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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, AnnTheClueless wrote: I think Share (hi Share) is having a lot of fun with this and to me there is nothing that fun about it. She seems to be acting like it is not only a joke but is taking pleasure in the discord and adding to it in only the way she can. Sorta the way YOU do when you pile on to the get Share fests, eh? Barry is doing the usual which is to apparently not close his eyes to even sleep while there is a chance to get Judy and keep adding imaginary fuel to the fire. Xeno quoting Shakespeare is a small reprieve however. But I am sensing a tad bit of sadism in our dormouse, which I had not seen before. The fact that our alleged 'victim' of PR is having fun right now is revelatory. As you're doing right now, in fact. What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this. The person who has called more people Liar! than anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any discussions with the offending person until he either documented his inference or retracted it. He did neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for no longer bothering him with her discussions. She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't comment on his posts, and then set forth to make several posts in which she addressed him directly and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at discussion. In other words, the person who *specializes* in calling other people liars on this forum PROVED HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)
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Dear Share, re: Best simply to ride the wave and let it pass. You inserted yourself into the conversation between Xeno and Judy and made multiple (count the number, Share) posts to Judy demonstrating that you woke up on the wrong side of the bed (you might consider asking Barry to stop stealing the covers - perhaps you aren't getting enough sleep at night?). Is *your* behavior, initiated by *you,* demonstrating what you state above? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods At a certain point on Monday morning, Xeno and Judy both seemed more light hearted about it and that is what I was enjoying. Nothing sadistic about that IMO. And I have noticed that these arguments do come and go on a regular basis. Best to simply ride the wave and let it pass. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:08 PM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It's not Share's fault that she doesn't understand the conceptual difference between the two - she has never tried to have a discussion. I think Share (hi Share) is having a lot of fun with this and to me there is nothing that fun about it. She seems to be acting like it is not only a joke but is taking pleasure in the discord and adding to it in only the way she can. Barry is doing the usual which is to apparently not close his eyes to even sleep while there is a chance to get Judy and keep adding imaginary fuel to the fire. Xeno quoting Shakespeare is a small reprieve however. But I am sensing a tad bit of sadism in our dormouse, which I had not seen before. The fact that our alleged 'victim' of PR is having fun right now is revelatory. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Ok, Judy, you made a distinction between discussing with Xeno and commenting on what he said. Seems a bit hair splitty to me but there you are: different strokes for different folks. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods FWIW, there was no change of mind on my part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: turq, even in Funny Farm Lounge, to change her mind is a woman's perogative. But I don't think of that as lying. I'd have to agree with you here Share, but I'll take it one step further and say it is anyone's prerogative to change their mind without being branded a liar. Something as trivial as saying the equivalent of, I'm not going to eat any chocolate cake because I'm on a diet. and then changes their mind after deciding it looks too good to resist is hardly someone to be reviled for having not predicted their future actions correctly. Now, speaking of cake... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. All while having a discussion with the person she claimed only yesterday she was never going to discuss *anything* with until he either documented something or retracted it. He did neither. And she thinks HE's dishonest? Chortle.
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Yes, Whole Foods is in many places. That article Barry posted from Huffington Post re: Whole Foods was hilarious, btw. Richard, just read that and then let it go. It's going to be O.K. Shop there as much as you like. And, as far as Texas is concerned, I think Corpus Christi might be the only really tolerable town. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Check out Ann, the bottom poster, and her reply to my post about home security! Good example of prejudice: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/358450 On 9/22/2013 8:13 PM, awoelflebater@... wrote: Ha, Richard, the guy who says he has to protect himself from gays, transgendered men and women and lesbians (not to mention skinheads). Who's the prejudiced one? But he's right, I think I hate Texas. So, you hate Whole Foods Market because it's a Texas company and I hate neo-Nazi skinhead bikers breaking into my house. Er, what is Whole Foods? We don't have them up here. Also, I never said I hated it or that I hated companies (presumably health food stores) that reside in Texas but seem to be chains all across the US of A according to FFL's recent posts. So are they really a Texas company? No, I just don't think I like Texas, the state, and I am thinking I don't like you much either. But don't put words in my mouth because I'm a stickler for misrepresentation and I'll drive you crazier than you already seem to be. Go figure.
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Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying. Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a malicious liar, at that? I've never understood this. What's the payoff? (snip) What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this. The person who has called more people Liar! than anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any discussions with the offending person until he either documented his inference or retracted it. He did neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for no longer bothering him with her discussions. She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't comment on his posts, and then set forth to make several posts in which she addressed him directly and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at discussion. In other words, the person who *specializes* in calling other people liars on this forum PROVED HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)
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Ann, I thought about informing Share why her statement below is nonsense, backing it up with documentation, making her mad by using the acronym IMHO, but I'm going to start the day off on a different tack and say a little prayer for her. I am thrilled however, Ann, that Barry said buh bye, if even for a day. He sounded like he was about to wet his pants. Bless you. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:36 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! Oh dear Share, I think I noticed that there is another CD caught in your player. Maybe you should attend to that for the time being; you had some success yesterday extricating the one that was stuck. Maybe that or join the folks for some bananagrams at Revelations. Emily? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying. Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a malicious liar, at that? I've never understood this. What's the payoff? (snip) What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this. The person who has called more people Liar! than anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any discussions with the offending person until he either documented his inference or retracted it. He did neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for no longer bothering him with her discussions. She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't comment on his posts, and then set forth to make several posts in which she addressed him directly and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at discussion. In other words, the person who *specializes* in calling other people liars on this forum PROVED HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)
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Obbajee, I'm here but I've been avoiding the temptation to ask you for juicy details about Rahu/Sani with Shukra thrown in the mix. Surely you knew what THAT combo could indicate?! Guess it depends on which graha is graced by said combustible combo LOL. For a Libra lagna it's meant walking pneumonia with cough. Go figure! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods IMHO, for which I have an IMHO, Barry is wet dreaming and he also cannot control who he dreams about even when he tries to google avatars and images on google to attempt the guess to what the girls look like who post here on FFL. IMHO and ROTFLMAO TMI and other acronyms I think Share loves to play and enjoys the attention here on FFL, IMHO. Nice to see Emily, and I am getting used to this and may miss a subject from time to time or when I see fit, whichever happens. Takes me a bit to get back into this writing form, so I apologize for typos. Although you all are used to it. :) IMHO. Where is my Share bear? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, I thought about informing Share why her statement below is nonsense, backing it up with documentation, making her mad by using the acronym IMHO, but I'm going to start the day off on a different tack and say a little prayer for her. I am thrilled however, Ann, that Barry said buh bye, if even for a day. He sounded like he was about to wet his pants. Bless you. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:36 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! Oh dear Share, I think I noticed that there is another CD caught in your player. Maybe you should attend to that for the time being; you had some success yesterday extricating the one that was stuck. Maybe that or join the folks for some bananagrams at Revelations. Emily? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying. Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a malicious liar, at that? I've never understood this. What's the payoff? (snip) What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this. The person who has called more people Liar! than anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any discussions with the offending person until he either documented his inference or retracted it. He did neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for no longer bothering him with her discussions. She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't comment on his posts, and then set forth to make several posts in which she addressed him directly and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at discussion. In other words, the person who *specializes* in calling other people liars on this forum PROVED HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)
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Well, Obbajee, since I don't know exactly what THIS is, I can't really offer any insights. Oh, there's been a really bad jyotish thing happening. All the grahas between rahu and ketu. But that's easing up now. It has a name but I can't find it. From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Actually, Share, I had NO IDEA that SHANI RAHU SHUKRA could cause THIS!! WTF and that is beyond IMHO! More like WTF is this?!! Share, please do tell what you know about this. I am sorry you are going into the sickness thing. I better count my lucky stars then. .HOLY GOD MOTHER OF JESUS! Catholics can be a bit um... PRAISE the LORD? Please, Share, because this is not funny. Please give insight. Details for which you are tempted to ask, well, let's say I need an Exorcism Intervention now! Totally sober and not on any drugs or alcohol. Did not see this coming and I hope I make it to the other side alive. The other side of this conjunction of grahas force feeding me too much attention and too close to my living arrangements making convenience, a convenience. SOS ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Obbajee, I'm here but I've been avoiding the temptation to ask you for juicy details about Rahu/Sani with Shukra thrown in the mix. Surely you knew what THAT combo could indicate?! Guess it depends on which graha is graced by said combustible combo LOL. For a Libra lagna it's meant walking pneumonia with cough. Go figure! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods IMHO, for which I have an IMHO, Barry is wet dreaming and he also cannot control who he dreams about even when he tries to google avatars and images on google to attempt the guess to what the girls look like who post here on FFL. IMHO and ROTFLMAO TMI and other acronyms I think Share loves to play and enjoys the attention here on FFL, IMHO. Nice to see Emily, and I am getting used to this and may miss a subject from time to time or when I see fit, whichever happens. Takes me a bit to get back into this writing form, so I apologize for typos. Although you all are used to it. :) IMHO. Where is my Share bear? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, I thought about informing Share why her statement below is nonsense, backing it up with documentation, making her mad by using the acronym IMHO, but I'm going to start the day off on a different tack and say a little prayer for her. I am thrilled however, Ann, that Barry said buh bye, if even for a day. He sounded like he was about to wet his pants. Bless you. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:36 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! Oh dear Share, I think I noticed that there is another CD caught in your player. Maybe you should attend to that for the time being; you had some success yesterday extricating the one that was stuck. Maybe that or join the folks for some bananagrams at Revelations. Emily? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying. Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a malicious liar, at that? I've never understood this. What's the payoff? (snip) What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this. The person who has called more people Liar! than anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any discussions with the offending person until he either documented his inference or retracted it. He did neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for no longer bothering him
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Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods. And even in this argument, Xeno sounds like a philosophical friend. In such circumstances, can't 2 little words *if true* be given a positive spin by you? Or at least a neutral one?! Your sort of knee jerk response feels like you're wasting a potential friendship with Xeno. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably happens when we get into a discussion. Do I ever lie? The answer is yes. Even M recommended lying under certain circumstances. This world of illusion is rotten to the core. Do you ever lie? Of all the people currently on FFL, you accuse others of lying more than anyone. That is of course, my other reason for suspecting you of a lack of integrity. That's not a rational reason, of course. And I don't just accuse, I document my accusations. Certain people seem to manage to create the aura of integrity without insisting others prove their own or without asking others to apologise for doubting theirs. The late Senator Moynihan from New York comes to mind, a rarity in the political world. In my world, the personal aspect of life really cannot have integrity; only the whole of life has integrity, but that is not the integrity arrived at by conforming to a model of behaviour; it is simply it cannot be compared to anything else. Blablabla...more irrelevant bafflegab. I just find it disingenuous that you try to ride the moral high horse, from which you have fallen long ago Please give the specifics of this claim (including when this falling purportedly happened). you are rather lifting the tail of a dead one. I never really could ride a horse myself. As an individual body, there is always something corruptible when compared to some fictional higher standard. If you want to discuss philosophy or science or music, fine. But this issue of your alleged, self-promoted integrity and the incredible lack of it in others is not a viable subject. As I reminded Curtis when he tried this ploy, the only time I promote my integrity is when I'm accused of having a lack of it. It's not an uncommon response from people I've caught being dishonest, but never has anybody been able to make it stick. Rarely is an example even given, just the vague charge. Vaj used to do that a lot. Why don't we discuss Mozart? Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. You bit off a lot more than you can chew here.
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Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Judy, in his initial response, Xeno said something like that it's a phrase that indicates that one has no supporting evidence, sounding like his usual philosophical self. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:40 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods. And even in this argument, Xeno sounds like a philosophical friend. In such circumstances, can't 2 little words *if true* be given a positive spin by you? Or at least a neutral one?! Your sort of knee jerk response feels like you're wasting a potential friendship with Xeno. Xeno has foreclosed on the possibility of friendship with his false accusations. I gave him the chance to explain if true, initially without interpreting the phrase, and he (finally, after several attempts to avoid the issue) confirmed that those 2 little words were neither friendly nor neutral; he meant them to cast doubt on my honesty. When I think you might have something to contribute to how I manage my relationships here, I'll ask you. I doubt that will happen, though, unless you become a lot smarter than you demonstrate with your comments above. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably happens when we get into a discussion. Do I ever lie? The answer is yes. Even M recommended lying under certain circumstances. This world of illusion is rotten to the core. Do you ever lie? Of all the people currently on FFL, you accuse others of lying more than anyone. That is of course, my other reason for suspecting you of a lack of integrity. That's not a rational reason, of course. And I don't just accuse, I document my accusations. Certain people seem to manage to create the aura of integrity without insisting others prove their own or without asking others to apologise for doubting theirs. The late Senator Moynihan from New York comes to mind, a rarity in the political world. In my world, the personal aspect of life really cannot have integrity; only the whole of life has integrity, but that is not the integrity arrived at by conforming to a model of behaviour; it is simply it cannot be compared to anything else. Blablabla...more irrelevant bafflegab. I just find it disingenuous that you try to ride the moral high horse, from which you have fallen long ago Please give the specifics of this claim (including when this falling purportedly happened). you are rather lifting the tail of a dead one. I never really could ride a horse myself. As an individual body, there is always something corruptible when compared to some fictional higher standard. If you want to discuss philosophy or science or music, fine. But this issue of your alleged, self-promoted integrity and the incredible lack of it in others is not a viable subject. As I reminded Curtis when he
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Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably happens when we get into a discussion. Do I ever lie? The answer is yes. Even M recommended lying under certain circumstances. This world of illusion is rotten to the core. Do you ever lie? Of all the people currently on FFL, you accuse others of lying more than anyone. That is of course, my other reason for suspecting you of a lack of integrity. That's not a rational reason, of course. And I don't just accuse, I document my accusations. Certain people seem to manage to create the aura of integrity without insisting others prove their own or without asking others to apologise for doubting theirs. The late Senator Moynihan from New York comes to mind, a rarity in the political world. In my world, the personal aspect of life really cannot have integrity; only the whole of life has integrity, but that is not the integrity arrived at by conforming to a model of behaviour; it is simply it cannot be compared to anything else. Blablabla...more irrelevant bafflegab. I just find it disingenuous that you try to ride the moral high horse, from which you have fallen long ago Please give the specifics of this claim (including when this falling purportedly happened). you are rather lifting the tail of a dead one. I never really could ride a horse myself. As an individual body, there is always something corruptible when compared to some fictional higher standard. If you want to discuss philosophy or science
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I'm chuckling as I post this bit from Eckhart Tolle on the pain body, imagining FFL posters telling each other that their pain body has taken over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcYrm7h86Rk From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods I thought Jason's description of your and Judy's dysfunctional relationship, was spot on. Any time one of you begins to modify your behavior to stop this ego rivalry, the other one will quickly send out a baited message, to perpetuate it. Pretty fucking dumb, by both of you, is all I can say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Argue-Bot, vowing not to start future arguments with victim: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Victim, calling her bluff: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! This should be interesting. Judy either LIED above about not discussing anything with this particular victim du jour, or she didn't. What's the FFL consensus? That is, how long until she's ragging on him again, trying to get him to respond to her, and thus get sucked into her eternally-dueling-egos Tarbaby scenario? She *did*, after all, specify I'm not going to discuss ANYTHING with you until... He's clearly not going to jump through hoops, fall for the taunt, and cater to her demands. So if she writes to him in the future, she LIED. Simple as that. Can you say, Hoist on one's own petard? I think you can. :-)
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What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably happens when we get into a discussion. Do I ever lie? The answer is yes. Even M recommended lying under certain circumstances. This world of illusion is rotten to the core. Do you ever lie? Of all the people currently on FFL, you accuse others of lying more than anyone. That is of course, my other reason for suspecting you of a lack of integrity. That's not a rational reason, of course. And I don't just accuse, I document my accusations. Certain people seem to manage to create the aura of integrity without insisting others prove their own or without asking others to apologise for doubting theirs. The late Senator Moynihan from New York comes to mind, a rarity in the political world. In my world, the personal aspect of life really cannot have integrity; only the whole of life has integrity, but that is not the integrity arrived at by conforming to a model of behaviour
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I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Share, you need to learn how to process your own emotions - you are bleeding heavily again. Does meditation help you with this? Did you meditate before you launched your brain on FFL this morning? Did you have a cup of coffee (one of the super foods in the article you posted the other day that I got a good laugh at)? What *are* you trying to achieve here this morning? Ask yourself this. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Emily, join in the fun, why don't you? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, you need to learn how to process your own emotions - you are bleeding heavily again. Does meditation help you with this? Did you meditate before you launched your brain on FFL this morning? Did you have a cup of coffee (one of the super foods in the article you posted the other day that I got a good laugh at)? What *are* you trying to achieve here this morning? Ask yourself this. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Check yourself Share - it's only Monday. Did you have a hard weekend? Walk away from the computer, Share, walk away from the computer. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, join in the fun, why don't you? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, you need to learn how to process your own emotions - you are bleeding heavily again. Does meditation help you with this? Did you meditate before you launched your brain on FFL this morning? Did you have a cup of coffee (one of the super foods in the article you posted the other day that I got a good laugh at)? What *are* you trying to achieve here this morning? Ask yourself this. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably
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Ok, Judy, you made a distinction between discussing with Xeno and commenting on what he said. Seems a bit hair splitty to me but there you are: different strokes for different folks. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods FWIW, there was no change of mind on my part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: turq, even in Funny Farm Lounge, to change her mind is a woman's perogative. But I don't think of that as lying. I'd have to agree with you here Share, but I'll take it one step further and say it is anyone's prerogative to change their mind without being branded a liar. Something as trivial as saying the equivalent of, I'm not going to eat any chocolate cake because I'm on a diet. and then changes their mind after deciding it looks too good to resist is hardly someone to be reviled for having not predicted their future actions correctly. Now, speaking of cake... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. All while having a discussion with the person she claimed only yesterday she was never going to discuss *anything* with until he either documented something or retracted it. He did neither. And she thinks HE's dishonest? Chortle.
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Thank you for the kind thought Share, you are thinking kindly of me, no? - after my observation that you are incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post (you have now demonstrated my additional observation in that comment). From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness
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It's not Share's fault that she doesn't understand the conceptual difference between the two - she has never tried to have a discussion. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Ok, Judy, you made a distinction between discussing with Xeno and commenting on what he said. Seems a bit hair splitty to me but there you are: different strokes for different folks. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods FWIW, there was no change of mind on my part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: turq, even in Funny Farm Lounge, to change her mind is a woman's perogative. But I don't think of that as lying. I'd have to agree with you here Share, but I'll take it one step further and say it is anyone's prerogative to change their mind without being branded a liar. Something as trivial as saying the equivalent of, I'm not going to eat any chocolate cake because I'm on a diet. and then changes their mind after deciding it looks too good to resist is hardly someone to be reviled for having not predicted their future actions correctly. Now, speaking of cake... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. All while having a discussion with the person she claimed only yesterday she was never going to discuss *anything* with until he either documented something or retracted it. He did neither. And she thinks HE's dishonest? Chortle.
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Emily, happy to help. Are you enjoying yet? Look, Xeno's quoting Shakespeare, Judy's using fun words like biffle. What's not to enjoy? Just a matter of where you focus your attention. I think that's why you and I see different realities, both of which are valid. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Thank you for the kind thought Share, you are thinking kindly of me, no? - after my observation that you are incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post (you have now demonstrated my additional observation in that comment). From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am
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Ha ha ha. Project everything, take in nothing. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, happy to help. Are you enjoying yet? Look, Xeno's quoting Shakespeare, Judy's using fun words like biffle. What's not to enjoy? Just a matter of where you focus your attention. I think that's why you and I see different realities, both of which are valid. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Thank you for the kind thought Share, you are thinking kindly of me, no? - after my observation that you are incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post (you have now demonstrated my additional observation in that comment). From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written
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She looks at him like a brother? Smile. They *are* similar in certain ways. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily observed with her usual sagacity: It's not Share's fault that she doesn't understand the conceptual difference between the two - she has never tried to have a discussion. Good point. One would think, however, that even she would know better by now than to follow Barry's get Judy leads, but it's just hard--for me, at least--to fathom the depths of her cluelessness. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Ok, Judy, you made a distinction between discussing with Xeno and commenting on what he said. Seems a bit hair splitty to me but there you are: different strokes for different folks. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods FWIW, there was no change of mind on my part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: turq, even in Funny Farm Lounge, to change her mind is a woman's perogative. But I don't think of that as lying. I'd have to agree with you here Share, but I'll take it one step further and say it is anyone's prerogative to change their mind without being branded a liar. Something as trivial as saying the equivalent of, I'm not going to eat any chocolate cake because I'm on a diet. and then changes their mind after deciding it looks too good to resist is hardly someone to be reviled for having not predicted their future actions correctly. Now, speaking of cake... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. All while having a discussion with the person she claimed only yesterday she was never going to discuss *anything* with until he either documented something or retracted it. He did neither. And she thinks HE's dishonest? Chortle.
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Emily, must you pick on turq so?! From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods She looks at him like a brother? Smile. They *are* similar in certain ways. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily observed with her usual sagacity: It's not Share's fault that she doesn't understand the conceptual difference between the two - she has never tried to have a discussion. Good point. One would think, however, that even she would know better by now than to follow Barry's get Judy leads, but it's just hard--for me, at least--to fathom the depths of her cluelessness. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Ok, Judy, you made a distinction between discussing with Xeno and commenting on what he said. Seems a bit hair splitty to me but there you are: different strokes for different folks. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods FWIW, there was no change of mind on my part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: turq, even in Funny Farm Lounge, to change her mind is a woman's perogative. But I don't think of that as lying. I'd have to agree with you here Share, but I'll take it one step further and say it is anyone's prerogative to change their mind without being branded a liar. Something as trivial as saying the equivalent of, I'm not going to eat any chocolate cake because I'm on a diet. and then changes their mind after deciding it looks too good to resist is hardly someone to be reviled for having not predicted their future actions correctly. Now, speaking of cake... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. All while having a discussion with the person she claimed only yesterday she was never going to discuss *anything* with until he either documented something or retracted it. He did neither. And she thinks HE's dishonest? Chortle.
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At a certain point on Monday morning, Xeno and Judy both seemed more light hearted about it and that is what I was enjoying. Nothing sadistic about that IMO. And I have noticed that these arguments do come and go on a regular basis. Best to simply ride the wave and let it pass. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:08 PM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It's not Share's fault that she doesn't understand the conceptual difference between the two - she has never tried to have a discussion. I think Share (hi Share) is having a lot of fun with this and to me there is nothing that fun about it. She seems to be acting like it is not only a joke but is taking pleasure in the discord and adding to it in only the way she can. Barry is doing the usual which is to apparently not close his eyes to even sleep while there is a chance to get Judy and keep adding imaginary fuel to the fire. Xeno quoting Shakespeare is a small reprieve however. But I am sensing a tad bit of sadism in our dormouse, which I had not seen before. The fact that our alleged 'victim' of PR is having fun right now is revelatory. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Ok, Judy, you made a distinction between discussing with Xeno and commenting on what he said. Seems a bit hair splitty to me but there you are: different strokes for different folks. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods FWIW, there was no change of mind on my part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: turq, even in Funny Farm Lounge, to change her mind is a woman's perogative. But I don't think of that as lying. I'd have to agree with you here Share, but I'll take it one step further and say it is anyone's prerogative to change their mind without being branded a liar. Something as trivial as saying the equivalent of, I'm not going to eat any chocolate cake because I'm on a diet. and then changes their mind after deciding it looks too good to resist is hardly someone to be reviled for having not predicted their future actions correctly. Now, speaking of cake... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. All while having a discussion with the person she claimed only yesterday she was never going to discuss *anything* with until he either documented something or retracted it. He did neither. And she thinks HE's dishonest? Chortle.
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for Xeno, to Judy, during my argument with you about Buck, I had the thought: Judy could be such a mensch. She's on the brink of being a true mensch. If only she could recognize that MAYBE someone else is making a valid point. If only she could recognize that MAYBE she made a mistake, got something wrong. And here I'm not talking about philosophical discussions. Anyway, I take a psychological perspective on this kind of situation but no longer find it useful to share such perspectives here. From my own experience it is extremely liberating to recognize that I made a mistake, that I got something wrong. And more, will probably do so again. From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Perhaps both are perspectives are distorted.What do others think of this exchange? We are not always the best judge of our own behaviour.
