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yeah, Buck I like the four seasons too, especially when summer and winter express their milder versions (-: From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: "As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long." A good description of my memories of Fairfield. Still too far from the coast, though. I really enjoyed living in that area when development of my consciousness was paramount, though it was always a means to an end, because, in Woddy Allen's immortal words, "I don't mellow, I rot". Here, I have the ocean, the bay, views of mountains, and a vibrant urban environment seeded amongst all of that. And 7-11's.:-) Hey, I like that Fairfield has four unambiguous seasons. >-Buck in the Dome > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies >that Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live >here. As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary >life, but with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it >is not for everyone. I say obviously because even long term TMers are not >flocking here. The weather is a challenge. And it is a small town in the >middle of the corn and soy fields. And it is the world's washing machine so >there is the unstressing that bubbles up with various courses, etc. I feel >very fortunate to be living here and am grateful to everyone who makes it as >special as it is. > > > > > > >________ > From: Rick Archer >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:27 PM >Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students > > > > > >From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Michael Jackson >Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students > > >I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when >they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave >CA. > >Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU >was in a rented facility. People wouldnât have been able to afford to move >there and build a community like we have here. > >
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Doc, I'm pretty sure that dear Woody was referring to California, specifically LA when he made that comment to she who wanted to visit there, Annie Hall. I'm just sayin... From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:17 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students "As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long." A good description of my memories of Fairfield. Still too far from the coast, though. I really enjoyed living in that area when development of my consciousness was paramount, though it was always a means to an end, because, in Woddy Allen's immortal words, "I don't mellow, I rot". Here, I have the ocean, the bay, views of mountains, and a vibrant urban environment seeded amongst all of that. And 7-11's.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies that Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live here. As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary life, but with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it is not for everyone. I say obviously because even long term TMers are not flocking here. The weather is a challenge. And it is a small town in the middle of the corn and soy fields. And it is the world's washing machine so there is the unstressing that bubbles up with various courses, etc. I feel very fortunate to be living here and am grateful to everyone who makes it as special as it is. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA. Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move there and build a community like we have here.
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Yo Barry, Re: your reason for sticking around "People ask why I stick around here. One of the reasons is that the religious sociologist in me is interested in Fairfield, The Place, and how it turns out after having been invaded by a cult. I have no real precon- ceptions of how it's going to turn out, and I've never lived there, so it's all a mystery to me. I honestly wish that more people who actually live there would tell more stories (REAL stories, not propaganda) of what it's like to live there." - Barry Bee Here you go "And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies that Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live here. As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary life, but with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it is not for everyone." - Share Long [paragraph truncated by Emily to reflect when she started to laugh.]
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I wonder where promoting "Thrive" plays into that. Apparently buying into those assumptions. Or maybe you consider them "Truth". Maybe the moon is just a mechanical construct. Who knows. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.
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I would love to see a list of the skin boys, arranged by date - it would be interesting to see how long each of them lasted. I am going to say here again for whatever its worth that I know M had big energy, to put it mildly and for many the getting off drugs for example and getting onto meditation, and just the idea of developing one's awareness rather than chasing the dollar or engaging in overtly negative activity is some thing people appreciate M for and feel he gave them. I acknowledge that, but I feel the way he began to teach, and his dishonesty eventually outweighed the good he did, and the fact that he fell prey to the proverbial blandishments of the ego, was a slap in the face to what he claimed he was trying to accomplish. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:32 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.
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I think her attitude had something to do with the first winter they had there - she said the heat wasn't working about half the time and some folks got sick as a result. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA. Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move there and build a community like we have here.
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And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies that Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live here. As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary life, but with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it is not for everyone. I say obviously because even long term TMers are not flocking here. The weather is a challenge. And it is a small town in the middle of the corn and soy fields. And it is the world's washing machine so there is the unstressing that bubbles up with various courses, etc. I feel very fortunate to be living here and am grateful to everyone who makes it as special as it is. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA. Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move there and build a community like we have here.
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It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA. Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move there and build a community like we have here.
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I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students Sounds like an isolated small white town, talking about the interracial couple who just moved in, down the block - "those troublemakers" - lol. My theory is that Fairfield is too far away from the ocean - MIU should've stayed in Santa Barbara (Isla Vista, actually). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Well first off, strict Maharishi true-believers dislike Rick in particular for having been a skin carrier then setting up and holding open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity about Maharishi and TM. Second they dislike Rick for opening up the larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the movement. They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and Maharishi. In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement community. Of course that all gets close to home for these few people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi. So, yes their having a strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that holds them together. One ballistic missile that always gets an early launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find dirt. He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans to find dirt on Maharishi. That of course is a double dump as the Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they 'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans actively raking muck. In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL. Of course it does not help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings. -FFL >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > Look, These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor. At that level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing. After all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian revolutionaries. And, we certainly are. > > > >These are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else against their own standard of morality around their own sense of loyalty from the top down. It's evidently a lower form of morality which drives most people away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development > > > >>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was >>the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly >>complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its >>effects. >> >>What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they >>believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! >> >>Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have >>asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and >>caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a >>prank he pulled. >> >>These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were >>included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM >>more accepted around the world. >> >>So you guys who still love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. >> >>And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he >>just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Rick Archer >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM >>Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students >> >> >> >> >>From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On >>Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@... >>Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students >> >>My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is >>brought up in conv
