Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
You might consider telling us the truth about ethanol instead of sending us to Snopes for a mixed report. Ethanol is a government fraud an a rippoff. Go figure. On 12/12/2013 11:52 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You might want to actually /read/ what Snopes has to say. Richard trolled: We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Anyone who actually read the Snopes piece is now laughing their heads off at Richard and Share. A real class act, those two. ;-) Share burbled: It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the need for certainty (-: On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:13 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... wrote: We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. Richard trolled: It's a conspiracy by the federal government and political operatives like Al Gore to screw the public in order to prevent another green company bankruptcy. Judy tried to denigrate Share and the Fox news segment based on her political ideology and personal animosity toward Share. Then Judy tried to send us to Snope's to read a mixed review. Judy has a problem with telling the truth. Instead of feeding us junk science she should have just reported the truth about ethanol. She fibbed and got caught and now she's in denial mode, and everyone knows it. Judy's mis-direction could have caused some car owners hundreds of dollars in repairs and been cause for their car warranty being dishonered. She should be reported to the group owner for posting fibs and mis-information. The truth is the use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The real reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government and now Judy is a co-spirator to the scam by not being totally truthful. Maybe Judy should just keep her pie hole shut about stuff she doesn't know anything about and instead of ankle-biting Share at every message she sends, just stick to subjects she is willing to be truthful about. Obviously Judy can't be trusted anymore, and I'm beginning to think there are lot's of other subjects where her information is also suspect. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
On 12/13/2013 9:34 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone who actually read the Snopes piece is now laughing their heads off at Richard and Share. A real class act, those two. ;-) Yeah, we're laughing our heads off, but at you not at Share. LoL! Nobody but you said that the Fox News report was not fair and balanced. You, on the other hand attempted to mislead, because of your ankle-biting toward Share. You were NOT fair and balanced - you were petty. Next time, try to put your own spin on the facts and not depend on Snopes. Almost all gasoline sold in the U.S. has some ethanol content. But, some progress is being made to get rid of ethanol completely because it gums up your fuel system with water retention. Ethanol users experience a 25–30% drop in miles per gallon due to ethanol’s lower energy content. And, it produces more smog and creates higher prices for corn products. 'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate' Reuters: http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html 'The Great Ethanol Scam' http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/ http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm 'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?' Popular Mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gasoline-damage-engine http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine To determine if your vehicle can use E85, consult your owner’s manual or check the inside of your car's fuel filler door for an identification sticker. Ethanol: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
On 12/13/2013 9:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.* What would you know about ethanol use, if all you've done is an internet reading of Snopes? 'The Great Ethanol Scam' http://www.businessweek.com/ethano scam http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. Richard trolled: On 12/13/2013 9:34 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Anyone who actually read the Snopes piece is now laughing their heads off at Richard and Share. A real class act, those two. ;-) Yeah, we're laughing our heads off, but at you not at Share. LoL! Nobody but you said that the Fox News report was not fair and balanced. You, on the other hand attempted to mislead, because of your ankle-biting toward Share. You were NOT fair and balanced - you were petty. Next time, try to put your own spin on the facts and not depend on Snopes. Almost all gasoline sold in the U.S. has some ethanol content. But, some progress is being made to get rid of ethanol completely because it gums up your fuel system with water retention. Ethanol users experience a 25–30% drop in miles per gallon due to ethanol’s lower energy content. And, it produces more smog and creates higher prices for corn products. 'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate' Reuters: http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html 'The Great Ethanol Scam' http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/ http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm 'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?' Popular Mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gasoline-damage-engine http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine To determine if your vehicle can use E85, consult your owner’s manual or check the inside of your car's fuel filler door for an identification sticker. Ethanol: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
On 12/13/2013 10:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. You can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - that's when she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing. This gal's ego is so big she can't admit an error when it's right in front of her. Judy must think that by citing Snopes, she's an expert on vehicle fueling. I'm sure this won't be lost on Share, Barry, and Zeno. But, it does make one wonder why she'd pick the corn ethanol scam to ankle-bite Share - it's got to be more than the fact that Judy doesn't like Fox News. It's especially bizarre when you consider that it's Democrats like Diane Feinstein that want to repeal the corn-based ethanol part of the alternative fuels mandate. Go figure. The EPA proposed cutting the overall 2014 mandate to 15.21 billion gallons, about 16 percent less than the current 2014 mandate's 18.15 billion gallons, and below this year's requirement of 16.55 billion gallons. 'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate' Reuters: http://reuters_news/senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. Richard trolled: On 12/13/2013 10:33 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. You can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - that's when she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing. This gal's ego is so big she can't admit an error when it's right in front of her. Judy must think that by citing Snopes, she's an expert on vehicle fueling. I'm sure this won't be lost on Share, Barry, and Zeno. But, it does make one wonder why she'd pick the corn ethanol scam to ankle-bite Share - it's got to be more than the fact that Judy doesn't like Fox News. It's especially bizarre when you consider that it's Democrats like Diane Feinstein that want to repeal the corn-based ethanol part of the alternative fuels mandate. Go figure. The EPA proposed cutting the overall 2014 mandate to 15.21 billion gallons, about 16 percent less than the current 2014 mandate's 18.15 billion gallons, and below this year's requirement of 16.55 billion gallons. 'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate' Reuters: http://reuters_news/senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
On 12/13/2013 1:29 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. You can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - that's when she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing. 'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?' Popular Mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Actually gas distributors stopped shipping 87-unleaded gasoline to Iowa recently. The only alchy free gas you can buy now is premium grade that costs about 50 cents per gallon more than the alchy blends. Buy premium for your small gasoline engines like chainsaws, snowblowers and generators and such. The alchy gas blends are curtsey the corn lobby. Blending gas with corn-alchy is incredibly stoopid thermodynamics. Thank big fat subsidized corn farmers and big green farm implement industry. Is extremely sad for the soil the way they farm it now for all the corn and beans going to distillers. The pictures now of bad commodity farming are worth a thousand words about their soil erosion. See these pictures and weep: https://sites.google.com/site/commodityagsoilerosion/ https://sites.google.com/site/commodityagsoilerosion/ -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
You might want to actually read what Snopes has to say. Richard trolled: We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
You've totally lost the plot here, Share. Neither the EPA nor the AAA is saying (as Fox News did in the video you posted) that E15 is safe for cars made after 2012. The issue is whether it's safe for cars made after 2001. You didn't read what Snopes.com had to say, did you? Or is it a lie to ask you that question? guffaw Share bleated: Well I find AAA way more trustworthy than EPA. YMMV. Especially if you use E15 ha ha! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:39 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side. It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.) Bhairitu wrote: A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW. It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
[FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: You've got to understand, Share, that you're dialoging with a gal that doesn't own a motor vehicle and probably never has or even knows how to operate one. Go figure. Poor Ricky, of course he must surely realize that owning a motor vehicle or not has absolutely nothing to do with how much one knows about motor vehicles. The average owner can barely figure out how to check their own oil let alone change it. But that is not stopping him making the usual rude remarks about Judy as if we were all idiots. The E15 fuel contains contains 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline. Conventional internal combustion engines restricts the use of ethenol to low mixtures because ethanol is corrosive and can cause a degradation in the materials in the engine and in the fuel system. But, some engines can be adjusted for a higher compression ratio and to allow for an improved fuel efficiency and for a reduction in the tailpipe emissions. The EPA allows up to 15% of ethanol to be blended with gasoline in vehicles 2007or later. The EPA now allows the use of 15% to be used in vehicles 2001 to 2006 for passenger cars in the U.S. But, the EPA says that this ratio is not suitable for motorcycles or heavy-duty trucks. Here is how you can tell if your vehicle is a Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV): http://e85.whipnet.net/flex.cars/ http://e85.whipnet.net/flex.cars/ On 12/11/2013 6:38 AM, Share Long wrote: Well I find AAA way more trustworthy than EPA. YMMV. Especially if you use E15 ha ha! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:39 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side. It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.) Bhairitu wrote: A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW. It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Well, it sure helps if you read your car owner's manual. LoL! On 12/11/2013 8:27 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Poor Ricky, of course he must surely realize that owning a motor vehicle or not has absolutely nothing to do with how much one knows about motor vehicles. The average owner can barely figure out how to check their own oil let alone change it. But that is not stopping him making the usual rude remarks about Judy as if we were all idiots.
[FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
FYI, nobody reads car owners manuals. Especially men.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Speak for yourself, but I've read probably a hundred owner's manuals - anyone who wants to understand their vehicle's operation can buy a Chilton's manual at Auto Zone or on Amazon. Reading an owner's manual is what intelligent people do when they buy a car. On 12/11/2013 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: FYI, nobody reads car owners manuals. Especially men.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in Feb 2006 so I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was one of the car makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses E15! All glory to Snopes LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
ROTFL. Obviously, Share hasn't read what Snopes has to say. http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp It didn't occur to her to wonder where I got the information I put in my post about the warranties. Share shoots herself in the foot, again: Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in Feb 2006 so I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was one of the car makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses E15! All glory to Snopes LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
You can buy a Chilton's manual to *understand* how your car works - but, unless Chilton's has improved -a lot- over the last ten years, to actually *fix* your car, you need the mfrs. service manuals.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Share would probably believe her Honda Civic owner's manual before she would believe anything Snope's has to say about her vehicle. Certainly, she wouldn't believe anything you have to say about any vehicle, since you probably don't even have a driver's license or know how to drive a car, truck, bus, or even a Vespa scooter. Go figure. On 12/11/2013 9:37 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *ROTFL. Obviously, Share hasn't read what Snopes has to say.* * * *http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp * It didn't occur to her to wonder where I got the information I put in my post about the warranties. *Share shoots herself in the foot, again:* Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in Feb 2006 so I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was one of the car makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses E15! All glory to Snopes LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
It doesn't even take a Chilton's manual to find out if you can use ethanol in your car and what mixture. Just ask your service station guy or anyone at Pep Boys. On 12/11/2013 9:38 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: You can buy a Chilton's manual to *understand* how your car works - but, unless Chilton's has improved -a lot- over the last ten years, to actually *fix* your car, you need the mfrs. service manuals.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Read the Snopes page too, while you're at it. Then maybe you can stop compulsively shooting yourself in the foot. Share smarmed: Richard, I really like Snopes but you're right. I'd trust my owner's manual more. Now if only I would sit down and read it!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Richard pooped: Share would probably believe her Honda Civic owner's manual before she would believe anything Snope's has to say about her vehicle. FAIL. Richard hasn't read the Snopes article either.
[FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Share snarled: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: LOL. Share has now redefined question to mean lie if the answer isn't Yes. I'll remember that. Wish she had redefined it earlier so I could have applied it to her own questions to me. Maybe I'll go back and pick out a few... Won't that be fun, Share? I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. I'm glad to hear you don't watch Fox. I guess it was the fact that you posted a Fox News video in support of your claim that gave me the idea. Crazy, huh? That you don't watch any news, however, explains even more than if you did watch Fox News. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... Whatever you do, don't read what Snopes has to say (My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts), On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Judy snarked: That you don't watch any news, however, explains even more than if you did watch Fox News. Judy is probably the TV news watcher around here - broadcast MSNBC I'd guess. Go figure. Judy is just getting hammered from all sides these days. Maybe if she shut her yap for a few days and got some work done so she can pay the rent, she'd be in a better mood. Judy doesn't seem to get the message that NOBODY wants to dialog witth her anymore because she's an ankle-biter, plain and simple. On 12/10/2013 2:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share snarled: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: LOL. Share has now redefined question to mean lie if the answer isn't Yes. I'll remember that. Wish she had redefined it earlier so I could have applied it to her own questions to me. Maybe I'll go back and pick out a few... Won't that be fun, Share? I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. I'm glad to hear you don't watch Fox. I guess it was the fact that you posted a Fox News video in support of your claim that gave me the idea. Crazy, huh? That you don't watch any news, however, explains even more than if you did watch Fox News. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... Whatever you do, don't read what Snopes has to say (My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts), On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU** *
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side. It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.) Bhairitu wrote: A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW. It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
It's cars made before 2001 it might harm. Anyway the more recent article shows that the EPA is backing down. People can't afford to buy new cars like they used to and are trying to make what they have last. Or is this the corn farmers trying to solve the declining market in HFCS? I was just noting the other day that products I bought or looked at last year such as the can of whipped cream no longer have HFCS. Consumers have spoken. On 12/10/2013 04:39 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side.* * * *It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)* * * *Bhairitu wrote:* A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. *It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.* It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU** *
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
AAA claims it will damage cars made after 2001 as well. That's what the dispute is about; EPA says only cars made before 2001. A bunch of car makers have said using E15 will void warranties. Bhairitu wrote: It's cars made before 2001 it might harm. Anyway the more recent article shows that the EPA is backing down. People can't afford to buy new cars like they used to and are trying to make what they have last. Or is this the corn farmers trying to solve the declining market in HFCS? I was just noting the other day that products I bought or looked at last year such as the can of whipped cream no longer have HFCS. Consumers have spoken. On 12/10/2013 04:39 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side. It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.) Bhairitu wrote: A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW. It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...
I looked in my 1998 Subaru manual and it warns of using any fuel with greater than 10% ethanol. The level for MTBE (which I believe has been discontinued) is 15%. Of course my warranty is long gone but Subarus are like the Eveready Bunny as long as you take care of them. On 12/10/2013 04:59 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *AAA claims it will damage cars made after 2001 as well. That's what the dispute is about; EPA says only cars made before 2001. A bunch of car makers have said using E15 will void warranties.* * Bhairitu wrote: * It's cars made before 2001 it might harm. Anyway the more recent article shows that the EPA is backing down. People can't afford to buy new cars like they used to and are trying to make what they have last. Or is this the corn farmers trying to solve the declining market in HFCS? I was just noting the other day that products I bought or looked at last year such as the can of whipped cream no longer have HFCS. Consumers have spoken. On 12/10/2013 04:39 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: *Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side.* * * *It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)* * * *Bhairitu wrote:* A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. *It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.* It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU** *