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It's really true, MMY has shown us techniques for speeding enhanced awareness, he can't do them for us. We are free to take as much or little, in either the TMO or some allied organization. I know I have benefitted greatly from Vedic techniques which MMY has touted, though not many of them his at this point, that is besides the point, in the interdependence of all things MMY's addition is Vedic and Impersonal. Vedic is to say God, and we all know that pretty much every god fearing worshipper is somehow a total hypocrite just as Jesus worshippers get blood lust whenever they hear of a righteous war. Your God is the source of your bloodlust plain and simple, and nothing else. Of course the problem is not the god but how the internal interaction with God is self-filtered through human idiocy, and hence the devas decome devils and Ahura Mazda becomes the asura. Because humans drink tequila until they puke and then blame the tequila. Until one becomes a tantric and it all just becomes calories. -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Looking over this list now, how late did it run? Evidently from the 1960's into the 1980's? Any more names to add to the timeline? Yes. Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. There's an interesting linkage that many people are making between what Maharishi has or has not done, and what that might mean relative to the knowledge that he has brought out. Did he have sex even though he says he doesn't? Did he covet money even though he claims to be a monk who owns nothing? Is he a power monger although he professes to love everyone? And the 500 pound gorilla in the room is the possible impact these ambiguities have on the knowledge he has taught and spread. Otherwise, who cares? The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world up to each of us. There is no foundation on which to base a decision save the enjoyment or not each of us feels relative to the knowledge Maharishi has brought out. By pondering the events in his life, it brings us closer to examining the knowledge he has brought out. If he had been perfect, without any taint of conflict in his life, perhaps those near him would not have dived so deeply into the knowledge he brought out. Who knows? Maharishi has not only taught the technique of Transcendental Meditation, he IS Transcendental Meditation, literally. Talk about walking the talk. Pretty trippy stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Obviously this topic upsets you and a few others. Fine. Don't worry about it. Keep your idol worship of MMY as pure as you like. Whatever makes you feel good Tex. Somebody clue geezerfreak in... Wanna take a crack at clueing me in Judith? Willytex lives under a bridge. I mean, why sleep, when you can post? You're on the east coast right?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing...whatever it took to keep your idol pure. Since when did sex make anyone unpure ? Only the really, really good kind. (ball gags optionional) You are unfortunately just obsessed by the topic. I think that is called being a guy. (and any chick I would care to hang out with)
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If you know any 'chicks' who aren't sea hags ;) You are unfortunately just obsessed by the topic. I think that is called being a guy. (and any chick I would care to hang out with) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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Le Bon Temps Roule my brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you know any 'chicks' who aren't sea hags ;) You are unfortunately just obsessed by the topic. I think that is called being a guy. (and any chick I would care to hang out with) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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curtis wrote: Only the really, really good kind. (ball gags optionional) Very impressive, Curtis.
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Wanna take a crack at clueing me in Judith? jstein wrote: Willytex lives under a bridge. Which one? Very impressive, Judith, for a gal that once recommended that the entire Bush administration be jailed and then shot without a trial. Now maybe Barry can dedicate a whole post to What TMer Judith Believes - keep up the good work.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna take a crack at clueing me in Judith? jstein wrote: Willytex lives under a bridge. Which one? Very impressive, Judith, for a gal that once recommended that the entire Bush administration be jailed and then shot without a trial. Now maybe Barry can dedicate a whole post to What TMer Judith Believes - keep up the good work. Have no fear. The bridge comment will be in the next issue.
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jstein wrote: Willytex lives under a bridge. Very impressive, Judith, for a gal that once recommended that the entire Bush administration be jailed and then shot without a trial. Now maybe Barry can dedicate a whole post to What TMer Judith Believes - keep up the good work. TurquoiseB wrote: The bridge comment will be in the next issue. Don't forget to post it to Usenet so we can see who the trolls are! Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Judy Stein Date: 6 Mar 2007 13:06:52 Subject: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I http://tinyurl.com/2lz2gt He's been getting some serious flak on FFL for his behavior.
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On Mar 15, 2007, at 12:37 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna take a crack at clueing me in Judith? jstein wrote: Willytex lives under a bridge. Which one? Very impressive, Judith, for a gal that once recommended that the entire Bush administration be jailed and then shot without a trial. Now maybe Barry can dedicate a whole post to What TMer Judith Believes - keep up the good work. Have no fear. The bridge comment will be in the next issue. It's just her convoluted way of calling him a troll. It's a Judy joke. I almost smiled, you should too. :-|
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2007, at 12:37 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Wanna take a crack at clueing me in Judith? jstein wrote: Willytex lives under a bridge. Which one? Very impressive, Judith, for a gal that once recommended that the entire Bush administration be jailed and then shot without a trial. Now maybe Barry can dedicate a whole post to What TMer Judith Believes - keep up the good work. Have no fear. The bridge comment will be in the next issue. It's just her convoluted way of calling him a troll. It's a Judy joke. I almost smiled, you should too. :-| Hey, Vaj, you got something right for once (except I'm not sure how convoluted it would be for most people).
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On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:31 AM, authfriend wrote: Willytex lives under a bridge. If it's the Brooklyn Bridge maybe someone finally convinced him to buy it. Sal
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Vaj wrote: It's just her convoluted way of calling him a troll. So, it's all about Judy.
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jstein wrote: Hey, Vaj, you got something right for once (except I'm not sure how convoluted it would be for most people). Nice - more quips for Barry to use in his next installment of THINGS TMer JUDITH BELIEVES, Volume I - when you don't agree with your debating adversary, stalk them over to another newsforum and call them a troll or a liar. Vaj bashes the Maharishi to no end, but willytex is your enemy. What I can't figure out is why you'd stoop to trying to get me fired from my job, just because you don't agree with my political point of view. What's worse, your bashing willytex over politics trumps your defense of the Maharishi. Go figure. But, I guess we know who the Usenet lurker is now. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Judy Stein Date: 6 Mar 2007 13:06:52 Subject: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I He's been getting some serious flak on FFL for his behavior.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I can't figure out is why you'd stoop to trying to get me fired from my job Never did any such thing, of course.
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Willytex lives under a bridge. Sal Sunshine wrote: If it's the Brooklyn Bridge maybe someone finally convinced him to buy it. So, Sally, when Judy smears Willytex, you're on her side, but when Judy smears you, she's your enemy. Ankle-biting pundits. Go figure.
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What I can't figure out is why you'd stoop to trying to get me fired from my job jstein wrote: Never did any such thing, of course. On Usenet, silence is usually taken to indicate agreement. You're guilty for not speaking up and for defending the miscreant who tried to get me fired from my janitor job. You seem to have plenty of time to condemn Barry and Vaj, for critizcizing Mahesh, but when it comes to complaining about a real ethical violation, you don't have anything to say. Go figure. What have you got against me living and working under a bridge? Maybe it's time for you to take a break from posting and meditate on your own ethics for awhile - then, in a year or two, return here when you can debate like a gentleman, if not a lady. At present, your smear tactics indicate that you are neither.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world up to each of us. I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. I used to take his word as the gospel truth, because he was enlightened, and by his definition, the enlightened could do no wrong. Now I take everything he says with a grain of salt. For me, things he has said range from extremely profound and valuable to utter nonsense.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world up to each of us. I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. I used to take his word as the gospel truth, because he was enlightened, and by his definition, the enlightened could do no wrong. Now I take everything he says with a grain of salt. For me, things he has said range from extremely profound and valuable to utter nonsense. From Maharishi there is definitely a spectrum there, from the meaningful to the useless, for each of us. I would probably say the same about TM as you did. I have been able to become the person I always wanted to be as a result of my practice of TM.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I can't figure out is why you'd stoop to trying to get me fired from my job jstein wrote: Never did any such thing, of course. On Usenet, silence is usually taken to indicate agreement. You're guilty for not speaking up and for defending the miscreant who tried to get me fired from my janitor job. Nobody tried to get you fired, Willytex.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. I used to take his word as the gospel truth, because he was enlightened, and by his definition, the enlightened could do no wrong. You do realize now that you misinterpreted the implications of can do no wrong, right? Now I take everything he says with a grain of salt. For me, things he has said range from extremely profound and valuable to utter nonsense.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. I used to take his word as the gospel truth, because he was enlightened, and by his definition, the enlightened could do no wrong. You do realize now that you misinterpreted the implications of can do no wrong, right? You bet.
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I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. Now, please think for a moment. This is exactly what the proffessional crititc wants you to think. They want you to doubt your own experience of good meditations and stop you from experiencing your real Self. This is their job. They are paid to sow doubt in your heart. They fear more than anything people like you, who experience for themselves that The Kingdom of Heaven is within. Do not let them intimidate you. Be brave and patient. Have confidence. Continue your meditations. Log off this site.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world up to each of us. I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. I used to take his word as the gospel truth, because he was enlightened, and by his definition, the enlightened could do no wrong. Now I take everything he says with a grain of salt. For me, things he has said range from extremely profound and valuable to utter nonsense. So when did MMY say that the enlightened could do no wrong?
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex I regard TM as having saved my life. The issue for me is that M's shady side casts doubt on the validity of many things he has said. Now, please think for a moment. This is exactly what the proffessional crititc wants you to think. They want you to doubt your own experience of good meditations and stop you from experiencing your real Self. This is their job. They are paid to sow doubt in your heart. They fear more than anything people like you, who experience for themselves that The Kingdom of Heaven is within. Do not let them intimidate you. Be brave and patient. Have confidence. Continue your meditations. Log off this site. I founded this site. I'm not about to log off. I haven't missed a meditation since I learned in 1968. The fact that MMY is a paradox doesn't dissuade me from meditating.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking over this list now, how late did it run? Evidently from the 1960's into the 1980's? Any more names to add to the timeline? Yes. Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him.
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geezerfreak wrote: Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. A former Fleet Street journalist, novelist and ex-WAAF officer, Joyce was old enough to be Webb's mother; at the very least, an unusual candidate for spiritual adviser to a brainy 26-year-old who found most of her pursuits pure hogwash. Read more: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/150_webb.shtml
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: geezerfreak wrote: Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. A former Fleet Street journalist, novelist and ex-WAAF officer, Joyce was old enough to be Webb's mother; at the very least, an unusual candidate for spiritual adviser to a brainy 26-year-old who found most of her pursuits pure hogwash. Read more: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/150_webb.shtml All of which confirms to me that no amount of proof of this activity would be sufficient for you Tex. You could be presented with photos and films of the holy encounter and you would say they were doctored. In the case of personal accounts, like Ms. Collin-Smith, the answer is to shoot the messenger. And you wonder why some of these women (those who are still tied to the TMOand there are one or two whose identity would curl your hair) are afraid to speak up? It's because of people like you, who would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing...whatever it took to keep your idol pure. Obviously this topic upsets you and a few others. Fine. Don't worry about it. Keep your idol worship of MMY as pure as you like. Whatever makes you feel good Tex.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Looking over this list now, how late did it run? Evidently from the 1960's into the 1980's? Any more names to add to the timeline? Yes. Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. There's an interesting linkage that many people are making between what Maharishi has or has not done, and what that might mean relative to the knowledge that he has brought out. Did he have sex even though he says he doesn't? Did he covet money even though he claims to be a monk who owns nothing? Is he a power monger although he professes to love everyone? And the 500 pound gorilla in the room is the possible impact these ambiguities have on the knowledge he has taught and spread. Otherwise, who cares? The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world up to each of us. There is no foundation on which to base a decision save the enjoyment or not each of us feels relative to the knowledge Maharishi has brought out. By pondering the events in his life, it brings us closer to examining the knowledge he has brought out. If he had been perfect, without any taint of conflict in his life, perhaps those near him would not have dived so deeply into the knowledge he brought out. Who knows? Maharishi has not only taught the technique of Transcendental Meditation, he IS Transcendental Meditation, literally. Talk about walking the talk. Pretty trippy stuff.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Looking over this list now, how late did it run? Evidently from the 1960's into the 1980's? Any more names to add to the timeline? Yes. Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. There's an interesting linkage that many people are making between what Maharishi has or has not done, and what that might mean relative to the knowledge that he has brought out. Did he have sex even though he says he doesn't? Did he covet money even though he claims to be a monk who owns nothing? Is he a power monger although he professes to love everyone? And the 500 pound gorilla in the room is the possible impact these ambiguities have on the knowledge he has taught and spread. Otherwise, who cares? The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world up to each of us. There is no foundation on which to base a decision save the enjoyment or not each of us feels relative to the knowledge Maharishi has brought out. By pondering the events in his life, it brings us closer to examining the knowledge he has brought out. If he had been perfect, without any taint of conflict in his life, perhaps those near him would not have dived so deeply into the knowledge he brought out. Who knows? Maharishi has not only taught the technique of Transcendental Meditation, he IS Transcendental Meditation, literally. Talk about walking the talk. Pretty trippy stuff. Walking the talk? Lordy Jim. Have another Gulab Jamin pal.
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A former Fleet Street journalist, novelist and ex-WAAF officer, Joyce was old enough to be Webb's mother; at the very least, an unusual candidate for spiritual adviser to a brainy 26-year-old who found most of her pursuits pure hogwash. geezerfreak wrote: All of which confirms to me that no amount of proof of this activity would be sufficient for you Tex. Proof? What proof? Joyce Collin-Smith didn't cite any evidence, neither did Tom Anderson or Steve Perino, and I'm quite sure that if there was any proof they would have posted it by now on TM Free Blog, would they not? You could be presented with photos and films of the holy encounter and you would say they were doctored. In the case of personal accounts, like Ms. Collin-Smith, the answer is to shoot the messenger. Go ahead, just shoot me. And you wonder why some of these women (those who are still tied to the TMO Still tied to the TMO? and there are one or two whose identity would curl your hair) are afraid to speak up? So, why aren't they on the list? It's because of people like you, who would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing... whatever it took to keep your idol pure. There's nothing like the cross. And to my knowledge, nobody has cross-examined Mr. Varma, least of all you. In fact, these kinds of accusations are libelous, unless they've been proven in a court of law. Obviously this topic upsets you and a few others. Fine. Don't worry about it. Keep your idol worship of MMY as pure as you like. Whatever makes you feel good Tex. There are no TMers on this list, so what's your point? Read more: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/150_webb.shtml
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walking the talk? Lordy Jim. Have another Gulab Jamin pal. That's what I mean, everyone's got a different opinion, which means no one can settle it once and for all and truly let go. I am reminded again of the delicious irony of the name TM Free Blog. Tickles me to death... A sticky wicket :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: geezerfreak wrote: Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. A former Fleet Street journalist, novelist and ex-WAAF officer, Joyce was old enough to be Webb's mother; at the very least, an unusual candidate for spiritual adviser to a brainy 26-year-old who found most of her pursuits pure hogwash. Read more: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/150_webb.shtml All of which confirms to me that no amount of proof of this activity would be sufficient for you Tex. You could be presented with photos and films of the holy encounter and you would say they were doctored. In the case of personal accounts, like Ms. Collin-Smith, the answer is to shoot the messenger. And you wonder why some of these women (those who are still tied to the TMOand there are one or two whose identity would curl your hair) are afraid to speak up? It's because of people like you, who would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing...whatever it took to keep your idol pure. Obviously this topic upsets you and a few others. Fine. Don't worry about it. Keep your idol worship of MMY as pure as you like. Whatever makes you feel good Tex. Somebody clue geezerfreak in...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A former Fleet Street journalist, novelist and ex-WAAF officer, Joyce was old enough to be Webb's mother; at the very least, an unusual candidate for spiritual adviser to a brainy 26-year-old who found most of her pursuits pure hogwash. geezerfreak wrote: All of which confirms to me that no amount of proof of this activity would be sufficient for you Tex. Proof? What proof? Joyce Collin-Smith didn't cite any evidence, neither did Tom Anderson or Steve Perino, and I'm quite sure that if there was any proof they would have posted it by now on TM Free Blog, would they not? You could be presented with photos and films of the holy encounter and you would say they were doctored. In the case of personal accounts, like Ms. Collin-Smith, the answer is to shoot the messenger. Go ahead, just shoot me. And you wonder why some of these women (those who are still tied to the TMO Still tied to the TMO? and there are one or two whose identity would curl your hair) are afraid to speak up? So, why aren't they on the list? It's because of people like you, who would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing... whatever it took to keep your idol pure. There's nothing like the cross. And to my knowledge, nobody has cross-examined Mr. Varma, least of all you. In fact, these kinds of accusations are libelous, unless they've been proven in a court of law. Obviously this topic upsets you and a few others. Fine. Don't worry about it. Keep your idol worship of MMY as pure as you like. Whatever makes you feel good Tex. There are no TMers on this list, so what's your point? Read more: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/150_webb.shtml Relax Tex. You're clearly experiancing some roughness of awareness. Good night.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: geezerfreak wrote: Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him. A former Fleet Street journalist, novelist and ex-WAAF officer, Joyce was old enough to be Webb's mother; at the very least, an unusual candidate for spiritual adviser to a brainy 26-year-old who found most of her pursuits pure hogwash. Read more: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/150_webb.shtml All of which confirms to me that no amount of proof of this activity would be sufficient for you Tex. You could be presented with photos and films of the holy encounter and you would say they were doctored. In the case of personal accounts, like Ms. Collin-Smith, the answer is to shoot the messenger. And you wonder why some of these women (those who are still tied to the TMOand there are one or two whose identity would curl your hair) are afraid to speak up? It's because of people like you, who would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing...whatever it took to keep your idol pure. Obviously this topic upsets you and a few others. Fine. Don't worry about it. Keep your idol worship of MMY as pure as you like. Whatever makes you feel good Tex. Somebody clue geezerfreak in... Wanna take a crack at clueing me in Judith? I mean, why sleep, when you can post? You're on the east coast right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex
would knee jerk call them crazy, possessed by Rakshasas, unstressing...whatever it took to keep your idol pure. Since when did sex make anyone unpure ? You are unfortunately just obsessed by the topic.
