[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Where the hell was Steve when Share needed him so badly? Steve, Steve, are you out there? Get that horse saddled up and get out of your pajamas and into that suit of armour, there is a woman in need of assistance and you're still working on your pancakes. Hi Ann, I didn't get a chance to catch any of this until after work, and this post of yours, until now. But thank you for raising this issue. Really I was hoping someone would. Naturally I felt some anger at what Barry directed in Share's direction. But as I've been in the habit of not posting much, I didn't really care to jump in the fray. But I will tell you something. As I went through the posts, I marveled at how beautifully Share handled this. I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. So, thank you for letting me express to Share indirectly, what I may have been a little bashful expressing directly to her. You are very welcome Steve and I am relieved that you have weighed in on this. I was having doubts, fears, that you had abandoned this woman, this fragile and helpless waif who was set upon by the Bully we all know as Barry the Wright. She doesn't deserve what she got blasted with, she was blindsided and sucker punched by this Paris dweller who was obviously feeling a tad grumpy this morning. However, you have come through as I knew you must. We have all been reminded, beautifully, of how worthy your damsel in not as much distress as we had feared could handle this type of situation. And boy, she did great; she transcended the low blows of a male gone rogue and surfaced with her usual charm and wit and sense of humour. Might she be a saint, do you think? Saint Share...you gotta admit it *does* have a certain ring to it...must be all that alliteration. I dare you to try saying it 10 times really fast. What do you think you'd get if you try what this guy's doing? http://youtu.be/ZjXLPW6geL0
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Thank you, now please send one pound of ginger as ayurvedic remedy for eating too much sugar. Don't visit Shaint Share, protect Dome badge, teach laughinggull to sing Bloody Mary is the girl I love, now ain't that too damn bad from South Pacific, then have lovely call with IT Customer Support and end with favorite brand of tobacco, smoked or chewed according to preference. Namaste (-: From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 8:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Steve, you're back! I'm so glad. I've missed you here in the Funny Farm Lounge and I bet I'm not the only one. Anyway, thank you so much for your encouraging words. I probably won't be able to live up to them all the time but will do my best. As far as higher states and all that, I'm clueless, happy to be alive, happy if I can benefit others in any way. If this makes me a saint, then so be it. Just don't visit. Send pancakes instead (-:
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Steve, you're back! I'm so glad. I've missed you here in the Funny Farm Lounge and I bet I'm not the only one. Anyway, thank you so much for your encouraging words. I probably won't be able to live up to them all the time but will do my best. As far as higher states and all that, I'm clueless, happy to be alive, happy if I can benefit others in any way. If this makes me a saint, then so be it. Just don't visit. Send pancakes instead (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Where the hell was Steve when Share needed him so badly? Steve, Steve, are you out there? Get that horse saddled up and get out of your pajamas and into that suit of armour, there is a woman in need of assistance and you're still working on your pancakes. Hi Ann, I didn't get a chance to catch any of this until after work, and this post of yours, until now. But thank you for raising this issue. Really I was hoping someone would. Naturally I felt some anger at what Barry directed in Share's direction. But as I've been in the habit of not posting much, I didn't really care to jump in the fray. But I will tell you something. As I went through the posts, I marveled at how beautifully Share handled this. I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. So, thank you for letting me express to Share indirectly, what I may have been a little bashful expressing directly to her.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
In a way, this is a parallel situation to Buddhism vs. other forms of spiritual practice. The original Buddha refused to dwell on the why certain forms of suffering happened. You forgot to mention Maharishi, who also expressed this idea many, many times. As for programmers working tech support, sometimes the applications are sophisticated enough that the deep knowledge of a programmer is needed on the front lines. However, their approach to customers is facilitated by training programs that outline possible customer issues on the product, and how to troubleshoot the problems. This way, and I have used this approach several times, you have the expertise available when you need it, and at the same time have trained the experts to more handily tackle the problem. A far more efficient way to go about it, than hiring someone without the skills to fix the problem. Your approach may work for mass produced consumer ware, but it is not really practical for many kinds of hardware and software apps. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The difference between a computer programmer providing and answer and a 15 year old kid is that the computer programmer often knows A LOT of reasons, not just one, that this could be happening. The 15 year old might just be lucky in providing an answer that works or not. Which is *exactly* why programmers make the *worst* QA and Customer Support people. They home in on the nerd details, while largely *ignoring* the fact that the person on the other end of the phone has a problem that is keeping them from doing their job. What is important in a good Customer Support rep is to find a fast workaround, something that pinpoints the user behavioral cause of the problem and allows the user to work around it, while the nerds are off somewhere trying to figure out the programmatic cause of the problem and fix it, possibly not for six months or more in the next software release. That's what I did with Share's spurious character issue. I figured out what caused the problem from *her* side, and suggested another mode of behavior that would stop the problem. Simply STOP typing two spaces after a period. Voila. Problem solved. Now, if someone wanted to, and worked for Yahoo, they could sit down and figure out what the *programmatic* cause of turning two spaces into a non-breaking space followed by a normal space, and thus causing problems for down-the-line browsers might be, and fix it. *That* problem could lie pretty much anywhere. It could be in the Yahoo Mail editor, someone choosing the wrong character to insert for a non-breaking space (or in the decision to try to preserve double spaces in the first place). It could be in the Yahoo Groups Web Reader's Reply editor, that causes it to display that character with a weird symbol. But none of those fixes will be happening in a real time mode soon enough to do anyone any good. So the workaround provides the most immediate relief. No sane Customer Support department would hire people who are so programmer-centric that they can't see this. No one on the other end of a phone CARES what the programmatic cause of the bug that is preventing them from working is. They just want to be able to work. Most programmers don't even *keystroke* the programs they write, to find out how they'd respond to someone doing something other than they way they assume it should be done. That's why there are QA departments. Their job is to BREAK programs by doing the unexpected, so that customers out in the field aren't the first people to do so. I used to know a QA person who had been doing it so long that he claimed he could find a bug in ANY program within an hour. ANY program. And people called him on this claim, and he won every time. He knew what types of *assumptions* to look for and to exploit, so he'd just try a few of them, and sure enough, the programmer would have forgotten to account for them, and BOOM!, he'd blow it up and cause a Class I crash. Most of the followup to the spurious character issue here has been of the overly-focused-on-the-nerd-stuff why is the *program* doing this thang. My suggestion was more pragmatic -- addressing what I intuited was the *user behavior* that was causing the issue, and suggesting a change in that behavior to make the issue go away. Why should Share or anyone else CARE what the programmatic issue is, if there is a workaround that causes the problem not to appear? In a way, this is a parallel situation to Buddhism vs. other forms of spiritual practice. The original Buddha refused to dwell on the why certain forms of suffering happened. That, he believed, was pure nerd theory, useless, and a total waste of time. He focused instead on what one could do to eliminate the situation that resulted in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
On 06/06/2013 10:47 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The difference between a computer programmer providing and answer and a 15 year old kid is that the computer programmer often knows A LOT of reasons, not just one, that this could be happening. The 15 year old might just be lucky in providing an answer that works or not. Which is *exactly* why programmers make the *worst* QA and Customer Support people. They home in on the nerd details, while largely *ignoring* the fact that the person on the other end of the phone has a problem that is keeping them from doing their job. What is important in a good Customer Support rep is to find a fast workaround, something that pinpoints the user behavioral cause of the problem and allows the user to work around it, while the nerds are off somewhere trying to figure out the programmatic cause of the problem and fix it, possibly not for six months or more in the next software release. That's what I did with Share's spurious character issue. I figured out what caused the problem from *her* side, and suggested another mode of behavior that would stop the problem. Simply STOP typing two spaces after a period. Voila. Problem solved. Now, if someone wanted to, and worked for Yahoo, they could sit down and figure out what the *programmatic* cause of turning two spaces into a non-breaking space followed by a normal space, and thus causing problems for down-the-line browsers might be, and fix it. The problem was not the two spaces but the character encoding used in whatever program Share was using. This was a more common problem on the Mac but it also can occur on Windows too and probably Linux if the setting is different. The default these days seems to be UTF-8 because we live in a global Internet world and we need to support character sets that require it. *That* problem could lie pretty much anywhere. It could be in the Yahoo Mail editor, someone choosing the wrong character to insert for a non-breaking space (or in the decision to try to preserve double spaces in the first place). It could be in the Yahoo Groups Web Reader's Reply editor, that causes it to display that character with a weird symbol. But none of those fixes will be happening in a real time mode soon enough to do anyone any good. So the workaround provides the most immediate relief. It is much easier to track with email because with Thunderbird I can look at the source of a message I sent and look at it when it comes back from Yahoo and see what they did with it. Yahoo reformats line length, BTW, so no need for hard returns at the end of the line in messages.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: (snip) I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. I have a really lovely bridge for sale, Steviepoo. You'd like it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
All this pontificating from Barry is pretty funny, given that the problem he's boasting about having solved *wasn't what Share had been asking for help with*. Rather, it's a problem *Barry* had with Share's posts, one *he* brought up as part of his putdown of her for having asked for help without giving sufficient information about the problem she *did* want help with: Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. The spurious-character problem was *not* keeping Share from doing her job, i.e., from posting to FFL. She didn't need to have it solved. She apparently didn't even know about it. Barry was the one with the problem. And while he's been loudly tooting his own horn about having solved it, Share still hasn't gotten any help with *her* problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Which is *exactly* why programmers make the *worst* QA and Customer Support people. They home in on the nerd details, while largely *ignoring* the fact that the person on the other end of the phone has a problem that is keeping them from doing their job. What is important in a good Customer Support rep is to find a fast workaround, something that pinpoints the user behavioral cause of the problem and allows the user to work around it, while the nerds are off somewhere trying to figure out the programmatic cause of the problem and fix it, possibly not for six months or more in the next software release. That's what I did with Share's spurious character issue. I figured out what caused the problem from *her* side, and suggested another mode of behavior that would stop the problem. Simply STOP typing two spaces after a period. Voila. Problem solved. Now, if someone wanted to, and worked for Yahoo, they could sit down and figure out what the *programmatic* cause of turning two spaces into a non-breaking space followed by a normal space, and thus causing problems for down-the-line browsers might be, and fix it. *That* problem could lie pretty much anywhere. It could be in the Yahoo Mail editor, someone choosing the wrong character to insert for a non-breaking space (or in the decision to try to preserve double spaces in the first place). It could be in the Yahoo Groups Web Reader's Reply editor, that causes it to display that character with a weird symbol. But none of those fixes will be happening in a real time mode soon enough to do anyone any good. So the workaround provides the most immediate relief. No sane Customer Support department would hire people who are so programmer-centric that they can't see this. No one on the other end of a phone CARES what the programmatic cause of the bug that is preventing them from working is. They just want to be able to work. Most programmers don't even *keystroke* the programs they write, to find out how they'd respond to someone doing something other than they way they assume it should be done. That's why there are QA departments. Their job is to BREAK programs by doing the unexpected, so that customers out in the field aren't the first people to do so. I used to know a QA person who had been doing it so long that he claimed he could find a bug in ANY program within an hour. ANY program. And people called him on this claim, and he won every time. He knew what types of *assumptions* to look for and to exploit, so he'd just try a few of them, and sure enough, the programmer would have forgotten to account for them, and BOOM!, he'd blow it up and cause a Class I crash. Most of the followup to the spurious character issue here has been of the overly-focused-on-the-nerd-stuff why is the *program* doing this thang. My suggestion was more pragmatic -- addressing what I intuited was the *user behavior* that was causing the issue, and suggesting a change in that behavior to make the issue go away. Why should Share or anyone else CARE what the programmatic issue is, if there is a workaround that causes the problem not to appear? In a way, this is a parallel situation to Buddhism vs. other forms of spiritual practice. The original Buddha refused to dwell on the why certain forms of suffering happened. That, he believed, was pure nerd theory, useless, and a total waste of time. He focused instead on what one could do to eliminate the situation that resulted in the suffering, and provided a workaround. For example, if you're consistently unhappy focusing on your self and trying to defend it and gratify it, STOP focusing on your self. Focus on someone else, and on helping them. Focus on selfless giving, and the self is no longer an issue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Steve, you're back! I'm so glad. I've missed you here in the Funny Farm Lounge and I bet I'm not the only one. Anyway, thank you so much for your encouraging words. I probably won't be able to live up to them all the time but will do my best. As far as higher states and all that, I'm clueless, happy to be alive, happy if I can benefit others in any way. If this makes me a saint, then so be it. Just don't visit. Send pancakes instead (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: (snip) As for programmers working tech support, sometimes the applications are sophisticated enough that the deep knowledge of a programmer is needed on the front lines. However, their approach to customers is facilitated by training programs that outline possible customer issues on the product, and how to troubleshoot the problems. This way, and I have used this approach several times, you have the expertise available when you need it, and at the same time have trained the experts to more handily tackle the problem. A far more efficient way to go about it, than hiring someone without the skills to fix the problem. Your approach may work for mass produced consumer ware, but it is not really practical for many kinds of hardware and software apps. It is such an enormous pleasure to get a tech support person who knows what they're talking about. One of the most useful skills a good one has, BTW, is to be able to quickly and accurately ascertain the tecchie level of the user, instead of automatically assuming they don't know nuttin' (especially if the user is female). After a call with a support person like that, one almost feels like having a cigarette. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
A very challenging field. The trick is training the support engineers to a far deeper level than the customer courses would, on products after they are code complete, but before they are released. A window of about three weeks, optimally, and globally. It means teaming an instructor/course developer, with the software or hardware development team, during the build process, and getting a lot of software and hardware together for simulation labs. On top of that, the tech support management will *always* blame the training, if and when a customer problem ignites. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: (snip) As for programmers working tech support, sometimes the applications are sophisticated enough that the deep knowledge of a programmer is needed on the front lines. However, their approach to customers is facilitated by training programs that outline possible customer issues on the product, and how to troubleshoot the problems. This way, and I have used this approach several times, you have the expertise available when you need it, and at the same time have trained the experts to more handily tackle the problem. A far more efficient way to go about it, than hiring someone without the skills to fix the problem. Your approach may work for mass produced consumer ware, but it is not really practical for many kinds of hardware and software apps. It is such an enormous pleasure to get a tech support person who knows what they're talking about. One of the most useful skills a good one has, BTW, is to be able to quickly and accurately ascertain the tecchie level of the user, instead of automatically assuming they don't know nuttin' (especially if the user is female). After a call with a support person like that, one almost feels like having a cigarette. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. I have a really lovely bridge for sale, Steviepoo. You'd like it. Bridges have been shown to be pretty unreliable of late. I think I'll pass. But thanks for the offer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. Why don't YOU be helpful and give her an answer based on the insufficient information she provided. Then, after having demonstrated that you can do it, fuck off and mind your own business. Just trying to be helpful... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. It is frustrating for people to ask for help using a computer when the person shows zero curiosity about finding a solution. Competent computer people simply don't get it. It's like asking someone for instructions how to open a book. A description like 'the little thingy went away' provides zero information to a solution provider. Turq is brusque anyway. I have a friend who asks similar questions when her computer is acting up. Maybe I have more patience than Turq, I do not know. The first thing to try is turn off the computer, and turn it on again. If it won't turn off, you pull the plug. I had a problem the other day. I had to uninstall and reinstall the program to get it to work properly. But I do not know why the problem occurred, perhaps a corruption in the applications settings. I bought a telescope once. The first line in the manual was 'If all else fails, read instructions'. But the main point is if you have a computer and you have zero curiosity about how it works, or what to do if it seems to have independent thoughts, you will be forever at its mercy. And it has no emotions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared.�It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back?� Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. It is frustrating for people to ask for help using a computer when the person shows zero curiosity about finding a solution. Or worse, expects someone to provide the solution *for* them, with absolutely *no* expenditure of effort or even interest on their part. Competent computer people simply don't get it. It's like asking someone for instructions how to open a book. Exactly. It would be different if Share didn't have a long and established HISTORY of doing exactly this on this forum. Asking questions that she could have *easily* found the answer to herself is a *pattern* with her. It would be one thing if this behavior were being repeated ad nauseum by a twiffy, clueless teenager. One makes allowances for that. When it's become a pattern in a twiffy, often clueless 64-year-old, some course correction might be in order. A description like 'the little thingy went away' provides zero information to a solution provider. Share's the kind of user that make computer support people and computer developers consider user a four-letter word, and a derogatory one. Turq is brusque anyway. And apologizeth not for it. :-) At least I *provided* useful information -- RTFM. ALL that Feste did was to crap on somebody he already didn't like (moi), while doing absolutely NOTHING to help Share himself. That's why I challenged him to do so. He won't.
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He probably has quite a few cafe waitstaff spit in his beer, or coffee, and serve it with a smile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
feste37: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. authfriend: I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. Translation: We can't help you. Now shut up, Woman. LoL! But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
You have missed my point entirely, and deliberately, but that is to be expected. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. Why don't YOU be helpful and give her an answer based on the insufficient information she provided. Then, after having demonstrated that you can do it, fuck off and mind your own business. Just trying to be helpful... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
Ah, Richard you do make me laugh. But you cleaned up your act and I kind of missed your usual admonition to me. I do love you all on FFL. If only because you all make me laugh at myself. Like this morning. In both the near and distant past, I've posted stuff I thought was pretty cool. No responses. Well, I think John responded once. Anyway, this morning I posted something merely practical and kind of uninteresting and there were a bunch of responses. One can't help but say, go figure! But thank everyone for all kinds of help and isn't it sweet when Judy has sympathy for turq? I am feeling a lot of tenderness for you all. So either I've gone totally bonkers or I'm just happy that the blood drawer was so good, I didn't even have my usual dizzy reaction. Which was good given that continuing dizzyness is what I'm going to doc for in first place! Since mid February it was vertigo. But that's gone and no idea what's happening now. Oy! Now I'm gonna go back and make sure there's only one space between sentences. Such a saint! Better not visit me ha ha. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested feste37: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. authfriend: I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. Translation: We can't help you. Now shut up, Woman. LoL! But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. Well, this is interesting. A real dilemma for authfriend. Her worst enemy attacks another hated enemy, so who is she to side with? She sides with Barry, amazingly (never before been known) because, so it would seem, her hatred of Share is even greater than the hatred she feels for Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. Well, this is interesting. A real dilemma for authfriend. Her worst enemy attacks another hated enemy, so who is she to side with? She sides with Barry, amazingly (never before been known) because, so it would seem, her hatred of Share is even greater than the hatred she feels for Barry. I'm sure that's how it would work with *you*, feste, a big problem. Me, I go with whatever seems right to me, no matter who's espousing it. Thus no dilemma at all. (And I've taken Barry's side a number of times when I thought he was right about something. Share's side as well. Sorry you missed them.) Gee, you're looking like rather a dope so far today, aren't you? And you so much wanted to be a hero to Share. Too bad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
Share Long: Ah, Richard you do make me laugh. There are exactly three informants here who know anything about computers: Lawson, Barry2, and Alex. ...I kind of missed your usual admonition to me. Share Long: asking the important questions. LoL! In both the near and distant past, I've posted stuff I thought was pretty cool. No responses. Don't be intimidated - I must have posted close to 10,000 on-topic messages to FFL and a.m.t. without getting any responses. Go figure. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm Look, people don't have much times these days to yak on the internet, except for people like us. But, it's a fact that some people feel better when they have someone to talk to, even to talk to total strangers on a Yahoo! news forum. Well, I think John responded once. Hey, while these nerds were posting comments that begin and end on one line and all begin with RE: - I wrote a whole book! LoL! Anyway, this morning I posted something merely practical and kind of uninteresting and there were a bunch of responses. One can't help but say, go figure! But thank everyone for all kinds of help and isn't it sweet when Judy has sympathy for turq? Go figure. I am feeling a lot of tenderness for you all... Thanks for reaching out to try and help them all understand the mechanics of consciousness! What I need is some real spiritual help. PLEASE SOMEONE, GIVE ME SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S SAKE PEOPLE, HELP ME! feste37: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. authfriend: I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. Translation: We can't help you. Now shut up, Woman. LoL! But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. Where the hell was Steve when Share needed him so badly? Steve, Steve, are you out there? Get that horse saddled up and get out of your pajamas and into that suit of armour, there is a woman in need of assistance and you're still working on your pancakes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
On 06/06/2013 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Share Long: Ah, Richard you do make me laugh. There are exactly three informants here who know anything about computers: Lawson, Barry2, and Alex. You forgot Jim. And I'm sure there are more. And the question is a bit at the IT aide level anyway. You probably have an Austin Patch. Patches are blogs that are run by AOL for someone in a community to set up a news blog for that community. I suspect it is almost as easy to set up as an AOL account and sometimes the results look like it. Recently AOL updated the Patch software and blew out a lot of our local users log ins. I contacted the owner of the local Patch who passed me on to the Patch support at AOL. We exchanged some emails and I apparently found some bugs in their new release. But there is one remaining bug I suspect the owner needs to fix himself but apparently doesn't understand the setting. I have Thunderbird set to Text Only for email. Sometimes a Patch may have stories from a nearby community Patch. If I comment on one of those I get notifications I can read in text but this communities patch just comes in HTML so I get a blank pane for the post and have to switch the view to HTML. IOW, very much like Yahoo Groups the email is sent out in two formats Text and HTML. However I'm find more and more companies sending out HTML only emails. The result for the local Patch is that is mere shadow of what it used to be which maybe makes the owner happy because the old version read a bit like FFL when it came to comments. :-D ...I kind of missed your usual admonition to me. Share Long: asking the important questions. LoL! In both the near and distant past, I've posted stuff I thought was pretty cool. No responses. Don't be intimidated - I must have posted close to 10,000 on-topic messages to FFL and a.m.t. without getting any responses. Go figure. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm Look, people don't have much times these days to yak on the internet, except for people like us. But, it's a fact that some people feel better when they have someone to talk to, even to talk to total strangers on a Yahoo! news forum. Well, I think John responded once. Hey, while these nerds were posting comments that begin and end on one line and all begin with RE: - I wrote a whole book! LoL! Anyway, this morning I posted something merely practical and kind of uninteresting and there were a bunch of responses. One can't help but say, go figure! But thank everyone for all kinds of help and isn't it sweet when Judy has sympathy for turq? Go figure. I am feeling a lot of tenderness for you all... Thanks for reaching out to try and help them all understand the mechanics of consciousness! What I need is some real spiritual help. PLEASE SOMEONE, GIVE ME SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S SAKE PEOPLE, HELP ME! feste37: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. authfriend: I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. Translation: We can't help you. Now shut up, Woman. LoL! But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/06/2013 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Share Long: Ah, Richard you do make me laugh. There are exactly three informants here who know anything about computers: Lawson, Barry2, and Alex. You forgot Jim. And I'm sure there are more. For example the guy who figured out what was causing the spurious characters in Share's posts. And before that, what was causing the problems with loading the Post Count pages. And who writes manuals for software that you wouldn't be able to afford on your salary unless you saved $50,000 a year from it for 40 years. :-) But these days most 15-year-olds know more than most Customer Support reps at hardware and software com- panies. They're just reading from a script. Really. A call comes in, they enter a few keywords from it into a database, and a script comes up telling them what the most likely cause of the problem is. Most of them couldn't explain to you what they're reading to you if you called them on it. I have. The only way to get proper support from someone who actually knows their stuff is to wade through the Let me speak to your superior routine several times until you get to the person who actually knows what he or she is talking about, and then demand to know their direct number. In the future, you cut through all the crap and just call them first; otherwise, you have to go through the whole routine all over again. And even then, chances are you're talking to some- one in India working for $4.00 an hour. But, to their credit, some of them know as much as 15-year- old kids. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
dear feste, even unsung heroes or lately sung heroes are heroes IMHO. Thank you. BTW, Judy once declared me to be the worst person on FFL or something along those lines, which actually she has said more than once. So it's all icing on the cake now and turq's long and far out of the running and IMHO again owes me something for all the Judy fire I've drawn away from him. Several times I've provided him with quite a vacation. Anyway, I love it when I as if forge a union between the Hatfields and the McCoys, the Montagues and Capulets, the this and the that (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: There was no need at all to respond to Share in that rude and insulting manner. Small wonder that so many people here dislike you. You've just given a perfect example of why. Why don't you just delete that post, which came from some very unpleasant place inside you, and simply ask her for more details? Try to be helpful for once. I'm at least partially in sympathy with Barry on this one. She should at least have been able to figure out that there's no way she can expect anyone to help her unless she takes a little more time and thought to formulate her question. But the question was designed to elicit sympathy for how computer-incompetent she is. It was designed to make people stand on their heads trying to understand what her problem is, designed to get her lots of attention from dupes like you, feste. Well, this is interesting. A real dilemma for authfriend. Her worst enemy attacks another hated enemy, so who is she to side with? She sides with Barry, amazingly (never before been known) because, so it would seem, her hatred of Share is even greater than the hatred she feels for Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hi computer experts, yesterday, somehow the little paging arrow disappeared. It allows one to check emails page by page going either back or forward. Any ideas how I can get it back? Thanks Hi, computer-incompetent. Your question makes no sense whatsoever because you didn't provide enough information. No one you're asking has any idea which program you are using to read Fairfield Life, and thus cannot comment. All that we know is that the program is so ill- behaved that it continues to insert these dumb ^A symbols at random in your posts when seen in certain views. Little paging arrow is similarly ill-considered. Try calling things what they are, after telling the people you're asking what program you're using, and on what platform (Windows, Mac, or Unix) you're using it, and other pieces of necessary information, and you maybe will get an answer. Maybe. The helpless little girl act doesn't tend to work very well with computer nerds. They might suggest that you RTFM. You have a history, after all, of asking questions here that you could easily have figured out on your own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear feste, even unsung heroes or lately sung heroes are heroes IMHO. Thank you. BTW, Judy once declared me to be the worst person on FFL or something along those lines, which actually she has said more than once. Find them and quote them, Share, or STFU. You are known, among other seriously unlovely traits, for deliberately deceptive and self-serving characterizations of what others have said. So it's all icing on the cake now and turq's long and far out of the running and IMHO again owes me something for all the Judy fire I've drawn away from him. Don't flatter yourself. You have drawn no Judy fire from Barry. Several times I've provided him with quite a vacation. Anyway, I love it when I as if forge a union between the Hatfields and the McCoys, the Montagues and Capulets, the this and the that (-: You haven't forged any unions either. You're a divider, not a uniter. It's Share against reality and its supporters, all the way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
On 06/06/2013 11:31 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/06/2013 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Share Long: Ah, Richard you do make me laugh. There are exactly three informants here who know anything about computers: Lawson, Barry2, and Alex. You forgot Jim. And I'm sure there are more. For example the guy who figured out what was causing the spurious characters in Share's posts. And before that, what was causing the problems with loading the Post Count pages. And who writes manuals for software that you wouldn't be able to afford on your salary unless you saved $50,000 a year from it for 40 years. :-) But these days most 15-year-olds know more than most Customer Support reps at hardware and software com- panies. They're just reading from a script. Really. A call comes in, they enter a few keywords from it into a database, and a script comes up telling them what the most likely cause of the problem is. Most of them couldn't explain to you what they're reading to you if you called them on it. I have. The only way to get proper support from someone who actually knows their stuff is to wade through the Let me speak to your superior routine several times until you get to the person who actually knows what he or she is talking about, and then demand to know their direct number. In the future, you cut through all the crap and just call them first; otherwise, you have to go through the whole routine all over again. And even then, chances are you're talking to some- one in India working for $4.00 an hour. But, to their credit, some of them know as much as 15-year- old kids. :-) The difference between a computer programmer providing and answer and a 15 year old kid is that the computer programmer often knows A LOT of reasons, not just one, that this could be happening. The 15 year old might just be lucky in providing an answer that works or not. At this time Yahoo News still can't keep my local news and weather location straight. They don't seem to know for sure why it is happening so some users. My surmise is this started happening when someone joins Facebook, Google+ or Twitter their site sees the cookie and trying to be user friendly offers to let them connect that way destroying reading their own cookie which provided the location information. I'm even shown at the top logged in but then I think they don't want to use the login because you might want to change location when traveling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Where the hell was Steve when Share needed him so badly? Steve, Steve, are you out there? Get that horse saddled up and get out of your pajamas and into that suit of armour, there is a woman in need of assistance and you're still working on your pancakes. Hi Ann, I didn't get a chance to catch any of this until after work, and this post of yours, until now. But thank you for raising this issue. Really I was hoping someone would. Naturally I felt some anger at what Barry directed in Share's direction. But as I've been in the habit of not posting much, I didn't really care to jump in the fray. But I will tell you something. As I went through the posts, I marveled at how beautifully Share handled this. I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. So, thank you for letting me express to Share indirectly, what I may have been a little bashful expressing directly to her.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Where the hell was Steve when Share needed him so badly? Steve, Steve, are you out there? Get that horse saddled up and get out of your pajamas and into that suit of armour, there is a woman in need of assistance and you're still working on your pancakes. Hi Ann, I didn't get a chance to catch any of this until after work, and this post of yours, until now. But thank you for raising this issue. Really I was hoping someone would. Naturally I felt some anger at what Barry directed in Share's direction. But as I've been in the habit of not posting much, I didn't really care to jump in the fray. But I will tell you something. As I went through the posts, I marveled at how beautifully Share handled this. I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. So, thank you for letting me express to Share indirectly, what I may have been a little bashful expressing directly to her. You are very welcome Steve and I am relieved that you have weighed in on this. I was having doubts, fears, that you had abandoned this woman, this fragile and helpless waif who was set upon by the Bully we all know as Barry the Wright. She doesn't deserve what she got blasted with, she was blindsided and sucker punched by this Paris dweller who was obviously feeling a tad grumpy this morning. However, you have come through as I knew you must. We have all been reminded, beautifully, of how worthy your damsel in not as much distress as we had feared could handle this type of situation. And boy, she did great; she transcended the low blows of a male gone rogue and surfaced with her usual charm and wit and sense of humour. Might she be a saint, do you think?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: You are very welcome Steve and I am relieved that you have weighed in on this. I was having doubts, fears, that you had abandoned this woman, this fragile and helpless waif who was set upon by the Bully we all know as Barry the Wright. She doesn't deserve what she got blasted with, she was blindsided and sucker punched by this Paris dweller who was obviously feeling a tad grumpy this morning. I would say grumpy was the correct evaluation. We all get it at times you know. However, you have come through as I knew you must. We have all been reminded, beautifully, of how worthy your damsel in not as much distress as we had feared could handle this type of situation. And boy, she did great; she transcended the low blows of a male gone rogue and surfaced with her usual charm and wit and sense of humour. Might she be a saint, do you think? Saint? No. But, yes, I think she does possess some remarkable qualities, and often makes me smile. So that counts for a lot, I think. (-:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: You are very welcome Steve and I am relieved that you have weighed in on this. I was having doubts, fears, that you had abandoned this woman, this fragile and helpless waif who was set upon by the Bully we all know as Barry the Wright. She doesn't deserve what she got blasted with, she was blindsided and sucker punched by this Paris dweller who was obviously feeling a tad grumpy this morning. I would say grumpy was the correct evaluation. We all get it at times you know. However, you have come through as I knew you must. We have all been reminded, beautifully, of how worthy your damsel in not as much distress as we had feared could handle this type of situation. And boy, she did great; she transcended the low blows of a male gone rogue and surfaced with her usual charm and wit and sense of humour. Might she be a saint, do you think? Saint? No. But, yes, I think she does possess some remarkable qualities, and often makes me smile. So that counts for a lot, I think. (-: Oh yes, the ability to make one smile is special. Just think of the things that can create that kind of crack/opening in an otherwise deadpan visage. Things like seeing someone slip on a banana peel, witnessing the humiliation of an enemy, attending comedy night; how profound, how deep, how sophisticated. Ah, to make one smile has to rank right up there with the miracle of a virgin birth.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Oh yes, the ability to make one smile is special. Just think of the things that can create that kind of crack/opening in an otherwise deadpan visage. Things like seeing someone slip on a banana peel, witnessing the humiliation of an enemy, attending comedy night; how profound, how deep, how sophisticated. Ah, to make one smile has to rank right up there with the miracle of a virgin birth. Good. Good. No quibbles. For me seeing someone address an issue from an angle that is unexpected and which nails the target. That makes me smile, and that's what I'm talking about in this instance.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The difference between a computer programmer providing and answer and a 15 year old kid is that the computer programmer often knows A LOT of reasons, not just one, that this could be happening. The 15 year old might just be lucky in providing an answer that works or not. Which is *exactly* why programmers make the *worst* QA and Customer Support people. They home in on the nerd details, while largely *ignoring* the fact that the person on the other end of the phone has a problem that is keeping them from doing their job. What is important in a good Customer Support rep is to find a fast workaround, something that pinpoints the user behavioral cause of the problem and allows the user to work around it, while the nerds are off somewhere trying to figure out the programmatic cause of the problem and fix it, possibly not for six months or more in the next software release. That's what I did with Share's spurious character issue. I figured out what caused the problem from *her* side, and suggested another mode of behavior that would stop the problem. Simply STOP typing two spaces after a period. Voila. Problem solved. Now, if someone wanted to, and worked for Yahoo, they could sit down and figure out what the *programmatic* cause of turning two spaces into a non-breaking space followed by a normal space, and thus causing problems for down-the-line browsers might be, and fix it. *That* problem could lie pretty much anywhere. It could be in the Yahoo Mail editor, someone choosing the wrong character to insert for a non-breaking space (or in the decision to try to preserve double spaces in the first place). It could be in the Yahoo Groups Web Reader's Reply editor, that causes it to display that character with a weird symbol. But none of those fixes will be happening in a real time mode soon enough to do anyone any good. So the workaround provides the most immediate relief. No sane Customer Support department would hire people who are so programmer-centric that they can't see this. No one on the other end of a phone CARES what the programmatic cause of the bug that is preventing them from working is. They just want to be able to work. Most programmers don't even *keystroke* the programs they write, to find out how they'd respond to someone doing something other than they way they assume it should be done. That's why there are QA departments. Their job is to BREAK programs by doing the unexpected, so that customers out in the field aren't the first people to do so. I used to know a QA person who had been doing it so long that he claimed he could find a bug in ANY program within an hour. ANY program. And people called him on this claim, and he won every time. He knew what types of *assumptions* to look for and to exploit, so he'd just try a few of them, and sure enough, the programmer would have forgotten to account for them, and BOOM!, he'd blow it up and cause a Class I crash. Most of the followup to the spurious character issue here has been of the overly-focused-on-the-nerd-stuff why is the *program* doing this thang. My suggestion was more pragmatic -- addressing what I intuited was the *user behavior* that was causing the issue, and suggesting a change in that behavior to make the issue go away. Why should Share or anyone else CARE what the programmatic issue is, if there is a workaround that causes the problem not to appear? In a way, this is a parallel situation to Buddhism vs. other forms of spiritual practice. The original Buddha refused to dwell on the why certain forms of suffering happened. That, he believed, was pure nerd theory, useless, and a total waste of time. He focused instead on what one could do to eliminate the situation that resulted in the suffering, and provided a workaround. For example, if you're consistently unhappy focusing on your self and trying to defend it and gratify it, STOP focusing on your self. Focus on someone else, and on helping them. Focus on selfless giving, and the self is no longer an issue. Voila...unhappiness goes away.
