[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/27/06 6:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Hagelin shows up at local hang outs once in a while. I've even seen > > Rajas in > >> the bank, although that is rare. > >> > > > > With or without crown and robe, BTW? > > Without, but with an assistant in tow to do the actual banking. > Maybe they're dyslexic? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > it for what it is. > > > > Tom T: > > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the > word > > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. > They > > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met > > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to > > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff > > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless to > say > > I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just goes > to > > show you nothing has changed. Tom T > > You think that that would endear you to most organizations? To any organization that actually spoke the truth and valued it, yes. This was obviously not the case. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
on 3/27/06 6:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Hagelin shows up at local hang outs once in a while. I've even seen > Rajas in >> the bank, although that is rare. >> > > With or without crown and robe, BTW? Without, but with an assistant in tow to do the actual banking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then they wouldn't be honest. Wrong again, Sal. Try reading what I *wrote*. > > Sal > > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 6:19 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > An honest organization might well be pissed off if > > an employee demanded to be told the truth about what > > was going on. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
Then they wouldn't be honest. Sal On Mar 27, 2006, at 6:19 PM, authfriend wrote: An honest organization might well be pissed off if an employee demanded to be told the truth about what was going on.
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > wrote: > > > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > > it for what it is. > > > > > > Tom T: > > > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the > > word > > > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. > > They > > > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and > met > > > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad > to > > > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the > staff > > > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless > to > > say > > > I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just > goes > > to > > > show you nothing has changed. Tom T > > > > You think that that would endear you to most organizations? > > Most honest organisations, yes. An honest organization might well be pissed off if an employee demanded to be told the truth about what was going on. (If they then fired you for suggesting they were dishonest, they'd still be likely to pay you whatever they owed you, however.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > it for what it is. > > > > Tom T: > > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the > word > > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. > They > > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met > > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to > > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff > > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless to > say > > I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just goes > to > > show you nothing has changed. Tom T > > > > You think that that would endear you to most organizations? > Most honest organisations, yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > it for what it is. > > Tom T: > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the word > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. They > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless to say > I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just goes to > show you nothing has changed. Tom T > You think that that would endear you to most organizations? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/27/06 9:56 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >>> On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: > >>> > From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend > having the > campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who > amazingly > were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they > wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! > >> > >> Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations > >> yesterday and hung out and chatted with people. > > > > Just as a question, did Hagelin or any of the other > > high-mucky-mucks from the TMO get down and mingle > > with the Great Unwashed, or was it only the truly > > famous who did so? > > Hagelin shows up at local hang outs once in a while. I've even seen Rajas in > the bank, although that is rare. > With or without crown and robe, BTW? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > WOW what a kind loving response from me with beams in my eyes & thus > unwilling to cast a stone Ur way. > h-owe nc uf u 2 sy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
WOW what a kind loving response from me with beams in my eyes & thus unwilling to cast a stone Ur way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > well I see it's NOT Tom responding but another. My address is Wm Leed, 75 > Guilford Lane # 7 ,Wmsville ,NY., 14226-2526 four your snail mail & the twenty > to come to me. I also accept Canadian Dollars at par. four your information. > THANKS in advance Bill leed > Actually, I will up it to $50.00 if you would...no, wait, I'll up it to whatever it costs to send you back to grade school for a semester or two so you can learn some rudimentary grammar and spelling that even a 7-year-old could manage... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Y yes I could & will do so in future with YOU now with out the 20 HA! HA! HO! > I'm a man of my word. Here you go: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/newmoney/images/currency/big_bill_front.gif To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
well I see it's NOT Tom responding but another. My address is Wm Leed, 75 Guilford Lane # 7 ,Wmsville ,NY., 14226-2526 four your snail mail & the twenty to come to me. I also accept Canadian Dollars at par. four your information. THANKS in advance Bill leed To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > > > it for what it is. > > > > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB. > > > > I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you > > are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes > > instructions from the TMO and MMY. > > > > That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program > > and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO. > > That's actually a good point, and I agree with it. > > However, it should be obvious from a few people > here that you don't actually have to have any > position within the TM organization to be as > much of a True Believer as those who are. In > fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps* > to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi > to have never met him, or even seen him, except > on videotape. I suspect it works just the opposite: If you've never been around him, you haven't had a chance to get hooked on the darshan and the whole mystique surrounding him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
Y yes I could & will do so in future with YOU now with out the 20 HA! HA! HO! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > WOW Tom I did not know U were fired I just knew U left as they were shutting > down What a disappointment now 4 me to just find this out from U. What did U > want them to relate as the truth etc. that got U fired & then NOT PROPERLY > PAID? I am in Buff if U care to phone 176-688-7686 as U most well know. > If I were to send you a $20.00 bill, WLeed3, do you think you could take a little more of your precious time to actually type out "you" instead of "U" and "for" instead of "4"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
WOW Tom I did not know U were fired I just knew U left as they were shutting down What a disappointment now 4 me to just find this out from U. What did U want them to relate as the truth etc. that got U fired & then NOT PROPERLY PAID? I am in Buff if U care to phone 176-688-7686 as U most well know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > > > it for what it is. > > > > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB. > > > > I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you > > are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes > > instructions from the TMO and MMY. > > > > That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program > > and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO. > > That's actually a good point, and I agree with it. > > However, it should be obvious from a few people > here that you don't actually have to have any > position within the TM organization to be as > much of a True Believer as those who are. In > fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps* > to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi > to have never met him, or even seen him, except > on videotape. > I would suspect though that the vast majority of people that practise the TM technique are NOT associated with the TMO or MMY in any way, shape or form. Although I have no statistics to rely on, we all know that hundreds of thousands of Americans -- as well as others across the world -- did indeed start TM in the '70s and '80s and at least some are still practising it. These people are NOT TBers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > > it for what it is. > > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB. > > I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you > are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes > instructions from the TMO and MMY. > > That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program > and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO. That's actually a good point, and I agree with it. However, it should be obvious from a few people here that you don't actually have to have any position within the TM organization to be as much of a True Believer as those who are. In fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps* to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi to have never met him, or even seen him, except on videotape. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
> > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > it for what it is. > > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB. I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes instructions from the TMO and MMY. That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
on 3/27/06 11:59 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > TorquiseB writes: snipped > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > it for what it is. > > Tom T: > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the word > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. They > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. What truth? What would they have told if they had accepted your suggestion? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
TorquiseB writes: snipped Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals it for what it is. Tom T: I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the word came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. They asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless to say I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just goes to show you nothing has changed. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
on 3/27/06 9:56 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>> On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: >>> From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! >> >> Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations >> yesterday and hung out and chatted with people. > > Just as a question, did Hagelin or any of the other > high-mucky-mucks from the TMO get down and mingle > with the Great Unwashed, or was it only the truly > famous who did so? Hagelin shows up at local hang outs once in a while. I've even seen Rajas in the bank, although that is rare. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: > > > >> From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend > >> having the > >> campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who > >> amazingly > >> were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they > >> wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! > > Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations > yesterday and hung out and chatted with people. Just as a question, did Hagelin or any of the other high-mucky-mucks from the TMO get down and mingle with the Great Unwashed, or was it only the truly famous who did so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > > > > said something to the effect that that these people were > > > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > > > > the image of the school before the wider world. > > > > > > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > > > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > > > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > > > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > > > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > > > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > > > > right away, of course.) > > > > > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > > > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > > > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > > > closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > > > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > > > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > > > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > > > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > > > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > > > body being straight. > > > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > > it for what it is. > > > > > > > Yeah, but on the day the accreditation team is supposed to arrive? > > That's deliberate sabatoge, pure and simple. It's not like MUM was > > alone in being homophobic during that time. > > (sorry if this post comes up 2x) > > But students putting up posters on campus for innumerable causes is > part of college life and is not considered a negative by an > accreditation team. In fact, college kids all walking around in suits > and ties and old dresses all talking the same "everything is bliss > here" words would be more cause for concern by the team than having > some poster protest by a minority group I think. I would have > recommended they first talk with some admin. rep about their concerns, > but they probably tried and were rebuffed and thus felt the need to > get political in their tactics. > > From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the > campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly > were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they > wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! > Sure. I watched the Q &A with the students and they appeared relaxed and willing to talk about *almost* anything, though they skirted the word "gay" when it came up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day) on 3/27/06 9:25 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations yesterday and hung out and chatted with people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! Next time the topic will be "Drugs." Just to round things out. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > wrote: > > > > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > > > said something to the effect that that these people were > > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > > > the image of the school before the wider world. > > > > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > > > right away, of course.) > > > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > > closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > > body being straight. > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > it for what it is. > > > > Yeah, but on the day the accreditation team is supposed to arrive? > That's deliberate sabatoge, pure and simple. It's not like MUM was > alone in being homophobic during that time. (sorry if this post comes up 2x) But students putting up posters on campus for innumerable causes is part of college life and is not considered a negative by an accreditation team. In fact, college kids all walking around in suits and ties and old dresses all talking the same "everything is bliss here" words would be more cause for concern by the team than having some poster protest by a minority group I think. I would have recommended they first talk with some admin. rep about their concerns, but they probably tried and were rebuffed and thus felt the need to get political in their tactics. >From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > > said something to the effect that that these people were > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > > the image of the school before the wider world. > > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > > right away, of course.) > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > body being straight. > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > it for what it is. > Yeah, but on the day the accreditation team is supposed to arrive? That's deliberate sabatoge, pure and simple. It's not like MUM was alone in being homophobic during that time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- markmeredith2002 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > > > I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters degree > > > at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when someone made > > > it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was in the > > > late 70s. > > > > Late 70s? That's surprising. I hadn't heard of any gay purges > > pre-bevan rule. > > I was too clueless to pick up any gay presence at MIU, > so it came as a shock one morning when some anonymous > contingent of gay students taped posters to the doors of > all the dormitories. (My memory is extremely hazy about > all this, so I welcome corrections.) > > Anyway, the 8-1/2" x 11" handwritten, photocopied papers > said, basically, "We're tired of being in the closet and > demand recognition." > > I can tell you, the whole thing made me extremely > uncomfortable at the time, and I wasn't alone. (I had > the usual hetero "ick factor" response that's come up > in this forum.) But to make matters worse, the posters > appeared on the day the North Central Accreditation > Review Board was coming to campus. (Maybe this was > the spring of 1980, because the school got accredited > just before I graduated.) It was as if the gays were crying > out to the wider world, "We're in prison here. Help!" I could > not understand it in the least. > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > said something to the effect that that these people were > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > the image of the school before the wider world. Actually, I tend to agree with that asessment regardless of any anti- gay bias at MUM. You don't make friends with people by attemptingto embaress them, and often your attempt backfires if you're trying to "out them" as bigots or whatever since while people might find the attitudes revealed repugnant, unless the attitude is WY outside the mainstream (which wasn't the case in 1980 in most places inthe USA), there will be a backlash of sympathy for the "victim" of the attack. > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > right away, of course.) > > I don't know what the status of gays is in the TMO today. > At MUM? Not terribly fun, I'm guessing. For the recerts? Bevan is outside the loop since he doesn't wear a crown. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > > > > said something to the effect that that these people were > > > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > > > > the image of the school before the wider world. > > > > > > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > > > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > > > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > > > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > > > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > > > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > > > > right away, of course.) > > > > > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > > > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > > > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > > > closet, > > > > Not from Day One. Maybe from Month Two or so. > > :-) Possibly so. It was already true with the IMS > and SRM groups in L.A., even before SIMS was ever > formed. SIMS is eternal, part of the Ved.:) I was thinking Squaw Valley 68, which you said you were there. It was not exactly a conformist camp. And pre 1970 the Berkeley Center -- while generally dignified, had some deifinte color. No one was turned away for lackof funds: "you can't afford the $35, ok what can you pay?"/. And things like, I remember one morning, Nat Goldhaber wandered down to the front desk, as a day of initiations was begining (he lived there) in his underwear, with cowboy boots on, yelling about this or that. Even first year mallorca was a bit loose. No ties, could grow breards. etc. I was shocked when I went to Fuiggi for rounding. Ties required, much more straight-laced. > > And I know a number of people who just did TM and remained > > quite counter-culture, counter-pretense. > > I'm sure there were many. But they didn't work > within the TM movement. I'm talking about what > it was like in the centers and the TM communities. > > > > followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > > > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > > > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > > > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > > > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > > > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > > > body being straight. > > > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > > it for what it is. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/26/06 9:47:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > body being straight. > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > it for what it is. > > Boy, did you hit the nail on the head! > +++ Sadly, it seems like same thing in government- if the facts don't fit the picture and, they are denied hard enough, they are supposed to go away. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
In a message dated 3/26/06 9:47:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forget the gay thing...what you have just describedis the entire history of the TM movement from DayOne -- pretense and hiding its normality in the closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-normal interiors of the closet are revealed. It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TMhaving so negative side effects, or about TM marriagesnever failing, or about no one in TM communities evercommitting suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-body being straight. Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was alwaysthe same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and revealsit for what it is. Boy, did you hit the nail on the head! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > wrote: > > > > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > > > said something to the effect that that these people were > > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > > > the image of the school before the wider world. > > > > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > > > right away, of course.) > > > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > > closet, > > Not from Day One. Maybe from Month Two or so. :-) Possibly so. It was already true with the IMS and SRM groups in L.A., even before SIMS was ever formed. > And I know a number of people who just did TM and remained > quite counter-culture, counter-pretense. I'm sure there were many. But they didn't work within the TM movement. I'm talking about what it was like in the centers and the TM communities. > > followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > > body being straight. > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > > it for what it is. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > > said something to the effect that that these people were > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > > the image of the school before the wider world. > > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > > right away, of course.) > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the > closet, Not from Day One. Maybe from Month Two or so. And I know a number of people who just did TM and remained quite counter-culture, counter-pretense. > followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- > body being straight. > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals > it for what it is. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan > said something to the effect that that these people were > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage > the image of the school before the wider world. > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down > right away, of course.) Forget the gay thing...what you have just described is the entire history of the TM movement from Day One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation when the closet door is thrown open and all-too- normal interiors of the closet are revealed. It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every- body being straight. Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals it for what it is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)
--- markmeredith2002 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters degree > > at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when someone made > > it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was in the > > late 70s. > > Late 70s? That's surprising. I hadn't heard of any gay purges > pre-bevan rule. I was too clueless to pick up any gay presence at MIU, so it came as a shock one morning when some anonymous contingent of gay students taped posters to the doors of all the dormitories. (My memory is extremely hazy about all this, so I welcome corrections.) Anyway, the 8-1/2" x 11" handwritten, photocopied papers said, basically, "We're tired of being in the closet and demand recognition." I can tell you, the whole thing made me extremely uncomfortable at the time, and I wasn't alone. (I had the usual hetero "ick factor" response that's come up in this forum.) But to make matters worse, the posters appeared on the day the North Central Accreditation Review Board was coming to campus. (Maybe this was the spring of 1980, because the school got accredited just before I graduated.) It was as if the gays were crying out to the wider world, "We're in prison here. Help!" I could not understand it in the least. I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan said something to the effect that that these people were trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage the image of the school before the wider world. You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down right away, of course.) I don't know what the status of gays is in the TMO today. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
