Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise
Emily, before my time, some famous teachers have visited FF: Byron Katie, Gangaji, Francis Lucille. But David Deida and his then wife Sofia were in a slightly different category, being teachers with a focus on intimate relationships. David had been some kind of physics genius before he set off on a spiritual path. I think Adida was one of his main teachers and he and Ken Wilbur are buddies, just to put him in a maybe better known context. Anyway, some of us in FF very much benefited from the work David and Sofia did with us which was over 15 years ago now. They are no longer married. Sofia teaches yoga and David continues giving workshops, but not so often as they once did. His books are pretty powerful. He's one teacher who commented on the incredible silence in FF. Emily wrote: Not to worry Sharejust laughed, thinking of David Deida as the person in the know you paraphrased for such an amazing statement. I'll go back to my den now. I'm full of nonsense too. Share wrote: Well Emily, if everybody in Funny Farm Lounge was serious all the time, how boring that would be!
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Well, Doc, you asked me who David Deida is so I thought a video of him teaching was a really good way to answer that. Anyway, his ex wife Sofia Diaz is at 42 seconds, in the audience, a dark haired woman bt a bald guy and a blond woman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHhbuQMkHb0 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise I'll take your word for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc and Emily, here's a really good, full of humor, 5 minute intro to David Deida about the difference bt therapy, yoga and spiritual practice. And he even mentions boundaries! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHhbuQMkHb0 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Share, sounds to me like you are saying the Brits were puritanical about sex, so they imposed their cultural taboos on India, and therefore, continued to be puritanical about sex. I would think they continued to be puritanical, because they had been for a long time. In other words, no mystery there. I doubt India had a greater influence, more than any other colony in the British Empire, on the Brits continuing their cultural ways, including their puritanical attitudes. Who is David Deedah, anyway? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, the Brits karma according to Deida, was to continue being puritanical about sexuality with all the misery that such an attitude causes. Ann wrote: Yes? What karma did they incur exactly? Tell us more specifically what things occurred to the Brits karmically that were the result of their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. I am truly interested despite my doubts that anyone can clearly state a cause and effect between events other than if you jump off a diving board you are bound to hit the ground sooner or later. PS Earlier I replied twice from Message View but neither reply showed up anywhere! From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Thank you, Seraphita for supplying the specific context of the dance. Adds a layer of poignancy to the scene. One of my favorite tantric teachers, David Deida spoke about the karma the puritanical Brits incurred by their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. We have a traditionally trained Kathak performer in Fairfield, Wendy Stegall. She also leads a troupe of Bollywood dancers who perform at various events. I LOVE the colorful, graceful costumes! From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 10:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise It's traditional Kathak dancing. Saswati Sen is the dancer. She was trained in that Indian classical dance form, which is still performed in India today. The director wanted an authentic scene that would have matched the historical period in Lucknow - and wow did she deliver the goods. By the way, the worried glances of the emissary in that clip are because he had just learned that the (puritanical) British were about to annex the principality and bring that colourful, long-established culture to a close. Criminal. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Exquisite. I couldn't take my eyes off her hands. Those movements are all choreographed, traditional, right? There's no improvisation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The film The Chess Players, directed by Satyajit Ray, includes a dance sequence - an authentic Kathak dance (Hindi: àÃäÃàÃäÃÃ¥àÃäÃ) one of the eight forms of Indian classical dance. One of my favourite dance scenes. I hope you enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/maypvuy     Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise
Share, I'm glad that David is famous and has explored and marketed the path for men and women to spiritual sex. Whatever works and I'm glad that some of us and you, personally, benefited. I have nothing against him; I don't know him. I guess spiritual sex won't keep a marriage intact, necessarily. I'm sure that his comment on the incredible silence in FF helped validate for you that it *is*, in fact incredible and silent there in Fairfield. What struck me as funny was the manner in which you touted out his name to provide credibility for your statement on the karma of the Brits. I wonder what the karma is of the US conquerors who tried to destroy the Native American culture? Maybe Gangaji knows. Now, given my poor display of manners towards my favorite mean girl Bob the other night (although I really was only teasing him), and given the way he turned it around and got right to the heart of the matter as always, I have decided to take the advice I was giving you and work on connecting *my* mind and heart and therefore have relegated myself to the den for a little quiet meditation of undetermined length. Here I go, walking off the stage:) From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Emily, before my time, some famous teachers have visited FF: Byron Katie, Gangaji, Francis Lucille. But David Deida and his then wife Sofia were in a slightly different category, being teachers with a focus on intimate relationships. David had been some kind of physics genius before he set off on a spiritual path. I think Adida was one of his main teachers and he and Ken Wilbur are buddies, just to put him in a maybe better known context. Anyway, some of us in FF very much benefited from the work David and Sofia did with us which was over 15 years ago now. They are no longer married. Sofia teaches yoga and David continues giving workshops, but not so often as they once did. His books are pretty powerful. He's one teacher who commented on the incredible silence in FF. Emily wrote: Not to worry Sharejust laughed, thinking of David Deida as the person in the know you paraphrased for such an amazing statement. I'll go back to my den now. I'm full of nonsense too. Share wrote: Well Emily, if everybody in Funny Farm Lounge was serious all the time, how boring that would be!
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Doc, in all the years he came to FF, I never once saw David Deida hit on one of his students. AND I never heard any rumors either which is saying a lot in a rumor rich place like FF. He describes himself as a monogamist by choice and because of the integrity I've seen him express, I believe him. Doc wrote:I remember, Share. I asked the question, rhetorically, so I could spell his last name, as 'Dee-Dah' -- Not really trying to be mean, just shallow. :-) I'm always suspicious of some guy who says he's all about sexual healing, hands-on preferred, not currently in a relationship, and looks like a cross between Steven Spielberg and Chris Elliot. Very selective about his clients, no doubt.
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Emily, sometimes I'm aware of the incredible silence of FF and sometimes I'm not. That's fine with me but it was nice to hear David Deida comment on it because I have a lot of respect for him. BTW, it wasn't my statement about karma so no credibility was needed. It was Deida's. PS I'm replying like this because my 2 Message View replies never showed up anywhere! Emily wrote: Share, I'm glad that David is famous and has explored and marketed the path for men and women to spiritual sex. Whatever works and I'm glad that some of us and you, personally, benefited. I have nothing against him; I don't know him. I guess spiritual sex won't keep a marriage intact, necessarily. I'm sure that his comment on the incredible silence in FF helped validate for you that it *is*, in fact incredible and silent there in Fairfield. What struck me as funny was the manner in which you touted out his name to provide credibility for your statement on the karma of the Brits. I wonder what the karma is of the US conquerors who tried to destroy the Native American culture? big snip
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And no need for you Emily to move into projection! Anyway, yes, total brain integration, worthy goal, etc. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Share, no need to move into self-rightousness. Your mind is lying to you. You have not achieved brain integration. Accountability. Connection. Humility. Work on it. I'm leaving now, but I'll be back. Emily. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Emily, sometimes I'm aware of the incredible silence of FF and sometimes I'm not. That's fine with me but it was nice to hear David Deida comment on it because I have a lot of respect for him. BTW, it wasn't my statement about karma so no credibility was needed. It was Deida's. PS I'm replying like this because my 2 Message View replies never showed up anywhere! Emily wrote: Share, I'm glad that David is famous and has explored and marketed the path for men and women to spiritual sex. Whatever works and I'm glad that some of us and you, personally, benefited. I have nothing against him; I don't know him. I guess spiritual sex won't keep a marriage intact, necessarily. I'm sure that his comment on the incredible silence in FF helped validate for you that it *is*, in fact incredible and silent there in Fairfield. What struck me as funny was the manner in which you touted out his name to provide credibility for your statement on the karma of the Brits. I wonder what the karma is of the US conquerors who tried to destroy the Native American culture? big snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise
Thank you, Seraphita for supplying the specific context of the dance. Adds a layer of poignancy to the scene. One of my favorite tantric teachers, David Deida spoke about the karma the puritanical Brits incurred by their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. We have a traditionally trained Kathak performer in Fairfield, Wendy Stegall. She also leads a troupe of Bollywood dancers who perform at various events. I LOVE the colorful, graceful costumes! From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 10:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise It's traditional Kathak dancing. Saswati Sen is the dancer. She was trained in that Indian classical dance form, which is still performed in India today. The director wanted an authentic scene that would have matched the historical period in Lucknow - and wow did she deliver the goods. By the way, the worried glances of the emissary in that clip are because he had just learned that the (puritanical) British were about to annex the principality and bring that colourful, long-established culture to a close. Criminal. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Exquisite. I couldn't take my eyes off her hands. Those movements are all choreographed, traditional, right? There's no improvisation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The film The Chess Players, directed by Satyajit Ray, includes a dance sequence - an authentic Kathak dance (Hindi: à ¤Âà ¤¥à ¤Â) one of the eight forms of Indian classical dance. One of my favourite dance scenes. I hope you enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/maypvuy
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Ann, the Brits karma according to Deida, was to continue being puritanical about sexuality with all the misery that such an attitude causes. Ann wrote: Yes? What karma did they incur exactly? Tell us more specifically what things occurred to the Brits karmically that were the result of their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. I am truly interested despite my doubts that anyone can clearly state a cause and effect between events other than if you jump off a diving board you are bound to hit the ground sooner or later. PS Earlier I replied twice from Message View but neither reply showed up anywhere! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Thank you, Seraphita for supplying the specific context of the dance. Adds a layer of poignancy to the scene. One of my favorite tantric teachers, David Deida spoke about the karma the puritanical Brits incurred by their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. We have a traditionally trained Kathak performer in Fairfield, Wendy Stegall. She also leads a troupe of Bollywood dancers who perform at various events. I LOVE the colorful, graceful costumes! From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 10:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise It's traditional Kathak dancing. Saswati Sen is the dancer. She was trained in that Indian classical dance form, which is still performed in India today. The director wanted an authentic scene that would have matched the historical period in Lucknow - and wow did she deliver the goods. By the way, the worried glances of the emissary in that clip are because he had just learned that the (puritanical) British were about to annex the principality and bring that colourful, long-established culture to a close. Criminal. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Exquisite. I couldn't take my eyes off her hands. Those movements are all choreographed, traditional, right? There's no improvisation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The film The Chess Players, directed by Satyajit Ray, includes a dance sequence - an authentic Kathak dance (Hindi: à ¤Âà ¤¥à ¤Â) one of the eight forms of Indian classical dance. One of my favourite dance scenes. I hope you enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/maypvuy
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Well Emily, if everybody in Funny Farm Lounge was serious all the time, how boring that would be! From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise LOL Share, LOL. You do me a service with all the nonsense you write Share. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, the Brits karma according to Deida, was to continue being puritanical about sexuality with all the misery that such an attitude causes. Ann wrote: Yes? What karma did they incur exactly? Tell us more specifically what things occurred to the Brits karmically that were the result of their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. I am truly interested despite my doubts that anyone can clearly state a cause and effect between events other than if you jump off a diving board you are bound to hit the ground sooner or later. PS Earlier I replied twice from Message View but neither reply showed up anywhere! From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise Thank you, Seraphita for supplying the specific context of the dance. Adds a layer of poignancy to the scene. One of my favorite tantric teachers, David Deida spoke about the karma the puritanical Brits incurred by their repression of all that was natural and healthy in the Indian culture. We have a traditionally trained Kathak performer in Fairfield, Wendy Stegall. She also leads a troupe of Bollywood dancers who perform at various events. I LOVE the colorful, graceful costumes! From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 10:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise It's traditional Kathak dancing. Saswati Sen is the dancer. She was trained in that Indian classical dance form, which is still performed in India today. The director wanted an authentic scene that would have matched the historical period in Lucknow - and wow did she deliver the goods. By the way, the worried glances of the emissary in that clip are because he had just learned that the (puritanical) British were about to annex the principality and bring that colourful, long-established culture to a close. Criminal. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Exquisite. I couldn't take my eyes off her hands. Those movements are all choreographed, traditional, right? There's no improvisation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The film The Chess Players, directed by Satyajit Ray, includes a dance sequence - an authentic Kathak dance (Hindi: à äÃà äåà äÃ) one of the eight forms of Indian classical dance. One of my favourite dance scenes. I hope you enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/maypvuy
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Ann, their karma was to have a puritanical, unhealthy attitude towards sexuality and all the misery that such an attitude causes.
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I am not so sure the Brits are that Puritanical actually. The Victorian era Brits of a certain class might have pretended they were. I think the British are some of the most charmingly twisted people around - sexually and otherwise.
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Ann, they were puritanical but more importantly, in this karmic context, they attempted to force their puritanical beliefs, etc. on the people of India. Any use of force I think carries greater karmic impact: what goes around, comes around. I'm sure all conquerors attempt to squash the culture of those they conquer so the Brits are not the only ones guilty of this. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A dance scene that always transports me to paradise --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, their karma was to have a puritanical, unhealthy attitude towards sexuality and all the misery that such an attitude causes. But what comes first? Are they puritanical and then squelch the natural and healthy sexual natures of the people of India (!) and then become subject to the karma of having done that by becoming subject to a puritanical, unhealthy attitude towards sexuality? This sounds like an endless loop. Help, I'm confused.
