some original contribution of an idea that we can think about for awhile. If just more ... f_ck you, f_ck then go back to the void from which you came.
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If it bothers you that much, feel free to bring the violations to Yahoo's attention. Personally, I think FFL has served its original purpose, and it's time to shut it down. But, Rick is content to leave it as it is, taking a peek at it once in a while. A few years ago, he offered to transfer ownership of the group to me, and I turned him down. Considering that Rick has practically abandoned FFL, perhaps it's a good time for someone to step up and take over the reins. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
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Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
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I am not sure I understand the question you are asking. The items that appear in quotes below seem to be the first time those phrases have appeared on FFL so I have not encountered them before and they are not quotes of something I overlooked. And note I did reply to Jim just before I replied to this. My car was having problems and I was away most of the day. Car trouble is of course a situation requiring the deepest most profound introspection about moral turpitude. Discourse takes many forms on the Internet from polite to impolite. One responds to what one is faced with, with what one has to face it with. Slander applies only to living persons by the way: oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Sometimes here we use parody, irony, satire. For example 'satire is a literary device that tries to arouse the reader's disapproval of an object, a vice, an abuse, a faulty belief, a person, by holding it/him/her up to ridicule by the use of euphemism, irony, exaggeration, and understatement to show, with a greater or lesser degree of levity, the follies of mankind and the paradoxes and idiocy that they can lead to.' Satire can be light hearted, or deadly and dark. You have to be aware of these devices. I am not always quick on the uptake in spotting them, so sometimes we get fooled, especially if we are over serious about our own position in a matter. For all the children that were harmed in the past and are dead and gone, they are dead and gone. They cannot be helped. There are things we can do in the present. But we have to have a realistic appreciation of the world to be effective in 'correcting' social ills; we have to distinguish between fact and fantasy. Barry's or'ginal phrase that started all this last year was a fantasy, and exaggerated portrayal. Dark perhaps, but a fantasy, and some here saw a snake in the grass instead of a rope because they could not tell the difference. And this is why the world is in such a mess today. Misperception. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The question was simple Xeno. "Do you Xeno agree or not agree that distorting, perverting, slandering a man who you have disagreements with as someone who had performed sexually deviant acts on children a proper way of discourse on FFL"? "Granted the man may after have been a failed Guru, a mere human, but someone who had a decisive influence on millions" Clue: Quoting, stats, trivia, probabilities, dictionary definitions, Wikipedia articles and Supreme Court rulings is not an answer. Philosophizing about human mind, conditioning and subjective experiences such as Enlightenment is also not an answers. These are *cop-outs* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you appear to be giving child molestation a pass, as simply subject to our conditioning. I find this line of thinking inhumane, and morally bankrupt. No need to discuss this further with you, and I recommend that you see a therapist. Something in your core has apparently rotted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty
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I do not think anyone should molest children. I do not think that children should be molested. It is a problem in this world and one that needs to be discussed. You just do not seem to grasp the difference between fiction and non-fiction in regard to the relationship of thoughts and speech to the world, and of thoughts and speech to action or non-action. I think morality is a useless concept because usually it is based on a superstitious world-view, but that ethics is something we need to formulate to maximise happiness and well-being, though I think of the word in a different sense than typical, not related to the concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' which vary with geography and cultural groups, but as something that might have a stronger more solid basis, scientific even, though that might be a stretch. As the experience of being takes over, the inner core of a person rots away because it is not real and is replaced with a 'core' that is not localised, not inner, not outer. So yes, I have rotted to the core. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you appear to be giving child molestation a pass, as simply subject to our conditioning. I find this line of thinking inhumane, and morally bankrupt. No need to discuss this further with you, and I recommend that you see a therapist. Something in your core has apparently rotted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty of that very thing. Barry lives with what seems to be a close knit group; it seems unlikely to me he would be what you think. I usually suspect the most vocal people first, those who make a show of how horrible something is. But in reality we do not have any evidence whatever. Just going by what a person says is not reliable. Have you ever been to the Baby in the Meat Grinder Hamburger Palace? I love horror films. I seldom get my buttons pushed watching horror movies, though it has happened a few times in the past 7 decades. I find romantic movies harder to watch, they push my buttons more. Whatever, but those who react most strongly always seem to me to not be thinking clearly. If something is really that bad in 'real life', you don't run away, you stay and try to do something about it if that is possible. FFL is not exactly real life. Ideas are discussed here, it is a platform for discussion, even though it often devolves into personal rivalries, which I believe is the result of conditioning. If you really want to find out anything directly, you would have to go to the Netherlands. It is much easier to say something. And in the United States, by law, a person is presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of something. Statistically, you could be just as guilty of what you spoke about Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything, but I am *very curious* about how you know the truth of what you just said, about Barry, or anyo
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The question was simple Xeno. "Do you Xeno agree or not agree that distorting, perverting, slandering a man who you have disagreements with as someone who had performed sexually deviant acts on children a proper way of discourse on FFL"? "Granted the man may after have been a failed Guru, a mere human, but someone who had a decisive influence on millions" Clue: Quoting, stats, trivia, probabilities, dictionary definitions, Wikipedia articles and Supreme Court rulings is not an answer. Philosophizing about human mind, conditioning and subjective experiences such as Enlightenment is also not an answers. These are *cop-outs* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you appear to be giving child molestation a pass, as simply subject to our conditioning. I find this line of thinking inhumane, and morally bankrupt. No need to discuss this further with you, and I recommend that you see a therapist. Something in your core has apparently rotted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty of that very thing. Barry lives with what seems to be a close knit group; it seems unlikely to me he would be what you think. I usually suspect the most vocal people first, those who make a show of how horrible something is. But in reality we do not have any evidence whatever. Just going by what a person says is not reliable. Have you ever been to the Baby in the Meat Grinder Hamburger Palace? I love horror films. I seldom get my buttons pushed watching horror movies, though it has happened a few times in the past 7 decades. I find romantic movies harder to watch, they push my buttons more. Whatever, but those who react most strongly always seem to me to not be thinking clearly. If something is really that bad in 'real life', you don't run away, you stay and try to do something about it if that is possible. FFL is not exactly real life. Ideas are discussed here, it is a platform for discussion, even though it often devolves into personal rivalries, which I believe is the result of conditioning. If you really want to find out anything directly, you would have to go to the Netherlands. It is much easier to say something. And in the United States, by law, a person is presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of something. Statistically, you could be just as guilty of what you spoke about Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything, but I am *very curious* about how you know the truth of what you just said, about Barry, or anyone else here? Wouldn't the simplest way to make such an association (of child molestation), be based on what someone said? Especially if no one else has even come close to making such a suggestion? How else would you determine the truth? This has nothing to do with conditioning. It has to do with understanding better how your mind works, because you aren't sounding at all logical ri
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Yes that's correct Steve. I'm trying to get a feel of Sal's enlightened view and here's what I have. Sal's view of FFL is of his unique Brit level of enlightenedness where people like Barry who brand people they disagree with as child molestors and condemn women with derogatory slurs based on their on so-called sexual promiscuity are elevated. And Sal feels that the Peakers are invading FFL corrupting his *wisdom* and *self-awareness* by their mean-girliness when they question this dishonesty, deviant, obnoxious behavior and express their inherent freedom to post anywhere. Sal's pettiness and juvenile behavior where he decides who can post where and when is an enlightened pettiness, whereas yours and Peaker Mongol's pettiness is just an ordinary, run of the mill pettiness. You - Steve and the common man of FFL hasn't been able to evolve to Sal's level whereas you instead of reading newspaper and listening to Radio offline can't resist his pasting of articles on LHC and Dinosuars. So there FWIW. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you hear it everyone? Salyavin is not going to read the posts of people he doesn't like. He's given us numerous chances. He's said, if we change our ways, he will consider reading our posts, but we have failed. So, Salyavin has decided he can no longer abide the opinions, or "content' of those he doesn't like. Let me know if a support network is in order to deal with this strong and decisive action on his part. There may be fallout among those of a fragile nature. Heaven help us! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip The above rant was after my weekly look at a post by one of the non-contributors here. What they get out of it, I have no idea. How odd that they approve of people doing things here that they wouldn't be allowed to do there! I shall return to ignoring them as it's all too tedious and childish for words.
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Oh wow, I'll be damned ! So this theory being propounded by Barry, Sal, Xeno on how FFL is being overrun by Jim Genghis Khan and his hordes of barbarian Peakers is not true? And that this is all paranoia, delusion and a hallucination? Wow..wow, I need time to digest that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually, if you look into the real story, you'll find that what follows is one of Barry's many elaborate fantasies. In fact, the only person from The Peak who can be said to "come over to" FFL is Jim, and he has done so only very rarely (usually when some FFL thug says something unpleasant about The Peak) until quite recently. Doug and Steve have been posting to both groups all along. Richard posts almost exclusively to FFL. Xeno is an FFL stalwart who posts occasionally to The Peak. I'm not a Peak member at all (it's not clear what sort of "payroll" Barry's thinking of; I haven't communicated with any of the Peak folks). So who else did Barry have in mind? Once the delusion of "constant" invasion of FFL by disruptive Peakers is busted, the rest of Barry's fantasy collapses as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll.
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In any case, Michael, you are welcome at The Peak. We all have differing opinions over there, but discussions are more reserved in nature, and it cuts both ways - there is not the same level of controversy, which can be engaging on FFL, though discussions are also allowed to proceed further than they typically do here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : nabby and I were never pleasant to one another - I really didn't know of his existence till he began to revile me for having said some (according to him and Dougy) vile things about marshy, which I thought was actually expressing truth but they disagreed and Nabby reviled and that was the way of it. Of course I must admit I also made quite a bit of fun of Benjy Creme so that didn't help matters any. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show Interestingly, Nabby hasn't gotten much in the way of agreement concerning crop circles or Creme. Yet nobody has been booted off The Peak for expressing their disagreement. How can this be? It almost seems as though the only real difference between FFL and The Peak is that the members of the latter are able to disagree with each other pleasantly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. I thought about it a few times, but I know if I read any of Nabby's crop circle or Benjy Creme stuff, my response would get me booted off right fast, so I don't bother.
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Xeno, you appear to be giving child molestation a pass, as simply subject to our conditioning. I find this line of thinking inhumane, and morally bankrupt. No need to discuss this further with you, and I recommend that you see a therapist. Something in your core has apparently rotted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty of that very thing. Barry lives with what seems to be a close knit group; it seems unlikely to me he would be what you think. I usually suspect the most vocal people first, those who make a show of how horrible something is. But in reality we do not have any evidence whatever. Just going by what a person says is not reliable. Have you ever been to the Baby in the Meat Grinder Hamburger Palace? I love horror films. I seldom get my buttons pushed watching horror movies, though it has happened a few times in the past 7 decades. I find romantic movies harder to watch, they push my buttons more. Whatever, but those who react most strongly always seem to me to not be thinking clearly. If something is really that bad in 'real life', you don't run away, you stay and try to do something about it if that is possible. FFL is not exactly real life. Ideas are discussed here, it is a platform for discussion, even though it often devolves into personal rivalries, which I believe is the result of conditioning. If you really want to find out anything directly, you would have to go to the Netherlands. It is much easier to say something. And in the United States, by law, a person is presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of something. Statistically, you could be just as guilty of what you spoke about Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything, but I am *very curious* about how you know the truth of what you just said, about Barry, or anyone else here? Wouldn't the simplest way to make such an association (of child molestation), be based on what someone said? Especially if no one else has even come close to making such a suggestion? How else would you determine the truth? This has nothing to do with conditioning. It has to do with understanding better how your mind works, because you aren't sounding at all logical right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Somebody Cares is a gift shop in Fairfield Iowa. I don't live there any more. There are pressing issues on FFL? You just did not do what you said, that's all. That is not an issue with me, but to write about something here, an attempt at subject matter gives focus, until the conversation drifts off on another tangent. By the way, violence against children in the world is fairly commonplace, but here no one I am aware of is a child molester, so its mention is not really a matter of any concern unless a person is accused of it, and then it is a concern to that person perhaps as it was to Barry. Where violence is actually
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Did you hear it everyone? Salyavin is not going to read the posts of people he doesn't like. He's given us numerous chances. He's said, if we change our ways, he will consider reading our posts, but we have failed. So, Salyavin has decided he can no longer abide the opinions, or "content' of those he doesn't like. Let me know if a support network is in order to deal with this strong and decisive action on his part. There may be fallout among those of a fragile nature. Heaven help us! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip The above rant was after my weekly look at a post by one of the non-contributors here. What they get out of it, I have no idea. How odd that they approve of people doing things here that they wouldn't be allowed to do there! I shall return to ignoring them as it's all too tedious and childish for words.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Yeah, but the Supreme Court of the U.S. seems to allow a certain level of apparent threat in their guidelines about free speech on-line, and those would override Yahoo Guidelines, at least in the United States. By the way, only people are offended. Guidelines don't do anything. Laws do something, because they can be enforced. Guidelines are suggestions, such as 'try not to vomit during Holy Communion'. Stuff like that, but due to circumstances, there are exceptions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Turqb, Certainly a firmer hand of moderation intervening with your original slur should have circumvented this long thread. Calm moderation according to the Yahoo-groups guidelines need only ask that perps remove their posts from the group and if that is obstructed by the perps then just remove their posts and suspend the posting privilege of members who are offending the Yahoo-groups guidelines. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are really quite simple and elevated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the "proper" way to deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's home town to report him as a child molestor? I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be prison. These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson... From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Of course I actually do not know. Estimates range from 1% to 5% of the population. There is a difference between thought and action except when identification is so strong that thought and desire is the only possible reality overriding all alternatives. That it is possible to imagine things, invent things in the mind that are not real but which are disturbing to other people. For example, writers like Stephen King, and makers of horror movies, for example, can dream up all sorts of gruesome things that they would never imagine doing in their private life at home. Take for example the motion picture 'Let the Right One In', a Swedish production. It is a peculiar romance, a love story, set amid the background of vampirism. It is a strange, dark, but wonderfully moving film, and yet I suspect many people would be totally revolted by it, or deeply upset. People's thoughts and conditioning result in many things in this film appearing as somehow real. Truth is never based on what someone said. It is the background by which one might determine how what someone says conforms to what happens in the universe. It is the 'sense' from which logic is born, and the 'sense' that allows us to see difference between thoughts, actions, experiences. There are linear modes of appreciation (thought) and non-linear modes (intuition). Neither is absolutely reliable in determining the states of things, but they are a guide. There were at last post count 23 posters (minus Fairfield Life and Barry posting two different ways). Thus based on statistics there is about 1/4 to one child molester on this forum. We sometimes find the people who object to something strenuously themselves are guilty of that very thing. Barry lives with what seems to be a close knit group; it seems unlikely to me he would be what you think. I usually suspect the most vocal people first, those who make a show of how horrible something is. But in reality we do not have any evidence whatever. Just going by what a person says is not reliable. Have you ever been to the Baby in the Meat Grinder Hamburger Palace? I love horror films. I seldom get my buttons pushed watching horror movies, though it has happened a few times in the past 7 decades. I find romantic movies harder to watch, they push my buttons more. Whatever, but those who react most strongly always seem to me to not be thinking clearly. If something is really that bad in 'real life', you don't run away, you stay and try to do something about it if that is possible. FFL is not exactly real life. Ideas are discussed here, it is a platform for discussion, even though it often devolves into personal rivalries, which I believe is the result of conditioning. If you really want to find out anything directly, you would have to go to the Netherlands. It is much easier to say something. And in the United States, by law, a person is presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of something. Statistically, you could be just as guilty of what you spoke about Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything, but I am *very curious* about how you know the truth of what you just said, about Barry, or anyone else here? Wouldn't the simplest way to make such an association (of child molestation), be based on what someone said? Especially if no one else has even come close to making such a suggestion? How else would you determine the truth? This has nothing to do with conditioning. It has to do with understanding better how your mind works, because you aren't sounding at all logical right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Somebody Cares is a gift shop in Fairfield Iowa. I don't live there any more. There are pressing issues on FFL? You just did not do what you said, that's all. That is not an issue with me, but to write about something here, an attempt at subject matter gives focus, until the conversation drifts off on another tangent. By the way, violence against children in the world is fairly commonplace, but here no one I am aware of is a child molester, so its mention is not really a matter of any concern unless a person is accused of it, and then it is a concern to that person perhaps as it was to Barry. Where violence is actually directed at children is the concern. Why you got off on that tangent is beyond me. Maybe you have or had a particular button that got pressed. It happens. Everybody has buttons. Conditioning lasts all life long. Enlightenment does not get rid of conditioning automatically, it does rid the mind of certain patterns of thought and react
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll. The above rant was after my weekly look at a post by one of the non-contributors here. What they get out of it, I have no idea. How odd that they approve of people doing things here that they wouldn't be allowed to do there! I shall return to ignoring them as it's all too tedious and childish for words.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
nabby and I were never pleasant to one another - I really didn't know of his
existence till he began to revile me for having said some (according to him and
Dougy) vile things about marshy, which I thought was actually expressing truth
but they disagreed and Nabby reviled and that was the way of it. Of course I
must admit I also made quite a bit of fun of Benjy Creme so that didn't help
matters any.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Interestingly, Nabby hasn't gotten much in the way of agreement concerning
crop circles or Creme. Yet nobody has been booted off The Peak for expressing
their disagreement.
How can this be?
It almost seems as though the only real difference between FFL and The Peak is
that the members of the latter are able to disagree with each other pleasantly.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak.
I thought about it a few times, but I know if I read any of Nabby's crop circle
or Benjy Creme stuff, my response would get me booted off right fast, so I
don't bother.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Interestingly, Nabby hasn't gotten much in the way of agreement concerning crop circles or Creme. Yet nobody has been booted off The Peak for expressing their disagreement. How can this be? It almost seems as though the only real difference between FFL and The Peak is that the members of the latter are able to disagree with each other pleasantly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. I thought about it a few times, but I know if I read any of Nabby's crop circle or Benjy Creme stuff, my response would get me booted off right fast, so I don't bother.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
ha! I have taken tons of it - I used to guzzle it, no blue skin and no ill
effects
From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When
Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle
subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other
content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be
much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the
moronic posting limit.
WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular
basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy
making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time
(wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than
I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his
silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander
plays as moderator.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO
moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep
questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have
adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything
per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this
point.
I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there
if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of
denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some
sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you
understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away.
Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go
away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go
away.
You are the trolls. Go away.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Itis true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur inviolation of the
Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have beenmoderated simply then by the group
owner.
Moderationis simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a
postthemselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's
membershipposting privilege.
Either-or. Ask the person for someself-restraint and if they don't come right
through then clip theirmembership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are
quitereasonable. -JaiGuruYou!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it
doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you
personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think
you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing
Barry of anything...
Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of
anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of
automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical
weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted
by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest
thing for him to do.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Actually, if you look into the real story, you'll find that what follows is one of Barry's many elaborate fantasies. In fact, the only person from The Peak who can be said to "come over to" FFL is Jim, and he has done so only very rarely (usually when some FFL thug says something unpleasant about The Peak) until quite recently. Doug and Steve have been posting to both groups all along. Richard posts almost exclusively to FFL. Xeno is an FFL stalwart who posts occasionally to The Peak. I'm not a Peak member at all (it's not clear what sort of "payroll" Barry's thinking of; I haven't communicated with any of the Peak folks). So who else did Barry have in mind? Once the delusion of "constant" invasion of FFL by disruptive Peakers is busted, the rest of Barry's fantasy collapses as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. Thank you for the graceful reply, and (to agree with Michael) your equally graceful performance of your duties as Moderator here. I think you've been pretty much the Best Net Moderator I've Ever Encountered. Just to present a contrary view to one that is commonly allowed to proliferate here -- again, thanks to your lax moderation -- if "Buck" *were* to suddenly be named Moderator of Fairfield Life, I feel safe in predicting that its membership would fall to 1 within a week. Then he'd finally be free to...uh...self-moderate. Why does that sound kinda dirty and perverted?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak.
I thought about it a few times, but I know if I read any of Nabby's crop circle
or Benjy Creme stuff, my response would get me booted off right fast, so I
don't bother.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO
moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep
questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have
adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything
per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this
point.
I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there
if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of
denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some
sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you
understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away.
Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go
away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go
away.
You are the trolls. Go away.
If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on
The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do
their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt
ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of
people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this
forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on
The_Leak every time they do so.
A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people
like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and
PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the
Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me.
NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I
know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is
Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*.
Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post
over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy
making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time
(wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than
I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his
silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander
plays as moderator.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO
moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep
questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have
adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything
per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this
point.
I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there
if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of
denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some
sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you
understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away.
Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go
away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go
away.
You are the trolls. Go away.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Itis true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur inviolation of the
Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have beenmoderated simply then by the group
owner.
Moderationis simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a
postthemselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's
membershipposting privilege.
Either-or. Ask the person for someself-restraint and if they don't come right
through then clip theirmembership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are
quitereasonable. -JaiGuruYou!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it
doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you
personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think
you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing
Barry of anything...
Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of
anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of
automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical
weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted
by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest
thing for him to do.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
This is funny. The control freak trotting out his usual demands, as though anyone will pay attention. Dude, you don't realize that you are describing to a "t", your own silly behavior. But, it is amusing. This blind spot of yours. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Sounds pretty proprietary. I'd get that looked at if I were you...:-) I don't usually read your posts. Why all the attention? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Dear Turqb, Certainly a firmer hand of moderation intervening with your original slur should have circumvented this long thread. Calm moderation according to the Yahoo-groups guidelines need only ask that perps remove their posts from the group and if that is obstructed by the perps then just remove their posts and suspend the posting privilege of members who are offending the Yahoo-groups guidelines. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are really quite simple and elevated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the "proper" way to deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's home town to report him as a child molestor? I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be prison. These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson... From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
I'm sorry but the image this instantly called up, was you wearing a set of chrome plastic six-shooters, with a tiny cowboy hat perched on your head, and a "real" Sheriff's Badge pinned to your shirt. Have a nice day. Thank God I am quite busy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the "proper" way to deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's home town to report him as a child molestor? I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be prison. These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson... From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Doug, any suggestions about people who use images of themselves on facebook that are about 25 years old? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the "proper" way to deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's home town to report him as a child molestor? I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be prison. These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson... From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the "proper" way to
deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow
member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges
other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's
home town to report him as a child molestor?
I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to
this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with
thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be
prison.
These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in
question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson...
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Itis true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur inviolation of
the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have beenmoderated simply then by the
group owner.
Moderationis simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a
postthemselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's
membershipposting privilege.
Either-or. Ask the person for someself-restraint and if they don't come right
through then clip theirmembership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are
quitereasonable. -JaiGuruYou!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it
doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you
personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think
you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing
Barry of anything...
Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of
anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of
automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical
weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted
by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest
thing for him to do.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: "reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything, but I am *very curious* about how you know the truth of what you just said, about Barry, or anyone else here? Wouldn't the simplest way to make such an association (of child molestation), be based on what someone said? Especially if no one else has even come close to making such a suggestion? How else would you determine the truth? This has nothing to do with conditioning. It has to do with understanding better how your mind works, because you aren't sounding at all logical right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Somebody Cares is a gift shop in Fairfield Iowa. I don't live there any more. There are pressing issues on FFL? You just did not do what you said, that's all. That is not an issue with me, but to write about something here, an attempt at subject matter gives focus, until the conversation drifts off on another tangent. By the way, violence against children in the world is fairly commonplace, but here no one I am aware of is a child molester, so its mention is not really a matter of any concern unless a person is accused of it, and then it is a concern to that person perhaps as it was to Barry. Where violence is actually directed at children is the concern. Why you got off on that tangent is beyond me. Maybe you have or had a particular button that got pressed. It happens. Everybody has buttons. Conditioning lasts all life long. Enlightenment does not get rid of conditioning automatically, it does rid the mind of certain patterns of thought and reaction, but not all patterns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Since you cracked open the post, might as well share the whole thing... "Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!!" Anyway, Rick hasn't done jack, so who cares whether I post here or not, or what I said about posting here, previously? Is that truly our most pressing issue here on FFL, Xeno? If you agree that it is, I'd love to hear why. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 'Perhaps they were under the impression' refers to Barry and Salyavin; 'persons' refers to Jim and Judy. Jim on 28 Nov 2014 Rick - Until Barry is removed - Goodbye So, if Jim was true to his word, he ought not be posting to FFL now. So he lied. Judy made no such announcement, just stopped posting one day, but returned 24 April 2015 for a few posts and then on 27 April 2015 wrote, 'You can all relax now.' and 'Now I'm going to go take a long hot bath to wash off the corruption. Phew. Bye.' This implied she was signing off and would prefer not to have to deal with certain people on FFL, for example 'It was the relentless vicious and dishonest personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered the mass exodus to The Peak.' Judy made references to Barry's thugs, which might include me. However she did not specifically say she would not return. As for me, because Judy said 'I stand by what I wrote', she cannot have a discussion with me without lying because I have not withdrawn or documented certain accusations, Judy saying 'Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' As far as I can tell, Judy is consistent here, as far as never having said she would not return. Returning to a situation that has never resolved is a good example of how the mind's thinking processes revolve in samsara, and this is not a bad thing, rebirth involves both experiences we wish not to revisit and those we wish to. Ah, the glory of battle! Hell grant soon we hear again the swords clash! And the shrill neighs of destriers in battle rejoicing, Spiked breast to spiked breast opposing! Better one hour's stour than a year's peace With fat boards, bawds, wine and frail music! Bah! there's no wine like the blood's crimson! —Ezra Pound ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Somebody Cares is a gift shop in Fairfield Iowa. I don't live there any more. There are pressing issues on FFL? You just did not do what you said, that's all. That is not an issue with me, but to write about something here, an attempt at subject matter gives focus, until the conversation drifts off on another tangent. By the way, violence against children in the world is fairly commonplace, but here no one I am aware of is a child molester, so its mention is not really a matter of any concern unless a person is accused of it, and then it is a concern to that person perhaps as it was to Barry. Where violence is actually directed at children is the concern. Why you got off on that tangent is beyond me. Maybe you have or had a particular button that got pressed. It happens. Everybody has buttons. Conditioning lasts all life long. Enlightenment does not get rid of conditioning automatically, it does rid the mind of certain patterns of thought and reaction, but not all patterns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Since you cracked open the post, might as well share the whole thing... "Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!!" Anyway, Rick hasn't done jack, so who cares whether I post here or not, or what I said about posting here, previously? Is that truly our most pressing issue here on FFL, Xeno? If you agree that it is, I'd love to hear why. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 'Perhaps they were under the impression' refers to Barry and Salyavin; 'persons' refers to Jim and Judy. Jim on 28 Nov 2014 Rick - Until Barry is removed - Goodbye So, if Jim was true to his word, he ought not be posting to FFL now. So he lied. Judy made no such announcement, just stopped posting one day, but returned 24 April 2015 for a few posts and then on 27 April 2015 wrote, 'You can all relax now.' and 'Now I'm going to go take a long hot bath to wash off the corruption. Phew. Bye.' This implied she was signing off and would prefer not to have to deal with certain people on FFL, for example 'It was the relentless vicious and dishonest personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered the mass exodus to The Peak.' Judy made references to Barry's thugs, which might include me. However she did not specifically say she would not return. As for me, because Judy said 'I stand by what I wrote', she cannot have a discussion with me without lying because I have not withdrawn or documented certain accusations, Judy saying 'Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' As far as I can tell, Judy is consistent here, as far as never having said she would not return. Returning to a situation that has never resolved is a good example of how the mind's thinking processes revolve in samsara, and this is not a bad thing, rebirth involves both experiences we wish not to revisit and those we wish to. Ah, the glory of battle! Hell grant soon we hear again the swords clash! And the shrill neighs of destriers in battle rejoicing, Spiked breast to spiked breast opposing! Better one hour's stour than a year's peace With fat boards, bawds, wine and frail music! Bah! there's no wine like the blood's crimson! —Ezra Pound ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps they were under the impression, based on what was said, these particular persons would not return to FFL ever. You wouldn't be referring to Jim and me, would you? Are you afraid to state our names? Actually if they were under that impression based on what I said, they were hallucinating, because I didn't say nuttin'. Such a reappearance is like the re-discovery of some rare endangered species thought to be extinct, like the mugwort salamander is to botanists and batrachologists. In this case though, preservation of species is not the goal. I believe hunting techniques to extinction are probably more likely, one of the forces of natural selection here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is hilarious. Jim and I pop in for brief visits, leave a few posts each,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Since you cracked open the post, might as well share the whole thing... "Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!!" Anyway, Rick hasn't done jack, so who cares whether I post here or not, or what I said about posting here, previously? Is that truly our most pressing issue here on FFL, Xeno? If you agree that it is, I'd love to hear why. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 'Perhaps they were under the impression' refers to Barry and Salyavin; 'persons' refers to Jim and Judy. Jim on 28 Nov 2014 Rick - Until Barry is removed - Goodbye So, if Jim was true to his word, he ought not be posting to FFL now. So he lied. Judy made no such announcement, just stopped posting one day, but returned 24 April 2015 for a few posts and then on 27 April 2015 wrote, 'You can all relax now.' and 'Now I'm going to go take a long hot bath to wash off the corruption. Phew. Bye.' This implied she was signing off and would prefer not to have to deal with certain people on FFL, for example 'It was the relentless vicious and dishonest personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered the mass exodus to The Peak.' Judy made references to Barry's thugs, which might include me. However she did not specifically say she would not return. As for me, because Judy said 'I stand by what I wrote', she cannot have a discussion with me without lying because I have not withdrawn or documented certain accusations, Judy saying 'Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' As far as I can tell, Judy is consistent here, as far as never having said she would not return. Returning to a situation that has never resolved is a good example of how the mind's thinking processes revolve in samsara, and this is not a bad thing, rebirth involves both experiences we wish not to revisit and those we wish to. Ah, the glory of battle! Hell grant soon we hear again the swords clash! And the shrill neighs of destriers in battle rejoicing, Spiked breast to spiked breast opposing! Better one hour's stour than a year's peace With fat boards, bawds, wine and frail music! Bah! there's no wine like the blood's crimson! —Ezra Pound ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps they were under the impression, based on what was said, these particular persons would not return to FFL ever. You wouldn't be referring to Jim and me, would you? Are you afraid to state our names? Actually if they were under that impression based on what I said, they were hallucinating, because I didn't say nuttin'. Such a reappearance is like the re-discovery of some rare endangered species thought to be extinct, like the mugwort salamander is to botanists and batrachologists. In this case though, preservation of species is not the goal. I believe hunting techniques to extinction are probably more likely, one of the forces of natural selection here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is hilarious. Jim and I pop in for brief visits, leave a few posts each, and Barry and Salyavin spring into full-on jibbering-idiot mode, slapping together a tag-team pastiche of stupid mistakes, lies, misrepresentations, and wildly illogical "analyses." Funniest of all, they portray Jim's and my visits as a massive invasion of a horde of bloodthirsty Peakers. I wasn't going to post again for awhile, but this is just too tempting. I have a little extra time this week, so I may stick around and take apart their freakout piece by piece. Stay tuned...
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And now a couple from Barry. He writes: One would think that if a person is trying to claim they "left" FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards *the same people as ever* Barry's lying. What I said (at least twice) is that while I stopped posting to FFL (not "left") for positive reasons, *those reasons had nothing to do with FFL per se*. (I realize, Barry, that due to your recent age-related cognitive decline, you may have missed the distinction here. But take my word for it, it utterly demolishes your attempt at analysis. And by the way, you've lost track of your pronouns.) As to negativity, you guys are still dishonest thugs, worse than ever; why should I regard you any differently? Then one more from Barry: To hopefully continue discussing actual ideas, Sal... As he proceeds to discuss--wait for it!--not ideas, but people. Quel surprise. More later... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club "Hate Barry sessions" again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they can drop their "Get Barry" bombs. After all, that's really why they "left." Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into following him there entertained. Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this "negative" forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people. As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they "left" FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards *the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. I hate going on about it in case anyone thinks I'm reciprocating what I claim to dislike or even provoking it, but it is funny to see Judy coming over all self-righteous. Anyone would think she was some sort of ultra-pure force for good on here when the reality of it is that she was as aggressive and intense as they come. Why, even WillyTex came out of character long enough to call her a mean spirited old bag for her endless haranguing of Share. And it was hardly just Share, Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. I'm starting to think people assume I mean just being aware of their feelings or something but being properly self aware is being objective about what we are really like. We dislike in others what we fear in ourselves. I have cosmic love for everyone, I just wish they'd post what they think about things rather than just whining about everybody else. Great minds discuss ideas etc... To hopefully continue discussing actual ideas, Sal, you touch on something I've often noticed -- the almost total lack of self-awareness in this most vocal group of FFL (and former-FFL) whiners. Take one of their most common whines (to paraphrase): "They (meaning us, the people they project their self-hatred onto) are always LYING about us, saying things they 'know' aren't true and that they 'really' don't mean." How many times
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'Perhaps they were under the impression' refers to Barry and Salyavin; 'persons' refers to Jim and Judy. Jim on 28 Nov 2014 Rick - Until Barry is removed - Goodbye So, if Jim was true to his word, he ought not be posting to FFL now. So he lied. Judy made no such announcement, just stopped posting one day, but returned 24 April 2015 for a few posts and then on 27 April 2015 wrote, 'You can all relax now.' and 'Now I'm going to go take a long hot bath to wash off the corruption. Phew. Bye.' This implied she was signing off and would prefer not to have to deal with certain people on FFL, for example 'It was the relentless vicious and dishonest personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered the mass exodus to The Peak.' Judy made references to Barry's thugs, which might include me. However she did not specifically say she would not return. As for me, because Judy said 'I stand by what I wrote', she cannot have a discussion with me without lying because I have not withdrawn or documented certain accusations, Judy saying 'Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' As far as I can tell, Judy is consistent here, as far as never having said she would not return. Returning to a situation that has never resolved is a good example of how the mind's thinking processes revolve in samsara, and this is not a bad thing, rebirth involves both experiences we wish not to revisit and those we wish to. Ah, the glory of battle! Hell grant soon we hear again the swords clash! And the shrill neighs of destriers in battle rejoicing, Spiked breast to spiked breast opposing! Better one hour's stour than a year's peace With fat boards, bawds, wine and frail music! Bah! there's no wine like the blood's crimson! —Ezra Pound ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps they were under the impression, based on what was said, these particular persons would not return to FFL ever. You wouldn't be referring to Jim and me, would you? Are you afraid to state our names? Actually if they were under that impression based on what I said, they were hallucinating, because I didn't say nuttin'. Such a reappearance is like the re-discovery of some rare endangered species thought to be extinct, like the mugwort salamander is to botanists and batrachologists. In this case though, preservation of species is not the goal. I believe hunting techniques to extinction are probably more likely, one of the forces of natural selection here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is hilarious. Jim and I pop in for brief visits, leave a few posts each, and Barry and Salyavin spring into full-on jibbering-idiot mode, slapping together a tag-team pastiche of stupid mistakes, lies, misrepresentations, and wildly illogical "analyses." Funniest of all, they portray Jim's and my visits as a massive invasion of a horde of bloodthirsty Peakers. I wasn't going to post again for awhile, but this is just too tempting. I have a little extra time this week, so I may stick around and take apart their freakout piece by piece. Stay tuned...
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/So, it's all about girls posting to the group, trying to get Barry. Go figure./ Quoting "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" : /I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO START UP THEIR OLD MEAN GIRLS CLUB "HATE BARRY SESSIONS" AGAIN, BUT I'M TRYING TO IGNORE THEM SO THAT THEY DON'T DRAG FFL BACK INTO THE GUTTER OF THEIR OWN STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS AGAIN. //I'M NOT SURPRISED TO SEE JIM AND HIS MINIONS CONTINUING TO PLAGUE FFL SO THEY CAN DROP THEIR "GET BARRY" BOMBS. AFTER ALL, THAT'S REALLY WHY THEY "LEFT." JIMBO MADE A BIG STINK ABOUT NOTHING BECAUSE HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO BADGER RICK INTO THROWING ME OFF OF THE FORUM. WHEN RICK CALLED HIS BLUFF AND IGNORED HIM, JIMBO WAS STUCK OVER THEIR ON BORING FORUM, HAVING TO MAKE UP NEW LIES ABOUT HIS SUPPOSED ENLIGHTENMENT EVERY DAY TO KEEP THE PEOPLE HE'D SUCKERED INTO FOLLOWING HIM THERE ENTERTAINED. //PERSONALLY I THINK HIS MOST RECENT ATTEMPTS TO PANDER TO HIS FELLOW THE_LEAK PEOPLE *BY WRITING TO THEM ON FFL* ARE (DARE I SAY IT) THE PEAK OF SILLINESS AND IDIOCY. HE TALKED THESE POOR PEOPLE INTO RUNNING AWAY FROM THIS "NEGATIVE" FORUM AND NOW HE WRITES *TO* THEM HERE, HAVING CREATED A SITUATION IN WHICH THEY'RE SO BORED WITH HIM AND THE BS HE SLINGS OVER THERE ON THE_LEAK THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND READ FFL EVERY DAY JUST TO GET BY. WHAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE EMBARRASSING FOR HIM (AND MORE HILARIOUS FOR US TO WATCH) IS THAT HE HAS TO DO ALL OF THIS WHILE PRETENDING TO BE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. //AS FOR THE JUDESTER, IT IS KINDA SURPRISING THAT SHE'S STILL SO *OBVIOUSLY* STUCK IN HATE BARRY MODE. I DON'T THINK SHE'S MADE A *SINGLE* POST IN EITHER OF HER DRIVE-BYS THAT *DIDN'T* ATTEMPT TO DEMONIZE BARRY AND HIS (HER NEW FAVORITE WORD) THUGS. ONE WOULD THINK THAT IF A PERSON IS TRYING TO CLAIM THEY "LEFT" FFL FOR POSITIVE REASONS, THEY SHOULDN'T UNDERCUT THAT CLAIM BY COMING BACK EVERY SO OFTEN TO PROVE THAT SHE'S STILL *JUST AS NEGATIVE AS EVER* AND TOWARDS *THE SAME PEOPLE AS EVER* -- BARRY AND ANYONE WHO DARES TO LIKE HIM. / /BUT, AS SALYAVIN SUGGESTS, I GUESS WE HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT COMPASSIONATE TOWARDS THESE DWEEBS BECAUSE WE -- THE ONES THEY OBSESS ON AND HAVE *BEEN* OBSESSING ON FOR YEARS -- ARE CLEARLY THE MOST INTERESTING PEOPLE IN THEIR LIVES. THEY MAY CLAIM TO HATE US, BUT THEY *CLEARLY* CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT US./
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/So, the group has been taken over by the trolls and nobody will help the few TMers that remain, so Barry wins the FFL religious debate by default, since all the others quit and Judy won't talk to us anymore. Go figure./ Quoting "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" : I'm guessing it's about 100 to 1 in words for what you guys have written about the-peak, compared to what the_peak (folks) have written about you. (not that I bothered to read anything below) of course, that irony is completely lost on you. what, I'm afraid you're missing, is that Barry is, what is defined as, a "classic troll". that is to say, there are some lines that he respects, but overall, his agenda is to push people's buttons, and misrepresent people's opinions in a way to get a reaction.
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Xeno baby, this bit of trivia is for you trivia obsessed slut |ˈtrivēə əbˈsesd ˈslət | noun a person preoccupied with trivia while being oblivious to the real intent and meaning: Xeno was a self-professed, self-aware psychopath yet a hilariously clueless trivia obsessed slut DERIVATIVES trivia obsessed sluttish |-ish| adjective trivia obsessed sluttishly |-ish -lē| adverb trivia obsessed sluttiness |- ish -ness| noun ORIGIN early 21st cent. (blend of trivia, obsession and slut) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : does it ever end? whatever Barry has written below, does it ever end? Eternity, while defined in different ways is always sought, so why complain if it is in your face? this folks, is "content", according to Barry. Content: 1. The things that are held or included in something. 2. Information made available by a website or other electronic medium. 3. The substance or material dealt with in a speech, literary work, etc., as distinct from its form or style. So, it would indeed appear it is content, just as your posts are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club "Hate Barry sessions" again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they can drop their "Get Barry" bombs. After all, that's really why they "left." Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into following him there entertained. Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this "negative" forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people. As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they "left" FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards *the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. I hate going on about it in case anyone thinks I'm reciprocating what I claim to dislike or even provoking it, but it is funny to see Judy coming over all self-righteous. Anyone would think she was some sort of ultra-pure force for good on here when the reality of it is that she was as aggressive and intense as they come. Why, even WillyTex came out of character long enough to call her a mean spirited old bag for her endless haranguing of Share. And it was hardly just Share, Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. I'm starting to think people assume I mean just being aware of their feelings or something but being properly self aware is being objective about what we are really like. We dislike in others what we fear in ourselves. I have cosmic love for everyone, I just wish they'd post what they think about things rather than just whining about everybody else. Great minds discuss ideas etc... To hopefully continue discussing actual ideas, Sal, you touch on something I've often noticed -- the almost total lack of self-awareness in this most vocal group of FFL (and former-FFL) whiners. Take one of their most common whines (to paraphrase): "They (meaning us, the people they project their self-hatred onto) are always LYING about us, saying things they 'know' ar
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So my point is Buck you need to stop this faux outrage of yours and need to confront these deviants directly--the likes of Barry, Xeno, Sal directly like Judy, Jim, Steve and others. What if Barry were to insult your daughter or wife and call her a cunt like he has of the women on FFL? Would you still continue acting in this manner, talking about rules, regulations, decorum--and pleading to authority? No you will directly confront the aggressor. Remember Barry play this indirect game. He is weak willed, he never takes on any challenge directly, he is emotionally, intellectually weak. He is a scheming, deceptive wuss. He resorts to innuendo, distortions, dishonesty. He keeps on repeating the lie over and over again. Stop this faux outrage of yours Buck, you do a great disservice to yourself and to others. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh stop acting like a shameless, witless oaf and making a fool of yourself Buck. It's not about rules, guidelines. It's about being honest, being truthful and not acting in a juvenile, repulsive, disgusting way and you are being no different Buck. Put an end to this idiotic, faux persona and faux-righteousness. No one can take you seriously and You do such a huge disservice to others arguing against this toxicity and dishonesty of Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The logic of this post was really fine but the post failed the yahoo-groups guidelines where it adopted the meme of the ad hominem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Here's a start, a twofer from salyavin at his dimwittiest: If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. How about just *general* awareness of what's going on around you? I haven't left any posts on The Peak. I never joined it. Oooopsie! Took a little nap there, did you? Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. Oh? Who exactly was I happy to have driven off? Please show your work--quote some posts in which I stated my intention to do so, and/or rejoiced at having been successful. Then let's see if you have the cojones to apologize to me as Michael did to Jim when he couldn't back up an accusation. I'm guessing you don't. More later... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps they were under the impression, based on what was said, these particular persons would not return to FFL ever. You wouldn't be referring to Jim and me, would you? Are you afraid to state our names? Actually if they were under that impression based on what I said, they were hallucinating, because I didn't say nuttin'. Such a reappearance is like the re-discovery of some rare endangered species thought to be extinct, like the mugwort salamander is to botanists and batrachologists. In this case though, preservation of species is not the goal. I believe hunting techniques to extinction are probably more likely, one of the forces of natural selection here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is hilarious. Jim and I pop in for brief visits, leave a few posts each, and Barry and Salyavin spring into full-on jibbering-idiot mode, slapping together a tag-team pastiche of stupid mistakes, lies, misrepresentations, and wildly illogical "analyses." Funniest of all, they portray Jim's and my visits as a massive invasion of a horde of bloodthirsty Peakers. I wasn't going to post again for awhile, but this is just too tempting. I have a little extra time this week, so I may stick around and take apart their freakout piece by piece. Stay tuned...
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Oh stop acting like a shameless, witless oaf and making a fool of yourself Buck. It's not about rules, guidelines. It's about being honest, being truthful and not acting in a juvenile, repulsive, disgusting way and you are being no different Buck. Put an end to this idiotic, faux persona and faux-righteousness. No one can take you seriously and You do such a huge disservice to others arguing against this toxicity and dishonesty of Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The logic of this post was really fine but the post failed the yahoo-groups guidelines where it adopted the meme of the ad hominem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Here's a start, a twofer from salyavin at his dimwittiest: If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. How about just *general* awareness of what's going on around you? I haven't left any posts on The Peak. I never joined it. Oooopsie! Took a little nap there, did you? Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. Oh? Who exactly was I happy to have driven off? Please show your work--quote some posts in which I stated my intention to do so, and/or rejoiced at having been successful. Then let's see if you have the cojones to apologize to me as Michael did to Jim when he couldn't back up an accusation. I'm guessing you don't. More later... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps they were under the impression, based on what was said, these particular persons would not return to FFL ever. You wouldn't be referring to Jim and me, would you? Are you afraid to state our names? Actually if they were under that impression based on what I said, they were hallucinating, because I didn't say nuttin'. Such a reappearance is like the re-discovery of some rare endangered species thought to be extinct, like the mugwort salamander is to botanists and batrachologists. In this case though, preservation of species is not the goal. I believe hunting techniques to extinction are probably more likely, one of the forces of natural selection here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is hilarious. Jim and I pop in for brief visits, leave a few posts each, and Barry and Salyavin spring into full-on jibbering-idiot mode, slapping together a tag-team pastiche of stupid mistakes, lies, misrepresentations, and wildly illogical "analyses." Funniest of all, they portray Jim's and my visits as a massive invasion of a horde of bloodthirsty Peakers. I wasn't going to post again for awhile, but this is just too tempting. I have a little extra time this week, so I may stick around and take apart their freakout piece by piece. Stay tuned...
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Oh suffering from bouts of "exaggerated sense of self-importance" I see. It's not the "fragrance" of your posts see, it's the "stench" you cause, subtle difference which you seem to be oblivious of Barry and Sal. People have every right to participate here whenever they want and freedom to post whatever they want, and defend the noxious stench of your distortions and dishonesty. This dishonesty of Barry combines with the juvenile nonsense with of Sal and Xeno piling on with this immature, juvenile drivel on how can post where and when, comparing post counts with charts and graphs. Get a grip, stop acting in this repulsive, narcissistic and emotionally challenged manner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club "Hate Barry sessions" again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they can drop their "Get Barry" bombs. After all, that's really why they "left." Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into following him there entertained. Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this "negative" forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people. As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they "left" FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards *the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. I hate going on about it in case anyone thinks I'm reciprocating what I claim to dislike or even provoking it, but it is funny to see Judy coming over all self-righteous. Anyone would think she was some sort of ultra-pure force for good on here when the reality of it is that she was as aggressive and intense as they come. Why, even WillyTex came out of character long enough to call her a mean spirited old bag for her endless haranguing of Share. And it was hardly just Share, Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. I'm starting to think people assume I mean just being aware of their feelings or something but being properly self aware is being objective about what we are really like. We dislike in others what we fear in ourselves. I have cosmic love for everyone, I just wish they'd post what they think about things rather than just whining about everybody else. Great minds discuss ideas etc... To hopefully continue discussing actual ideas, Sal, you touch on something I've often noticed -- the almost total lack of self-awareness in this most vocal group of FFL (and former-FFL) whiners. Take one of their most common whines (to paraphrase): "They (meaning us, the people they project their self-hatred onto) are always LYING about us, saying things they 'know' aren't true and that they 'really' don't mean." How many times have we heard this, eh? Well, the reality (at least for me) is that this reaction is bogus, because *I really DO mean it*. When I have said, for example, that IMO Judy Stein is insane, I'm not "lying" when I say that, or saying something I don't mean -- I really, honestly think she's insane. What ELSE could I consider someone who has stalked me for over two decades, spending liter
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
The logic of this post was really fine but the post failed the yahoo-groups guidelines where it adopted the meme of the ad hominem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Here's a start, a twofer from salyavin at his dimwittiest: If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. How about just *general* awareness of what's going on around you? I haven't left any posts on The Peak. I never joined it. Oooopsie! Took a little nap there, did you? Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. Oh? Who exactly was I happy to have driven off? Please show your work--quote some posts in which I stated my intention to do so, and/or rejoiced at having been successful. Then let's see if you have the cojones to apologize to me as Michael did to Jim when he couldn't back up an accusation. I'm guessing you don't. More later... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps they were under the impression, based on what was said, these particular persons would not return to FFL ever. You wouldn't be referring to Jim and me, would you? Are you afraid to state our names? Actually if they were under that impression based on what I said, they were hallucinating, because I didn't say nuttin'. Such a reappearance is like the re-discovery of some rare endangered species thought to be extinct, like the mugwort salamander is to botanists and batrachologists. In this case though, preservation of species is not the goal. I believe hunting techniques to extinction are probably more likely, one of the forces of natural selection here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is hilarious. Jim and I pop in for brief visits, leave a few posts each, and Barry and Salyavin spring into full-on jibbering-idiot mode, slapping together a tag-team pastiche of stupid mistakes, lies, misrepresentations, and wildly illogical "analyses." Funniest of all, they portray Jim's and my visits as a massive invasion of a horde of bloodthirsty Peakers. I wasn't going to post again for awhile, but this is just too tempting. I have a little extra time this week, so I may stick around and take apart their freakout piece by piece. Stay tuned...
