[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
If he had full American constitutional rights he would have already have been freed, since there's not one shred of evidence that wasn't obtained without coercion, that is presentable in a U.S. Court, that he committed any crimes in the U.S. You mean, aside from his formal, on-the-record plea to be allowed, along with four of his fellow detainees, to plead guilty to the charges against him? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html Key words here: torture and coercion. Confessions made uner torture are not admissible in U.S. courts. Judy: This plea wasn't made under torture. KSM and his family got shot at by a drone and then after he was kidnapped, the CIA abused his wife and children, denying them food and water for days. He was locked up, naked, in a secret prison for a year, and then tortured 183 times, and kept in isolation for what, seven years, without the benefit of an attorney or even a Red Cross nurse and THEN he confessed? He's probably stark-raving mad by now with huge delusions of grandeur - he wants to be a martyr for the cause - nothing he says now could even be considered to be free-will statements. Almost everything KSM confessed to was probably just bragging. One CIA official cautioned that many of Mohammed's claims during interrogation were 'white noise' designed to send the U.S. on wild goose chases or to get him through the day's interrogation session. Read more: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed It's too late, the U.S. Government blew it big time - KSM should have received a prompt military trial as an enemy combatant and them promptly executed. What purpose does it serve to give KSM full U.S. civil rights? It just doesn't make any sense. In fact, it's a mockery, since the U.S. has not declared war on anyone. Al Qaeda wanted a large soap box and now they have one. This will make the 'Abu Grab' scandal look like a picnic! If 9-11 was a case of civil crime, then we should have let Interpol take care of it. What good does it do to invade Afghanistan, when the terrorists can set up a 'camp' anywhere? It was probably all a big mistake - we should vote all the bums out that got us into this mess! Somebody has got to pay for this gigantic screw-up!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Wasn't SKM captured in Pakistan? From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 8:47:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: Isn't that interesting, Obama wants to give foreign terrorists full American constitutional rights When they're captured on American soil.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Mike Dixon wrote: Wasn't SKM captured in Pakistan? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, on March 1, 2003. But he is being tried in a civilian court in New York City, although he is an enemy combatant who is being held at Guantanamo Bay by the U.S. Military.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Isn't that interesting, Obama wants to give foreign terrorists full American constitutional rights When they're captured on American soil. Judy: P.S.: Kinda like Bush gave Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, his full American constitutional rights... Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in Pakistan. He was an enemy combatant who got tortured 183 times by the C.I.A. at a secret detention site. So, now he will be tried in a civilian court in New York City. If he had full American constitutional rights he would have already have been freed, since there's not one shred of evidence that wasn't obtained without coercion, that is presentable in a U.S. Court, that he committed any crimes in the U.S. Apparently 'Khalid Sheikh Mohammed' isn't even his real name. By rights, we should be paying him, since we shot a drone at him, and tried to murder him, which is illegal under international law. How is that going to play out in a public trial? If he had been tried by a military court, he would already be dead by now. That's the point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: snip If he had full American constitutional rights he would have already have been freed, since there's not one shred of evidence that wasn't obtained without coercion, that is presentable in a U.S. Court, that he committed any crimes in the U.S. You mean, aside from his formal, on-the-record plea to be allowed, along with four of his fellow detainees, to plead guilty to the charges against him? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Was his formal plea made before or after he was marandised? If it was before, it should be thrown out and not allowed as evidence of guilt. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 3:11:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, WillyTex willy...@.. . wrote: snip If he had full American constitutional rights he would have already have been freed, since there's not one shred of evidence that wasn't obtained without coercion, that is presentable in a U.S. Court, that he committed any crimes in the U.S. You mean, aside from his formal, on-the-record plea to be allowed, along with four of his fellow detainees, to plead guilty to the charges against him? http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 12/09/us/ 09gitmo.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Was his formal plea made before or after he was marandised? If it was before, it should be thrown out and not allowed as evidence of guilt. Don't think Bush was into Mirandizing the detainees.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
If he had full American constitutional rights he would have already have been freed, since there's not one shred of evidence that wasn't obtained without coercion, that is presentable in a U.S. Court, that he committed any crimes in the U.S. You mean, aside from his formal, on-the-record plea to be allowed, along with four of his fellow detainees, to plead guilty to the charges against him? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html Key words here: torture and coercion. Confessions made uner torture are not admissible in U.S. courts. It's against civil and human rights laws listed in the U.S. Constitution. If you were tortured by the CIA you might say anything. Not to mention the extreme rendition, which is against international law. Confessions mean nothing when you just got a drone trying to kill you and your entire family. Everyone knows that KSM always wanted to make himself look good. But his 'confession' will never stand, because it's inadmissable in court.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: If he had full American constitutional rights he would have already have been freed, since there's not one shred of evidence that wasn't obtained without coercion, that is presentable in a U.S. Court, that he committed any crimes in the U.S. You mean, aside from his formal, on-the-record plea to be allowed, along with four of his fellow detainees, to plead guilty to the charges against him? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html Key words here: torture and coercion. Confessions made uner torture are not admissible in U.S. courts. This plea wasn't made under torture.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Isn't that interesting, Obama wants to give foreign terrorists full American constitutional rights, Marandize them, trial by jury of their peers in civilian courts, but, if they haven't been caught, kill them and anybody around them, with drone attacks. Instead of having high speed chases on freeways, endangering the public, why not just send drones in to kill suspects. Why, just think how easy it would be to get rid of gangs and drug dealers! From: WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 10:29:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel Mitchell: Mideast stagnation endangers US aid We need to not only freeze aid to Israel, but also all of its bank accounts we can gain access to. That would be illegal, obviously, and wouldn't stand up in the International Court. But, if you freeze aid to Israel, then you deny millions of people living in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank, food and other items essential to human survival. It's a stupid idea. Plus place an embargo on Zionists worldwide sending money to Israel. This is obviously a racist idea, and it would probably be considered against individual human rights, not to mention, against the law in almost every country on the entire planet. Really stupid. End military aid to Israel. There are no U.S. forces in Israel - maybe there should be. But now there are three democratic and free countries in the Middle East - Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan. That's the way to win the war - build up more free nations! Maybe we should be increasing U.S. military aid to Israel. So, I'm not in favor of splitting the city of Jerusalem into two sections, one ruled over by terrorists like the PLO, with a 'strip' of land on the coast ruled by a racist gang called like Hamas, whose goal is to wipe out the Jews. That would end the problems we have with El Quaeda and others finally. The only solution to solving the problem with 'al Quaeda' terrorists is to send in more drones to wipe them out - kill them where they live and breed and the Taliban militants too. Barack Obama seems to agree with this solution. 'The Drone Wars' Wall Street Journal' January 8, 2010 http://tinyurl. com/ylr7kyp
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Mike Dixon wrote: ...kill them and anybody around them, with drone attacks. It's going to be real interesting to see how the prosecution is going to keep out of court how the U.S. tried to kill KSM even before he was arrested, when there was no state of war declared by the U.S. Congress. How the shooting of a drone into an Pakistan village at suspects, and inadvertently killing women and children and innocent bystanders, isn't going to look good in the court record. It's probably illegal as hell to shoot a drone at any 'non-enemy combatant'. And that kind of action probably won't stand up in the International Court. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Obama is marched off to prison himself for authorizing drone attacks against suspects on foreign soil. In a civilian court in the U.S., it's usually a big deal if you're shot at with a U.S. military drone, BEFORE YOUR TRIAL even begins!!! But the president of the United States cannot say that because he is over-invested in a fantasy that, if only that Texan moron Bush had read Khalid Sheikh Mohammed his Miranda rights and bowed as low as Obama did to the Saudi king, we wouldn't have all these problems. Read more: 'Obama can't say who we're at war with' By Mark Steyn Orange County Register, January 8, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/y9ac9fe
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Isn't that interesting, Obama wants to give foreign terrorists full American constitutional rights When they're captured on American soil.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Isn't that interesting, Obama wants to give foreign terrorists full American constitutional rights When they're captured on American soil. P.S.: Kinda like Bush gave Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, his full American constitutional rights. Oh, wait, Reid's a Brit, not an Arab, so that's OK, then.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US special envoy threatens to freeze aid to Israel
Mitchell: Mideast stagnation endangers US aid We need to not only freeze aid to Israel, but also all of its bank accounts we can gain access to. That would be illegal, obviously, and wouldn't stand up in the International Court. But, if you freeze aid to Israel, then you deny millions of people living in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank, food and other items essential to human survival. It's a stupid idea. Plus place an embargo on Zionists worldwide sending money to Israel. This is obviously a racist idea, and it would probably be considered against individual human rights, not to mention, against the law in almost every country on the entire planet. Really stupid. End military aid to Israel. There are no U.S. forces in Israel - maybe there should be. But now there are three democratic and free countries in the Middle East - Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan. That's the way to win the war - build up more free nations! Maybe we should be increasing U.S. military aid to Israel. So, I'm not in favor of splitting the city of Jerusalem into two sections, one ruled over by terrorists like the PLO, with a 'strip' of land on the coast ruled by a racist gang called like Hamas, whose goal is to wipe out the Jews. That would end the problems we have with El Quaeda and others finally. The only solution to solving the problem with 'al Quaeda' terrorists is to send in more drones to wipe them out - kill them where they live and breed and the Taliban militants too. Barack Obama seems to agree with this solution. 'The Drone Wars' Wall Street Journal' January 8, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/ylr7kyp
