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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor So come on some of you Livingston Manor guys, What was infamous about Wally? Wally was and probably still is a mischievous, fun-loving character. I can think of two stories, one of which I witnessed personally, the other of which he told me, in which he was riding a motorcycle and managed to elude cops who were chasing him. This is while he was already a “Governor”. I was at a party once where we spent the whole evening telling hilarious Wally stories. Maharishi loved him. _ From: Steve Sundur mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> " mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game. I am more of a meat and potatoes type player with a lot of slams. my serve is decent, but nothing too special. and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games. I am the current champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. (since it started) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com> " mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, and returned anything. Very rarely beat him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: how's your slam? do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam? or maybe you just play far back from the table? From: "doctordumbass@... <mailto:doctordumbass@...> " mailto:doctordumbass@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumbass@... <mailto:doctordumbass@...> " mailto:doctordumbass@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@... <mailto:s3raphita@...> " mailto:s3raphita@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about
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I have no first hand info about him. Or even second hand for that matter. Third hand I vaguely recall he was a "character" From: Michael Jackson To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor So come on some of you Livingston Manor guys, What was infamous about Wally? From: Steve Sundur To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game. I am more of a meat and potatoes type player with a lot of slams. my serve is decent, but nothing too special. and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games. I am the current champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. (since it started) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, and returned anything. Very rarely beat him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: how's your slam? do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam? or maybe you just play far back from the table? From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpfu
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So come on some of you Livingston Manor guys, What was infamous about Wally? From: Steve Sundur To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game. I am more of a meat and potatoes type player with a lot of slams. my serve is decent, but nothing too special. and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games. I am the current champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. (since it started) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, and returned anything. Very rarely beat him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: how's your slam? do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam? or maybe you just play far back from the table? From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >>>>leaves everythin
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it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game. I am more of a meat and potatoes type player with a lot of slams. my serve is decent, but nothing too special. and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games. I am the current champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. (since it started) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, and returned anything. Very rarely beat him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: how's your slam? do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam? or maybe you just play far back from the table? From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >>>>leaves everything. Story >>>>> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness
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how's your slam? do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam? or maybe you just play far back from the table? From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >>>leaves everything. Story >>>> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >>>> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >>>> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >>>> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >>>> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >>>> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >>>> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >>>> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >>>> him. >>> >>> >>>Turq writes; >>>Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course >>>leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants >>>complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or >>>less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was >>>such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never >>>occurred to me. We never -
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the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >>leaves everything. Story >>> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >>> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >>> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >>> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >>> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >>> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >>> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >>> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >>> him. >> >> >>Turq writes; >>Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course >>leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants >>complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or >>less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was >>such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never >>occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if >>something serious came up onone of our courses. We had no liability >>insurance, no doctorson call, and no list of what the course leaders should >>actually*do* if someone started "heavily unstressing," other than >>theaforementioned "more (or less) TM and pranayma." Maybe more asanas. And >>definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata TM checking can cure anything. In >>retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.But we had all bought >>into that core dogma thang -- "TM is100% life-supporting." We didn't have to plan for negativesituations becau
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yea, so what? From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >leaves everything. Story >> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >> him. > > >Turq writes; >Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course leaders >of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants complain of >-- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. And >I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was such a TB that >the implications of how we were runningthose courses never occurred to me. We >never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if something serious came up >onone of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctorson call, and no >list of what the course leaders should actually*do* if someone started >"heavily unstressing," other than theaforementioned "more (or less) TM and >pranayma." Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata >TM checking can cure anything. In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and >dangerously so.But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- "TM is100% >life-supporting." We didn't have to plan for negativesituations because by definition on a course on which every-one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspectthat those doing so didn't spend much time on long roundingcourses, and by "long" I mean in excess of six weeks. Thoselong courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medicalinsurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team ofreliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM course nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just wouldn't allow it. And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.Maybe a checking. >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick): > >> >>> Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story >> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >> him.Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course >> leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants >> complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or >> less) TM. And I understand. Back when I work
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
But Seraphita, a lot of those people were thrilled to be first with the sidhis, etc. From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >leaves everything. Story >> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >> him. > > >Turq writes; > >Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect >as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- >ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it >can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. > >And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office, >I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running >those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave >any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on >one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors >on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually >*do* if someone started "heavily unstressing," other than the >aforementioned "more (or less) TM and pranayma." Maybe >more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that >a TM checking can cure anything. > >In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so. >But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- "TM is >100% life-supporting." We didn't have to plan for negative >situations because by definition on a course on which every- >one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen. > >I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect >that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding >courses, and by "long" I mean in excess of six weeks. Those >long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical >insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of >reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* >for those things, because by definition on a TM course >nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just >wouldn't allow it. > >And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever >it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM. >Maybe a checking. > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick): > >> >>> Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story >> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >> him. > >Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect >as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- >ever course participants co
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
he probably didn't wear a Buddhist stupa shaped hat on his six month course, that was the problem right there. From: Richard J. Williams To: Richard J. Williams Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor It's like Mitch went to TTC and taught TM for a few years and then decided to try and become a 'Governor of the Age of Enlightenment', so he took off from his family and job for six months to go over to Switzerland. That doesn't sound like someone who has a real grasp on reality to me. So, what is he doing talking like a Buddhist on Tricycle, when he just rejected a whole yoga program based on Buddhist teachings? Go figure. On 9/20/2013 7:05 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: > Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life >evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are >cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a >psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in >life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him. >-Buck > > >--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with >side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side >efects! > > > > > > > > From: turquoiseb >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> > >>> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for >>> > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more >>> > asanas or something? >>> >>> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no >>> nothing in particular was really done. On larger >>> courses, they might have been referred to one of >>> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. >>> >>> But it was clear that no real effort was made to >>> help any of these people who were twitching >>> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked >>> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or >>> worse, because the prevailing myth was always >>> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing >>> to go up against that and add, "...for many >>> people, but for others, it may cause problems." >>> >>> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this >>> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they >>> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU >>> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We >>> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." >> >>Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential >>conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some >>time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, >>arranging all the weekend and longer residence >>courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's >>core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and >>that it could not *possibly* have any negative >>effects. Simply can't happen. >> >>On the other hand, as part of what we did for the >>TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and >>course participants
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Oh I understand now - you didn't say spaciness, you just said side effects - but I understand now what you meant. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor Yes, as I believe I said, some people have had very serious side effects. However, my point was that the "spaciness" during rounding was generally not serious, but the rules about not leaving the facility or making important decisions during the course would have made good sense even if that was the complete extent of the side effects. IOW, the rules didn't constitute a "conundrum." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I'm not so sure that's true - for me personally the unstressing was something that passed by the time of the end of each course, but I have heard of plenty of people who had problems long after the courses were over, plus the people who were not helped by course leaders and were either kicked off or left on their own. From: "authfriend@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:05 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor Except that the side effects Barry mentions aren't harmful as long as you follow the course rules. Tthose side effects have dissipated by the end of the course (because the rounding has been tapered down), and all that's left are the beneficial effects. FWIW, Barry's griped about this dozens of times here (and the "side effects" meme is by no means original with him). He makes a huge deal out of very little, IMHO. I mean, even exercising for fitness has side effects. Of course, you can also be seriously injured during exercise, and apparently some folks have had serious side effects as a result of their TM practice. But that isn't what Barry is fuming about here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side efects! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> > >>> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for >>> > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more >>> > asanas or something? >>> >>> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no >>> nothing in particular was really done. On larger >>> courses, they might have been referred to one of >>> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. >>> >>> But it was clear that no real effort was made to >>> help any of these people who were twitching >>> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked >>> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or >>> worse, because the prevailing myth was always >>> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing >>> to go up against that and add, "...for many >>> people, but for others, it may cause problems." >>> >>> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this >>> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they >>> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU >>> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We >>> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." >> >>Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential >>conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some >>time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, >>arranging all the weekend and longer residence >>courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's >>core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and >>that it could not *possibly* have any negative >>effects. Simply can't happen. >> >>On the other hand, as part of what we did for the >>TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and >>course participants that while they were on the >>course, they could not drive, they could not even >>leave the facility, on longer courses they could >>not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless >>they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that >>they definitely shouldn't make any important >>decisions while they were on the course because >>their judgment might be impaired. >> >>If a drug had that many admitted side effects, >>you wouldn't be able to sell it without a >>prescription. >> >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
It's like Mitch went to TTC and taught TM for a few years and then decided to try and become a 'Governor of the Age of Enlightenment', so he took off from his family and job for six months to go over to Switzerland. That doesn't sound like someone who has a real grasp on reality to me. So, what is he doing talking like a Buddhist on Tricycle, when he just rejected a whole yoga program based on Buddhist teachings? Go figure. On 9/20/2013 7:05 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him.* *-Buck * --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side efects! *From:* turquoiseb *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > So during the course nothing substantive was done for > > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more > > asanas or something? > > Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no > nothing in particular was really done. On larger > courses, they might have been referred to one of > the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. > > But it was clear that no real effort was made to > help any of these people who were twitching > uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked > for all the world like Tourette syndrome or > worse, because the prevailing myth was always > "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing > to go up against that and add, "...for many > people, but for others, it may cause problems." > > Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this > commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they > were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU > doing wrong that this is happening to you? We > all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, arranging all the weekend and longer residence courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and that it could not *possibly* have any negative effects. Simply can't happen. On the other hand, as part of what we did for the TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and course participants that while they were on the course, they could not drive, they could not even leave the facility, on longer courses they could not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that they definitely shouldn't make any important decisions while they were on the course because their judgment might be impaired. If a drug had that many admitted side effects, you wouldn't be able to sell it without a prescription. .
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Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor
I'm not so sure that's true - for me personally the unstressing was something that passed by the time of the end of each course, but I have heard of plenty of people who had problems long after the courses were over, plus the people who were not helped by course leaders and were either kicked off or left on their own. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:05 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor Except that the side effects Barry mentions aren't harmful as long as you follow the course rules. Tthose side effects have dissipated by the end of the course (because the rounding has been tapered down), and all that's left are the beneficial effects. FWIW, Barry's griped about this dozens of times here (and the "side effects" meme is by no means original with him). He makes a huge deal out of very little, IMHO. I mean, even exercising for fitness has side effects. Of course, you can also be seriously injured during exercise, and apparently some folks have had serious side effects as a result of their TM practice. But that isn't what Barry is fuming about here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side efects! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: >> > >> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for >> > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more >> > asanas or something? >> >> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no >> nothing in particular was really done. On larger >> courses, they might have been referred to one of >> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. >> >> But it was clear that no real effort was made to >> help any of these people who were twitching >> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked >> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or >> worse, because the prevailing myth was always >> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing >> to go up against that and add, "...for many >> people, but for others, it may cause problems." >> >> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this >> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they >> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU >> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We >> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." > >Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential >conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some >time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, >arranging all the weekend and longer residence >courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's >core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and >that it could not *possibly* have any negative >effects. Simply can't happen. > >On the other hand, as part of what we did for the >TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and >course participants that while they were on the >course, they could not drive, they could not even >leave the facility, on longer courses they could >not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless >they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that >they definitely shouldn't make any important >decisions while they were on the course because >their judgment might be impaired. > >If a drug had that many admitted side effects, >you wouldn't be able to sell it without a >prescription. > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
In my case, good, logical, sound wisdom, saatvic, supported by all the laws of nature and keeps me in good stead with God (just using TM logic here) From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Interesting how when an intelligent and successful man says "TM was not for me, in fact it was really not for me." and I post his point of view, I am accused of cherry picking. Yet when the TMO parades some asshole like Russel Brand around yapping about how grand TM is (and look what a fine example of TM success Brand is) it is a sign of the Age of fucking Enlightenment. Of course I am cherry picking - I think TM is not all its cracked up to be, so I share things and people who share my point of view, same as others here do, except my posts in this case have some logic them, unlike the Oh let's praise raja luis when the sun comes up in the east! Its a sure sign of TM making to world a better place. If you are "accused" of something and it is true what does that make it? From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him. -Buck --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with >side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side >efects! > > > > > > > > From: turquoiseb >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> > >>> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for >>> > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more >>> > asanas or something? >>> >>> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no >>> nothing in particular was really done. On larger >>> courses, they might have been referred to one of >>> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. >>> >>> But it was clear that no real effort was made to >>> help any of these people who were twitching >>> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked >>> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or >>> worse, because the prevailing myth was always >>> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing >>> to go up against that and add, "...for many >>> people, but for others, it may cause problems." >>> >>> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this >>> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they >>> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU >>> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We >>> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." >> >>Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential >>conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some >>time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, >>arranging all the weekend and longer residence >>courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's >>core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and >>that it could not *possibly* have any negative >>effects. Simply can't happen. >> >>On the other hand, as part of what we did for the >>TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and >>course participants that while they were on the >>course, they could not drive, they could not even >>leave the facility, on longer courses they could >>not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless >>they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that >>they definitely shouldn't make any important >>decisions while they were on the course because >>their judgment might be impaired. >> >>If a drug had that many admitted side effects, >>you wouldn't be able to sell it without a >>prescription. >> >> > >
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that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side efects! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > So during the course nothing substantive was done for > > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more > > asanas or something? > > Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no > nothing in particular was really done. On larger > courses, they might have been referred to one of > the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. > > But it was clear that no real effort was made to > help any of these people who were twitching > uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked > for all the world like Tourette syndrome or > worse, because the prevailing myth was always > "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing > to go up against that and add, "...for many > people, but for others, it may cause problems." > > Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this > commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they > were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU > doing wrong that this is happening to you? We > all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, arranging all the weekend and longer residence courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and that it could not *possibly* have any negative effects. Simply can't happen. On the other hand, as part of what we did for the TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and course participants that while they were on the course, they could not drive, they could not even leave the facility, on longer courses they could not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that they definitely shouldn't make any important decisions while they were on the course because their judgment might be impaired. If a drug had that many admitted side effects, you wouldn't be able to sell it without a prescription.
