[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-02-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
From todays cartoon strip pcnpixel http://www.comics.com/wash/pcnpixel/index.html Text on sign on top of mountain with seeker climbing the last few feet. To Those Who Seek Enlightment; The grass is indeed greener over the fence. I've moved one mountain west. Guru Master. Small person on large

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Truth Comes at a Cost by Adyashanti If I was to translate the enlightened state down into human terms, I'd have to describe it as contentment. Being nobody, going nowhere, needing no reason to exist. To the ego, that probably sounds a little boring and of course to an ego it is. But then again,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Truth Comes at a Cost by Adyashanti If I was to translate the enlightened state down into human terms, I'd have to describe it as contentment. Being nobody, going nowhere, needing no reason to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Truth Comes at a Cost by Adyashanti If I was to translate the enlightened state down into human

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Truth Comes at a Cost by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:41 AM, authfriend wrote: Since Barry last posted yesterday, there's been exactly *one* post (from Bob Brigante) that might be characterized this way, and that only partially. Barry's got more layers of unreality than just his ego to contend with. That's because Barry

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:41 AM, authfriend wrote: Since Barry last posted yesterday, there's been exactly *one* post (from Bob Brigante) that might be characterized this way, and that only partially. Barry's got

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:41 AM, authfriend wrote: Since Barry last posted yesterday, there's been exactly *one* post (from Bob Brigante) that might be characterized this way, and that only partially. Barry's got

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread curtisdeltablues
As before, so after. Before enlightenment, sport wood and carry condoms. After enlightenment, sport wood and carry condoms. If you're bitching about life before your realization, you're probably going to bitch about life after your realization, too. Enlightened primates are carrying these:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:41 AM, authfriend wrote: snip Barry's got more layers of unreality than just his ego to contend with. That's because Barry is really a Vulcan masquerading as a regular person sitting in a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That's because Barry is really a Vulcan masquerading as a regular person sitting in a coffeehouse in France. It's all part of the take-over-the-world-one-computer-at-a-time plot. (Along with the Zionist conspiracy and the Homosexual Agenda, of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That's because Barry is really a Vulcan masquerading as a regular person sitting in a coffeehouse in France. It's all part of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That's because Barry is really a Vulcan masquerading as a regular person sitting in a coffeehouse in France. It's all part of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:41 AM, authfriend wrote: Since Barry last posted yesterday, there's been exactly *one* post (from Bob Brigante)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:51 AM, authfriend wrote: Is there no end to the people who get off by bashing me on Fairfield Life? I am definitely not a puny Vulcan; to suggest that I am is an insult of the highest order. I'm Q. I know. I was just trying to defuse the raw fear Judy apparently

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Adyashanti quote: The state itself is reality, and it's won at the hands of unreality. Simply put, ultimate truth comes at a cost, and the cost is everything in you and about you that is unreal. The end result is freedom, happiness, peace, and no longer viewing life through the veils of illusion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adyashanti quote: The state itself is reality, and it's won at the hands of unreality. Simply put, ultimate truth comes at a cost, and the cost is everything in you and about you that is unreal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adyashanti quote: The state itself is reality, and it's won at the hands of unreality. Simply put, ultimate truth comes at a cost, and the cost is everything in you and about you that is unreal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
Tom T: Only to a bound and addicted ego. Who wants to hang onto the unreal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as a question, Tom, after realization did you ever have the subsequent realization that there had never been a moment in your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That's because Barry is really a Vulcan masquerading as a regular person sitting in a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:51 AM, authfriend wrote: Is there no end to the people who get off by bashing me on Fairfield Life? I am definitely not a puny Vulcan; to suggest that I am is an insult of the highest

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Adyashanti quote: The state itself is reality, and it's won at the hands of unreality. Simply put,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I sure did. As a result, I find it difficult to think of the periods of so-called unenlight- enment as unreal. They were just as real as the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I sure did. As a result, I find it difficult to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I sure did. As a result, I find it difficult to think of the periods

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't. I have lived with this flip-flop since 1972. There really doesn't appear to be a hierarchical higher or lower to either the flip or the flop that I can identify. It's all just what is going on at the

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread llundrub
You guys are fucking stupid -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adyashanti quote: The state itself is reality, and it's won at the hands of unreality. Simply put, ultimate truth comes at a cost, and the cost is everything in you and about you that is unreal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That's because Barry is really a Vulcan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: Only to a bound and addicted ego. Who wants to hang onto the unreal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just as a question, Tom, after realization did you ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Adyashanti quote: The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I really don't. I have lived with this flip-flop since 1972. There really doesn't appear to be a hierarchical higher or lower to either the flip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Adyashanti quote: The state itself is reality, and it's won at the hands of unreality. Simply put,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And just for your sake Barry, I am not frustrated, angry, obsessed, making a hierarchical judgment, thinking that Self realization is a better state of being, or any other comparison, save what I have written

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: I flip. I flop. I flip. I flop. Zen Master Rama had a black belt.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip And just for your sake Barry, I am not frustrated, angry, obsessed, making a hierarchical judgment, thinking that Self realization is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread qntmpkt
---only an ego would have a need for a hierarchy ...not exactly true; since E'd people sometimes work like everybody else, some of those jobs require attention to hierarchy. Say one is a chicken- sexer before E, and afterwards too (since being Self-Realized doesn't automatically demand that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---only an ego would have a need for a hierarchy ...not exactly true; since E'd people sometimes work like everybody else, some of those jobs require attention to hierarchy. Say one is a chicken- sexer before E, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread mathatbrahman
--Thanks (not you...) but a number of Neo-Advaitins claim to have a lock on how E'd people should act; for example, one says they dont/can't predict the future. If that were true, they would have to quit their jobs if reliance on predicting the future were paramount: say...being a stock

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Thanks (not you...) but a number of Neo-Advaitins claim to have a lock on how E'd people should act; for example, one says they dont/can't predict the future. If that were true, they would have to quit their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread sinhlnx
--Your question...what's the future Stop being a Neo-Advaitin nit-picker. The answer to this question can be found in various philosophical texts widely available, some written by physicists. But why not stop there? What is existence??? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Your question...what's the future Stop being a Neo-Advaitin nit-picker. The answer to this question can be found in various philosophical texts widely available, some written by physicists. But why not stop there?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread tanhlnx
---Why do you want to know? FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: --Your question...what's the future Stop being a Neo-Advaitin nit-picker. The answer to this question can be found in various

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread mathatbrahman
---Re: What is existence? Flanagan: I exist That doesn't answer the question. Nor did DeCartes give a cogent statement when he said I think therefore I am. Donkeys exist too, as well as rocks; but the I in I exist supplies us only with a pronoun, not any information in regard to existence in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Re: What is existence? Flanagan: I exist That doesn't answer the question. Nor did DeCartes give a cogent statement when he said I think therefore I am. Donkeys exist too, as well as rocks; but the I in I

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread llundrub
Hierarchies generally exist to protect those who have invested in a system. Which is egoic. But as the leader of a kitchen brigade and probably the most militant and insane leader here I must say that ego has nothing to do with it but perfection has everything to do with it. To all said replies I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---only an ego would have a need for a hierarchy ...not exactly true; since E'd people sometimes work like everybody else, some of those jobs require attention to hierarchy. Say one is a chicken-sexer before E, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-29 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Large S Self Knows Large S Self. What else do you need to Know. Tom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-29 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Something I wrote a few years ago that seemed appropriate. Tom Big question so lets chew it up in small pieces. Ignorance is nothing more that our ability to ignore that which we already are. A great many spiritual people have some pretty outstanding experiences, which cause them to move to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-29 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Another oldie but maybe goodie. Tom Enlightenment is not an experience it is an understanding that comes when the intellect makes the final discrimination. The understanding does not happen in any mind. Self knows Self. The knowing of Self is so strong as to leave no doubt about what has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-29 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
ANother quote to answer the question. Tom From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 first para: ...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality. When you really come to the understanding that the seeker

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

2007-01-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANother quote to answer the question. Tom Fun quotes. Here's one of my faves: The mind is not a vessel to be filled. It is a fire to be kindled. - Plutarch