[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Agreed ! Where is the freedom for millions of americans the president so loudly and forcefully wants to export to other countries ? Hopefully, the freedom is still located in the Ballot Box, that is, if the bastards haven't corrupted the way the votes are cast, yet. The Republicans are so easy to see through, if you have a brain... The stand for lies, manipulation, greed, lust and murder. They have no compassion, and they are not conservative. Hopefully, since they have ignored the Black People, they have insured- a Democratic Victory, if we make it through the last days, of Bush Presidency... As far as comparing abortion, to the bombing of innocents: Let's put it this way... Would you rather be a fetus in the womb, of a couple or woman who does not want to carry you to term, who chooses to end that pregnancy, aborted(so, you as a soul, can manifest in another womb at a better time?), Or, would you rather have your countries infrastructure, completely destroyed, by an outside power, and then occupy your country, and then hire professional killers to roam your streets, in the night, with machine guns at the ready, with high altitude jets flying above, bombing, bombing, and more bombing, with no end in sight, and no place to go? Watching your poor country completley destroyed, experiencing unimaginable horrors? Would you rather live in a place, where an outside force, has decided your repressive government has to go, so they invade your country, and unleash ancient tribal forces, that turn the country into a blood- bath of civil way. Would you rather live in a nation(USA), where the more greedy you are, the more ruthless, the more cold and calculating- the more you break the back of others, the ones you consider, 'inferior'.. What kind of a nation to you want to be a part of? A country with 'God', on the money, inferring that God is Money, and Money is God. Or, would you rather live in a nation based on the spiritual principles of God, rather than praying and idolizing the many false gods that lust, greed and murder produce? A nation who prays to false idols is on shaky ground. Shake, shake, shake... Shake your booty, shake that booty... r.g. madison. Thanks for your reply. You might find this article by Benjamin Creme's Master from december 2004 interesting. America adrift by the Master , through Benjamin Creme It is only a matter of time before the people of the United States realize that they have made a grievous mistake. They have reinstated, albeit with the aid of many stolen votes, a man and administration dedicated to the creation of division and hatred, both nationally and internationally. They will ruefully watch an attack on their proudly held freedoms; they will see a steep decline in their standard of living as the government, of necessity, strives to tackle their enormous debts; they will witness a loss of confidence in their currency and a sharp reversal of trade with their traditional trading partners. The calamitous invasion of Iraq will continue to fester, both in Iraq and elsewhere in the world. Reacting to the fear and hatred which this administration has engendered almost universally, the tendency will be for the people to look inwards, and to turn their backs even more squarely on the world. Illusion A major problem in dealing with this administration is the powerful illusion under which it works: that it is God-inspired and so in divine Grace, helping to restore the Christian world and message to its former power and glory. Thus has the USA taken a huge step backwards, isolating itself from the true concerns of much of the world: environmental pollution and the demands of a planet suffering under the strain of impending disaster. The United States will find that the world will not stand still. With or without American co-operation the nations will proceed as best they can to deal with the many ecological and social problems which beset us, and which so urgently must be addressed. America will find itself left behind and ignored, and only then will it be prepared to `lead' the way. Rhetoric This administration is, even now, relishing its victory, and weighing the pros and cons of subsequent action. Thwarted and taken unawares by events in Iraq, it must pause awhile before considering further violence. But the bravado and rhetoric will doubtless continue, hoping to bully and conquer by threats alone. Meanwhile, great changes in many countries are under way, leading to a profound shift in the balance of power in the world. China and India, South America and Russia, are finding their feet and economic potential. Africa is beginning to receive, at last, the concern and goodwill of powerful governments and agencies, and can look forward to better times. Thus the world is
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. ME TOO !! And what is wrong with people, protesting over a few kids in a brawl, but don't give a damn about the 100,000 children murdered by coalition forces and Blackwater in Iraq. ?!?? OffWorld A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. This debate has been going on for many years in Congress and among Americans. I don't think we can settle this issue in this forum. Nonetheless, we can ask: if a fetus is not human life, what is it? I believe that by reason alone, one can come to a conclusion that it comes from a human origin. I have no adoration for very little babies... An ugly baby is a very nasty object -- and the prettiest is frightful when undressed... --- Queen Victoria. ...OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. to take an abortion is like burning down an uninhabited house - Maharishi What does that mean? OffWorld
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In a message dated 9/27/07 6:32:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. to take an abortion is like burning down an uninhabited house - Maharishi What does that mean? OffWorld It means if you're real slick you can collect the insurance. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. But what I'd really like to see is a million angry protesters marching on the headquarters of the National Republican Party in Washington. Enough is enough. Last week the Republicans showed once again just how anti-black their party really is. The G.O.P. has spent the last 40 years insulting, disenfranchising and otherwise stomping on the interests of black Americans. Last week, the residents of Washington, D.C., with its majority black population, came remarkably close to realizing a goal they have sought for decades - a voting member of Congress to represent them. A majority in Congress favored the move, and the House had already approved it. But the Republican minority in the Senate - with the enthusiastic support of President Bush - rose up on Tuesday and said: No way, baby. At least 57 senators favored the bill, a solid majority. But the Republicans prevented a key motion on the measure from receiving the 60 votes necessary to move it forward in the Senate. The bill died. At the same time that the Republicans were killing Congressional representation for D.C. residents, the major G.O.P. candidates for president were offering a collective slap in the face to black voters nationally by refusing to participate in a long-scheduled, nationally televised debate focusing on issues important to minorities. The radio and television personality Tavis Smiley worked for a year to have a pair of these debates televised on PBS, one for the Democratic candidates and the other for the Republicans. The Democratic debate was held in June, and all the major candidates participated. The Republican debate is scheduled for Thursday. But Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson have all told Mr. Smiley: No way, baby. They won't be there. They can't be bothered debating issues that might be of interest to black Americans. After all, they're Republicans. This is the party of the Southern strategy - the party that ran, like panting dogs, after the votes of segregationist whites who were repelled by the very idea of giving equal treatment to blacks. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. (Willie Horton) Bush, George W. (Compassionate Conservative) Bush - they all ran with that lousy pack. Dr. Carolyn Goodman, a woman I was privileged to call a friend, died last month at the age of 91. She was the mother of Andrew Goodman, one of the three young civil rights activists shot to death by rabid racists near Philadelphia, Miss., in 1964. Dr. Goodman, one of the most decent people I have ever known, carried the ache of that loss with her every day of her life. In one of the vilest moves in modern presidential politics, Ronald Reagan, the ultimate hero of this latter-day Republican Party, went out of his way to kick off his general election campaign in 1980 in that very same Philadelphia, Miss. He was not there to send the message that he stood solidly for the values of Andrew Goodman. He was there to assure the bigots that he was with them. I believe in states' rights, said Mr. Reagan. The crowd roared. In 1981, during the first year of Mr. Reagan's presidency, the late Lee Atwater gave an interview to a political science professor at Case Western Reserve University, explaining the evolution of the Southern strategy: You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger,' said Atwater. By 1968, you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. In 1991, the first President Bush poked a finger in the eye of black America by selecting the egregious Clarence Thomas for the seat on the Supreme Court that had been held by the revered Thurgood Marshall. The fact that there is a rigid quota on the court, permitting one black and one black only to serve at a time, is itself racist. Mr. Bush seemed to be saying, All right, you want your black on the court? Boy, have I got one for you. Republicans improperly threw black voters off the rolls in Florida in the contested presidential election of 2000, and sent Florida state troopers into the homes of black voters to intimidate them in 2004. Blacks have been remarkably quiet about this sustained mistreatment by the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. ME TOO !! And what is wrong with people, protesting over a few kids in a brawl, but don't give a damn about the 100,000 children murdered by coalition forces and Blackwater in Iraq. ?!?? OffWorld A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. A fetus is not a baby. The states decide on what to do about abortion, not federal. Therefore the states have clearly and emphatically decided it is legal...all of them. Even the redneck republican states have not outlawed itwhich they totally could if they wanted to. No-one wants to. The reason?...because it is education and wholesome growth of communities that is the best hope for your fetuses that you want to save ...not laws. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. ME TOO !! And what is wrong with people, protesting over a few kids in a brawl, but don't give a damn about the 100,000 children murdered by coalition forces and Blackwater in Iraq. ?!?? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
(snip) Agreed ! Where is the freedom for millions of americans the president so loudly and forcefully wants to export to other countries ? Hopefully, the freedom is still located in the Ballot Box, that is, if the bastards haven't corrupted the way the votes are cast, yet. The Republicans are so easy to see through, if you have a brain... The stand for lies, manipulation, greed, lust and murder. They have no compassion, and they are not conservative. Hopefully, since they have ignored the Black People, they have insured- a Democratic Victory, if we make it through the last days, of Bush Presidency... As far as comparing abortion, to the bombing of innocents: Let's put it this way... Would you rather be a fetus in the womb, of a couple or woman who does not want to carry you to term, who chooses to end that pregnancy, aborted(so, you as a soul, can manifest in another womb at a better time?), Or, would you rather have your countries infrastructure, completely destroyed, by an outside power, and then occupy your country, and then hire professional killers to roam your streets, in the night, with machine guns at the ready, with high altitude jets flying above, bombing, bombing, and more bombing, with no end in sight, and no place to go? Watching your poor country completley destroyed, experiencing unimaginable horrors? Would you rather live in a place, where an outside force, has decided your repressive government has to go, so they invade your country, and unleash ancient tribal forces, that turn the country into a blood- bath of civil way. Would you rather live in a nation(USA), where the more greedy you are, the more ruthless, the more cold and calculating- the more you break the back of others, the ones you consider, 'inferior'.. What kind of a nation to you want to be a part of? A country with 'God', on the money, inferring that God is Money, and Money is God. Or, would you rather live in a nation based on the spiritual principles of God, rather than praying and idolizing the many false gods that lust, greed and murder produce? A nation who prays to false idols is on shaky ground. Shake, shake, shake... Shake your booty, shake that booty... r.g. madison.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
-- A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. to take an abortion is like burning down an uninhabited house - Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY ...
In a message dated 9/26/07 5:31:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last week, the residents of Washington, D.C., with its majority black population, came remarkably close to realizing a goal they have sought for decades - a voting member of Congress to represent them. A majority in Congress favored the move, and the House had already approved it. But the Republican minority in the Senate - with the enthusiastic support of President Bush - rose up on Tuesday and said: No way, baby. Bob Hebert doesn't bother to tell us what the Constitution says about Washington D.C. having elected representatives and Senators. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/26/07 10:13:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. Not human? What does the DNA say it is? It's definitely not the mother's, alone, nor the father's, alone and it's definitely alive or it wouldn't be growing. Why do some states charge a person with double murder if they intentionally kill a pregnant woman? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. ME TOO !! And what is wrong with people, protesting over a few kids in a brawl, but don't give a damn about the 100,000 children murdered by coalition forces and Blackwater in Iraq. ?!?? OffWorld A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. This debate has been going on for many years in Congress and among Americans. I don't think we can settle this issue in this forum. Nonetheless, we can ask: if a fetus is not human life, what is it? I believe that by reason alone, one can come to a conclusion that it comes from a human origin. For convenience, Congress has passed the responsibility to the States to determine the status of a fetus. But the question still remains at the individual basis, as a matter of conscience. If a fetus is aborted, I believe that a negative karma is created which will ultimately affect the person involved and the nation that allows abortion to be performed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. ME TOO !! And what is wrong with people, protesting over a few kids in a brawl, but don't give a damn about the 100,000 children murdered by coalition forces and Blackwater in Iraq. ?!?? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times
You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. ME TOO !! And what is wrong with people, protesting over a few kids in a brawl, but don't give a damn about the 100,000 children murdered by coalition forces and Blackwater in Iraq. ?!?? OffWorld
